War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he values more than his own personal safety is truly a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "John S Mill"
We are their to support the illegal state of Israel in it's slaughter of Palestine. Ask Mr Straw and Miliband and oh loads of the Zionist infiltrators in our government.
now look here,-dont sign up to the british army,if you cant stanfd the heat-18 year olds are ruisking life and limb in aghanistan,-if you are not mentally up for it,-never sign up,we dont want you
the U.S.A and the U.K are fighting Afghanistan and later to PAKISTAN. To stop the CHINESE INFLUENCES in the MIDDLE EAST. After U.S and the U.K accomplished their goal to stable their empire for another 100 year. they wont stop. We as Americans need to stop anything that is against Americans interest or it empire.
seems the government prefer people who are sheep and cannot see what is happening. Its alot easier to put other peoples asses on the line than theirs isnt it. I bet thes people were told it was gonna be a walk in the park
i agree with the war in afganistan but i dont think we should of invaded iraq.but we to take the fight to the bin laden crew in afgan fuckin wipe them out
I beleive that had he left the forces first then voiced his views he would have more respect from friends and other soldiers not because we agree with him, there is just a way of going about things, ten months to get out no jail no looking down on you, no big Oscar winning role, oh and one less soldier which in turns means one less bloke on a patrol looking out for his opo in case he gets shot or stands on something that might go bang. forget about the goverment what about the man next to him...
War is wrong, but do you think we are here today from being so narrowed minded that as a country and as a people that life in pleasent ville is handed to us on a plate, soldiers make that scrafice daily without Question of our own choising, joe decided for himself no one else, he those not speak for the rest of us that are still serving, those of us that are still in the game who have been through the mill on Bosnia, Iraq and Afghan. the picture is much bigger than some of you think!
Wrong or right as a soldier you are different to a civi, what i mean by that is if you are sent somewhere for what ever reason to do a job you do it, to a certain degree your personnel views what ever they maybe have to be on hold, the people vote for the goverment who have to make choises some right some wrong, rough with the smooth as a soldier you have to respect that, Joe has his reasons and he is right to voice them
to defend our country, not to illegally invade other nations for an imperialistic strategic military advantage in the middle east at the beset of the USA.
true hero standing up 4 his country against the corrupt politicians & generals that av waged illegal imperialist wars, remember the Nuremberg trials.
you have made our country less secure by unjustly invading countries & murdering countless civilians, you have gone against public opinion 2 be a puppet 4 the USA in their resources & strategic land grab.
9/11 was because of the USA arming Israel to continue its illegal genocide of Palestinians it is not an excuse to invade countries.
Absolutely ridiculous. How is this guy able to be out in public speaking against his country? A soldier, like he said, is trained, ready, and willing to defend his country's interests. Western Europe and North America has been blatantly attacked by these ruthless people, and the only answer to victory is to lead the Middle East to peace and prosperity. Remember Hitler in World War II; Remember the victory on D Day lead by the United States; Remember September 11, 2001.
Once we were Great Britain , now we are breeding a nation of "Woosies" How the hell can a serving soldier get away with such a display of outright indiscipline? To the Glasshouse for you my boy, you are a disgrace to your uniform.
Yeah, once you were Great Britain, when you ruled the world with an iron fist and robbed people of their freedom in their own countries. And for what? Money.
The soldier in this video is a true hero. He won't let the military de-humanize him under some paranoid banner of nationalism. Whether you agree with the soldier's position or not, you should be happy to live in a time when it is possible for him to stand against what he perceives to be injustice.
You, my friend, are a true enemy of western civilization. Please, build a time machine and help the Fuhrer in his quest for socialist word domination.
What ARE you talking about? Did you just refer to Hitler as a socialist? No, seriously, is that what you just did? LOL. Here I am pointing out the dangers of imperialistic behaviour, and you decide to liken me to an imperialistic dictator. That's twisted.
So he didn't have anything to do with the National Socialist German Workers' Party? AKA the NAZI party? okay, you must know what you are talking about.
You would learn in any introductory history course that the word "socialist" in the NAZI name was a propaganda tool, and that the party is always placed on the far RIGHT end of the political spectrum (as opposed to true socialists, who are on the left). If Hitler was such a "socialist", why did he attack Stalin and his communist Russia? Shouldn't they have seen eye to eye? Stop talking to me unless you have something intelligent to post.
that'swhy he created the National Socialist German Workers' Party? Right? Because he was a republican... you are totally right. Makes all the sense in the world to me now. Thanks.
The nazi party was a right wing group dedicated to the elimination of all communists and socialists (not to mention racial minorities). They loved war, big business and building prisons. Yep, they were the reaganites/bushies of their era.
simply ridiculous. im stunned people are calling this guy a 'pussy' or 'coward' or worst, 'traitor'.. for the fact that he has served and has become well aware that it is an unjust war. if you actually listen, he states he signed up to Defend this nation and its people - and that simply isnt happening atm. imo, it is a war the government wanted, not the people. and the fucked british government simply wont listen to us. ffs there is a reason 2 million protested at the start of this conflict.
The solider should go to trail and be locked up and have the key thrown away. What did he think he was signing when he signed the contract to join the military.
You're saying he's right (i.e. that the war is illegal), but then you're saying that he's not going because he's a wuss. Do you see the self-contradiction? He's not a wuss if his reason for not going to war is that it's illegal. If anything, he's quite brave to be able to risk imprisonment and the potential alienation from friends that his decision might lead to.
Soldiers have the obligation to disobey orders they believe to be unlawful, even if that means suffering the consequences.
that guy signed up to fight for his country not to promote the cause of looney lefty liberals who would swamp this country with assylum seekers..he is no hero,the real heroes are the soldiers fighting on the front line to keep us all safe!..he is a coward!
he is a disgrace to his regiment..a kick in the teeth to all the brave soldiers who fight and in some cases die for this country..he knew what he was signing up for...i hope he gets his head kicked in by the rest of his regiment!
God bless the families of the five Irishmen who did not come home. The fathers, husbands, sons, brothers, uncles, and cousins who died fighting under the flag of the United Kingdom.
BNP got stitched up on question time.Griffin did not get a chance to defend himself aginst a hostile panel and audience....it wasnt that long ago jack straw was being heckled by muslims at a community centre he visited
The BNP love their country - nobody can deny that. But, they openly hate other countries and immigrants, blacks and jews. The BNP are nothing but a less violent KKK in political disguise.
@USAdude30 i wish i could you fucking idiot, you a more stupid than a paramecium.
tomb1272 3 months ago
War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he values more than his own personal safety is truly a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "John S Mill"
DanishArmy 11 months ago
I don't agree with BNP but they're right in one thing: war is not in the interest of the British people (white or colored).
Microglia1 11 months ago
@USAdude30 retard.
tomb1272 1 year ago
Most soldiers are conservative. Why can't we get our opinions out in the news?
cavscout888 1 year ago
Did people just forget what it was like on 9/11?
nebula88 1 year ago
We are their to support the illegal state of Israel in it's slaughter of Palestine. Ask Mr Straw and Miliband and oh loads of the Zionist infiltrators in our government.
sidecrank 1 year ago
fuck the left, fuck the right, fuck the war, lets go play some football and drink some pints
skinheadted1969 2 years ago
now look here,-dont sign up to the british army,if you cant stanfd the heat-18 year olds are ruisking life and limb in aghanistan,-if you are not mentally up for it,-never sign up,we dont want you
COLONEL961 2 years ago
We don't want you either, the military over there is making life more dangerous in the UK. Why do you think terrorists aren't targeting Switzerland?
Because no Swiss soldiers has invaded their land.
To the British army: THANKS FOR NOTHING !
gringodeltoro1 2 years ago
the U.S.A and the U.K are fighting Afghanistan and later to PAKISTAN. To stop the CHINESE INFLUENCES in the MIDDLE EAST. After U.S and the U.K accomplished their goal to stable their empire for another 100 year. they wont stop. We as Americans need to stop anything that is against Americans interest or it empire.
ttranccoc123 2 years ago
@ttranccoc123 That must be why Americas record on humanitarian aid is so shit then
IamTheRealSolidSnerk 2 years ago
@IamTheRealSolidSnerk
Yes Americans only care about it interest not humanitarian. We are the best forces in the history of the planet.
ttranccoc123 2 years ago
@ttranccoc123 Grats
IamTheRealSolidSnerk 2 years ago
seems the government prefer people who are sheep and cannot see what is happening. Its alot easier to put other peoples asses on the line than theirs isnt it. I bet thes people were told it was gonna be a walk in the park
14CPO 2 years ago
i agree with the war in afganistan but i dont think we should of invaded iraq.but we to take the fight to the bin laden crew in afgan fuckin wipe them out
manutdsalfordreds 2 years ago
wipe them out ? alright adolf.
twat
Perrykillsfrogs 2 years ago
Sorry its braver to walk away Bollocks!
rexamondo59 2 years ago
I beleive that had he left the forces first then voiced his views he would have more respect from friends and other soldiers not because we agree with him, there is just a way of going about things, ten months to get out no jail no looking down on you, no big Oscar winning role, oh and one less soldier which in turns means one less bloke on a patrol looking out for his opo in case he gets shot or stands on something that might go bang. forget about the goverment what about the man next to him...
rexamondo59 2 years ago
War is wrong, but do you think we are here today from being so narrowed minded that as a country and as a people that life in pleasent ville is handed to us on a plate, soldiers make that scrafice daily without Question of our own choising, joe decided for himself no one else, he those not speak for the rest of us that are still serving, those of us that are still in the game who have been through the mill on Bosnia, Iraq and Afghan. the picture is much bigger than some of you think!
rexamondo59 2 years ago
war is wrong , terror is wrong .
inventormoh 2 years ago
Wrong or right as a soldier you are different to a civi, what i mean by that is if you are sent somewhere for what ever reason to do a job you do it, to a certain degree your personnel views what ever they maybe have to be on hold, the people vote for the goverment who have to make choises some right some wrong, rough with the smooth as a soldier you have to respect that, Joe has his reasons and he is right to voice them
once he realised he could not do his job.
I think hes a DICKHEAD!
rexamondo59 2 years ago
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luwezi 2 years ago
um so why did he join the fucking army in the first place????
paddyirishj 2 years ago
to defend our country, not to illegally invade other nations for an imperialistic strategic military advantage in the middle east at the beset of the USA.
pigfister 2 years ago 3
Dont fall for war mongerer's propaganda!
bdvzim 2 years ago 7
Bring back our boys home NOW!!!
Enough life has been lost!
bdvzim 2 years ago 5
true hero standing up 4 his country against the corrupt politicians & generals that av waged illegal imperialist wars, remember the Nuremberg trials.
you have made our country less secure by unjustly invading countries & murdering countless civilians, you have gone against public opinion 2 be a puppet 4 the USA in their resources & strategic land grab.
9/11 was because of the USA arming Israel to continue its illegal genocide of Palestinians it is not an excuse to invade countries.
pigfister 2 years ago 3
Absolutely ridiculous. How is this guy able to be out in public speaking against his country? A soldier, like he said, is trained, ready, and willing to defend his country's interests. Western Europe and North America has been blatantly attacked by these ruthless people, and the only answer to victory is to lead the Middle East to peace and prosperity. Remember Hitler in World War II; Remember the victory on D Day lead by the United States; Remember September 11, 2001.
mattpro12 2 years ago
He is not speaking against his country. He deserves every right to say as he pleases, it's called freedom of speech.
propanobend 2 years ago 4
Once we were Great Britain , now we are breeding a nation of "Woosies" How the hell can a serving soldier get away with such a display of outright indiscipline? To the Glasshouse for you my boy, you are a disgrace to your uniform.
MICKTHEMERC 2 years ago
Yeah, once you were Great Britain, when you ruled the world with an iron fist and robbed people of their freedom in their own countries. And for what? Money.
The soldier in this video is a true hero. He won't let the military de-humanize him under some paranoid banner of nationalism. Whether you agree with the soldier's position or not, you should be happy to live in a time when it is possible for him to stand against what he perceives to be injustice.
nojyt 2 years ago
You, my friend, are a true enemy of western civilization. Please, build a time machine and help the Fuhrer in his quest for socialist word domination.
mattpro12 2 years ago
What ARE you talking about? Did you just refer to Hitler as a socialist? No, seriously, is that what you just did? LOL. Here I am pointing out the dangers of imperialistic behaviour, and you decide to liken me to an imperialistic dictator. That's twisted.
nojyt 2 years ago
So he didn't have anything to do with the National Socialist German Workers' Party? AKA the NAZI party? okay, you must know what you are talking about.
mattpro12 2 years ago
You would learn in any introductory history course that the word "socialist" in the NAZI name was a propaganda tool, and that the party is always placed on the far RIGHT end of the political spectrum (as opposed to true socialists, who are on the left). If Hitler was such a "socialist", why did he attack Stalin and his communist Russia? Shouldn't they have seen eye to eye? Stop talking to me unless you have something intelligent to post.
nojyt 2 years ago
Hitler was a Republican.
TheSaturnalia 2 years ago
that'swhy he created the National Socialist German Workers' Party? Right? Because he was a republican... you are totally right. Makes all the sense in the world to me now. Thanks.
mattpro12 2 years ago
The nazi party was a right wing group dedicated to the elimination of all communists and socialists (not to mention racial minorities). They loved war, big business and building prisons. Yep, they were the reaganites/bushies of their era.
TheSaturnalia 2 years ago
simply ridiculous. im stunned people are calling this guy a 'pussy' or 'coward' or worst, 'traitor'.. for the fact that he has served and has become well aware that it is an unjust war. if you actually listen, he states he signed up to Defend this nation and its people - and that simply isnt happening atm. imo, it is a war the government wanted, not the people. and the fucked british government simply wont listen to us. ffs there is a reason 2 million protested at the start of this conflict.
RouseFTW 2 years ago 3
The solider should go to trail and be locked up and have the key thrown away. What did he think he was signing when he signed the contract to join the military.
murk2002 2 years ago
He's right, but he shouldn't have done this.
The war isn't right, but him refusing to go cause he's a big wuss isn't going to help.
He shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
RyanDRobinson 2 years ago
You're saying he's right (i.e. that the war is illegal), but then you're saying that he's not going because he's a wuss. Do you see the self-contradiction? He's not a wuss if his reason for not going to war is that it's illegal. If anything, he's quite brave to be able to risk imprisonment and the potential alienation from friends that his decision might lead to.
Soldiers have the obligation to disobey orders they believe to be unlawful, even if that means suffering the consequences.
nojyt 2 years ago
what did that guy sign up for...a nice khaki uniform? he signed up to fight for this country.
heston99 2 years ago
heston: you are a twat :P the guy has rights and he can do what he fregin well wants.,, Its called .. FREEDOM
law101 2 years ago 2
that guy signed up to fight for his country not to promote the cause of looney lefty liberals who would swamp this country with assylum seekers..he is no hero,the real heroes are the soldiers fighting on the front line to keep us all safe!..he is a coward!
heston99 2 years ago
u rlly think england would be better with only "british" people?..good luck with the awful ecconomy that will bring
edbennett12 2 years ago 2
tbh we shouldnt be fighting that war
spitfire9196 2 years ago
he is a traitor to this country!...
heston99 2 years ago
he is a disgrace to his regiment..a kick in the teeth to all the brave soldiers who fight and in some cases die for this country..he knew what he was signing up for...i hope he gets his head kicked in by the rest of his regiment!
heston99 2 years ago
God bless the families of the five Irishmen who did not come home. The fathers, husbands, sons, brothers, uncles, and cousins who died fighting under the flag of the United Kingdom.
AnotherBrotherMark 2 years ago
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Why protect a country for which aint british no more ?
Vote BNP!
wakeydcfc 2 years ago
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Vote bnp and bring our soldiers home.
PressOnHold 2 years ago
Fuck the BNP. Bunch of Nazi Pricks.
robertghouston 2 years ago 8
this is britian Bnp loves its country what the fuck is wronge you dull twat
welshsoldier1 2 years ago
BNP got stitched up on question time.Griffin did not get a chance to defend himself aginst a hostile panel and audience....it wasnt that long ago jack straw was being heckled by muslims at a community centre he visited
heston99 2 years ago
The BNP love their country - nobody can deny that. But, they openly hate other countries and immigrants, blacks and jews. The BNP are nothing but a less violent KKK in political disguise.
robertghouston 2 years ago
@robertghouston ALLAH AHKBAR!!!!!!
m00se321 1 year ago