The Fall - New Face In Hell

[gomey70]

uh-oh, I'm in the Fall part if youtube again...

[KidCarlyle]

Those two begrudging faces can take their deserving fallen places down below. Fookers.

[moyadapne]

I knew the words back when, and now I wish I had the lyrics. It's a bugger getting old, coz the mental images wear. Still love it all but.

[BrenGunnn]

If Conduit For Sale! is a rip off, its enough to make any man fall in love with plagiarism. A wise man said " good artists copy, great artists steal", (later appropriated by another wise man).

[emile235]

@gubbbies everything MES says about the middle class is seen right there in Pavement and the way they screwed over The Fall

[devkin63]

Very thankful to have seen the band live several times in the 80's...Still have this record..A Classic

[TheEnchantingWizard1]

Kazoos!

[bikkieburp]

i so love this,when i was in my early tweties en constantly stoned i met a guy and he gave me this album and since then my life changed into no more escape into reality thing because the fall is pure...i love Marc,i sure love this band........

[LondonDada]

@bikkieburp " The Fall is pure"... you got it kid :-)

[unnyds]

very white light/white heat. fav velvet underground album.

[rockyhard1]

Also, keep crying about Malkmus making a decent song amazing, faggots

[studmuffin1592]

who's pavement??

[rockyhard1]

@studmuffin1592

>Knowing The Fall

>Not knowing Pavement

Fucking Hipster

[rebelVHS]

Is there anyone who still hasn't heard 'Cheap Space Chant' ?

In YouTube, search for 'Timekode, Mark E Smith'

and listen to the strangest and best MES/Fall

collaboration of them all...

[anodynelite]

I never thought I'd write a comment on here... but guyz. This song is itself a "rip off" of that VU song from White Light/White Heat about the guy mailing himself to his girlfriend and getting stabbed... musicians rip each other off, deal with it.

[galaxyfuzzband]

pavement r 2nd hand

[rossmcarthur1]

This sounds as much like Pavement (i.e. Conduit for Sale) as it does The Velvet Underground (What Goes On/ The Gift/ Sister Ray).

[pr0dd2k9]

@rossmcarthur1 This

[NewarkWilder]

I'm tryin'!

[pghjeff]

The Electric Banana and still Johnny and Judy couldn't get it right. Many drink specials but the locals swilled 40oz of IC light out front...Times were right for Chabon to steal the lives of others, but that's the literary game innit? Fair Play to his almost bisexuality and the home in the Hamptons. Ah the fair art-punks who were highpriests to nothing at all, except their own neurotic tendencies to project. Pittsburgh in the early 80's, welcome to everything ugly about the "Art Scene"

[pghjeff]

The Electric Banana and still Johnny and Judy couldn't get it right. Many drink specials but the locals swilled 40oz of IC light...Times were right for Chabon to still the lives of others, but the the literary game innit? Fair Play to his almost bisexuality and the home in the Hamptons. Ah the fair art-punks who were highpriests to nothing at all, except their own neurotic tendencies to project. Pittsburgh in the early 80's, welcome to everything ugly about the "Art Scene"

[MrCroco3000]

dont care what u say but only a dickhead would not like "some of the fall" madness

[doublebennis]

who cares if the song is similar in sound, pavement took the sound a step further by not being completely shit! i'd never seen the fall before and had high hopes when i saw them play at the meredith festival, after hearing much hype. to be honest the band sounded awesome ,tight as, but the lead singer is a complete wanker, and cant sing for shit. it was entertaining but not in any musical sense, more for the comical relief, of tryin to figure out just what the fuck the dude was saying...

[wi11ydapimp]

@doublebennis you absolute cunt

[Stuie1973]

@doublebennis i pity you

[waldojeffers2006]

The Fall craps bigger than Pavement

[StanPomeray]

well, you never can tell, you never can tell.....

[sloooshable]

any man [malkmus] who can rip this so divinely should be given the keys to the city.

[funforalgernon]

The two similarities between the songs -- the chugging rhythm of the opening riff, and the spoken-word vocal.

But that's it. The chords are completely different, song structure's entirely different, lyrics entirely unrelated.

Conclusion: much ado about very little.

[popkornchken]

@shogun96

Pavement was making obscure music for the underground punk fanzine culture and college radio that loved The Fall. They didn't expect to make a huge hit with Slanted. In other words you're completely wrong.

This is an obvious homage to The Fall so the "in" music crowd of the 90s could see they were cool. They weren't ripping off The Fall for a hit single

You complainers act like rock music is supposed to be 100% original. Nothing in rock and roll is original since the 50s.

[shogun96]

I think Pavement ripped it off in the days before the Internet, iTunes, and YouTube, thinking to themselves, "No one will ever be the wiser."

Well, now we're wiser. Thus, I hereby decree that Mark E. Smith pwn3th all over Stephen Malkmus.

So it is written. So it shall be. World without end. Amen.

[jwillchad]

mark smith had to stop for breath, SM didnt

[ThePoorhillbilly]

what are all you douchbags on? Mark e Smith ripped off the Velvet Underground, The Velvet Underground Ripped off Link Wray. and the cycle will continue. Mark E smith should grow up and be proud that he got ripped off. its punk rock not playschool

[juman1cus]

did the word "re-make" come across any minds?......no, yeah i know it has a diff name, but who cares, i sure the fuck dont, and i also agree with stevnricke

[takeittothemall]

wow. pavement totally made this song better.

[ome32]

i like roads

[WLancs]

Man, your cover is so bright! Or is mine just 30 y/o faded, maybe like me!

Fabulous track, unsurprisingly valid.

Speaks a cynic.

[VAThrasher]

Man, I work at a indie college radio station: a ton of great music there. But there's something rampant there that i notice here. Way too much politics. You can like Pavement and like the Fall, its not like its divided into 2 camps and you must choose a side. Bottom-line, both bands are great. And anyone listening to this stuff must have good taste so theres no need to be elitist. Everybody listens to different sounds and if i met someone who liked the fall or pavement, its better than bieber!

[precinkt]

@VAThrasher After 'Slanted and Enchanted', The Fall/Pavement comparisons were OVER surely?

[MrWoweeZowee]

ova da sea beach out brit fags

[MrWoweeZowee]

homage to my home boys

[halifuckinfan]

IM TRYING, IM TRYING, IM TRYING! Lol

Like this and Pavement

[concretespecial]

@halifuckinfan When I first picked up Slanted and Enchanted and listened to it, my first thought was wow, it's about time someone pays tribute to the fall. Pavement and the fall are 2 of my favorite bands all time...good times

[atf487]

<3 the kazoo

[Bagmen3]

Damn this songs hella badasssss.

[MountErrigal]

its been ripped off without question.....but a form of flattery i'm sure

[AndaleyAndaley]

yes yes, nice shit

[stevnricke]

malkmus isn't ripping shit off. it's an homage. do you guys honestly think malkmus is the kind of dude to try and rip someone off for profit? he obviously just loves the song.

[ballersack]

@stevnricke

you're naive

[stevnricke]

@ballersack you have no idea how right you are

[ph03n1xamb1t]

@stevnricke

Does he not make cash from record sales? You surprise me

[johnnyvicious2]

@ph03n1xamb1t Thank you. Some realism amidst all this talk of homage, tribute etc. 

[stevnricke]

@ph03n1xamb1t probably not. nobody buys music anymore.

[ph03n1xamb1t]

@stevnricke

Even from gigs that result from record sales? You surprise me

[jrichardson4mvp]

@stevnricke Came on this video just to read a comment like that :-) It's so pleasing to discover that there are at least 28 other like-minded souls on this Earth. Malk is a highly original musician in his own right (not that originality really matters for anything in pop music), and I don't hear anyone complaining about the thousands of bands who 'ripped off' Pavement.

[colpetne]

@stevnricke finally someone who has it right

[Stuie1973]

@stevnricke exactly my friend pavement were completely open about being majorly influenced by the fall.... also its worth noting that the only pavement/fall homages are on Westing by sextant and muskett and slanted and enchanted... from crooked rain crooked rain onwards pavement are pavement. im not sure why some people are down on pavement for having exceptional taste in music maybe they need to listen to Wowee Zowee a bit more. As for profit Im not sure pavement made too much of that.

[emile235]

@stevnricke if Malkmus never ripped off the Fall or Sonic Youth then why did most of Pavement's tracks sound like both aforementioned bands? A homage is a one off track not basing your entire repetoire on your idol

[sushilll111]

@emile235 Pavement sounds nothing like Sonic Youth or the Fall outside their first album. Nothing. You'd have to be deaf to confuse Grotesque and Brighten the Corners. You're going to tell me Grounded and Range Life sound like the Fall? Come the fuck on. Pavement and Sonic Youth and The Fall all have one thing in common - all incredible bands.

[emile235]

@sushilll111 you're right the latter Pavement LPs are a unique mish mash a distinctive niche. Incidentally to me GOO was the last good Sonic Youth album. The others were pure. The 90s albums were "sell out" not that i am criticising commercial success after all what would the world be if The Beatles and Stones remained as cult garage bands but yeah Sonic Yoth just lost it in the 90s

[sushilll111]

@emile235 Yeah Im not that hot on the 90s Sonic Youth albums in general. On the other hand I do think there are a few bright spots and it is pretty hard to live up to albums as phenomenal as Sister and Daydream Nation

[emile235]

@sushilll111 was thinking more of the pre Daydream Nation albums

[belongin]

but pavement still rocks

[MegaKevorkian]

@belongin Pavement rocks like a slippery paving stone, which if slipped upon, will give said slipper a chance to sue the freakin council, just like you should be sued for your rocky pavement!

[MegaKevorkian]

@belongin Pavement is nothing but a slippery floor!

[jasonbigelow]

fuck stephen malkmus.

[detweeta]

give me a e mark for f@@k sake

[TheDancingqueen53]

Punk meets ARt! I saw them live at the Stranded punk club in 1980. The absolute pinnacle of the New Wave Movement. Love from Punk grandad, memories of The Strand Arcade....you just had to be there............

[toddpinkstonisgod]

I can see the similarities to Pavement's "Conduit for Sale!"

[brianbrutality]

arttttt i listened to dave mattthews and i threee euppp

[nydude6009]

i'm tryin im tryitngs

[fuqkme]

everything rips off everything. die trying, goons

[grimo]

It's the template from which Bez, Ryder et al built their Squirrel and G-Man...

[Lifevirus4]

The Fall is sick as fuck. This is AMAZING!

[TheHumannBee]

Even if Pavement rips this off, which is true I guess, this is just kind of a rip off of Velvet Underground.

[ahorna1]

Yeah, it sounds exactly like What goes on! but still good though :)

[llanbo]

Is it balls. And talking of balls, you may cup mine gently, whilst sucking my fat hairy chopper.

[zukuzukuzukuzuku]

I've only listened to a few Fall songs, but this is the first I've hit on that I can really dig.

Yeah, I like this a lot.

[stevenuuu1212]

"Ooh Conduit For Sale, Ooh we're brilliant Pavement, love us"

The original and the best is here.

[TallFastLoud]

I love Pavement, but "Jackals: False Grails" is actually much more of a rip-off of this song

[mistersix420]

@TallFastLoud yeah after double checking i agree, jackals false grails sounds like it doesnt even change the chords or w/e. its kind of hidden behind the other stuff there though

[xopowo69]

One of my favorite songs of all time.

[wankmaster]

pavement ripped off this so hard

[precinkt]

@wankmaster The comparisons between the two bands were vastly overstated.

[richgriffin77]

@wankmaster Yep. And took it all the way to the bank. Another reason to love them. 

[therewasascene]

@wankmaster

but the fall aren't trying

[kevfullo]

classic!

[keddw]

This is better live on the live in London tape 1980. But great to hear it again. Many thanks. I'll have to listen to Grotesque again but I'm beginning to think Dragnet is the best of the early fall albums.

[johnnyvicious2]

@keddw Both great albums but I think Grotesque just has this really odd but compelling ambience about it.

[keddw]

@johnnyvicious2 I think both have their own strange ambience, MES comes across as slightly more jaded and world weary on Grotesque while Dragnet is more biting. Love both though. Especially the spartan guitar.

[johnnyvicious2]

@keddw Agreed! It is probably the lyrics on Grotesque that swing it for me, especially on the NWRA and Container Drivers but both albums were streets ahead of most other music of the time - and they still are.

[liamev21]

a new face in hellllllllllll

[statementallity]

a new face in hell!!!!!!!!!!!

[michaelstmark]

Classic spy thriller!

[morphologies]

I have dreams I have seen, carloads of negro nazis. offended me then. After rwanda I couldn't care less.

edwardgeorge

[weta2000nz]

Great story !!

[getorphan]

Wireless enthusiast intercepts government secret radio band and Uncovers secrets and scandals of deceitful type proportions.

Aghast goes next door to his neighbor, secretly excited, as

Aforementioned was a hunter whom radio enthusiast wanted Friendship and favor of.

A new face in hell

A new face in hell!

The dead cannot contradict

Sometimes the living cannot

[dancupid]

Sends shivers down my spine, not sure why

[Bluemaxi]

Fuck knows what he's on but what a lyricist..