I really pity the mustachio. Just so us can see that if you REALLY REALLY want to believe in something, you will find way to get to it, even if it's absurd.
comfort is a misguided shitbag but he seems to believe in what he says so I pity him rather than hate him. I wonder if deep down inside he realizes how much bullshit he spews forth
as an informatition i want to reclaim the nice math example he used in the background.
I claim that 1 + 1 = 10.
And I tell you that this is the truth. 1 + 1 = 10 is in fact the correct answer if you use the binary counting system (not even comman but the usual case in programming). So depending on what base you use, this simple example is either true or false. using base 10 or base 8 or base 16, this equation is false. but using base 2 this equation is true.
@omb1987 If you say that nothing is absolute then aren't you suggeting that as an absolute statement? The denial of absolutes seems self contradicting. Math, no matter what context will be absolute within it's context. If you add a context that wasn't prior then you aren't dealing witht the previous absolute context but in that added context is simply a different absolute context
@Proverbs1533 ok now it gets philosophical:D. Of course my statement is also not absolute if you are take it like this. but this would bring us in some sort of recursive problem. For example what happens when Pinocchio says "By saying this sentence my nose will grow". It is a lie and true at the same time because by making it a lie (his nose grows when he lies) it will get true. you know what i am pointing at?
@Proverbs1533 BTW: why should I insult you? this is a normale discussion between two intelligent human beings. there is no need in insulting anyone and i don't wanted to convince anyone with anything. I was just making a statement to the hole "true in different context" discussion :). I just wanted to say that often, things get a different meaning by changing the perspective.
The Pinocchio example you gave is a paradox working on magics that operate outside the laws of physics in the supernatural. The argument for the Christian God (though He may be supernatural) is intimately entangled in ordered rules we can perceive and understand, especially since God Himself is the very source of these rules.
Perspective can be a closed system in this indifferent universe. The conscience may effect the universe on a supernatural level but for all intensive purposes, all that matters are the events that take place. How we felt about those events, the universe cares nothing about. The perspective of sympathy for Hiroshima victims doesn't bring them back to life. God has set in place rules that don't care or change according to our perspectives, however TRUE to us they may be.
@Proverbs1533 I was giving an example. this does not mean that everything is true in every context. only that many things have more then one validmeaning
Gee... I wonder why Ratings have been disabled. Like all religious fundamentalist videos on Youtube, whether they're homophobic, anti-evolution, anti-science, etc., have the ratings disabled.
@Proverbs1533 The statement I made is true. Something being "hot" is relative, something being 6000 Kelvin is not relative. "Hot" and "Cold" are relative terms, that is a factual statement.
@1517CalvinMartin In the context of the video, the "judging" they were talking about was deciding another's guilt. "You should not decide another's guilt (or innocence)". I think you need to put down the weed and not try to get so philosophical.
@stoicsquirrel When it is told to someone that has done the act, then it means what they did was wrong. It say someone did wrong is a judgement. That is the point they are making. It's like if someone stole something, and another tells them "you shouldn't steal." It implies that what they did was wrong, and that is judgement.
@thesangster You're reading too much in to this, too. It's no different than if I said that you shouldn't steal. I didn't judge you. I just told you that you shouldn't steal.
@stoicsquirrel I'm not reading too much into anything, you can't avoid implications. To imply something exist, and it is unavoidable, no matter how much you try to run from it, it will not just disappear because you want it to. If you told me that I shouldn't steal, I would ask you why? Because it is wrong to steal. Right?That is the implication. When something is stated indirectly, doesn't mean it isn't being said. U can lie by omission, just as well as submission. A half truth is still a lie.
@stoicsquirrel When you state, "too much" that is an exaggeration. Just because I find one thing, doesn't mean it is too much. You stated that it "is a simple statement". In English, you should know that simple statements can be filled with many principles. So just because a statement is simple doesn't mean you can't get a lot out of it. And if someone clearly sees it, then accused them or "judge" them for stating what they have seen. Isn't that ironic? lol
@thesangster Ah... I see the problem. I don't think you know the difference between accusing someone and judging them. Look at our justice system. We have laws (don't steal, for example). The law itself doesn't judge. BUT, when you break the law, a judge will...judge you. Telling someone that something's wrong isn't the same thing as passing judgement on them for doing something wrong.
@stoicsquirrel Help me out here, are you saying that an "accusation" is different from "judgement"? Maybe you're not saying that, however, just in case you are here is what the thesaurus stated:
@thesangster Synonym: A word or phrase that means exactly or NEARLY THE SAME as another word or phrase. They're close. But in the context of our conversation (or the video's) they aren't quite the same. BTW, yes, they are close in meaning with the word conviction, but not necessarily with each other.
Accuse: To charge with a shortcoming or error.
Judgement: The forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion.
One's at the beginning of the process; One's at the end.
@stoicsquirrel When someone says "you shouldn't judge" they are saying in essence, "you shouldn't accuse me". However, by them saying "you shouldn't judge, or accuse", they are also guilty of doing that same thing. Because I can turn and ask them, "then why are you accusing me of judging?" These are self-refuting statements. It's like stealing from a thief because he's a thief. Well if you steal from a thief, then you're a thief also. That is all the video is trying to show.
@stoicsquirrel I'm not saying that the thief wouldn't learn a lesson from it; however, if a person steals, they are a thief, regardless of the intent. If you steal from a thief, then you are a thief also. Because you have taken something that doesn't belong to you without permission; however you can feel justified because you stole it from someone else that is a thief, so you'll continue to keep the item and enjoy the benefits of it. Since it is done with moral intent. C'mon that's bull. lol
@stoicsquirrel It depends on how it is done. Jesus stated in John 7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." So He tells you how to judge, and how not to judge, so the answer is yes and no, it depends.
@thesangster Now...Did you judge me when you said that was wrong (sometimes)? No. You made a simple statement that it is wrong (depending on the circumstances) to judge.
@stoicsquirrel Your question "did you judge me" .. is off based upon your initial question, "Do you feel it is wrong to judge other people?". Your question was general, and after I have answered it, you then point it towards yourself, and ask did I judge you? No, I didn't judge you, however I made a judgmental response. When I take a test that gives me multiple choices, or true or false choices, I have to make a judgment call on the answers. Same difference.
@stoicsquirrel Now that we are going back to the our initial statement, yes, it is not a judgment call based upon choose 2 say this is right or wrong as in my metaphor; however, there is an implication there. To tell some1 they shouldn't do something, is saying that what they doing is wrong, but stating it euphemistically. We cannot ignore implications. If I said, I'll dumb it down for u,I'm implying that you're not smart enough to get it. I can deny it, n say, your reading too much into it.
@thesangster I give up. I don't see a problem with telling someone not to judge. I don't see at as judging them. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
@stoicsquirrel lol, I was just about to say the same thing because I see that we are about to get into a wide circle. lol. Not a problem. I was an interesting debate. Yes, let us agree to disagree. Take care.
Epistemological relativism is counter-argumented with the appeal to the truth of the proposition "epistemological relativism is true". However, this leads into epistemological scepticism or into epistemological foundationism. I don't see Christinanity fitting either of those alternatives, due to it's reliance on belief.
The example of whether the sun is hot or cold is not a good one to use. People can empirically prove that the sun is hot. You cannot do the same with religion.
@zeppelin8 He said that he BELIEVES the sun is hot. What you are stating is KNOWING the sun is hot. So to believe it is in the absence of proof. Not to say that the proof doesn't exist, but at da moment the person making that claim doesn't have access to that proof. So in da meantime, he believes it to be so, but if someone that is debating with him believes it is cold, some1has to b right, wrong, or both are wrong, both can't be right. That is the point.
Its almost like there are 2 conversations going on. One literal and one on a teaching of relativity. The unbelievers arent getting the point of relativity and just hearing Ray being (sounding) judgemental. I think he should have been clear to the point as to WHAT he was trying to get across instead of arguing what seemed like his viewpoint on Christianity. It was all about relativity, right? I saw that, but the unbeliever?? Love you Ray and thanks for all your teachings!!!!!!!!!
Dont worry I love his teachings, 99% of all his videos and his books, websites etc. Just this one video.......the unbelievers Ray is talking to may take what he is saying literally, not understanding that he is trying to teach the concept of relativity and that all points of are not equally valid. Ray is totally correct and I personally understand but if you listen to the video and hear from the unbelievers standpoint, it sounds like Ray is not being as understanding as the unbelievers are.
@Soul7Patrol And yet He tells us to judge with the intent to improve each other and open each others eyes. So yes we judge, but we must judge ourselves as well.
I am a Christian, spirit - filled and love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind. I don't know if I like this video though, it seems really a harsh way to talk to unbelievers. He is supposed to help them understand, not confuse them and hear them out, they are right in what they are say, the unbelievers, they are trying to accept Ray but Ray is "yelling" back at them, how can they possibly be open to his preaching?? Ray seems to have stepped out of his usually awesome preaching here....:(
@vwyoutub Listern if you want TRUE convictions in the streets you need to share the hard truth!! How did JESUS preach in the streets? Luke 24:32 WITH CONVICTION and truth! would YOU dare tell JESUS he was too harsh? he set the perfect example for us when we are too evangelist.
@vwyoutub I agree with you on this one. I find Ray focuses too much on merely debating in the street,. His open air preaching usually consists of bickering over how intellectually bankrupt non-believers are, rather than trying to understand their mindset, and then showing how Christ can fit within (or how Christ can improve) the framework of their philosophy. I would think that the latter would be a better approach, since this approach seems to turn more people away.
This is sad stuff. It is one more reason not to be christian. Anyone that thinks this loudmouth makes sense, let alone wins any debate, is past reaching. He is intolerant of any views other than his own. Am man asks him why he is intolerant and he somehow concludes from that statement that "No, you are intolerant of me" and ends up quote the bible. Answer the effing question! He never answers a question, just diverts and overtalks. Who cares. This is among the worst of christian videos.
@frontoparietal Sounds like you are also being intolerant toward his intolerance and also judging his intolerance. That is called hypocrisy. Society has reverted to these forms of hypocrisy because people cannot deal with the truth. Jesus said He was the Only Way and that all others led to destruction. Now the simple truth is, some believe Him, and some don't.
It all one big candy eye lie ~ if he was here to day he would be made. For who one who makes knows about judging. Judge is to put a pond ones self living style to an other. This guy is no god's words. i!iii!!i!i!i!!ii
Come on Ray, don't judge the lost, develop a secular non-confrontational friendship with them for a few months first and eventually through osmosis they will want to know Jesus, even though you haven't mentioned him. :D
Great video. Thanks for showing how to simply cut to the chase, and render as foolish, the intellectual's argument.
...so based on what i see it, my Jewish brother left His Jewish roots ans follows a Religion that has Zero tolerance, towards not only his own people but every one else,
Shalom Aleichem, let the true living Elohim, from our for-fathers, be merciful on Mankind !!!
Comfort (supposedly) said: "My god is the right god" (which is an absolute statement, no?)
BeerMan said: "How can you say "My god is the one", no one can say that!"
Comfort: "one moment, you can not make an absolute statement like you've just made"
HE SAID THAT, BECAUSE __YOU__ MADE AN ABSOLUTE STATEMENT! "MY GOD IS THE RIGHT ONE" IS AN ABSOLUTE STATEMENT! WHICH ACCORDING TO COMFORT CAN'T BE MADE!
So sad to watch fools fool themselves. If it makes them happy, well, so long as they don't vote based on it I'm cool. But please, never cross my path with your soapbox. Or do. I'll embarrass you in public. :)
LOL didn't think I'd have to agree with Ray Comfort. He is right...Moral relativism though useful over the last century at breaking down bigotry does fail as a foundation for knowing truly what is objectively good and what is not. Because I do not believe in moral relativism I can and do say that Ray's brand of morality is ethically challenged in some areas and totally wrong in others. And that has nothing to do with his irrational superstitious belief system.
Children repeat things that are said. Not adults. That was the most childish video i have ever seen. Adults are supposed to discuss things rationally. Jesus in the bible is the one that said not to judge. (Matt 7:1-5). You Christians are the worst at not living your lives how Jesus taught you too. You should not even call yourself one.
@innippon You Christians? How dare you judge me for judging. Christ judged people all the time and when is said not to judge it was within the context of self righteous hypocrisy.
Once this preacher was discussing christianity with this secular DJ and i cant remember what he said word for word or how this conversation started but i do remember the DJ said something like "i think there is no absolutes in ur religion" the preacher said "are absolutly sure there are no absolutes?" DJ said "absolutly" End of conversation! lol :)
This is the worst video ever. This makes NO sense whatsoever. This video tells you pretty much that you can be judgmental and close minded. All you have to do is refute what they say and BAM your right? What's wrong with accepting other peoples beliefs and faiths?
so let me just ask right hear if you sin all of the comandmeths o what the o mighty lord will punish you to hell thats sick why wuld he torture you and i feal as if people are just acting like they love god becuase they dont want to go to hell i feal as if thats worng and people just dont care all they do is belive butt not fallow its sick what jesus christ dose please aswer my quistins
So what Ray Comfort is saying is everyone is wrong but him and his followers. Just turning the argument around onto the person who made the argument is NOT refuting it and does NOT hold any weight in a debate. It's all completely redundant on both sides.
This is the most stupidest video ever made. Beliefs ARE relative, facts are not. Yes, the sun IS hot. You can't refute that. You CAN refute if god exists or not because there is no proof. This isn't a fact. Not everything is relative. So this argument is stupid, it doesn't prove they're right either way. People are so dumb.
@bendyamin86 I have not yet read the bible. However i have a deep understanding as i have recieved enlightenment after an epiphony. I believe most of the ideas but, the bible was interpreted by MAN ,which is where bias ideas may enter the equation. i distrust most religion but was born a Cristian. i seem to think that we were granted certain human tendancies/intelligance though alien intervention, as a test of our souls
@MasterOfCoinsidance I don't quite understand your logic. But from what i see from your reply and attitude is that you have believed the negative things that others have said about the bible but haven't actually seen the content for urself? Correct me if I'm wrong. U were not born a Christian. No one is born a Christian. But I do encourage you, read the bible. If u hate it after reading it, then I can at least know that u have some basis on what ur saying. Tnx and God bless!
why is the God of Christianity is the right one? who in all of history can say i was dead but I am now alive? who can say i have died for all the sins of the world? who can say I am God and prove it? all the answer to all those questions is Jesus, and no other religion has that or claims that and there is your answer right there. the tomb is empty Jesus has risen, us as Christians come as narrow minded its not narrow minded if its true and it is true, so we arent narrow minded its in the Bible.
No one is an absolute relativist. Some things, however, are relative. Teaching people to commit fallacies to prevent fallacies is childish. I'm ready to debate with any of you when you wants to grow up and discuss the topic like an adult.
@NerdySabbath As no one has ever measured any place called hell this question has no answer yet. We know the temperature of a super nova, we have not measured the temperature of "hell".
@NerdySabbath Well if you mean Wonderland as the place MJ used to live then I am sure you can get a good average temperature measurement if you measure from many locations on the property, do it long enough and calculate the average, if you want based on seasons or just a sum and average. I'm not sure if there are any mountains or other natural features that would contribute to a different enough climate for that specific spot. Good luck though.
If they were going to do a visual representation of moral relativism, they should have ACTUALLY used examples of moral dilemmas, instead of completely irrelevant scientific problems. Relativism exists to some extent in everyone, because there are absolute truths and personal truths. Everyone experiences life differently, and we form our "truths" based off of what we learn. Sure there are extremes of relativism, but to dismiss it completely is ignorant.
Ray Comfort says that: "if you obey God, He will then transform you in the inside." This is the essense of the false gospel of our day. It saves no one. It is the gospel of Synergism, and is based on the sovereignty of man. it's focus is man, and his ability to obey, believe, repent. Sorry, but my bible says the opposite. My bible says that "Salvation is of the LORD", Jonah 2:9, 2 Pet 3:15 and that "unless a man is born again, he can not even see the kingdom of heaven". Repent Mr. Comfort.
Dude. Relativism is used as an argument for Christianity all the time. "Even if there is no God, it true TO ME." Bill O'Reilly said something like that. The question of whether religion, or Chrstianity specifically, is benefitial for people even if it's a false religion, is directly linked to the belief that all truth is left up the individual to define.
"0:23 You cannot make an absolute statement like you just made" That's also relativism, so stop whining. Bigot.
Wait, hold on, if submitting myself to god instantly gives me a new heart, new beliefs, new ambitions, and new desires, does that not fundamentally alter who I am? Essentially, I would cease to exist, and a new individual somewhat like myself would take my place. Even if your god does exist and what you're saying is true, it's not ME being saved at all, but some other person derived from me. The true me would die the second I "accept the Lord into my heart." Suicide by miracle.
@Xtremephoenix It's not that it's not you anymore, but that a part of you that was dead is now alive(your spirit). So you're not loosing something. That's why God has a plan for you, him, her, me, all tailored individually. It's not like your now being controlled by some puppet strings. God does not force himself upon you. Because your spirit is now alive, you have different desires. When you become a parent, your desires change too. Becoming a parent doesn't kill your old self.
Reply part 1: That's one way to see it. But can an experience not change your way of life or your views on the world and beyond? Isn't it experience in life that makes us who we are and why we choose certain things and why we uphold certain morals and values? Let me tell you, receiving Divine enlightenment is an extreme experience. It makes you doubt, not the person who you were, but the things you stood for, the choices you made.
Reply part 2: You will want to turn your life around, but because you do so rigorously, doesn't mean your old self becomes nothing. It is your old self that will be saved, but not by 'suicide by miracle', as you said very cleverly, but by taking on the wish of living for something more than just your earthly self. Pardon me if my English has some faults, it is not my native language :-P
"The best way to argue is to answer a question with a question?
This is the worst." That is PRECISELY what Jesus did among many things. Usually the ones asking the questions aren't really wanting an answer. But their accusations are masked as questions.
The example he used for believing if the sun is hot or cold is not a example of relativism. The sun being hot is a scientific fact, 2+2=4 is a mathematical equation. Relativism, stated in your own video is a Philosophical position. One has nothing to do with the other. Sure someone can believe that the sun is cold and 2+2=9, but we know that is incorrect due to the respective subjects they fall under. You don't go to philosophy class and debate addition or the temperature of fire.
H AHA HA this video is great. I am a christian and I have a christian channel. I love looking at other channels to see what they do. I love YOutube has such a huge christian community. I love it.
@biggamerjh1 "For with that judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged, and with that measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk 4:24"
It means that the measure you judge by is the same measure by which you will be judged. Okay so the measure is God's law. Wait, we're ALL going to be judged by God's law the Bible makes that very clear. In fact that judgement is inevitable. Therefore telling others about it is not judgemental since we're ALREADY judged by the law. Hope that clears it up
@biggamerjh1 Good! Because most just say the first verse. So we can judge if we have repented: turned from our sins and trust the Savior. You're only a hypocrite if you lie, and tell others to not to. because we will be judged by that same standard.
@biggamerjh1 Right! a man who puts his trust in Christ and has repented should NOT be sinning everyday, if you are something is definitely wrong with that picture. Sin should be the exception, not the rule: we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us, and we are a new creature in Christ. When sin is not the rule anymore, we are no longer a practicing adulterer, liar, blasphemous, covetous, idolater, and thief. If is not a mere desire to right, it is actually being a doer of the word.
Are you blind... like, do you read with your eyes shut??? I used deductive reasoning to show you why the Bible forbids pedpohilia (if sex is to be enjoyed within marriage, and the primary funtion of sex is procreation *according to the Bible of course* then a man, or woman who has sex or marries a girl or boy who has not yet reached the age of maturity, violates the purpose of sex and marriage).
The Bible is clear in the fact that sex is to be enjoyed within marriage. The Bible is clear that the primary function of sex is procreation. Pedophiles like children who are younger than sexual maturity. The Bible forbids incest, by the way - so, READ THE BIBLE!
Oh man did I make a bad career choice. If I could take the Delorean back in time and become a minister/evangelist so I could make some cash from manipulating weak minds and spewing nonsense. American Dream=Jesus.
Relativism? I am opposed to the proposition that oranges are orange or lemons are purple!. Go ahead, argue with me ya citrus lovers. Prove me wrong! Meh, its pointless...
if ray offends you you can find any preacher that agrees with your sins like rastas w smoking weed or mormons with having as many wives you want or the anything goes religion of unitarianism where nothings wrong short of pedophilia and murder. Heap up for yourselves preachers for your itching ears like camping, osteen, hinn, and falwell who don't have a clue what doctrine or moral absolutes are. camping has a clue but loves speaking from his own understanding.
@0:33 Wow...REALLY?!?! Ray, you've fallen off your soap box and hit your head.
The people you were talking to were saying that they can accept you and allow you to have your beliefs and your response that THEY were the ones being intolerant...do you OWN a dictionary?!
As to your GROSS over-simplification of "relativism," it steps over the line of intellectual honesty to the point of outright lying.
This was more embarrassing for you than the banana!!
@discountninjuh The same concept applies to the Old Testament Ten Commandments. If you want to live by the Two New Testament Commandments that Jesus taught, you must follow the Ten Old Testament Commandments.
And you are absolutely right about the Bible being written by men. The Bible was physically written with pen and paper and ink by Men. But the words, and the thoughts came from God. God used these men to write the Bible... plain and simple. :)
@discountninjuh Jesus summerized the ten commandments in Luke 10 into two general commandments. He said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind." He then said, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Now let me ask you this... Do you wish pedophilia, or incest, or rape onto yourself? Any healthy-minded individual would say no.
This is an excellent video. Relativism is silly. Unfortunately, its silliness has taken hold of our postmodern fuzziness, especially among young people, who are--as a whole--entitled to the point of narcissism.
I don't blame them entirely, however. They were raised in the 'self-esteem' years, when the most important value is self-adoration. So are we surprised at the explosion of relativism? What did we think would happen?
The day will come when everyone will witness his appearance,,from every disbeliever to the ones that will bow and praise him..no one can force anyone to believe in anything...thats why god gave us free will to think and believe in what we want..a test to see if you can have faith in him with out seeing from your own eyes..
you know it is so much easier to think there is no God and that one will never have to answer for their sins but that is a lie of satan. most who say they do not believe in God or the Bible have never put ANY research into the subject. most have never read the Bible much less studied it.. most have formed their atheist opinions because it is easy!
that was excellent.....SUBSCRIBED!!!!!!
batesblazin 2 days ago
WAY OF THE MASTER FOR THE FREAKING WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
MartelTheBondservant 3 days ago
I really pity the mustachio. Just so us can see that if you REALLY REALLY want to believe in something, you will find way to get to it, even if it's absurd.
I'm a Christian, by the way.
BlueFireBringer 3 weeks ago
comfort is a misguided shitbag but he seems to believe in what he says so I pity him rather than hate him. I wonder if deep down inside he realizes how much bullshit he spews forth
ShatteredMercury 3 weeks ago
ray comfort is an idiot
sorry8140 4 weeks ago
as an informatition i want to reclaim the nice math example he used in the background.
I claim that 1 + 1 = 10.
And I tell you that this is the truth. 1 + 1 = 10 is in fact the correct answer if you use the binary counting system (not even comman but the usual case in programming). So depending on what base you use, this simple example is either true or false. using base 10 or base 8 or base 16, this equation is false. but using base 2 this equation is true.
omb1987 1 month ago
@omb1987 in using base 2 is the equation true that 1+1 = 7?
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
@Proverbs1533 no, but if you look hard enough you might find a base where it is ;)
omb1987 2 weeks ago
@omb1987 So on that base (2) it is absolute and not dependant upon perspective?
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
@Proverbs1533 nothing is absolute. just because it is not valid in base 2 does not mean that there is no context where it is valid.
omb1987 2 weeks ago
@omb1987 If you say that nothing is absolute then aren't you suggeting that as an absolute statement? The denial of absolutes seems self contradicting. Math, no matter what context will be absolute within it's context. If you add a context that wasn't prior then you aren't dealing witht the previous absolute context but in that added context is simply a different absolute context
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
@Proverbs1533 ok now it gets philosophical:D. Of course my statement is also not absolute if you are take it like this. but this would bring us in some sort of recursive problem. For example what happens when Pinocchio says "By saying this sentence my nose will grow". It is a lie and true at the same time because by making it a lie (his nose grows when he lies) it will get true. you know what i am pointing at?
omb1987 2 weeks ago
@omb1987 By the way thank you for the conversation without any sort of insult or strife.
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
@Proverbs1533 BTW: why should I insult you? this is a normale discussion between two intelligent human beings. there is no need in insulting anyone and i don't wanted to convince anyone with anything. I was just making a statement to the hole "true in different context" discussion :). I just wanted to say that often, things get a different meaning by changing the perspective.
omb1987 2 weeks ago
@omb1987
The Pinocchio example you gave is a paradox working on magics that operate outside the laws of physics in the supernatural. The argument for the Christian God (though He may be supernatural) is intimately entangled in ordered rules we can perceive and understand, especially since God Himself is the very source of these rules.
trenton9 6 days ago
@omb1987
Perspective can be a closed system in this indifferent universe. The conscience may effect the universe on a supernatural level but for all intensive purposes, all that matters are the events that take place. How we felt about those events, the universe cares nothing about. The perspective of sympathy for Hiroshima victims doesn't bring them back to life. God has set in place rules that don't care or change according to our perspectives, however TRUE to us they may be.
trenton9 6 days ago
@Proverbs1533 I was giving an example. this does not mean that everything is true in every context. only that many things have more then one validmeaning
omb1987 2 weeks ago
Beautiful logic.
SerJahPhoto 1 month ago 3
Gee... I wonder why Ratings have been disabled. Like all religious fundamentalist videos on Youtube, whether they're homophobic, anti-evolution, anti-science, etc., have the ratings disabled.
MadHatter34784 1 month ago
Well something being hot or cold is relative. The sun is cold compared to most young stars.
Andromedonian 1 month ago
@Andromedonian Is the statement you made relative or is that absolute?
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
@Proverbs1533 The statement I made is true. Something being "hot" is relative, something being 6000 Kelvin is not relative. "Hot" and "Cold" are relative terms, that is a factual statement.
Andromedonian 2 weeks ago
@Andromedonian So it is an absolute statement? I'm curious as to whether you believe in the concept of absolutes
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
@Proverbs1533 "The sun is hot" is relative.
The statement I made is absolute. When something is relative it is implying comparison to something else.
Andromedonian 2 weeks ago
@Andromedonian I would be in agreement with you
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
So, when Jesus said, 'I am the Truth, the Life and the Way,' the relativists would argue with that....I can know this for sure: He saved me!
LuvinJesusynot 1 month ago
Wow, that makes no sence at all!
tangerinefarmer 2 months ago
Mark acting out that debate was hilarious! but I almost got confused a couple times lol
MissLeanaFaith 2 months ago 5
"You shouldn't judge" is a simple statement. It's not a judgement.
stoicsquirrel 6 months ago
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@stoicsquirrel : Per Webster's dictionary:
judge: to form an estimate, conclusion, or evaluation about something.
judgement or judgment: the process of forming an opinion by discerning and comparing.
Whether you like it or not, your statement of '"You shouldn't judge" is a simple statement. It's not a judgement.' is itself a judgement.
1517CalvinMartin 6 months ago
@1517CalvinMartin In the context of the video, the "judging" they were talking about was deciding another's guilt. "You should not decide another's guilt (or innocence)". I think you need to put down the weed and not try to get so philosophical.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel When it is told to someone that has done the act, then it means what they did was wrong. It say someone did wrong is a judgement. That is the point they are making. It's like if someone stole something, and another tells them "you shouldn't steal." It implies that what they did was wrong, and that is judgement.
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster You're reading too much in to this, too. It's no different than if I said that you shouldn't steal. I didn't judge you. I just told you that you shouldn't steal.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel I'm not reading too much into anything, you can't avoid implications. To imply something exist, and it is unavoidable, no matter how much you try to run from it, it will not just disappear because you want it to. If you told me that I shouldn't steal, I would ask you why? Because it is wrong to steal. Right?That is the implication. When something is stated indirectly, doesn't mean it isn't being said. U can lie by omission, just as well as submission. A half truth is still a lie.
thesangster 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel When you state, "too much" that is an exaggeration. Just because I find one thing, doesn't mean it is too much. You stated that it "is a simple statement". In English, you should know that simple statements can be filled with many principles. So just because a statement is simple doesn't mean you can't get a lot out of it. And if someone clearly sees it, then accused them or "judge" them for stating what they have seen. Isn't that ironic? lol
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster Ah... I see the problem. I don't think you know the difference between accusing someone and judging them. Look at our justice system. We have laws (don't steal, for example). The law itself doesn't judge. BUT, when you break the law, a judge will...judge you. Telling someone that something's wrong isn't the same thing as passing judgement on them for doing something wrong.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel Help me out here, are you saying that an "accusation" is different from "judgement"? Maybe you're not saying that, however, just in case you are here is what the thesaurus stated:
condemnation
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: blaming, conviction
Synonyms: ACCUSATION , blame, censure, damnation, denouncement, denunciation, disapproval, doom, JUDGMENT, proscription, reproach, reprobation, reproof, sentence, stricture
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster Synonym: A word or phrase that means exactly or NEARLY THE SAME as another word or phrase. They're close. But in the context of our conversation (or the video's) they aren't quite the same. BTW, yes, they are close in meaning with the word conviction, but not necessarily with each other.
Accuse: To charge with a shortcoming or error.
Judgement: The forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion.
One's at the beginning of the process; One's at the end.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel When someone says "you shouldn't judge" they are saying in essence, "you shouldn't accuse me". However, by them saying "you shouldn't judge, or accuse", they are also guilty of doing that same thing. Because I can turn and ask them, "then why are you accusing me of judging?" These are self-refuting statements. It's like stealing from a thief because he's a thief. Well if you steal from a thief, then you're a thief also. That is all the video is trying to show.
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster Uh, no. It's more like reminding a thief that it's wrong to steal.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel I'm not saying that the thief wouldn't learn a lesson from it; however, if a person steals, they are a thief, regardless of the intent. If you steal from a thief, then you are a thief also. Because you have taken something that doesn't belong to you without permission; however you can feel justified because you stole it from someone else that is a thief, so you'll continue to keep the item and enjoy the benefits of it. Since it is done with moral intent. C'mon that's bull. lol
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster Let me try it this way: Do you feel that it is wrong to judge other people?
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel It depends on how it is done. Jesus stated in John 7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." So He tells you how to judge, and how not to judge, so the answer is yes and no, it depends.
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster Now...Did you judge me when you said that was wrong (sometimes)? No. You made a simple statement that it is wrong (depending on the circumstances) to judge.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel Your question "did you judge me" .. is off based upon your initial question, "Do you feel it is wrong to judge other people?". Your question was general, and after I have answered it, you then point it towards yourself, and ask did I judge you? No, I didn't judge you, however I made a judgmental response. When I take a test that gives me multiple choices, or true or false choices, I have to make a judgment call on the answers. Same difference.
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster I don't think that making a judgement call is what people are talking about when they say, "you shouldn't judge".
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel Now that we are going back to the our initial statement, yes, it is not a judgment call based upon choose 2 say this is right or wrong as in my metaphor; however, there is an implication there. To tell some1 they shouldn't do something, is saying that what they doing is wrong, but stating it euphemistically. We cannot ignore implications. If I said, I'll dumb it down for u,I'm implying that you're not smart enough to get it. I can deny it, n say, your reading too much into it.
thesangster 5 months ago
@thesangster I give up. I don't see a problem with telling someone not to judge. I don't see at as judging them. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
stoicsquirrel 5 months ago
@stoicsquirrel lol, I was just about to say the same thing because I see that we are about to get into a wide circle. lol. Not a problem. I was an interesting debate. Yes, let us agree to disagree. Take care.
thesangster 5 months ago
awesome! Thanks!
AxisRock10 6 months ago
Well I have officially lost brain cells from watching this
NobleArrogance 6 months ago
relitivism is only applicable with unsubstantiated faith claims.
AmOverwatch 7 months ago
(palmface) Christians and their "logic".
AtheistYeti 7 months ago
Epistemological relativism is counter-argumented with the appeal to the truth of the proposition "epistemological relativism is true". However, this leads into epistemological scepticism or into epistemological foundationism. I don't see Christinanity fitting either of those alternatives, due to it's reliance on belief.
Brunnhilde1000 8 months ago
The example of whether the sun is hot or cold is not a good one to use. People can empirically prove that the sun is hot. You cannot do the same with religion.
zeppelin8 8 months ago
@zeppelin8 He said that he BELIEVES the sun is hot. What you are stating is KNOWING the sun is hot. So to believe it is in the absence of proof. Not to say that the proof doesn't exist, but at da moment the person making that claim doesn't have access to that proof. So in da meantime, he believes it to be so, but if someone that is debating with him believes it is cold, some1has to b right, wrong, or both are wrong, both can't be right. That is the point.
thesangster 5 months ago
most christian statements sound illogical at first, but at second glance, they sound even dumber
duckman0033 8 months ago
Its almost like there are 2 conversations going on. One literal and one on a teaching of relativity. The unbelievers arent getting the point of relativity and just hearing Ray being (sounding) judgemental. I think he should have been clear to the point as to WHAT he was trying to get across instead of arguing what seemed like his viewpoint on Christianity. It was all about relativity, right? I saw that, but the unbeliever?? Love you Ray and thanks for all your teachings!!!!!!!!!
vwyoutub 8 months ago
Dont worry I love his teachings, 99% of all his videos and his books, websites etc. Just this one video.......the unbelievers Ray is talking to may take what he is saying literally, not understanding that he is trying to teach the concept of relativity and that all points of are not equally valid. Ray is totally correct and I personally understand but if you listen to the video and hear from the unbelievers standpoint, it sounds like Ray is not being as understanding as the unbelievers are.
vwyoutub 8 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian Read your bible!!! JESUS commands us to Judge! Matthew chp 7
Soul7Patrol 8 months ago
@Soul7Patrol And yet He tells us to judge with the intent to improve each other and open each others eyes. So yes we judge, but we must judge ourselves as well.
TheTrojantroy 8 months ago
I am a Christian, spirit - filled and love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind. I don't know if I like this video though, it seems really a harsh way to talk to unbelievers. He is supposed to help them understand, not confuse them and hear them out, they are right in what they are say, the unbelievers, they are trying to accept Ray but Ray is "yelling" back at them, how can they possibly be open to his preaching?? Ray seems to have stepped out of his usually awesome preaching here....:(
vwyoutub 8 months ago
@vwyoutub Listern if you want TRUE convictions in the streets you need to share the hard truth!! How did JESUS preach in the streets? Luke 24:32 WITH CONVICTION and truth! would YOU dare tell JESUS he was too harsh? he set the perfect example for us when we are too evangelist.
Soul7Patrol 8 months ago
@Soul7Patrol Yes!! I TOTALLY AGREE!!! Amen.
vwyoutub 8 months ago
@vwyoutub Don't be confused on what is yelling, and speaking loudly so others can hear you.
Shoots1978 8 months ago
@vwyoutub I agree with you on this one. I find Ray focuses too much on merely debating in the street,. His open air preaching usually consists of bickering over how intellectually bankrupt non-believers are, rather than trying to understand their mindset, and then showing how Christ can fit within (or how Christ can improve) the framework of their philosophy. I would think that the latter would be a better approach, since this approach seems to turn more people away.
zeppelin8 8 months ago
This is sad stuff. It is one more reason not to be christian. Anyone that thinks this loudmouth makes sense, let alone wins any debate, is past reaching. He is intolerant of any views other than his own. Am man asks him why he is intolerant and he somehow concludes from that statement that "No, you are intolerant of me" and ends up quote the bible. Answer the effing question! He never answers a question, just diverts and overtalks. Who cares. This is among the worst of christian videos.
frontoparietal 8 months ago
@frontoparietal Sounds like you are also being intolerant toward his intolerance and also judging his intolerance. That is called hypocrisy. Society has reverted to these forms of hypocrisy because people cannot deal with the truth. Jesus said He was the Only Way and that all others led to destruction. Now the simple truth is, some believe Him, and some don't.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
The postmodern, moral relativist doesn't understand at all what Ray is saying. In other words, it is self-refuting.
theocratickingdom30 9 months ago
It all one big candy eye lie ~ if he was here to day he would be made. For who one who makes knows about judging. Judge is to put a pond ones self living style to an other. This guy is no god's words. i!iii!!i!i!i!!ii
xX666JAVIER666Xx 9 months ago
Wow... countering logic with presentation of a fabricated paradox. I may not have proper terminology here but you know what I am getting at.
somerandompagan 9 months ago
Come on Ray, don't judge the lost, develop a secular non-confrontational friendship with them for a few months first and eventually through osmosis they will want to know Jesus, even though you haven't mentioned him. :D
Great video. Thanks for showing how to simply cut to the chase, and render as foolish, the intellectual's argument.
CTYankeeinTexas 9 months ago
...so based on what i see it, my Jewish brother left His Jewish roots ans follows a Religion that has Zero tolerance, towards not only his own people but every one else,
Shalom Aleichem, let the true living Elohim, from our for-fathers, be merciful on Mankind !!!
LIQUIDFLUIDR12X 9 months ago
Comfort TOTALLY misunderstood that man!
Comfort (supposedly) said: "My god is the right god" (which is an absolute statement, no?)
BeerMan said: "How can you say "My god is the one", no one can say that!"
Comfort: "one moment, you can not make an absolute statement like you've just made"
HE SAID THAT, BECAUSE __YOU__ MADE AN ABSOLUTE STATEMENT! "MY GOD IS THE RIGHT ONE" IS AN ABSOLUTE STATEMENT! WHICH ACCORDING TO COMFORT CAN'T BE MADE!
DonOfTheInternet 9 months ago
Conversion is not a miracle, it can be attributed to the well documented psychological phenomonon of cognitive dissonance.
redcommander27 9 months ago
So sad to watch fools fool themselves. If it makes them happy, well, so long as they don't vote based on it I'm cool. But please, never cross my path with your soapbox. Or do. I'll embarrass you in public. :)
omigrad 9 months ago
LOL didn't think I'd have to agree with Ray Comfort. He is right...Moral relativism though useful over the last century at breaking down bigotry does fail as a foundation for knowing truly what is objectively good and what is not. Because I do not believe in moral relativism I can and do say that Ray's brand of morality is ethically challenged in some areas and totally wrong in others. And that has nothing to do with his irrational superstitious belief system.
PolemicisTdotNet 9 months ago
Children repeat things that are said. Not adults. That was the most childish video i have ever seen. Adults are supposed to discuss things rationally. Jesus in the bible is the one that said not to judge. (Matt 7:1-5). You Christians are the worst at not living your lives how Jesus taught you too. You should not even call yourself one.
innippon 10 months ago 4
@innippon You Christians? How dare you judge me for judging. Christ judged people all the time and when is said not to judge it was within the context of self righteous hypocrisy.
Proverbs1533 2 weeks ago
Haha this is awesome. :)
Once this preacher was discussing christianity with this secular DJ and i cant remember what he said word for word or how this conversation started but i do remember the DJ said something like "i think there is no absolutes in ur religion" the preacher said "are absolutly sure there are no absolutes?" DJ said "absolutly" End of conversation! lol :)
MegaLoveRevolution 10 months ago
I believe if i owe you $10,000 , i can just give you $1 and we're squared away.
"Still believe all truths are true?"
mymaptosuccess 10 months ago
ah religion, you make me lol
fighterace2688 10 months ago 2
@fighterace2688 Be respectful man.
treasuredroperX 10 months ago
@treasuredroperX thats a big negatory
fighterace2688 10 months ago
@fighterace2688 Well, just because they are worshiping extraterrestrials, does not mean you need to be disrespectful.
treasuredroperX 10 months ago
Right Is Right, and Wrong Ain't Right !!
In the end... Right / Truth will prevail !
Linda4Yeshua 10 months ago
This is the worst video ever. This makes NO sense whatsoever. This video tells you pretty much that you can be judgmental and close minded. All you have to do is refute what they say and BAM your right? What's wrong with accepting other peoples beliefs and faiths?
foxek22 10 months ago
so let me just ask right hear if you sin all of the comandmeths o what the o mighty lord will punish you to hell thats sick why wuld he torture you and i feal as if people are just acting like they love god becuase they dont want to go to hell i feal as if thats worng and people just dont care all they do is belive butt not fallow its sick what jesus christ dose please aswer my quistins
vengfullzealot 10 months ago
I love this video!!!!
cogiclady09 10 months ago
So what Ray Comfort is saying is everyone is wrong but him and his followers. Just turning the argument around onto the person who made the argument is NOT refuting it and does NOT hold any weight in a debate. It's all completely redundant on both sides.
ThePhilosophersAbyss 10 months ago 2
@ThePhilosophersAbyss very much agreed sir/madam.
foxek22 10 months ago
This is the most stupidest video ever made. Beliefs ARE relative, facts are not. Yes, the sun IS hot. You can't refute that. You CAN refute if god exists or not because there is no proof. This isn't a fact. Not everything is relative. So this argument is stupid, it doesn't prove they're right either way. People are so dumb.
KakashiHatake2121 10 months ago 2
if we are all the "son of 'god'" , than what made Jesus so special?
MasterOfCoinsidance 10 months ago
@MasterOfCoinsidance Read the bible man and you'll know. That's the problem. People don't read but assume they understand.
bendyamin86 10 months ago
@bendyamin86 I have not yet read the bible. However i have a deep understanding as i have recieved enlightenment after an epiphony. I believe most of the ideas but, the bible was interpreted by MAN ,which is where bias ideas may enter the equation. i distrust most religion but was born a Cristian. i seem to think that we were granted certain human tendancies/intelligance though alien intervention, as a test of our souls
MasterOfCoinsidance 10 months ago
@MasterOfCoinsidance I don't quite understand your logic. But from what i see from your reply and attitude is that you have believed the negative things that others have said about the bible but haven't actually seen the content for urself? Correct me if I'm wrong. U were not born a Christian. No one is born a Christian. But I do encourage you, read the bible. If u hate it after reading it, then I can at least know that u have some basis on what ur saying. Tnx and God bless!
bendyamin86 10 months ago
there will never be scientific proof of god, because that would defeat 'god's' objective.
MasterOfCoinsidance 10 months ago
why is the God of Christianity is the right one? who in all of history can say i was dead but I am now alive? who can say i have died for all the sins of the world? who can say I am God and prove it? all the answer to all those questions is Jesus, and no other religion has that or claims that and there is your answer right there. the tomb is empty Jesus has risen, us as Christians come as narrow minded its not narrow minded if its true and it is true, so we arent narrow minded its in the Bible.
danwazhere7 11 months ago
Lets get some evidence of God. I'm not scared until I know I should be scared of something.
KeshnerfFilms 11 months ago
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TheGrandisland 11 months ago
No one is an absolute relativist. Some things, however, are relative. Teaching people to commit fallacies to prevent fallacies is childish. I'm ready to debate with any of you when you wants to grow up and discuss the topic like an adult.
MrSexypancake 11 months ago 2
@MrSexypancake exactly my point.
KakashiHatake2121 10 months ago
This sun is hot compared to what? The sun is cold compared to the center of a super nova or the event horizon of a black hole.
bogusnachos 11 months ago 8
@bogusnachos This sun is hot compared to what? ............the sun is hot compared to hell
hemet92544 7 months ago
@hemet92544 so super novas are hotter than hell?
NerdySabbath 7 months ago
@NerdySabbath As no one has ever measured any place called hell this question has no answer yet. We know the temperature of a super nova, we have not measured the temperature of "hell".
scrap222666 7 months ago
@scrap222666 I'm currently in the process of measuring the temperature of wonderland myself.
NerdySabbath 7 months ago
@NerdySabbath Well if you mean Wonderland as the place MJ used to live then I am sure you can get a good average temperature measurement if you measure from many locations on the property, do it long enough and calculate the average, if you want based on seasons or just a sum and average. I'm not sure if there are any mountains or other natural features that would contribute to a different enough climate for that specific spot. Good luck though.
scrap222666 7 months ago
@scrap222666 Magic Johnson used to live in wonderland? :0
NerdySabbath 7 months ago
@NerdySabbath Well as there are no absolute truths - maybe.
scrap222666 7 months ago
I am sure there is no god. I am sure ray is a fraud.
bogusnachos 11 months ago
Is the sun hot??? The sun is a physical thing that is testable.. If their is a GOd you can not test it no matter what religion...
justcoolforyou 11 months ago
If they were going to do a visual representation of moral relativism, they should have ACTUALLY used examples of moral dilemmas, instead of completely irrelevant scientific problems. Relativism exists to some extent in everyone, because there are absolute truths and personal truths. Everyone experiences life differently, and we form our "truths" based off of what we learn. Sure there are extremes of relativism, but to dismiss it completely is ignorant.
laceyf53 1 year ago 2
sorry, but every time I see a video as fail as this, I can't help but think their trolling...then I realize that their not...their just idiots
QadeemSamir 1 year ago
just like many say "there is no absolute", and take it as an absolute value
so it is "absolutely no absolute"
moral relativism itself is an illogical joke
newtestube 1 year ago 2
I WANT THAT EPISODE~!
sherlockhome4822 1 year ago 3
Ray Comfort says that: "if you obey God, He will then transform you in the inside." This is the essense of the false gospel of our day. It saves no one. It is the gospel of Synergism, and is based on the sovereignty of man. it's focus is man, and his ability to obey, believe, repent. Sorry, but my bible says the opposite. My bible says that "Salvation is of the LORD", Jonah 2:9, 2 Pet 3:15 and that "unless a man is born again, he can not even see the kingdom of heaven". Repent Mr. Comfort.
mitchnicholscpa 1 year ago
I'M USING LOUD VOICES AND THAT MEANS I'M RIGHT.
I FEEL BIGGER BECAUSE I HAVE A CAMERA CREW BACKING ME UP.
I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE A SMART ARGUMENT I MIGHT BE IN TROUBLE.
I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANY OTHER RELIGION BUT YOU MUST RESPECT MINE.
WHY?
BECAUSE I'M USING LOUD VOICES AND THAT MEANS I'M RIGHT.
I FEEL BIG...... (repeat circular argument... logic often used in the proof of god using the bible.)
hawkister 1 year ago
Dude I totatlly agree with you. I don't go yelling at Christians telling them to not become a Christian.
DrFunkVG 1 year ago
This might be on the list of the 10 dumbest videos from Thewayofthemaster
Vegepen 1 year ago
@pyrrho314 is like this ~ sorta ~ probably more narcissistic
TJae1 1 year ago
Dude. Relativism is used as an argument for Christianity all the time. "Even if there is no God, it true TO ME." Bill O'Reilly said something like that. The question of whether religion, or Chrstianity specifically, is benefitial for people even if it's a false religion, is directly linked to the belief that all truth is left up the individual to define.
"0:23 You cannot make an absolute statement like you just made" That's also relativism, so stop whining. Bigot.
Pomme843 1 year ago
Wait, hold on, if submitting myself to god instantly gives me a new heart, new beliefs, new ambitions, and new desires, does that not fundamentally alter who I am? Essentially, I would cease to exist, and a new individual somewhat like myself would take my place. Even if your god does exist and what you're saying is true, it's not ME being saved at all, but some other person derived from me. The true me would die the second I "accept the Lord into my heart." Suicide by miracle.
Xtremephoenix 1 year ago
@Xtremephoenix It's not that it's not you anymore, but that a part of you that was dead is now alive(your spirit). So you're not loosing something. That's why God has a plan for you, him, her, me, all tailored individually. It's not like your now being controlled by some puppet strings. God does not force himself upon you. Because your spirit is now alive, you have different desires. When you become a parent, your desires change too. Becoming a parent doesn't kill your old self.
giantsfan245 1 year ago
@Xtremephoenix
Reply part 1: That's one way to see it. But can an experience not change your way of life or your views on the world and beyond? Isn't it experience in life that makes us who we are and why we choose certain things and why we uphold certain morals and values? Let me tell you, receiving Divine enlightenment is an extreme experience. It makes you doubt, not the person who you were, but the things you stood for, the choices you made.
Snowpact 1 year ago
@Xtremephoenix
Reply part 2: You will want to turn your life around, but because you do so rigorously, doesn't mean your old self becomes nothing. It is your old self that will be saved, but not by 'suicide by miracle', as you said very cleverly, but by taking on the wish of living for something more than just your earthly self. Pardon me if my English has some faults, it is not my native language :-P
Snowpact 1 year ago
God's judgement cant be just and fair when the world isnt
purepwn01 1 year ago
"The best way to argue is to answer a question with a question?
This is the worst." That is PRECISELY what Jesus did among many things. Usually the ones asking the questions aren't really wanting an answer. But their accusations are masked as questions.
DJsStratoArt 1 year ago 11
This is guitarded.
The best way to argue is to answer a question with a question?
This is the worst.
Thumbs down
darkestglobe 1 year ago
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darkestglobe 1 year ago
Can Ray Comfort ever speak without an immense amount of hypocrisy and ignorance spewing forth?
KOICrowz 1 year ago
The example he used for believing if the sun is hot or cold is not a example of relativism. The sun being hot is a scientific fact, 2+2=4 is a mathematical equation. Relativism, stated in your own video is a Philosophical position. One has nothing to do with the other. Sure someone can believe that the sun is cold and 2+2=9, but we know that is incorrect due to the respective subjects they fall under. You don't go to philosophy class and debate addition or the temperature of fire.
carpet2222 1 year ago 2
2:32 Well your beliefs are your beliefs and his beliefs are his. ACCEPT THAT!
Ray - "No!"
Hahahahahahaha! You know, you never think of 'no' as an answer until someone actually says it. Great job and God Bless.
moonsailor500 1 year ago
H AHA HA this video is great. I am a christian and I have a christian channel. I love looking at other channels to see what they do. I love YOutube has such a huge christian community. I love it.
ChristianCutie83 1 year ago
@ChristianCutie83 it doesn't really. pretty small compared to the atheist community.
DebateMeTheists 1 year ago
@DebateMeTheists Yeah you are right. But I still love how many of us are rocking this site!
ChristianCutie83 1 year ago
Judge not lest ye be judged.
biggamerjh1 1 year ago
@biggamerjh1 What passage and what does the whole scripture and context say?
Creationcreed 1 year ago
@Creationcreed Lk. 6.3738, 4142
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
biggamerjh1 1 year ago
@biggamerjh1 "For with that judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged, and with that measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk 4:24"
It means that the measure you judge by is the same measure by which you will be judged. Okay so the measure is God's law. Wait, we're ALL going to be judged by God's law the Bible makes that very clear. In fact that judgement is inevitable. Therefore telling others about it is not judgemental since we're ALREADY judged by the law. Hope that clears it up
moonsailor500 1 year ago
@biggamerjh1 Good! Because most just say the first verse. So we can judge if we have repented: turned from our sins and trust the Savior. You're only a hypocrite if you lie, and tell others to not to. because we will be judged by that same standard.
Creationcreed 1 year ago
@Creationcreed Again we get down to let he who is without sin throw the first stone...
biggamerjh1 1 year ago
@biggamerjh1 Right! a man who puts his trust in Christ and has repented should NOT be sinning everyday, if you are something is definitely wrong with that picture. Sin should be the exception, not the rule: we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us, and we are a new creature in Christ. When sin is not the rule anymore, we are no longer a practicing adulterer, liar, blasphemous, covetous, idolater, and thief. If is not a mere desire to right, it is actually being a doer of the word.
Creationcreed 1 year ago
Arguing on the internet is like running in a special needs race. >>"
BronzeOrwin 1 year ago
@discountninjuh
Are you blind... like, do you read with your eyes shut??? I used deductive reasoning to show you why the Bible forbids pedpohilia (if sex is to be enjoyed within marriage, and the primary funtion of sex is procreation *according to the Bible of course* then a man, or woman who has sex or marries a girl or boy who has not yet reached the age of maturity, violates the purpose of sex and marriage).
Incest: Leviticus 18.6-18.
...read a book
aveyowyns 1 year ago
gooooooood video !!! wow
smack93 1 year ago
@smack93 Dittoez. †♥†
mochamistressofmusic 1 year ago
1 Corinthians 10:15
I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
Proverbs 20:11
Even a child is known by his acts, whether or not what he does is pure and right.
1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
HolyRevelation 1 year ago
@discountninjuh
Are you being thick on purpose?
The Bible is clear in the fact that sex is to be enjoyed within marriage. The Bible is clear that the primary function of sex is procreation. Pedophiles like children who are younger than sexual maturity. The Bible forbids incest, by the way - so, READ THE BIBLE!
aveyowyns 1 year ago
Oh man did I make a bad career choice. If I could take the Delorean back in time and become a minister/evangelist so I could make some cash from manipulating weak minds and spewing nonsense. American Dream=Jesus.
Relativism? I am opposed to the proposition that oranges are orange or lemons are purple!. Go ahead, argue with me ya citrus lovers. Prove me wrong! Meh, its pointless...
Mcfly88 1 year ago
Ray ..i love the boldness..continiue in the power of HIS might!!
Goodlife51 1 year ago
if ray offends you you can find any preacher that agrees with your sins like rastas w smoking weed or mormons with having as many wives you want or the anything goes religion of unitarianism where nothings wrong short of pedophilia and murder. Heap up for yourselves preachers for your itching ears like camping, osteen, hinn, and falwell who don't have a clue what doctrine or moral absolutes are. camping has a clue but loves speaking from his own understanding.
bobadork 1 year ago
@discountninjah incest and paedophilia are types of sexual immorality, and there is plenty of warning against that in the Bible.
jemb0dog 1 year ago
@jemb0dog hahhah the bible gives mention to incest and also doesn't condemn some forms. i would say it far more pro incest.
DebateMeTheists 1 year ago
Great stuff!
jemb0dog 1 year ago
@0:33 Wow...REALLY?!?! Ray, you've fallen off your soap box and hit your head.
The people you were talking to were saying that they can accept you and allow you to have your beliefs and your response that THEY were the ones being intolerant...do you OWN a dictionary?!
As to your GROSS over-simplification of "relativism," it steps over the line of intellectual honesty to the point of outright lying.
This was more embarrassing for you than the banana!!
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@discountninjuh The same concept applies to the Old Testament Ten Commandments. If you want to live by the Two New Testament Commandments that Jesus taught, you must follow the Ten Old Testament Commandments.
And you are absolutely right about the Bible being written by men. The Bible was physically written with pen and paper and ink by Men. But the words, and the thoughts came from God. God used these men to write the Bible... plain and simple. :)
MrShawnsquatch 1 year ago
@discountninjuh Jesus summerized the ten commandments in Luke 10 into two general commandments. He said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind." He then said, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Now let me ask you this... Do you wish pedophilia, or incest, or rape onto yourself? Any healthy-minded individual would say no.
MrShawnsquatch 1 year ago
Totally awesome. Keep up the great work for the Lord. Be Blessed!!
LovesSockMonkey 1 year ago
Great stuff.
Cookey77 1 year ago
THIS IS NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!!!!!!
ElvisVT 1 year ago
This is an excellent video. Relativism is silly. Unfortunately, its silliness has taken hold of our postmodern fuzziness, especially among young people, who are--as a whole--entitled to the point of narcissism.
I don't blame them entirely, however. They were raised in the 'self-esteem' years, when the most important value is self-adoration. So are we surprised at the explosion of relativism? What did we think would happen?
Sweet92Sue 1 year ago 2
The day will come when everyone will witness his appearance,,from every disbeliever to the ones that will bow and praise him..no one can force anyone to believe in anything...thats why god gave us free will to think and believe in what we want..a test to see if you can have faith in him with out seeing from your own eyes..
outsider628 1 year ago
you know it is so much easier to think there is no God and that one will never have to answer for their sins but that is a lie of satan. most who say they do not believe in God or the Bible have never put ANY research into the subject. most have never read the Bible much less studied it.. most have formed their atheist opinions because it is easy!
betty4gators 1 year ago
Jesus, Paul and Peter were all street preachers. Screa