Excerpt from the Interview with Rupert Spira, Science and Nonduality Anthology DVD

[TEARDUCTER]

I never thought I was the ego however more over it felt like the ego was attempting to take control. I honestly feel screwed up and not part of this world. Always felt like a stranger in the mist.

[MorphingMindSet]

That was an extremely beautiful, simplistic explanation of a life long ponderence. I have always called it, "the voice I have known since I was a child," because the essence of the voice had never changed, only the wisdom. Love and Gratitude from the very Best of Me!!!

[TEARDUCTER]

I don't get it :( So in a round about way nothing is looking for itself?

[TEARDUCTER]

If thoughts can't be chosen and if they come and go as they please then how do we carry a conversation through without it all becoming totally disjointed? I was under the impression that we had to think it before saying or doing a task

For example I thought I had to first think up what I was going to ask here

[AvionDream]

@TEARDUCTER - Consider this: When you are talking and speech is flowing from your mouth are you thinking about every word you are going to say and then saying it? No, speech is a much more spontaneous event than that, otherwise we would bore each other to death! i.e I am going to say "hello" and then Im going to say "my" and then Im going to say "name" and then Im going to say "is".....you get the picture.

[TEARDUCTER]

@AvionDream yes I get the picture re conversation getting boring eg hello- how are you ? we are good so all is good end of conversation type of thing. So while it is correct that maybe we don't always think of common words because like much in life through habit it becomes automated after a time. However, like now for example I have to pause to think how to put what I know across to you just as the speaker does here and if he or I are not thinking of how to put our viewpoint across then

[TEARDUCTER]

@TEARDUCTER what is it that we are doing?

[AvionDream]

@TEARDUCTER - You do not need to think in order to speak, you may premeditatively omit certain thoughts before talking to certain people, but if you are just involved in rapid-fire exchanges with friends you will notice this is true.

[TEARDUCTER]

@AvionDream If we did not chose thoughts before we spoke then how do you suppose one could maintain the subject we are on? Would the subject not become inappropriate to the conversation we are having?

[eaglerock999]

@TEARDUCTER some thoughts come up on their own when not in conversation,you have to ask yourself come up from where? Consciousness or Being ,Self.

You are Being, the mysterious substratum of your IMAGINARY self.

Once you realise the mind made sense of self is unreal, because it is constantly changing,then Being becomes aware of itSelf, Self realisation. its always here, you are That.

It produces a feeling of peace and happiness, contentment.

but what it is, remains a mystery.

[TEARDUCTER]

@eaglerock999 I think I know what you mean however it is extremely difficult for me to be this way in a 3d world unless I was in constant meditation. Thank you for explaining

[eaglerock999]

@TEARDUCTER Its very difficult for the mind/ego to be told it is not real,that is to be expected, you have to use a thorn to remove a thorn, once you have done that then you throw both thorns away.

You will suddenly realise the mind made sense of self, the"me" we all think we are is NOT who we are.

So you use the mind as a thorn to remove the idea that is "ego"( the thorn who believes it is who we are).

This has come about by conditioning,the lifes experience,thats all it is.

Memories.

[TEARDUCTER]

@eaglerock999 Want to hear something really crazy? I feel more awake when in deep sleep and I am aware of what is going on and I hope you are not meaning I am egotistical because I believe my ego has been knocked down from life's experiences and I see it as a good thing because it needed to be put into its place :)

[eaglerock999]

@TEARDUCTER If you feel aware whilst in deep sleep then there is nothing more to do,not that you did anything anyway.......there is no you.

Thing is, are you aware whilst in waking state and dream state?

Nothing wrong in ego,whats wrong is believing we ARE the ego.

[eaglerock999]

@TEARDUCTER continued,every time you wake up,you have to remember who you are! but it happens so quickly you are not normally aware of it,there is a moment of pure consciousness when you dont know anything,except you are are awake,conscious.

That is who you are ,consciousness.

So you have to be aware that behind the idea of ego, is consciousness,like the wave on the Ocean,the wave cannot exist without Ocean, and is "unreal" it appears,then gone, but the Ocean continues to exist .

[TEARDUCTER]

One Question

If life's blueprint has already been established and if the same one path has just as much worth and meaning being without the labels of right or wrong why do we feel the need to explain the unexplainable? Is it because we are trying to hurry it along not allowing it to unfold as it want without us talking about it?

Do Not Force

Anything (Haiku)

Do not control life

Not forcing a single bud

Nature opens blooms

[BesACB]

This seems to me an excellent rewording of Ramana Maharshi's atma-vichara.

[nowbellhere]

To kasuskasus: Very interesting subject matter. Some may ask how can consciousness arise out of pure nothing. There has to be a potentiality in the absolute. I say it has to be what could be called stillness of consciousness which is not being conscious at all but a state of pure rest of the absolute which contains no "awareness of" or "consciousness of" anything. It is simply a resting of the absolute. Something the mind can't know.

[zarglox]

@nowbellhere consciousness is the pure nothing, it never came out of nothing, nothing can come out of nothing

[kasuskasus]

Why do we need to cling to consciousness?

Consciousness appears and disappears like every other phenomenon. It depends on that which it is conscious OF. If there is nothing to be conscious OF, how can there be consciousness?

Reality is therefore not about "resting as pure Consciousness, or pure Awareness". Look deeper.

[nizigar]

Cristal clear! we are no thing!:-)