No offense but you would be a bigger man than any other if you would admit that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.if you were to do so, I would back you up in the utmost way my friend.
They lied and never really walked on the Moon. They lied about being attacked by the Vietnamese. The whole Vietnam War was based on a Lie. They admitted to it. The information has been declassified. Of course they Lied about going to the Moon. I look forward to that being declassified as well.
I'm sure you do. And since that day will likely never come, you'll be able to spend the rest of your existence comforted by the idea that you are in possession of secret knowledge.
@GreaterSapien OK..if you say so.. I guess. Very uncomfortable idea but thats how you and I differ I suppose. And what do you have to say about the Vietnam War? That "secret knowledge" has been released. I am looking forward to your excuse about that. You seem to have all the excuses for the Moonlandings discrepancies. You are basically caught in a corner about that since it has already been declassified. After the astronauts and others "involved" expire, the info may become declassified.
I have nothing to say about the Vietnam War. Lies were told. Atrocities were committed. All in the name of battling a a non-threat.
Why is it that people like yourself believe that since I think your wrong about the Landings I must believe the Gov't doesn't lie? That's like me assuming you believe every crackpot conspiracy theory out there.
If your standard is "after the astronauts and others 'involved' expire, again you may never see your goal reached. If your right, there's been 2 more generations astronauts, engineers, administrators and whatnot involved in this "cover up." Many of them will outlive you. Meanwhile more are joining the "cover up." The Big Reveal gets further away!
But, hey, as long as "the day is coming," you'll be able to say, "one day..."
sapien but that is pretty lame. "2 more generations astronauts, engineers, administrators.." LOL They have no idea how or if they really walked on the Moon. You are just another victim dreamer in my own opinion.
Yeah I don't think you get my point. If the cover up is real, do you think only people involved 40 years ago know the "truth"? Or did people involved in the shuttle program and other missions over the last 40 years learn the "truth" and hide it to protect their careers? So now you have to wait for them to die in order for the truth to come out!
Of course it's lame. The whole "you just wait" position is lame.
@GreaterSapien Well the shuttle program has nothing to do with the outrageous claim of man walking on the Moon. To be honest with you, I really can't believe you would even mention the Shuttle program. I don't mean to school you but the Shuttle never went outside Earth's atmosphere. You are in a belief of just a fantasy. The source you trust in has admitted to lying to you but you said you don't care so I think you are not playing with a full deck. No offense.
You don't get my point. I'm not saying the shuttle people had any trips of the extent of Apollo, I'm just positing that people in later NASA missions might gain knowledge of NASA's history that might screw up YOUR waiting for people to die for the "truth" to come out.
No offense taken. You've shown now intelectual authority to be worthy of me taken praise or insult from you.
Take care. Sleep well dreaming of a future never to come...
@GreaterSapien No Not "the shuttle people" It has nothing to do with with the Shuttle or the people. You fail to realize that we find the claim of Man walking on the Moon is FAKE and why and how we think that.
@GreaterSapien You got it wrong. There is really Government declassified information that you ignore in which is really significant. You said you don't care so that makes you a dumb ass in my mind.
@GreaterSapien What do you mean? "you've got nothing" There is so much evidence out there that proves they faked the whole thing, it makes me look at people like you as ignorant, blind, dumb asses. LOL
I don't include anyone in any cover up. Your side does. i'm just assuming in your world, other NASA employees and scientists have had to have learned about "the truth" over the last 40 years.
@haydenmossop Yep...conveys it all doesn't it? Thinks he's all that and a bag of chips, yet the information is flawed from conception to delivery. Watch Jarrah rip his ass up on his video response. So obvious it begs the question, how come this guy is still spouting his nonsense!
"BTW the video response you tried to link wasn't related to the point of my video so I didn't allow it." The video addresses the common lie, which you have repeated here, that the Apollo astronauts went around the VAB's...It addressed the radioactive moon article from NASA which you conveniently deleted from the comments section. You are not interested in truth, your interest lies in trying to smear those who have seen through the Apollo fraud, and trying to feign intelligence!
@GreaterSapien Well, since you did not bother to watch the entire series, you've failed, and instead, proven your flawed thinking. And the video I attached shows how your flawed thinking isn't due to research, but to buying into the same PAN propaganda that has been repeated ad nauseam...I guess taking the same medicine you try to prescribe to others isn't something you are interested in.
@GreaterSapien i have now read a lot of your points and even watched some off your other videos and read this insulting banter between you and this un4g1v3n1 and are quite surprised how patriotic you are i my opionion the schooling in your country must be run by the cia because brain washing seems to be rife
Only on the web would someone like me be labeled as being patriotic.
Actually I'm quite critical of my nation and the way it has acted and STILL acts in the world community.
I just don't buy into the conspiracy theories about the moonlanding, floride mind control, chem trails, illuminati, and lizard people type claims that pervade society.
@GreaterSapien yes i am finding it hard too filter the bullshit aswell been looking at shark videos today and there is some shit don't mean to offend you by calling you patriotic and i only guessed you were american or as i call them american"t do you have a web site?? i would like too see this critical of my country
@GreaterSapien hmmm checked your website have not watched any thing yet but was a little concerned at how you say only one video of jarrah was enough to watch this is untrue and a really unfair statement to make jarrah is very thorough and i believe you should spend some time and watch at least his actual videos not the ones on debunking the debunking the debunking even try appollo zero my dad was brainwashed as a child but is convinced now it was only a radio signal it could have come anywhere
I was looking at White's video from the perspective of critical thinking. Note I never said "White is getting Fact X wrong and Fact Y wrong." I was discussing the flaws in his critical thinking skills. I spoke specifically about how he was interpreting facts and figures in a manner that is contrary to proper analysis.
If I wanted to argue whether his position was right or wrong, I would have gone over the whole thing.
There are a lot of people doing that already. I'm trying my best to look at things from a different direction.
If someone wants to say their position is a scientifically sound one, they need to show they have scientifically sound methods. His methods are extensive, but shoddy.
His methods work on YouTube because most people don't know or care about such things.
@GreaterSapien greater i have found an original mooon hoax video this one is a little more sedate but just as thorough an does not have jarrah nasaly voice and his "taking the piss out of america" attitude so i believe it will be a little easier for you too watch
but don't worry jarrah has covered alll these topics and more give this ago
"I just don't buy into the conspiracy theories about the moonlanding, floride mind control, chem trails, illuminati, and lizard people type claims that pervade society."
Throwing together real conspiracies with a few absurd ones is called disinformation.
Sorry, but those transparent tactics are fooling no one except the fools who believe Apollo happened as advertised.
No, I wasn't spreading disinformation. I was explaining to Hayden, that I'm not particularly patriotic just because I don't buy into a range of things could be considered critical of government. The previous sentence gives context.
The fact is EVERY SINGLE one of those topics has come with ML deniers. Holocaust denial and anti-evolution gets thrown in as well.
I know that ML deniers don't all buy into that garbage, I'm just stating I DON'T.
@GreaterSapien .. btw, the term "ML deniers" is not only a silly insult, but also a transparent wind up.. So please don't pretend that you're not engaged in this BATTLE.
What would you prefer to be called? When I say ML Doubters, people say "I don't doubt, I deny." When I say ML Deniers you say it's a "wind up." ML Conspiracy Theorists is insulting. ML Critics doesn't encompass your position.
What should it be?
None of those BTW are as transparent a wind up as "Apollogists."
@GreaterSapien .. I would prefer to be called a hoax researcher .. Every other term used by the Apollo defenders, in describing those they disagree with, is condescending, imo.
As for the term "Apollogist", I didn't coin it, but I do agree it describes the ML supporters perfectly... but if you find it offensive, I will be happy to call you a ML supporter instead.
It really doesn't matter to me, "Apollogist" just alludes to a term which is wholly inaccurate of what I do. Though it does give a clear picture of how you may perceive things.
But I won't be using the term "hoax researcher" because that would be me lending credence to the position there was a hoax. Which I'm not going to do.
I'm not going to call you "hoax believers" because that may be taken that you believe IN the hoax, when actually you think I believe the hoax.
Understand that to me DOUBT and DENIAL aren't bad descriptions, just accurate. You doubt the official story. You deny the Moon landing happened. Much the same way I doubt the existence of God and deny the authority of the Bible.
"Conspiracy Theorists" "CTs" or Conspiracy Believers" can be an oversimplification, but isn't meant as an insult.
"Conspiracists" is a false generalization. "Hoaxies" is an insult. Both of which I have been guilty of.
@GreaterSapien .. I gotta hand it to you..When it comes to blowing smoke, you're up there with some of the best of them.
I don't give a rats behind what you call anyone, including yourself.. In my opinion, you're just another moon hoax denier.. So that's what I will call you.
"And you're still the king of not being able to dispute the points in my videos."
And you're still the king of dishonest mind games, since I never mentioned any points in your videos.. I only mentioned your obvious agenda against Jarrah White.
"...since I never mentioned any points in your videos" Exactly, that's what I've been saying! You can't dispute the points of my videos so you stay on other topics. Thanks for the admission!
BTW, I never said I wasn't in this battle. There is a battle going on against the pervasive lack of critical thinking in the public sphere.
But what I AM saying is that not every comment should be looked at in the FRAMEWORK of a battle. When someone says "NASA hired war-criminal NAZIS, how can you support that?" I say "condemning NAZIS and supporting the Landing aren't mutually exclusive" not "stop spreading propaganda." See the difference?
@GreaterSapien ..Of course you're in this battle.. but from what I've seen your real BATTLE is not so much defending Apollo, but rather attacking Jarrah White.
Yes, criticism is an attack. White is a VICTIM of my critical attack.
You're projecting a motivation on me that exists only in your head.
My battle is with non-critical thinking and magical thinking people. If you or White fall into that category, you will be a potential object of criticism. That is all. To think otherwise is unwarranted.
@GreaterSapien .. Your motivation doesn't exist in my head.. It exists in yours.. It's obvious what your agenda is here .. Your condescending attitude towards Apollo hoax researcher Jarrah White is quite typical of those, who for whatever reason, refuse to see that the official Apollo record is not true.
Saying things like the 'ML deniers" way of thinking is "non-critical" or "magical", is just another way of slinging silly insults towards those you have decided to target.
"Yes I have a condescending attitude toward White and his methods, yet that doesn't mean my "battle" is attacking White. You give him too much credit."
Attacking Jarrah White and his claims about radiation is the reason you made this video, yet I'm the one giving him too much credit?
Priceless!
"I don't call ML deniers magical thinkers. I call creationists, astrologists, and the like, magical thinkers."
@GreaterSapien .. Not only is it a waste of my time arguing with game playing moon hoax deniers like you, but I have no interest in continuing to help run up your view count, or post comments that can be deleted by you..
If you would like to continue your silly "debate" with me, bring it here.
watch?v=hpcpSGmMuZ0&feature=channel_video_title
At least that way we would be running up the view count of a video worth watching.
Since the only time I've censored is for seriously offensive remarks, relentless cutting and pasting, and WAY off subject annoyances, there is NO reason for you to fear deletion unless you have the desire to do one those things without being called on it.
If you don't want to discuss things with me, bye! don't comment on my videos any more.
But for me to follow your lead to talk somewhere else would require me to be more interested in you than I am.
"But for me to follow your lead to talk somewhere else would require me to be more interested in you than I am."
You might not be interested in me, but you're obviously extremely interested in Jarrah White..So let's take our discussion to his rebuttal of this video .. Since you're already posting your nonsense there, it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to debate me there.
Still trying to run to favorable ground, eh? Where you can make hyperbolic statements and insulting comments and drift off topic at will?
When was they last time I commented there? A week? 2?
No, feel free to go around to WHATEVER page you like and call me out and say whatever you wish.
"Extremely interested." Projecting. I did 1 video in reaction to HIS FANS desires. The other 2 were responses. 3 of 18 vids. 3 of 11 if just counting critical thinking vids. "Extremely!"
No, just barking at another litte insignificant apollogist attack dog, with the same agenda as the rest of the little insignificant attack dog trolls.
"I haven't misinterpreted the real purpose of your asinine videos, or your silly mind games either.. You're just another insignificant troll, who has nothing better to do with his sad life than to attack Jarrah White."
Which, like I said were just insulting me not comments worth answering.
Which makes you not only a game playing troll but also a liar... but considering all the crap you spew in your "rebuttal' videos, that really comes as no surprise.
"Here are SCREENSHOTS of my comments under yours."
Not only do your comments NOT appear on the main page, but they NEVER came into my email inbox, which means you did NOT reply to me directly, but instead posted replies you knew I wouldn't see.
Thanks for helping me prove that you're nothing but game playing TROLL who is not worth the bother.
btw, nobody makes little trolls like you eat dirt better than Jarrah White. Thanks or your help in proving him right
Sorry, Stray, but the "they NEVER came into my email inbox" thing happens to me all the time, which is why I don't react to some comments for days. I've taken to going to a page once a day and searching "@greatersapien" when I'm in the middle of a conversation with someone.
Are you claiming my screenshots are fake now?
Full context: /wp-content/uploads/2012/02/CommentScreen2.png
Notice the indentation of the comments in both screenshots?
@GreaterSapien .. Sorry troll, but ALL replies come into my email inbox if they are replied to my user name directly.. Your silly games here have been exposed, along with your inability to refute Jarrah White.
I guess you must have confused the flag for spam as being a dirrect reply to me....LOL
@GreaterSapien ..Just the fact that you reply to ALL of my replies within a matter of a few minutes should be a great embarrassment to you since it proves you have no life other than trolling YouTube.
Nope. Just on my day off. Kid's at school. Editing my next 2 vids in Final Cut in one window. Waiting for the morning rush at the gym to end so I can get my time in. What's your excuse?
Since you've shown all you want to do is engage in insults over there (to this minute you have done NOTHING but insult me over there) I'm not playing your childish games.
If you want to comment over there. Fine. Play with yourself some more. I'm here.
If you post here again and you WANT to be deleted keep posting links to the other video. You've admitted you want it to get more hits, but my page isn't for ads for your hero..
You see in my previous comment I described to you who my "battle" was with. Non-critical and magical thinkers. I also said "if you or White…" Since you see me as battling you, you assumed I lumped you in as a magical thinker, when in fact I was not.
You have repeated shown a tendency to read statements and jump to false conclusions, which I pointed out White tends to do, and just serves to prove my point.
"You see in my previous comment I described to you who my "battle" was with. Non-critical and magical thinkers. I also said "if you or White…blah blah blah.. "
Your real battle is against anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion about Apollo... Calling any of those people "non-critical thinkers" or "magical thinkers" is nothing but condescending ad homs.. Something that hoax deniers are famous for using, when engaged in this particular battle.
See you do care about what I call people. You're bringing it up again!
Non-critical thinkers is a legitimate criticism that I back up with evidence.
Magical thinkers is term that I use for people who I see believing in magical things. It's only an "ad hom" if I say "the reason X is wrong is because he is a magical thinker." Not used in an argument, it's just an insult.
Here you are again telling me what's in my own head, something you have no proof of.
Why does it seem that with the ML deniers every word said is viewed through the context of a BATTLE? A flippant generalization can't be seen as such but is "disinformation." Criticizing someone's position is "propaganda."
Everything is giving an emotional weight for some reason.
@GreaterSapien .. The BATTLE was actually started by the Apollogists a very long time ago. Their MO is to usually outnumber the hoax researchers by at least 5 to 1 ( usually more) so they can have a good old tag team, gang bang against anyone who dares to question the validity of Apollo!!.. I've never seen any discussion that didn't turn into a mud slinging brawl.
But just the fact that you believe the "emotional weight" is one sided, shows how much denial you're in.
Here again is an example of someone pushing there assumptions out.
Did I say the emotional weight is "one sided"? No I did not. I was talking about encounters with ML deniers. But since I didn't overtly open up my criticism to everyone, you ASSUME I don't believe ML supporters use emotional tactics.
Of course they do. They also get oddly fanboyish about other ML supporters just as deniers do. But I was talking aout you at the time.
@GreaterSapien .. Your post only mentioned the "emotional weight" of the "ML deniers", not the ML supporters...Yet now you claim you were really describing ML supporters too? .. Unbelievable!
I didn't ASSUME anything.. I just read your comment .. Maybe you should read it again, since you apparently already forgot what you said.
I agree that ML supporters are fanboyish about their leaders.. As for me, try not to get defending a fellow hoax researcher, confused what the Apollo Fan Boys do.
Somehow I missed this comment. Here you are again misreading things. I didn't say I was "really describing ML supporters too" I said I was talking about ML Deniers and since I didn't mention ML Supporters YOU ASSUMED I only thought Deniers had that quality. I have limited space and I'm not going to qualify every statement because you have bad logic skills. (cont.)
Let me be wordy here. If I say "A has THIS property," what does that say about my thoughts on B? Or C? Nothing! So if you were to say, "Jerry thinks ONLY A has this property" you are making an ASSUMPTION based on limited information. I was talking about ML Deniers, so that is the only position you had from me. You say it yourself, MY "post only mentioned the 'emotional weight' of the 'ML deniers', not the ML supporters." The rest was YOU filling in the blanks with your bias.
You mention in your last paragraph that you "agree that ML supporters are fanboyish about their leaders". If I were to say "you must think that tendency only applies to ML Supporters" I would be making a FALSE ASSUMPTION. Since you were only talking about supporters, I can't assume your thoughts on Deniers, can I?
As it is, I've encountered more Denier Fanboys then Supporter Fanboys. More numerous and intense.
But I'm certain that's because of what my stance attracts.
"As it is, I've encountered more Denier Fanboys then Supporter Fanboys. More numerous and intense."
If you believe that erroneous claim, then you've obviously never read any of the despicable and dishonest crap spewed by Jay Windley's pack of apollogist attack dogs on apollohoax*net.
"I've encountered" is the phrased I used. How can you say I'm erroneous in my claim of what "I've encountered?"
Did I say "there are more Denier Fanboys"? No I did not. I even qualified it with "But I'm certain that's because of what my stance attracts" because I understand that since I'm on THIS side I am more likely to be met with examples of opposition.
So my claim is not erroneous in the slightest.
You're NOT very good at reading comprehension are you?
Obviously you can't dispute the criticism I just made about your constant misreading and misinterpreting what is in front of you plain as day, so you try to fend off the wounding with a feeble jab back.
Let's revisit something I was glib about...ready? "Do you really think radiation just hits a surface and just STAYS AROUND or something?" The lunar surface is constantly, and has been constantly bombarded with solar, and galactic cosmic radiation for billions of years. It continues today. It hasn't stopped. Radioactive moon explains it for those who cannot fathom it.
@GreaterSapien "You seem to have this almost reverent fear of all radiation." You will too, when someone you love deteriorates due to LOW-DOSE radiation treatments...Watching them die in a wheel chair with a shit bag on their ass because their nervous system is going to shit! Hey, but you know it all. Guess those people ijn Fukushima are just fucking hysterical morons!
watch?v=hip1_JuxFE4 Here's the absurdity of it all...Ready? Not only are you defending tax fraud by NAZI's who were imported into our space program via Project Paperclip, you are also defending RACISTS, who weren't to happy about hiring blacks! If you don't watch the video, you'll just have to take my word for it! Would that make you an Uncle Tom?
You've FOUND THE LINE now. Racist-based comments won't be tolerate. Any more on that path will be deleted.
Do you think that kind of tactic works on a thinking person?
I'm not defending any of the things you're saying and again yo're showing your flawed thinking. Ad hominem attacks are a sad turn for someone who purports to be intelligent.
@GreaterSapien It's not racist based. However, the way NASA treated blacks, and it's hiring practices were! I merely pointed out how the defense of those bastards makes you appear...PERIOD! Don't get pissed off when I point out how NASA was, and how your defense of them makes you look. Get mad at yourself instead! Trying to look intelligent is biting you in the ass brother! And yes, regardless of feelings about Apollo we remain brothers! One sold out, the other didn't!
@GreaterSapien Yes....I'll concede the Uncle Tom shit may have edged up to the line. But, you are a sell out. And after you watch that video, you may well understand why that particular term came to mind. So, please go watch the video, where a man tells it like it was! Perhaps you won't get such a hard-on to keep defending the bastards back then, responsible for making you live a life of delusion!
If you can't separate the different deeds people have done throughout their life that's ON YOU.
Just because Device X was created by a guy that did horrendous acts at one point doesn't mean Device X shouldn't be judged for what it is. That's non-critical thinking again.
I don't care if the thing that will save my son's life was invented by Hitler himself. Fuck Hitler and save my kid.
@GreaterSapien Critical thinking? The head of the Apollo program, was an ardent NAZI who created the V2 responsible for countless deaths during WWll! His record was wiped clean, along with hundreds of other NAZI scientists, and seeded into our space program. I suppose that's no biggie to you! Project Paperclip isn't a conpsiracy theory, it's a FACT! That you defend the taxf fraud perpetuated by them is deplorable in my eyes! PERIOD. And NASA hasn't invented shit that saved anyone!
@GreaterSapien Okay? Then will you condemn the use of NAZI rocket scientists who should have hung for the murders they helped commit? Or will you condemn the CIA and TRUMAN for bringing them into our space program, and military industrial complex? Or will you condemn the rampant racism sufficiently explained by a black man who worked for the goddamned NAZI's in charge back then? Will you condemn anything, or just keep on defending the scumbags? Is that TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU?
@GreaterSapien And yet, with all that comdemnation, you can't even fathom that they fucking lied to you enough to do the research to find out for yourself.
You presume I haven't done any research because you think if I had I would agree with you.
But once again you are wrong.
You presume that I don't think that I can "fathom" that they lied. No. Such people lie often. But that doesn't make THIS a lie.
You're a cynic, not a skeptic or a critical thinker. You see things through your assumptions of others motives. You have to look at things for what they ARE not what you think they should be.
@GreaterSapien "BTW the video response you tried to link wasn't related to the point of my video so I didn't allow it." If that helps you sleep at night, or feel superior to those crazy moon hoax people, then so be it! That video is a perfect example of how pro-apollo nutters...YES THAT'S YOU TOO NOW! tend to back track, and lie to keep their delusions regarding Apollo alive in their own minds!
I'd love to keep punching holes in your critical-free thought processes there sape, but it's time to chow down, and reflect on why people like you are easily bilked by the MAN!
@GreaterSapien allright...Just one, before I head off, for real this time, to chow....
3:45 I will leave you with this one. He cannot say they were at lethal levels? Oh yes he can. Scientists tell us all the time that the radiation belts are filed wth DEADLY LEVELS OF RADIAITON....See Lunarcy: NASA's radiation problem 7 You are the one who cannot say they were NOT lethal levels. Don't bother pointing out your obvious hypocrisy, as I've done it for you already!
Scientists DO NOT tell us that the radiation belts are filled with deadly levels of radiation AT ALL TIMES IN ALL LOCATIONS that is SO HIGH WE CAN'T EVER SHIELD IT.
They say a major solar flare would kill the astronauts beyond them. VAN ALLEN SAID the belts were a SEA OF DEADLY RADIATION, and that all manned missions would have to avoid them. If you would have watched all of Whites Radiation series, you would have known that already. And you carefully avoid the radiation beyond them, including the major solar flares astro/solar physicists would agree would have killed them. And of course that info was available had you not been so lazy!
@GreaterSapien You have no interest in facts, as is evident by your quick bunch of posts to shove down information from NASA which proves your incapacity for consuming, and understanding information plainly painting a factual picture of the deadly nature of space!
@GreaterSapien "I have not shoved down any info from NASA." Not only did you repeat the cut and paste (obvious) comment three times or more, you also deleted the comments containing the information from NASA about the RADIOACTIVE MOON. DELETED! What the hell are you afraid of, besides looking like a fool, and believe me, it's way too late for that!
@GreaterSapien "deleted them after I told you to just put a link and not fill up my board with cut and paste. I like people to THINK on my board." As long as those thoughts aren't riddled with facts from NASA about killer electrons, or radioactive moon! Yes, those thoughts literally destroy your position, and deflates your ego down to zero, as one who doesn't know the first thing about why APOLLO was a tax fraud, and faked space exploits! BTW, links are a pain in the ass on comments...
@GreaterSapien "And we did avoid them." You can't avoid the belts, sapi-boy, they surround the entire planet, thinning out at the polar regions. BTW, your comment about cowardly shit....hurling shit...That's all you did for the last three minutes of your video, or more. HYPOCRITE MUCH?
@GreaterSapien "Understand what hypocrite actually means." Yes, when your video contains comments of ridicule, and name-calling to those who don't believe the same bullshit you do, and then tell everyone how you are going to delete comments that are personal attacks, that makes you a HYPOCRITE. Again, you lack of logical thinking, and seeing yourself, and your video for what it is, so obvious, to even the SHEEP...LOL!
I spoke of anonymous namecalling and offensive comments. I also said if you feel the need to make such attacks GET ON CAMERA as a response video.
You see since I was on camera and saying what I said, I was going by the standards I set out. And EVEN then I was not being OFFENSIVE, was I? On the thread I let people name call just short of offensive personal attacks.
@GreaterSapien "I did it while showing my face. My name came be found in a few clicks and my address in five minutes. I'm am not hiding behind anonymity at all." No shit! You are also defending the establishment, and it's tax fraud called Apollo. They'll pat you on the back for that! So brave, sucking up to the man there sapester!!!
BRAVO! Now, why don't you go criticize AB2 and Phil Webb for not putting their arrogant asses on video?
For those paying attention, lessersapien has decided to flood his wittle video with crap, so the information you can find yourself by googling RADIOACTIVE MOON, and KILLER ELECTRONS will be pushed off the page. Google or continue to page 2 and 3. He addresses none of it as it kills his position, and proves him to be weak-minded, and lacking necessary critical thinking skills to spot a fraud. I have some beach front property for you in good ole Indiana sapien!
For those unfortunate enough to listen to the barbs shot out at anyone who has awakened to NASA's Apollo Fairy Tale, I've added info here which should awaken you to the propaganda, and insults lessersapien has decided to thrust upon you!
@GreaterSapien Jarrah already owned you on your points...I'm just adding new ones. Dammit, now my stomach is really bitching at me....
watch?v=6aWUa5l_WNs A radiation expert would like to edumacate you about the fallacy of aluminum as a good source for radiation protection. Careful, you may wake up? Or are you just a PAN troll? Really, your fans want to know!
No he didn't. He, just as you have, decided to keep arguing about radiation and avoid the points I made about his methods of building on false assumptions.
And a radiation expert would also tell me that different radiation is best dealt with in different ways, so shielding is built with layers of different materials.
@GreaterSapien "false assumptions." White, and mine, and other researchers into this subject, use mostly NASA's own research to prove Apollo as the Fairy Tale it was. STill haven't watched the Shepard launch I see. Guess you prefer remaining in the dark, with the rest of the deluded Apollo worshippers. BTW, did you know Apollo was a bi-sexual, pedopheliac God? Great choice the NAZI's of NASA dicided on for their fake missions they shoved up the publics ass!
Dude, I'm at work just responding to your comments as the pop up.Swatting you away doesn'y require higher brain function. I don't have time to watch the vid you want me to watch AND I don't follow your orders.
Yes, false assumptions, because you take real data and nake false assumptions taking the parts of the data that you think fits your already decided position.
@GreaterSapien "I don't have time to watch the vid" Avoid that, and reading articles which damage your position, and deflate your ego to the place it rightfully deserves....
Go figure....
My position over ten years ago was that we went to the moon. I even, regretfully so, made fun of Kaysing, when listening to him on a radio program. Then I joked about it with a neighbor who had been in aeorspace engineering for years. It was him, who intoduced me to Rene's book, and Colliers video!
@GreaterSapien "Is that last paragraph supposed to mean something to me?" Yes, it should...Unless you think defending a bunch of NAZI's who must have thought it funny to get most of the world to believe in fake moon missions named after a pedophiliac, fictional god, COMMENDABLE? Of course with the type of logic you deploy in keeping your Apollo Fairy tale alive in your mind, your defense of such scumbags probably goes completely unnoticed!
@GreaterSapien "Dude, I'm at work just responding to your comments as the pop up" Does your boss know you are sitting there defending NAZI created fake space exploits? Wasting company time in defense of tax fraud! I'm sure the boss would be proud as hell of you!
No offense but you would be a bigger man than any other if you would admit that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.if you were to do so, I would back you up in the utmost way my friend.
Aeronauticalexplorer 2 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
It depends on the shed.
GreaterSapien 2 days ago
@GreaterSapien Oh yea? so whats your analogy of the "shed"?
Aeronauticalexplorer 2 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
It's your analogy
GreaterSapien 1 day ago
They lied and never really walked on the Moon. They lied about being attacked by the Vietnamese. The whole Vietnam War was based on a Lie. They admitted to it. The information has been declassified. Of course they Lied about going to the Moon. I look forward to that being declassified as well.
Aeronauticalexplorer 4 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
I'm sure you do. And since that day will likely never come, you'll be able to spend the rest of your existence comforted by the idea that you are in possession of secret knowledge.
GreaterSapien 4 days ago
@GreaterSapien OK..if you say so.. I guess. Very uncomfortable idea but thats how you and I differ I suppose. And what do you have to say about the Vietnam War? That "secret knowledge" has been released. I am looking forward to your excuse about that. You seem to have all the excuses for the Moonlandings discrepancies. You are basically caught in a corner about that since it has already been declassified. After the astronauts and others "involved" expire, the info may become declassified.
Aeronauticalexplorer 4 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
I have nothing to say about the Vietnam War. Lies were told. Atrocities were committed. All in the name of battling a a non-threat.
Why is it that people like yourself believe that since I think your wrong about the Landings I must believe the Gov't doesn't lie? That's like me assuming you believe every crackpot conspiracy theory out there.
GreaterSapien 4 days ago
@GreaterSapien Its 'all in the name of battle" ?
Aeronauticalexplorer 4 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
Is this a question?
GreaterSapien 4 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
If your standard is "after the astronauts and others 'involved' expire, again you may never see your goal reached. If your right, there's been 2 more generations astronauts, engineers, administrators and whatnot involved in this "cover up." Many of them will outlive you. Meanwhile more are joining the "cover up." The Big Reveal gets further away!
But, hey, as long as "the day is coming," you'll be able to say, "one day..."
GreaterSapien 4 days ago
@GreaterSapien Who are you including in the supposed "cover up" ?
Aeronauticalexplorer 4 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer No offense greeter
sapien but that is pretty lame. "2 more generations astronauts, engineers, administrators.." LOL They have no idea how or if they really walked on the Moon. You are just another victim dreamer in my own opinion.
Aeronauticalexplorer 4 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
Yeah I don't think you get my point. If the cover up is real, do you think only people involved 40 years ago know the "truth"? Or did people involved in the shuttle program and other missions over the last 40 years learn the "truth" and hide it to protect their careers? So now you have to wait for them to die in order for the truth to come out!
Of course it's lame. The whole "you just wait" position is lame.
GreaterSapien 4 days ago
@GreaterSapien Well the shuttle program has nothing to do with the outrageous claim of man walking on the Moon. To be honest with you, I really can't believe you would even mention the Shuttle program. I don't mean to school you but the Shuttle never went outside Earth's atmosphere. You are in a belief of just a fantasy. The source you trust in has admitted to lying to you but you said you don't care so I think you are not playing with a full deck. No offense.
Aeronauticalexplorer 2 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
You don't get my point. I'm not saying the shuttle people had any trips of the extent of Apollo, I'm just positing that people in later NASA missions might gain knowledge of NASA's history that might screw up YOUR waiting for people to die for the "truth" to come out.
No offense taken. You've shown now intelectual authority to be worthy of me taken praise or insult from you.
Take care. Sleep well dreaming of a future never to come...
GreaterSapien 2 days ago
@GreaterSapien No Not "the shuttle people" It has nothing to do with with the Shuttle or the people. You fail to realize that we find the claim of Man walking on the Moon is FAKE and why and how we think that.
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Aeronauticalexplorer 2 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
You're drifting.
I KNOW what you think. I was just POKING FUN at your speculation that once certain people die the "truth" will come out.
You take things way too seriously.
GreaterSapien 2 days ago
@GreaterSapien You got it wrong. There is really Government declassified information that you ignore in which is really significant. You said you don't care so that makes you a dumb ass in my mind.
Aeronauticalexplorer 2 days ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
And since you've got nothing, you resort to insults. That didn't take long at all.
GreaterSapien 1 day ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
And since you've got nothing, you resort to insults. That didn't take long at all.
GreaterSapien 1 day ago
@GreaterSapien What do you mean? "you've got nothing" There is so much evidence out there that proves they faked the whole thing, it makes me look at people like you as ignorant, blind, dumb asses. LOL
Aeronauticalexplorer 1 day ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
I mean YOU have nothing to contribute to this conversation.
All you have said this ENTIRE thread is "they lied" "don't you think govt lies?" "what about vietnam?" "someday the truth will come out" "you're dumb"
You make no mention of the truth of my criticism of White in this video because YOU GOT NOTHING.
GreaterSapien 22 hours ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer
I don't include anyone in any cover up. Your side does. i'm just assuming in your world, other NASA employees and scientists have had to have learned about "the truth" over the last 40 years.
GreaterSapien 4 days ago
you say you want discussion yet you state jarrah failed this is a faliure in discussion
ps i like your bad face at the end after you racist dribble i hate everyone equally
haydenmossop 3 weeks ago
@haydenmossop Yep...conveys it all doesn't it? Thinks he's all that and a bag of chips, yet the information is flawed from conception to delivery. Watch Jarrah rip his ass up on his video response. So obvious it begs the question, how come this guy is still spouting his nonsense!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1 i think you said it before attention seeking
oh i am such a noob unforgiven just worked it out
so cool wish i could think of some thing like that
haydenmossop 3 weeks ago
"BTW the video response you tried to link wasn't related to the point of my video so I didn't allow it." The video addresses the common lie, which you have repeated here, that the Apollo astronauts went around the VAB's...It addressed the radioactive moon article from NASA which you conveniently deleted from the comments section. You are not interested in truth, your interest lies in trying to smear those who have seen through the Apollo fraud, and trying to feign intelligence!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
The point of my video is the flawed thinking of White.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien Well, since you did not bother to watch the entire series, you've failed, and instead, proven your flawed thinking. And the video I attached shows how your flawed thinking isn't due to research, but to buying into the same PAN propaganda that has been repeated ad nauseam...I guess taking the same medicine you try to prescribe to others isn't something you are interested in.
Go figure!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Yeah, you're really not very good at this are you?
I don't have to watch the entire series to see the missteps as they happen.
Again you bring nothing but accusations that I've bought into a vast conspiracy.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien i have now read a lot of your points and even watched some off your other videos and read this insulting banter between you and this un4g1v3n1 and are quite surprised how patriotic you are i my opionion the schooling in your country must be run by the cia because brain washing seems to be rife
haydenmossop 3 weeks ago
@haydenmossop
Only on the web would someone like me be labeled as being patriotic.
Actually I'm quite critical of my nation and the way it has acted and STILL acts in the world community.
I just don't buy into the conspiracy theories about the moonlanding, floride mind control, chem trails, illuminati, and lizard people type claims that pervade society.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien yes i am finding it hard too filter the bullshit aswell been looking at shark videos today and there is some shit don't mean to offend you by calling you patriotic and i only guessed you were american or as i call them american"t do you have a web site?? i would like too see this critical of my country
haydenmossop 3 weeks ago
@haydenmossop
No problem. I just found that amusing.
Yes, I've just started posting at studiosapien (dot) com. It's mostly links to these videos with some extra commentary.
Since it is an election year here, I will be posting a lot more soon.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien hmmm checked your website have not watched any thing yet but was a little concerned at how you say only one video of jarrah was enough to watch this is untrue and a really unfair statement to make jarrah is very thorough and i believe you should spend some time and watch at least his actual videos not the ones on debunking the debunking the debunking even try appollo zero my dad was brainwashed as a child but is convinced now it was only a radio signal it could have come anywhere
haydenmossop 3 weeks ago
@haydenmossop
I was looking at White's video from the perspective of critical thinking. Note I never said "White is getting Fact X wrong and Fact Y wrong." I was discussing the flaws in his critical thinking skills. I spoke specifically about how he was interpreting facts and figures in a manner that is contrary to proper analysis.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@haydenmossop
If I wanted to argue whether his position was right or wrong, I would have gone over the whole thing.
There are a lot of people doing that already. I'm trying my best to look at things from a different direction.
If someone wants to say their position is a scientifically sound one, they need to show they have scientifically sound methods. His methods are extensive, but shoddy.
His methods work on YouTube because most people don't know or care about such things.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien greater i have found an original mooon hoax video this one is a little more sedate but just as thorough an does not have jarrah nasaly voice and his "taking the piss out of america" attitude so i believe it will be a little easier for you too watch
but don't worry jarrah has covered alll these topics and more give this ago
haydenmossop 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"I just don't buy into the conspiracy theories about the moonlanding, floride mind control, chem trails, illuminati, and lizard people type claims that pervade society."
Throwing together real conspiracies with a few absurd ones is called disinformation.
Sorry, but those transparent tactics are fooling no one except the fools who believe Apollo happened as advertised.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
No, I wasn't spreading disinformation. I was explaining to Hayden, that I'm not particularly patriotic just because I don't buy into a range of things could be considered critical of government. The previous sentence gives context.
The fact is EVERY SINGLE one of those topics has come with ML deniers. Holocaust denial and anti-evolution gets thrown in as well.
I know that ML deniers don't all buy into that garbage, I'm just stating I DON'T.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. btw, the term "ML deniers" is not only a silly insult, but also a transparent wind up.. So please don't pretend that you're not engaged in this BATTLE.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
What would you prefer to be called? When I say ML Doubters, people say "I don't doubt, I deny." When I say ML Deniers you say it's a "wind up." ML Conspiracy Theorists is insulting. ML Critics doesn't encompass your position.
What should it be?
None of those BTW are as transparent a wind up as "Apollogists."
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. I would prefer to be called a hoax researcher .. Every other term used by the Apollo defenders, in describing those they disagree with, is condescending, imo.
As for the term "Apollogist", I didn't coin it, but I do agree it describes the ML supporters perfectly... but if you find it offensive, I will be happy to call you a ML supporter instead.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
It really doesn't matter to me, "Apollogist" just alludes to a term which is wholly inaccurate of what I do. Though it does give a clear picture of how you may perceive things.
But I won't be using the term "hoax researcher" because that would be me lending credence to the position there was a hoax. Which I'm not going to do.
I'm not going to call you "hoax believers" because that may be taken that you believe IN the hoax, when actually you think I believe the hoax.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
Understand that to me DOUBT and DENIAL aren't bad descriptions, just accurate. You doubt the official story. You deny the Moon landing happened. Much the same way I doubt the existence of God and deny the authority of the Bible.
"Conspiracy Theorists" "CTs" or Conspiracy Believers" can be an oversimplification, but isn't meant as an insult.
"Conspiracists" is a false generalization. "Hoaxies" is an insult. Both of which I have been guilty of.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. I gotta hand it to you..When it comes to blowing smoke, you're up there with some of the best of them.
I don't give a rats behind what you call anyone, including yourself.. In my opinion, you're just another moon hoax denier.. So that's what I will call you.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
And you're still the king of not being able to dispute the points in my videos.
You're the one who brought up the subject of what you should be called not me.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"And you're still the king of not being able to dispute the points in my videos."
And you're still the king of dishonest mind games, since I never mentioned any points in your videos.. I only mentioned your obvious agenda against Jarrah White.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
"...since I never mentioned any points in your videos" Exactly, that's what I've been saying! You can't dispute the points of my videos so you stay on other topics. Thanks for the admission!
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien ..
"You can't dispute the points of my videos so you stay on other topics. Thanks for the admission!"
Jarrah White has already debunked your "points" in his reply video to you, so there's no need for me to do the same.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Nope. He just re-argued them and made excuses.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien Nope.. From what I just watched in this video, Jarrah clearly kicked your ass by disproving all of your silly "rebuttals".
watch?v=_MXI6-xF38s&feature=related
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Of course you think that. You suffer from the same lack of vision he does.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
BTW, I never said I wasn't in this battle. There is a battle going on against the pervasive lack of critical thinking in the public sphere.
But what I AM saying is that not every comment should be looked at in the FRAMEWORK of a battle. When someone says "NASA hired war-criminal NAZIS, how can you support that?" I say "condemning NAZIS and supporting the Landing aren't mutually exclusive" not "stop spreading propaganda." See the difference?
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
Deleted and re-posted because the difference between "was" and "wasn't" is massive.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
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straydog02 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien ..Of course you're in this battle.. but from what I've seen your real BATTLE is not so much defending Apollo, but rather attacking Jarrah White.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
Yes, criticism is an attack. White is a VICTIM of my critical attack.
You're projecting a motivation on me that exists only in your head.
My battle is with non-critical thinking and magical thinking people. If you or White fall into that category, you will be a potential object of criticism. That is all. To think otherwise is unwarranted.
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GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. Your motivation doesn't exist in my head.. It exists in yours.. It's obvious what your agenda is here .. Your condescending attitude towards Apollo hoax researcher Jarrah White is quite typical of those, who for whatever reason, refuse to see that the official Apollo record is not true.
Saying things like the 'ML deniers" way of thinking is "non-critical" or "magical", is just another way of slinging silly insults towards those you have decided to target.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
Yes I have a condescending attitude toward White and his methods, yet that doesn't mean my "battle" is attacking White. You give him too much credit.
Saying specific ML deniers are displaying non-critical thinking and providing examples is not a "silly insult" but a critique back with examples.
I don't call ML deniers magical thinkers. I call creationists, astrologists, and the like, magical thinkers.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien
"Yes I have a condescending attitude toward White and his methods, yet that doesn't mean my "battle" is attacking White. You give him too much credit."
Attacking Jarrah White and his claims about radiation is the reason you made this video, yet I'm the one giving him too much credit?
Priceless!
"I don't call ML deniers magical thinkers. I call creationists, astrologists, and the like, magical thinkers."
Once again, nobody cares what you call anybody.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Wrong again! I made the video to go after his faulty logic.
It seems YOU care about what I call people because YOU brought it up and KEEP discussing it.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. Not only is it a waste of my time arguing with game playing moon hoax deniers like you, but I have no interest in continuing to help run up your view count, or post comments that can be deleted by you..
If you would like to continue your silly "debate" with me, bring it here.
watch?v=hpcpSGmMuZ0&feature=channel_video_title
At least that way we would be running up the view count of a video worth watching.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Yeah, excuses excuses.
Since the only time I've censored is for seriously offensive remarks, relentless cutting and pasting, and WAY off subject annoyances, there is NO reason for you to fear deletion unless you have the desire to do one those things without being called on it.
If you don't want to discuss things with me, bye! don't comment on my videos any more.
But for me to follow your lead to talk somewhere else would require me to be more interested in you than I am.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"But for me to follow your lead to talk somewhere else would require me to be more interested in you than I am."
You might not be interested in me, but you're obviously extremely interested in Jarrah White..So let's take our discussion to his rebuttal of this video .. Since you're already posting your nonsense there, it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to debate me there.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Still trying to run to favorable ground, eh? Where you can make hyperbolic statements and insulting comments and drift off topic at will?
When was they last time I commented there? A week? 2?
No, feel free to go around to WHATEVER page you like and call me out and say whatever you wish.
"Extremely interested." Projecting. I did 1 video in reaction to HIS FANS desires. The other 2 were responses. 3 of 18 vids. 3 of 11 if just counting critical thinking vids. "Extremely!"
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. My replies to your latest nonsense are here.
watch?v=_MXI6-xF38s&feature=related
Let's at least play on a video that deserves the view counts.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
I already commented fully on that video. With this video in fact.
Yes, I did write "No, feel free to go around to WHATEVER page you like and call me out and say whatever you wish."
Did you notice the first word of that sentence was "no"?
I was just acknowledging that you're free to do it and I wouldn't care.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. What part of, reply to my comments on the other video, did you not understand? .. LOL
Not only are your comments on Jarrah's rebuttal video as ridiculous as your "rebuttal" video here, but you're nothing but a game playing fool.
So thanks once again for proving what an insignificant little troll you really are.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
I did reply to your "comments" there.
Did you not READ them or are you just POSTURING here to make it seem like I didn't?
Your comments were actually just insults, proving my point about your character.
What part of "but for me to follow your lead to talk somewhere else would require me to be more interested in you than I am" did you not understand?
It's not your world, you don't set my agenda. And I don't follow your lead.
Little stray dog barking at a big scary world.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
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straydog02 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"Little stray dog barking at a big scary world."
No, just barking at another litte insignificant apollogist attack dog, with the same agenda as the rest of the little insignificant attack dog trolls.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Yet you keep coming back.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien
"Yet you keep coming back."
I keep coming back because I'm fascinated with losers like you who have no life outside of trolling on YouTube.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"I did reply to your "comments" there."
Sorry I missed them.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"Did you not READ them or are you just POSTURING here to make it seem like I didn't?"
Are you sure you replied here?
watch?v=_MXI6-xF38s&feature=related
I don't see them.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
You mean where you said
"Ok, let's debate here."
and
"I haven't misinterpreted the real purpose of your asinine videos, or your silly mind games either.. You're just another insignificant troll, who has nothing better to do with his sad life than to attack Jarrah White."
Which, like I said were just insulting me not comments worth answering.
Yep, responded under both.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"Yep, responded under both."
Nope, still don't see any replies here.
watch?v=_MXI6-xF38s&feature=related
Which makes you not only a game playing troll but also a liar... but considering all the crap you spew in your "rebuttal' videos, that really comes as no surprise.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"It's not your world, you don't set my agenda. And I don't follow your lead."
Yet you claimed you replied to me on Jarrah's rebuttal video when you didn't.
Are you a liar?
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
So are you just looking for an excuse to post a link to that video over and over.
Here are SCREENSHOTS of my comments under yours.
Start with (studiosapien . com /wp-content/uploads/2012/02/CommentScreens.png)
You're not worth lying to.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
Note that one of your comments was marked as Spam and has to be opened to be seen.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien
"Here are SCREENSHOTS of my comments under yours."
Not only do your comments NOT appear on the main page, but they NEVER came into my email inbox, which means you did NOT reply to me directly, but instead posted replies you knew I wouldn't see.
Thanks for helping me prove that you're nothing but game playing TROLL who is not worth the bother.
btw, nobody makes little trolls like you eat dirt better than Jarrah White. Thanks or your help in proving him right
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Sorry, Stray, but the "they NEVER came into my email inbox" thing happens to me all the time, which is why I don't react to some comments for days. I've taken to going to a page once a day and searching "@greatersapien" when I'm in the middle of a conversation with someone.
Are you claiming my screenshots are fake now?
Full context: /wp-content/uploads/2012/02/CommentScreen2.png
Notice the indentation of the comments in both screenshots?
Did I hack YT?
Getover yourself, Stray.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. Sorry troll, but ALL replies come into my email inbox if they are replied to my user name directly.. Your silly games here have been exposed, along with your inability to refute Jarrah White.
I guess you must have confused the flag for spam as being a dirrect reply to me....LOL
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Well then you must be SPECIAL, because all replies don't get to my Inbox.
Your conspiratorial mind has a hard time when reality keeps proving you wrong doesn't it?
Did I hack Youtube? Did I photoshop a fake screenshot in 4 minutes just for you?
Your grasping at straws and embarrassing yourself.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
No you're embarrassing yourself by misspelling "you're" LOL!
Beat you to it, Stray!
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien ..Just the fact that you reply to ALL of my replies within a matter of a few minutes should be a great embarrassment to you since it proves you have no life other than trolling YouTube.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Nope. Just on my day off. Kid's at school. Editing my next 2 vids in Final Cut in one window. Waiting for the morning rush at the gym to end so I can get my time in. What's your excuse?
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"Nope. Just on my day off."
You must have every day off then since you reply to me within minutes every single day.. You give your silly game away with every dishonest reply.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Oh and aren't YOU trolling ME since this is my page? Where's my trolling action around Youtube?
Oh that's right, I'm secretly a bunch of other people! So I'm trolling as them right now.
I forgot.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"Oh and aren't YOU trolling ME since this is my page? Where's my trolling action around Youtube?"
My reply to that is here.
watch?v=_MXI6-xF38s
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Actually, your reply to that is right here. You just typed it.
BTW, I have received NO NOTIFICATION that you've replied to me on another page.
Are you lying? Of course not. Sometimes we don't get notified.
12:22 Pacific Time. Will go comment NOW.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. Just in case you didn't get notified again ( LOL) , I just replied to you here.
watch?v=_MXI6-xF38s&feature=email&email=comment_reply_received
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Yeah, I got it.
But you still don't get it, do you?
Since you've shown all you want to do is engage in insults over there (to this minute you have done NOTHING but insult me over there) I'm not playing your childish games.
If you want to comment over there. Fine. Play with yourself some more. I'm here.
If you post here again and you WANT to be deleted keep posting links to the other video. You've admitted you want it to get more hits, but my page isn't for ads for your hero..
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien . It's also a tad difficult to reply to the crap you post but then remove from Jarrah's video.
"Comment removed
GreaterSapien 1 day ago"
Did you screen capture that one too?
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
OH, you see them now?
It's called reposting after a typo, Stray.
You've got a couple of those "comment removed"s on this thread, should I read something into that?
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
You see in my previous comment I described to you who my "battle" was with. Non-critical and magical thinkers. I also said "if you or White…" Since you see me as battling you, you assumed I lumped you in as a magical thinker, when in fact I was not.
You have repeated shown a tendency to read statements and jump to false conclusions, which I pointed out White tends to do, and just serves to prove my point.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"You see in my previous comment I described to you who my "battle" was with. Non-critical and magical thinkers. I also said "if you or White…blah blah blah.. "
Your real battle is against anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion about Apollo... Calling any of those people "non-critical thinkers" or "magical thinkers" is nothing but condescending ad homs.. Something that hoax deniers are famous for using, when engaged in this particular battle.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
See you do care about what I call people. You're bringing it up again!
Non-critical thinkers is a legitimate criticism that I back up with evidence.
Magical thinkers is term that I use for people who I see believing in magical things. It's only an "ad hom" if I say "the reason X is wrong is because he is a magical thinker." Not used in an argument, it's just an insult.
Here you are again telling me what's in my own head, something you have no proof of.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Why does it seem that with the ML deniers every word said is viewed through the context of a BATTLE? A flippant generalization can't be seen as such but is "disinformation." Criticizing someone's position is "propaganda."
Everything is giving an emotional weight for some reason.
Just an observation.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. The BATTLE was actually started by the Apollogists a very long time ago. Their MO is to usually outnumber the hoax researchers by at least 5 to 1 ( usually more) so they can have a good old tag team, gang bang against anyone who dares to question the validity of Apollo!!.. I've never seen any discussion that didn't turn into a mud slinging brawl.
But just the fact that you believe the "emotional weight" is one sided, shows how much denial you're in.
Just an observation.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
Here again is an example of someone pushing there assumptions out.
Did I say the emotional weight is "one sided"? No I did not. I was talking about encounters with ML deniers. But since I didn't overtly open up my criticism to everyone, you ASSUME I don't believe ML supporters use emotional tactics.
Of course they do. They also get oddly fanboyish about other ML supporters just as deniers do. But I was talking aout you at the time.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien .. Your post only mentioned the "emotional weight" of the "ML deniers", not the ML supporters...Yet now you claim you were really describing ML supporters too? .. Unbelievable!
I didn't ASSUME anything.. I just read your comment .. Maybe you should read it again, since you apparently already forgot what you said.
I agree that ML supporters are fanboyish about their leaders.. As for me, try not to get defending a fellow hoax researcher, confused what the Apollo Fan Boys do.
straydog02 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
Somehow I missed this comment. Here you are again misreading things. I didn't say I was "really describing ML supporters too" I said I was talking about ML Deniers and since I didn't mention ML Supporters YOU ASSUMED I only thought Deniers had that quality. I have limited space and I'm not going to qualify every statement because you have bad logic skills. (cont.)
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
Let me be wordy here. If I say "A has THIS property," what does that say about my thoughts on B? Or C? Nothing! So if you were to say, "Jerry thinks ONLY A has this property" you are making an ASSUMPTION based on limited information. I was talking about ML Deniers, so that is the only position you had from me. You say it yourself, MY "post only mentioned the 'emotional weight' of the 'ML deniers', not the ML supporters." The rest was YOU filling in the blanks with your bias.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@straydog02
You mention in your last paragraph that you "agree that ML supporters are fanboyish about their leaders". If I were to say "you must think that tendency only applies to ML Supporters" I would be making a FALSE ASSUMPTION. Since you were only talking about supporters, I can't assume your thoughts on Deniers, can I?
As it is, I've encountered more Denier Fanboys then Supporter Fanboys. More numerous and intense.
But I'm certain that's because of what my stance attracts.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"As it is, I've encountered more Denier Fanboys then Supporter Fanboys. More numerous and intense."
If you believe that erroneous claim, then you've obviously never read any of the despicable and dishonest crap spewed by Jay Windley's pack of apollogist attack dogs on apollohoax*net.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
"I've encountered" is the phrased I used. How can you say I'm erroneous in my claim of what "I've encountered?"
Did I say "there are more Denier Fanboys"? No I did not. I even qualified it with "But I'm certain that's because of what my stance attracts" because I understand that since I'm on THIS side I am more likely to be met with examples of opposition.
So my claim is not erroneous in the slightest.
You're NOT very good at reading comprehension are you?
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien
"You're NOT very good at reading comprehension are you?"
You're not good at any form of comprehension, if you actually believe you refuted any of Jarrah White's claims.
straydog02 2 weeks ago
@straydog02
Nice comeback.
Obviously you can't dispute the criticism I just made about your constant misreading and misinterpreting what is in front of you plain as day, so you try to fend off the wounding with a feeble jab back.
The "no, you're stupid" defense.
GreaterSapien 2 weeks ago
Let's revisit something I was glib about...ready? "Do you really think radiation just hits a surface and just STAYS AROUND or something?" The lunar surface is constantly, and has been constantly bombarded with solar, and galactic cosmic radiation for billions of years. It continues today. It hasn't stopped. Radioactive moon explains it for those who cannot fathom it.
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
I can fathom it just fine.
I'm not claiming the Moon is safe to dance naked on. You seem to have this almost reverent fear of all radiation.
You don't seem to have a grasp of there being levels of danger and techniques for dealing with it, is what I'm saying.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien "You seem to have this almost reverent fear of all radiation." You will too, when someone you love deteriorates due to LOW-DOSE radiation treatments...Watching them die in a wheel chair with a shit bag on their ass because their nervous system is going to shit! Hey, but you know it all. Guess those people ijn Fukushima are just fucking hysterical morons!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
I never spoke ill of the victims of Fukishima. But Fukishima is a far different thing.
If you've experience such a tragedy, my feelings got out to you, but that doesn't change the facts of the matter.
Again, you bring nothing but hyperbole to the table.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
watch?v=hip1_JuxFE4 Here's the absurdity of it all...Ready? Not only are you defending tax fraud by NAZI's who were imported into our space program via Project Paperclip, you are also defending RACISTS, who weren't to happy about hiring blacks! If you don't watch the video, you'll just have to take my word for it! Would that make you an Uncle Tom?
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Stop.
You've FOUND THE LINE now. Racist-based comments won't be tolerate. Any more on that path will be deleted.
Do you think that kind of tactic works on a thinking person?
I'm not defending any of the things you're saying and again yo're showing your flawed thinking. Ad hominem attacks are a sad turn for someone who purports to be intelligent.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien It's not racist based. However, the way NASA treated blacks, and it's hiring practices were! I merely pointed out how the defense of those bastards makes you appear...PERIOD! Don't get pissed off when I point out how NASA was, and how your defense of them makes you look. Get mad at yourself instead! Trying to look intelligent is biting you in the ass brother! And yes, regardless of feelings about Apollo we remain brothers! One sold out, the other didn't!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
The namecalling you used was racist based and you know it.
No one here has "sold out". You've bought into ignorant conspiratorial, fear-based thinking.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien Yes....I'll concede the Uncle Tom shit may have edged up to the line. But, you are a sell out. And after you watch that video, you may well understand why that particular term came to mind. So, please go watch the video, where a man tells it like it was! Perhaps you won't get such a hard-on to keep defending the bastards back then, responsible for making you live a life of delusion!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Sell out? Please.
If you can't separate the different deeds people have done throughout their life that's ON YOU.
Just because Device X was created by a guy that did horrendous acts at one point doesn't mean Device X shouldn't be judged for what it is. That's non-critical thinking again.
I don't care if the thing that will save my son's life was invented by Hitler himself. Fuck Hitler and save my kid.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien Critical thinking? The head of the Apollo program, was an ardent NAZI who created the V2 responsible for countless deaths during WWll! His record was wiped clean, along with hundreds of other NAZI scientists, and seeded into our space program. I suppose that's no biggie to you! Project Paperclip isn't a conpsiracy theory, it's a FACT! That you defend the taxf fraud perpetuated by them is deplorable in my eyes! PERIOD. And NASA hasn't invented shit that saved anyone!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
I'm not defending any such thing. Where have I defending any of that? Where? Quote me defending it.
The invention part was an ANALOGY, man. Really? Is it that difficult for you to understand things?
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien Okay? Then will you condemn the use of NAZI rocket scientists who should have hung for the murders they helped commit? Or will you condemn the CIA and TRUMAN for bringing them into our space program, and military industrial complex? Or will you condemn the rampant racism sufficiently explained by a black man who worked for the goddamned NAZI's in charge back then? Will you condemn anything, or just keep on defending the scumbags? Is that TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU?
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Oh, THIS what we're talking about now?Not that I NEED to, but:
I condemn the use of NAZI rocket scientists who some believe should have hanged for the murders they helped commit.
I condemn the CIA and TRUMAN for bringing them into our space program.
I condemn military industrial complex.
I condemn the rampant racism that exist in that system.
But that doesn't mean we didn't walk on the Moon. They are not mutually exclusive things.
Not difficult at all
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien And yet, with all that comdemnation, you can't even fathom that they fucking lied to you enough to do the research to find out for yourself.
Typical!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
You presume I haven't done any research because you think if I had I would agree with you.
But once again you are wrong.
You presume that I don't think that I can "fathom" that they lied. No. Such people lie often. But that doesn't make THIS a lie.
You're a cynic, not a skeptic or a critical thinker. You see things through your assumptions of others motives. You have to look at things for what they ARE not what you think they should be.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
BTW the video response you tried to link wasn't related to the point of my video so I didn't allow it.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien "BTW the video response you tried to link wasn't related to the point of my video so I didn't allow it." If that helps you sleep at night, or feel superior to those crazy moon hoax people, then so be it! That video is a perfect example of how pro-apollo nutters...YES THAT'S YOU TOO NOW! tend to back track, and lie to keep their delusions regarding Apollo alive in their own minds!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
I'd love to keep punching holes in your critical-free thought processes there sape, but it's time to chow down, and reflect on why people like you are easily bilked by the MAN!
Later!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Next time try to address my video.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien allright...Just one, before I head off, for real this time, to chow....
3:45 I will leave you with this one. He cannot say they were at lethal levels? Oh yes he can. Scientists tell us all the time that the radiation belts are filed wth DEADLY LEVELS OF RADIAITON....See Lunarcy: NASA's radiation problem 7 You are the one who cannot say they were NOT lethal levels. Don't bother pointing out your obvious hypocrisy, as I've done it for you already!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Scientists DO NOT tell us that the radiation belts are filled with deadly levels of radiation AT ALL TIMES IN ALL LOCATIONS that is SO HIGH WE CAN'T EVER SHIELD IT.
Now, do they?
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
They say a major solar flare would kill the astronauts beyond them. VAN ALLEN SAID the belts were a SEA OF DEADLY RADIATION, and that all manned missions would have to avoid them. If you would have watched all of Whites Radiation series, you would have known that already. And you carefully avoid the radiation beyond them, including the major solar flares astro/solar physicists would agree would have killed them. And of course that info was available had you not been so lazy!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
And people like you and White take a very broad look at the term MAJOR.
And we did avoid them.
I don't need to watch White to know facts.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien You have no interest in facts, as is evident by your quick bunch of posts to shove down information from NASA which proves your incapacity for consuming, and understanding information plainly painting a factual picture of the deadly nature of space!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Ooh an exclamation point! Must be serious.
I have not shoved down any info from NASA. I've shot down your generalizations and exaggerated fear "of the deadly nature of space!"
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien "I have not shoved down any info from NASA." Not only did you repeat the cut and paste (obvious) comment three times or more, you also deleted the comments containing the information from NASA about the RADIOACTIVE MOON. DELETED! What the hell are you afraid of, besides looking like a fool, and believe me, it's way too late for that!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
I deleted them after I told you to just put a link and not fill up my board with cut and paste.
I like people to THINK on my board. I like people to CONVERSE on my board.
I wasn't dismissing or shoving NASA, I was dismissing YOU.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
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un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien "deleted them after I told you to just put a link and not fill up my board with cut and paste. I like people to THINK on my board." As long as those thoughts aren't riddled with facts from NASA about killer electrons, or radioactive moon! Yes, those thoughts literally destroy your position, and deflates your ego down to zero, as one who doesn't know the first thing about why APOLLO was a tax fraud, and faked space exploits! BTW, links are a pain in the ass on comments...
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien "And we did avoid them." You can't avoid the belts, sapi-boy, they surround the entire planet, thinning out at the polar regions. BTW, your comment about cowardly shit....hurling shit...That's all you did for the last three minutes of your video, or more. HYPOCRITE MUCH?
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Nope. Understand what hypocrite actually means.
I did it while showing my face. My name came be found in a few clicks and my address in five minutes. I'm am not hiding behind anonymity at all.
We avoided the most dangerous aspects and if you didn't know I meant that, I'm sorry.
Sapi-boy?
Weak.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien "Understand what hypocrite actually means." Yes, when your video contains comments of ridicule, and name-calling to those who don't believe the same bullshit you do, and then tell everyone how you are going to delete comments that are personal attacks, that makes you a HYPOCRITE. Again, you lack of logical thinking, and seeing yourself, and your video for what it is, so obvious, to even the SHEEP...LOL!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Yeah, you don't know what that word means.
I spoke of anonymous namecalling and offensive comments. I also said if you feel the need to make such attacks GET ON CAMERA as a response video.
You see since I was on camera and saying what I said, I was going by the standards I set out. And EVEN then I was not being OFFENSIVE, was I? On the thread I let people name call just short of offensive personal attacks.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Again you've shown you don't pay attention to what you're watching or listening to and just project your own assumptions on your target.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien "I did it while showing my face. My name came be found in a few clicks and my address in five minutes. I'm am not hiding behind anonymity at all." No shit! You are also defending the establishment, and it's tax fraud called Apollo. They'll pat you on the back for that! So brave, sucking up to the man there sapester!!!
BRAVO! Now, why don't you go criticize AB2 and Phil Webb for not putting their arrogant asses on video?
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
For those paying attention, lessersapien has decided to flood his wittle video with crap, so the information you can find yourself by googling RADIOACTIVE MOON, and KILLER ELECTRONS will be pushed off the page. Google or continue to page 2 and 3. He addresses none of it as it kills his position, and proves him to be weak-minded, and lacking necessary critical thinking skills to spot a fraud. I have some beach front property for you in good ole Indiana sapien!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Nope. Not at all. You decided to CUT and PASTE a bunch of text from the NASA website and I said just put a LINK.
But if you want to run around pointing fingers whining censorship go ahead.
And you STILL haven't addressed a single point of my videos.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
For those unfortunate enough to listen to the barbs shot out at anyone who has awakened to NASA's Apollo Fairy Tale, I've added info here which should awaken you to the propaganda, and insults lessersapien has decided to thrust upon you!
Cheers!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
You're the one tossing insults here. "lessersapien"?
You still haven't discussed my points just tried to justify your own.
The info your getting FROM NASA does not provide evidence against the Apollo program in the slightest.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien Jarrah already owned you on your points...I'm just adding new ones. Dammit, now my stomach is really bitching at me....
watch?v=6aWUa5l_WNs A radiation expert would like to edumacate you about the fallacy of aluminum as a good source for radiation protection. Careful, you may wake up? Or are you just a PAN troll? Really, your fans want to know!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
No he didn't. He, just as you have, decided to keep arguing about radiation and avoid the points I made about his methods of building on false assumptions.
And a radiation expert would also tell me that different radiation is best dealt with in different ways, so shielding is built with layers of different materials.
But I already know that.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien "false assumptions." White, and mine, and other researchers into this subject, use mostly NASA's own research to prove Apollo as the Fairy Tale it was. STill haven't watched the Shepard launch I see. Guess you prefer remaining in the dark, with the rest of the deluded Apollo worshippers. BTW, did you know Apollo was a bi-sexual, pedopheliac God? Great choice the NAZI's of NASA dicided on for their fake missions they shoved up the publics ass!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
Dude, I'm at work just responding to your comments as the pop up.Swatting you away doesn'y require higher brain function. I don't have time to watch the vid you want me to watch AND I don't follow your orders.
Yes, false assumptions, because you take real data and nake false assumptions taking the parts of the data that you think fits your already decided position.
Just name-calling now.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
@GreaterSapien "I don't have time to watch the vid" Avoid that, and reading articles which damage your position, and deflate your ego to the place it rightfully deserves....
Go figure....
My position over ten years ago was that we went to the moon. I even, regretfully so, made fun of Kaysing, when listening to him on a radio program. Then I joked about it with a neighbor who had been in aeorspace engineering for years. It was him, who intoduced me to Rene's book, and Colliers video!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
@un4g1v3n1
I've read those articles long ago.
Is that last paragraph supposed to mean something to me?
Because it's meaningless.
GreaterSapien 3 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien "Is that last paragraph supposed to mean something to me?" Yes, it should...Unless you think defending a bunch of NAZI's who must have thought it funny to get most of the world to believe in fake moon missions named after a pedophiliac, fictional god, COMMENDABLE? Of course with the type of logic you deploy in keeping your Apollo Fairy tale alive in your mind, your defense of such scumbags probably goes completely unnoticed!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago
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@GreaterSapien "Dude, I'm at work just responding to your comments as the pop up" Does your boss know you are sitting there defending NAZI created fake space exploits? Wasting company time in defense of tax fraud! I'm sure the boss would be proud as hell of you!
un4g1v3n1 3 weeks ago