why is every one calling the chinese "chinks" how would you like it if they called us Fat oil hungry pigs while watching our anthem? And if every one hates the Chinese so much than why in Gods name are you watching this video. I love every race and if the whole world would do the same than we would not be hearing of who died in the war every night on the news so grow a pair, live with the changing world, and if you cant do that Piss off
@TheThebarroness Long live China? We'll you're saying "long live" to the wrong country because this is the anthem of Taiwan. The real Chinese are all commies on the mainland.
This is excelent anthem! Very beutifull I am not Chinese or Asian for that matter I am Western European and I never hear such great Chinese anthem is far better than the one from Peoples Republic!
Good lyric! . But the english translation ..means "nothing" much- (Words in chinese has more meaning than the words in english). I am glad i can read chinese !
Looks like those shortsighted CCP officials admitted to taking land illegally in Wukan. A mistake they will continue repeating. It's been a while since they've had any credibility in the eyes of peasants. I feel bad for the peasants they put the CCP in power only to be screwed over by them. They've been mislead ever since Mao took power with his great leap forward stupidity which starved many millions. How many? It's considered state secret but a good sized european country getting wiped off.
I don't think the PLA was called the PLA during the civil war. I think it was called the Red Army. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also I'm not quite sure if Stalin put much faith on them and backed them up initially. He seems to have operated out of his own interest.
@LiouTao I was under the impression that initially supported the KMT. Anyways the links that I sent you seem to indicate he was in it for himself as well. Also the faction that took over which was led by Mao wasn't about to let themselves get ordered around by Moscow. That faction was discredited by their actions and policies as Mao's gradually gained credibility starting with his emphasis on the peasants and the successful escape via the long march.
@redwhitedude KMT never supported the CCP, well, not much. Under agreements with the USSR, the KMT allowed the CCP in their ranks until after Sun died. After Sun died, there was a power struggle, the KMT split into largely 3 camps, rights centres and lefts. The centres merged into the Chiang led rights, the lefts continued to ally with the CCP until the CCP started turning on them.
@LiouTao Actaully that was during WW1 , when everyone were fighting in trenches. During WW2 it was mostly guerrila warfare, frontal confrontations or urban warfare , and some trench warfare.Yes melee refers to mostly bayonets during that period , but seeing as how melee is basically hand to hand , if someone loses their bayonet what's his other method ,with his own bare hands all other weapons. Yeah I thought so too , that the warlord armies were weaker than the PLA.
read up on this article that was pointed out to me
at the epoch times web site look up the title "In taiwan mainland chinese see beacon of democracy".
Basically the ROC is using the reestablishment of direct contacts as a way to show mainland chinese what a civil society whose officials are responsible to the people works. It's a very clever charm campaign on the part of Ma.
@LiouTao The impact that ROC may have on mainland tourist could be unsettling to the authorities in the mainland. Maybe it will push them to demand more say on their affairs back in the mainland or look at the ROC with envy.
@redwhitedude It won't work, because that's not how uprisings and revolutions work. Revolutions happen because the people want change, but unless the people are willing trade their lives to overthrow the government, then it can be easily dispersed. Uprisings happen when people are pushed to the point that their survival is in question, if their lives are not threatened, there will be no uprising. Also, the Chinese culture is very pacifist, it's very difficult for Chinese to revolt
@LiouTao I'm not necessarily advocating a violent overthrow. This could give an impetus on how the mainland may evolve. There are a lot of demonstrations and violence in the mainland because people feel frustrated that officials are ignoring their concerns. Who knows if the people that see taiwan and the benefits of it converge with people who are frustrated that CCP officials are doing whatever they want at their expense come together you never know what will come of it.
@redwhitedude No, there are demonstrations and violence (aka riots) because those people have been pushed to the point of being barely able to feed themselves. If you look at these demonstrations, they're mostly either in rural areas or if in urban areas, by 'lower class' workers. People in the 'upper class' aren't behind these riots, and frankly they're the only ones who can afford to go to Taiwan.
@LiouTao The violence and demonstrations is self inflicted by the CCP. I doubt they can reform to improve the situation. Now for the upper class it remains to be seen if in the long run the way things are being run by the CCP will irritate them too. In the long run as the economy grows more sophisticated the political control has to loosen. It happened in Japan and in Korea but with the CCP I don't know.
@redwhitedude The CCP are masters at controlling the population on holding onto power. The upper class won't try to overthrow the government, simply because they lack the motivations to. There's no reason why they should give up the 'good life'. You also need to understand Chinese culture, the Chinese people is a peaceful one, they will only revolt when they've been suppressed to the point they cannot be suppressed anymore.
@LiouTao I don't know if chinese culture can be considered more peaceful than others. They've had some pretty violent overthrows throughout the last 2000 years because peasant livelihood has been affected. In a way it is no different than others. However the only way they can control the media is to be airtight which china is not unlike north Korea. People have gotten such a slanted view that if they encounter another view they don't believe it. The upper class is doing well now....
@redwhitedude The Chinese people have been one of the most peaceful and gentle societies in the world, but they do not like being bullied. They will not revolt unless they've been pushed to the point where they can't be pushed anymore. That's why the overthrows were so violent, because the Chinese wait until when they have nothing left to lose.
@LiouTao ...and there is a generational thing as well. Right now the upper classes owe their success to the current system. The older generation remembers they days that they didn't have food or even enough clothes to wear so to them all this things might be minor complaints. However as time goes on the older generation dies out and people want to do more than now i.e. they use now as the baseline unlike the previous generation they may get frustrated with the CCP telling them what to think....
@redwhitedude The older generations tend to dislike the CCP more, because they remember the hardships under the CCP. The newer generation tends to take a better liking to the CCP, for obvious reasons. Many of the newer gen has chose to just 'let things flow', they don't care because they're living the good life. This is talking about the upper class, the lower class is a totally different matter, there are dissatisfaction throughout the enter lower class.
@LiouTao Maybe I was misinformed. Anyways I think the more educated and the more progress they make they will become a more fickle crowd. Maybe they'll develop a whole new set of expectations. If you are well to do business person you may be happy about it but you may demand a freer hand in where and how to invest after all it is their money that it is at stake. So we'll have to see how it plays out. On one hand they are better off but on the other red tape and favoratism may read its ugly head.
@redwhitedude The Mainland is corrupt as it can be, the business folks won't care as long as they make money, the government won't care as long as their political grip is stable.
@LiouTao There is a coruption perception index and ease of doing business index. This could certainly put off a lot of businesses if there is corruption. It could deter business from doing business in the mainland. Advanced economies tend to rank high on both these areas but with the way things are going in china they might hit a wall.
@LiouTao Not with every business owner. Also since they want chinese businesses to succeed they may discriminate against foreign businesses as soon as they get what they want. My previous statement about corruption and ease of doing business index is still valid. CCP officials wanting to rake in the money leads to uneven enforcement of laws and regulations which are bound to annoy businesses. They can't possibly give this advantage to everybody.
@LiouTao who says they will be on top forever. You got foreigners complaining about business environment in china. The red tape, the corruption, arbitrary application of laws and regulation. This can't go on forever. You've already heard of cases of bribing officials to reveal bids which invariably means some business owners are going to get shafted. It works nicely if business owners can keep bribing but what if somebody else gives them a bigger bribe?
@redwhitedude The CCP keeps things in check to make sure that THEY are the ones who remain in power, after all, the military is in their control. Foreigners are foreigners, the CCP could care less about foreigners having trouble with business, Chinese companies are more important.
@LiouTao The problem is that the economy is getting more complex and there are going to be many thousands of business people they can't possibly be running the economy the way they have turn it into a contest of who is better connected and has a more money to bribe. They'll end up not satisfying many people. If they have to resort to police force to keep people in line that's an indication that they'll be losing it. Ultimately peasants are not happy, business people are not happy because of this
@redwhitedude They don't have to satisfy all, they just have to satisfy enough. Business people and the lower class are on entirely different levels, it's the lower class who's been left behind, the business owners are all uppers. The business owners don't care as long as they make money, and the rich poor divide grows.
@LiouTao I'm saying that this business of corruption and ease of doing business which mainland China doesn't have good ratings in either one will interfere with businesses and impede them from making money. This will be an issue that will become more prominent as the economy becomes more complex plus with the CCP they way they are. Complaints on two levels one from the lower classes and the other the business owners. Ultimately their is going to be a lot of complaining and possibly disillusion.
@redwhitedude The upper class won't have any complaints, they know better because they can have their business shut down by the CCP if they step out of line. No business = no money. The CCP just acts as a supervisor, it lets the businesses do what they want as long as it fulfills the CCP's own demand.
@LiouTao Great! What if the CCP puts in place policies that shortchanges them to line their pockets. Does this mean they will have to quietly accept the fact as their businesses struggle. Fulfilling the demand of the CCP doesn't mean that they have their own interest. Shutting down business because of objections to policies isn't necessarily the most business friendly environment. To foreigners it might deter them from setting up shop with the knowledge the mainland china covets.
@redwhitedude That's good, foreigners won't try to penetrate mainland markets, meaning it's just mainland markets penetrating foreign markets. The CCP currently only cares about GDP growth, if GDP grows, it means businesses are making money. It's a win win situation.
@LiouTao Well foreigners do have a lot of the knowhow. China is playing catchup. Just looking at stats will be good to a certain point. Then they have to look at quality in which issues that I've pointed out with corruption and ease of doing business become critical. When you are setting up a high tech business these become much more critical than saying setting up a clothing factory. Obviously china doesn't want to be stuck being known for clothes and lowcost goods.
@redwhitedude lol, their hightech goods are just as black as thier lowtechs. They're not gonna be opening up, if anything they'll become a second Japan. And stop saying 'China', say 'PRC'.
@LiouTao ...all the red tape and favoritism. The more educated the people the more they may insist on thinking freely. The more they want to run business without government redtape and corruption that can affect with conflicts of interest due to CCP officials having a hand in business. In the future they may have less villagers but more urban people who may be more fickle and demanding to meet their expectations. This may not lead to overthrow but may clash with CCP offcials who have business.
@redwhitedude The CCP will not let go of power, 1989 Tiananmen showed that. They're willing to relax their grip on anything else, but political power will never be relaxed. All demonstrations demanding political freedom and reforms have all been shut down by the CCP. They're fine with letting economy go free for a bit, but if it starts giving them problems, then they'll take over the economy again.
@LiouTao That's one of the points that I am making. They think that they can keep that sort of control and have the economy develop. Unfortunately for them there is correlation between advanced economy and how the country is being run. If they don't understand that and make the necessary adjustments they will face with more of the same which is demonstrations, riots, and call to loosen up their control. You need to look at the ROC how the KMT liberalized and its advanced economy.
@redwhitedude The KMT has always been moving towards a Democracy, it didn't start with the economic growth, it started from the beginning because that's always been the KMT ideology.
As for the CCP, dun really matter. As long as economy grows, the upper class will be satisfied, but the rich poor divide will continue to grow and eventually open revolts and uprisings. It will happen, eventually.
@LiouTao I wasn't denying the existence of the Republic of China I just knew it as Taiwan for the most part because relations with the PRC weren't "good". And to not confuse us "foreigners" with u guys and PRC as same :)
@RepublicofChina1000 Lol, Russia has already released documents acknowledging the USSR's support for the CCP. The USSR supported the CCP politically, diplomatically, economically, and militarily. The RoC had to make do with what they have leftover from WWII and managed to capture from the Japs. HuaiHai was in the later half of 1948, by that time the RoC forces were already on a losing streak and low on ammunuition.
@LiouTao Note: I wasnt talking about the cease fires or when the embargo was in place. In the beggining of 1946 they should have been able to destroy Lin Biao's army but even with 500,000 troops they still failed. Also lack of ammo doesnt always mean surrender, in WW2 the Chinese were outgunned and out equipped by Japanese heavily and yet they still fought to the death/wounded, so why in all of a sudden in the civil war they surrendered that fast(without any strings attached).
@RepublicofChina1000 During the WWII, the NRA was outgunned and equipped, but they at least still had ammunition of some kind(RoC received military aid from Allies). When you don't have any bullets, you can't fight at all, and as the losses stacked up, morale plundered, and with that comes surrender. The NRA were able to defeat the PLA armies in 1945-1947, but because to American meddling and USSR protection, the NRA were unable to annihilate the PLA.
@LiouTao Please give me some evidence that the USSR were letting PLA train their troops because from most of the websites states the USSR did very little actaully. I am not talking about the ROC victories from 1946-1947 I am talking about 1948.Since the Embargo reduced morale , in late 1948 when the ammo came again(well some) they should have had some morale increase but both tech. and numerical superiority did little to lighten their hearts I guess.
@RepublicofChina1000 Lol, there was no 'tech superiority' or 'numerical superiority', both sides were virtually all infantry. By 1948 the PLA became virtually unstoppable. Arms shipment was by no means enough. From Dec1947-Nov1948, the RoC only received from the US one month's worth of usable ammunition. RoC production could only provide for 7-8% of the needed ammo. Try to fight a year's war on 2 month's worth of ammo, it's not going to end well.
@LiouTao There were no tech or numerical superiority ? You are talking about both or NRA? How is 920,000 ROC vs 600,000 PLA in the HuaiHai campaign for instance not numerical superiority(not counting 5.4 million peasant logistical support) or 320,000 PLA vs 100,000 ROC in battle of Jinan. Technical I guess both were about even . If the ROC only had 2 months of ammo for 1 year then before mid 1948 the PLA were no different the PLA was guerrila they didnt have weaponry for frontal confrontations.
@RepublicofChina1000 Yo, stop reading Wikipedia and start reading multiple sources. During Huaihai, the RoC military was fractured. The RoC armies were separated and annihilated one by one, not all at the same time.
And you seriously need to understand my words, two months worth of ammo over an entire year, that means only 2 months worth of ammo were procured during this entire year. The PLA were supplied directly by the USSR, the RoC had nothing.
@RepublicofChina1000 And in regards to USSR evidence, read Moscow Agreement and Harbin Agreement. Also, the Russians have already released documents admitting Soviet support for the PLA during the war.
@LiouTao With regards about Wedymyer and Chennault supporting Chiang and his forces I could counter that by saying that George C Marshall didnt like the KMT forces as well although he didnt like PLA more(he was a reason for the embargo and not US troops to aid ROC forces) which in the end Wedymyer testified against George for the loss of China. Actaully not doing anything is different from doing little. The PLA effort in ww2 was poor but was still there , they did guerrila warfare .
@RepublicofChina1000 Marshall was teh imbecile who asked for the embargo. PLA effort in WWII were at a minimal. The PLA refused to fight the Japs during WWII, during WWII Mao ordered the PLA NOT to fight the Japs, retreat when fired upon, and only fight when absolutely necessary. In fact, of the 3 PLA generals who died during the war, one was executed by Mao for defying his orders not to fight the Japs. Guerilla warfare my arse, then who fought the frontline battles?
@LiouTao Chiang was forced to fight IJA while Mao could have or not . Why ?The IJA targeted Chiang's army more than the PLA and if Chiang kept retreating he would have had no where to run to so the only thing he could have done was to fight the IJA, while Mao in the mountains with PLA was attacked far less by the Japanese so he could have chose to attack or not. Chiang did not want to fight Japanese .
@RepublicofChina1000 Ya, you just proved my point, the PLA didn't engage the IJA, the NRA did all the fighting, lol. And no, the NRA doesn't have to fight, they could have just surrendered to the Japs.
As for 'military discipline', the point was that the PLA didn't fight the IJA.
And no, the US doesn't kill their soldiers for defying orders. It's in the books, but not practiced. They prefer court martial.
@LiouTao Yes I proved your point that the PLA rearely engaged the IJA , however as I said they were given choices, the NRA was China's main it had a navy , somewhat a airforce and a large ground force, because PLA were mostly in mountains and thought of as a rebel force more than a governmental one , if NRA surrendered to IJA then China would have been taken over even the PLA would not be able to resist them, so like I said the NRA(China's main army) could not surrender .
@RepublicofChina1000 What I am saying is that Mao personally ordered the PLA to not fight the IJA. He was the one who chose to pull back to preserve strength to fight the NRA than to fight all-out against the IJA like the NRA did. Mao's own famous words, 'We will use 10 percent of our resources to fight the Japs, 20 percent to retaliate against the KMT, and 70 percent to grow our forces'.
@LiouTao I remember he said, "the Japanese are a disease of the skin, the Communists are a disease of the heart". Do you think with words like those he wanted to fight the Japanese that hard , he wanted to kill the PLA first then fight the IJA. Also you are right the NRA participated in 22 Major battles but they lost most of them and the only ones they did win they needed to have outnumbered the Japanese 3-1 then fight them.
@RepublicofChina1000 What This stems from Confucianism and past experience. Confucius says that one must settle his own inside business before being able to fight outsiders. Past Experience tells him the PLA is a thorn in the leg, and if not taken cared now, they may never be taken cared of. Chiang could not have been more right.
22 Major battles, half were Chinese wins, and it's obvious they need more to win, their only strength were numbers.
@LiouTao What does Confucianism have to do with this ? I never even mentioned it. As to why the PLA didnt participate in these 22 major battles the reason was these battles were in Southern China not Northern China where the PLA were at .As to Mao not letting the PLA fight thats mostly correct but if the IJA had targeted him he had to .
And if a foreign country conquers the capital, a provisional capital is created. As long as the Government itself is not captured or destroyed by the enemy, the state will continue to exist because the chain of command has not been broken. The leaders lead the people, not the city.
And if a foreign country conquers the capital, a provisional capital is created. As long as the Government itself is not captured or destroyed by the enemy, the state will continue to exist because the chain of command has not been broken. The leaders lead the people, not the city.
@LiouTao To sum it up , the NRA in WW2 was completly owned by Japanese. Also Japan already conquered China(technically) in 3 days by capturing Nanking.The reason why the PLA didnt see much more action was because some of their units fought under the flag of the NRA and wore NRA uniforms instead of PLA ones. For example the New Fourth and Eigth route armies. Marshall had a reason for not supporting the NRA in civil war because they were corrupt and fought with weapons first not their hearts.
why is every one calling the chinese "chinks" how would you like it if they called us Fat oil hungry pigs while watching our anthem? And if every one hates the Chinese so much than why in Gods name are you watching this video. I love every race and if the whole world would do the same than we would not be hearing of who died in the war every night on the news so grow a pair, live with the changing world, and if you cant do that Piss off
Long Live China
TheThebarroness 20 hours ago
@TheThebarroness Long live China? We'll you're saying "long live" to the wrong country because this is the anthem of Taiwan. The real Chinese are all commies on the mainland.
alphatotheomega7 2 hours ago
Eat that, communist scum!
3945TV 3 days ago
@3945TV LOL there are more Chinese commenting here than Chinese commenting on the PRC anthem.
WOnder why :)
HAHAHA
RacistChinesemusicdj 1 day ago
@RacistChinesemusicdj puss face
shaolinmonkboy1 1 day ago
@3945TV Oh wait Youtube is blocked in China.. my bad :)
So in China it`s illegal to support your own country on the internet, that`s how sick it is
RacistChinesemusicdj 1 day ago
@RacistChinesemusicdj boring... youtube is no fun if u just do the same thing and watch t he same videos
shaolinmonkboy1 1 day ago
@shaolinmonkboy1 Who said I watched those worthless Chink gay parade videos? :)
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我是中国人，我从来也不怎么喜欢中共，可是当我杂玩台服游戏的时-候，台湾人看不懂简体字，我笑了。因为大陆人都能看明白繁体字。-当我被骂大陆狗的时候，。我也笑了，原来台湾人素质不过如此。当-我知道台湾人都不懂青天白日满地红是什么意思，国旗歌都不会唱，-还要去搜歌词的时候，我彻底笑了。中共就算有在多不好。中国现在-是需要他的。因为巨龙处于复苏阶段。任何革命和暴力都会让一切毁-于一旦。至于台湾同胞，我问你们，你们还有多少人会认为自己是中-国人的？你们会认为你们是台湾人。那么，请以后别提青天白日统一-中国。因为就算中共倒了。也不会有青天白日光复的一天。因为我们-从骨子里对于青天白日有不好的观感，或许是因为教育有指导意思，-但是我为自己是大陆人自豪。为中国骄傲。台湾人你认为你们还像中-国人吗？满口不标准的国语。人长得越来越像非礼宾人和日本人的结-合。人矮，皮肤黑。我们大陆有过个投票，支持对台开战的人达到百-分之79。中立的还有百分之11，不是中共要打你们，是台湾人你-们没感觉自己有什么问题么？YOUTUBE上和大陆人吵，会有什-么意思？用我的话说：直接我们真人对打一下，你就知道解放军-的战斗力了
sq3311229 6 days ago
孫中山，是真正解放中華民族的人民英雄。毛澤東沒有他的仁智
janiceyuling90 6 days ago
本来中國是中華民國。打倒惡政共產黨非法占拠!實現民主中國!解放中華同胞!
gakkan21 1 week ago
我不带任何政治感情地来说:从声学方面来讲,我觉得这首歌真不好听,太催眠.
etian831 1 week ago
China - murderous country of Tibet-hating killers.
MoscowMaestro 1 week ago
民國如劉漢，中共同曹魏……
francis6188 1 week ago
你那些扭曲的想法，你在youtube寻找视频﹕胡锦涛主席2012年新年贺词 [2011-12-31]
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120 像你一样支持共产党的人都又丑又土，没人要，所以都去当共匪的妓女五毛去了
Vampiric59 2 weeks ago
支持孫中山 三民主義
SingaporeTrash 2 weeks ago
@SingaporeTrash 我尊敬民主，也看好孙文先生的革命和诀别情怀，但就是蒋家欺压工农，毛主席才打着马克思的旗帜，解放那些奴隶
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120 蔣公欺壓得是共產黨，不是工業，不同的。
LiouTao 2 weeks ago
@LiouTao 你们国民党那岂不是根烂了，无能之势
Myth20091120 1 week ago
Great Anthem
Greetings from South Korea
zksskdhxh 2 weeks ago
一个中国就是中华民国！！！三民主义统一中国！打倒无耻共匪！还我浩荡中华！
Denshakuma 3 weeks ago
@Denshakuma 你先叫台湾把妓院撤了先
land2029 2 weeks ago
@land2029 你说就那粒马胆，别说拆除爆破，连人都判好玩，死罪的留着祸害人间
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Denshakuma 一個中國，絕不屬於反動派流寇，支持胡主席港人治港，澳人治澳的表示，拔除狗牙的必要性，破壞祖國安穩的元凶
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
我喜歡孫中山國父，但恨透蔣中正摧毀國父生平下來絞盡腦汁作品。沒有他的存在，就不會導致兩國分裂、共產併吞。
Wucalled 3 weeks ago
@Wucalled 沒有蔣公就不會有北伐，沒有北伐中國還是數多軍閥指令下的一堆小國。不說軍閥，說抗日，沒蔣公連抗日都不要想。中國是蔣公統一的，分裂是共產黨分裂的。
LiouTao 3 weeks ago 3
Touch my heart!
billchao48 4 weeks ago
thank you for making this.
i love my country. i love roc. always proud of her.
standingsun1 4 weeks ago
beautiful anthem
kr01091 4 weeks ago
This is excelent anthem! Very beutifull I am not Chinese or Asian for that matter I am Western European and I never hear such great Chinese anthem is far better than the one from Peoples Republic!
ImperialGuard9001 1 month ago
共匪竊國六十載 華夏禍延千萬年
seedormum 1 month ago
@seedormum 台巴子无能复国，只能在youtube上犬吠，可笑可耻！
xungenzhe 3 weeks ago
@xungenzhe 无毛真好笑啊，孙中山比你的毛泽东伟大多啦，就知道台巴子台巴子的，你这个tmd五毛别来丢大陆人的脸啦
Vampiric59 3 weeks ago
@Vampiric59 用简体字也隐藏不住台湾人自卑的文字，尽是些浮不上台面的流寇
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120 用中华传统的繁体字就是自卑了？ 你被共匪洗脑了，想当共匪的子孙你自己去啊，但是我告诉你，我们是炎黄子孙，不是马列子孙
Vampiric59 2 weeks ago
@Vampiric59 那你们不是美国子孙?说的好听
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120 我说过我喜欢美国了吗？ 五毛，我在说一遍，我们不是马列子孙，我们是炎黄子孙
Vampiric59 2 weeks ago
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@Vampiric59 台湾人可急着归西，也不回归，尽是些黑化马克思和祖国的流寇，美化那些发动中东战争的侵略者
有的是黑化马克思，却美化法西斯，发动中东的战争不是法西斯作祟
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
別聽Va這樣講! 妳不是醜女，不過妳確實是個共匪，一個三八的共匪! 哈哈哈哈哈~
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 枪口下谈判，从古至今都一样，对左右派都一样.如同俄罗斯出兵车臣的高加索共和国一样，相干的是地域文化矛盾，无关种族矛盾
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
妳的沒錯! 槍口下談判，難怪支共省要提供比大清還要優惠的最惠國待遇，要不然其他國家早就藉口世界和平把支共黨給轟了!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1
有些凭借着资本主义，吃喝嫖赌的，有钱的当大爷，没钱的当大哥，学起流寇，拿着武士刀，奸杀掳掠起来
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
你們4%的人在吃喝嫖賭，96%的人在賣器官幫你們結帳，難怪內部會極為不穩!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 你們墮胎的35萬婦女真是可悲，還可能面臨不孕，低出產率，用那些虛構的比例，不如看實際數據
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
那35萬肯定都是妳貢獻的，因為妳在Lin Shen N rd工作!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 我的贡献可都是在建设部上，一个人能贡献35万妇女什么东西，你脑子烧坏了
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
美眉妳別再裝了! 妳在我國酒店工作我知道! 妳等等要不要來北市東區，我請妳喝咖啡、吃蛋糕! 哈哈哈哈哈~
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 來北京玩玩，我就請你吃你沒吃過的，人間美味，樂不思蜀
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
哈哈哈哈哈! 你們除了台商在那開的餐廳以外，還有哪間是絕對無毒的?
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 你們台灣很多塑化劑，在祖國嚴厲的打擊下，都拉出去斃了，格林機槍射擊完了，應該不會有人敢來汙染祖國
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
塑化劑沒有三氯氫安誇張!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 那個也都拉出去斃了，早沒有這檔事，黑心商人在資本階級特別多，謀取暴利
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
哈哈哈哈哈! 那為什麼你們黨聯合廠商為了要控制事件曝光要斃了三氯氫安受害者?
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 我聽你放屁，廣大的受害者給予國家補償和可要求要廠商索賠，眾所皆知，至於主謀廠商，和畜牧農民都一律死刑
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
邪教法輪功、美國、俄羅斯、歐盟的媒體都已經說得很清楚了，所以你也不用掩飾了!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 江澤民主席做的什麼事，想必也是為了民族好，不希望有神棍騙財騙色
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
hujintao小姐和歷代支共匪長聯合廠商和軍隊殺害你們人想必是為了解決世界人口膨脹，是為世界好!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 胡言亂語，無端指控，無憑無據，血口噴人，造謠生事，流寇，流氓，imbecile
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
哈哈哈哈哈! 文革、大躍進、六四、烏坎、石首、廣東、廈門.......那些都是假象...
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 流寇說話是不會有人信的，多的是黑化祖國馬克思和美化法西斯
Myth20091120 1 week ago
@Myth20091120
這種事情不管是邪教、美國、歐盟、澳洲等都公認了，你們還在自我催眠!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@1jasonhsu1 这种小时候被共匪的洗脑教育搞脑残了的人最好是别理
Vampiric59 1 week ago
@Vampiric59
放心，沒再對她認真的，只是覺得她很好玩!
1jasonhsu1 1 week ago
@Vampiric59 So Jasonhsu1 is the corurpted CCP official here?
Cool I want to troll :)
RacistChinesemusicdj 1 day ago
@Vampiric59 急着归西，也不回归的傻逼
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Vampiric59 你称我们共匪，我说你们流寇或败寇，也是一报还一报
Myth20091120 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120
美眉，妳是不是線上遊戲玩太多了?
1jasonhsu1 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120 共匪就是不以民主方式奪取政權的意思, 你們就是匪類, 阻礙中國民主發展的敗類!
wuzlaohu 2 weeks ago
@Myth20091120 還有, 操尼馬, 哪裡找來一張相片來騙人啊? 共匪就是專搞騙人的把戲, 下三爛, 你也一樣! 你他媽的相片是我上次去大陸嫖的女子嗎? 呵呵
wuzlaohu 2 weeks ago
@wuzlaohu 有些凭借着资本主义，吃喝嫖赌的，有钱的当大爷，没钱的当大哥，学起流寇，拿着武士刀，奸杀掳掠起来
Myth20091120 1 week ago
nice anthem :)
Koreanforever777 1 month ago
回歸大陸又何怎樣?在陸續被日本洋人控制欺壓。乾脆去簽屬俄羅斯及美國的專利寵物，你們才有好未來希望。
不然就是順其自然的等著被其他國家有機可趁占據。
Wucalled 1 month ago
@Wucalled 我只能說，輕妒一點歷史，抗日是打贏還是打輸。
LiouTao 1 month ago
青天白日满地红一定要回大陆
Vampiric59 1 month ago
王师何时回归大陆啊！
CaldariCitizen007 1 month ago
Beautiful Song !
MrHappyChink 1 month ago
Good lyric! . But the english translation ..means "nothing" much- (Words in chinese has more meaning than the words in english). I am glad i can read chinese !
psalm1604 1 month ago
我觉得这首歌没有《中华民国颂》好，如果大陆和台湾统一了，我建议用《中华民国颂》当我们共同的国歌。
DanielleTaolism 1 month ago
@DanielleTaolism 《中華民國頌》是流行歌。國歌是當年國父的訓詞
LiouTao 1 month ago 2
先撇下两岸对立来说，民国的国歌歌词比大陆的强一百倍！
terryofusa 2 months ago
听着像哀乐，和小日本的有一拼。看我们中华人民共和国的国歌，是战斗的歌曲。我们要砸碎一切胆敢和中国作对的人的脊梁。犯我强汉者，虽远必诛。
kleinr8913 2 months ago
@kleinr8913 去你妈的逼 你做俄共的孙子去吧 你他妈的还是中国人？？？ 中华民国才是中华儿女的祖国 被你们共匪五毛们霸占 还他妈的称自己是中国人？？
wanxiaodong 2 months ago
@wanxiaodong 呵呵，费什么话，和导弹和大炮讨论去吧，我反正觉得目前中国的地位在国际上是空前的，只有自己的实力强了，那些洋人才不敢来抢劫杀人。你美国主子的民主那么好的话，它们怎么肯传播给中国，要是中国学了变的比它们还强大，它们不是要去吃大粪？明显它们就是想中国变成印度一样，永远被它们剥削。
kleinr8913 2 months ago
@kleinr8913 贱种 你们共官有钱的都他妈的去美国移民去了 你敢说你们共产党爱国？？ 贱种 你们共产党做毛子的狗 想要毛子帮你们研发原子弹，你以为毛子想让你成为有核国家？？ 1969年3月中苏珍宝岛战争说明了什么？ 毛子几次侵犯我国黑龙江 这说明了什么？？ 毛子也是我们的敌人！！！ 你以为巴结毛子他们就会让我们成为强大的国家？？？ 你他妈的太天真了！！ 我操你妈的还什么美国主子都说出来了， 全世界所有民主国家难道都是美国的孙子？？ 你他妈你们五毛是毛子共匪的孙子 ！！
wanxiaodong 2 months ago
@wanxiaodong
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈，中华民国的国军都在你们台湾呢，怎么还不来拯救我们于水火？
君子坦荡荡，国军不上岸。商女不知亡国恨，国军就是不上岸。举头望明月，国军不上岸。洛阳亲友如相问，就说国军不上岸。少壮不努力，国军不上岸。垂死病中惊坐起，国军就是不上岸。生当作人杰，打死不上岸。人生自古谁无死，国军继续不上岸。众里寻他千百度，蓦然回首，国军还在海对岸。
kleinr8913 2 months ago
Guys why don't you continue this debate in the chinahistoryforum site there is a thread about chinese civil war as well as other subjects.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
Looks like those shortsighted CCP officials admitted to taking land illegally in Wukan. A mistake they will continue repeating. It's been a while since they've had any credibility in the eyes of peasants. I feel bad for the peasants they put the CCP in power only to be screwed over by them. They've been mislead ever since Mao took power with his great leap forward stupidity which starved many millions. How many? It's considered state secret but a good sized european country getting wiped off.
redwhitedude 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
I don't think the PLA was called the PLA during the civil war. I think it was called the Red Army. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also I'm not quite sure if Stalin put much faith on them and backed them up initially. He seems to have operated out of his own interest.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude Stalin supported the CCP from the start to finish
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I was under the impression that initially supported the KMT. Anyways the links that I sent you seem to indicate he was in it for himself as well. Also the faction that took over which was led by Mao wasn't about to let themselves get ordered around by Moscow. That faction was discredited by their actions and policies as Mao's gradually gained credibility starting with his emphasis on the peasants and the successful escape via the long march.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude KMT never supported the CCP, well, not much. Under agreements with the USSR, the KMT allowed the CCP in their ranks until after Sun died. After Sun died, there was a power struggle, the KMT split into largely 3 camps, rights centres and lefts. The centres merged into the Chiang led rights, the lefts continued to ally with the CCP until the CCP started turning on them.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I meant stalin not the KMT.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
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@LiouTao Actaully that was during WW1 , when everyone were fighting in trenches. During WW2 it was mostly guerrila warfare, frontal confrontations or urban warfare , and some trench warfare.Yes melee refers to mostly bayonets during that period , but seeing as how melee is basically hand to hand , if someone loses their bayonet what's his other method ,with his own bare hands all other weapons. Yeah I thought so too , that the warlord armies were weaker than the PLA.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
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go to the hell,ROC
tksndk 2 months ago
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我想"三民主義"是美麗的國歌。
可是，被這個國歌為台灣的國土的美麗一句話也沒能觸。
中華民國，也建立象英國的第二的國歌"Land of Hope and Glory"一樣的第二的國家，稱讚美麗的國土怎樣？
”三民主義”は美しい国歌だと思う。
しかし、この国歌には台湾の国土の美しさには一言も触れられていない。
中華民国も、英国の第二の国歌”Land of Hope and Glory”のような第二の国家を作って、美しい国土を讃えてはどうだろうか？
hisakx 2 months ago
read up on this article that was pointed out to me
at the epoch times web site look up the title "In taiwan mainland chinese see beacon of democracy".
Basically the ROC is using the reestablishment of direct contacts as a way to show mainland chinese what a civil society whose officials are responsible to the people works. It's a very clever charm campaign on the part of Ma.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude I don't like Ma
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Check out the article.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@LiouTao The impact that ROC may have on mainland tourist could be unsettling to the authorities in the mainland. Maybe it will push them to demand more say on their affairs back in the mainland or look at the ROC with envy.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude It won't work, because that's not how uprisings and revolutions work. Revolutions happen because the people want change, but unless the people are willing trade their lives to overthrow the government, then it can be easily dispersed. Uprisings happen when people are pushed to the point that their survival is in question, if their lives are not threatened, there will be no uprising. Also, the Chinese culture is very pacifist, it's very difficult for Chinese to revolt
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I'm not necessarily advocating a violent overthrow. This could give an impetus on how the mainland may evolve. There are a lot of demonstrations and violence in the mainland because people feel frustrated that officials are ignoring their concerns. Who knows if the people that see taiwan and the benefits of it converge with people who are frustrated that CCP officials are doing whatever they want at their expense come together you never know what will come of it.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude No, there are demonstrations and violence (aka riots) because those people have been pushed to the point of being barely able to feed themselves. If you look at these demonstrations, they're mostly either in rural areas or if in urban areas, by 'lower class' workers. People in the 'upper class' aren't behind these riots, and frankly they're the only ones who can afford to go to Taiwan.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao The violence and demonstrations is self inflicted by the CCP. I doubt they can reform to improve the situation. Now for the upper class it remains to be seen if in the long run the way things are being run by the CCP will irritate them too. In the long run as the economy grows more sophisticated the political control has to loosen. It happened in Japan and in Korea but with the CCP I don't know.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude The CCP are masters at controlling the population on holding onto power. The upper class won't try to overthrow the government, simply because they lack the motivations to. There's no reason why they should give up the 'good life'. You also need to understand Chinese culture, the Chinese people is a peaceful one, they will only revolt when they've been suppressed to the point they cannot be suppressed anymore.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I don't know if chinese culture can be considered more peaceful than others. They've had some pretty violent overthrows throughout the last 2000 years because peasant livelihood has been affected. In a way it is no different than others. However the only way they can control the media is to be airtight which china is not unlike north Korea. People have gotten such a slanted view that if they encounter another view they don't believe it. The upper class is doing well now....
redwhitedude 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@redwhitedude The Chinese people have been one of the most peaceful and gentle societies in the world, but they do not like being bullied. They will not revolt unless they've been pushed to the point where they can't be pushed anymore. That's why the overthrows were so violent, because the Chinese wait until when they have nothing left to lose.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao what about the disturbances in Xinjiang(east turkestan)?
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@LiouTao I know that there were North Koreans who fought with the PLA . How many were there and how many were causalties?
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Dunno, I think in the tens of thousands, if I remember correctly.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000
I don't know if this will answer this directly but this thread at the chinahistoryforum
may shed some light on the situation in the civil war. I sent you a message with the link
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@LiouTao ...and there is a generational thing as well. Right now the upper classes owe their success to the current system. The older generation remembers they days that they didn't have food or even enough clothes to wear so to them all this things might be minor complaints. However as time goes on the older generation dies out and people want to do more than now i.e. they use now as the baseline unlike the previous generation they may get frustrated with the CCP telling them what to think....
redwhitedude 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@redwhitedude The older generations tend to dislike the CCP more, because they remember the hardships under the CCP. The newer generation tends to take a better liking to the CCP, for obvious reasons. Many of the newer gen has chose to just 'let things flow', they don't care because they're living the good life. This is talking about the upper class, the lower class is a totally different matter, there are dissatisfaction throughout the enter lower class.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Maybe I was misinformed. Anyways I think the more educated and the more progress they make they will become a more fickle crowd. Maybe they'll develop a whole new set of expectations. If you are well to do business person you may be happy about it but you may demand a freer hand in where and how to invest after all it is their money that it is at stake. So we'll have to see how it plays out. On one hand they are better off but on the other red tape and favoratism may read its ugly head.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude The Mainland is corrupt as it can be, the business folks won't care as long as they make money, the government won't care as long as their political grip is stable.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao There is a coruption perception index and ease of doing business index. This could certainly put off a lot of businesses if there is corruption. It could deter business from doing business in the mainland. Advanced economies tend to rank high on both these areas but with the way things are going in china they might hit a wall.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude Lol, the government and the business owners are in it together. That's where the corruption is.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Not with every business owner. Also since they want chinese businesses to succeed they may discriminate against foreign businesses as soon as they get what they want. My previous statement about corruption and ease of doing business index is still valid. CCP officials wanting to rake in the money leads to uneven enforcement of laws and regulations which are bound to annoy businesses. They can't possibly give this advantage to everybody.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude The disadvantaged ones are those on the bottom, not the business owners. The business owners are the ones doing the bribing.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao who says they will be on top forever. You got foreigners complaining about business environment in china. The red tape, the corruption, arbitrary application of laws and regulation. This can't go on forever. You've already heard of cases of bribing officials to reveal bids which invariably means some business owners are going to get shafted. It works nicely if business owners can keep bribing but what if somebody else gives them a bigger bribe?
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude The CCP keeps things in check to make sure that THEY are the ones who remain in power, after all, the military is in their control. Foreigners are foreigners, the CCP could care less about foreigners having trouble with business, Chinese companies are more important.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao The problem is that the economy is getting more complex and there are going to be many thousands of business people they can't possibly be running the economy the way they have turn it into a contest of who is better connected and has a more money to bribe. They'll end up not satisfying many people. If they have to resort to police force to keep people in line that's an indication that they'll be losing it. Ultimately peasants are not happy, business people are not happy because of this
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude They don't have to satisfy all, they just have to satisfy enough. Business people and the lower class are on entirely different levels, it's the lower class who's been left behind, the business owners are all uppers. The business owners don't care as long as they make money, and the rich poor divide grows.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I'm saying that this business of corruption and ease of doing business which mainland China doesn't have good ratings in either one will interfere with businesses and impede them from making money. This will be an issue that will become more prominent as the economy becomes more complex plus with the CCP they way they are. Complaints on two levels one from the lower classes and the other the business owners. Ultimately their is going to be a lot of complaining and possibly disillusion.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude The upper class won't have any complaints, they know better because they can have their business shut down by the CCP if they step out of line. No business = no money. The CCP just acts as a supervisor, it lets the businesses do what they want as long as it fulfills the CCP's own demand.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Great! What if the CCP puts in place policies that shortchanges them to line their pockets. Does this mean they will have to quietly accept the fact as their businesses struggle. Fulfilling the demand of the CCP doesn't mean that they have their own interest. Shutting down business because of objections to policies isn't necessarily the most business friendly environment. To foreigners it might deter them from setting up shop with the knowledge the mainland china covets.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude That's good, foreigners won't try to penetrate mainland markets, meaning it's just mainland markets penetrating foreign markets. The CCP currently only cares about GDP growth, if GDP grows, it means businesses are making money. It's a win win situation.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Well foreigners do have a lot of the knowhow. China is playing catchup. Just looking at stats will be good to a certain point. Then they have to look at quality in which issues that I've pointed out with corruption and ease of doing business become critical. When you are setting up a high tech business these become much more critical than saying setting up a clothing factory. Obviously china doesn't want to be stuck being known for clothes and lowcost goods.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude lol, their hightech goods are just as black as thier lowtechs. They're not gonna be opening up, if anything they'll become a second Japan. And stop saying 'China', say 'PRC'.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I will gladly comply with CCP and PRC.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@LiouTao ...all the red tape and favoritism. The more educated the people the more they may insist on thinking freely. The more they want to run business without government redtape and corruption that can affect with conflicts of interest due to CCP officials having a hand in business. In the future they may have less villagers but more urban people who may be more fickle and demanding to meet their expectations. This may not lead to overthrow but may clash with CCP offcials who have business.
redwhitedude 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@redwhitedude The CCP will not let go of power, 1989 Tiananmen showed that. They're willing to relax their grip on anything else, but political power will never be relaxed. All demonstrations demanding political freedom and reforms have all been shut down by the CCP. They're fine with letting economy go free for a bit, but if it starts giving them problems, then they'll take over the economy again.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao hey! Shut up.
JPMorganSuckBalls 2 months ago
@JPMorganSuckBalls He is making valid point. I don't think you need to be that hostile.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@LiouTao That's one of the points that I am making. They think that they can keep that sort of control and have the economy develop. Unfortunately for them there is correlation between advanced economy and how the country is being run. If they don't understand that and make the necessary adjustments they will face with more of the same which is demonstrations, riots, and call to loosen up their control. You need to look at the ROC how the KMT liberalized and its advanced economy.
redwhitedude 2 months ago
@redwhitedude The KMT has always been moving towards a Democracy, it didn't start with the economic growth, it started from the beginning because that's always been the KMT ideology.
As for the CCP, dun really matter. As long as economy grows, the upper class will be satisfied, but the rich poor divide will continue to grow and eventually open revolts and uprisings. It will happen, eventually.
LiouTao 2 months ago
god bless Taiwan
Junokaii 2 months ago
@Junokaii Republic of China, not Taiwan.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao then.. why is it commonly referred to as taiwan?
Junokaii 2 months ago
@Junokaii Because foreigners don't know history and the Reds and Greens refuse to recognise the existence of the RoC.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I wasn't denying the existence of the Republic of China I just knew it as Taiwan for the most part because relations with the PRC weren't "good". And to not confuse us "foreigners" with u guys and PRC as same :)
Junokaii 2 months ago
@Junokaii For the most part, they are, but occasionally one meets an exception.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao which sucks.. PRC is nuts
Junokaii 2 months ago
壮哉我大中华民国
skywalkerchen680 2 months ago
不知今日從政者是否還記得孫文？或藍或綠或橘黨等？
kamiosu 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Lol, Russia has already released documents acknowledging the USSR's support for the CCP. The USSR supported the CCP politically, diplomatically, economically, and militarily. The RoC had to make do with what they have leftover from WWII and managed to capture from the Japs. HuaiHai was in the later half of 1948, by that time the RoC forces were already on a losing streak and low on ammunuition.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Note: I wasnt talking about the cease fires or when the embargo was in place. In the beggining of 1946 they should have been able to destroy Lin Biao's army but even with 500,000 troops they still failed. Also lack of ammo doesnt always mean surrender, in WW2 the Chinese were outgunned and out equipped by Japanese heavily and yet they still fought to the death/wounded, so why in all of a sudden in the civil war they surrendered that fast(without any strings attached).
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 During the WWII, the NRA was outgunned and equipped, but they at least still had ammunition of some kind(RoC received military aid from Allies). When you don't have any bullets, you can't fight at all, and as the losses stacked up, morale plundered, and with that comes surrender. The NRA were able to defeat the PLA armies in 1945-1947, but because to American meddling and USSR protection, the NRA were unable to annihilate the PLA.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Please give me some evidence that the USSR were letting PLA train their troops because from most of the websites states the USSR did very little actaully. I am not talking about the ROC victories from 1946-1947 I am talking about 1948.Since the Embargo reduced morale , in late 1948 when the ammo came again(well some) they should have had some morale increase but both tech. and numerical superiority did little to lighten their hearts I guess.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Lol, there was no 'tech superiority' or 'numerical superiority', both sides were virtually all infantry. By 1948 the PLA became virtually unstoppable. Arms shipment was by no means enough. From Dec1947-Nov1948, the RoC only received from the US one month's worth of usable ammunition. RoC production could only provide for 7-8% of the needed ammo. Try to fight a year's war on 2 month's worth of ammo, it's not going to end well.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao There were no tech or numerical superiority ? You are talking about both or NRA? How is 920,000 ROC vs 600,000 PLA in the HuaiHai campaign for instance not numerical superiority(not counting 5.4 million peasant logistical support) or 320,000 PLA vs 100,000 ROC in battle of Jinan. Technical I guess both were about even . If the ROC only had 2 months of ammo for 1 year then before mid 1948 the PLA were no different the PLA was guerrila they didnt have weaponry for frontal confrontations.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Yo, stop reading Wikipedia and start reading multiple sources. During Huaihai, the RoC military was fractured. The RoC armies were separated and annihilated one by one, not all at the same time.
And you seriously need to understand my words, two months worth of ammo over an entire year, that means only 2 months worth of ammo were procured during this entire year. The PLA were supplied directly by the USSR, the RoC had nothing.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 And in regards to USSR evidence, read Moscow Agreement and Harbin Agreement. Also, the Russians have already released documents admitting Soviet support for the PLA during the war.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao With regards about Wedymyer and Chennault supporting Chiang and his forces I could counter that by saying that George C Marshall didnt like the KMT forces as well although he didnt like PLA more(he was a reason for the embargo and not US troops to aid ROC forces) which in the end Wedymyer testified against George for the loss of China. Actaully not doing anything is different from doing little. The PLA effort in ww2 was poor but was still there , they did guerrila warfare .
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Marshall was teh imbecile who asked for the embargo. PLA effort in WWII were at a minimal. The PLA refused to fight the Japs during WWII, during WWII Mao ordered the PLA NOT to fight the Japs, retreat when fired upon, and only fight when absolutely necessary. In fact, of the 3 PLA generals who died during the war, one was executed by Mao for defying his orders not to fight the Japs. Guerilla warfare my arse, then who fought the frontline battles?
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Chiang was forced to fight IJA while Mao could have or not . Why ?The IJA targeted Chiang's army more than the PLA and if Chiang kept retreating he would have had no where to run to so the only thing he could have done was to fight the IJA, while Mao in the mountains with PLA was attacked far less by the Japanese so he could have chose to attack or not. Chiang did not want to fight Japanese .
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Ya, you just proved my point, the PLA didn't engage the IJA, the NRA did all the fighting, lol. And no, the NRA doesn't have to fight, they could have just surrendered to the Japs.
As for 'military discipline', the point was that the PLA didn't fight the IJA.
And no, the US doesn't kill their soldiers for defying orders. It's in the books, but not practiced. They prefer court martial.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao Yes I proved your point that the PLA rearely engaged the IJA , however as I said they were given choices, the NRA was China's main it had a navy , somewhat a airforce and a large ground force, because PLA were mostly in mountains and thought of as a rebel force more than a governmental one , if NRA surrendered to IJA then China would have been taken over even the PLA would not be able to resist them, so like I said the NRA(China's main army) could not surrender .
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 What I am saying is that Mao personally ordered the PLA to not fight the IJA. He was the one who chose to pull back to preserve strength to fight the NRA than to fight all-out against the IJA like the NRA did. Mao's own famous words, 'We will use 10 percent of our resources to fight the Japs, 20 percent to retaliate against the KMT, and 70 percent to grow our forces'.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao I remember he said, "the Japanese are a disease of the skin, the Communists are a disease of the heart". Do you think with words like those he wanted to fight the Japanese that hard , he wanted to kill the PLA first then fight the IJA. Also you are right the NRA participated in 22 Major battles but they lost most of them and the only ones they did win they needed to have outnumbered the Japanese 3-1 then fight them.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 What This stems from Confucianism and past experience. Confucius says that one must settle his own inside business before being able to fight outsiders. Past Experience tells him the PLA is a thorn in the leg, and if not taken cared now, they may never be taken cared of. Chiang could not have been more right.
22 Major battles, half were Chinese wins, and it's obvious they need more to win, their only strength were numbers.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao What does Confucianism have to do with this ? I never even mentioned it. As to why the PLA didnt participate in these 22 major battles the reason was these battles were in Southern China not Northern China where the PLA were at .As to Mao not letting the PLA fight thats mostly correct but if the IJA had targeted him he had to .
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 I was explaining Chiang's reasoning behind his choices.
And if a foreign country conquers the capital, a provisional capital is created. As long as the Government itself is not captured or destroyed by the enemy, the state will continue to exist because the chain of command has not been broken. The leaders lead the people, not the city.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 I was explaining Chiang's reasoning behind his choices.
And if a foreign country conquers the capital, a provisional capital is created. As long as the Government itself is not captured or destroyed by the enemy, the state will continue to exist because the chain of command has not been broken. The leaders lead the people, not the city.
LiouTao 2 months ago
@LiouTao To sum it up , the NRA in WW2 was completly owned by Japanese. Also Japan already conquered China(technically) in 3 days by capturing Nanking.The reason why the PLA didnt see much more action was because some of their units fought under the flag of the NRA and wore NRA uniforms instead of PLA ones. For example the New Fourth and Eigth route armies. Marshall had a reason for not supporting the NRA in civil war because they were corrupt and fought with weapons first not their hearts.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago