As a seminary student and as one that has 20 years of private study in the bible as well as mythology and other religions. I will have to openly admit that there is too much evidence to support the fact that Christianity was a created religion under the Roman Empire and is a combination of several other religions and mythology's. Even some of the Jewish text and story's seem to have been a plagiarism of Babylonian and Egyptian influence which was borrowed from Sumerian theology's.
I HAVE READ THE BIBLE MY WHOLE LIFE. I AM A BELIEVER IN GOD AND YESHUA(JESUS) AS THE MESSIAH. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS MODERN DAY CHRISTIANITY IS PAGAN. FROM CHRISTMAS TO EASTER TO THE TRINITY AND SUNDAYWORSHIP. JESUS HIMSELF SAID HE CAME NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW.JESUS CAME NOT TO CREATE A NEW RELIGON. PAUL IS A FALSE APOSTLE. HE MOVED IT FROM A PURELY JEWISH TO A FOREIGN GRECO-ROMAN PAGAN FILLED RELIGON.
Roman Catholicism = product of Babylonian Mystery religions and the Cult of Mithra, I was a Romanist for 26 yrs before realizing this fact. If you want to know more visit my channel and website. Thank you very much for certain of the information allotted in this video, Webdawah.
Roman Catholicism = product of Babylonian Mystery religions and the Cult of Mithra, I was a Romanist for 26 yrs before realizing this fact. If you want to know more visit my website. Thank you very much for certain of the information allotted in this video.
Very good video. Xtians will be upset with you for knocking their beliefs upon shaky ground but I understand where are are going. Not once did you say there was not a being who came unto Israel to show the way back to the Father but that The Church is about control of all and will go to any lengths to wield that control. Xtians don't need church, they need Yeshua, who was always opposed to establishment and the bounds of religion. The comments are filled with fear. This saddens me.
Very good video. Xtians will be upset with you for knocking their beliefs upon shaky ground but I understand where are are going. Not once did you say there was not a being who came unto Israel to show the way back to the Father but that The Church is about control of all and will go to any lengths to wield that control. Xtians don't need church, they need Yeshua, who was always opposed to establishment and the bounds of religion.
Wow! U really took the bible out of context. Please don't insult us Christians with our own book, we know it way better than u, & actually understand its meaning. Ur entire philosophy was based on incorrect assumptions & ridiculous interpretation. I saw no good logic in the entire argument. It didn't make sense. It can all be taken apart piece by piece. Christ can not be disproved, (nor entirely proven) but he will never b disproven so keep trying in vain. Maybe u should actually read the bible.
@webdawah Aww! u got me. Honestly I didn't want 2 do this, becuz it would take 2 much time, and it wouldn't solve anything, as u'd find my argument as useless as I find the one that this video makes. I'll start @ the beginning with the sun god references, I don't see how the israelites wanting a king (1 Sam. 8:7-9) has 2 do with the sun god, & israel worshiping the sun. If u know, tell me kindly. I'll say more (really!) if u tell me that verse's connection.
@webdawah Thank you for telling me kindly. I maybe should have said worshipping the sun AS god, not "sun god"like what a few slides prior to the one on 1 Sam. came to. Now could you tell me how this relates to & fit with the disproving of Jesus' authenticity, since I am too thick to understand this, maybe put it in teachable words. Or do you really not know and are just ready to accept anything that says that Christianity is phony? I will continue when you give me a proper response.
@ajstwins28 If you have a preconceived idea of what the video should say, your idea is wrong. I don't know how you have a video still available on the internet with all its information, yet you are coming to a conclusion totally different from what the video says. The video does not say that Israelites worshiped the sun, neither did it say the Christianity is phony. It does not say that Jesus(pbuh) was not authentic.
@webdawah Yes, I admit, I had preconceived ideas. This video's mission is not just to bring down Christians like I previously interpreted. but on some thoughts such as the town of nazareth not existing is just an assum-ption, & 400 yrs went by between the old & new testaments. the town might not've been there in the the OT times. & I think what u meant was Nazirite, like Samson in OT book Judges (13:4-5). Nazarenes are what the followers of Christ were called at that time, & people from nazareth
@ajstwins28 Really ??? these religions came before jebus you moron !Even when given proof you are stupid . You cant even worship the right false god!!!!!!!!!!!
@letseeit7 What do you plan to accomplish by lashing out at me? Is your self esteem raised? There is so much more meaning to this life than trying to prove others wrong. If you think you'll gain happiness or contentment, you are not going to be satisfied, because who you claim as false is the only true God. Life is meaningless without Him! Someday you might see that. If you want a debate, we can have a debate (reluctantly) but this is what I'm saying now. I'm prepared for another angry outburst.
part two: The slaying of the bull by MIthras isn't stated anywhere as being for people's sins: you list that Horus had a mother, Isis-a godess, & Jesus had a mother..so what? Anyone w/a mother is copying the pagans? What influence of the Sun God in the Old Test.? The people are told don't worship the sun, moon, stars -something the pagan Arabs were doing, No influence there, just a lie to avoid. , & God coming down with fire on his chariot DOES NOT imply he is a Sun God. What a shamless stretch
@Paahau "The slaying of the bull by MIthras isn't stated anywhere as being for people's sins" Expiation of sins is equivalent to purification of an initiate to Mithraism. The same thing.
If you don't have a problem with reading, you need to educate yourself on the subject. Stop being in denial.
@webdawah W/out any writings how would you know what the slaying of the bull amounted to? What I read shows much uncertainity. But what if it did? Sacrifice for sins was/is a common theme. Not to appear rude, but what is your point? I do read and educate myself, but as I said in my last comment I don't grab at everything just because it's what I want to hear. I check if it's actually true. So much garbage on Mirtha: 12 discplies, cruified, rise from dead, in heaven, blah blah blatant lies.
@Paahau That's a straw man argument. Where in my video did you see 12 disciples, cricifixion...? You are creating an argument I did not make to evade the ones I did.
@webdawah I said there is so much garbage on this Mirtha character, and then list all what I've read. Other Muslims posted this foolishness. Did I ascribe that to you? No.
You confuse the myth of Mithras that formed in Rome last quarter of 1 AD w/the Mithras of Zorasterism. The two are not the same,only the name is the same. The Mithras of Rome is a mystery religion, no writings were left behind to describe it, yet you somehow know? Yes their were beliefs in One god, Egypt had Ra the sun god. That damns Allah as much as Jehovah, how could it not? Mithras of the Zorasterism's wasn't said to be born on Dec. 25. He was worshipped esp. in July and the 16th of each mo
@Paahau I do not confuse anything with the other. You make an allegation that you did not back up, or provide evidence for.
No writings were left behind, but hundreds of murals were. Do your research. I did not talk about Mithras of Zoroastrians, you brought that up. The Mithras worshipped by Romans including Constantine, was born on Dec. 25.
@webdawah You were mixing the Sun God Mirtha w/the Roman Mirtha. It's in your video, look! & when I read on the Roman Mirtha in the encylopedia I get no birthdate, esp. Dec. 25th. and no Sun God either. There is junk out there that needs to be questioned. I'd read that the cresent moon was an Islamic symbol because your phrophet compromised w/ the pagans who worshipped the moon. Further studies showed this wasn't true, so I don't bring it up. Please show the same respect.
@Paahau The Roman Mithra was the one Constantine who incorporated Christianity as a state religion in Rome worshiped. That was the Sol Invictus(Unconquerable Sun). They are the same.
@webdawah The one source I checked backs up what you say. It stated that the earliest evidence of this was in coinage dating 150AD. But I feel the subject has crawled out on a limb and is going....where? Rituals, ceremonies by pagans before Christ were taken over by the Christian faith, and given a different meaning. The Moon God worship by pagan Arabs had, like the black stone, aspects that were taken in by Islam. And so..?
@webdawah For starters: The Kaabal was considered a holy place by pagan Arabs before Islam was declared a faith. The many tribes would have pilgrimages to this site. The Quraysh tribe, which Muhammed would be born into, took over control of the Kaabal. The god of the Quraysh was Hubal, moon god. Pagan pilgrims considered the black stone in the Kaabal holy. Enters Muhammed who wished to claim the Kaabal for Islam. After successful wars he has control, and cleans the place out of the 360 +idols.
@webdawah Muhammed kisses the black stone, sets up holy pilgrimages to this site for muslims. The same scene, w/running about the building, but a change in name of gods.
The Sabreans had a custom of praying 7 times a day. They would fast a month during the lunar moon.
Two different resources state that the name al-ilah means 'the god' and that the name was shortened to Allah. The name 'the god' applied to whoever that pagan tribe worshipped as supreme. I don't stand on that, still looking.
@Paahau First of all, it is Ka'abah, not Kaabal, and we don't pray 7 times a day, but worship 5 times a day. I would wait until you think you are fully educated about my religion, then we would continue the discussion.
@webdawah And yet you miss the point, or perhaps duck it. Yes the Sabreans would pray 7 times and Islam has made it 5. We were looking at similaritie. And my putting down Kaabal rather than Ka'abah does not change the facts. If I've offended you in my misspelling, I apologize. You must consider this a holy site.
@Paahau How many times a day does a Christian pray, and where did Christianity copy that from? How did the Sabreans pray, and what is it's similitude in Islam?
Your point is not making sense so far, but I'll go along.
The Ka'abah is a holy site that was built by Abraham and Ishmael(pbut). They were not pagans.
@webdawah The Sabreans were to have prayed in a similar manner as Muslims today. The 7 times a day (some I read were 3) were certain times of the day and facing ? when doing so. The Ka'abah was a part of the pagan Arabs worship, in particular a moon god. And Abrahman had a part in this? Not in my bible. Christians pray throughout the day but are not told to pray at certain times, in particular ways facing a particular direction as if God was sitting somewhere out there w/his ears up.
@Paahau Did you know that the Jews prayed facing the temple? Apparently, Jesus(pbuh) did too. He too copied the Sabreans?
I don't see any source that says the Sabreans prayed like the Muslims, nor prayed facing the Ka'abah, maybe you can provide one. Your repetition of moon god diminished your credibility. It has no basis in Islam.
The reason people pray facing a dedicated house of worship is because they cannot all fit in there. We do not believe that God is on earth.
@webdawah No but the Hadith mentions early Muslims were also called "Sabi" in Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 725 and Volume 1, Book 7, Number 340:
the Woman(She) asked, "Where?" They said, "To Allah's Apostle ." She said, "Do you mean the man who is called the Sabi, (with a new religion)?" They replied, "Yes, the same person.
Thus Islam has a mix of Gnostic cults --look into the Sabeans of Haran.
@HilariousHadith "Sabi" literally means someone who practices a new religion. In the context of this hadith, it referred to the prophet(pbuh), since Islam was new to the Arabs.
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"The mysteries of Mithras were not practiced until the 1st century AD. The unique underground temples or Mithraea appear suddenly in the archaeology in the last quarter of the first century AD."
@webdawah Clauss, Manfred (2000). Gordon, Richard (trans.). ed. The Roman cult of Mithras. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 074861396X. Beck, R., “The Mysteries of Mithras: A New Account of their Genesis”, Journal of Roman Studies, 1998, 115-128. p. 118.
@Lambieschmoo That's an overly simplistic summary of the page you copied that from in wikipedia. Did you bother to read what Plutarch had to say as quoted in the same write-up? Or that one of the sources you quoted(Beck) says that some of the terracotta heads of Mithras could date back to 50 BC?
Mithrian initiates were led into the always underground temples blindfolded, they worshiped an adult who came fully grown from a rock, who rode the back of a Bull and killed it. They didnt allow women into the faith, and had different levels of initation for the male only adherents. And they worshipped in a different manner, leaning in a relaxed manner around the sides of the temples (rather than sitting upright in lines on pews). I see no connection between those actions and Catholicism.
If this video maker had actually done any research instead of just parroting a book that was an obvious just read favourite then it might of been worth commenting on the many wrong conclusions.
@webdawah Being so knowledgable you could possibly tell me where in Mithraism (the Roman one not the Persion Mithra) is there a family of Mithras? What church did Mithras' brother lead after Mithras death? How does the mithras story relate to to Jesus life?
@dortyhoor This is not about a family, but about the deity. Not about a church, but the practice of drinking wine(blood) and eating bread(flesh). Not about the life lived, but the story told about the life. It's the symbolism of it all.
1 Corinthians 9:20-22, Paul admits to being different things to different people. Does that not give you a hint that some things that pagans believed at that time would have crept into his writings so as to 'save' them?
@webdawah How can you say that it isnt about family when talking about Jesus when they played such an important role throughout his life and birth from a woman, not an instant appearance from a rock?
Since we are on Biblical writings look to James (Jesus brother) rebuking Paul for his version of the Jesus movement and his letter to Rome to request to Paul to stop with the 'Son of God' nonsense. James lead the Jerusalem church of Jesus after his 'death'. The Pauline creed is not the only version
@dortyhoor Now you are talking. You admit that there is a version that is not congruent with the true nature of Jesus. Unfortunately, that Pauline version is the more popular depiction of Jesus.
I do know that there were Jewish Christians whose practice was nothing like we know Christianity to be today, but that is not what I represented in the video. I represented the Pauline version, which is more popular, hence; Mithras, Jesus, and Paul.
@webdawah But Mithras and Jesus have nothing in common apart from convienent dates of worship (which were taken from even older faiths), their religious practices were totally different as were their origin stories. Again I ask where is the mother figure of Mithras? where were the women of the Mithras cult? and is it accepted that Mithras actually appeared fully adult (as opposed to being born) around autumn time, with Dec 25th being just a symbolic date not an actual one?
@dortyhoor I don't see you refute any of the claims from this video. Instead, you are refuting trumped up claims I never made. How is that for honesty?
@Virginia22101 History contradicts you, and Professor Ron Nash. How convenient that the mystery cult did arrive in Rome 'until the 2nd or 3rd century,' yet Constantine was practicing it long before Christianity.
Ancient books are chock a block with stories of divine men. Over and over those stories include details showing exactly these two details. Where'd the divinity come from? A God. Where'd His humanity come from? A woman. Just as the fact of a miracle is evidence that a God is at work, the-divinity-came-from-a God facts in these stories were evidence that the godman was different from a regular human.
This video is very good,although it seems to be from a secular/atheist perspective, I am a former Christian and a New Muslim and In Islam all of these misconceptions about Jesus are cleared up, first of all he was not born on Dec. 25 he was born in the summer, he never claimed to be God but others made that claim about him long after he was gone, Jesus was a Muslim and his teachings were altered by the Roman Pagans at the council of Nicaea in 325 ad where they voted Jesus to officially be a God
@KilluminatiMujahad Jesus wasn't a Muslim, he was a Jew lol That's why he said to obey the commandments of the Hebrew god. Islam appeared 300yrs later.
Anyhow all the religions are based upon older myths and are all flawed.
@MegaJay79 Your understanding of a Muslim may be one who is a follower of Muhammad(pbuh), but a Muslim is someone who submits their will to God. That fits perfectly with the description of Jesus(pbuh) and the rest of the prophets.
With that said, I challenge you to bring up the myths that Islam is based on.
@webdawah ? That makes no sense... The Egyptian myth came first, and there are many other myths that became some of the stories of the Torah and them the Koran.
@MegaJay79 The length of time a civilization with a story existed does not make it true. I have read many historical and archeological publications to see what people in history thought about religion. I have never seen anyone who has any convincing case regarding the flood story. Can you show me one?
@MegaJay79 I have read about it. It is known to have existed since about 2500 BC, although the Genesis account is later(thought to be written by Moses). However, the event being recorded by Genesis did not take place concurrently with its writing. The event too was far older than it's recording, which is about the same age as the writing found.
I would not conclude that Genesis copied from "The Epic of Gilgamesh." They(The Epic, and the event concerning Noah) are about the same period.
@webdawah Galgamesh is in turn a version of much older Sumerian poems and there is also an older Egyptian version though i can't remember or find it at the moment.
@webdawah The Egyptian myth:- sun god Ra, feared that people were going to overthrow him. He sent the Hathor, who was his eye, to punish the people. She killed so many that their blood, flowing into the Nile River and the ocean, caused a flood. Hathor drank the bloody water. Feeling things had gone too far, Ra ordered slaves make a lake of beer, dyed red to look like blood. Hathor drank the beer, became drunk, and failed to finish wiping out humanity. The survivors started the human race anew.
@webdawah There is a character like Noah in the myth who Ra chooses to carry on the human race. This was years before the Hebrew myth, and although its not the same it illustrates how myths are carried and changed by other cultures. They can't all be the chosen race can they? Which god was responsible for the flood? If this happened before then why weren't the Hebrews wiped out?
My point is the Torah and Koran share many parables and myth which in turn also in many cases have older origins.
@webdawah There are a number of myth that share similarities. These ones were just to illustrate:- god subjecting man to a worldwide flood - only chosen are saved, has had many versions.
Likewise the Koran had the same Myths as the Torah, although a different culture has adopted them and changed them slightly, as did the Hebrews with Egyptian myth as did Paul with Mithra&Jesus
@webdawah Mithra was born of rock, Jesus of virgin, they are different but you see a relationship with these. Wouldn't it be arrogant not to also see the relationship between the older myths and those of the old testament/Koran?
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@webdawah The general idea is the same, but one culture took it and adapted it.
Christianity/Islam/Judaism, these religions share stories&myths but have adapted them within different cultures.
You can't endorse this Vid if you can't see the relationship between other pagan myths and the main religions & the relationship between the main religions themselves. Either you are subjective or you just want to discredit Christianity.
@MegaJay79 I think there is a limit to which one can stretch similarities. Some are very evident, and some are assumed just because. I am not trying to discredit Christianity, but show that some things are clearly not originally teachings of Jesus, if you watch the video again.
@webdawah I understand, its interesting that the gospel of thomas is probably one of the only original existing texts yet its not recognized, and I do agree with much of your vid. However if you research the old testament you'll find its not clean cut, the exodus is not is as written and myths were borrowed and changed. People told stories to others and re-told them and they became their stories and so on and cultures came together or started anew
@MegaJay79 For someone who thinks they know so much your quite ignorant bro, Islam means peace attained through submitting your will to God, a Muslim is one who has attained peace by having submitted to God. Mohamed pbuh did not bring a new religion and neither did Jesus nor any other prophet, they all taught the same thing, to submit ones will to God and achieve peace, we call this in Arabic Islam. Dont get caught up in linguistics. from the time of Adam all the prophets were literally Muslim
@KilluminatiMujahad I wasn't commenting on views of God so meant no offence.(I happen to believe in God but don't believe in any religion) Never the less there are three main religions that don't agree on all things but who do share certain myths
some of which have older origins, such as adam&eve, Noah etc.
I was surprised in college to hear that Mithra(s) was the patron god of the Roman legions, and "transmogrified" into Jesus. There is a passage in the Bible (don't know which and it wasn't quoted in the class at the time) which identifies Jesus as a warrior figure, holding a shield and sword.
Alexander (he died in 332 BC, but no one knew. It took a long time for folks to realize what year it was. This just goes to show how much smarter we are than the ancients) was the son of the king's wife Olympias, and the God Zeus Ammon, conceived by a thunderbolt. >>
(Kind of reminds you of Herodotus and Apis, huh? Funny, you never hear believing scholars bloviate on how the stories of Apis' and Alexander's births developed independently. I wonder why that is.)
G-d was not the slayer though... What is the name given?
What's really facinating about your video, is that..with willingness..we can see the "aura" of a global shared knowledge. Maybe the Babel Tower is not as allegorical after all.
Words, their origin..as far back...ah! what a treasure trove. I am sure the Hebrews would be appalled to know that Adonai...a most intimate and reverent address to the Creator comes from Adonis, also called: The Lord.
Modern day christianity is paganized. True followers of Yeshua know that he was not born on Dec 25th, he was not crucified on a cross (it was a stake), Paul was a false apostle, self appointed (there are only 12) who is leading the christian church astray by his writings, some of the new testament books contains many errors, I do not accept Paul's writings because they contradict Yeshua's teachings, there is no such thing as Trinity and Yeshua is the son of Yahweh, not Yahweh.
Hamid, first it is not Jesus and not Mary. Common, the Arabic is the closest to Aramaic of all the languages known in the west. Miryam and Yahoshua do sound more familiar to the Arabic instead of the hellenized version we are getting today. And it was indeed not winter...Constantine the great invented that he was a Mithraist and amalgamated diverse forms of paganery to come up with christianity! So, to me when some one talks about christ birth as dec 25th I say "o, yes. they mean Mithra" ;)
against this statement made by the prophet in the "old" testament
Ex 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
To add... there is no better example of a Pauline statement then the statement I quoted from 1timothy 3:16. It is doesn´t even follow the logic of Yahoshua nor the style of thinking characteristic for hebrews. Remember that the hebrew society was an agricultural society!
I disagree...the hebrew toughtform is not philosophil but practical.. where te letters you mentioned are thoroughly based on greek poetry and philosophy...the 1cor11 statement shows clear traces of Mithraism...
then there is this statement
3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1tim 3:16)
i don't see what the point is for you to show that a jewish person would wright in the herbrew poetic style or that they can be translated back into aramaic which was the common languange in the region is ment to prove. aramaic didn't get replased untill the muslim era in the mid-east.
i posted a video response. tell me what you think. i also posted it in response to your response. lol. by stronzo5. salaam alaikum. :) im not a muslim, i just like saying that. im a wiccan. have a nice day, brother.
I think it is rather your god who is getting an education. You think that the 'education' of christians regarding the bs of their religon will end there? Think again chief. Islam is next. Going to take a level of violence with the Muslims that it doesn't take with christians, but the job is in progress nonetheless. Just remember this, the best laid plans of mice and men many times come to naught. The Muslims plot, but there are others who have been plotting for far longer. Have a nice day.
Like I said, there's nothing you or anyone can do to stop Islam. You keep talking about violence as if it's one sided. You will live and die, and generations after you will not see the end of Islam, because that end will never come. Get over it.
if you cannot see how wrong your statement is then i suggest you go and find me a active temple of athena, or house of osiris, religions come and go, but tend to last for a while. islam its self replaced the various polytheistic faiths that mohammad and his family practiced untill he invented islam and conquerored the region.
that is a silly statement 1.7 billion people didn't exist back then, only like 10,000,000 humans world wide. Osiris was the most popular goddess cult in all of the mediteranean, north africa, middle east so im sure quite a few did worship her.
wow, you just like to force your outstanding bullsh*t all over youtube i see... what a reputation you have planned for yourself
TheEvolver311. Luckily many are smart enough to at least have the information for themself instead of listen to you ... well, goodmorrow and don't hit the ground too hard when you fall...
I'm not asking for you to educate anyone, but yourself. You seem to put religion in the same category, which is your first problem. Everything else is an addition to that inextricable flaw.
haha your outburst is rather entertaining. im sure you must be annoyed, but no you are not that important as you make yourself out to be, im definitely not following you. the video was obviously interesting material, and i can't help but notice you enjoy to please with such grace... (note sarcasm)
And u guys scream and shout when muslims fuck up your buildings and take hundreds of lives? just remember us muslims have a guide and the creater is the best planner over all things,so to plan like we know already is no surprise we are most certainly here 2 stay if u like it or not.the pagan inspired first crusade they wiped out hundreds of thousands of muslims but we endured and rised again until the last days believe we are everywhere on this planet
You do not perceive it. Your god is a dead man, just as the one the Christians worship is a dead man. That was the beginning of the end for the lot of you. Stay calm my friend. Your religious vanity will get you through, but you are already defeated.
And practice very very diligently, because the same devil that is currently and very efficiently putting Christianity out of business is coming after you. And the same methods your so-called 'radcials' use to convert, is going to be used to take the very life out of Islam. Already happening. The juvenile calculations of your spiritual leaders and Imams will not be enough to save your religion. The Persians invented chess, but alas, they are not the masters of it.
LOL THATS GOING DOWN TO IN THE FUTURE. SO I T IS WRITTEN IN THE TALMUD OF JMMANUEL AND IN THE PHOENIX JOURNAL. YEA THERE IS MORE THRUTH THAT CHRISTAINS DONT DISPLAY BUT DONT SLEEP ON IT HOMMIE. THERE JUST AS EVIL AND BS!!!hehe
This is certainly an interesting video, but why do you not speak of the intention of your own heart? You know exactly what I speak of. Your desire like all Muslims to convert. Do you know who Ghengis Khan was? Do your honework, study history and study well the hisotry of Ghengis Khan's dealins with Mohammed. Do this and you will learn the future fate of all those devoted to converting others to Islam.Violence, subterfuge and lies were not invented by Muslims, so I suggest you and yours practice.
get your facts right ghengis never even met mankinds prophet peace be upon him? but he had muslim name?its not conversion this is the dumb invading europeans word,its reverting back.true muslims to and do good deeds and people become muslims not by using force because that is not written in the qur'an to use compulsion.we are not all brainwashed to blowup idiots who hate muslims,u blow our wives and children then payback is will come back on u,but peace must prevail.
The main figures (Mithras, Jesus) shed blood for the atonement of mankind, did not literally die, but symbolically. One religion obviously copied the other.
You are implying this, are you not? Is not the point of your video to cast aspersion on the Christian faith based on the teachings of Mithraism?
Why are you using a blatantly incorrect interpretation of John 1:1-4 (from anyone, Chaldean or not) in your arguement? Have you read this passage? Does John 1:1-4 say anything about "the Word coming out of the mouth of God?" Jews don't believe that the NT is scripture...why quote them to explain your point?
I did not cast aspersion on Christianity, you may feel so since you are yet unsuccessful in refuting the arguments. I never said anything about Jews beleiveing in the NT. The Word/Logos/Dabar are representations of the same thing; God. This concept just exists in one religion before the other. If the Word did not come out of the mouth of God, from where did it emanate?
Ha-ha .Mithraism post-dates Paul and Jesus by many years.The 1st inscription we have is dated too 66AD and it is not attested as a cult until 90AD.Paul died in 62-64Ad.Unless Paul could see into the future......
Edwin M. Yamauchi, Ph.D (often called the "scholar's scholar) says, "Mithraism as a mystery religion cannot be attested before about AD 90, which is about the time we see a Mithraic motif in a poem by Statius. No Mithraea [or Mithraic temples] have been found at Pompeii, which was destroyed by the eruption of Vesuvius in AD 79. The earliest Mithraic inscription in the West is a statue of a prefect under the emporer Trajan in AD 101... The vast majority of [mithraic] texts are dated after AD 140
Did you read this book, or did you copy and paste from 'ethicalatheist' website? I have not read this book, but I have read books that quote earlier historians such as Plutrach, who attests to the fact that captiives brought into the Roman Empire were already acquainted and practicing Mithraism. This happened around 66 B.C.
FA Spencer published his work in 1934. Cite the exact quote that backs up your thesis, inline, for all of us to see...
Who is E.W. Tyson? Do you mean Esme. Wynne-Tyson?
M.J. Vermaseren was a student of Cumont, who, unfortunately for you, came to the same conclusion as his mentor.
In the early 70's the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies concluded that there were no parallels for Mithraism in Christianity, let alone the two types of Mithraism. They let it drop...your turn.
The lion & the bee image brings to mind the riddle of Samson.
Phoobar1 3 months ago
People aren't going to like that you used facts in your video.
laurenoliver23 8 months ago
As a seminary student and as one that has 20 years of private study in the bible as well as mythology and other religions. I will have to openly admit that there is too much evidence to support the fact that Christianity was a created religion under the Roman Empire and is a combination of several other religions and mythology's. Even some of the Jewish text and story's seem to have been a plagiarism of Babylonian and Egyptian influence which was borrowed from Sumerian theology's.
markerf16 8 months ago
I HAVE READ THE BIBLE MY WHOLE LIFE. I AM A BELIEVER IN GOD AND YESHUA(JESUS) AS THE MESSIAH. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS MODERN DAY CHRISTIANITY IS PAGAN. FROM CHRISTMAS TO EASTER TO THE TRINITY AND SUNDAYWORSHIP. JESUS HIMSELF SAID HE CAME NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW.JESUS CAME NOT TO CREATE A NEW RELIGON. PAUL IS A FALSE APOSTLE. HE MOVED IT FROM A PURELY JEWISH TO A FOREIGN GRECO-ROMAN PAGAN FILLED RELIGON.
joel4360 8 months ago
Roman Catholicism = product of Babylonian Mystery religions and the Cult of Mithra, I was a Romanist for 26 yrs before realizing this fact. If you want to know more visit my channel and website. Thank you very much for certain of the information allotted in this video, Webdawah.
Saturnos8 9 months ago
Roman Catholicism = product of Babylonian Mystery religions and the Cult of Mithra, I was a Romanist for 26 yrs before realizing this fact. If you want to know more visit my website. Thank you very much for certain of the information allotted in this video.
Saturnos8 9 months ago
Very good video. Xtians will be upset with you for knocking their beliefs upon shaky ground but I understand where are are going. Not once did you say there was not a being who came unto Israel to show the way back to the Father but that The Church is about control of all and will go to any lengths to wield that control. Xtians don't need church, they need Yeshua, who was always opposed to establishment and the bounds of religion. The comments are filled with fear. This saddens me.
regardingme1 9 months ago
Very good video. Xtians will be upset with you for knocking their beliefs upon shaky ground but I understand where are are going. Not once did you say there was not a being who came unto Israel to show the way back to the Father but that The Church is about control of all and will go to any lengths to wield that control. Xtians don't need church, they need Yeshua, who was always opposed to establishment and the bounds of religion.
regardingme1 9 months ago
Wow! U really took the bible out of context. Please don't insult us Christians with our own book, we know it way better than u, & actually understand its meaning. Ur entire philosophy was based on incorrect assumptions & ridiculous interpretation. I saw no good logic in the entire argument. It didn't make sense. It can all be taken apart piece by piece. Christ can not be disproved, (nor entirely proven) but he will never b disproven so keep trying in vain. Maybe u should actually read the bible.
ajstwins28 11 months ago
@ajstwins28 If the Bible has been taken out of context, please give the correct context, and take the argument apart piece by piece.
Instead of saying something can be done, maybe you should actually do it.
webdawah 11 months ago 2
@webdawah Aww! u got me. Honestly I didn't want 2 do this, becuz it would take 2 much time, and it wouldn't solve anything, as u'd find my argument as useless as I find the one that this video makes. I'll start @ the beginning with the sun god references, I don't see how the israelites wanting a king (1 Sam. 8:7-9) has 2 do with the sun god, & israel worshiping the sun. If u know, tell me kindly. I'll say more (really!) if u tell me that verse's connection.
ajstwins28 11 months ago
@ajstwins28 You not only don't know how to read, you lack comprehension. Where did I say that Israel worshiped a sun god?
webdawah 11 months ago
@webdawah Thank you for telling me kindly. I maybe should have said worshipping the sun AS god, not "sun god"like what a few slides prior to the one on 1 Sam. came to. Now could you tell me how this relates to & fit with the disproving of Jesus' authenticity, since I am too thick to understand this, maybe put it in teachable words. Or do you really not know and are just ready to accept anything that says that Christianity is phony? I will continue when you give me a proper response.
ajstwins28 11 months ago
@ajstwins28 If you have a preconceived idea of what the video should say, your idea is wrong. I don't know how you have a video still available on the internet with all its information, yet you are coming to a conclusion totally different from what the video says. The video does not say that Israelites worshiped the sun, neither did it say the Christianity is phony. It does not say that Jesus(pbuh) was not authentic.
webdawah 11 months ago
@webdawah Yes, I admit, I had preconceived ideas. This video's mission is not just to bring down Christians like I previously interpreted. but on some thoughts such as the town of nazareth not existing is just an assum-ption, & 400 yrs went by between the old & new testaments. the town might not've been there in the the OT times. & I think what u meant was Nazirite, like Samson in OT book Judges (13:4-5). Nazarenes are what the followers of Christ were called at that time, & people from nazareth
ajstwins28 10 months ago
@ajstwins28 Really ??? these religions came before jebus you moron !Even when given proof you are stupid . You cant even worship the right false god!!!!!!!!!!!
letseeit7 9 months ago
@letseeit7 What do you plan to accomplish by lashing out at me? Is your self esteem raised? There is so much more meaning to this life than trying to prove others wrong. If you think you'll gain happiness or contentment, you are not going to be satisfied, because who you claim as false is the only true God. Life is meaningless without Him! Someday you might see that. If you want a debate, we can have a debate (reluctantly) but this is what I'm saying now. I'm prepared for another angry outburst.
ajstwins28 9 months ago
Christianity is a lie exposingchristianity. com
TheSatanwarrior 11 months ago
see APOLLONIUS if you dont believe this guy, he was st pauls alias or is it the other way round ???
TheManners112 11 months ago
It may be off the point, but is it possible for someone to upload a video to youtube without a SINGLE spelling mistake?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo Even if you may have never seen it, it is possible.
webdawah 1 year ago
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@webdawah Yet to see it! lol
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
part two: The slaying of the bull by MIthras isn't stated anywhere as being for people's sins: you list that Horus had a mother, Isis-a godess, & Jesus had a mother..so what? Anyone w/a mother is copying the pagans? What influence of the Sun God in the Old Test.? The people are told don't worship the sun, moon, stars -something the pagan Arabs were doing, No influence there, just a lie to avoid. , & God coming down with fire on his chariot DOES NOT imply he is a Sun God. What a shamless stretch
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau "The slaying of the bull by MIthras isn't stated anywhere as being for people's sins" Expiation of sins is equivalent to purification of an initiate to Mithraism. The same thing.
If you don't have a problem with reading, you need to educate yourself on the subject. Stop being in denial.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah W/out any writings how would you know what the slaying of the bull amounted to? What I read shows much uncertainity. But what if it did? Sacrifice for sins was/is a common theme. Not to appear rude, but what is your point? I do read and educate myself, but as I said in my last comment I don't grab at everything just because it's what I want to hear. I check if it's actually true. So much garbage on Mirtha: 12 discplies, cruified, rise from dead, in heaven, blah blah blatant lies.
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau That's a straw man argument. Where in my video did you see 12 disciples, cricifixion...? You are creating an argument I did not make to evade the ones I did.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah I said there is so much garbage on this Mirtha character, and then list all what I've read. Other Muslims posted this foolishness. Did I ascribe that to you? No.
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau I did a thorough research before I made my video. I still await a refutation.
webdawah 1 year ago
You confuse the myth of Mithras that formed in Rome last quarter of 1 AD w/the Mithras of Zorasterism. The two are not the same,only the name is the same. The Mithras of Rome is a mystery religion, no writings were left behind to describe it, yet you somehow know? Yes their were beliefs in One god, Egypt had Ra the sun god. That damns Allah as much as Jehovah, how could it not? Mithras of the Zorasterism's wasn't said to be born on Dec. 25. He was worshipped esp. in July and the 16th of each mo
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau I do not confuse anything with the other. You make an allegation that you did not back up, or provide evidence for.
No writings were left behind, but hundreds of murals were. Do your research. I did not talk about Mithras of Zoroastrians, you brought that up. The Mithras worshipped by Romans including Constantine, was born on Dec. 25.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah You were mixing the Sun God Mirtha w/the Roman Mirtha. It's in your video, look! & when I read on the Roman Mirtha in the encylopedia I get no birthdate, esp. Dec. 25th. and no Sun God either. There is junk out there that needs to be questioned. I'd read that the cresent moon was an Islamic symbol because your phrophet compromised w/ the pagans who worshipped the moon. Further studies showed this wasn't true, so I don't bring it up. Please show the same respect.
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau The Roman Mithra was the one Constantine who incorporated Christianity as a state religion in Rome worshiped. That was the Sol Invictus(Unconquerable Sun). They are the same.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah The one source I checked backs up what you say. It stated that the earliest evidence of this was in coinage dating 150AD. But I feel the subject has crawled out on a limb and is going....where? Rituals, ceremonies by pagans before Christ were taken over by the Christian faith, and given a different meaning. The Moon God worship by pagan Arabs had, like the black stone, aspects that were taken in by Islam. And so..?
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau Aspects taken in by Islam like what?
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah For starters: The Kaabal was considered a holy place by pagan Arabs before Islam was declared a faith. The many tribes would have pilgrimages to this site. The Quraysh tribe, which Muhammed would be born into, took over control of the Kaabal. The god of the Quraysh was Hubal, moon god. Pagan pilgrims considered the black stone in the Kaabal holy. Enters Muhammed who wished to claim the Kaabal for Islam. After successful wars he has control, and cleans the place out of the 360 +idols.
Paahau 1 year ago
@webdawah Muhammed kisses the black stone, sets up holy pilgrimages to this site for muslims. The same scene, w/running about the building, but a change in name of gods.
The Sabreans had a custom of praying 7 times a day. They would fast a month during the lunar moon.
Two different resources state that the name al-ilah means 'the god' and that the name was shortened to Allah. The name 'the god' applied to whoever that pagan tribe worshipped as supreme. I don't stand on that, still looking.
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau First of all, it is Ka'abah, not Kaabal, and we don't pray 7 times a day, but worship 5 times a day. I would wait until you think you are fully educated about my religion, then we would continue the discussion.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah And yet you miss the point, or perhaps duck it. Yes the Sabreans would pray 7 times and Islam has made it 5. We were looking at similaritie. And my putting down Kaabal rather than Ka'abah does not change the facts. If I've offended you in my misspelling, I apologize. You must consider this a holy site.
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau How many times a day does a Christian pray, and where did Christianity copy that from? How did the Sabreans pray, and what is it's similitude in Islam?
Your point is not making sense so far, but I'll go along.
The Ka'abah is a holy site that was built by Abraham and Ishmael(pbut). They were not pagans.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah The Sabreans were to have prayed in a similar manner as Muslims today. The 7 times a day (some I read were 3) were certain times of the day and facing ? when doing so. The Ka'abah was a part of the pagan Arabs worship, in particular a moon god. And Abrahman had a part in this? Not in my bible. Christians pray throughout the day but are not told to pray at certain times, in particular ways facing a particular direction as if God was sitting somewhere out there w/his ears up.
Paahau 1 year ago
@Paahau Did you know that the Jews prayed facing the temple? Apparently, Jesus(pbuh) did too. He too copied the Sabreans?
I don't see any source that says the Sabreans prayed like the Muslims, nor prayed facing the Ka'abah, maybe you can provide one. Your repetition of moon god diminished your credibility. It has no basis in Islam.
The reason people pray facing a dedicated house of worship is because they cannot all fit in there. We do not believe that God is on earth.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah No but the Hadith mentions early Muslims were also called "Sabi" in Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 725 and Volume 1, Book 7, Number 340:
the Woman(She) asked, "Where?" They said, "To Allah's Apostle ." She said, "Do you mean the man who is called the Sabi, (with a new religion)?" They replied, "Yes, the same person.
Thus Islam has a mix of Gnostic cults --look into the Sabeans of Haran.
HilariousHadith 1 year ago
@HilariousHadith "Sabi" literally means someone who practices a new religion. In the context of this hadith, it referred to the prophet(pbuh), since Islam was new to the Arabs.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah No it is not it is the plural form of Sabians dumby...
HilariousHadith 1 year ago
@HilariousHadith On what authority do you state that? I am not the type you can deceive.
webdawah 1 year ago
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
"The mysteries of Mithras were not practiced until the 1st century AD. The unique underground temples or Mithraea appear suddenly in the archaeology in the last quarter of the first century AD."
Lambieschmoo 1 year ago
@Lambieschmoo Who are you quoting?
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah Clauss, Manfred (2000). Gordon, Richard (trans.). ed. The Roman cult of Mithras. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 074861396X. Beck, R., “The Mysteries of Mithras: A New Account of their Genesis”, Journal of Roman Studies, 1998, 115-128. p. 118.
Lambieschmoo 1 year ago
@Lambieschmoo That's an overly simplistic summary of the page you copied that from in wikipedia. Did you bother to read what Plutarch had to say as quoted in the same write-up? Or that one of the sources you quoted(Beck) says that some of the terracotta heads of Mithras could date back to 50 BC?
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah No, I've been busy. I'm on your side....just playing "devil's advocate."
I'll check it further when I have a chance.
Wikipedia is never a good source lol For checking quickly it's so-so. :)
Lambieschmoo 1 year ago
Mithrian initiates were led into the always underground temples blindfolded, they worshiped an adult who came fully grown from a rock, who rode the back of a Bull and killed it. They didnt allow women into the faith, and had different levels of initation for the male only adherents. And they worshipped in a different manner, leaning in a relaxed manner around the sides of the temples (rather than sitting upright in lines on pews). I see no connection between those actions and Catholicism.
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@dortyhoor Please, watch the videos again. If you ever watched it.
webdawah 1 year ago
If this video maker had actually done any research instead of just parroting a book that was an obvious just read favourite then it might of been worth commenting on the many wrong conclusions.
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@dortyhoor If you are not an archeologist or historian, I don't think you would have anything to contribute anyway.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah Ive been reading history books I started with the ancient Greek takes at 6 and loved history ever sinse Im drowning in history at home.
Thats why I can see all the errors and how the videos format follows that of a book.
This is an open forum for contribution, do you not know? I have what I want to contribute because that is the whole purpose of the comment boxs.
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@webdawah Being so knowledgable you could possibly tell me where in Mithraism (the Roman one not the Persion Mithra) is there a family of Mithras? What church did Mithras' brother lead after Mithras death? How does the mithras story relate to to Jesus life?
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@dortyhoor This is not about a family, but about the deity. Not about a church, but the practice of drinking wine(blood) and eating bread(flesh). Not about the life lived, but the story told about the life. It's the symbolism of it all.
1 Corinthians 9:20-22, Paul admits to being different things to different people. Does that not give you a hint that some things that pagans believed at that time would have crept into his writings so as to 'save' them?
No use denying the obvious.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah How can you say that it isnt about family when talking about Jesus when they played such an important role throughout his life and birth from a woman, not an instant appearance from a rock?
Since we are on Biblical writings look to James (Jesus brother) rebuking Paul for his version of the Jesus movement and his letter to Rome to request to Paul to stop with the 'Son of God' nonsense. James lead the Jerusalem church of Jesus after his 'death'. The Pauline creed is not the only version
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@dortyhoor Now you are talking. You admit that there is a version that is not congruent with the true nature of Jesus. Unfortunately, that Pauline version is the more popular depiction of Jesus.
I do know that there were Jewish Christians whose practice was nothing like we know Christianity to be today, but that is not what I represented in the video. I represented the Pauline version, which is more popular, hence; Mithras, Jesus, and Paul.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah But Mithras and Jesus have nothing in common apart from convienent dates of worship (which were taken from even older faiths), their religious practices were totally different as were their origin stories. Again I ask where is the mother figure of Mithras? where were the women of the Mithras cult? and is it accepted that Mithras actually appeared fully adult (as opposed to being born) around autumn time, with Dec 25th being just a symbolic date not an actual one?
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@dortyhoor I don't see you refute any of the claims from this video. Instead, you are refuting trumped up claims I never made. How is that for honesty?
webdawah 1 year ago
@dortyhoor I meant Jesus being born around Autumn time.
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@Virginia22101 History contradicts you, and Professor Ron Nash. How convenient that the mystery cult did arrive in Rome 'until the 2nd or 3rd century,' yet Constantine was practicing it long before Christianity.
webdawah 1 year ago
@Virginia22101 25th of December was the birthday of Mithras.
webdawah 1 year ago
Ancient books are chock a block with stories of divine men. Over and over those stories include details showing exactly these two details. Where'd the divinity come from? A God. Where'd His humanity come from? A woman. Just as the fact of a miracle is evidence that a God is at work, the-divinity-came-from-a God facts in these stories were evidence that the godman was different from a regular human.
TheThordir 1 year ago
This video is very good,although it seems to be from a secular/atheist perspective, I am a former Christian and a New Muslim and In Islam all of these misconceptions about Jesus are cleared up, first of all he was not born on Dec. 25 he was born in the summer, he never claimed to be God but others made that claim about him long after he was gone, Jesus was a Muslim and his teachings were altered by the Roman Pagans at the council of Nicaea in 325 ad where they voted Jesus to officially be a God
KilluminatiMujahad 1 year ago
@KilluminatiMujahad yes i agree
salemslot777 1 year ago
@KilluminatiMujahad Jesus wasn't a Muslim, he was a Jew lol That's why he said to obey the commandments of the Hebrew god. Islam appeared 300yrs later.
Anyhow all the religions are based upon older myths and are all flawed.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 Your understanding of a Muslim may be one who is a follower of Muhammad(pbuh), but a Muslim is someone who submits their will to God. That fits perfectly with the description of Jesus(pbuh) and the rest of the prophets.
With that said, I challenge you to bring up the myths that Islam is based on.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah I accept that in a sense although Jesus was born a Jew and did say to follow the Hebrew commandments.
The Koran shares many parables and myths of the Torah which is in turn based upon older myths. For eg, Noahs Ark is a version of an Egyptian myth.
See:- HyperHistory for a little of this info
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 This has been found to be later than the Torah accounts. ie. Refuted.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah ? That makes no sense... The Egyptian myth came first, and there are many other myths that became some of the stories of the Torah and them the Koran.
The Koran shares many stories with the Torah.
Look into it, you'll find it to be true.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 The length of time a civilization with a story existed does not make it true. I have read many historical and archeological publications to see what people in history thought about religion. I have never seen anyone who has any convincing case regarding the flood story. Can you show me one?
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah ? I don't find any of them convincing. If there was a worldwide flood they'd be evidence of it.
Never the less the point I was making was that the Torah and Koran share these myths
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 Can you name one credible historian who has made these allegations?
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah I'm sure many historians know of this but for eg the Noah story is told in another version, the Babylonian text "The Epic of Galgamesh"
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 I have read about it. It is known to have existed since about 2500 BC, although the Genesis account is later(thought to be written by Moses). However, the event being recorded by Genesis did not take place concurrently with its writing. The event too was far older than it's recording, which is about the same age as the writing found.
I would not conclude that Genesis copied from "The Epic of Gilgamesh." They(The Epic, and the event concerning Noah) are about the same period.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah Galgamesh is in turn a version of much older Sumerian poems and there is also an older Egyptian version though i can't remember or find it at the moment.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 I would sure like to know when you find it.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah The Egyptian myth:- sun god Ra, feared that people were going to overthrow him. He sent the Hathor, who was his eye, to punish the people. She killed so many that their blood, flowing into the Nile River and the ocean, caused a flood. Hathor drank the bloody water. Feeling things had gone too far, Ra ordered slaves make a lake of beer, dyed red to look like blood. Hathor drank the beer, became drunk, and failed to finish wiping out humanity. The survivors started the human race anew.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 I'm sure that you too can see that this story is clearly different from 'The Epic' and the story of Noah.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah There is a character like Noah in the myth who Ra chooses to carry on the human race. This was years before the Hebrew myth, and although its not the same it illustrates how myths are carried and changed by other cultures. They can't all be the chosen race can they? Which god was responsible for the flood? If this happened before then why weren't the Hebrews wiped out?
My point is the Torah and Koran share many parables and myth which in turn also in many cases have older origins.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 I know what your point it. I just don't think that in the Egyptian myth, it has tangible resemblance to the Genesis story.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah There are a number of myth that share similarities. These ones were just to illustrate:- god subjecting man to a worldwide flood - only chosen are saved, has had many versions.
Likewise the Koran had the same Myths as the Torah, although a different culture has adopted them and changed them slightly, as did the Hebrews with Egyptian myth as did Paul with Mithra&Jesus
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@webdawah Mithra was born of rock, Jesus of virgin, they are different but you see a relationship with these. Wouldn't it be arrogant not to also see the relationship between the older myths and those of the old testament/Koran?
See:- Pagan Mythology and the Bible
by Garry K. Brantley, M.A., M.Div.
No religion is pure, and they are all the work of man
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 "Mithra was born of rock, Jesus of virgin..." I don't see a relationship in these, the relationship is in the phraseology and practice.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah The general idea is the same, but one culture took it and adapted it.
Christianity/Islam/Judaism, these religions share stories&myths but have adapted them within different cultures.
You can't endorse this Vid if you can't see the relationship between other pagan myths and the main religions & the relationship between the main religions themselves. Either you are subjective or you just want to discredit Christianity.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 I think there is a limit to which one can stretch similarities. Some are very evident, and some are assumed just because. I am not trying to discredit Christianity, but show that some things are clearly not originally teachings of Jesus, if you watch the video again.
webdawah 1 year ago
@webdawah I understand, its interesting that the gospel of thomas is probably one of the only original existing texts yet its not recognized, and I do agree with much of your vid. However if you research the old testament you'll find its not clean cut, the exodus is not is as written and myths were borrowed and changed. People told stories to others and re-told them and they became their stories and so on and cultures came together or started anew
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 For someone who thinks they know so much your quite ignorant bro, Islam means peace attained through submitting your will to God, a Muslim is one who has attained peace by having submitted to God. Mohamed pbuh did not bring a new religion and neither did Jesus nor any other prophet, they all taught the same thing, to submit ones will to God and achieve peace, we call this in Arabic Islam. Dont get caught up in linguistics. from the time of Adam all the prophets were literally Muslim
KilluminatiMujahad 1 year ago
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MegaJay79 1 year ago
@KilluminatiMujahad I wasn't commenting on views of God so meant no offence.(I happen to believe in God but don't believe in any religion) Never the less there are three main religions that don't agree on all things but who do share certain myths
some of which have older origins, such as adam&eve, Noah etc.
See : Gary Greenberg - Bible Myth and History
MegaJay79 1 year ago
Which version of the Bible did you take the passages from? So many versions out these days, some more true to the original intent of the writers.
ytviewer46 1 year ago
@ytviewer46 ESJ English Standard Version
webdawah 1 year ago
I was surprised in college to hear that Mithra(s) was the patron god of the Roman legions, and "transmogrified" into Jesus. There is a passage in the Bible (don't know which and it wasn't quoted in the class at the time) which identifies Jesus as a warrior figure, holding a shield and sword.
ytviewer46 1 year ago
@ytviewer46
Alexander (he died in 332 BC, but no one knew. It took a long time for folks to realize what year it was. This just goes to show how much smarter we are than the ancients) was the son of the king's wife Olympias, and the God Zeus Ammon, conceived by a thunderbolt. >>
(Kind of reminds you of Herodotus and Apis, huh? Funny, you never hear believing scholars bloviate on how the stories of Apis' and Alexander's births developed independently. I wonder why that is.)
TheThordir 1 year ago
G-d was not the slayer though... What is the name given?
What's really facinating about your video, is that..with willingness..we can see the "aura" of a global shared knowledge. Maybe the Babel Tower is not as allegorical after all.
Words, their origin..as far back...ah! what a treasure trove. I am sure the Hebrews would be appalled to know that Adonai...a most intimate and reverent address to the Creator comes from Adonis, also called: The Lord.
asachildtobecome 1 year ago
No such thing as a trinity? How did you come to this realization?
Bonzo321 1 year ago
Modern day christianity is paganized. True followers of Yeshua know that he was not born on Dec 25th, he was not crucified on a cross (it was a stake), Paul was a false apostle, self appointed (there are only 12) who is leading the christian church astray by his writings, some of the new testament books contains many errors, I do not accept Paul's writings because they contradict Yeshua's teachings, there is no such thing as Trinity and Yeshua is the son of Yahweh, not Yahweh.
wheatandtares 2 years ago
What's the drumming/music track please, webawah? Greta vid, by the way! :)
aldwynsdaughter 2 years ago
It's something I found on my computer. Not really sure how it got there, but it is tagged "African Drums."
webdawah 2 years ago
How was Jesus birthday dec 25??? Mary couldn't have had a baby in the winter.
hamid954 2 years ago 2
Exactly...that is when it is celebrated though. December 25th was originally the birthday of Mithras...
JBlueMast 2 years ago
Hamid, first it is not Jesus and not Mary. Common, the Arabic is the closest to Aramaic of all the languages known in the west. Miryam and Yahoshua do sound more familiar to the Arabic instead of the hellenized version we are getting today. And it was indeed not winter...Constantine the great invented that he was a Mithraist and amalgamated diverse forms of paganery to come up with christianity! So, to me when some one talks about christ birth as dec 25th I say "o, yes. they mean Mithra" ;)
YahSedQanu 2 years ago
it wasnt. christians are pagan in everything they do
bigmoney714 2 years ago
in that place is not very cold in winter
405mikey91 2 years ago
against this statement made by the prophet in the "old" testament
Ex 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
To add... there is no better example of a Pauline statement then the statement I quoted from 1timothy 3:16. It is doesn´t even follow the logic of Yahoshua nor the style of thinking characteristic for hebrews. Remember that the hebrew society was an agricultural society!
Samayoch~Abiyah
Baht Yahosheph Baht Syon
YahSedQanu 2 years ago
I disagree...the hebrew toughtform is not philosophil but practical.. where te letters you mentioned are thoroughly based on greek poetry and philosophy...the 1cor11 statement shows clear traces of Mithraism...
then there is this statement
3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1tim 3:16)
YahSedQanu 2 years ago
i don't see what the point is for you to show that a jewish person would wright in the herbrew poetic style or that they can be translated back into aramaic which was the common languange in the region is ment to prove. aramaic didn't get replased untill the muslim era in the mid-east.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
so is christianity
TheEvolver311 2 years ago 3
i posted a video response. tell me what you think. i also posted it in response to your response. lol. by stronzo5. salaam alaikum. :) im not a muslim, i just like saying that. im a wiccan. have a nice day, brother.
taliesin939939 2 years ago
I think it is rather your god who is getting an education. You think that the 'education' of christians regarding the bs of their religon will end there? Think again chief. Islam is next. Going to take a level of violence with the Muslims that it doesn't take with christians, but the job is in progress nonetheless. Just remember this, the best laid plans of mice and men many times come to naught. The Muslims plot, but there are others who have been plotting for far longer. Have a nice day.
melervious 3 years ago
Like I said, there's nothing you or anyone can do to stop Islam. You keep talking about violence as if it's one sided. You will live and die, and generations after you will not see the end of Islam, because that end will never come. Get over it.
webdawah 3 years ago
if you cannot see how wrong your statement is then i suggest you go and find me a active temple of athena, or house of osiris, religions come and go, but tend to last for a while. islam its self replaced the various polytheistic faiths that mohammad and his family practiced untill he invented islam and conquerored the region.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
1.7 billion people did not worship Osiris. Islam is more than a dogma.
webdawah 2 years ago
that is a silly statement 1.7 billion people didn't exist back then, only like 10,000,000 humans world wide. Osiris was the most popular goddess cult in all of the mediteranean, north africa, middle east so im sure quite a few did worship her.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
...worship her based on what?
webdawah 2 years ago
archeology, isis shrines all over the place
also historians of the age, it was the most popular egyptian cult "internationally"
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
No. I asked you what was the basis of the worship? What is the doctrine, what is the practice?
webdawah 2 years ago
she was the virgin mother goddess worshipped in a trinity of osiris,isis, amun.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
all islam can be is dogma, as one cannot consider his/her self muslim unless you follow a strict dogmatic code.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
What was the basis of the worship? What is the doctrine, what is the practice?
Don't evade the question.
webdawah 2 years ago
i'd hate to say this , but go get a book on it. thats what i do, and im not going to go do your studing for you.
its a very long and complex answer, but a answer you can go and read for yourself.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
Apparently, you don't have the answer. It's not wise to put two dissimilar religions in the same category.
webdawah 2 years ago
whatever im not going to educate you on the subject.
i wasn't comparing the dogma but the promonence. you simply cannot refute that because it is a archeological fact.
islam is more of a rip off of judaism,christianity,zoroastrianism, and arab pagan cults.
but all of the other 3 are variations on paganism aswell
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
wow, you just like to force your outstanding bullsh*t all over youtube i see... what a reputation you have planned for yourself
TheEvolver311. Luckily many are smart enough to at least have the information for themself instead of listen to you ... well, goodmorrow and don't hit the ground too hard when you fall...
Necromantius 2 years ago
wow, you just like to force your outstanding bullsh*t all over youtube i see... what a reputation you have planned for yourself
go get a life, your a losser if youtube means that much to you.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
I'm not asking for you to educate anyone, but yourself. You seem to put religion in the same category, which is your first problem. Everything else is an addition to that inextricable flaw.
webdawah 2 years ago
haha your outburst is rather entertaining. im sure you must be annoyed, but no you are not that important as you make yourself out to be, im definitely not following you. the video was obviously interesting material, and i can't help but notice you enjoy to please with such grace... (note sarcasm)
Necromantius 2 years ago
And u guys scream and shout when muslims fuck up your buildings and take hundreds of lives? just remember us muslims have a guide and the creater is the best planner over all things,so to plan like we know already is no surprise we are most certainly here 2 stay if u like it or not.the pagan inspired first crusade they wiped out hundreds of thousands of muslims but we endured and rised again until the last days believe we are everywhere on this planet
ryukenb2k 3 years ago
You do not perceive it. Your god is a dead man, just as the one the Christians worship is a dead man. That was the beginning of the end for the lot of you. Stay calm my friend. Your religious vanity will get you through, but you are already defeated.
melervious 3 years ago
My God does not posses the qualities of man. Get educated.
webdawah 3 years ago
I guess u are still playing that same old jazz man,get over your dislike of islamaphobia LOL
ryukenb2k 3 years ago
And practice very very diligently, because the same devil that is currently and very efficiently putting Christianity out of business is coming after you. And the same methods your so-called 'radcials' use to convert, is going to be used to take the very life out of Islam. Already happening. The juvenile calculations of your spiritual leaders and Imams will not be enough to save your religion. The Persians invented chess, but alas, they are not the masters of it.
melervious 3 years ago
There's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop Islam.
webdawah 3 years ago
LOL THATS GOING DOWN TO IN THE FUTURE. SO I T IS WRITTEN IN THE TALMUD OF JMMANUEL AND IN THE PHOENIX JOURNAL. YEA THERE IS MORE THRUTH THAT CHRISTAINS DONT DISPLAY BUT DONT SLEEP ON IT HOMMIE. THERE JUST AS EVIL AND BS!!!hehe
antigame12 3 years ago
I see capitals and i press "spam".
lardhat 2 years ago
webdawah,
The ONLY thing that is making Islam strong is liberalism. Kill every liberals on earth, then Islam will be stopped dead in its tracks.
WyattKaldenberg 3 years ago
How much more insular can you get? Somehow you think that everything in the world revolves around values of Americans.
webdawah 3 years ago
This is certainly an interesting video, but why do you not speak of the intention of your own heart? You know exactly what I speak of. Your desire like all Muslims to convert. Do you know who Ghengis Khan was? Do your honework, study history and study well the hisotry of Ghengis Khan's dealins with Mohammed. Do this and you will learn the future fate of all those devoted to converting others to Islam.Violence, subterfuge and lies were not invented by Muslims, so I suggest you and yours practice.
melervious 3 years ago
"Violence, subterfuge and lies..." Can you tell me where you came across these in the Qur'an or Sunnah as a way to convert?
webdawah 3 years ago
get your facts right ghengis never even met mankinds prophet peace be upon him? but he had muslim name?its not conversion this is the dumb invading europeans word,its reverting back.true muslims to and do good deeds and people become muslims not by using force because that is not written in the qur'an to use compulsion.we are not all brainwashed to blowup idiots who hate muslims,u blow our wives and children then payback is will come back on u,but peace must prevail.
ryukenb2k 3 years ago
IRANIAN are not arabs and MITHRAS is an old iranian GOD mitra or new persian called MEHR means in today persian 1: LOVE 2: SUN
Fravahar 3 years ago
understand howmany roman emperors were mithraist LIKE JULIAN the apostate the nephew of constantin who followed him as roman emperor
Fravahar 3 years ago
Oh and none of the other pagan Gods you mentioned had any system of dying for mankind or vicarious atonement.This video is so wrong it is a shame.
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
The main figures (Mithras, Jesus) shed blood for the atonement of mankind, did not literally die, but symbolically. One religion obviously copied the other.
webdawah 3 years ago
Mithras did not die for any kind of atonement.Some inscription mention him killing a bull-but nothind about sacrifice or atonement.
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
The bull slaying was for atonement, the same shedding of blood for sins of his followers.
webdawah 3 years ago
//The bull slaying was for atonement//
What evidence? From what I read the bull slaying was to release the life-force or something like this
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
The 'bull slaying' is for atonement, I wonder what you are reading.
webdawah 3 years ago
I wonder what you are reading. David Ulansey: The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras. says it was to release life-force.
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
When a Christian drinks wine(as in the eucharist), is it not in commemoration of Jesus' atonement? This already existed in Mithraism.
webdawah 3 years ago
The Logos(Wisdom) and the representation of Yahweh as a Lion are JEWISH, not pagan concepts that predate Christianity and Mithras by many years also.
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
Does the Jewish representation have a bee coming out of it's mouth and a star on it's back? I think not.
webdawah 3 years ago
I'm sorry byt I've never seen a Christian representation of the Lion of judah-with a bee or a star.
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
No one said it was Christian, that is a Chaldean representation of the Word coming out of the mouth of God, as was outlined by John 1: 1-4
webdawah 3 years ago
You are implying this, are you not? Is not the point of your video to cast aspersion on the Christian faith based on the teachings of Mithraism?
Why are you using a blatantly incorrect interpretation of John 1:1-4 (from anyone, Chaldean or not) in your arguement? Have you read this passage? Does John 1:1-4 say anything about "the Word coming out of the mouth of God?" Jews don't believe that the NT is scripture...why quote them to explain your point?
I'm trying to follow you, but...yikes.
stronzo5785 3 years ago
I did not cast aspersion on Christianity, you may feel so since you are yet unsuccessful in refuting the arguments. I never said anything about Jews beleiveing in the NT. The Word/Logos/Dabar are representations of the same thing; God. This concept just exists in one religion before the other. If the Word did not come out of the mouth of God, from where did it emanate?
webdawah 3 years ago
Ha-ha .Mithraism post-dates Paul and Jesus by many years.The 1st inscription we have is dated too 66AD and it is not attested as a cult until 90AD.Paul died in 62-64Ad.Unless Paul could see into the future......
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
Sorry, but you were misinformed. Mithras dates back to about 3000 years B.C.E.
webdawah 3 years ago
That's Persian Mithras-not Roman Mithras (they are 2 separate entities).The Mithras cult in rome did not get started till after 66AD
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
Where did Roman Mithras start from?
Mithraism infiltrated Rome as early as 66 B.C.
webdawah 3 years ago
//Mithraism infiltrated Rome as early as 66 B.C.//
What evidence do you have for this?
The earliest inscription we have is dated to 66Ad and it is not attested as a cult until 90Ad.
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
I have provided my evidence time and again. To say that Christianity predates Mithraism, is be deceitful.
webdawah 3 years ago
You are mixing up BC (Before Christ) with AD (Anno Domini, Latin for "Year of our Lord")...120 years difference, as I reckon.
stronzo5785 3 years ago
Why do I have to repeat myself? Mithraism was in Rome as early as 66 B.C. Even Plutarch agrees with this- Mithras, the secret God by M.J. Vermaseren.
Mithras: The Fellow in the Cap by E. W. Tyson pp 47.
Beyond Damascus- A Biography of Paul the Tarsian. by F.A. Spencer pp. 44.
webdawah 3 years ago
Edwin M. Yamauchi, Ph.D (often called the "scholar's scholar) says, "Mithraism as a mystery religion cannot be attested before about AD 90, which is about the time we see a Mithraic motif in a poem by Statius. No Mithraea [or Mithraic temples] have been found at Pompeii, which was destroyed by the eruption of Vesuvius in AD 79. The earliest Mithraic inscription in the West is a statue of a prefect under the emporer Trajan in AD 101... The vast majority of [mithraic] texts are dated after AD 140
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
Did you read this book, or did you copy and paste from 'ethicalatheist' website? I have not read this book, but I have read books that quote earlier historians such as Plutrach, who attests to the fact that captiives brought into the Roman Empire were already acquainted and practicing Mithraism. This happened around 66 B.C.
webdawah 3 years ago
Your source from Plutarch, please...
stronzo5785 3 years ago
I have listed up to three people who used Plutarch as reference.
webdawah 3 years ago
FA Spencer published his work in 1934. Cite the exact quote that backs up your thesis, inline, for all of us to see...
Who is E.W. Tyson? Do you mean Esme. Wynne-Tyson?
M.J. Vermaseren was a student of Cumont, who, unfortunately for you, came to the same conclusion as his mentor.
In the early 70's the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies concluded that there were no parallels for Mithraism in Christianity, let alone the two types of Mithraism. They let it drop...your turn.
stronzo5785 3 years ago