Funny, Europeans (specifically, the Romans) removed Jews from Israel; collectively made life difficult for their imported Jews (barring the rare philo-semitic ruler e.g. Casimir the Great or Oliver Cromwell); spent much of the past 2000 years desiring to banish the Jews (except during the Holocaust when Jews were prevented from leaving Europe); and now disapprove of them living in their original home. Methinks the Europeans' problems with Jews stem from the Jews' existence and not their actions.
Oblivious to the fact that Israel broke the ceasefire all the while enforcing an embargo.
When Israel broke the ceasefire they killed 4 (or 6) Palestinians. Hamas retaliate by firing shitty rockets killing less people and Israel retaliate by FUCKING EVERYTHING UP. We're talking dead babies crushed by tanks. It's some fucked up shit I'm telling you. /watch?v=m9mkRiGbgZg
@Cheedillow Watched the video... Maybe if it wasn't blatant anti-Israel propaganda, I'd give it more regard. This, btw, was kind of the point of Hannan's speech
How about the Goldstone report, written by a so-called Israel-loving Jew, saying Israel was guilty of war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity. You could also look at reporting on Gaza in the Israeli media. So you think the video I posted is anti-Israeli propaganda, perhaps its a bit sensationalist but its mostly factual. As opposed to the same old "they're terrorists" rhetoric. You could also see what this Jewish MP has to say /watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
@Cheedillow Again, you cited a video that showed a one-sided hate speech against Israel. As for the reports and the Israeli media's reaction, I would think you'd be happy that a government allowed its own to criticize itself freely.
Once more, Dan Hannan's response was appropriate - Israel is not free from guilt, but is by no means undiplomatic, as long as the terms don't threaten their survival... and who said I thought Palestinians were terrorists?
If imprisoning 1.5 million people with limited access to food, medicine and other supplies isn't undiplomatic than you and I have very different definitions of undiplomatic.
@Cheedillow ... and I suppose the only thing Hamas is guilty of is "firing a few shitty rockets?"
For the third time, no context, no attempt to address the underlying conflict, just hatred for Israel and an attempt to discredit its right to exist, which is exactly the kind of support that Palestinians DON'T need.
What are you talking about? You seem to be in the business of dismissing any criticism of Israel as "hate-speech", even when its being spoken by a Jew who is evidently not an staunch anti-Zionist. I'm pretty sure I didn't even remotely bring up its right to exist.
May I remind you that Hamas was democratically elected. In times of hardship extremism always prevails. And the embargo is a cruel collective punishment. Are you denying that there's an embargo?
@Cheedillow Just because Hamas was elected by its own doesn't mean its foreign policy is beyond reproach. Had they not continuously taken military support from regimes intent on toppling the Israeli government, perhaps the embargo would not be in place.
Here's my larger point - you called Dan Hannan a cunt because he called for a more impartial report. And all of your citations are sensationalist, one sided, and don't propose alternate solutions. This hurts your credibility.
@portalatat Israel has offered the Arabs a Palestinian state, the Arabs refuse because their aim is the total destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews.
@iainmclaughlan1975 Well done, there have been Muslims, Christians there as well. If we're using the genetic argument, Palestinians share far more DNA with those who have lived in that region historically than European Jews who migrated there.
@iainmclaughlan1975 That's their home and where they should live. They certainly didn't own the majority of the land of what is today Israel though. In fact, they only owned a tiny percentage of it compared to what Jews (including European ones) have assumed control of today. The only people who have a legitimate claim to that land are the ones who already lived there for generations pre-1948 and the Palestinian-Arabs (many of whom are Christian).
There will not be a peaceful two-state solution. The Palestinians and other Arabs do not want this. There can only be a one-state solution. They need to solve this problem militarily, and we need to stop delaying the inevitable and let it happen.
I honestly think that to take from this that Dan Hannan is somehow "In the Zionist's pocket", you have to, as Hannan said of this report, strip it of all context. I hear a principled and solid point, where he points out that a two state solution is clearly the best option for both parties as it will allow for stable dialogue, where the current situation simply allows for radical elements on both sides to act without effective retribution. Why would Israel want destabalization in Gaza?
@Bluehero345 The only reason they would want destabilization is to more easily move in and assume control, but as Israel has had ample opportunity to do so in the past, and have moved forces out of Gaza repeatedly throughout history to allow for Palestinian control, I have to wonder if those harsh critics of Israel truly recognize the historical context of the conflict they argue over so passionately.
@Bluehero345 Do you? Things escalated when Israel open its borders to invite all Jews to 'return home'. The Jewish population grew pushing out and out numbered the Pals. Israel got U.S. $ (but not honored agreem't terms); European countries supported Jewish exodus (most were the poor lot); Isreali gov't gave $ (U.S. $) and provided housing (paid by U.S. $); Jewish population explode; Pals, like U.S. Indians. Your comment is twisted truth like Goldman Sachs in the housing bubble.
Mr Hannan: Israel doesn't destroy Palestinian infrastructure, it destroys Palestinian lives, by hundreds, everytime it attacks Gaza with heavy military equipment, when Palestinians don't have an army (and are not allowed to have one). Casualties for Israel: 33 soldiers - Palestinian casualties: over 1400 civilians (more than 50% under the age of 15). I guess the checks you receive from generous zionist donators, and attention through zionist media, prevent you from seeing the problem.
@ML6331 Not only that, the biggest strength Israeli has is that all mighty and true god, money, which they got from American tax dollars and the Federal Reserve (a private banking system created by a Jewish person) who funnels $ in covert methods to Israel. Religion creates the human power to make the money power work. That region's history is well documented in the United Nation's website. What's happening to Pals happened to the American Indians. Not on their side, no $ for you--power.
Please tell me I didn't just see this. I really loved Daniel Hannan up until about 2 minutes ago. He's obviously on the payroll somewhere. Scratch him off the list of legitimate Conservatives I believe in (the list is microscopic).
@fullthrottlealways He is of the list thats why he is in EU parliment his own party don't like his views on NHS and welfare because they know it would destroy their party reputation in britain, what little they have.
@fullthrottlealways Why, because he's telling the truth? Just scratch them off if they don't agree. I guess that's why people like you keep making the same mistakes over and over again. If you care to know the truth find it on the United Nation's website. But I doubt you will, for some lies is a better partner in bed than the truth--less work.
israel destroys schools, fires white phospherous on hospitals, destroys ambulances, all in an effort to destroy the spirit and will of the palestineans.
as one israeli soldier put it, "it feels like we're a kid with a magnifying glass, destroying ants.
how much can an ant retaliate? how can it protect itself? the claim that hamas uses civilians to protect itself has been debunked. israel should be put in front of a court and prosecuted for war-crimes similar to nazi germany.
hamas and hezbollah shoot rockets to kill civilians. israel attacks to kill terrorists, which, by the way, are shooting rockets, using civilians as a shelter.
@goPistons06 But this was during the war of 2006 beetween Israel and Lebanon and it was caused by hanging of the Hezbollah and Israel at the frontier. Could you give me a date when Hezbollah shoot rocket to during a peace treaty?
@vide0gameCaster Get this information yourself, go to the United Nation website. Learn to do research for yourself if you seek the truth--not someone's say so.
@drummer4life534 I know but it is a bit odd don't you think. you make a powerful point and suddenly you sit down and nothing happens they move on to something else...
Funny, Europeans (specifically, the Romans) removed Jews from Israel; collectively made life difficult for their imported Jews (barring the rare philo-semitic ruler e.g. Casimir the Great or Oliver Cromwell); spent much of the past 2000 years desiring to banish the Jews (except during the Holocaust when Jews were prevented from leaving Europe); and now disapprove of them living in their original home. Methinks the Europeans' problems with Jews stem from the Jews' existence and not their actions.
RenShiWu 1 week ago
Daniel for prime minister
parasean22 3 weeks ago
Oblivious to the fact that Israel broke the ceasefire all the while enforcing an embargo.
When Israel broke the ceasefire they killed 4 (or 6) Palestinians. Hamas retaliate by firing shitty rockets killing less people and Israel retaliate by FUCKING EVERYTHING UP. We're talking dead babies crushed by tanks. It's some fucked up shit I'm telling you. /watch?v=m9mkRiGbgZg
Cheedillow 3 weeks ago
@Cheedillow ...u mean the Palestinian babies crawl under the
tanks and get squashed by the israeli tanks?? shame but y do
they do that?? cant anyone stop this baby-islamist terrorists??
ratzP 2 weeks ago
@Cheedillow Watched the video... Maybe if it wasn't blatant anti-Israel propaganda, I'd give it more regard. This, btw, was kind of the point of Hannan's speech
22finishline 2 weeks ago
@22finishline
How about the Goldstone report, written by a so-called Israel-loving Jew, saying Israel was guilty of war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity. You could also look at reporting on Gaza in the Israeli media. So you think the video I posted is anti-Israeli propaganda, perhaps its a bit sensationalist but its mostly factual. As opposed to the same old "they're terrorists" rhetoric. You could also see what this Jewish MP has to say /watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
Cheedillow 2 weeks ago
@Cheedillow Again, you cited a video that showed a one-sided hate speech against Israel. As for the reports and the Israeli media's reaction, I would think you'd be happy that a government allowed its own to criticize itself freely.
Once more, Dan Hannan's response was appropriate - Israel is not free from guilt, but is by no means undiplomatic, as long as the terms don't threaten their survival... and who said I thought Palestinians were terrorists?
22finishline 1 week ago
@22finishline
If imprisoning 1.5 million people with limited access to food, medicine and other supplies isn't undiplomatic than you and I have very different definitions of undiplomatic.
Cheedillow 1 week ago
@Cheedillow ... and I suppose the only thing Hamas is guilty of is "firing a few shitty rockets?"
For the third time, no context, no attempt to address the underlying conflict, just hatred for Israel and an attempt to discredit its right to exist, which is exactly the kind of support that Palestinians DON'T need.
22finishline 1 week ago
@22finishline
What are you talking about? You seem to be in the business of dismissing any criticism of Israel as "hate-speech", even when its being spoken by a Jew who is evidently not an staunch anti-Zionist. I'm pretty sure I didn't even remotely bring up its right to exist.
May I remind you that Hamas was democratically elected. In times of hardship extremism always prevails. And the embargo is a cruel collective punishment. Are you denying that there's an embargo?
Cheedillow 1 week ago
@Cheedillow Just because Hamas was elected by its own doesn't mean its foreign policy is beyond reproach. Had they not continuously taken military support from regimes intent on toppling the Israeli government, perhaps the embargo would not be in place.
Here's my larger point - you called Dan Hannan a cunt because he called for a more impartial report. And all of your citations are sensationalist, one sided, and don't propose alternate solutions. This hurts your credibility.
22finishline 1 week ago 2
@22finishline
I'm finished with you. Goldstone report. Read it.
Cheedillow 1 week ago
Oh Hannan you enormous cunt.
Cheedillow 3 weeks ago
THIS BRIT IS GOOD!!!
Carry on, mate !!!!!
hp19501990 3 weeks ago 2
Great speech but you can kiss bye bye to that promotion!
itsanillusion100 1 month ago
Maybe the Israeli ordinary citizen wants a Palestinian state but not the Israeli's rulers, obviously
portalatat 2 months ago
@portalatat Israel has offered the Arabs a Palestinian state, the Arabs refuse because their aim is the total destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews.
iainmclaughlan1975 1 month ago
@iainmclaughlan1975 no they don't.
ChocIced 1 month ago
@ChocIced yes they have, look it up
iainmclaughlan1975 1 month ago
@iainmclaughlan1975 dont talk shit
qloudz 1 month ago
@iainmclaughlan1975 they took their land and now they are offering a Palestinian state.. oh irony irony..
mrk1lla 1 month ago
@mrk1lla There have been Jewish people in Jerusalem for thousands of years.
iainmclaughlan1975 1 month ago
@iainmclaughlan1975 Well done, there have been Muslims, Christians there as well. If we're using the genetic argument, Palestinians share far more DNA with those who have lived in that region historically than European Jews who migrated there.
ChocIced 1 month ago
@ChocIced What about the DNA of the Jews that have lived there for thousands of years?
iainmclaughlan1975 1 month ago
@iainmclaughlan1975 That's their home and where they should live. They certainly didn't own the majority of the land of what is today Israel though. In fact, they only owned a tiny percentage of it compared to what Jews (including European ones) have assumed control of today. The only people who have a legitimate claim to that land are the ones who already lived there for generations pre-1948 and the Palestinian-Arabs (many of whom are Christian).
ChocIced 1 month ago
Really a good spokesperson!!!
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ashwadhwani 2 months ago
WHAT A JEW SHILL
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sssssjjjj1 2 months ago
There will not be a peaceful two-state solution. The Palestinians and other Arabs do not want this. There can only be a one-state solution. They need to solve this problem militarily, and we need to stop delaying the inevitable and let it happen.
SuperSpaceMaster 2 months ago
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grow2b 2 months ago
Don't know much about this guy, but I like him! He seems very well informed and reasonable!
TRUTHringsTRUE 3 months ago
I honestly think that to take from this that Dan Hannan is somehow "In the Zionist's pocket", you have to, as Hannan said of this report, strip it of all context. I hear a principled and solid point, where he points out that a two state solution is clearly the best option for both parties as it will allow for stable dialogue, where the current situation simply allows for radical elements on both sides to act without effective retribution. Why would Israel want destabalization in Gaza?
Bluehero345 4 months ago 2
@Bluehero345 The only reason they would want destabilization is to more easily move in and assume control, but as Israel has had ample opportunity to do so in the past, and have moved forces out of Gaza repeatedly throughout history to allow for Palestinian control, I have to wonder if those harsh critics of Israel truly recognize the historical context of the conflict they argue over so passionately.
Bluehero345 4 months ago
@Bluehero345 Do you? Things escalated when Israel open its borders to invite all Jews to 'return home'. The Jewish population grew pushing out and out numbered the Pals. Israel got U.S. $ (but not honored agreem't terms); European countries supported Jewish exodus (most were the poor lot); Isreali gov't gave $ (U.S. $) and provided housing (paid by U.S. $); Jewish population explode; Pals, like U.S. Indians. Your comment is twisted truth like Goldman Sachs in the housing bubble.
grow2b 2 months ago
Mr Hannan: Israel doesn't destroy Palestinian infrastructure, it destroys Palestinian lives, by hundreds, everytime it attacks Gaza with heavy military equipment, when Palestinians don't have an army (and are not allowed to have one). Casualties for Israel: 33 soldiers - Palestinian casualties: over 1400 civilians (more than 50% under the age of 15). I guess the checks you receive from generous zionist donators, and attention through zionist media, prevent you from seeing the problem.
ML6331 4 months ago
@ML6331 Not only that, the biggest strength Israeli has is that all mighty and true god, money, which they got from American tax dollars and the Federal Reserve (a private banking system created by a Jewish person) who funnels $ in covert methods to Israel. Religion creates the human power to make the money power work. That region's history is well documented in the United Nation's website. What's happening to Pals happened to the American Indians. Not on their side, no $ for you--power.
grow2b 2 months ago
Please tell me I didn't just see this. I really loved Daniel Hannan up until about 2 minutes ago. He's obviously on the payroll somewhere. Scratch him off the list of legitimate Conservatives I believe in (the list is microscopic).
fullthrottlealways 1 year ago
@fullthrottlealways he is a true liberal, not a mealy mouthed Wilsonian "conservative".
Rensune 7 months ago 12
@Rensune hes a true liberal ?? BOLLOX,,hes pro-Arab,,pro-islamist
and he also loves the Genocidal-Turks and hates the Greek-Cypriots
ratzP 3 weeks ago
@fullthrottlealways He is of the list thats why he is in EU parliment his own party don't like his views on NHS and welfare because they know it would destroy their party reputation in britain, what little they have.
Jools3639 5 months ago
@Jools3639 You and your twisted Goldman Sachs and Madoff lies. American first.
grow2b 2 months ago
@fullthrottlealways Why, because he's telling the truth? Just scratch them off if they don't agree. I guess that's why people like you keep making the same mistakes over and over again. If you care to know the truth find it on the United Nation's website. But I doubt you will, for some lies is a better partner in bed than the truth--less work.
grow2b 2 months ago
israel destroys schools, fires white phospherous on hospitals, destroys ambulances, all in an effort to destroy the spirit and will of the palestineans.
as one israeli soldier put it, "it feels like we're a kid with a magnifying glass, destroying ants.
how much can an ant retaliate? how can it protect itself? the claim that hamas uses civilians to protect itself has been debunked. israel should be put in front of a court and prosecuted for war-crimes similar to nazi germany.
romanpr1nce 1 year ago
hamas and hezbollah shoot rockets to kill civilians. israel attacks to kill terrorists, which, by the way, are shooting rockets, using civilians as a shelter.
goPistons06 1 year ago 2
@goPistons06 BULLSHIT
monjiaitaly 3 months ago
@goPistons06 Is it possible to know a date when Hezbollah attack israel civilians?
vide0gameCaster 3 months ago
@vide0gameCaster in 2006 during the war with lebanon. look up "haifa israel" on youtube, and you can even find a video
goPistons06 3 months ago
@goPistons06 But this was during the war of 2006 beetween Israel and Lebanon and it was caused by hanging of the Hezbollah and Israel at the frontier. Could you give me a date when Hezbollah shoot rocket to during a peace treaty?
vide0gameCaster 3 months ago
@vide0gameCaster Get this information yourself, go to the United Nation website. Learn to do research for yourself if you seek the truth--not someone's say so.
grow2b 2 months ago
@grow2b I already know the information my friend, I just want to hear it from this guy. But thank you for the concern.
vide0gameCaster 2 months ago
Great speech :) We need more like him.
LordAlbion 2 years ago 19
@LordAlbion Yes, more objective truth speaking people for the world please, and more truth seeking listener to match.
grow2b 2 months ago
he is sitting down too quickly after his interventions...gives the feeling that what he says was just a joke
Djelomou 2 years ago
You're jumping to conclusions too quickly...it gives one the impression that your views may be prejudiced.
RatkoUSA 2 years ago
@Djelomou Not really. Thats just what they do when they're done speaking.
drummer4life534 2 years ago
@drummer4life534 I know but it is a bit odd don't you think. you make a powerful point and suddenly you sit down and nothing happens they move on to something else...
Djelomou 1 year ago
@Djelomou i guess they dont have room for "jibber jabber" from people who speak and they dont have the decentcy to debate about it.
drummer4life534 1 year ago
how much do they pay u?
redcat362 2 years ago
Who?
Scoforever 2 years ago 11
@Scoforever Deeeeeeeeeeeze nuts! ROFL! j/k, Merry Christmas!
zekal10 2 months ago
@redcat362 ...yes! how much?
friendlyfitters 1 week ago