Tank assistance combat vehicle BMPT (БМПТ)

[krbosak]

Max gun elevation angle much less than in BMP3. def not updated for modern urban warfare.

[TATARSTAN59500]

kazak army have in service now

[nervarin]

watch?v=Sp1mWrh8n_Y&feature=re­lated

watch?v=MT8o6OFVO9g&feature=re­lated

на заднем плане тагил 2011, так что не надо про закрытие

[442dudeathefront]

Because cod doesn't look things up and they don't care about what real life war is like because there money loving whores!

[demonhunter20]

After watch this video I don't understand why this is the easiest vehicle to destroy in Modern Warfare games

[lfybkkkk]

да никто его не закрывал

[nowy5]

ruski złom

[glsblink]

simple to build, have fire power, mobile is looks good and again simple.

Sometimes simple and effective is better. with mass production.

[13cuts]

Если русские действительно закрыли этот проэкт, то вы очень много потеряли, по моему БМПТ нет аналогов, неужели и эту идею просрете, а китайци или еще кто то воспользуются.

[98765432123456789000]

this seems like a modern tank destroyer... Havnt seen any tank destroyers after WWII, but shit looks nice

[xmeda]

needs flamethrower and automatic grenade launcher with at least 150 rnds

[2serveand2protect]

@warfighter285 That's what I'm saying.... It wasn't me who compared it to the Bradley.

[gXite]

this is a monster. only in russia, where you can squeeze all those guns into 1 machine

[scofunboy]

3 единицы БМПТ «Рамка» поставлены Казахстану в 2011 году. Были показаны на параде 30 августа.

[luna1543]

only in soviet russia...



[NosferatuAaacaado]

@luna1543 russia isn't soviet, welcome to 2011

[Flankification]

@NosferatuAaacaado

Russia IS СССР and Russian Impery. Welcome to 21century.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@Flankification bitch please

[Flankification]

@NosferatuAaacaado

You? Maybe.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@Flankification stop embarrassing yourself and go away, please

[Sagramorbald]

You come to think of it, technology goes in circles.

Tanks where originally invented to break through heavilly entrenched infantry, not to kill otehr vehicles. This thing is the new version of the original concept in some ways. No longer trenches but urban warfare, but it's still a battering ram to demolish well protected infantry avoiding a war of attrition.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

блядь сколько гколоты тупорылой налетело

[CaptCrewSock]

Could this thing even duke it out successfully with a Bradley?

[Sagramorbald]

@CaptCrewSock Lol?

This "thing" has 2x the cannon firepower, 4x the missile firepower and heavy armor, unlike the Bradley (a glorified APC).

The russian equivalet (altought much better) to the Bradley is the BMP-3, not this machine. This is a true anti-infantry tank, not an IFV.

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@Sagramorbald wath abouth bmp-4?it has even heavyier guns tough same armor

[Sagramorbald]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA The BMP-4 has no equivalent either, it's just very superior to any other IFV (and that's why I used the BMP-3 to compare to the Bradley) - but it's still an AFV. The BMPT has MBT chassis, meaning the armor is much ticker and more resilient, and pretty much double the weapon load of any IFV. It's trully a new concept.

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@Sagramorbald they are real good they are made for future iner city combat cuz that the good thing of an 100mm HE shel good against fortifications and unarmored veicles .this is the t-26 of our time

[minismus]

one of a hell of its kind....cool...

[powlord1]

CHROMEHOUNDS!?!?!

[exalosm]

закрыли проект, пидоры!

[dpoldnev]

@exalosm Боевая машина поддержки танков "Терминатор" – детище конструкторов из Нижнего Тагила - также не осталась незамеченной.

"Машина имеет внушительный комплекс вооружения: две пушки калибром 30 мм, четыре ракетных установки, пулемет и автоматические гранатометы. Пушки могут вести стрельбу со скоростью до 800 выстрелов в минуту", - рассказал заместитель главного конструктора компании-разработчика БМПТ Андрей Терликов.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@exalosm и хер, наработки то остались.

Нахер БМПТ на корпус т-72, конла на подзоде новое шасси?

[megaotstoy]

@NosferatuAaacaado а вот именно для того, чтобы под шумок сбыть морально устаревший корпус. В этом же вся изюминка проекта! была... пока МО не просекло фишку.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@megaotstoy корпус то сам по себе ничего, да и в БМПТ он изрядно был перелопачен. Надо же что то с дохуищей т-72 делать. Хотя с новой платформой уж лучше на утиль.

[Mr240581]

@exalosm с чего ты взял что закрыли?

[MilitaryofRussia]

@exalosm Ниче не закрыли, ссылки в студию. А одна из финальных версий была показана в этом году на выставке в Тагиле, где еще показали новый танк.

[2serveand2protect]

It's fuckin' BRILLIANT!

However this is still a prototype - right?

Have there already been any "orders" from the Russian armed forces to put this into a mass-production?

[georgysb]

@2serveand2protect yes MTLB is allready in mass-production... and even on international marked since it took part in IDEX-2011

[2serveand2protect]

@georgysb

Thanks for the info!

This thing has a power of 10 infantry platoons armed with the newest AT equipment and it gives AA protection, too. Very sophisticated weapon...yet, very simple idea.

Cool thing!

[georgysb]

@2serveand2protect yeah... sweet vehicle! just like BMP3. Hope someday it will be modeled for "Project Reality" and i will have opportunity to try it in battle.

[mer3abec]

@georgysb ITs not like bmp3, its does't carry any infantry inside. Its tank support , havy armored. It has no guntower, so that waight was used to add more armor. Its cover tanks from close range attakers, infantry with rpg, covered infantry. Also anty tank.

[georgysb]

@mer3abec I meant it's AS SWEET AS BMP3.

[MotherRussiasSon]

@2serveand2protect No, this project is delayed

[2serveand2protect]

@MotherRussiasSon

I don't get it now - is still just a "project", like You've been writing me or what?

Anyway - it would be a pity...this is REALLY A DAMN BEAUTIFUL MACHINE!...

[MotherRussiasSon]

@2serveand2protect The problem is that todays russian government totally consists of parasites and thieves that are plundering our country, so many of military and civil projects are canceled due to lack of money invested by the government.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@MotherRussiasSon why the fuck would we build a bmpt on the old chassis when there is a totally new chassis in 5 years projected? Don't worry - they'll use the data for the new gen.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@2serveand2protect no, because this one uses very old chassis. It's just to show the capability.

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@2serveand2 Kazakhstan is the first customer.

[789joshi]

@2serveand2protect these are on mass production but kept away from the public and sometimes  the media

[2serveand2protect]

@789joshi

Really?

Why?

[789joshi]

@2serveand2protect because well the russians dont want NATO to try and compete with bmpt , so they would rather keep it away from public eyes ;)

[RealNarod28]

@2serveand2protect Yeah this was ordered by Russian military long time ago, but looks like that there's some delays...

[krbosak]

@2serveand2protect Not so briliant. In urban warfare it is as vulnerable to modern RPG as any other tank, since it carries no infantry to pop out for support. As a result team is vulnerable in the city as must be accompanied by classic BMP. Merkava i snot a solution as when it carries infantry, it carries only a few bullets. If it would be bigger, it woudlnt corss a single bridge in europe (it already is the heaviest tank). There are no easy solutions, engineers are not kids.

[Staatssicherheit]

@krbosak Its not for that purpuse no

[ARTURizTAGANA]

@2serveand2protect Казахстан купил 10 БМПТ

[realomon]

this concept could actually work. keep in mind that this platform is gonna be in formation with others, not alone by itself.

[grasess]

cool

[nghnino]

This tank is develop because of expiriences in chechen wars

[Ralfiukas]

Выгледит хорошо но кажетса что от одного снаряда этой башне кабздец... :-/

[listentome1986]

it is said that tank used to be a bodyguard of huge tanks

[ivanrogoz]

Зачем разрабатывалась эта бесполезная машина.Что мешало сразу занятся улучшеним слабобронированных танков т-90.Скажем т-90у(улучшенный) борта забронированны еще лечше бмпт , вес 55-57 тонн,двигатель 1500-1700 л.с.,более мощная пушка,ресурс 1200 бпс,новейшие бпс,качественнаое забронирование реактивной бпроней без зазоров в ладонь и пустот и т.д и никакие "телехранители" не нужны.

[ivanrogoz]

А почему у наших танков все бока голые, что мешает хотябы так же забронировать, вот вопрос

[LikePhoenixFromAshes]

Christ, sometimes I hate YT. Where are my latest posts!? Now all three-part reply seems incoherent and totally idiotic! YT, fuck you!

[SAsgarters]

Get rid of the twin 30 mm guns, replace them with one 35-60 mm gun. Get rid of the grenade machineguns. Two 30 mm guns don't penetrate more armour than one 30 mm gun anyway, why the hell did they think it would be a good idea to mount two of them on one vehicle?

[generalgoran]

@SAsgarters You dont get the role this thing is for do you, its not an anti armor vehicle even if it has some measures against such, It is a SUPPORT vehicle (anti infantery and light armoured vehicles.) go read some.

[SAsgarters]

@generalgoran It's a shitty design. Deal with it.

I only mentioned penetration as an example of the outright stupidity of having multiple guns. Current 35-60 mm guns have many properties that make them far better for the anti infantry role as well. For example, the capability to use airburst or programmable ammunition, a much greater blast radius, better performance against structures, greater accuracy, greater range, greater versatility etc.

[Vykuk123]

@SAsgarters Sure thing , says youtube "expert".

[SAsgarters]

@Vykuk123 It doesn't require an expert to state facts.

[Vykuk123]

@SAsgarters Your "facts" .

[SAsgarters]

@Vykuk123 Objective facts. 

[LikePhoenixFromAshes]

@SAsgarters Theese 30mm guns have dual feeding system, that means, one barrel can use two types of ammunition without need to be reloaded. And because one barrel cant shoot faster than 450 rounds p/m due to overheating, it have BMPT have twin cannon, meaning 900 rpm. Moreover, the purpose of this vehicle is to aid MBT's and be badass flaying machine in urban areas. It is to be ideal platform for supressing fire and anti-personnel armoured vehicle, not to penetrate armour. Hope I've provided help

[SAsgarters]

@LikePhoenixFromAshes Dual feed systems are not a new innovation. One-barrelled 30mm revolver cannons achieve rates of fire up to 2500 rpm and 35mm guns 550 rpm, so there is no need for two guns. Overheating is a problem. But there are bigger problems than that with the 30mm rounds, namely the lethal radius and range of the rounds and their performance against concrete walls. Those require delayed or even programmable fuzes. High rate of fire is a poor substitute.

[LikePhoenixFromAshes]

@SAsgarters Yes, it's truth what you say. But remember, Russian military hardware and weaponry bases on a slightly different ideas than western counterparts. They places reliability and war potential more than western counterparts. For example, lets take M1A2 vs T90S. Its impossible and idiotic to say one is better than other, as they are made for diffirent quests. M1A2 are moving bunkers, weapons of siege. T90 are very mobile war machines, made for cooperation.

[SAsgarters]

@LikePhoenixFromAshes It's a myth that the Russians place more emphasis on reliability. People just think that "crude" means reliable. I do agree that comparing the Abrams and T-90 is pointless on paper, but that's because few things have been solved the same way and that makes a useful comparison very difficult to do. I need a clarification as to what you mean with "war potential".

I completely disagree with your assessment of the M1A2 and the T-90, but there's no room here to go into details.

[wj0648]

@LikePhoenixFromAshes In what terms T90 is more mobile than M1A2. What does it mean that T90 is made for cooperation (while M1A2). Are you saing that T90 have more sophisticated vectronics and communication equipment ? If so I gently disagree. This is true that each of them is made for different purpose : T90 is a result of old soviet doctrine of "offensive" tank that will flood Europe relying rather on outnumbering of opponent than sophisticated construction. This is not "cooperation"

[NosferatuAaacaado]

@wj0648 holy boatload of misconceptions batman

[LikePhoenixFromAshes]

@SAsgarters Russians just thinked: what if one barrel breaks down in worst moment? 2A42 guns are much more powerful than western counterparts. They also have narrow tolerances between barrel and projectiles, as they were invented as weapons for aircrafts. So slowing down fire rate is a must, and believe me, sometimes high rate of fire is essential. (MG42 from wwII, as example)

BUT, i must agree, that automatic grenade launchers are useless. For *** sake, 30mm guns are not enough?

[SAsgarters]

@LikePhoenixFromAshes Barrel failures are extremely uncommon, there's really no need to have a backup, unless you know they are likely to fail.

2A42 guns are far less powerful than western counterparts. In fact, in terms of armour penetration, the 30x165 compares better to the western 25x137, than to the 30x170 or 30x173. The explosive rounds are a somewhat different story, but even in that case, western rounds are more advanced multipurpose rounds, not simple high explosive rounds.

[AlternateArtisan]

@LikePhoenixFromAshes grenade launchers are probably useful for an indirect fire mode since the 30mm can't fire over urban obsticles.

[IonoTheFanatics]

@AlternateArtisan plus the automatic grenade launcher have proven to be an extremely effective weapon to suppress hostile infantries in urban areas or other terrains with lots of cover where the vehicle will have to provide maximum support for the tanks it's meant to escort.

considering the experience in the war thus far where even insurgents can cause significant casualties with RPGs in urban areas, being able to suppress them quickly will be vital to protect it's charge.

[Burboss]

@dmi6501

Еще один интернет-воин. Не смеши потоком сознания

[AV7Volhv]

Если броню пробьют, то её осколки сдержит кефлар?!

Если пробьют кумулятивным то температура и давление в машине возрастёт в несколько сот раз... и всё. А кинетическим её может поразить только танк или вертолёт/ штурмовик.. В поле она херовая - вооружение имеет очень ограниченный радиус. Тотже Метис проданный Путином Хамасавцам в 2005 вынесет её за пару километров. А в городе техника может действовать вдоль улиц, максимум прикрыть огнём пехоту на очень ограниченном участке. Что могут u БТР/ БМП.

[9mmvglaz]

Думаю не выгодно правительству и минобороне принимать на вооружение эту МЯСОРУБКУ,Стоит дорого,много боеприпасов тратит,бензин жрёт наверно,да и хлопотно это.Лучше они пацанов без прикрытия в лобовую пошлют.А потери?Потери хуй с ним......Ещё пришлют......

[7Spectr]

Ппц, почему этот монстр до сих пор не в войсках??? От него отказались? Идиоты...

[chehotela]

автопром бы подняли

[redreaper2020]

A revolutionary new class of vehicle, the whole class. The russians are really moving ahead in a good direction.

Good choice that engine too. I've worked on the old V46 diesels, they're not exactly modern, but they're tough as hell. How heavy's that armor in RHAe?

[MrDonGeorgeO]

ДА фуфло машина,ну какая нахер защищенность я в шоке,что они показываю писец,все будут стрелять в ее стволы они же открыты.Бред им надо далеко сзади идти.

[MatoVuc]

a specialized vehicle for a specialized purpose. this is supposed to be a heavily armoured vehicle meant to primarely engage dug in infantry in urban terrain.

[martin5451]

блин жалко что военные отказались от их закупок(((((,хотя может его доведут до ума,а затем они появятся в войсках????

[U378U]

трындец если из рпг в башню с приборами попадут.

[olegyug]

@U378U Еще и арену надо прикрутить... Тогда вообще не купят -) надо ж на Мисрали откатывать...

[ring0heavenx11]

возможно одна из причин закрытия проэкта ПТР жавелин

ебатся рубит в башню на глухо сверху

а на духах видимо решили сэкономить

имхо машинка хорошая ток доработать бы по авто отреслу целеи ,броне сверху и боротов по толщее резины решки комбина ..

[PsyLiq]

looks like the Tunguska

[hardware199]

Russian weapons <3

[DellDude]

Это серьезный бизнес прямо там

[ncs2000]

2 30mm canon is overkill, 1 should be enough to do the job, anyway, cool weapon system

[CharlieDoan]

hahaha..go to mud of Vietnam and turn 360 degree..more u move..more tank sunk...

[tipex12]

t72 hull i wonder if the turret could be fitted on old t-55 hulls . it would be a good way of breathing new life into the t-55.

[wild50gunner]

@tipex12 I thought that it was an upgraded T-55 body dut then again I could always be operating on bad info or mabe I am thinking about the BTRT

[tipex12]

@wild50gunner no t-72 body but your right about BTRT being t-55 body

[Sarmat240]

мне дед рассказывал, что во время боев в городах в конце ВОВ они больше всего страдали от немецких счетверенных зенитных пулеметов которые фрицы навострились ставить на на любой транспорт. Говорит эти счетверенные пулеметы просто выкашивали все в радиусе дальности. И не спасали кирпичные стены домов.. Я это к чему - может надо было вместо этих пушек ставить 23 мм зенитные автоматические пушки с шилки с их скорострельностью мне кажется эффективность жуткая было бы в городе.

[rosha2011]

@Sarmat240

Ну про немцев - несовсем так.... Выкашивали 20-мм зенитные пушки, которые хоть и похожи на пулёмёт, но всё же пушки. А вот с автоматами от шилки (ну или ЗУ-23) - не всё так просто, маленький калибр - малая начинка взрывчатки + маленькая бетонобойность и бронепробиваемость. К тому же слишком большой расход снарядов, малый ресурс стволов и самих автоматов из-за высокой скорострельности.

p.s.

Все работы по этой машине свёрнуты, ни на вооружение ни в производство она не поступит.

[Flatline89]

Russian military equipment looks to exotic and cool, it's like an army that would look good in any photo or painting.

[iamidiotic]

Wasn't this canceled? Epic otherwise

[MrPetrafo]

По моему машину дороботать надо. Если цель машины защищать танки в первую очередь от пехоты то 45 гр возвышение пушек для горных и городских условий маловато будит... Еще хорошо бы пулеметов побольше и покруче поставить. и гранатаметы лучше на башню поставить и обеспечить хороший угол подьема....... А так по виду эта машина больше похоже на оружие против танков и ББМ чем против пехоты....

[pittiplatsch0815]

@MrPetrafo

neplohie idei.

Vosvyshenie pushki dolzhna byt' pochti 90°, a to smysla ne budet tehniku v gorodskoj boj puskat'. Granatomety sledovalo by na malen'kie bashen'ki postavit, hot' obespechit' nezavisimyj krugovoj obstrel mestnosti.

Zhal', vse effektivnoe svorachivaetsja. dengi kochajut tol'ko vo vsjakie dolgostroi.

[xenon817]

the U.S government gonna bomb that...

[cammander263]

i think this one has a m1 abrams tank engine in it

[AlexanderTch]

@cammander263 Abrams tank engine is very unreliable that was proved in Iraq, and it is huge like Abrams itself. BMPT has same engine as T-72 tank, diesel. Abrams has gas-turbine , not diesel. Moron

[cammander263]

@AlexanderTch so it doesnt have a jet turbin in it , cause it seems like it has one

[smokinthepot]

@cammander263 i think your an idiot

[volcunman2000]

were is this russa

[KHfreak7526]

it reminds me of the m50 ontos

[mcfrag11]

Very good military vehicle... I'm really impressed. Maybe the armament system is to high but this is still hard beast. Who said that t55 is outdated ?

[solitajre222]

Armored core...

[gudman20061]

It'll be sold to China and never going to meet Russian military. Sad but true. So no ground for compare. Chinese will copy it and produce as their own, and Russia will not even get their money. Nothing to be proud of, It's sooner will be 'newest Chinese combat vehicle'.

[Cnupoc]

@gudman20061 lol biggest bullshit ever =) 

[armored5510]

Man i have to confess, i totally beleive that american hardware is ultimately supreme to any and all, especailly when used in concert with everything else, but this is one bad ass machine, way to go russia, or who ever created it, however i feel like an A-10 would decimate this thing.

[MrTheaterjunkee]

thats if its missiles dont find the a-10 first.

[ITmage]

@armored5510 you compare uncomparable things...how you can sompare tank support armored vehicle with close air support aircraft...? Even P51 with unguided 81mm missiles can destroy this...but this wont go on battlefield alone...it will be followed with Tunguska, Pancir S, Strela......etc

[protikmaitra]

Is that "Nizim Tagile" or "Nizhny-Tagil"?

[maks86861]

@protikmaitra town called Nizhny Tagil. it is located in the Sverdlovsk region. near Yekaterinburg

[101andrewj]

i dont get it.... why build a armored vehicle turret for rockets that can be fired from your shoulder

[strizhi]

@101andrewj 1. You are better protected 2. Can carry more 3. Engage closer 4. Go through pretty much anything without being tired 5. On top of those rockets you can also destroy other personnelle or light armoured vehicles with those machine guns, rockets are designed for bigger harder targets like MBT's. Answer your question?

[Cnupoc]

@101andrewj lol this rockets CAN NOT be fired from a shoulder =) and not to mention that even if you CAN CARRY ONE (not fire them) on your shoulder you cant carry 4 of them

[gypuJlKa]

ППЦ. Почему "Tank assistance combat vehicle" назвали "BMPT"? "TACV" было бы логичнее...

[maxerxz]

@gypuJlKa Боевая Машина Поддержки Танков на латинском ваашпе пофигу как оно будет мы в России.

[gypuJlKa]

@maxerxz Нихрена не похер. Это латинское обозначение наверно для потенциальных забугорных покупателей ввели, а раз так, пусть пишут не галиматью какую, но правильный перевод, а то как-то не солидно.

[EcilopRus]

В начале 2010 г. было официально объявлено об отказе от закупок новых БМПТ и от конверсии устаревших танков по этому проекту

[rus991975]

@EcilopRus Жаль, что закрыли? Но решение о закртии можно говорить, только убедившись в нежиспособности на поле боя((( Мне кажется идея не плохая, хотя специалястам виднее((

[maks86861]

@rus991975 его не закрыли, а отправили на доработку, это всего лишь концепт. но из него получится хорошая машинка

[al3xt3hl0nly]

this will fuck up a american tanks day any time ;)

[Inohodok]

К сожалению, МО закупать не будет.

[F4Wildcat]

MY god What a Beast!

When the 2012 zombie apocalypse begins, i'll have a militia equipped with these Babies!

And ofcourse the Russian TF2's HEAVY on the microphone!

[Speaks2Much]

awesome music

[zigamatik]

закрыли проэкт...

[GamerManOver9000]

I would love for someone to attatch a helm cam to a soildger when he goes into battle. I want to know what the real instensity is. not fucking CoD shit. the real deal.

[lordswit6666]

oh i wish this only cost 10$ each.. i would buy 100`s of them to screw all the terrorist in the Philippines.. hahahahaha!!!!

[peepeevagi]

Tank - turret = coolest chop-top ever.

[Karglak]

Гранатомётчики по бокам это вообще жесть, ни с каким танком в городских условиях не сравнится. В целом ацкая машина!

[TheJojo45678]

How much?

[az0009990]

Зачем вообще танки по городу гонять???Заборы и стены валить?)

[17dumitru]

была б полезна при захвате грознова ,жали она тогда не сушествовала хорошая машина

[Flankification]

Хорошо бы ещё тяжёлую БМП сделали, на замен БМП-1 и БМП-2.

[Sanchous77]

Чёрт побери! А она мне нравится...

[93fgg]

@Sanchous77 мне тоже нравится тока наши идиоты отказались Закупать ее Сцуки!

[Gosh100]

Эхххх. Туда еще б огнемет до кучи добавить, и враги будут обсираться завидев на горизонте.

[4004238]

эту очередную херню РПГ-7 даже с тандемным боеприпасом не возмет

[Flankification]

@4004238 РПГ-7 возьмёт, если знать куда стрелять.

Бывают хорошие танки, но неуязвимых танков не существует.

[KiLLeR12007SerJo]

@Flankification мало знать куда стрелять, надо ещё попасть. Легче сказать чем сделать. С простого автомата не все начинают нормально попадать. А с РПГ тем более...

[nicolo7060]

Это очередная ширпотребная херня.

Ее сожгут из РПГ-7 быстрее чем она выстрелит.

А в Чечне даже Абрамс не помог бы.

[marck0938]

We had that equipment named ontos and we dicontinued during the 1960's.

[gorobei1227]

БЛЯ НАМ БЫ ТАКУЮ В ЧЕЧНЕ ЦЕНЫ БЫ ЕМУ НЕБЫЛО!

[545Luka]

@gorobei1227 на кой она тебе там??

[gorobei1227]

@545Luka не сейчас а во время последней компании!!!

[545Luka]

@gorobei1227 когда и где там был?якомандовал батальоном ВВ,был эпизод,вотмне и интересно.Кстати,участвовал в обоих компаниях.

[gorobei1227]

@545Luka август 99 дагестан и до 2002 чечня тоже ВВ

[545Luka]

@gorobei1227Понятно))100 ДОН)))

[br9k]

@gorobei1227

ага, разбижался

т 55, кашал и будет

[vodomanuch2505]

@gorobei1227 картоплю копати ? )

[drinkinsify]

@gorobei1227 и наверно долго ишо не будет, пака фсю арабию не вооружим.

[Flankification]

30мм пушки малоэффективны против пехоты и вообще бесполезны против танков. Калибр нужен больше.

[kanarikboris]

@Flankification а ракетки на что?

[Flankification]

@kanarikboris а тебе 4 ракеты на долго хватит?

В столкновении с танковыми частями противника нужно иметь что-то посерьёзнее, чем ракеты и 30мм пушки.

По успеху боевого применения 100мм пушки на БМП-3 можно использовать её.

[Karabas84]

@Flankification ты херню гониш! 30мм достаточно чтобы разорват человека! 4 ракеты ето нормално! где ты болше видел? ил что перезаридит нелзя?

[Skyguyfrom501legion]

четырёх достаточно , согласен , это же поддержка , не главный танк , достаточно