OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS BURIED IN CHINA IN 2001. HIS BODY IS NOT AT SEA WHICH IS JUST A ‘MAN IN THE MIDDLE PSY-OP’ TO INCITE MOSLEM HATRED OF THE WEST READY FOR THE BLOODY HOLY WAR THE VATICAN AND KING JUAN CARLOS OF SPAIN CRAVE FOR IN ORDER TO REVIVE THEIR BABYLON.
I never believed the White House claims. Bin Laden was already dead. There is also a possibility that the helicopter was ordered to fly low enough to be shot down. Set up.
@popcur Someone was shot, based on Hillery's reaction. I'm not sure if Obama would have been dumb enough not to take him in to custody and not let him off easy, or not. Personally I think we should have set him afire. I also thyink that Bush & Cheney should still be held responsible for War Crimes and Jeb Bush and other's for election fraud, and the Cia held accountable for Abu-Graib and the soldier''s reimbursed for the time they served in prison..
Yeah those poor soldiers, all they did was torture humiliate and murder Iraqi prisoners. They should definitely be compensated and given medals for their Americanism.
@ahmed337799 Well since you are undoubtedly unaware of this countries history I'll forgive your sarcasm. You yourself sound like the type that would have been tricked by the CIA's ploy. Let me educate you you a bit of our college history and the art of manipulation. First off there is an experiment that took place at Standford in the 70s that is illegal to recreate on any college campus in the united states. I'm referring to The Stanford prison experiment.
sarcasm? are you f kidding me? all those war crimes in vietnam mean nothing to you? im not saying only americans are capable of torture, but what sickens me is that you praise those who commit it and refuse to jail them.
@ahmed337799 I said, I understood what took place,ot that I condoned it. Point out to me where I praised them for what they did? They went to prison for crimes that were orchestrated by others. They received very harsh sentences for some they were likely forced, or coerced to do. You are talking about a group of hillbillies that some how gained knowledge beyond them as what is the best ways to systematically embarrass and humiliate Muslims.
@ahmed337799 Let me ask you this, if you were put in a situation far from home and someone tells you to do something you know is morally wrong, but if you do not comply it is said that you family is likely to come to harm would you do it? Yes, short of murder The facts that fit the case is that the Cia Motivated them to to do those acts, and they went free, the fact remains the men that really were responsible went unpunished and the soldiers took the whole brunt of it.
@ahmed337799 I in no way praised them for their participation, but knowing the circumstances that received way harsher of punishment than they deserved, because they were were less than willing participants in that operation. The men that set the plan in motion were never arrested, or charged. Those soldier deserve compensation for half of their sentences and the those that set the plan in motion need to be arrested and brought to justice for creating the crime in the first place.
@ahmed337799 I just did before you even asked.Simply put these were simply undereducated weekend warrior soldiers, not trained to guard prisoners and had to guidelines, much as in the way of The Standford Experiment that went wrong. The cia was well away of that experiment and it's illegality to ever repeat again. They set the soldiers up into a situation to where they could foster the same type situation as happened in Stanford. Once the inevitable began to happen...
@ahmed337799 Once the inevitable started happened they stepped in and encouraged the mistreatments and told them how to more effectively do it and encouraged tons of photos, not just a few of laughs, I'm saying tons. They knew eventually what was going on would come to light and the soldiers would be the patsies to take the full blame. Those that didn't want to play ball I;m sure were pulled aside and reminded that they were far from home and that they had family back there.
@ahmed337799 Finally what happened finally happened a soldier came forward and then congress found out and it made news. The government rather than fully investigating all what happened, brought the Cia in before the senate and when it was clear they were going to hide behind Bushs newly designed cloak of secrecy stopped trying to hold the cia accountable. They had to punish someone to make the Muslims happy, so instead of punishing all involved the full brunt went to the soldiers
@ahmed337799 That made most Muslims sort of happy that, but it served another effect. It pissed the Muslims off so then the Terrorists starting beheading Americans. That is exactly what Bush needed to bring the wars popularity back up off the matt and get people behind it again. Because when most Americans seen that they thought damn what animals and supported the war with vigor, rather than taking the time to really study what happened to piss them off as much as they did.
@ahmed337799 A lot of people that counted fell for that trick and so did a lot of peaceful Arabs & some not so peaceful terrorists. There was no reason to take thousands of photos other than asking to be caught & that's what happened. There needs to be an investigation reopened regarding that. That will never happen, because must vice presidents fade into the back ground after their term, but Cheney wouldn't shut up till he was sure Obama wouldn't have him charged with war crimes.
@ahmed337799 Before Bush left office he railroaded legislation protecting him and his members of his cabinet from war crimes. They knew what they were doing and how to do it and get away with it. In short the Cia, and the Government during that period either by manipulation, or coercion created Abu Graib for a purpose and got away with it.
@ahmed337799 It's sad to, because up until that point, during most wars people generally surrender, because our treatmernt of prisoners some times offers more freedom than their every day lives. Is that clearer to you now?
@ahmed337799 Oh for the record the CIA didn't demonize the American people by their actions. They did put a blot on our military, because any right minded person outside of those circumstances would not have committed those acts.Our Cia is generally a force for out protection, but under Home Land Security devised by the Bush administration it becomes only as moral as the president in charge. We had 42 presidents up to that point that reflected our morality.
@ahmed337799 That is a good record a handful of them we could debate about, but for the most part it was best said, by Winston Churchill, When all other possibilities are exhausted sooner, or later America gets around to doing the right thing". It is hard to say which Bush was, more morally bankrupt, or just a plain idiot that wasn't qualified to be president. He basically stole the 1st election from Gore & we did elect him I think hoping tio fix Iraq, but not in the fashion he did.
@ahmed337799 Then 911 happened and we don't like to switch leaders in the middle of a war, matter a fact two wars. We didn't realize he was such a war monger under after his second term. We did know this was a warring president, but after 911 we were convinced at the time that he was aggressive he would have set Osama on fire in a public square to set Justice right. We are well aware of what he did and how clueless he was.
@ahmed337799 He is reponsible for thousands of our soldiers deaths and a million Arabs needless slaughter. He was so clueless and so hated he thought he could grab a last bit of glory for freeing Iraq from Saddam. Instead he didn't realize that when you have nearly ever family have a death do to his war that they were pissed..When that man threw that shoe, how I wished he would have owned a shoe store. Our country has supported nearly every other country in some way for a long time.
@ahmed337799 We've done more good in the world than evil in our short few hundred years. People from other countries are quick to forget that when a nation has been on top for so long. As a people we took on Obama to return back to the old ways of peace, but we have to many other ungrateful countries trying to collapse us economically. When we suffer the rest of the world does as well. So out prosperity is yours as as well, so when other nations wish us to falter and bad tidings..
@ahmed337799 Those that participated in the man slaughter now that is different, involuntary manslaughter is 5 years. If you can point out where I praised them I'll give you all the money in my wallet. The Cia used them badly & also tricked many normal Muslims into becoming jihadists, lured the true terrorists into their clever trap. Bush is gone now & hopefully we will never have such a tragic president ever again In the future ask, instead of put words in my mouth I did not say.
@ahmed337799 In the long run they are only harming themselves. If and once we do the right thing and become as prosperous as before we will remember every nation we assisted in the past and then we needed help turned their backs. When they come with a hand out except for humanitarian aid we won't give them the time of day. I'd like you to view this video entitles, "USA for Africa - We are the World" count how many people are not American in the video offering their helping hands.
@ahmed337799 That video sums up more of what we are about than of Cia and a few soldier's run a muck under one failed president out of over 40 good ones.
Sorry, the United States was always an evil empire, like all other empires, guilty of mass murder in Vietnam, Latin America and the Middle East. Your patriotic ramblings mean absolutely nothing to anyone who wasn't brainwashed from birth to close their eyes and sing "oh say can you see".
Those involved in Abu Ghraib should be given 20 year sentences if the United States cared about its reputation.
@ahmed337799 I prefer to look at the situation objectively. I would do that same if they were your people, rather that wallow in ignorance. Vietnam the communists should have never tried to over run that country, thanks to the Chinese backing them. When the Japanese slaughtered them by the thousands we stood up and said No in the Un and for that The Japanese made a sneak attack on us for defending what was right. Then when we tried to same that region from being a entire rogue
@ahmed337799 rogue nation the Chinese flooded over the border and now we have the fucked up country of north Korea, but you don;t think in those terms and probably cried when Kim Sung Ill and Saddam died. You are perfect example of why you have the problems that you have. Between your people and the Jews, bot sons and daughters of Aberham you fight and fight over about 5 acres of rock. You lash out without reason over there. If we didn't try to stabilize the region over there
@ahmed337799 you sects fight like animals among your sects over there at least when we are they you do unite yourselves and take you mind off the Jews. We are to a mind soon if you don't quit to jest let you blow your own asses up. I noticed in your entire statement, you conveniently forget to mention your people asked us over there in the first place. Why, because you knew damn well your little counties couldn't push Saddam out of Kawaite. A little late to complain now.
@ahmed337799 Speaking of brainwashing your very religion dictates to you to hate the outsiders so if you a true Muslim you should hate all the other religions and behead us. Fortunately most of the world is civilized and come to the conclusion not to act on our religions past and act within out better natures. However your people are the only race that using suicide bombing. A lot of your people don't give a fuck who they kill. Hey I don't agree with what was done, but
@ahmed337799 they were embarrassed and humiliated. With the way your reaction is so racist and bigoted I should say, "So the fuck what we had just had the WTC knocked down with people of every country in it, not just ours, and your people were humiliated at least they are fucking alive to talk about". Are the people you kidnapped and behead, No! Here is your problem the war is over and we can forgive and forget and think it through rationally the degree of guilt of both parties.
@ahmed337799 Apparently that is an Arab problem proven by your quarrel thousands of years with the Jews. When you drop that then and only then will you be in a position to point fingers. Enough is enough already. Maybe we should move you dome and blow the peace of shit rock straight back to hell if your two people can't act civilized over it. We wanted to back the Palestinians & get them their state, but they embraced that greedy fucker Arafat who was the father of wheres my check?.
@ahmed337799 He kept collecting money and not funneling it back to the people. We couldn't trust him to give support over there where it was needed, because he would go the way of terrorism, because it was a good economy for him. Now with that bastard dead, now we can get to doing what is right for both without radical interference. I see you have an interest in Gadafi, you can thank us once again that he id dead. You sure pick some crazy fuckers to lead you over there.
@ahmed337799 Then bitch at us when we are asked to clean up your messes. Well I'll leave you to your grief over the death of Saddam, Gadfi, and Osama oh and Kim Sung Ill. You have a lot of neighbors that you in the middle of and some not so friendly. Your country is a source of human trafficking. On day when you have a dispute with the French. If you want our help if you feel that way. All I can say is learn to speak french. We are no longer willing to aid the ungrateful.
@ahmed337799 No Atheists are in essence miscible people that are angry that they were even born so that bitch and whine about it and wallow into so that everyone else wallows in it with them. The only time you see happiness on their face it is seen a smug look they get when they convince others that all religion as bad, rather than stand back measure the issue and realize that it isn't the religion per say that is bad, it's the way the majority practices it.
@ahmed337799 The 4 most popular religions have all practices their evils, but it was because the people were evil. Religion benignly practices can be a good thing, when it is the seeking to better ones self and to strengthen ties with our brothers and sisters. When it''s used to conduct a crusades and behead people then that can shove it up their asses. Most all the religions talk and speak of the same God. Your little pissing contest with the Jews is an example of people using
@ahmed337799 religion is as fucked up way.This is a lot of the reason we look at a lot of the Arab community as barbaric you carry every thing to extremes. If you feel your are wrong you'll go to the ends of the Earth to destroy yourselves just to destroy those you feel wronged you. Yet on the other side of the coin if we genuinely had wronged you an apologize to your face you are likely to defend us with your lives. It might by why I prefer your kurdish over the other sects.
@ahmed337799 I do know that all of the religions today are stolen from previous civilizations. The only true way to practice benignly is follow the true message of what the prophets taught and be suspect of it if it conflicts with a heighten sense of morality. By that I mean no matter what country a man resides in he is you bothers and sisters and no matter how much rage you feel, you treat them as you expect to be treated.
@ahmed337799 By that I mean you don't condemn people unconditional with first full knowing all the facts. The way you want the world is emotional. You feel you were wronged, hang every involved, because you feel they're not your people. You don't care the degree of fault or the circumstances. Just as long as you get your revenge.. In thinking head you would condemn a man that stole a loaf of bread that was staving with the equality of a man that stole the bread from a orphans lips.
@ahmed337799 You don't gave a shit of the facts, you just want your lynching. We are different that that, we try to take the time to weigh all the facts and degrees and know damn well why it happened so that it is no repeated. You way, you learn nothing and you repeat that past and make the same mistakes.We give the same doubt, even they are your people. If you fail to do that, you end up with conflict like you have with the Jews, your own bothers and sisters by blood.
@ahmed337799 I can see where you asked the question though. Speaking if brain washed, we don't carry religion to fanaticism as easily as Islam. We just name our children after prophets and condition them the hate all outsiders. If we did my name would be Jesus and yours Adiba.
What planet do you live on? You have all the facts so twisted it's hard to believe you have such a good command of the English language. The Arab Israeli conflict has nothing to do with Islam, it has something to do with the Jews colonizing Palestinian land to recreate their biblical kingdom.
@ahmed337799 I have excellent grasp of reality enough not to weigh out your side of the story vs. what the Jews have to say. The Arabs let the Jews settle in that region as a promotion to peace which fits well into the Islam you like to portray. Once they made a go of it it and made it fertile then you want it back. It's odd all you neighbors have all this extra land yet, they won't give some to allow Palestine to grow and become a nation, no they have to have the land the Jews
@ahmed337799 own instead. No other land will do, because every one wants those rocks. Like I say that dome should be moved out of the way and those rocks & blown to bits, if you 2 peoples can't grow up in that region & play with your toys nicely. If you think it has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps you need to work on discerning motivations in that area as well. Any ways you get my point. You shouldn't point fingers, when you have so much to cleanse of your own dirty history.
@ahmed337799 Any good real estate salesman will tell you, "It's all about location". And that is exactly what you war is about you can not solve over thousands of years. It it wasn't the other Arab nations would have all offered a portion of land to the Palestinians and they would have been happy, instead of take the line that it will be over when the Jews are pushed into the sea.
@ahmed337799 For the record if the French ever did push you from your land, we have room here. We have many people from many countries. Would you say the same if Canada pushed us out. I think not.
@ahmed337799 I've no need to say anything further. I've noticed you didn't refute anything I said further. So I'll take your silence as an indication I hit home with you and there is a lot of truth in each thing I had said. My point has been made though & that is to think and reason before you cast faulty judgement. That has been a majority of your people's down fall for many years. My second point was also made and that a man that lives in a glass house shouldn't be casting stones
@ahmed337799 As long as I know your from another country I would like to ask you a question related to research I'm doing here. Is homosexual marriage legal in your country. And also I would like to know if you practice homosexuality, or just occasionally look at photos of naked men?
@ahmed337799 The facts needed no twisting, you were guilty of a a rush to judgement that was very clear and apparent. My last statement yes, that was to piss you off. You don't tell other people to shut up when you can't handle the truth. It's a sign of backwardness and immaturity. I thought you might enjoy a demonstration of your own ill behavior. However I am doing I am fact finding what people think of homosexuality.
@ahmed337799 Though I did insinuate you were homosexual all kidding aside it is a valid question at tom if it is legal there and excepted practice. I don't in reality believe you are gay, because likely neither sex would put up with you long enough. For the record I am very against it becoming main stream. For the the record I like the Arab people, I however find your judgement tainted toward others outside your race and generally annoying, but other than that probably a nice guy.
@ahmed337799 You likely smell a bit, but than I'm not there to suffer it, Oh and I;m not referring that all Arabs smell either, just you in general. Probably an Earthy Peat Moss Aroma if I were to guess, with maybe a touch of Lilac thrown in to soften the offense to the olfactory senses.
@ahmed337799 The Stanford prison experiment was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted from August 14–20, 1971 by a team of researchers led by psychology professor Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University.It was funded by a grant from the US Office of Naval Research and was of interest to both the US Navy and Marine Corps in order to determine the causes of conflict between military guards and prisoners.
@ahmed337799 Twelve students were selected out of 75 to play the prisoners and live in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building. Another twelve of the same 75 were selected to play the Guards. Roles were assigned randomly to the 24 men. The participants adapted to their roles well beyond what even Zimbardo himself expected, leading the officers to display authoritarian measures and ultimately to subject some of the prisoners to torture.
@ahmed337799 In turn, many of the prisoners developed passive attitudes and accepted physical abuse, and, at the request of the guards, readily inflicted punishment on other prisoners who attempted to stop it. The experiment even affected Zimbardo himself, who, in his capacity as Prison Superintendent, lost sight of his role as psychologist and permitted the abuse to continue as though it were a real prison.
@ahmed337799 Five of the prisoners were upset enough by the process to quit the experiment early, and the entire experiment was abruptly stopped after only six days. The experimental process and the results remain controversial. The entire experiment was filmed, with excerpts made publicly available. The Cia was keenly aware of this for quite some time. Bush and Cheney are for all intents and purposes as close as you can get to war criminals.
@ahmed337799 The only two reasons we took on Bush in the first place was to finish the his father's war in Iraq and 911 gave him him the perfect excuse to do it. Dick Cheney and the Secretary of the Navy also have invested interests over there that had made them money while the war machine was going. That was all well and fine, but Bush, became disinterested in Osama and wished to fuel popularity for the war.
@ahmed337799 This is why we never pursued going after Osama during his two terms. If Osama was dead Bush would lose momentum to keep the war going in Iraq. If you'll notice that each time the war lost momentum publication of the anthrax virus became more prevalent and other fear oriented things to keep the warts popularity up there. When at the lowest point Bush badly needed a reason to keep our troops over there. Well then came the Daniel Pearl beheading and an a noticeable cont.
@ahmed337799 noticeable increase in popularity for the war.Well he needed more and the CiA gave it to him as well as military Black Ops. We know this is so, because the CIA was called out on the carpet in congress during hearing available to the public and admonished by the one Senator that had a son in the military. It is not our military position before and until and after bushes term, to violate the Geneva Conventions' rule of ethics toward the treatment of prisoners.
@ahmed337799 It's mainly adhered to, to avoid the mistreatment of our prisoners. You'll find the United States until the Patriot Act and Bushes term in office has the best record for humanly taking care of POW's. Bush and the Cia deliberately ruined that record.If you look at the photographs for yourself there are thousands of photos, not just a few rolls. I'll tell you why using yourself as an example. I'm sure you understand the concept of humor and something is only funny so long
@ahmed337799 If I place you in the roll of guard with little training on how to treat prisoners and do the same with the rest. If memory serves there were only 12 soldiers for the whole compound you get an environment like that of Standford and the CIA knew damn well what they were doing.You take you as the guard, your back ground is average education and from a hill billy region you are not intelligent enough to know specifically everything to do to most offend an Arab.
@ahmed337799 They had help and influence from the outside rather forced by having their families safety threatened, or just simply caught up into these heinous acts like the Stanford experiment they were under duress at the time. We know this, because understanding human nature if we thinking something is funny it dies out after time time. someone farts we have a laugh or two and than it becomes no longer humorous. Knowing that if we found humor in that suffering we take a few pics.
@ahmed337799 Show them off and that's the end of it, but know there was hundreds in not thousands taken.As we both know a joke is only funny the first few times, not hundreds upon thousands repeated over and over.In many of the photos you'll see many boots in the photos greater than the number of soldier's present at anyone time. Those belonged to Military Black Ops I'm sure, Translators, and CiA for sure, because none of those common soldier's knew Aramaic to any great degree.
@ahmed337799 They simply weren't educated enough. That was a CIA program we know this because of their being called before congress and essentially hiding behind Bush's cloak of secrecy never were punishes for setting and keeping that horrific act in motion. The Cia knows how to get away with things they never would allow thousands of photos, or any evidence in that great degree unless they wanted simply soldier's to take the fall for it. I'm not saying those soldier's were blameles
@ahmed337799 blameless in all that, but they were victims cruelly used by the CIA, to conduct an operation to increase the war's popularity, while the true criminals likely Cheney and the Cia went unpunished, the soldier's were only following orders. Saying they should be reward, no, but they should be compensated and the real criminals brought to trial over that matter. Rewarding them for their coerced participation, nor punishing them further is out of the question.
@ahmed337799 However they should be awarded damages for their prison time and being used in such a way. The reason for doing what the CIA did was to save bush's war, because right after the beheading started.and opinion changed for the war. People started think, "Oh those dirty Dogs and animals they are beheading like savages" A lot of people feel for it, and remember the Arabs that beheaded fell for it too and are just as guilty as all involved. Thats why and how it happened.
OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS BURIED IN CHINA IN 2001. HIS BODY IS NOT AT SEA WHICH IS JUST A ‘MAN IN THE MIDDLE PSY-OP’ TO INCITE MOSLEM HATRED OF THE WEST READY FOR THE BLOODY HOLY WAR THE VATICAN AND KING JUAN CARLOS OF SPAIN CRAVE FOR IN ORDER TO REVIVE THEIR BABYLON.
obaidkarki 2 weeks ago
@obaidkarki Something i totally agree with you ! FOR THE FIRST TIME !
BrotherYusufable 2 weeks ago
I never believed the White House claims. Bin Laden was already dead. There is also a possibility that the helicopter was ordered to fly low enough to be shot down. Set up.
popcur 2 weeks ago
@popcur Someone was shot, based on Hillery's reaction. I'm not sure if Obama would have been dumb enough not to take him in to custody and not let him off easy, or not. Personally I think we should have set him afire. I also thyink that Bush & Cheney should still be held responsible for War Crimes and Jeb Bush and other's for election fraud, and the Cia held accountable for Abu-Graib and the soldier''s reimbursed for the time they served in prison..
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@TheDogWhipperShow
Yeah those poor soldiers, all they did was torture humiliate and murder Iraqi prisoners. They should definitely be compensated and given medals for their Americanism.
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Well since you are undoubtedly unaware of this countries history I'll forgive your sarcasm. You yourself sound like the type that would have been tricked by the CIA's ploy. Let me educate you you a bit of our college history and the art of manipulation. First off there is an experiment that took place at Standford in the 70s that is illegal to recreate on any college campus in the united states. I'm referring to The Stanford prison experiment.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@TheDogWhipperShow
sarcasm? are you f kidding me? all those war crimes in vietnam mean nothing to you? im not saying only americans are capable of torture, but what sickens me is that you praise those who commit it and refuse to jail them.
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I said, I understood what took place,ot that I condoned it. Point out to me where I praised them for what they did? They went to prison for crimes that were orchestrated by others. They received very harsh sentences for some they were likely forced, or coerced to do. You are talking about a group of hillbillies that some how gained knowledge beyond them as what is the best ways to systematically embarrass and humiliate Muslims.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Let me ask you this, if you were put in a situation far from home and someone tells you to do something you know is morally wrong, but if you do not comply it is said that you family is likely to come to harm would you do it? Yes, short of murder The facts that fit the case is that the Cia Motivated them to to do those acts, and they went free, the fact remains the men that really were responsible went unpunished and the soldiers took the whole brunt of it.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I in no way praised them for their participation, but knowing the circumstances that received way harsher of punishment than they deserved, because they were were less than willing participants in that operation. The men that set the plan in motion were never arrested, or charged. Those soldier deserve compensation for half of their sentences and the those that set the plan in motion need to be arrested and brought to justice for creating the crime in the first place.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
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Explain to me why the Hell would the CIA intentionally demonize America by making soldiers commit torture and then making it public?
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I just did before you even asked.Simply put these were simply undereducated weekend warrior soldiers, not trained to guard prisoners and had to guidelines, much as in the way of The Standford Experiment that went wrong. The cia was well away of that experiment and it's illegality to ever repeat again. They set the soldiers up into a situation to where they could foster the same type situation as happened in Stanford. Once the inevitable began to happen...
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Once the inevitable started happened they stepped in and encouraged the mistreatments and told them how to more effectively do it and encouraged tons of photos, not just a few of laughs, I'm saying tons. They knew eventually what was going on would come to light and the soldiers would be the patsies to take the full blame. Those that didn't want to play ball I;m sure were pulled aside and reminded that they were far from home and that they had family back there.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Finally what happened finally happened a soldier came forward and then congress found out and it made news. The government rather than fully investigating all what happened, brought the Cia in before the senate and when it was clear they were going to hide behind Bushs newly designed cloak of secrecy stopped trying to hold the cia accountable. They had to punish someone to make the Muslims happy, so instead of punishing all involved the full brunt went to the soldiers
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 That made most Muslims sort of happy that, but it served another effect. It pissed the Muslims off so then the Terrorists starting beheading Americans. That is exactly what Bush needed to bring the wars popularity back up off the matt and get people behind it again. Because when most Americans seen that they thought damn what animals and supported the war with vigor, rather than taking the time to really study what happened to piss them off as much as they did.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 A lot of people that counted fell for that trick and so did a lot of peaceful Arabs & some not so peaceful terrorists. There was no reason to take thousands of photos other than asking to be caught & that's what happened. There needs to be an investigation reopened regarding that. That will never happen, because must vice presidents fade into the back ground after their term, but Cheney wouldn't shut up till he was sure Obama wouldn't have him charged with war crimes.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Before Bush left office he railroaded legislation protecting him and his members of his cabinet from war crimes. They knew what they were doing and how to do it and get away with it. In short the Cia, and the Government during that period either by manipulation, or coercion created Abu Graib for a purpose and got away with it.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 It's sad to, because up until that point, during most wars people generally surrender, because our treatmernt of prisoners some times offers more freedom than their every day lives. Is that clearer to you now?
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 watch?v=Z7S8Z-H6dRQ <- you should maybe watch this to help you understand how it was set in motion.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Oh for the record the CIA didn't demonize the American people by their actions. They did put a blot on our military, because any right minded person outside of those circumstances would not have committed those acts.Our Cia is generally a force for out protection, but under Home Land Security devised by the Bush administration it becomes only as moral as the president in charge. We had 42 presidents up to that point that reflected our morality.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 That is a good record a handful of them we could debate about, but for the most part it was best said, by Winston Churchill, When all other possibilities are exhausted sooner, or later America gets around to doing the right thing". It is hard to say which Bush was, more morally bankrupt, or just a plain idiot that wasn't qualified to be president. He basically stole the 1st election from Gore & we did elect him I think hoping tio fix Iraq, but not in the fashion he did.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Then 911 happened and we don't like to switch leaders in the middle of a war, matter a fact two wars. We didn't realize he was such a war monger under after his second term. We did know this was a warring president, but after 911 we were convinced at the time that he was aggressive he would have set Osama on fire in a public square to set Justice right. We are well aware of what he did and how clueless he was.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 He is reponsible for thousands of our soldiers deaths and a million Arabs needless slaughter. He was so clueless and so hated he thought he could grab a last bit of glory for freeing Iraq from Saddam. Instead he didn't realize that when you have nearly ever family have a death do to his war that they were pissed..When that man threw that shoe, how I wished he would have owned a shoe store. Our country has supported nearly every other country in some way for a long time.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 We've done more good in the world than evil in our short few hundred years. People from other countries are quick to forget that when a nation has been on top for so long. As a people we took on Obama to return back to the old ways of peace, but we have to many other ungrateful countries trying to collapse us economically. When we suffer the rest of the world does as well. So out prosperity is yours as as well, so when other nations wish us to falter and bad tidings..
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Those that participated in the man slaughter now that is different, involuntary manslaughter is 5 years. If you can point out where I praised them I'll give you all the money in my wallet. The Cia used them badly & also tricked many normal Muslims into becoming jihadists, lured the true terrorists into their clever trap. Bush is gone now & hopefully we will never have such a tragic president ever again In the future ask, instead of put words in my mouth I did not say.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 In the long run they are only harming themselves. If and once we do the right thing and become as prosperous as before we will remember every nation we assisted in the past and then we needed help turned their backs. When they come with a hand out except for humanitarian aid we won't give them the time of day. I'd like you to view this video entitles, "USA for Africa - We are the World" count how many people are not American in the video offering their helping hands.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 That video sums up more of what we are about than of Cia and a few soldier's run a muck under one failed president out of over 40 good ones.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@TheDogWhipperShow
Sorry, the United States was always an evil empire, like all other empires, guilty of mass murder in Vietnam, Latin America and the Middle East. Your patriotic ramblings mean absolutely nothing to anyone who wasn't brainwashed from birth to close their eyes and sing "oh say can you see".
Those involved in Abu Ghraib should be given 20 year sentences if the United States cared about its reputation.
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I prefer to look at the situation objectively. I would do that same if they were your people, rather that wallow in ignorance. Vietnam the communists should have never tried to over run that country, thanks to the Chinese backing them. When the Japanese slaughtered them by the thousands we stood up and said No in the Un and for that The Japanese made a sneak attack on us for defending what was right. Then when we tried to same that region from being a entire rogue
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 rogue nation the Chinese flooded over the border and now we have the fucked up country of north Korea, but you don;t think in those terms and probably cried when Kim Sung Ill and Saddam died. You are perfect example of why you have the problems that you have. Between your people and the Jews, bot sons and daughters of Aberham you fight and fight over about 5 acres of rock. You lash out without reason over there. If we didn't try to stabilize the region over there
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 you sects fight like animals among your sects over there at least when we are they you do unite yourselves and take you mind off the Jews. We are to a mind soon if you don't quit to jest let you blow your own asses up. I noticed in your entire statement, you conveniently forget to mention your people asked us over there in the first place. Why, because you knew damn well your little counties couldn't push Saddam out of Kawaite. A little late to complain now.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Speaking of brainwashing your very religion dictates to you to hate the outsiders so if you a true Muslim you should hate all the other religions and behead us. Fortunately most of the world is civilized and come to the conclusion not to act on our religions past and act within out better natures. However your people are the only race that using suicide bombing. A lot of your people don't give a fuck who they kill. Hey I don't agree with what was done, but
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 they were embarrassed and humiliated. With the way your reaction is so racist and bigoted I should say, "So the fuck what we had just had the WTC knocked down with people of every country in it, not just ours, and your people were humiliated at least they are fucking alive to talk about". Are the people you kidnapped and behead, No! Here is your problem the war is over and we can forgive and forget and think it through rationally the degree of guilt of both parties.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Apparently that is an Arab problem proven by your quarrel thousands of years with the Jews. When you drop that then and only then will you be in a position to point fingers. Enough is enough already. Maybe we should move you dome and blow the peace of shit rock straight back to hell if your two people can't act civilized over it. We wanted to back the Palestinians & get them their state, but they embraced that greedy fucker Arafat who was the father of wheres my check?.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 He kept collecting money and not funneling it back to the people. We couldn't trust him to give support over there where it was needed, because he would go the way of terrorism, because it was a good economy for him. Now with that bastard dead, now we can get to doing what is right for both without radical interference. I see you have an interest in Gadafi, you can thank us once again that he id dead. You sure pick some crazy fuckers to lead you over there.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Then bitch at us when we are asked to clean up your messes. Well I'll leave you to your grief over the death of Saddam, Gadfi, and Osama oh and Kim Sung Ill. You have a lot of neighbors that you in the middle of and some not so friendly. Your country is a source of human trafficking. On day when you have a dispute with the French. If you want our help if you feel that way. All I can say is learn to speak french. We are no longer willing to aid the ungrateful.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@TheDogWhipperShow
Are you related by any chance to Christopher Hitchens?
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 No Atheists are in essence miscible people that are angry that they were even born so that bitch and whine about it and wallow into so that everyone else wallows in it with them. The only time you see happiness on their face it is seen a smug look they get when they convince others that all religion as bad, rather than stand back measure the issue and realize that it isn't the religion per say that is bad, it's the way the majority practices it.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 The 4 most popular religions have all practices their evils, but it was because the people were evil. Religion benignly practices can be a good thing, when it is the seeking to better ones self and to strengthen ties with our brothers and sisters. When it''s used to conduct a crusades and behead people then that can shove it up their asses. Most all the religions talk and speak of the same God. Your little pissing contest with the Jews is an example of people using
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 religion is as fucked up way.This is a lot of the reason we look at a lot of the Arab community as barbaric you carry every thing to extremes. If you feel your are wrong you'll go to the ends of the Earth to destroy yourselves just to destroy those you feel wronged you. Yet on the other side of the coin if we genuinely had wronged you an apologize to your face you are likely to defend us with your lives. It might by why I prefer your kurdish over the other sects.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I do know that all of the religions today are stolen from previous civilizations. The only true way to practice benignly is follow the true message of what the prophets taught and be suspect of it if it conflicts with a heighten sense of morality. By that I mean no matter what country a man resides in he is you bothers and sisters and no matter how much rage you feel, you treat them as you expect to be treated.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 By that I mean you don't condemn people unconditional with first full knowing all the facts. The way you want the world is emotional. You feel you were wronged, hang every involved, because you feel they're not your people. You don't care the degree of fault or the circumstances. Just as long as you get your revenge.. In thinking head you would condemn a man that stole a loaf of bread that was staving with the equality of a man that stole the bread from a orphans lips.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 You don't gave a shit of the facts, you just want your lynching. We are different that that, we try to take the time to weigh all the facts and degrees and know damn well why it happened so that it is no repeated. You way, you learn nothing and you repeat that past and make the same mistakes.We give the same doubt, even they are your people. If you fail to do that, you end up with conflict like you have with the Jews, your own bothers and sisters by blood.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I can see where you asked the question though. Speaking if brain washed, we don't carry religion to fanaticism as easily as Islam. We just name our children after prophets and condition them the hate all outsiders. If we did my name would be Jesus and yours Adiba.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
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@TheDogWhipperShow
What planet do you live on? You have all the facts so twisted it's hard to believe you have such a good command of the English language. The Arab Israeli conflict has nothing to do with Islam, it has something to do with the Jews colonizing Palestinian land to recreate their biblical kingdom.
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 I have excellent grasp of reality enough not to weigh out your side of the story vs. what the Jews have to say. The Arabs let the Jews settle in that region as a promotion to peace which fits well into the Islam you like to portray. Once they made a go of it it and made it fertile then you want it back. It's odd all you neighbors have all this extra land yet, they won't give some to allow Palestine to grow and become a nation, no they have to have the land the Jews
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
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@ahmed337799 own instead. No other land will do, because every one wants those rocks. Like I say that dome should be moved out of the way and those rocks & blown to bits, if you 2 peoples can't grow up in that region & play with your toys nicely. If you think it has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps you need to work on discerning motivations in that area as well. Any ways you get my point. You shouldn't point fingers, when you have so much to cleanse of your own dirty history.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Any good real estate salesman will tell you, "It's all about location". And that is exactly what you war is about you can not solve over thousands of years. It it wasn't the other Arab nations would have all offered a portion of land to the Palestinians and they would have been happy, instead of take the line that it will be over when the Jews are pushed into the sea.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 For the record if the French ever did push you from your land, we have room here. We have many people from many countries. Would you say the same if Canada pushed us out. I think not.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@TheDogWhipperShow
shut up already..
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
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@ahmed337799 I've no need to say anything further. I've noticed you didn't refute anything I said further. So I'll take your silence as an indication I hit home with you and there is a lot of truth in each thing I had said. My point has been made though & that is to think and reason before you cast faulty judgement. That has been a majority of your people's down fall for many years. My second point was also made and that a man that lives in a glass house shouldn't be casting stones
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 As long as I know your from another country I would like to ask you a question related to research I'm doing here. Is homosexual marriage legal in your country. And also I would like to know if you practice homosexuality, or just occasionally look at photos of naked men?
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@TheDogWhipperShow it seems to me you're purposely twisting facts just to tick me off.
ahmed337799 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 The facts needed no twisting, you were guilty of a a rush to judgement that was very clear and apparent. My last statement yes, that was to piss you off. You don't tell other people to shut up when you can't handle the truth. It's a sign of backwardness and immaturity. I thought you might enjoy a demonstration of your own ill behavior. However I am doing I am fact finding what people think of homosexuality.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Though I did insinuate you were homosexual all kidding aside it is a valid question at tom if it is legal there and excepted practice. I don't in reality believe you are gay, because likely neither sex would put up with you long enough. For the record I am very against it becoming main stream. For the the record I like the Arab people, I however find your judgement tainted toward others outside your race and generally annoying, but other than that probably a nice guy.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 You likely smell a bit, but than I'm not there to suffer it, Oh and I;m not referring that all Arabs smell either, just you in general. Probably an Earthy Peat Moss Aroma if I were to guess, with maybe a touch of Lilac thrown in to soften the offense to the olfactory senses.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 The Stanford prison experiment was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted from August 14–20, 1971 by a team of researchers led by psychology professor Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University.It was funded by a grant from the US Office of Naval Research and was of interest to both the US Navy and Marine Corps in order to determine the causes of conflict between military guards and prisoners.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Twelve students were selected out of 75 to play the prisoners and live in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building. Another twelve of the same 75 were selected to play the Guards. Roles were assigned randomly to the 24 men. The participants adapted to their roles well beyond what even Zimbardo himself expected, leading the officers to display authoritarian measures and ultimately to subject some of the prisoners to torture.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 In turn, many of the prisoners developed passive attitudes and accepted physical abuse, and, at the request of the guards, readily inflicted punishment on other prisoners who attempted to stop it. The experiment even affected Zimbardo himself, who, in his capacity as Prison Superintendent, lost sight of his role as psychologist and permitted the abuse to continue as though it were a real prison.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Five of the prisoners were upset enough by the process to quit the experiment early, and the entire experiment was abruptly stopped after only six days. The experimental process and the results remain controversial. The entire experiment was filmed, with excerpts made publicly available. The Cia was keenly aware of this for quite some time. Bush and Cheney are for all intents and purposes as close as you can get to war criminals.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 The only two reasons we took on Bush in the first place was to finish the his father's war in Iraq and 911 gave him him the perfect excuse to do it. Dick Cheney and the Secretary of the Navy also have invested interests over there that had made them money while the war machine was going. That was all well and fine, but Bush, became disinterested in Osama and wished to fuel popularity for the war.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 This is why we never pursued going after Osama during his two terms. If Osama was dead Bush would lose momentum to keep the war going in Iraq. If you'll notice that each time the war lost momentum publication of the anthrax virus became more prevalent and other fear oriented things to keep the warts popularity up there. When at the lowest point Bush badly needed a reason to keep our troops over there. Well then came the Daniel Pearl beheading and an a noticeable cont.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 noticeable increase in popularity for the war.Well he needed more and the CiA gave it to him as well as military Black Ops. We know this is so, because the CIA was called out on the carpet in congress during hearing available to the public and admonished by the one Senator that had a son in the military. It is not our military position before and until and after bushes term, to violate the Geneva Conventions' rule of ethics toward the treatment of prisoners.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 It's mainly adhered to, to avoid the mistreatment of our prisoners. You'll find the United States until the Patriot Act and Bushes term in office has the best record for humanly taking care of POW's. Bush and the Cia deliberately ruined that record.If you look at the photographs for yourself there are thousands of photos, not just a few rolls. I'll tell you why using yourself as an example. I'm sure you understand the concept of humor and something is only funny so long
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 If I place you in the roll of guard with little training on how to treat prisoners and do the same with the rest. If memory serves there were only 12 soldiers for the whole compound you get an environment like that of Standford and the CIA knew damn well what they were doing.You take you as the guard, your back ground is average education and from a hill billy region you are not intelligent enough to know specifically everything to do to most offend an Arab.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 They had help and influence from the outside rather forced by having their families safety threatened, or just simply caught up into these heinous acts like the Stanford experiment they were under duress at the time. We know this, because understanding human nature if we thinking something is funny it dies out after time time. someone farts we have a laugh or two and than it becomes no longer humorous. Knowing that if we found humor in that suffering we take a few pics.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 Show them off and that's the end of it, but know there was hundreds in not thousands taken.As we both know a joke is only funny the first few times, not hundreds upon thousands repeated over and over.In many of the photos you'll see many boots in the photos greater than the number of soldier's present at anyone time. Those belonged to Military Black Ops I'm sure, Translators, and CiA for sure, because none of those common soldier's knew Aramaic to any great degree.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 They simply weren't educated enough. That was a CIA program we know this because of their being called before congress and essentially hiding behind Bush's cloak of secrecy never were punishes for setting and keeping that horrific act in motion. The Cia knows how to get away with things they never would allow thousands of photos, or any evidence in that great degree unless they wanted simply soldier's to take the fall for it. I'm not saying those soldier's were blameles
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 blameless in all that, but they were victims cruelly used by the CIA, to conduct an operation to increase the war's popularity, while the true criminals likely Cheney and the Cia went unpunished, the soldier's were only following orders. Saying they should be reward, no, but they should be compensated and the real criminals brought to trial over that matter. Rewarding them for their coerced participation, nor punishing them further is out of the question.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
@ahmed337799 However they should be awarded damages for their prison time and being used in such a way. The reason for doing what the CIA did was to save bush's war, because right after the beheading started.and opinion changed for the war. People started think, "Oh those dirty Dogs and animals they are beheading like savages" A lot of people feel for it, and remember the Arabs that beheaded fell for it too and are just as guilty as all involved. Thats why and how it happened.
TheDogWhipperShow 2 weeks ago
why would they hoax the death of Ben Laden? why not just report that he is dead at the time of his death?
fudgedogbannana 3 weeks ago
@fudgedogbannana
mebe he died of natural causes and they didn't want that to get out because it wouldn't give the u.s public the satisfaction of avenging 9/11.
ahmed337799 3 weeks ago
The whole team did not fit in one helicopter.
I think this guy got too close to too many IEDs.
leftysergeant 3 weeks ago
@leftysergeant they were apparently packed in there. Seriously.
thejoolien 2 weeks ago
Hi , video audio was not clear , who is this guy talking ?
jchogke 3 weeks ago
@jchogke read description, he's an ex-navy seal.
m20310378 3 weeks ago