And who will pay for all of these rights you promised FDR? That is the major question Mr wealth re-distributor. This one speech probably took away any incentive that a person may have had, to save, to care for, or to try to provide for himself. "Don't worry the government will take care of you" This has ruined millions of lives, just to be dependent on a monthly government check. Just enough to get by on. and don't forget.....Vote Democrat.
Franklin D.Roosevelt was stopped by the U.S. Supreme Court, starting on May 27, 1935. And again in 1936. He was so furious, that then he called them, " Those nine old men". He had the audacity to think that he could just add more judges to the court, so he could get his way on everything. Then he made the people turn in all of their gold, or they would be arrested. Unbelievable! This man and his policies only prolonged the great depression. We have a very similar situation today with Obama.
@TOPOFFMAN You lay claim that FDR was deceitful and prolonged the Great Depression. You use fact that FDR had to increase the number of justices, but you leave out the reasons. Your argument is greatly biased and filled with half truths with deceitful overtones.
1. The Great Depression (ie the economic crisis) was caused by greed from the rich and politicians that helped them.
So many people thought that Roosevelt was so great. He was just a power hungry tyrant. He was the first president that had the luxury of the radio and newsreels that brainwashed the people. My dad grew up in the depression, and he told me about the propaganda that they were told. And he told me that World War II got us out of the depression not FDR.
Amazing how generation after generation seethes in their genetic hatred of their fellow man. Now words like human rights, dignity, compassion are deemed Satanic. Both my parents grew uo during the Great Depression. They were dirt poor. The USA would have looked like post WWII Europe had it not been for Roosevelt. Sadly,eugenics is back, bigger & better than at that low point in World History.
FDR is the reason we are in all these problems. All his programs are what cause our problems now. Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac(bankrupt), Social Security(soon to be Bankrupt), FDIC(allows the bank to invest our money in whatever they want because who cares since they are insured). We have the rights to freedom. If someone is a lazy person, do they have the "RIGHT" to employment? They have the right to "seek" employment.
@killedmyfd3 Spare us the cato institute, heritage foundation, fox news fucking sermon you prick! FDR is the reason we got out of the great depression. FDR is the reason why there is a middle class in the United States. FDR is the reason we don't have child labor. Understand? Got it dicksucker? People like you should be dragged out to the street and shot with the koch brothers, cheney, rove, and the rest of the fucking traitors.
@Newenlightenmentnow spoken like a true Party member. it's people like you that are dragging this country down, and bringing the poor and middle class with you.
@ndgreen1 Really? Who Trippled the debt? Reagan or Jimmy Carter? Who ended stagflation? Reagan or Carter (Carter via his FED chairman Paul Volcker). Who brought the federal debt to 10 trillion dollars? Clinton or Bush? Yeah it was Bush wasn't it fucktard? Obama has continued Bush's fucktard policies such as our overseas war. It's you who are dragging down the middle class because you are the multinational corporations bitch who allows outsourcing. Die traitor!
@Newenlightenmentnow The ‘glorious proletariat struggle’ that your kind advocates has been the biggest driver of human misery since capitalism and libertarianism freed the serfs in the dark ages. Free markets have rescued untold billions from grinding poverty, while socialism has done its best to bring human achievement to a halt. You and your ideology are an utter failure. Freedom from government oppression is the answer!
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work…After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started…And an enormous debt to boot!” - Henry Morgenthau (Treasury Secretary under FDR after two terms under the New Deal)
bush was a terrible president, but obama has been worse. the reason this recession has lasted so long is because these policies don't WORK!!!
@northpal2 Fuck you! I wish Reagan had been successfully shot, then you fucktards wouldn't have undone years of prosperity. Bush and cheney should be hung by their fucking balls.
@northpal2 Oh, and you clearly have the qualifications to make that judgement. Like it or not, the FED or something similar is here to stay because monetary policy is impossible without a central bank. Clearly an Austrian blockhead whose never had econ 101, and thinks he can tell career economists with doctorates which economic policies are wise. Yeah, there's a reason why you're a burger flipper.
If the majority (Americans) of this country wasn't raised fearing socialism and government intervention in economic depressions, FDR's Second Bill of Rights would've been implemented long ago. Europe and Japan received most of the rights listed in these Bill of Rights that Americans today envy ie Right to Education, healthcare, a living wage,leisure, employment, etc. This is not about socialism being evil or unwritten entitlement. This is about basic human rights guaranted under intl law.
@aan3 its honestly quite sad how most nations in the world understand that poverty is a sin that society has to work hard to overcome. its sad that nations like Peru, Brazil, most of Europe, and now the Middle East, are about to surpass the US in terms of actually understanding, the points that FDR made over half a century ago. we got rich after WWII, we got complacent, greedy, and racism turned millions against the Democrats. we're reaping the whirlwind of our father's greed
man how I wish FDR was alive right now things are getting so out of hand. This man is a true American. He really had this country's best interests in his heart. God Bless FDR. if only he could help us now....
Or even LBJ...we need some democrats with balls who hang these hypocrit "free-marketeers".
It's just completely disgusting what these republicans fight for...why can't everyone see this.....It's just amazing that the republican party gets any votes other than the top 1%..
Wall street mobsters, politicians, elitist banksters (rich asshole dictatords) should all be punished under the Ricco Act for the crimminal acts they caused upon USA and the rest of the world economies. Now who agrees that the good of the country means jail time for them all like Michael Moore said.
Sometimes one needs to be scared. But of what and why? Why, for example, are we afraid of terrorists, but not of a health system that denies care? Not of a financial industry that not only blew up our economy, but now demands that we sacrifice the health care we need, sacrifice the worker solidarity we need, sacrifice Social Security (arguably the single greatest achievement of the Democratic Party), as we continue to pump more and more money into the hands of the financial extortionists.
Sometimes it's important to be scared. But you have to be a little bit discerning about who and why and what to do about it. Here's a rule of thumb: if the solution to your fear is empowering the people and the community, you may be on the right track. If the solution to your fear is giving up rights and freedoms and bombing people, you may be on the wrong track
@Tarn1968 Oh, so you're a Christian right ? Well thats nice.Giving to the poor means clothing and feeding people who are unable to do it themselves.It does not mean welfare money for drugs,cars,free lunch, sneakers.laptops,housing etc.and sitting around while doing nothing to help yourself at the same time forcing the government to steal from others.I like the fact that you 're a Christian but you have much to learn.May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ bless you.
@Tarn1968 "you're upset FDR had us fight against the Nazis rather than fight alongside the Nazis." Let me guess you're happy FDR took the side of Stalin and the Soviet Union who slaughtered thirty million Christians and put millions more of them in the Gulag rather than fight them.
@Tarn1968 How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest -- and poverty will come on you like a bandit and scarcity like an armed man. Proverbs 6:9-11
What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.
@Tarn1968 "You seem to have forgotten jesus kept the company of theives and prostitutes! He also encouraged people to pay their taxes. You really know NOTHING about Jesus." Yes Jesus did sit among sinners and advised them to "go and sin no more".However will you let me know where in scripture that he told people to pay their taxes?
@Tarn1968 My, My you are full of it period."For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10".Like I said there is a huge difference between the poor and needy and thief's and con artist who are lazy and want me to be a tax slave to support them.You are getting nowhere and people are on to bums and con artist like you.
@Tarn1968 First of all I never said I was a Christian. I don't attend a church. I don't judge people per say but do judge their stupid or dishonest behavior. You're a really funny person.You say I judge you, yet you've called me religious zealot ,Theocratic fascist and insinuated that I'm a sociopath who is nauseating who would have crucified Christ. If you want to see a judgmental person how about walking into the bathroom and looking in the mirror?
@Tarn1968 Nice try but it won't work. My prayers are with the people in Japan because they are a proud and self reliant people who really care for each other.The Japanese are hard working creative people who will come out of this disaster without asking for a handout.Call me all the names you want it won't work.You are a bum who is looking for a hand out.People like you are disgusting.I would and have helped the poor.However I can tell the difference between a lazy slob and a needy person.
@Tarn1968 "Jesus was a great man, butcapitalist Christians make me sick" You know what is even more sickening than those Christians? Atheist Communist welfare bums who try to make them fell guilty and pay outrageous taxes just because they don't want to be tax slaves so they can pay for people who are either to lazy or to dumb to earn their own way in life.Like Jesus said "Do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under theirfeet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
@Tarn1968 First of all I don't pigeon hole myself as "right wing" As far as Christ goes I never read anywhere in the bible that he was a fan of taxes or veterans for that matter."The whole 'worship Jesus or burn in Hell' crap was propaganda invented by men to control the masses through the use of fear.." Well it sure comes in handy for people like you when it's time to use the old Jesus was for helping the poor routine when hand out time comes around. Yeah raise taxes because Jesus said so.
@Tarn1968 Now I personally am an isolationist and believe that the US should remain out of international conflicts unless it explicitly affects the US. I apply this philosophy to many of the past conflicts such as Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. However the attack on Pearl Harbor was a direct attack on the US by a foreign nation, and therefore was justifiable that war would be declared on it. 9/11, however is different because it was done by non-nation-state actors, and not Afghanistan.
@Tarn1968 "Interesting how many of the right wingers who react to the poor and suffering with indifference, hostility or distain tend to be Christians"- I guess they forgot the core message of Jesus was to help the poor" Yeah helping the poor from the goodness of your heart on a voluntary basis not from crooks stealing from the money bag at the point of a gun.Remember Judas Iscariot worrying about the poor when he was keeping the money bag? Stealing and forcing taxes on people is not Christian.
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." Ben Franklin..... A government who gives you everything must first take everything away from you.Fuck FDR and the suckers who fell for that freedom from want welfare state bullshit.
That prick FDR along with Woodrow Wilson did more to destroy the sovereignty of the United States than any of the other presidents because they got the ball rolling for a one world government.I hope FDR and Woodrow Wilson are both burning in hell.
@coolbreezed Isn't all government action coercion? So why is one act more unjust than any other? Perhaps if FDR had defined "decent living" as a "livable wage" and "decent home" as "not a gutter" maybe that would better fit your tastes. But as far as rhetoric is concerned if you follow your logic through to its end you'd actually be advocating anarchism (i.e. real individual liberty) ‒ not this watered down idea of a republic which can only ever serve one pluralistic interest at a time.
@Xtraeme First, following a person's opinion to it's logical extreme is not a measure of the opinion. Its a fallacious argument tactic used to discredit the speaker without actually addressing any point. Nice try.
Second, maybe he does mean "living wage" or maybe he meant complete income equity ... only he knows. However, if BOR2 was passed, those terms would have been argued over for years. It would cause more harm than good
Finally, all government action is not coercive. You are wrong.
This Second Bill of RIghts is ridiculous and it is dangerously vague. How could anyone possibly define things such as "decent living", "decent home", "adequate medical care" or "good education"? Not to mention the massive injustice of forcing the successful among us to serve the unsuccessful through government coercion.
The first BOR doesn't impinge on individual liberty in ANY way. This second BOR forces others to do things. Very destructive to individual liberty.
this is the silliest shit ive ever seen if you want a job just for a job sake go dig a ditch and fill it back up..but real jobs are products of innovation and invention and entrepreneurship...to say someone has a right to health-care is stupid two ways first of all doctors provide a service a difficult stressful time consuming service who has a right to it does a man have a right to a womans body...second health care has to do with lifestyle choices like diet, stress, and ect..
@ajw21778 health care has nothing to do with a pill that should be last resort...this video appeals to emotions and ideals not common sense and reality
@TheoreticChaos "There will always be something to envy - if not just wealth, then friendship. A kiss, a smile. There will always be a rich and a poor - rich in talent, poor in talent; rich in love, poor in love."
@ajw21778 tell that to my dad who has a congenital joint disease and cant get the surgery to fix the disc that just slipped in his neck you ingrate.Say what you want about FDR, but he's right that a society as rich as ours owes its people basic things like health care, education, and employment. If there's enough money for war, hedge fund bonuses, supermax prisons, pharmaceutical giveaways, and bailouts, there's enough for the basics, despite your fanciful "common sense" fox news talking points.
@psbjr sorry about your dad...but how did we become rich rule of law and understanding what drives human action and it aint altruism...its the ability to benefit according to the work he puts in and not from someone from up on high dictating what my work is worth..
@ajw21778 .and trust me im no wallstreet advocate either but the reason we are in these difficulties is because we had to much faith in government officials which caused us to become apathetic as if bureaucrats are not subject to the same human frailties as corporate and wallstreet heads...as long as people are dependent nand organize their lives with the thinking that economic realities of the day will be the same tomorrow and you don t prepare and learn some economic basics...you do the math
@psbjr there's not enough money for any of those things, those things were mistakes made by both sides. You should remember that the government doesn't have any money of its own. its all borrowed or taken. Either you give your money to the government and have them give you no choice with how to spend it, or you keep your money and use it to buy a insurance plan for yourself, where you have options. If you see it as 'free' healthcare, it may be that you're just not paying for it.
@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag So I guess your computer is imaginary. If it weren't for capitalism it would either cost a fortune or never be sold as a consumer product at all. Capitalism is simply the trading of goods for other goods. Corporatism, or crony capitalism, is simply the lobbying of government to extend its power to hurt competition. That can absolutely be avoided if we stop government from trying to regulate everything. regulation = incentive to lobby = more corporate power.
The greatest president who ever lived. And despite how much conservatives hate to admit it, socialism got this country through the depression, and through the war. The private sector was virtually non-existent, and the government had to step in and essentially completely take over. When the shit hits the fan in the private sector, the government must intervene with its safety net.
@DevoutSkeptic The great depression was the first depression to see such huge spending from the government to 'stabilize' the economy; it lasted 8 years. Previous depressions where there was no or very little government involvement lasted a year or less. Depressions are actually good things. They are indicators of bad investment trends. If they are padded or prevented the bad investment trends continue and get worse. That is why the great depression lasted so long, among other things.
@seanmartvt09 No, Depressions don't happen regularly you're thinking of recessions. We were literally on the brink of anarchy when the Great Depression hit. There's no way we would just bounce back by waiting. There was 25% unemployment, and Europe was about to be hit with the bloodiest war in human history. The private sector would've never been able recuperate on its own. They kept laying-off people which in turn lead to fewer people buying their products, which lead to more lay-offs, etc.
@DevoutSkeptic Yes, totally true, depressions start as recessions, I meant to say recessions. The great depression did not start with 25% unemployment. In 1930 it was 8% in 1931 it was %15 in 1932 it was 23% and finally in 1933 it was 25%. In 1929 after the crash, government revenue dropped because of lower economic activity. Hoover raised taxes. In 1930, the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act raised the cost of imports. These are a few key points that prolonged the depression and made it worse.
His rhetoric is aimed to persuade those that have no concept of "rights" at all. Imagine if this nonsense actually came into legislation: a "right" to a decent home? Provided by whom? Blank out. Who would do the construction if the financial incentive provided by capitalism is obliterated? This speech reaches out on a fundamental level to the worst in people, to think they're entitled to something that is produced by the labor of others without offering a value in return.
@SomeUsefulIdiot Decent doesn't imply luxurious... Decent implies just barely more than shit. Everyone should be entitled to some place to live other than the street. It shouldn't be in anyway good at all, but still more than a cardboard box. It's the same idea with unemployment benefits, they're small, but they're merely designed to help you, not to replace your income. You still have an incentive to get work, because your living conditions suck...
@SomeUsefulIdiot The concept of the safety net allows for society to give small contributions to those who are in dire need. In return, once the needy get back on their feet, their labor will be used to contribute to those who are still in dire need. This is far from communism, it's just a way to separate us from primitive Middle-Aged society, where people would starve, and contribute more crime as a result. The safety net is both moral and practical.
We disagree philosophically then. I don't believe its ever moral or practical to confiscate wealth from the productive to redistribute to others simply because they need it, or rely on me to provide it. I have no moral obligation to provide for anyone but myself, so it's not the state's job to "provide" (steal) my property or wealth to help others. What it boils down to is that you support the state and I don't.
I think most people in jail should be released. The "crime" of possessing/distributing drugs is none of the governments business. People should be allowed to consume whatever they want, even if it harms them. I don't do drugs personally, but I don't object to their use by others.
@SomeUsefulIdiot If you think that people can live in a fair and civilized society without a government, then you're insane... People have no interest in respecting other people's rights, a government is necessary to protect such rights.
Government is an institutionalized monopoly on the use of force. They don't protect rights, they take them.
What I'm arguing is that the market could provide for personal defense and rectification of justice, not government courts and involuntary servitude in the form of jury duty.
@SomeUsefulIdiot Yeah and who would interpret right and wrong? And what would happen to poor people? Would they all get fucked because they can't afford protection? And wouldn't the wealthiest people become the new monopoly of force by simply forcing all poorer people to endure their rule, or get killed by their mercenaries? Atleast we vote for our government's policies...
There would be a market for mediation firms. Only those that mediated justice consistently would stay in business. No, most would be able to afford it, just like most insurance policies today. And those who still can't afford it would either be taken care of for free (similar to lawyers doing cases pro-bono) or go without it.
@SomeUsefulIdiot Yeah and who would have the authority to dictate what was nationally acceptable or inacceptable? Because all businesses are purely interested in their profits and not in justice, a legal system could not exist, nor could laws be created due to the absence of a non-profit third-party member.
You sound like a smart guy, not a typical youtube commenter, so I think we just disagree philosophically. If you want to know more about how a society can exist without the force of government, I recommend reading Robert Murphy's "Chaos Theory" or another book who I forgot the author of called "The Market for Liberty". Have a good one man
@SomeUsefulIdiot I'll extend the same to you. I'm a social libertarian, and I don't usually debate economics that much, but rather social issues such as Freedom of Speech, (which coincidentally I'm debating with someone over the Supreme Court decision over the WBC; I'm arguing in favor of the decision). I believe in a mixed economy and a republican form of government. I mostly agree with the US government, but I think several changes could be made to the structure.
On another point, socialism didn't get the U.S. through the great depression, nor did the New Deal. What allowed for economic growth was the removal of price ceilings/floors and economic restrictions which allowed citizens to use their money pursuing their own self-interest, not the war effort.
This is the point when you're out of intellectual ammunition, and result to evasion. I've yet to find an advocate of socialism that can fight with facts.
I quote, "...socialism got this country through the depression,"
Sounds like it to me, but I'll take your word for it and say that was an exception.
I think taxation should be voluntary; nobody, not even a group of individuals called the government has the right to forcefully take your money. The private sector can take care of courts, police, and fire department.
@SomeUsefulIdiot, tell me what citizens had money during the Great Depression? Why did people allow the nation to sink so low? How many price restrictions did Herbert Hoover put in place? How many did Roosevelt put in place? It seems to me that you are really suggesting that the Great Depression didn't end till the 1980s when Reagan became President and restrictions were removed.
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
If banks stopped funding wars there would be peace. If banks helped the public instead of the corporations, there would be more wealth in the 3rd class. If there would be no stock market we would not be sitting in this mess. If there would be no capitalists/communists/kings/queens/ corporations/rulers there would be no wars, poverty, theft of the treasury, inequality, educations cuts, lack of healthcare, illegal alien invasion, slavery, and no oil spills.
@v44forme1 thats a long winded way of saying if there were no assholes there would be peace. There will always be assholes no matter what system you have. The best thing you can do is create a system where the incentives point towards trade instead of stealing from one another (like humans did for most of history)
@erniegasgnon The reason why his plans were thwarted was not because of the right, but because of the Supreme Court. The Constitution beat FDR. Not the right. If you want to stop chasing the carrot then use your intellectual firepower to create a good or service of your own. If not then keep bitching about thoes who are smarter than you and exercised better skill and industry. Jelousy never gets you anywhere.
@CWSmith1982 He was thwarted only in that his programs were shut down by the pro-Hitler Wall St. corporations using lawsuits brought before the supreme court. A supreme court whose pro Wall St. mentality resembled the 1860's Tawney SP and their defense of the spread of slavery.
@FDRChannel Pro wall street? You mean pro constitution? The constitution makes socialism, redistribution of wealth, and collectivism impossible. Unless you believe it is an "evolving" document. In that case, it is no law at all. FDR had such a disreguard to the constitution that he openly tried to stack the courts. It also didnt help that his close advisor "Harry Hopkins" who was an architect of the new deal, was descovered as soviet spy years later through the venona papers. Funny huh?
@CWSmith1982 JPMorgan, the DuPonts, and other Wall St. icons were all enthusiastic promoters and financiers of Hitler and Mussolini at the same time they financed para-military groups like the Liberty Lobby to use the supreme court to shut down the New Deal, so more people suffered because of Wall St. The Constititution specifies no specific number of SC judges and the amount on the bench has changed over the years, so the argument was false.
@FDRChannel What else do they have in common? They are all damn near monopolies. You see, in the effort to create more regulations on business the government actually guarenteed the monompolies free of competition. It is easier to undergo regulation for an allready established company than it is to start a new one. FDR's court packing scheme is beyond debate. Article one section 8 is what held FDR back. NEVER BEFORE HAS THE GOVERNMENT GONE OUTSIDE THE ARTICLE until FDR's court packing scheme.
@CWSmith1982 Read the damn Constitution. No provisions are given for a specific number of judges. The number of members that have sat on the bench have varied over time, so the issue was used by FDR's opposition in a typical insane way, ignoring the suffering of the people for political points. But your thinking is typical of your average Liberal Darwinist.
@FDRChannel It doesent matter. He wanted to stack the court with 15 judges so that he could nominate 6 additional judges that will vote against the constitution. I'm not challenging the constitutionality of congress voting to do so. I'm showing you the rason why he advocated for it. This is historical fact that is beyond descussion. Your statement does nothing to refute that FDR wanted activist judges on the bench. Ask any historian. Look at fireside chat #9. Its irrefutable!
@CWSmith1982 I know. Truth doesn't matter to you. It didn't matter that he was frustrated that a bunch of pro-NAZI bankers that had blown out the banking system were using the Supreme Court to stop him from carrying out the defense of the general welfare, the main principle of the Constitution.
If only Roosevelt lived. Today what we have is a bunch of greedy bastards running our government and corporations. in my opinion these people would be better off dead.
I'd pay the higher price to live in a country with pride and spirit both in the family and work place.
Today our corporations run the country by there lobbyist. Is this what you jerks really want. That video I just saw above this post makes me feel ashamed to be an American Today. Thanks assholes for ruining my country
@thecomputergeniu1000 Easy fix! Go back in time and reverse the bastardization of article one section 8 of the constitution set fourth by FDR! Then you will have neither corperate nor individual welfare and this country and its constitution could go back to the origional way it was intended to function.
@Aunk123 Socialist policy's do nothing but enslave the minds and lobours of men for the collective. If I exist, I have the right to my thoughts, my actions produced by them, and the property gained by my actions. Adopting policies like FDR's New Deal and Social Security have done more to enslave americans than help them. Unless you think debt=freedom.
@FDRChannel Funny. And I thought Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler (National SOCIALIST LABOR Party), Pol Pot, and Kim Jong IL, were the mass murderers. But no. According to you its the very people that employ the worlds workers. The only difference is that if you dont comply with one you get fired and if you dont comply with the other you lose all liberty whatsoever. I will take my chances in the free market and steer clear of the reeducation camps.
@CWSmith1982 Since when was slave labor "employing". The British Empires biggest product historically is OPIUM, just like they're running it today. Not only did the British Empire create Marx, they put Hilter in power, they ran the Russian Revolution, they sabotaged Sun Yat Sen, created and supported Mao, & supported Pol Pot. Worse you're fool enough to believe their insane economic theories based on characterizing humans as animals and retarded magic economics.
@FDRChannel Yip! Sure did. The leftest in the UK then are just like the leftest in the UK today. The history of all these collectivists nations speaks for themselvs. When you place equality over liberty you will have neither. When you place liberty over equality you will gain a great deal of both. Liberty cannot exist outside the free market. We are entitled to life liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness, not the (GUARENTEE) of happiness.
@CWSmith1982 Left and right describes the seating arrangement of the French Parliament during the 1790's. The way you're using it is worthless. Free trade as an economic doctrine, was written by SLAVE MONGERS AND DOPE PUSHERS who sneered at the concept of freedom and equality. Why the hell are you so dense to promote the policy of dope pushers.
@FDRChannel Simple. Any action deemed illegal isnt eactly free trade now is it? You can support import tarrifs is you want. But then again, the poor depend on cheap imports now dont they? It didnt work for Jefferson, it didnt work for the north during the civil war, nor has import tarrifs worked then after. Blocking trade only raises the prices of goods and services which make the poor poorer. Its a know fact. The importation slavery has been banned since 1808 and drug smuggleing is illegal.
@CWSmith1982 Wait a minute. Do you realize how insane your thinking is!? The old way of thinking was: lets raise the living standards of as many people as possible and force the rest of the world to catch up. Today, the insanity of pessimism precludes that we should lower everyones standard of living so we can afford cheap slave labor made crap. No wonder our country is bankrupt. No wonder we have retards like Bush and Obama as president.
@FDRChannel The principles of liberty never change. No one has the right to take property away from another or determine what people have the right to do with their property as long as ownership of such property takes no natural rights from anyone else.
@CWSmith1982 The British Empire has stolen the life, liberty, and property of the majority of the human race for centuries, and the funny thing is, you have adopted their bestial philosophy as your own. The very philosophy that the USA had a revolution against, and was revived by FDR.
people who are against FDR make the mistake of equating liberty = capitalism. They are not the same thing. In a democracy we can choose the kind of economic model we want, and what kind of capitalism we want.
Liberty has nothing to do with what kind of an economic model a society chooses. Cant believe I have to explain this.
@jimmydore Our constitution is baised off of individual negative liberty. Not collectivist positive liberty. If capitalism does not exist , liberty suffers. I would challenge you to name one economic method that shows otherwise. Government didnt choose capitalism. Individuals did in accordance with their freedom to associate or not associate with each other in respect to their own individual property. No government has the right to take such liberty away.
@CWSmith1982 I honestly dont even know what you area saying, and I am pretty sure you dont' either.
YOu are also making the mistake of thinking there is one form of capitalism. There is not one kind of capitalism, we get to choose what kind of capitalism we use in a free society.
@jimmydore Capitalism is a result of freedom. If I have the right to associate with others (or not) as I choose, and if I have the right to do with my property as I choose, capitalism will always exist.
@jimmydore I have the right to think, therefor I have the right to actions derived from my thought, therefor I have the right to turn my actions in to labor and get paid in accordence to an agreement with my employer who has the right or not to hire me, my labor is then turned in to capital, and my capital in to buying goods and services or investments. My thoughts, actions, labor, and capital are all my property. You cannot have liberty without capitalism.
@CWSmith1982@CWSmith1982 it is sad that you have such a narrow view of economics and liberty. Liberty is SOOOOOO much more than your overly-simplified VERSION of capitalism .
You remind me of that saying " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". It seems you know just enough to stay fully manipulated by corporate america.
ummm that's not true. what if the government could provide everything for everyone?
what if we got our power from solar and all our manufacturing was done by machines? what if people lived forever? what if you could upload your consciousness into full five sense virtual reality and create worlds on a whim?
@CWSmith1982 You're stupid. Property is theft. All wealth is social. Capitalism enslaves. Liberty is egalitarianism. Liberty is the co-existing of peace and freedom. With capitalism there cannot be peace, with capitalism there cannot be freedom. No one is free while others are oppressed. Same as with the state, we gotta scrap em both. Collectivism my friend, anti-authoritarian collectivism. A state and class free society, working together. That is the most free, and fair way possible.
@DxDxRamone it seems that lions tigers and bears didnt get the memo...in other words what you are talking about will never happen and after all these thousands of years it has never happened its not natural..furthermore wealth isn't measured just in money so for example if we all had the same amount of money some people would still be better off due to abilities attractiveness and so fourth...
@jimmydore and in that democracy 49% of the country just has to live in an economic system they didn't vote for. Mob rule does not equal liberty, which is what it sounds like you're implying.
@seanmartvt09 What you call "mob rule", the rest of the world calls "democracy" and living with the result of Free and Open Elections. Hope that helps.
ALl you need to provide me with is my freedom....idiots
tommyrgrs 2 weeks ago
A great man!!
greg4161 1 month ago
And who will pay for all of these rights you promised FDR? That is the major question Mr wealth re-distributor. This one speech probably took away any incentive that a person may have had, to save, to care for, or to try to provide for himself. "Don't worry the government will take care of you" This has ruined millions of lives, just to be dependent on a monthly government check. Just enough to get by on. and don't forget.....Vote Democrat.
TOPOFFMAN 5 months ago
Franklin D.Roosevelt was stopped by the U.S. Supreme Court, starting on May 27, 1935. And again in 1936. He was so furious, that then he called them, " Those nine old men". He had the audacity to think that he could just add more judges to the court, so he could get his way on everything. Then he made the people turn in all of their gold, or they would be arrested. Unbelievable! This man and his policies only prolonged the great depression. We have a very similar situation today with Obama.
TOPOFFMAN 5 months ago
@TOPOFFMAN You lay claim that FDR was deceitful and prolonged the Great Depression. You use fact that FDR had to increase the number of justices, but you leave out the reasons. Your argument is greatly biased and filled with half truths with deceitful overtones.
1. The Great Depression (ie the economic crisis) was caused by greed from the rich and politicians that helped them.
2. USA was rescued by the New Deal, not the war.
3. Rich hate the New Deal & Human Rights
4. Cycle of USA
SingerPhillips 4 months ago
@SingerPhillips No president has a right to unlimited power, under ANY circumstances.
TOPOFFMAN 4 months ago
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So many people thought that Roosevelt was so great. He was just a power hungry tyrant. He was the first president that had the luxury of the radio and newsreels that brainwashed the people. My dad grew up in the depression, and he told me about the propaganda that they were told. And he told me that World War II got us out of the depression not FDR.
TOPOFFMAN 5 months ago
Nice video quality
peacelord 5 months ago
Amazing how generation after generation seethes in their genetic hatred of their fellow man. Now words like human rights, dignity, compassion are deemed Satanic. Both my parents grew uo during the Great Depression. They were dirt poor. The USA would have looked like post WWII Europe had it not been for Roosevelt. Sadly,eugenics is back, bigger & better than at that low point in World History.
verbaud 6 months ago
FDR is the reason we are in all these problems. All his programs are what cause our problems now. Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac(bankrupt), Social Security(soon to be Bankrupt), FDIC(allows the bank to invest our money in whatever they want because who cares since they are insured). We have the rights to freedom. If someone is a lazy person, do they have the "RIGHT" to employment? They have the right to "seek" employment.
killedmyfd3 6 months ago
@killedmyfd3 Spare us the cato institute, heritage foundation, fox news fucking sermon you prick! FDR is the reason we got out of the great depression. FDR is the reason why there is a middle class in the United States. FDR is the reason we don't have child labor. Understand? Got it dicksucker? People like you should be dragged out to the street and shot with the koch brothers, cheney, rove, and the rest of the fucking traitors.
Newenlightenmentnow 6 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow spoken like a true Party member. it's people like you that are dragging this country down, and bringing the poor and middle class with you.
ndgreen1 5 months ago
@ndgreen1 Really? Who Trippled the debt? Reagan or Jimmy Carter? Who ended stagflation? Reagan or Carter (Carter via his FED chairman Paul Volcker). Who brought the federal debt to 10 trillion dollars? Clinton or Bush? Yeah it was Bush wasn't it fucktard? Obama has continued Bush's fucktard policies such as our overseas war. It's you who are dragging down the middle class because you are the multinational corporations bitch who allows outsourcing. Die traitor!
Newenlightenmentnow 5 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow Anything else bitch!? Got any more fox news propaganda for the audience you piece of subhuman scum?!
Newenlightenmentnow 5 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow The ‘glorious proletariat struggle’ that your kind advocates has been the biggest driver of human misery since capitalism and libertarianism freed the serfs in the dark ages. Free markets have rescued untold billions from grinding poverty, while socialism has done its best to bring human achievement to a halt. You and your ideology are an utter failure. Freedom from government oppression is the answer!
ndgreen1 5 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work…After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started…And an enormous debt to boot!” - Henry Morgenthau (Treasury Secretary under FDR after two terms under the New Deal)
bush was a terrible president, but obama has been worse. the reason this recession has lasted so long is because these policies don't WORK!!!
ndgreen1 5 months ago
I'm most def. not rich. .... I work a lot... and so does my partner.
Brandibb 6 months ago
i know for a fact that jesus was a progressive both social, economic, and foreign policy
KennyBare 7 months ago 3
@KennyBare You forgot "make-believe" in your list.
joiles01 6 months ago
put a funny hat and mustache on him and he sounds like uncle joe stalin. This traitor should have been hung 3 mos into his first term.
northpal2 7 months ago
@northpal2 Stalin murdered more of his countrymen than did Hitler. Sorry Human Dignity is against your Religion of Delusion.
verbaud 6 months ago
@verbaud Hitler did not murder his own country men, thats all jew propaganda.
northpal2 6 months ago
@northpal2 Fuck you! I wish Reagan had been successfully shot, then you fucktards wouldn't have undone years of prosperity. Bush and cheney should be hung by their fucking balls.
Newenlightenmentnow 6 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow get out of that jewdazed left/right 2 party bullshit. They are all traitors since wilson sold us out with the federal reserve.
northpal2 3 months ago
@northpal2 Oh, and you clearly have the qualifications to make that judgement. Like it or not, the FED or something similar is here to stay because monetary policy is impossible without a central bank. Clearly an Austrian blockhead whose never had econ 101, and thinks he can tell career economists with doctorates which economic policies are wise. Yeah, there's a reason why you're a burger flipper.
Newenlightenmentnow 3 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow "monetary policy is impossible without a central bank." - private or public ?
Thats what the burger flippers wish to know.
northpal2 3 months ago
And the problem happened when people started viewing these rights as things that should be just handed to them, and not gained through work.
Brandibb 7 months ago
Our nation's greatest president.
SJT9791 8 months ago 5
If the majority (Americans) of this country wasn't raised fearing socialism and government intervention in economic depressions, FDR's Second Bill of Rights would've been implemented long ago. Europe and Japan received most of the rights listed in these Bill of Rights that Americans today envy ie Right to Education, healthcare, a living wage,leisure, employment, etc. This is not about socialism being evil or unwritten entitlement. This is about basic human rights guaranted under intl law.
aan3 9 months ago 33
FDR and his ideas are why he kept us in the Depression for 12 years while Hitler had the depression over in 5 years.
killedmyfd3 6 months ago
@killedmyfd3 Are you praising hitler? Nazi scum!
Newenlightenmentnow 5 months ago
@aan3 its honestly quite sad how most nations in the world understand that poverty is a sin that society has to work hard to overcome. its sad that nations like Peru, Brazil, most of Europe, and now the Middle East, are about to surpass the US in terms of actually understanding, the points that FDR made over half a century ago. we got rich after WWII, we got complacent, greedy, and racism turned millions against the Democrats. we're reaping the whirlwind of our father's greed
dchris1990 5 months ago
@aan3 I totally agree with you... well said ... you definitely not a lazy thinker.
wwwddpstudioscom 4 months ago
@aan3
The problem is Hitler and the USSR creating the irrational fear of socialism.
Then you have republicans passing the biggest socialism bills in decades..Medicaid
Jaymz5555 2 months ago
man how I wish FDR was alive right now things are getting so out of hand. This man is a true American. He really had this country's best interests in his heart. God Bless FDR. if only he could help us now....
50calfrag 9 months ago 26
@50calfrag
Or even LBJ...we need some democrats with balls who hang these hypocrit "free-marketeers".
It's just completely disgusting what these republicans fight for...why can't everyone see this.....It's just amazing that the republican party gets any votes other than the top 1%..
Jaymz5555 2 months ago
@toothpicknatent i think its Canada ;)
dadadruma 9 months ago
Wall street mobsters, politicians, elitist banksters (rich asshole dictatords) should all be punished under the Ricco Act for the crimminal acts they caused upon USA and the rest of the world economies. Now who agrees that the good of the country means jail time for them all like Michael Moore said.
v44forme1 10 months ago
Sometimes one needs to be scared. But of what and why? Why, for example, are we afraid of terrorists, but not of a health system that denies care? Not of a financial industry that not only blew up our economy, but now demands that we sacrifice the health care we need, sacrifice the worker solidarity we need, sacrifice Social Security (arguably the single greatest achievement of the Democratic Party), as we continue to pump more and more money into the hands of the financial extortionists.
v44forme1 10 months ago
Sometimes it's important to be scared. But you have to be a little bit discerning about who and why and what to do about it. Here's a rule of thumb: if the solution to your fear is empowering the people and the community, you may be on the right track. If the solution to your fear is giving up rights and freedoms and bombing people, you may be on the wrong track
v44forme1 10 months ago
@Tarn1968 Oh, so you're a Christian right ? Well thats nice.Giving to the poor means clothing and feeding people who are unable to do it themselves.It does not mean welfare money for drugs,cars,free lunch, sneakers.laptops,housing etc.and sitting around while doing nothing to help yourself at the same time forcing the government to steal from others.I like the fact that you 're a Christian but you have much to learn.May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ bless you.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
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@Tarn1968 "you're upset FDR had us fight against the Nazis rather than fight alongside the Nazis." Let me guess you're happy FDR took the side of Stalin and the Soviet Union who slaughtered thirty million Christians and put millions more of them in the Gulag rather than fight them.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest -- and poverty will come on you like a bandit and scarcity like an armed man. Proverbs 6:9-11
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 James 4:1-3
What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
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@Tarn1968 "You seem to have forgotten jesus kept the company of theives and prostitutes! He also encouraged people to pay their taxes. You really know NOTHING about Jesus." Yes Jesus did sit among sinners and advised them to "go and sin no more".However will you let me know where in scripture that he told people to pay their taxes?
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 My, My you are full of it period."For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10".Like I said there is a huge difference between the poor and needy and thief's and con artist who are lazy and want me to be a tax slave to support them.You are getting nowhere and people are on to bums and con artist like you.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 First of all I never said I was a Christian. I don't attend a church. I don't judge people per say but do judge their stupid or dishonest behavior. You're a really funny person.You say I judge you, yet you've called me religious zealot ,Theocratic fascist and insinuated that I'm a sociopath who is nauseating who would have crucified Christ. If you want to see a judgmental person how about walking into the bathroom and looking in the mirror?
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 Nice try but it won't work. My prayers are with the people in Japan because they are a proud and self reliant people who really care for each other.The Japanese are hard working creative people who will come out of this disaster without asking for a handout.Call me all the names you want it won't work.You are a bum who is looking for a hand out.People like you are disgusting.I would and have helped the poor.However I can tell the difference between a lazy slob and a needy person.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 "Jesus was a great man, butcapitalist Christians make me sick" You know what is even more sickening than those Christians? Atheist Communist welfare bums who try to make them fell guilty and pay outrageous taxes just because they don't want to be tax slaves so they can pay for people who are either to lazy or to dumb to earn their own way in life.Like Jesus said "Do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under theirfeet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 First of all I don't pigeon hole myself as "right wing" As far as Christ goes I never read anywhere in the bible that he was a fan of taxes or veterans for that matter."The whole 'worship Jesus or burn in Hell' crap was propaganda invented by men to control the masses through the use of fear.." Well it sure comes in handy for people like you when it's time to use the old Jesus was for helping the poor routine when hand out time comes around. Yeah raise taxes because Jesus said so.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 Now I personally am an isolationist and believe that the US should remain out of international conflicts unless it explicitly affects the US. I apply this philosophy to many of the past conflicts such as Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. However the attack on Pearl Harbor was a direct attack on the US by a foreign nation, and therefore was justifiable that war would be declared on it. 9/11, however is different because it was done by non-nation-state actors, and not Afghanistan.
DevoutSkeptic 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 "Interesting how many of the right wingers who react to the poor and suffering with indifference, hostility or distain tend to be Christians"- I guess they forgot the core message of Jesus was to help the poor" Yeah helping the poor from the goodness of your heart on a voluntary basis not from crooks stealing from the money bag at the point of a gun.Remember Judas Iscariot worrying about the poor when he was keeping the money bag? Stealing and forcing taxes on people is not Christian.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." Ben Franklin..... A government who gives you everything must first take everything away from you.Fuck FDR and the suckers who fell for that freedom from want welfare state bullshit.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
That prick FDR along with Woodrow Wilson did more to destroy the sovereignty of the United States than any of the other presidents because they got the ball rolling for a one world government.I hope FDR and Woodrow Wilson are both burning in hell.
xxdonaldqxxx 11 months ago
@coolbreezed Isn't all government action coercion? So why is one act more unjust than any other? Perhaps if FDR had defined "decent living" as a "livable wage" and "decent home" as "not a gutter" maybe that would better fit your tastes. But as far as rhetoric is concerned if you follow your logic through to its end you'd actually be advocating anarchism (i.e. real individual liberty) ‒ not this watered down idea of a republic which can only ever serve one pluralistic interest at a time.
Xtraeme 1 year ago
@Xtraeme First, following a person's opinion to it's logical extreme is not a measure of the opinion. Its a fallacious argument tactic used to discredit the speaker without actually addressing any point. Nice try.
Second, maybe he does mean "living wage" or maybe he meant complete income equity ... only he knows. However, if BOR2 was passed, those terms would have been argued over for years. It would cause more harm than good
Finally, all government action is not coercive. You are wrong.
coolbreezed 1 year ago
This Second Bill of RIghts is ridiculous and it is dangerously vague. How could anyone possibly define things such as "decent living", "decent home", "adequate medical care" or "good education"? Not to mention the massive injustice of forcing the successful among us to serve the unsuccessful through government coercion.
The first BOR doesn't impinge on individual liberty in ANY way. This second BOR forces others to do things. Very destructive to individual liberty.
coolbreezed 1 year ago
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Xtraeme 1 year ago
@coolbreezed
it should also be noted that all of these 'rights' cost money. rights shouldn't / don't cost money.
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
this is the silliest shit ive ever seen if you want a job just for a job sake go dig a ditch and fill it back up..but real jobs are products of innovation and invention and entrepreneurship...to say someone has a right to health-care is stupid two ways first of all doctors provide a service a difficult stressful time consuming service who has a right to it does a man have a right to a womans body...second health care has to do with lifestyle choices like diet, stress, and ect..
ajw21778 1 year ago
@ajw21778 health care has nothing to do with a pill that should be last resort...this video appeals to emotions and ideals not common sense and reality
ajw21778 1 year ago
@ajw21778 lol@ you saying stress is a lifestyle choice. Clearly you don't understand anything about how the human mind works.
TheoreticChaos 1 year ago
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@TheoreticChaos so I guess you do...
ajw21778 1 year ago
@TheoreticChaos "There will always be something to envy - if not just wealth, then friendship. A kiss, a smile. There will always be a rich and a poor - rich in talent, poor in talent; rich in love, poor in love."
ajw21778 1 year ago
@ajw21778 tell that to my dad who has a congenital joint disease and cant get the surgery to fix the disc that just slipped in his neck you ingrate.Say what you want about FDR, but he's right that a society as rich as ours owes its people basic things like health care, education, and employment. If there's enough money for war, hedge fund bonuses, supermax prisons, pharmaceutical giveaways, and bailouts, there's enough for the basics, despite your fanciful "common sense" fox news talking points.
psbjr 1 year ago
@psbjr sorry about your dad...but how did we become rich rule of law and understanding what drives human action and it aint altruism...its the ability to benefit according to the work he puts in and not from someone from up on high dictating what my work is worth..
ajw21778 1 year ago
@ajw21778 .and trust me im no wallstreet advocate either but the reason we are in these difficulties is because we had to much faith in government officials which caused us to become apathetic as if bureaucrats are not subject to the same human frailties as corporate and wallstreet heads...as long as people are dependent nand organize their lives with the thinking that economic realities of the day will be the same tomorrow and you don t prepare and learn some economic basics...you do the math
ajw21778 1 year ago
@psbjr there's not enough money for any of those things, those things were mistakes made by both sides. You should remember that the government doesn't have any money of its own. its all borrowed or taken. Either you give your money to the government and have them give you no choice with how to spend it, or you keep your money and use it to buy a insurance plan for yourself, where you have options. If you see it as 'free' healthcare, it may be that you're just not paying for it.
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
Hey, conservatards:
THERES NO SUCH THING AS CAPITALISM. ONLY CORPORATISM (fascism)
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 1 year ago
@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag So I guess your computer is imaginary. If it weren't for capitalism it would either cost a fortune or never be sold as a consumer product at all. Capitalism is simply the trading of goods for other goods. Corporatism, or crony capitalism, is simply the lobbying of government to extend its power to hurt competition. That can absolutely be avoided if we stop government from trying to regulate everything. regulation = incentive to lobby = more corporate power.
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
The greatest president who ever lived. And despite how much conservatives hate to admit it, socialism got this country through the depression, and through the war. The private sector was virtually non-existent, and the government had to step in and essentially completely take over. When the shit hits the fan in the private sector, the government must intervene with its safety net.
DevoutSkeptic 1 year ago 9
@DevoutSkeptic The great depression was the first depression to see such huge spending from the government to 'stabilize' the economy; it lasted 8 years. Previous depressions where there was no or very little government involvement lasted a year or less. Depressions are actually good things. They are indicators of bad investment trends. If they are padded or prevented the bad investment trends continue and get worse. That is why the great depression lasted so long, among other things.
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
@seanmartvt09 No, Depressions don't happen regularly you're thinking of recessions. We were literally on the brink of anarchy when the Great Depression hit. There's no way we would just bounce back by waiting. There was 25% unemployment, and Europe was about to be hit with the bloodiest war in human history. The private sector would've never been able recuperate on its own. They kept laying-off people which in turn lead to fewer people buying their products, which lead to more lay-offs, etc.
DevoutSkeptic 11 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic Yes, totally true, depressions start as recessions, I meant to say recessions. The great depression did not start with 25% unemployment. In 1930 it was 8% in 1931 it was %15 in 1932 it was 23% and finally in 1933 it was 25%. In 1929 after the crash, government revenue dropped because of lower economic activity. Hoover raised taxes. In 1930, the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act raised the cost of imports. These are a few key points that prolonged the depression and made it worse.
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
@seanmartvt09 And yet Hoover's plan was to let the private sector fix itself...
DevoutSkeptic 11 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
His rhetoric is aimed to persuade those that have no concept of "rights" at all. Imagine if this nonsense actually came into legislation: a "right" to a decent home? Provided by whom? Blank out. Who would do the construction if the financial incentive provided by capitalism is obliterated? This speech reaches out on a fundamental level to the worst in people, to think they're entitled to something that is produced by the labor of others without offering a value in return.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago 2
@SomeUsefulIdiot Decent doesn't imply luxurious... Decent implies just barely more than shit. Everyone should be entitled to some place to live other than the street. It shouldn't be in anyway good at all, but still more than a cardboard box. It's the same idea with unemployment benefits, they're small, but they're merely designed to help you, not to replace your income. You still have an incentive to get work, because your living conditions suck...
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot The concept of the safety net allows for society to give small contributions to those who are in dire need. In return, once the needy get back on their feet, their labor will be used to contribute to those who are still in dire need. This is far from communism, it's just a way to separate us from primitive Middle-Aged society, where people would starve, and contribute more crime as a result. The safety net is both moral and practical.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
We disagree philosophically then. I don't believe its ever moral or practical to confiscate wealth from the productive to redistribute to others simply because they need it, or rely on me to provide it. I have no moral obligation to provide for anyone but myself, so it's not the state's job to "provide" (steal) my property or wealth to help others. What it boils down to is that you support the state and I don't.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot Well would you rather pay taxes to support people, or pay more taxes to jail more people?
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
I think most people in jail should be released. The "crime" of possessing/distributing drugs is none of the governments business. People should be allowed to consume whatever they want, even if it harms them. I don't do drugs personally, but I don't object to their use by others.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot You're free to rebel along with the anarcho-objectivists whenever you'd like.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
That's a good read. Glad I'm representing for the anarcho-capitalists and the Objectivists
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot It's funny, you sound like you're being sarcastic.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
nope
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot And thus you understand the hilarity of it.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
Not really.
Both groups mentioned have legit claims against the state. But it's no use trying to persuade or argue with an irrationalist.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot You call me irrationalist, and yet you see legitimacy in anarcho-capitalism...
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
What is illegitimate about anarcho-capitalism? Be specific, and I'll answer you
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot It's anarchism for one thing. And it's pure unregulated capitalism for another.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
Read Ayn Rand's "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal" and see if that changes your mind
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot If you think that people can live in a fair and civilized society without a government, then you're insane... People have no interest in respecting other people's rights, a government is necessary to protect such rights.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
Government is an institutionalized monopoly on the use of force. They don't protect rights, they take them.
What I'm arguing is that the market could provide for personal defense and rectification of justice, not government courts and involuntary servitude in the form of jury duty.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot Yeah and who would interpret right and wrong? And what would happen to poor people? Would they all get fucked because they can't afford protection? And wouldn't the wealthiest people become the new monopoly of force by simply forcing all poorer people to endure their rule, or get killed by their mercenaries? Atleast we vote for our government's policies...
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
There would be a market for mediation firms. Only those that mediated justice consistently would stay in business. No, most would be able to afford it, just like most insurance policies today. And those who still can't afford it would either be taken care of for free (similar to lawyers doing cases pro-bono) or go without it.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot Yeah and who would have the authority to dictate what was nationally acceptable or inacceptable? Because all businesses are purely interested in their profits and not in justice, a legal system could not exist, nor could laws be created due to the absence of a non-profit third-party member.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
You sound like a smart guy, not a typical youtube commenter, so I think we just disagree philosophically. If you want to know more about how a society can exist without the force of government, I recommend reading Robert Murphy's "Chaos Theory" or another book who I forgot the author of called "The Market for Liberty". Have a good one man
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot I'll extend the same to you. I'm a social libertarian, and I don't usually debate economics that much, but rather social issues such as Freedom of Speech, (which coincidentally I'm debating with someone over the Supreme Court decision over the WBC; I'm arguing in favor of the decision). I believe in a mixed economy and a republican form of government. I mostly agree with the US government, but I think several changes could be made to the structure.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
On another point, socialism didn't get the U.S. through the great depression, nor did the New Deal. What allowed for economic growth was the removal of price ceilings/floors and economic restrictions which allowed citizens to use their money pursuing their own self-interest, not the war effort.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago 2
@SomeUsefulIdiot You keep telling yourself that.
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
This is the point when you're out of intellectual ammunition, and result to evasion. I've yet to find an advocate of socialism that can fight with facts.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot I'm not an advocate of socialism...
DevoutSkeptic 10 months ago
@DevoutSkeptic
I quote, "...socialism got this country through the depression,"
Sounds like it to me, but I'll take your word for it and say that was an exception.
I think taxation should be voluntary; nobody, not even a group of individuals called the government has the right to forcefully take your money. The private sector can take care of courts, police, and fire department.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot, tell me what citizens had money during the Great Depression? Why did people allow the nation to sink so low? How many price restrictions did Herbert Hoover put in place? How many did Roosevelt put in place? It seems to me that you are really suggesting that the Great Depression didn't end till the 1980s when Reagan became President and restrictions were removed.
fjramirez 10 months ago
@fjramirez
Economic restrictions were removed after WW2, such as gas and food rationing
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
All of these rights spell security.
EPIC
TheAnonymouz 1 year ago
See crimminal Rothchilds
Or
Despotism
v44forme1 1 year ago
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"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
v44forme1 1 year ago
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"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
v44forme1 1 year ago
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"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
v44forme1 1 year ago
If banks stopped funding wars there would be peace. If banks helped the public instead of the corporations, there would be more wealth in the 3rd class. If there would be no stock market we would not be sitting in this mess. If there would be no capitalists/communists/kings/queens/ corporations/rulers there would be no wars, poverty, theft of the treasury, inequality, educations cuts, lack of healthcare, illegal alien invasion, slavery, and no oil spills.
v44forme1 1 year ago 3
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True individual freedom can not exist without
economic security, and independence.
Necessitous men are not free men.
People who are hungry.
People who are out of a job.
Are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
-FDR-Fire Side Chats, Bill Of Rights
Also see
Despotism
v44forme1 1 year ago
@v44forme1 thats a long winded way of saying if there were no assholes there would be peace. There will always be assholes no matter what system you have. The best thing you can do is create a system where the incentives point towards trade instead of stealing from one another (like humans did for most of history)
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
@v44forme1
If there was no stock market we'd still be in the stone age.
SomeUsefulIdiot 10 months ago
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v44forme1 1 year ago
@erniegasgnon The reason why his plans were thwarted was not because of the right, but because of the Supreme Court. The Constitution beat FDR. Not the right. If you want to stop chasing the carrot then use your intellectual firepower to create a good or service of your own. If not then keep bitching about thoes who are smarter than you and exercised better skill and industry. Jelousy never gets you anywhere.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 He was thwarted only in that his programs were shut down by the pro-Hitler Wall St. corporations using lawsuits brought before the supreme court. A supreme court whose pro Wall St. mentality resembled the 1860's Tawney SP and their defense of the spread of slavery.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel Pro wall street? You mean pro constitution? The constitution makes socialism, redistribution of wealth, and collectivism impossible. Unless you believe it is an "evolving" document. In that case, it is no law at all. FDR had such a disreguard to the constitution that he openly tried to stack the courts. It also didnt help that his close advisor "Harry Hopkins" who was an architect of the new deal, was descovered as soviet spy years later through the venona papers. Funny huh?
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 JPMorgan, the DuPonts, and other Wall St. icons were all enthusiastic promoters and financiers of Hitler and Mussolini at the same time they financed para-military groups like the Liberty Lobby to use the supreme court to shut down the New Deal, so more people suffered because of Wall St. The Constititution specifies no specific number of SC judges and the amount on the bench has changed over the years, so the argument was false.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel What else do they have in common? They are all damn near monopolies. You see, in the effort to create more regulations on business the government actually guarenteed the monompolies free of competition. It is easier to undergo regulation for an allready established company than it is to start a new one. FDR's court packing scheme is beyond debate. Article one section 8 is what held FDR back. NEVER BEFORE HAS THE GOVERNMENT GONE OUTSIDE THE ARTICLE until FDR's court packing scheme.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Read the damn Constitution. No provisions are given for a specific number of judges. The number of members that have sat on the bench have varied over time, so the issue was used by FDR's opposition in a typical insane way, ignoring the suffering of the people for political points. But your thinking is typical of your average Liberal Darwinist.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel It doesent matter. He wanted to stack the court with 15 judges so that he could nominate 6 additional judges that will vote against the constitution. I'm not challenging the constitutionality of congress voting to do so. I'm showing you the rason why he advocated for it. This is historical fact that is beyond descussion. Your statement does nothing to refute that FDR wanted activist judges on the bench. Ask any historian. Look at fireside chat #9. Its irrefutable!
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 I know. Truth doesn't matter to you. It didn't matter that he was frustrated that a bunch of pro-NAZI bankers that had blown out the banking system were using the Supreme Court to stop him from carrying out the defense of the general welfare, the main principle of the Constitution.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel Wow. Just Wow. Thats the only comment I have in reply to your Nazi conspiracy theory.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Hand waving in the face of the harsh reality of historical fact. Typical liberal. bleah!
FDRChannel 1 year ago
If only Roosevelt lived. Today what we have is a bunch of greedy bastards running our government and corporations. in my opinion these people would be better off dead.
I'd pay the higher price to live in a country with pride and spirit both in the family and work place.
Today our corporations run the country by there lobbyist. Is this what you jerks really want. That video I just saw above this post makes me feel ashamed to be an American Today. Thanks assholes for ruining my country
thecomputergeniu1000 1 year ago 3
@thecomputergeniu1000 Easy fix! Go back in time and reverse the bastardization of article one section 8 of the constitution set fourth by FDR! Then you will have neither corperate nor individual welfare and this country and its constitution could go back to the origional way it was intended to function.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
Hetep and Respect FDR was one great Cultural Humanist President.
Aunk123 1 year ago
@Aunk123 Socialist policy's do nothing but enslave the minds and lobours of men for the collective. If I exist, I have the right to my thoughts, my actions produced by them, and the property gained by my actions. Adopting policies like FDR's New Deal and Social Security have done more to enslave americans than help them. Unless you think debt=freedom.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Free trade has enslaved more people throughout history than Socialism, a product of the the same British Empire that created Marx.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel Funny. And I thought Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler (National SOCIALIST LABOR Party), Pol Pot, and Kim Jong IL, were the mass murderers. But no. According to you its the very people that employ the worlds workers. The only difference is that if you dont comply with one you get fired and if you dont comply with the other you lose all liberty whatsoever. I will take my chances in the free market and steer clear of the reeducation camps.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Since when was slave labor "employing". The British Empires biggest product historically is OPIUM, just like they're running it today. Not only did the British Empire create Marx, they put Hilter in power, they ran the Russian Revolution, they sabotaged Sun Yat Sen, created and supported Mao, & supported Pol Pot. Worse you're fool enough to believe their insane economic theories based on characterizing humans as animals and retarded magic economics.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel Yip! Sure did. The leftest in the UK then are just like the leftest in the UK today. The history of all these collectivists nations speaks for themselvs. When you place equality over liberty you will have neither. When you place liberty over equality you will gain a great deal of both. Liberty cannot exist outside the free market. We are entitled to life liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness, not the (GUARENTEE) of happiness.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Left and right describes the seating arrangement of the French Parliament during the 1790's. The way you're using it is worthless. Free trade as an economic doctrine, was written by SLAVE MONGERS AND DOPE PUSHERS who sneered at the concept of freedom and equality. Why the hell are you so dense to promote the policy of dope pushers.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel Simple. Any action deemed illegal isnt eactly free trade now is it? You can support import tarrifs is you want. But then again, the poor depend on cheap imports now dont they? It didnt work for Jefferson, it didnt work for the north during the civil war, nor has import tarrifs worked then after. Blocking trade only raises the prices of goods and services which make the poor poorer. Its a know fact. The importation slavery has been banned since 1808 and drug smuggleing is illegal.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Coming to the defense of slavery, eh? Typical liberal.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel No one is defending slavery here.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 Wait a minute. Do you realize how insane your thinking is!? The old way of thinking was: lets raise the living standards of as many people as possible and force the rest of the world to catch up. Today, the insanity of pessimism precludes that we should lower everyones standard of living so we can afford cheap slave labor made crap. No wonder our country is bankrupt. No wonder we have retards like Bush and Obama as president.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
@FDRChannel The principles of liberty never change. No one has the right to take property away from another or determine what people have the right to do with their property as long as ownership of such property takes no natural rights from anyone else.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 The British Empire has stolen the life, liberty, and property of the majority of the human race for centuries, and the funny thing is, you have adopted their bestial philosophy as your own. The very philosophy that the USA had a revolution against, and was revived by FDR.
FDRChannel 1 year ago
SOCIALIST BASTARD.
SkylarkStudios 1 year ago
@SkylarkStudios He was such a socialist bastard that he got you Social Security for when your ass gets old.
seattlealex 1 year ago
@seattlealex I'm so fucking glad I have Social Security, and I'm a number in the government's files... AWESOME.
SkylarkStudios 1 year ago
The best president the USA ever had. A great man with even greater ideals!
RaTheGreat86 1 year ago 2
wow
Micfri 1 year ago
people who are against FDR make the mistake of equating liberty = capitalism. They are not the same thing. In a democracy we can choose the kind of economic model we want, and what kind of capitalism we want.
Liberty has nothing to do with what kind of an economic model a society chooses. Cant believe I have to explain this.
jimmydore 1 year ago 44
@jimmydore Our constitution is baised off of individual negative liberty. Not collectivist positive liberty. If capitalism does not exist , liberty suffers. I would challenge you to name one economic method that shows otherwise. Government didnt choose capitalism. Individuals did in accordance with their freedom to associate or not associate with each other in respect to their own individual property. No government has the right to take such liberty away.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 I honestly dont even know what you area saying, and I am pretty sure you dont' either.
YOu are also making the mistake of thinking there is one form of capitalism. There is not one kind of capitalism, we get to choose what kind of capitalism we use in a free society.
jimmydore 1 year ago
@jimmydore Capitalism is a result of freedom. If I have the right to associate with others (or not) as I choose, and if I have the right to do with my property as I choose, capitalism will always exist.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
Because Capitalism is the only ideology that allows those.
Oh wait - it isn't.
TheAnonymouz 1 year ago
@TheAnonymouz Can you name another?
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
Syndicalism.
TheAnonymouz 1 year ago
@jimmydore I have the right to think, therefor I have the right to actions derived from my thought, therefor I have the right to turn my actions in to labor and get paid in accordence to an agreement with my employer who has the right or not to hire me, my labor is then turned in to capital, and my capital in to buying goods and services or investments. My thoughts, actions, labor, and capital are all my property. You cannot have liberty without capitalism.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
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jimmydore 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982 @CWSmith1982 it is sad that you have such a narrow view of economics and liberty. Liberty is SOOOOOO much more than your overly-simplified VERSION of capitalism .
You remind me of that saying " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". It seems you know just enough to stay fully manipulated by corporate america.
jimmydore 1 year ago
Beautifullly stated
ngwilllb14 1 year ago
@CWSmith1982
ummm that's not true. what if the government could provide everything for everyone?
what if we got our power from solar and all our manufacturing was done by machines? what if people lived forever? what if you could upload your consciousness into full five sense virtual reality and create worlds on a whim?
Robstailey 1 year ago
DxDxRamone 1 year ago
@DxDxRamone it seems that lions tigers and bears didnt get the memo...in other words what you are talking about will never happen and after all these thousands of years it has never happened its not natural..furthermore wealth isn't measured just in money so for example if we all had the same amount of money some people would still be better off due to abilities attractiveness and so fourth...
ajw21778 1 year ago
@jimmydore
and confusing capitalism with free market BS
unassumption 11 months ago
@jimmydore and in that democracy 49% of the country just has to live in an economic system they didn't vote for. Mob rule does not equal liberty, which is what it sounds like you're implying.
seanmartvt09 11 months ago
@seanmartvt09 What you call "mob rule", the rest of the world calls "democracy" and living with the result of Free and Open Elections. Hope that helps.
jimmydore 11 months ago