Ha ha - she wouldn't want to be a smelly Rhino-saver or Walrus-saver in cold polar circle regions... Cuddly lions and cheetahs in sunny Africa - that's more like it!
Bailey is a Senior Editor at Reason and author of several well respected books on biology and climate change. And while he argues that biotechnology has the potential for betterment of mankind, by ridding us of disease, disability and threat of early death. He has railed against eugenics based elements often enough support he is not a "clandestine" Eugenicist.
Stating opposition to eugenics = cannot possibly be eugenicist?
Don't think so.
You need to think a few steps ahead. Bailey advocates "libertarian transhumanism", which basically is people using the free market to enhance their genetics. Ever seen the movie Gattaca? That's what would happen. You would have a class of self-described "superior" humans, that would systematically discriminate against the non-enhanced class, and slowly attempt to eliminate them. Eugenics.
I have never seen this within his speeches or writing. You may be confusing his style and personal belief system, with sinister motives -- that are also non-apparent. Notwithstanding, if your position were accurate such could hardly be considered "clandestine" activity if evident.
Perhaps you haven't read "Transhumanism and the Limits of Democracy", a paper presented by Bailey which is available on reason's website. In this paper, he clearly states his support for the transhumanist movement. This being the case, the reason I have for calling him a clandestine eugenicist, is that he refuses to call himself one and is not recognized nor exposed as one, though his philosophy is ideologically congruous to positive eugenics.
@CharlesHorman: "...the reason I have for calling him a clandestine eugenicist, is that he refuses to call himself one and is not recognized nor exposed as one, though his philosophy is ideologically congruous to positive eugenics."
You're reading waaaay too much into that article; biotechnological liberty being far and away different than Eugenics. Biotechnological liberty is not "congruous to positive eugenics" as you purport, and why Bailey cannot be (and is not) considered a Eugenicist!
@CharlesHorman "Reason Magazine is affiliated with Ronald Bailey (reason's science correspondent), a prominent yet clandestine eugenicist."
Hopefully Ronald Bailey or his representative will this post. If you're lying, then maybe your remarks could be construed as libel. If your telling the truth, then you have nothing to worry about.
I don't like my money going to foreign countries period. Don't get me wrong I don't want to see endangered animals go extinct as I am a member of PETA (People who Eat Tasty Animals). If we let animals go extinct there won't be any to eat. There are plenty of endangered animals here in America. Who's to say they will let us eat any of they're tasty animals if ours go extinct?
@Wormtail81 Yes, I know. More tongue in cheek than anything. I too get sick of all the frivolous spending weather it be in some foreign country or in my own city, but It is either laugh and fight or cry and fight, I choose to laugh and fight that's all.
I'm all for saving lions and cheetas, tigers and bears--and let's be honest: 5 Mil isn't even on the radar at the Federal level. The toilets in the pentagon probably cost at least that much (wink wink i.e. there is much bigger bacon to fry) But this video contained a metric fuckton of funnay anyway.
@nominalvelocity I understand your point, but you've got to break out of that mindset. The frivolous money adds up. And if you're not outraged enough to speak out against this behavior, then every other dirty politician takes it as silent consent. The time for "eh that's politics" is over. We need to take back this country and save it from itself. The line in the sand must be drawn!!
@BlueRonin44 My grandma used to have a saying "count the pennies and the dollars count themselves", a wise enough parable.
Still, when you've got a leaky dyke, the logical approach is to tackle the largest holes first--and that's the reason I can't get worked up about this. This leak and (and others like it) is infinitesimal next to many others, even if you add them up.
When we get Medicare to stop hemorrhaging billions of dollars every year to *scammers*, I'll start to care a little bit more.
The world's big cat population is quickly dwindling. But I guess the demise of these marvelous predators isn't going fast enough to please the folks at ReasonTV. Your focus should be on the nepotism not on the recipients of these funds. But, let us compromise. Contact Rep. Rogers and suggest the funds would be better spent by giving them to bigcatrescuedotorg of Tampa Florida, USA. Big cats are helped, nepotism cancelled. When faced with a problem offer a solution, don't just snipe.
@MusicEqualsMemories "The world's big cat population is quickly dwindling. But I guess the demise of these marvelous predators isn't going fast enough to please the folks at ReasonTV. " So we can see what your preferences about big cats are. Do you believe you can force others to donate to a cause you favor?
We did not hire this government to take care of wildlife in Africa. You can donate to wildlife funds if you want to, using your own cash, but leave our wallets alone.
@TheLegalImmigrant05: Did the word 'force' appear in my comment? No. Did I ask for a donation? No. I suggested a compromise that would help the environment and the U.S. economy and defeats nepotism. I stated a problem and 'SUGGESTED' a solution. ReasonTV, stated a problem, made no recommendations to solve it, made no suggestions that would benefit all concerned, but did male childish snide remarks worthy of a liberal not a libertarian.
@TheLegalImmigrant05: Never in the history of the world have people been given a choice about how their governments spends their tax dollars. As to giving taxpayer money to wildlife preservation group, why not. Do we not use the environment for our own benefits? Every bit of food you digest comes from the environment. Man does not create environments. He can change it, manipulate it, he can even abuse it but he can never create it.
@MusicEqualsMemories "Never in the history of the world have people been given a choice about how their governments spends their tax dollars. As to giving taxpayer money to wildlife preservation group, why not. " And you call yourself a libertarian why, exactly? :)
@TheLegalImmigrant05: If you know of an example please provide it. I don't apply labels to myself. My thinking isn't so rigid as to be pigeon holed by somebody who applies labels and then makes generalizations based on that label. Oh and btw, if I did elect to consider myself a libertarian, that is MY right. Your opinion matters not one whit and I don't require YOUR permission to do anything. Nor do I have to explain myself to you.
@MusicEqualsMemories Just because something has gone on forever, doesn't make it good or moral, and doesn't have I must support it.
If you want to redefine what libertarian means, sure, why not. Neither do you have to explain yourself to me or anyone else. Just as I can consider myself a world famous violinist - sadly, it doesn't make it so.
@TheLegalImmigrant05: Did I say the system was good or moral? No. Did I say you should support that system? No. Did I attempt to redefine libertarianism? No. I was commenting on what I considered to be an ill conceived and poorly done video. My 'agenda' was to suggest we need less snide petty remarks and more concrete ideas. This video is about a case of attempted nepotism (which never actually took place). Glad you have been entertained. So long.
Here's a possible solution to your problem: find other like-minded people who care about this issue to the same degree you do and pool your own money from your own wallets.
@LowcountryJoe2: A. The issue is nepotism. B. Not a penny of taxpayer funds have gone to this proposal. C. If taxpayers funds are used to help the ecology, I'd rather have them go to U.S. organizations than foreign operations. And D. Nobody asked for a dime from your wallet. I was expressing my opinion about the validity of the video.
@MusicEqualsMemories If saving the $5m in taxpayer was needed so badly, then the grant could have been approved without going through daddy.
But since it was a Representative who has been in office 15 years giving the taxpayer money to his little girl's pet project, a REASONable person would question the necessity of that group or the money. But if you're happy with acts like this in DC, then just keep voting Dem/Rep.
The real issue is that the fact they tax us and have this money in the first place! I'm not defending him but if they didn't have our money they couldn't pull this shit.
@2bRealist Republican or Democrat , most all are the same , they look out for their own at the cost that we are stuck with and a benefit we will never see.
(two headed beast controlled by the men behind the vault doors.)
The US needs a constitutional amendment that prohibits the government from engaging in any scheme to redistribute wealth. Prohibit spending on anything that is not essential to the execution of its basic constitutional duties. The politicians who sign a bill of waste like this should be held personally responsible for repayment of the funds.
...Why do I always "like" ReasonTV videos when the contents of the videos make my blood boil? I mean I "like" ReasonTV and what they are doing, but I "dislike" every porker of the month video due to its content. I am so confused : /
rich man, do something worthwhile like helping the poor.
felpaluche 2 months ago
What a perfect job for a porker Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee
FRSFreeStateNow 1 year ago
I want hair like that
blackh2o1 1 year ago
I am sad that this man is from the same state as I am.
BoredomTown 1 year ago
congressman = dirtbag
Aeronomer 1 year ago
That's guy's a big cheetah, & I'm not lion!
jimmmmie 1 year ago 4
Wow, what an asshole.
No further comment.
NoNameC68 1 year ago
"You ain't lion... cheetah"
PLooBzor 1 year ago
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHEETAHZ?!?! OH MY GODDDDD THE CHEEEEETAAAAHHHHZZZZ! SOMEBODY HELP THEM PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZ!!!
Beethovens7th 1 year ago
Ha ha - she wouldn't want to be a smelly Rhino-saver or Walrus-saver in cold polar circle regions... Cuddly lions and cheetahs in sunny Africa - that's more like it!
grraadd 1 year ago 2
@grraadd Or how about saving starving children in her own goddamn country? $5m would be a lot of sandwiches.
BlueRonin44 1 year ago
Fire them all.
freebob3 1 year ago
These people need to be hung on the White House Lawn
tkdhav 1 year ago
Reason Magazine is affiliated with Ronald Bailey (reason's science correspondent), a prominent yet clandestine eugenicist. Have a nice day.
CharlesHorman 1 year ago
@CharlesHorman i'm a libertarian affiliated with socialists... what's your point?
areosis 1 year ago
@areosis
cool, are you also associated with neonazis?
CharlesHorman 1 year ago
@CharlesHorman: "...Ronald Bailey (reason's science correspondent), a prominent yet clandestine eugenicist."
Bailey is a Senior Editor at Reason and author of several well respected books on biology and climate change. And while he argues that biotechnology has the potential for betterment of mankind, by ridding us of disease, disability and threat of early death. He has railed against eugenics based elements often enough support he is not a "clandestine" Eugenicist.
Please get a clue!
PoliticallyBlazed 1 year ago
@PoliticallyBlazed
Stating opposition to eugenics = cannot possibly be eugenicist?
Don't think so.
You need to think a few steps ahead. Bailey advocates "libertarian transhumanism", which basically is people using the free market to enhance their genetics. Ever seen the movie Gattaca? That's what would happen. You would have a class of self-described "superior" humans, that would systematically discriminate against the non-enhanced class, and slowly attempt to eliminate them. Eugenics.
CharlesHorman 1 year ago
@CharlesHorman: "Bailey advocates `libertarian transhumanism...'"
I have never seen this within his speeches or writing. You may be confusing his style and personal belief system, with sinister motives -- that are also non-apparent. Notwithstanding, if your position were accurate such could hardly be considered "clandestine" activity if evident.
PoliticallyBlazed 1 year ago
@PoliticallyBlazed
Perhaps you haven't read "Transhumanism and the Limits of Democracy", a paper presented by Bailey which is available on reason's website. In this paper, he clearly states his support for the transhumanist movement. This being the case, the reason I have for calling him a clandestine eugenicist, is that he refuses to call himself one and is not recognized nor exposed as one, though his philosophy is ideologically congruous to positive eugenics.
CharlesHorman 1 year ago
@CharlesHorman: "...the reason I have for calling him a clandestine eugenicist, is that he refuses to call himself one and is not recognized nor exposed as one, though his philosophy is ideologically congruous to positive eugenics."
You're reading waaaay too much into that article; biotechnological liberty being far and away different than Eugenics. Biotechnological liberty is not "congruous to positive eugenics" as you purport, and why Bailey cannot be (and is not) considered a Eugenicist!
PoliticallyBlazed 1 year ago
@CharlesHorman Nice try. Don't conflate the eugenics of Margaret Sanger with what this guy is talking about.
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@TheLegalImmigrant05
Nice try? Do you have anything intelligent to articulate? You haven't addressed any of my points; You only dismissed my central claim.
CharlesHorman 1 year ago
@CharlesHorman "Reason Magazine is affiliated with Ronald Bailey (reason's science correspondent), a prominent yet clandestine eugenicist."
Hopefully Ronald Bailey or his representative will this post. If you're lying, then maybe your remarks could be construed as libel. If your telling the truth, then you have nothing to worry about.
BlueRonin44 1 year ago
HOLY SMOKES!!! That guy has a lot of nerve funneling $5 million to an organization his daughter manages grants for. Surely that is illegal!
Wormtail81 1 year ago 10
I don't like my money going to foreign countries period. Don't get me wrong I don't want to see endangered animals go extinct as I am a member of PETA (People who Eat Tasty Animals). If we let animals go extinct there won't be any to eat. There are plenty of endangered animals here in America. Who's to say they will let us eat any of they're tasty animals if ours go extinct?
62636263c 1 year ago
@62636263c Protectionism is not the point.
Wormtail81 1 year ago
@Wormtail81 Yes, I know. More tongue in cheek than anything. I too get sick of all the frivolous spending weather it be in some foreign country or in my own city, but It is either laugh and fight or cry and fight, I choose to laugh and fight that's all.
62636263c 1 year ago 2
@62636263c at least you are choosing to fight, props for that.
jamesuslovesu 1 year ago
saving cheetas are one thing. shipping out millions of heard earned american tax money is another...
AgentOrange04 1 year ago 2
I'm all for saving lions and cheetas, tigers and bears--and let's be honest: 5 Mil isn't even on the radar at the Federal level. The toilets in the pentagon probably cost at least that much (wink wink i.e. there is much bigger bacon to fry) But this video contained a metric fuckton of funnay anyway.
Nice.
nominalvelocity 1 year ago
@nominalvelocity I agree with you.
PluripotentBrain 1 year ago
@nominalvelocity I understand your point, but you've got to break out of that mindset. The frivolous money adds up. And if you're not outraged enough to speak out against this behavior, then every other dirty politician takes it as silent consent. The time for "eh that's politics" is over. We need to take back this country and save it from itself. The line in the sand must be drawn!!
BlueRonin44 1 year ago
@BlueRonin44 My grandma used to have a saying "count the pennies and the dollars count themselves", a wise enough parable.
Still, when you've got a leaky dyke, the logical approach is to tackle the largest holes first--and that's the reason I can't get worked up about this. This leak and (and others like it) is infinitesimal next to many others, even if you add them up.
When we get Medicare to stop hemorrhaging billions of dollars every year to *scammers*, I'll start to care a little bit more.
nominalvelocity 1 year ago
The world's big cat population is quickly dwindling. But I guess the demise of these marvelous predators isn't going fast enough to please the folks at ReasonTV. Your focus should be on the nepotism not on the recipients of these funds. But, let us compromise. Contact Rep. Rogers and suggest the funds would be better spent by giving them to bigcatrescuedotorg of Tampa Florida, USA. Big cats are helped, nepotism cancelled. When faced with a problem offer a solution, don't just snipe.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
@MusicEqualsMemories "The world's big cat population is quickly dwindling. But I guess the demise of these marvelous predators isn't going fast enough to please the folks at ReasonTV. " So we can see what your preferences about big cats are. Do you believe you can force others to donate to a cause you favor?
We did not hire this government to take care of wildlife in Africa. You can donate to wildlife funds if you want to, using your own cash, but leave our wallets alone.
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@TheLegalImmigrant05: Did the word 'force' appear in my comment? No. Did I ask for a donation? No. I suggested a compromise that would help the environment and the U.S. economy and defeats nepotism. I stated a problem and 'SUGGESTED' a solution. ReasonTV, stated a problem, made no recommendations to solve it, made no suggestions that would benefit all concerned, but did male childish snide remarks worthy of a liberal not a libertarian.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
@MusicEqualsMemories You are proposing giving taxpayer money to a wildlife preservation group. How is that libertarian, exactly?
Taxing people and then using their money without their consent IS force.
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@TheLegalImmigrant05: Never in the history of the world have people been given a choice about how their governments spends their tax dollars. As to giving taxpayer money to wildlife preservation group, why not. Do we not use the environment for our own benefits? Every bit of food you digest comes from the environment. Man does not create environments. He can change it, manipulate it, he can even abuse it but he can never create it.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
@MusicEqualsMemories "Never in the history of the world have people been given a choice about how their governments spends their tax dollars. As to giving taxpayer money to wildlife preservation group, why not. " And you call yourself a libertarian why, exactly? :)
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@TheLegalImmigrant05: If you know of an example please provide it. I don't apply labels to myself. My thinking isn't so rigid as to be pigeon holed by somebody who applies labels and then makes generalizations based on that label. Oh and btw, if I did elect to consider myself a libertarian, that is MY right. Your opinion matters not one whit and I don't require YOUR permission to do anything. Nor do I have to explain myself to you.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
@MusicEqualsMemories Just because something has gone on forever, doesn't make it good or moral, and doesn't have I must support it.
If you want to redefine what libertarian means, sure, why not. Neither do you have to explain yourself to me or anyone else. Just as I can consider myself a world famous violinist - sadly, it doesn't make it so.
Keep going though, you are very entertaining.
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@TheLegalImmigrant05 "doesn't have I must support it" = "doesn't MEAN have I must support it"
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@TheLegalImmigrant05: Did I say the system was good or moral? No. Did I say you should support that system? No. Did I attempt to redefine libertarianism? No. I was commenting on what I considered to be an ill conceived and poorly done video. My 'agenda' was to suggest we need less snide petty remarks and more concrete ideas. This video is about a case of attempted nepotism (which never actually took place). Glad you have been entertained. So long.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
@MusicEqualsMemories
Here's a possible solution to your problem: find other like-minded people who care about this issue to the same degree you do and pool your own money from your own wallets.
LowcountryJoe2 1 year ago
@LowcountryJoe2 Bingo.
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
@LowcountryJoe2: A. The issue is nepotism. B. Not a penny of taxpayer funds have gone to this proposal. C. If taxpayers funds are used to help the ecology, I'd rather have them go to U.S. organizations than foreign operations. And D. Nobody asked for a dime from your wallet. I was expressing my opinion about the validity of the video.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
@MusicEqualsMemories If saving the $5m in taxpayer was needed so badly, then the grant could have been approved without going through daddy.
But since it was a Representative who has been in office 15 years giving the taxpayer money to his little girl's pet project, a REASONable person would question the necessity of that group or the money. But if you're happy with acts like this in DC, then just keep voting Dem/Rep.
BlueRonin44 1 year ago
@BlueRonin44: No money went anywhere. It was proposed. A non story.
MusicEqualsMemories 1 year ago
The real issue is that the fact they tax us and have this money in the first place! I'm not defending him but if they didn't have our money they couldn't pull this shit.
bajoverga 1 year ago
Is this guy a Republican?.. doesn't sound like it.. he would be trying to conserve oil ceo's instead of lions O_o
2bRealist 1 year ago
@2bRealist Republican or Democrat , most all are the same , they look out for their own at the cost that we are stuck with and a benefit we will never see.
(two headed beast controlled by the men behind the vault doors.)
HolisticPlantHealth 1 year ago
The US needs a constitutional amendment that prohibits the government from engaging in any scheme to redistribute wealth. Prohibit spending on anything that is not essential to the execution of its basic constitutional duties. The politicians who sign a bill of waste like this should be held personally responsible for repayment of the funds.
XCritonX 1 year ago
...Why do I always "like" ReasonTV videos when the contents of the videos make my blood boil? I mean I "like" ReasonTV and what they are doing, but I "dislike" every porker of the month video due to its content. I am so confused : /
benjaminbartholomew 1 year ago
Hey, I wanted to hear Sinatra sing when "Fly me to the Moon" came on, but you cut him out!
AlexanderLee1 1 year ago
I just love the "You ain't lion, cheetah" line. Couldn't be more cheesy.
jnjnelson 1 year ago 10
All in the family with PRIDE....
marklross2 1 year ago
i would rather protect the wild life than some of the useless wastes of space a lot of elected officials are.. pigs at the trough..
navtel 1 year ago
Governments all over the world have gone broke.
anarchylogic 1 year ago
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PUGS1688 1 year ago