I feel so sorry for Luis and Salvador; these young men did all that they could to help and look what happened. I'm glad that William Eddy warned them, but that's still not enough...! And Sarah Graves-Fosdick (22), who married her sweetheart, Jay, a month before they left with her family, made a widow and an orphan so soon. Sarah Murphy-Foster (20), Harriet Murphy-Pike (18), and Amanda McCutchen (24) each lost a child and Eddy lost his wife, Ellen, and both of their little ones.
@omgpuppies0707 you are utterly retarded, it's not about the cold, these people were starving, dying they killed each other, WENT MAD. Where is your humanity for god sake, grow up then comment on videos
they draw straw to see who should die, white guy draws longest straw, but then they came to their senses realized they had two perfectly good colored folk to murder instead. wtf
It's incredible the courage and naïveté of people back then. They actually cared about each other, not like now. Everyone now would be too busy playing XBOX. Sad, really.
@Methrt3 That wasn't really the impression I had at all from reading the accounts and perspectives of the people involved. By the point they even got stuck some of the party wasn't even on friendly speaking terms with other parts of it, heck they call it the Donner Party but everyone had ditched them 5 miles back for the whole of the winter after George badly injured his hand. That's about how much solidarity they had.
@boiledhooker They never called themselves the Forlorn Hope, that's something even this documentary got wrong. It was termed that by an author decades later.
dude i'd kill to be where they were - think of the amazing snowboarding you could get, i'd be ridin blazed and believe me the winters are worse here in mn and that shit dont bother me much, last year i outraced some 6th graders older then me and got lost for a long ass time and i was jus chilling we do surf de neige in orr minnesota its way colder and snowier here
Do you know that organ doner patients sometimes discover they can suddenly play tunes on the piano or can paint really well....They look up the doner and find that he/she was a great painter or excelled on piano, this can be verified by any doctor involved with donor implant patients........
So, if you eat the liver of your friend Marc, and he's gay ???
Do you know that organ doner patients sometimes discover they can suddenly play tunes on the piano or can paint really well....They look up the doner and find that he/she was a great painter or excelled on piano, this can be verified by any doctor involved with donor implant patients........
So, if you eat the liver of you friend Marc, and he's gay ???
Do you know that organ doner patients sometimes discover they can suddenly play tunes on the piano or can paint really well....They look up the doner and find the he/she was a great painter or excelled on piano, this can be verified by any doctor involved with donor implants........
So, if you eat the liver of you friend Marc, and he's gay ???
4:16 i read some different things about the accounts listed here, 1. Patrick Dolan i read was a part of the forlorn hope, he started ranting deliriously and stripped off his clothes in hypothermia and died with them 2. antonio and the other indian were murdered together in the later stages of the encampment. it came from wikipedia, just wondering which is correct? or what the source of this movie is from?
Other people who were present when Salvador and Luis were killed said they were not on the verge of death when the party found them,but that they were searching for acorns on the ground and were shot on the back.
Why couldn't they just go back down the mountain to more habitable locations? They would probably have to leave a lot of things behind, but if it would be worth it if they successfully hiked down into (presumably) areas with less snow. It was suicide to hike up a mountain in 20 feet of snow, so wouldn't it be easier and safer to turn back, at least into more fertile grounds like the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains?
9:10 ... If anyone tried to eat my husband, I'd murder the f***ers, not watch it. Sorry for the harshness, it's just such a sick though to have someone you love get eaten by other people. I wouldn't let it happen.
@Sallyallie89 From a nutritional, scientific standpoint, human meat is fantastic survival food because it's much much easier to covert into energy. It's already in the form our own bodies use, right? By that I mean if your body goes without carbohydrates, your liver begins converting fat tissue into glucose, and then you start burning your muscles' protein for energy, thus its easier for us to covert human fat and protein into glucose we can use for energy than beef fat and protein
@Schragmeister What you say makes perfect sense, but even so I just couldn't watch a loved one get eaten. It's too much for me. I'd rather bury my loved ones than have them get eaten.
@KayBeeEee1983 This is true. I have watched the show "I shouldn't be alive" where they have done some crazy things to stay alive. Still though, I think I'd want to just shoot myself than eat someone I love.
Think about it though. What would THEY want you to do? Would they want you to die, or would they want you to do everything possible to live? I think the answer is obvious. Read "Alive" by Piers Paul Read. true story of the andes survivors.
@KayBeeEee1983 This is also true. Still, it's just crazy to think about. I would never want to go through this. I've always said that if I were ever going to die I'd want to die in my sleep as an old lady or I'd want to die a quick and pain free death where I didn't even see it coming.
I think I would have rather let myself die than resort to cannibalism. How do you come back from that? You would be mentally damaged the rest of your life living with the knowledge of what you did. The pyschological consequences are too chilling to even imagine.
@lacouerfairy - They were. All but one refused to discuss their eating human flesh, and one survivor refused to talk about the experience at all when approached by historians looking for accuracy.
They werent psychologically damaged by eating human flesh, they were psychologically damaged by all the ignorant assholes like many of the people here that called them inhuman.
@Texasboy27 - The bark off the trees, snow, dirt if I could get at it under the snow, anything on the ground. I'd probably eat human flesh too if I was in a situation like that, and it wouldn't be an easy thing to do.
@KayBeeEee1983 What are you talking about? They WERE insane, that's why they killed the two Native Americans. The documentary said so itself, as well as the accounts of the people in the Donner Party. I'm not calling them insane as an insult; I was just pointing out that the predicament that they were put into was too much to bear, causing them to act out in a horrific fashion.
@Lboy926 White people in the 1800s who kill native americans are insane? Very interesting. A PBS documentary said they were insane? Then it MUST be true. How many psychologists did this documentary interview, anyway? None? Oh well, an actor said they were insane, and he sounds like he knows what he's talking about, kind of.
One member of the party, Charles Stanton, snow-blind and exhausted was unable to keep up with the rest of the party and told them to go on. He never rejoined the group. A few days later, the party was caught in a blizzard and had great difficulty getting and keeping a fire lit. Antonio, Patrick Dolan, Franklin Graves, and Lemuel Murphy soon died and in desperation, the others resorted to cannibalism.
@YaRisbabe0707 See Donner PartyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia/I found this information, <really the answer to your doubts and adcinou me more knowledge, because the information I had was in high school; A long time ago
@YaRisbabe0707 See Donner PartyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia/I found this information, <really the answer to your doubts and give me more knowledge, because the information I had was in high school; A long time ago
Sure they only missed making the pass by one day, so your theory is correct. But if they would have taken the regular route instead of Hastings Cutoff they would have made it to Truckee with plenty of time to spare.
@woodbinedrinker not really it would've gotten them up the pass, but they still would've been stranded in the snow fall. It was the freak weather that killed them not the waiting.
I think my favorite part about this movie was it's music, I mean an 6:00 that music SHOWS and TELLS how bad their situation was!
RoyMorley3 1 month ago
I feel so sorry for Luis and Salvador; these young men did all that they could to help and look what happened. I'm glad that William Eddy warned them, but that's still not enough...! And Sarah Graves-Fosdick (22), who married her sweetheart, Jay, a month before they left with her family, made a widow and an orphan so soon. Sarah Murphy-Foster (20), Harriet Murphy-Pike (18), and Amanda McCutchen (24) each lost a child and Eddy lost his wife, Ellen, and both of their little ones.
diddims 1 month ago
@omgpuppies0707 you are utterly retarded, it's not about the cold, these people were starving, dying they killed each other, WENT MAD. Where is your humanity for god sake, grow up then comment on videos
JakeBonculio 2 months ago
@Duskofdead I was refering to the rescue party.
Methrt3 2 months ago
They had Indian food
boodistGeek 3 months ago
@boodistGeek
It's bad I laughed at that....
TicTacAnyone 2 months ago
they draw straw to see who should die, white guy draws longest straw, but then they came to their senses realized they had two perfectly good colored folk to murder instead. wtf
Timuramaru 4 months ago
It's incredible the courage and naïveté of people back then. They actually cared about each other, not like now. Everyone now would be too busy playing XBOX. Sad, really.
Methrt3 4 months ago
@Methrt3 That wasn't really the impression I had at all from reading the accounts and perspectives of the people involved. By the point they even got stuck some of the party wasn't even on friendly speaking terms with other parts of it, heck they call it the Donner Party but everyone had ditched them 5 miles back for the whole of the winter after George badly injured his hand. That's about how much solidarity they had.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
What a gloomy voice for Patrick Breen's narration.
carlsetzer 4 months ago
@carlsetzer ...it's Donal McCann. The best Irish actor of the alst century. He was fabulous.
hollymarg 3 months ago
'The Forlorn Hope'...real positive name, fellas.
boiledhooker 6 months ago 3
@boiledhooker They never called themselves the Forlorn Hope, that's something even this documentary got wrong. It was termed that by an author decades later.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
dude i'd kill to be where they were - think of the amazing snowboarding you could get, i'd be ridin blazed and believe me the winters are worse here in mn and that shit dont bother me much, last year i outraced some 6th graders older then me and got lost for a long ass time and i was jus chilling we do surf de neige in orr minnesota its way colder and snowier here
omgpuppies0707 7 months ago
The evil "WHITE MANS PLAN!" watch out for whitey
I wonder what made the indians able to resist hunger,
prob had a secret stash. "we're not giving these whiteboys shit."
Psycolynch 7 months ago 2
@Psycolynch no they probably didnt want to lower themselves to the levels of the savage landgrabbing cannabalistic whites
Timuramaru 4 months ago
@Psycolynch Or maybe because they'd been without food for the least amount of time?
Duskofdead 2 months ago
In such a situation, I'd rather be one of the ones that died. I'd rather be dead than to live with the horrible memories that a survivor would have.
TheMeditatingCat 7 months ago
Jesus.....I can't even come close to imagine myself in such situation
TheTehchosen1 8 months ago
mother nature was a huge BITCH to these poor people
connor1687 9 months ago
Do you know that organ doner patients sometimes discover they can suddenly play tunes on the piano or can paint really well....They look up the doner and find that he/she was a great painter or excelled on piano, this can be verified by any doctor involved with donor implant patients........
So, if you eat the liver of your friend Marc, and he's gay ???
CecilRhodesIlluminat 9 months ago
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Do you know that organ doner patients sometimes discover they can suddenly play tunes on the piano or can paint really well....They look up the doner and find that he/she was a great painter or excelled on piano, this can be verified by any doctor involved with donor implant patients........
So, if you eat the liver of you friend Marc, and he's gay ???
CecilRhodesIlluminat 9 months ago
Do you know that organ doner patients sometimes discover they can suddenly play tunes on the piano or can paint really well....They look up the doner and find the he/she was a great painter or excelled on piano, this can be verified by any doctor involved with donor implants........
So, if you eat the liver of you friend Marc, and he's gay ???
CecilRhodesIlluminat 9 months ago
@CecilRhodesIlluminat thats bull
scott053 8 months ago
Boy, this gives new meaning to the phrase "when Hell freezes over."
wannawatchu66 10 months ago
4:16 i read some different things about the accounts listed here, 1. Patrick Dolan i read was a part of the forlorn hope, he started ranting deliriously and stripped off his clothes in hypothermia and died with them 2. antonio and the other indian were murdered together in the later stages of the encampment. it came from wikipedia, just wondering which is correct? or what the source of this movie is from?
omgpuppies0707 11 months ago
They et the dead
kozmon0t 1 year ago
I only ask one question. Is human white or dark meat?
Waxer3929 1 year ago
Other people who were present when Salvador and Luis were killed said they were not on the verge of death when the party found them,but that they were searching for acorns on the ground and were shot on the back.
SewerKid1 1 year ago
Why couldn't they just go back down the mountain to more habitable locations? They would probably have to leave a lot of things behind, but if it would be worth it if they successfully hiked down into (presumably) areas with less snow. It was suicide to hike up a mountain in 20 feet of snow, so wouldn't it be easier and safer to turn back, at least into more fertile grounds like the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains?
Schragmeister 1 year ago
@Schragmeister
It is my understanding that they were trapped in a valley. No matter which way they went, they would've had to climb a mountain in deep snow.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
Only a pompous fool would not eat the flesh of thy neighbor in their time of need.
jcsrealty 1 year ago 2
@jcsrealty pompous? they were starving to death hardly pompous.........
TheRealDarthWicket 1 year ago
@TheRealDarthWicket NOT EAT! Can you read?
jcsrealty 1 year ago
@jcsrealty well then the comment was too obvious, I guess I thought you made more sense than you actually do
TheRealDarthWicket 1 year ago
@jcsrealty Pompous is a strange word choice. I would say that only an INSANE fool would not eat human flesh in their time of need.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
9:10 ... If anyone tried to eat my husband, I'd murder the f***ers, not watch it. Sorry for the harshness, it's just such a sick though to have someone you love get eaten by other people. I wouldn't let it happen.
Sallyallie89 1 year ago
@Sallyallie89 thought*
Sallyallie89 1 year ago
@Sallyallie89 From a nutritional, scientific standpoint, human meat is fantastic survival food because it's much much easier to covert into energy. It's already in the form our own bodies use, right? By that I mean if your body goes without carbohydrates, your liver begins converting fat tissue into glucose, and then you start burning your muscles' protein for energy, thus its easier for us to covert human fat and protein into glucose we can use for energy than beef fat and protein
Schragmeister 1 year ago
@Schragmeister What you say makes perfect sense, but even so I just couldn't watch a loved one get eaten. It's too much for me. I'd rather bury my loved ones than have them get eaten.
Sallyallie89 1 year ago
@Sallyallie89
There's no way to say how you would feel or think or react when you are literally starving. It messes with your brain.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
@KayBeeEee1983 This is true. I have watched the show "I shouldn't be alive" where they have done some crazy things to stay alive. Still though, I think I'd want to just shoot myself than eat someone I love.
Sallyallie89 1 year ago
@Sallyallie89
Think about it though. What would THEY want you to do? Would they want you to die, or would they want you to do everything possible to live? I think the answer is obvious. Read "Alive" by Piers Paul Read. true story of the andes survivors.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
@KayBeeEee1983 This is also true. Still, it's just crazy to think about. I would never want to go through this. I've always said that if I were ever going to die I'd want to die in my sleep as an old lady or I'd want to die a quick and pain free death where I didn't even see it coming.
Sallyallie89 1 year ago
sickening, poor indians.
alanmullery 1 year ago
Instead of killing the Indians, they should have asked them for help with hunting and foraging for food in the wild.
PamK36 1 year ago
Wow, those indians were killed.
soadfreek44 1 year ago
CURSE YOU HASTINGS! YOU SON OF A BITCH!
bobbybenjamin 1 year ago
I think I would have rather let myself die than resort to cannibalism. How do you come back from that? You would be mentally damaged the rest of your life living with the knowledge of what you did. The pyschological consequences are too chilling to even imagine.
lacouerfairy 1 year ago
@lacouerfairy When you're hungry, you don't think straight.
redarrowhead 1 year ago
@lacouerfairy - They were. All but one refused to discuss their eating human flesh, and one survivor refused to talk about the experience at all when approached by historians looking for accuracy.
eternaldragon1234 1 year ago
@eternaldragon1234
They werent psychologically damaged by eating human flesh, they were psychologically damaged by all the ignorant assholes like many of the people here that called them inhuman.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
@lacouerfairy
You're an ignorant fool, and at least 2 others are also.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
why would you eat other human beings ??? i know they were starving to death but rly ?!
Gustavrox 2 years ago
If you were in that situation, you would have a different outlook. I would have eaten the bark off of the trees.
Texasboy27 1 year ago 11
@Texasboy27 - The bark off the trees, snow, dirt if I could get at it under the snow, anything on the ground. I'd probably eat human flesh too if I was in a situation like that, and it wouldn't be an easy thing to do.
eternaldragon1234 1 year ago
Only insanity could drive people to do something that horrible....
Lboy926 2 years ago
@Lboy926
Only ignorance could drive someone to write something this horrible.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
@KayBeeEee1983 What are you talking about? They WERE insane, that's why they killed the two Native Americans. The documentary said so itself, as well as the accounts of the people in the Donner Party. I'm not calling them insane as an insult; I was just pointing out that the predicament that they were put into was too much to bear, causing them to act out in a horrific fashion.
Lboy926 1 year ago
@Lboy926 White people in the 1800s who kill native americans are insane? Very interesting. A PBS documentary said they were insane? Then it MUST be true. How many psychologists did this documentary interview, anyway? None? Oh well, an actor said they were insane, and he sounds like he knows what he's talking about, kind of.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
just like the indians, i wouldn't have eaten human flesh. they knew better - doing so would have created the wendigo.
violetdawn369 2 years ago 7
One member of the party, Charles Stanton, snow-blind and exhausted was unable to keep up with the rest of the party and told them to go on. He never rejoined the group. A few days later, the party was caught in a blizzard and had great difficulty getting and keeping a fire lit. Antonio, Patrick Dolan, Franklin Graves, and Lemuel Murphy soon died and in desperation, the others resorted to cannibalism.
algs229635 2 years ago 3
@algs229635 All but the Reed family
YaRisbabe0707 1 year ago
@YaRisbabe0707 Sorry honestly do not know anything about the family Reed, The information is not reliable ok
algs229635 1 year ago
@YaRisbabe0707 See Donner PartyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia/I found this information, <really the answer to your doubts and adcinou me more knowledge, because the information I had was in high school; A long time ago
algs229635 1 year ago
@YaRisbabe0707 See Donner PartyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia/I found this information, <really the answer to your doubts and give me more knowledge, because the information I had was in high school; A long time ago
algs229635 1 year ago
ahhhh I got my answers. Sad
02Nawal 2 years ago
did any of these people survive? what happen to the poor Indians?
02Nawal 2 years ago
Loooool Damn, don't trust the white man! They murdered the damn people sent along to help em!
thesplendid1 2 years ago
Those Indians should have known better than to trust White men.
lifeandfire1 2 years ago 4
Dear diary,
and jimmy looked mighty tastey today.
OhJahRosie 2 years ago 5
I pity the two Indians. It's terrible that they were murdered.
ROCKSLIDZ 2 years ago 28
@ROCKSLIDZ
Their fellow Natives would say they got what they deserved for trying to help the white man take over the Natives' land.
KayBeeEee1983 1 year ago
Listen to Alkaline Trios, Donner Party All Night, good song about the incident
barfyg 2 years ago
HORROR!
davidcommander 2 years ago 4
4:46 - 5:07
MiloDC 2 years ago
Oh, it's so horrible :'(
Lboy926 2 years ago
Wasn't there a 12 year old boy in the Forlorn Hope? Did he survive?
xmattvsmondayx 2 years ago
The boy's name was Lem Murphy. He did not survive.
Johnny3868 2 years ago 2
There was also one other boy that left with them but turned back as he was too weak. It is in the letters you can read online.
qx1zed 2 years ago
Heartbreaking.
magictricks3 2 years ago 3
It was actually five days.
belbobaldwin 2 years ago
The 4 days they rested in July killed them.
woodbinedrinker 2 years ago 23
Interesting thought - have you read "Desperate Passage" by Ethan Rarick? The author makes the same suggestion.
clancy76 2 years ago 4
Sure they only missed making the pass by one day, so your theory is correct. But if they would have taken the regular route instead of Hastings Cutoff they would have made it to Truckee with plenty of time to spare.
AlvinKarpis007 2 years ago
@woodbinedrinker not really it would've gotten them up the pass, but they still would've been stranded in the snow fall. It was the freak weather that killed them not the waiting.
TigerRifle1 8 months ago
this Forlron Hope was the worst
weee30 2 years ago