@Nemo Prokofiev 551 AND WHY ARE THEY UNDERRATED,CLASSICAL RADIO,CONCERTS,BOMBARD US WITH BAROQUE,MOZART,MOZART,MOZART,not even great bach,beethoven,OR MASTER WAGNER ARE THERE,WHAT IS THE MAGIC OF HEARING THE SAME TONES,MUSIC,FOREVER AND EVER.people "don't like,or know modern",hell,i even love some schoenberg,ect.IT MUST BE PLAYED PEOPLE,OR THE MASSES DO NOT KNOW IT EXISTS,OR CAN LIKE IT,i for one,am so turned off by mozart,here in phx.a HOUR A DAY FOR HIM,every hour moz.BORING
This is a sharp and illuminating commentary, and Gould is especially articulate here. I actually hated the liner notes he wrote for his recording of the piano sonatas - I seem to recall it was some run-away metaphor about the stock market. I wish these sonatas were more widely played.
@dchiapello Ah of course, that makes the most sense. This is awesome, and Hindemith's counterpoint is amazing. The fugue in G from Ludus Tonalis is one of the best compositions I've ever heard.
I'm partial to PS#1 by Hindemith, and because Gould and his liner notes introduced me to anything Hindemith, I thank them both. My favorite Hindemith pieces are Fuga Secunda in G (from Ludus Tonalis) and Kammermusic No. 2, Op 36 no. 1, 1. Sehr lebhafte Achtel (which oddly reminds me of the "feeling" of Robert Musil novels.)
Actually, some of them are overrated (I'm thinking of some, but not all, of the minimalists). And some are indeed rated at their true worth. But most aren't listened to as much as they ought to be. And the more I listen to Hindemith, the more I like his stuff.
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A classic demonstration of intellectual understanding and executive demolition. Thank heavens the sound cut off at the start of the demonstration. GG murdered Hindemith's music, draining it of all color, rythm, bounce, fun, lyricism or emotion of any sort. No wonder listeners found this music: "dry, grey, dull, intellectual,..... " etc. Just what it should'nt be.
I couldn't disagree more. I think that Gould brings out the liveliness of this music to an astonishing degree. He greatly admired Hindemith and in fact the only Grammy award Gould ever won was in fact for his liner notes to his recording of Hindemith's piano sonatas, which are a beautifully written and intelligently critical appreciation of the work. I can only assume that you are one of the legion of people out there who just think that everything Glenn Gould does must be rubbish.
Yes indeed, GG's intellectual grasp in his writing and talking was always impressive & stimulating,even when provocative,and i'm sure his liner notes deserved their award. But many who are,understandably,dazzled by this aspect of GG forget that musical interpretation MAY often be a separate art. He should have stuck to writing&talking. No wonder Hindemith is,(you say),not your favorite composer!
I am no big fan of Gould's writing; he had an often sophomoric sense of humour and he tended to overwrite (although not in the case of his Hindemith liner notes, which are masterly). I prefer to hear him him play, because his interpretations at the keyboard are why I admire him. Hindemith is not my favourite composer only because I love a lot of composers. I fail to understand why you don't like Gould's interpretations of his work. I think that they, too, are masterly.
Well, that's just the point, his writing & lectures contained much of the wit, irony & color totally lacking in his pianistic work. Agreed, it could seem overdone, irritating & provocative to some, but I prefer to have AT LEAST some life quality in an interpreter; that's why he should have avoided playing.
To say that Gould's playing lacked 'wit, irony & color' is such a bizarre statement that I am almost speechless. If there are three things that most of his detractors think his playing could have done with less of, they are wit, irony & colour - witness his extravagantly disrespectful versions the Mozart piano sonatas. By the same token, his recording of the C Major Prelude in Book 1 of the WTC is a piece of superbly controlled wit. I am beginning to think that you have not listened to his work.
Bach,fortunately can defend himself against all comers.Others are not so lucky."Disrespectful"is an understatement for GG's demolition of Mozart,but at least there we have many fine alternatives.Poor Grieg,Strauss,Bizet....one would never wish to hear another note of them having suffered GG's "disrespect!" Hindemith is doubly unlucky in that he already suffers an unjust image.The ONE pianist he REALLY didn't need was GG.
Really, you go too far. Gould didn't demolish Mozart; nobody can. There are plenty of other recordings of the sonatas out there. You talk as though Gould played Richard Strauss with 'disrespect', when in fact Strauss was his favourite modern composer. It's becoming clear to me that you hate Gould's playing with the same sort of irrational fervour as some people love it.
I wouldn't say that Hindemith is my favourite composer, or even my favourite 20th century composer, or even my favourite early 20th century composer, but it's true that he is underrated today. But then all modern composers are underrated today.
A ABSOLUTE HINDEMTH GROUPIE SINCE 65,when i first heard "symphony in b flat",i absolutely believe he was a wizard in the true sense,like a edison,always when i hear his music,many times the same piece over and over,i experience melody,harmonies and rhythms buried deep within,even his simple stuff.i love the greats like stravinsky,prokoffiev,messiaen,bartok,ect,but i never get this experience as profound as hindemith,he of course is basically unknown to the world,and what a tragedy,it's mozart
"early renaissance contrapuntal jamboree"
MrPianoLover1 8 months ago 3
@Nemo Prokofiev 551 AND WHY ARE THEY UNDERRATED,CLASSICAL RADIO,CONCERTS,BOMBARD US WITH BAROQUE,MOZART,MOZART,MOZART,not even great bach,beethoven,OR MASTER WAGNER ARE THERE,WHAT IS THE MAGIC OF HEARING THE SAME TONES,MUSIC,FOREVER AND EVER.people "don't like,or know modern",hell,i even love some schoenberg,ect.IT MUST BE PLAYED PEOPLE,OR THE MASSES DO NOT KNOW IT EXISTS,OR CAN LIKE IT,i for one,am so turned off by mozart,here in phx.a HOUR A DAY FOR HIM,every hour moz.BORING
alezander666 10 months ago
what an eloquent speaker!
buenobus 1 year ago
This is a sharp and illuminating commentary, and Gould is especially articulate here. I actually hated the liner notes he wrote for his recording of the piano sonatas - I seem to recall it was some run-away metaphor about the stock market. I wish these sonatas were more widely played.
dchiapello 1 year ago
God I hate classical music critics.
MaSmNpYouth 1 year ago
what does he say at 0:05, does he say that Hindemith is undeniably a "fugueist" or "cubist", "to the manner born?"
petezilla 1 year ago
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dchiapello 1 year ago
@petezilla He says "fugist"
dchiapello 1 year ago
@dchiapello Ah of course, that makes the most sense. This is awesome, and Hindemith's counterpoint is amazing. The fugue in G from Ludus Tonalis is one of the best compositions I've ever heard.
petezilla 1 year ago
I'm partial to PS#1 by Hindemith, and because Gould and his liner notes introduced me to anything Hindemith, I thank them both. My favorite Hindemith pieces are Fuga Secunda in G (from Ludus Tonalis) and Kammermusic No. 2, Op 36 no. 1, 1. Sehr lebhafte Achtel (which oddly reminds me of the "feeling" of Robert Musil novels.)
BrucknerMotet 2 years ago
Actually, some of them are overrated (I'm thinking of some, but not all, of the minimalists). And some are indeed rated at their true worth. But most aren't listened to as much as they ought to be. And the more I listen to Hindemith, the more I like his stuff.
lexo30 2 years ago
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A classic demonstration of intellectual understanding and executive demolition. Thank heavens the sound cut off at the start of the demonstration. GG murdered Hindemith's music, draining it of all color, rythm, bounce, fun, lyricism or emotion of any sort. No wonder listeners found this music: "dry, grey, dull, intellectual,..... " etc. Just what it should'nt be.
NOSEhow2LIV 2 years ago
I couldn't disagree more. I think that Gould brings out the liveliness of this music to an astonishing degree. He greatly admired Hindemith and in fact the only Grammy award Gould ever won was in fact for his liner notes to his recording of Hindemith's piano sonatas, which are a beautifully written and intelligently critical appreciation of the work. I can only assume that you are one of the legion of people out there who just think that everything Glenn Gould does must be rubbish.
lexo30 2 years ago
Yes indeed, GG's intellectual grasp in his writing and talking was always impressive & stimulating,even when provocative,and i'm sure his liner notes deserved their award. But many who are,understandably,dazzled by this aspect of GG forget that musical interpretation MAY often be a separate art. He should have stuck to writing&talking. No wonder Hindemith is,(you say),not your favorite composer!
NOSEhow2LIV 2 years ago
I am no big fan of Gould's writing; he had an often sophomoric sense of humour and he tended to overwrite (although not in the case of his Hindemith liner notes, which are masterly). I prefer to hear him him play, because his interpretations at the keyboard are why I admire him. Hindemith is not my favourite composer only because I love a lot of composers. I fail to understand why you don't like Gould's interpretations of his work. I think that they, too, are masterly.
lexo30 2 years ago
Well, that's just the point, his writing & lectures contained much of the wit, irony & color totally lacking in his pianistic work. Agreed, it could seem overdone, irritating & provocative to some, but I prefer to have AT LEAST some life quality in an interpreter; that's why he should have avoided playing.
NOSEhow2LIV 2 years ago
To say that Gould's playing lacked 'wit, irony & color' is such a bizarre statement that I am almost speechless. If there are three things that most of his detractors think his playing could have done with less of, they are wit, irony & colour - witness his extravagantly disrespectful versions the Mozart piano sonatas. By the same token, his recording of the C Major Prelude in Book 1 of the WTC is a piece of superbly controlled wit. I am beginning to think that you have not listened to his work.
lexo30 2 years ago
Bach,fortunately can defend himself against all comers.Others are not so lucky."Disrespectful"is an understatement for GG's demolition of Mozart,but at least there we have many fine alternatives.Poor Grieg,Strauss,Bizet....one would never wish to hear another note of them having suffered GG's "disrespect!" Hindemith is doubly unlucky in that he already suffers an unjust image.The ONE pianist he REALLY didn't need was GG.
NOSEhow2LIV 2 years ago
Really, you go too far. Gould didn't demolish Mozart; nobody can. There are plenty of other recordings of the sonatas out there. You talk as though Gould played Richard Strauss with 'disrespect', when in fact Strauss was his favourite modern composer. It's becoming clear to me that you hate Gould's playing with the same sort of irrational fervour as some people love it.
lexo30 2 years ago 4
@lexo30 Gould's intense talent evokes intense responses.
KABRIS1 1 year ago
@NOSEhow2LIV Gould liked Hindemith, and does a spectacular job here.
KABRIS1 1 year ago
I wouldn't say that Hindemith is my favourite composer, or even my favourite 20th century composer, or even my favourite early 20th century composer, but it's true that he is underrated today. But then all modern composers are underrated today.
lexo30 2 years ago
I couldn't find any statements from Hindemith himself on Youtube so I recorded a quotation from his excellent book "A Composer's World" >>
watch?v=rQ-Txu5ew98
GrantValdes 2 years ago
A ABSOLUTE HINDEMTH GROUPIE SINCE 65,when i first heard "symphony in b flat",i absolutely believe he was a wizard in the true sense,like a edison,always when i hear his music,many times the same piece over and over,i experience melody,harmonies and rhythms buried deep within,even his simple stuff.i love the greats like stravinsky,prokoffiev,messiaen,bartok,ect,but i never get this experience as profound as hindemith,he of course is basically unknown to the world,and what a tragedy,it's mozart
alezander666 2 years ago 3