13H Refutes CCHR: IOD (Chapter 7) Psychosurgery (1/2)

[Mrscientificmethod]

Despite his claims Meduna never cured anyone. Not one person. Pentylenetetrazol was taken off the FDA approved list in 1982 because... guess!!... it did not work and had unfortunate side effects like brain damage. He had 100% failure. It is like saying homeopathy can cure a brain tumour. It cannot. Period. You are scientifically illiterate.

[TMOvids]

On Walter Freeman; he was a member of the American Psychiatric Association and, despite the lobotomies, was never removed from it. I also cannot find instances of other psychiatrists condemning his practice. While not representative of the whole of psychiatry, I think it would be unfair to claim he wasn't a part of it, or imply that the rest were radically different, and against his methods.

[13Heathens]

@TMOvids Re Walter Freeman, During that time period roughly 50,000 frontal lobotomies were preformed, over 3,000 by freeman himself.. I'd have to track down the link again, however I did find reference to a trial in which he lost his license to practice, and being condemned by the psychiatric community - a though this may have been to save face after the Kennedy "mishap".

[TMOvids]

100% against the utilitarian response to criticism of electro-shock. The only difference we could point to in all cases between society and hospital is production. You are ultimately defending torture on the grounds that afterwards, the person will behave how you want them to, regardless of how much it helps them, regardless of their consent.

That is immoral.

[TMOvids]

I do not like these rationalisations of atrocities. A statement that activities in the past in no way damn an ever-evolving science would be sufficient, but to defend these activities puts you on shakey ground. What Manfred Sakel did was wrong. It should be enough to say "the end does not justify the means" but if it isn't; Sakel tortured his patients, against their will, and none of them had any benefit. Returning to society is not a benefit if we do not know the state of that person.

[anonymousassasin1]

Psychaitrists and scientologists , both sides are murdering money grabing crooks.

[raincoat92]

if you cant see that psychiatry IS an industry of death then you have been blinded by your own governments propaganda, your government has achieved the social control they set out for

[13Heathens]

@raincoat92 hi sock puppet.

[emobeccaahha]

Do you think stuff like this still happens today? and you just don't hear about?

[lostinthelandoflies]

In their 1996 paper that appeared in the respected journal Neurosurgery, Cosgrove and his co-workers described a brain operation designed to relieve emotional distress and reduce abnormal behavior. Between 1991 and 1995, they performed cingulotomies--which means, essentially, that they burned dime-size holes in the frontal lobes of the brain.

[lostinthelandoflies]

From Wiki. In France, 32 lobotomies were performed between 1980 and 1986 according to an IGAS report; about 15 each year in the UK, 70 in Belgium, and about 15 for the Massachusetts General Hospital of Boston.

[13Heathens]

What's your point?

[lostinthelandoflies]

Only to point out that this type of surgery has not disappeared.

[13Heathens]

That was the 1980's. It is currently 2009. You're giving statistics from over twenty years ago. It's been phased out, and is virtually unheard of today.

Take those same statistics and compare them those within the 1944-1966 values when the treatments were widely used.

[Anonymous1075]

My GAWD they are so freaking sneaky in their vids!! Geez!!

LOL, Loboto-mobile?!

[alien8ted]

The only 'treatments' the cult of $cientology offers are massive doses of vitamins and niacin together with long spells in a sauna. They only 'prescribe' these utterly useless methods as those are the only ones they can legally offer without a medical license, which is highly illegal in the USA.

[lostinthelandoflies]

I would prefer this harmless treatment than what psychiatry would impose on me.

[13Heathens]

Permanent liver damage from massive doses of Niacin is harmless? Really?

[lostinthelandoflies]

Participants gradually increased their daily intake of niacin from 250 mg to 3,000 mg over 36 weeks. Nine of the 23 people who were taking immediate-release niacin withdrew from the study early because of facial flushing, fatigue, or skin discoloration. Eighteen of the 23 who were taking 3,000 mg daily of sustained-release niacin dropped out due to upset stomachs, fatigue, or abnormal liver function tests. All of these side effects disappeared once the participants stopped taking the vitamin.

[lostinthelandoflies]

Ok.. not harmless. But still better than a forced lobotomy. Yes?

[alien8ted]

The cult of $cientology is far from harmless, they make followers pay extortionate amounts of money in order to be systematically brainwashed. If they say they didn't get from a course what was promised they are told they have it wrong and are made to pay and go through the course all over again. If anyone leaves the cult they are branded a 'supressive person' and smear campaigns are waged against them with poison pen letters to neighbours and work colleagues. It is a paranoid totalitarian cult.

[mommababydall]

Thank you for giving this hype the proper drubbing it deserves.

[scrumpmonkey]

wow, 13H you HAVE been busy. good work!

[Gothichell]

Its ok you are trying your best to explan the cult to us and will miss with your brains i'm just glad i can help you out buddy.

[laladiel]

another great video, but uick question, when the the scary voice guy was talking about meds, did i hear him say insolin?the stuff people take to controll their surger?thats evil to them also?

[soulinite]

Great video! Thank you for giving Co$ propaganda a proper fact checking.

Psychiatry = peer veiwed science.

Dianetic$ = Very expensive faith healing.

[BlueAsbestosCosBlues]

You expose with intellegece and truth. Your reasoning is cult awkening gold. I wish scientology/Miscavage had the balls to challenge your videos in a open public debate

[AmbienAnon]

Psychosurgery is rarely done these days. It is only done in large research-based/academic institutes, and only done for patients that failed all other psychiatric/psychological patients.

Regarding ECT, it is one of the safest, most effective means of treating varius psychiatric illnesses, although it also is rarely used.

[Gothichell]

World war 2 started in 1939 AD buddy.:)

[nunsonabus]

Why do they think it's cool to sound like they're selling a rubbish B movie? Oh yeah.

[truvelocity]

Unfortunately, insurance won't cover it, but it costs a few thousand dollars to test your genetic deficiencies with Schizophrenia and clinical depression and to get them addressed without drugs. This can be done, but it seems the economy is set up not to allow this to happen in the main stream.