@AdreasTheGreat you say younger people so that means u have watched some legends? Then maybe you would see the farther we go with basketball the greater athletes come out.. Its not fair to the retired ones who didn't have the stuff to train with the athletes have today but thats life, unfair. Truth is a lot of players are stronger and more athletic than some hall of fame players these days. A little racist but there were more white dominated teams then too and look at the considered top 10 best
@PieandBiscuits Actually their was more talent back then because their were less teams which means more stars on more teams. That is why people want the NBA to have contraction. Their are too many bad teams and players in the NBA today. The NBA was more competitive in the 60's-80's even tho their were dynasties their were also more competitive teams in the league. Don't think just because a lot of guys can jump high means they could have played back then.
@PieandBiscuits i don't agree with young kids who say that today's stars are better cause are more athletic!it's pretty unfair to compare players of different eras in athletisism cause there were many great athlets in 60's like wilt,russell,baylor,oscar,g.johnson....who would be much more athletic with today's training technic and steroids to!so u should compare their skills,domination and accomplishments!wade is great player but oscar is top 10 or maybe top 5 ever,no comparision man...
For people with no historical perspective: The game in 1962 was played like a pick up game, super fast pace, zero defense all offense, up and down, the league average was insane 152 possessions!!! That's 60 more than today!!! And I'm not even talking abou the level of competition. Yes Osar was great for his era, but don't compare him with statisticaly to Magic or LeBron that's nonsence. Look at the stats from 62 season, it should be asterisk there, it was a different game , even different sport
Much too difficult to compare eras. The eras that Magic, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe played were much more athletic and difficult. My Top 10: 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Magic 4. Wilt 5. Bird 6. Russell 7. Duncan 8. Shaq 9. Kobe 10. Oscar
@ddf1943 If you have that overrated stat padder over the likes of Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Duncan and Shaq then you don't know the game.
@shadow1dx "stat padder"??? Wilt was the most documented stat padder ever so don't put him in the list if you don't want 'stat padders' included, you ignorant man
@bootiack What was his lifetime FG% and compare it to other great guards in history? Better than most. If you're gonna hate, get some facts behind it.
@bootiack oscar was great and top 10 ever and did n't take a lot of shots.he took his most shots ain 61-62 season and took 22.9 shots p/g.other great players took much more...kobe 27.2 in 2005,mj took 27.8 in 1986,lebron 24.1...only bird (22 p/g)and magic(16.5 p/g) took less shots than him!oscar was one of the best,if no the best all-around players ever!
@neeks6 Most players (and teams) are sub .500 teams. In fact the league average FG% has never been above .500 in the history of the NBA. Elgin Baylor did average 19.82 RPG in the 61-62 season. He was a phenomenal re-bounder for his size and the only forwards to surpass him in that skill are Jerry Lucas, Bob Pettit and Dennis Rodman. Elgin Baylor was also a great all around player and a contender for the GOAT title so don't wave his stats around like it was an easy accomplishment for that league.
This man could dish more assists and grab more rebounds than Magic Johnson while scoring as much as Michael Jordan. He did it all while having to live through the socio-political struggles of the 1960s. Widely accepted in his own time as the greatest all around ball player, he was forced to sleep in a horse stable in Houston, TX while his team mates stayed in Hotels. This man deserves every ounce of praise he receives.
@lbj6mj23 If you're talking all-time, you're definitely wrong! There are a lot of others who were close...Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd, Fat Lever, the list goes on...
@maplestoryisthebestr exactly, ppl worship old players, but the game was still primitive! if i got to play then with my current knowledge, i would probably be an all star caliber player leading a team... you cannot talk about the greatest of all time in such general lines as @emmetk does, cause you need to compare eras! i mean, even when trying to compare players like kobe, mj, lebron, ai etc you need to know what era and circumpsances they played in! so immagine comparing kobe to oscar!
@maplestoryisthebestr he is a great player, but he is a great player FOR HIS ERA and that is what players are... you can't compare them in the course of so many years skillwse, what they apported to the sport is their true value, and their dominance in their due eras... at least for me!
this video is amazing... seems like em good ol days when a team was like alright, lets go hoop. no crazy practices like today in ncaa or nba, just bball... oscar was like yeaaah im rested cause all we do is playing real games and i know imma get buckets, therefore its fun playing
@emmettk I don't think that the triple double numbers are really relavent when you compare him to modern players. Do u really think that if you transported the 1962 oscar robertson to todays league, he would average a triple double? Or if you transported Lebron to 1962, he wouldnt average a triple double?
@Ivanchuckk I keep repeating this. If it were such a meaningless accomplishment, why did no one else do it? Are you suggesting that the possibility that he may not have achieved it today dismisses him as an all-time great player? Time transport is not feasible. Each athlete can only be judged within the context of his own situation. Otherwise, each ensuing generation will be free to automatically dismiss the greatness of any past individuals.
@emmettk Hey, I agree with you that it is an amazing accomplishment. He is clearly an all time great. All I meant to say is that the tripledouble stat is irrelevent when you compare him to modern players... alot of people argue for instance that OR is better than lebron because he averaged a triple double and lebron never has.... i think this is totally incorrect.
@Ivanchuckk No one brings up the triple-double stat more than I do and it's only because it does grab the attention of younger fans who never want to accept that some of the older players are worthy of inclusion too. I have not made direct comparisons based on statistics and I never will. I am in the increasingly rare position to be able to say that I have seen them all play from Russell & Big O to Kobe & Lebron. Most people who dispute me cannot say the same.
@emmettk Its not that the older players werent great, but that the game itself has evolved. Legends from the 60's and 70's like OR and Russell deserve to be recognized from thier accomplishments, but it also should be noted that they wouldn't come close to dominating like they used to in todays league. But i think about it... thats a good thing, the game is evolving, each generation takes something from the last, the bar keeps getting raised. Its the natural progression of the sport
@Ivanchuckk What you say about evolution is true. I'm not saying you are doing this, but you can't be one way about it. For example, you can't insert LeBron into the 1960's or insert Oscar into 2011 to make a comparison between the two. It's unfair. People are bigger, stronger & faster today b/c more is known about nutrition today. Look at the NFL. If Jim Brown was born 35 yrs later, he would be bigger than he was then & his talent level would still translate. The same guys would rise 2 the top.
@Ivanchuckk another good comment displaying bball logic ;) the game wouldn't be what it is withoug players like them, but comparing russel to mj would be pointless! so would be comparing oscar to kobe, magic to lebron.... the newest players in the equation would be beter, cuse they came in a more evolved league, their bodies were-are in top physique condition and their skills carry the mark of all the older players who played plus their trademark assets, so bball is lke a pile of skills...
i changed their positions cause i wanted to have both chamberlain and russell but also wanted to include bird.
with wilt and russell in the middle theirs almost no chance of someone getting an easy layup. bird at the 3 just because i like the way he playes, only problem is he might not be fit enough to keep up with other 3 since hes a 4. roberston and magic at the guards gives you the ability to make plays, be able to score,rebound,steal and defend
I always go back and forth between wilt and duncan, and between oscar and magic. I also kinda like kareem instead of wilt when i go with duncan. russell has always kinda been the odd man out amongst my big men. sometimes I throw in dr. j for bird when i wanna run. then i definitely go magic at point. idk how you can keep jordan off the floor, best there ever was...
@FightBack96 i like jordan but i think the media and popularity was part of his so called title as "best ever" i mean mikan was popular in his day,wilt was more popular because by the time he played the game viewing addience had gone up plus people watched becuase he robertson,the celtics,baylor and west created enternainment in basketball. bird, magic, and jordan all came into basketball after the merger and after many new rules were implaced and were basketball really toke of as popular
@ElMatadorAzteca1 i mean jordan isnt even a player anymore hes now a product and when nike started using him in commercials and making shoes named after him he became a product and no longer a basketball player. people that dont know about basketball history usually say jordans the best becuse that is what the commercials say and becuase the comercials never would lie to them.
@ElMatadorAzteca1 I think you need to rate players on how they did with the rules there were in place. I don't think Jordan was just some phenom created by the media, the way LeBron is right now. Jordan did real things. He was unstoppable, you couldn't keep him from getting 40. If he wanted to get 40, he got 40. LeBron has off nights where he can't get the ball in the basket, no matter what he tries. Jordan NEVER had that. I do think that Jordan was the best ever.
@FightBack96 lebron is hated by everyone he is not as famous as MJ yet, MJ was just a player they used to make them forget of wilt, oscar and the celtics, just like now they want us to forget about MJ by putting Lebron and kobe under are noses.but yes jordan did score when he wanted but so did chamberlain,robertson,west and any other great play thats what makes them a great player i mean how many times did larry have huge scoring games against the lakers in the playoffs
@ElMatadorAzteca1 Also, if you want to make a case for a player other than Jordan, I think the only other player you can mention is Kareem. He was also absolutely unstoppable.
@FightBack96 you just proved my point kareem had no success with the bucks before robertson got their, robertson was his number two just like pippen was jordans number 2. but i think robertson was still bettter than kareem
robertson was the greatest ever why because he played in the time of the giants and still put up great numbers in his first five years he put up numbers in the double digits Pts/Reb/Ast 30/10/10. people today think jordan was greater than robertson and russell but he wasnt he was just flashier than them.
omg are all yall people retarded since when is the past worst then today. the past was full of players that could actually play basketball, now a days just because some one makes a great dunk for some reason their better than some one that lays it up. flashy plays arent what make a great player great
Younger people have always tried to put down the players of previous generations that they did not see. I saw Big O. Wilt , Baylor ,Russell, West and all those guys. You can't have a time machine. Players can only be great in their own time.In 20 years, kids will be saying, "Yeah, but Jordan wouldn't be that good today." Greatness is greatness. Just leave it at that.
@emmettk why do you think they won 11 championships? Because they were the only team playing defense. And the fact that the nba only had like 8 teams, and most the players were ALOT shorter than nowadays.
He was good im sure.. but he'd only put up numbers like this in that era. Now way he puts up the same in 80's and 90's basketball when defense was actually a part of the game.
@jakach23 You weren't around to know that the greatest defensive player of all time is from that era- Bill Russell. That's how they won 11 rings in 13 years. You can say defense was not a part of the game, but you don't know what you're talking about.
@jakach23 what you just said is one of the comments that down play robertson,baylor,chamberlains, and russells greatness, how can you say they didnt play as much defense as today are you serious. in the 60 defendes had more advantages then they do now they were able to do things that would now a days send a player to the free throw line, player in the 80 up are way more protected by the referees now then before the 80's. in the 60 u could pretty much rap your hands around the player with theball
@emmettk That's true but a triple double these days is a lot harder because of the rebounding opportunities or lack there of. In those days there teams would avg 70+ rebs per gm, now days teams only avg around 40. The most amazing thing about Oscar doing this is that the asst were harder because if the player dribbled the ball after receiving the pass then there was no asst, but there were way more possessions in those days to. The C's avgd 78rebs per gm as a team, which is impossible now days
the 60s players are alot shorter and weaker than wilt, the competetion are way weaker than today and that's why he can have those number, just like yao minq when he was in china but wjhen yao come to a stronqer nba era, he wasn't as dominatinq as he was in china and that's the proof there. so if wilt and oscar come to this era of nba they ain't have those crazy numbers.
@rason20072 People make that argument all the time; that it was easy to make those numbers because the players weren't as good, or they were short, or they were unathletic, or whatever. But how come nobody else made those numbers if it was so easy back then? To tell the truth, I saw all those guys play; I think the only significant difference between the greats of today vs. back then was a matter of playing style. Don't confuse flashy with athleticism.
@buckfan1969 Yea you know in 50 short years human beings as a species have evolved physically, we have the bowflex now so we are clearly superior to anything that come before us... what a joke of an argument
@buckfan1969 Noboby saying it was easy, their saying he couldn't do it today. Secondly he would have to play the game completley differently too today, and he would be under a lot more pressure to make those jumpers for example. We are talking about athleticism too. Just compare the rebound footage between now and then. It's laughable.
now, yawn is wronq aqain about chamberlain, swede halbrook is a tall player but he is also a very sucky player, there's a difference bewteen the level of olajuwon and brain scalabrine or robert horry, since if even if you are tall you could also be sucky too, and when you are sucky like that then even if you are tall, you still won't be dominatinq, like swede halbrook, he is sucky, but my point is most players in the 60s are alot shorter than wilt and that's why he can have those numbers
and that's why yawn r wronq about maqic since yawn said he has the better stats, while jordan has it more, look, i am not even usinq maqic's point averaqed season, i used his best point season to compare to jordan's normal season averaqe....because prime jordan's score averaqed will be even qreater than 32 points, so i am not even usinq that, i am only usinq jordan's normal score averaqe to compare to maqic's score averaqe in maqic's hiqhest score.
the most point maqic score in a season was the 1986 season and he averaqed 24 points, and he played 38 minutes, so you can't say that he wasn't used as much as jordan in hithis season, because jordan was used about 39 minutes in his most seasons and he averaqed around 31 to 32 points.....so 32-24 is 8, and 8 is the exact number of maqic's rebound number and assist number which is more than jordan, remember maqic has 2 more rebounds and 6 more assist so 2plus 6 is 8, jordan's point cancel out
@rason20072 jordan's point cancel out maqic's rebound and assist stats, because jordan has 8 more point averaqed in most seasons than maqic and maqic also has 8 more rebounds and assist stats comnbined better than jordan, so jordan's point cancel out maqic's rebound and assist stats, but the remain factor is jordan has the better defense, he has much better steal stats and block stats than maqic, and that's why jordan is the overall better player, and that's why yawn r wronq about maqic has bet
jordan is the much better players than maqic, jordan in his prime has 8 rebounds and his other years has like 6.6 to 7 rebounds, maqic rebounds stats in his years were around 7.5 to 9.5, he has only like 2 rebounds more than jordan in most of the years, not really a sqnificant difference, maqic's assist stats in his prime was around 12 and jordan was around 6, so 6 more than jordan, 2 more rebound plus 6 more assist is 8, but jordan has atleast 10 more points averaqe than maqic in his prime.
because the chinese players are alot shorter and weaker than yao, just like players in the 60s are alot shorter and weaker than wilt, that's why yao was able to dominate the entire china leaque like how wilt dominated the 60s....but when yao come to a stronqer era in the nba he couldn't dominate it like how he did to china leaque, and that's the proof there of why wilt and oscar will be less dominatinq if he was in today's leaque, they ain't qonna have those crazy stats.
so, when yao come to a stronqer era like the nba, with stronqer and faster and taller players to compete with him, then he become less dominatinq than he was in china......because when he was in china he used to be like wilt chamberlain in the 60s, but he can't do it in a stronqer era of the nba, so that's the proof there of why wilt and oscar wouldn't be that dominate if they were in today's era......the pace of the qame in 60s were way different compare to todays.
have you seen yao minq dominate the china basketball leaque.....the way yao dominate china was just like wilt dominated the 60s......but when yao come to the stronqer nba, he become less dominatinq. because the chinese players are alot shortetr than yao, just like players in 60s are shorter than wilt, and chinese players are also weaker than yao, just like the 60s players are alot weaker than wilt, so when yao come to a stronqer era like the nba with faster and stronqer and taller players, he
Wilt Was 7'1" the year of his 100 pt. game he was the third tallest center in the league. If it really was an issue of him being taller then why wasn't a guy like Swede Halbrook (7'3") averaging over 6 pts a game. He was 2 inches taller than Wilt but averaged about 25 per game less than Wilt, so you can't just say that Wilt got those numbers cause the league was shorter because it really wasn't.
@Biswalt no, yawn r very wronq....jordan did have better mid shot, check basketball-reference, a site contain all players' performances in different cateqory, even include outside and inside shot fq, the reason why maqic has the better fq is beacuse he has the better inside, but outside is belonq to jordan, you can ask anyone in this world they will tell you that jordan has the better jumper than maqic, his fadeaway jumper was reqarded as the best move, ahead of hakeem's dream shake.
so, if wilt and oscar have to compete with taller players and faster and stronqer players then they wouldn't have those averaqe, and also the qame in the 60s, the pace of the qame in 60s were way different than today's pace.
he couldn't sinqle handedly dominate the entire nba, like how he dominated china......because the chinese basketball leaque was as slow as the 60s and they were also as weak as the 60s, and that is why he can do that to them and alot of the players in china are shorter than yao, just like the players in the 60s are shorter than wilt that's why when yao come to the nba he wasn't as dominate as he was in china leaque.
have you seen yao minq dominated china's basketball leaqure, the way yao dominate china was just like wilt dominated the 60s........but when yao come to the stronqer leaque, the stronqer era like the nba, he wasn't as dominated as he was in china. he couldn't sinqle handedly dominated the entire nba like hoe he dominate china...like how he dominated china......that's the proof there if wilt and oscar come to this era, they wouldn't be as much dominate as in the 60s era.
no, you didn't make.....yawn didn't make any point here.......since jordan was qreatest, then even if russell has win more rinqs but still jordan will still be count as better reqardless of rinqs, and also, do you honestly think wilt will averaqe 50, 20, 20 and 6st and 10 blocks in this era........hell no, oscar will also not be averaqinq 35, 11, 12 in this era as a season
@rason20072: Neither would Jordan. One of the primary reason that he's regarded as the greatest is that he was a threat from everywhere on the court. But that's only partly true. He shot very well from behind the arc... from 95-96 to 97-98 when the league toyed with shortening the 3 point line. With the standard 22'9" line he actually shoots slightly BELOW average.
@rason20072: Additionally, Jordan like most players got better as more talent was surrounding him because it loosened his game up. The big O put up his best numbers when he was unequivocally the star of the team. That's unusual, and it's proof that Oscar Robertson was making plays happen.
You should also look at how much more dominant he was than other players of the era. For example he average 11.4 Assists one year. League average was 2.7 for all players who played all 80 games.
@Biswalt first of all, if yawn think jordan's prime was in 1996, then yawn is wronq.....jordan's prime was in 1988, 1996 was his droppinq stat. jordan reqarded as qraetest is because not only that he has rinqs but he also has the most dominate performance ever seen, so even if russell has more rinqs he still not as nice as jordan. your leaque stat sheet is irrevelant because the 60's era were way slower and weaker than today's, wilt and osacr wouldn't have those crazy number in today. too stronq
@rason20072: He doesn't have the most dominant performance though. He's literally not even the best of his era because he played against Magic Johnson who had a much better complete game (shoots better across board than Jordan, more rebs, more assists, more blks, less fouls). But NEITHER Jordan or Magic Johnson holds a flame to either Oscar Robertson OR Wilt Chamberlain. And Chamberlain was so dominant it's ridiculous.
@rason20072: Chamberlain's so dominant he's the only other guy than jordan to average 30.1 pts for a career. He's one of only 2 guys to average over 20 boards a game for a career, the other being Bill Russell. During the year's Wilt played most other NBA players were averaging 6 boards a game, he was averaging just under 3 times that much. And it's not that he played in a less dominant era, that's a marketing myth. Wilt played against Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and out rebounded him by 3-4 a game
@rason20072: Lastly, the game really wasn't slower than it is now, that's a myth as well. The athlete's are probably slower in the 60s because of advancements in training and nutrition, etc. But the game was averaging about 10 more possessions than games in the 90s were, which is why rebounds were higher in the 1960s, but the increase in rebounds alone can't account for getting over 20 per game, because Chamerblain was getting more than the 10 extra possessions and doubling it. VERY DOMINANT
@Biswalt you obviously didn't read what i wrote and didn't understand me........jordan's performance was way better than anyone, even better than maqic, you said maiqc shoot better acoross board than jordan, how is that truth, jordan shoot better than maqic, his amazinq fadeaway jumper was reqarded as the most devastsatinq attack move of all time, and he has better clutch, better mid ranqe jumper than maqic, better speed and drive and better defense, he averaqed more rebound than maqic in prime
Jordan shot 2s at 50%. Johnson shot at 52%. Both shot 3s at the same rate when playing with the 22'9" line. And Johnson hit better FTs too at 85% vs. Jordan's 83%
Johnson also outrebounded, outblocked, and got more assists per Jordan.
The Jordan is best argument is a result of pure marketing in the 90s after Bird was having backspasms and Johnson retired, because Johnson WAS the best and the NBA needed to hype what was remaining... Jordan.
@Biswalt yawn is wronq, you didn't make....yawn didn't make sense and yawn r incorrect...jordan shoot mid ranqe shot at 50 percent, but maqic shoot mid ranqe at 48 percent, but maqic has better inside shot percent than jordan, that's why he has a better fq percent, because his inside was better. but outside, belonq to jordan....jordan also has 8 rebound in his prime as much as maqic and he has better defense than maqic, check his steal stats and block stats, he has them better, and better points
@rason20072: Whatever. I'm going to try this once more.
1. Where did you arrive at the Jordan shoots midrange jumpers at 50%. Jordan's overall FG% (including dunks was only 50%, and since he made nearly EVERY dunk he attempted his actual FG shooting would HAVE TO BE lower than 50%.
2. Where did you get the "mid-range" shooting percentage from since that's not a stat that ANYONE actually tracks!
3. Jordan did not rebound the same as Magic. Jordan had 1 year where he got over 8 rebs/game. 1! Magic had 3 over 8 and 7 over secen with one year being nearly 10! That's MUCH better than Jordan.
I'll concede the steals (as I never claimed otherwise, but as to the blocks, Jordan did have the better stats ... I was wrong on that, going from memory on that one, but still both had less than a blk a game so it's negligble.
Lastly, Jordan DOES have more points but he also played 2 more seasons and averaged 1.6 more minutes/game than Magic did. Plus Phil Jackson would have him play for stats by playing the full 82 game season instead of benching him like the Lakers did with Magic. If Magic had been used like Jordan he would have had a much better complete game
So pick and choose all your cherry picked stats all you want as unbiasedly as possible Magic had better overall numbers. It's a fact.
Players in the 60's 70's couldn't have put up as big of a numbers as they did in the Jordan era Wilt wouldn't have avged nearly 25 rpg and Oscar wouldn't have avg a triple double. Im not saying they would of been shit just saying they wouldnt have avg as much
look, not even jordan in his prime could averaqe 35, 11, 12 a season that must meansomethinq is wronq with oscar's era, that must mean somethinq is wronq with osacr's era and competition.
@mS28811 because not even jordan could averaqe that number you know...not even the prime jordan could averaqe those crazy number, so you know that must be somethinq wronq with his era, since jordan was qreatest
@rason20072 Again....baseless assumption that because his numbers were better his era was weaker. Not every player can be compared to Michael Jordan. He won 6 championships, ok fine, but Russell won 11, Chamberlain averaged 50 ppg one season and 20 something rebounds. They never played together so you can't possibly know.
@mS28811 no, you didn't make.....yawn didn't make any point here.......since jordan was qreatest, then even if russell has win more rinqs but still jordan will still be count as better reqardless of rinqs, and also, do you honestly think wilt will averaqe 50, 20, 20 and 6st and 10 blocks in this era........hell no, oscar will also not be averaqinq 35, 11, 12 in his era as a season.
Highlight reels don't do O justice. His bread and butter was getting his man on the baseline, getting him up in the air, then making the fadeaway or hitting a man cutting to the basket. A typical game for O was 10-12 FG's, 11-12 FT's, and 10-12 assists. Probably more 3 point plays than anyone. The 60's didn't have the flash & bling of today, and people confuse that with talent level. You had to see him play to appreciate his greatness. I consider myself fortunate to have grown up seeing it
i laugth a lot of this video i mean common they dont know to how to dunk a modern dunk and they dont know how to dribble a ball like a crossover this guys dont know how to play
@glenness2323 It's hard to relate if ya ain't a older guy like me... to see the difference of those days vs. now, you have to know, there are no 'skills rules' today. If these guys look stiff, it's because the rule was if your hand moved off the top of the ball, you got a whistle. & they were STRICT about it.
Same thing with traveling. If a guy took more than 2 steps, he walked - period.
Assists were by the book too. None of this unimpeded to the basket stuff.
@bryandeezy: How do you figure that?!? The biggest factor is being a great player is actually to be a great scorer. Oscar shot 48.5% Kobe has shot 45% from 2. Oscar is the better scorer it's really that simple.
League average shooting in 1974 (O's last year) was 46%. in 2010 it's 46%. Shooting hasn't really gotten harder, so at the end of the day I've got to go with shooting % and O beats Kobe hands down
@AdreasTheGreat you say younger people so that means u have watched some legends? Then maybe you would see the farther we go with basketball the greater athletes come out.. Its not fair to the retired ones who didn't have the stuff to train with the athletes have today but thats life, unfair. Truth is a lot of players are stronger and more athletic than some hall of fame players these days. A little racist but there were more white dominated teams then too and look at the considered top 10 best
SickRose47 1 week ago
combo isaiah n magic
bootiack 2 weeks ago
Those were the times, not shit players like Wade in top 10
dj21lv 2 weeks ago
@dj21lv Wade is a great player, what are you on about
farhannius16 1 week ago
@dj21lv ......... wade is better than the big O. There was a lot less talent back then.. A LOT less
PieandBiscuits 1 week ago
@PieandBiscuits Actually their was more talent back then because their were less teams which means more stars on more teams. That is why people want the NBA to have contraction. Their are too many bad teams and players in the NBA today. The NBA was more competitive in the 60's-80's even tho their were dynasties their were also more competitive teams in the league. Don't think just because a lot of guys can jump high means they could have played back then.
wb1227 1 week ago
@PieandBiscuits i don't agree with young kids who say that today's stars are better cause are more athletic!it's pretty unfair to compare players of different eras in athletisism cause there were many great athlets in 60's like wilt,russell,baylor,oscar,g.johnson....who would be much more athletic with today's training technic and steroids to!so u should compare their skills,domination and accomplishments!wade is great player but oscar is top 10 or maybe top 5 ever,no comparision man...
AdreasTheGreat 1 week ago
Ice cube went well with these highlights :D
BenderBitch 1 month ago
more highlight reels need to have songs like this
bthomas822 1 month ago
And think that there wasnt even a three point line. 30 a game for a guard on all 2's? Ridiculous. Naptown's best baller forever, the Big O.
IndyColts317 1 month ago
I'd put Oscar over Magic for all time greatest point guard
Shiz92096 1 month ago
@Shiz92096 -____- yea you dont know basketball
MalikdaBeAst235797 1 month ago
I think all the "dislikes" were because of the music.
impellitarian 1 month ago
Perfect song for the video,fits with the laid back smooth kind of game the Big O had
ReBooooo 1 month ago
MJ may have perfected the fadeaway, but Oscar invented it.
koalalauncher 2 months ago
Oscar> Jordan
FACT
dreday0201 2 months ago
@dreday0201 YES! Agree but jordan is good. Oscar is better. Agreed =)
FreshFromDaBasement 2 months ago
@dreday0201 Again agree.
FreshFromDaBasement 2 months ago
For people with no historical perspective: The game in 1962 was played like a pick up game, super fast pace, zero defense all offense, up and down, the league average was insane 152 possessions!!! That's 60 more than today!!! And I'm not even talking abou the level of competition. Yes Osar was great for his era, but don't compare him with statisticaly to Magic or LeBron that's nonsence. Look at the stats from 62 season, it should be asterisk there, it was a different game , even different sport
HymanKaplan 3 months ago
@HymanKaplan yea nd while yur at it, diss kareem abdul jabarr asshole
goltanna 3 months ago
@goltanna 80's were not 60's dumbfuck
HymanKaplan 3 months ago
shadow1dx 3 months ago
@shadow1dx Actually I'd take off Oscar and put in Hakeem.
shadow1dx 3 months ago
@shadow1dx If you don't have Oscar in top 5, you don't know the game.
ddf1943 1 month ago
@ddf1943 If you have that overrated stat padder over the likes of Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Duncan and Shaq then you don't know the game.
shadow1dx 1 month ago
@shadow1dx If you think that whiny, cheating, cant-hand-check-me media creation is any better than Pippen ,you don't know the game.
SacramentoDowntown 1 month ago
@SacramentoDowntown Who are you alluding to?
shadow1dx 1 month ago
@shadow1dx "stat padder"??? Wilt was the most documented stat padder ever so don't put him in the list if you don't want 'stat padders' included, you ignorant man
108hanlon 6 days ago
@emmettk Boring
KobeBdaMan 3 months ago
oscar averaged 28+ shots a game FGA+FTA/2 which is insane amount
bootiack 3 months ago
@bootiack What was his lifetime FG% and compare it to other great guards in history? Better than most. If you're gonna hate, get some facts behind it.
emmettk 3 months ago
@bootiack Your numbers are too high. Check them oout. He avg. 23 shots a game in early years and 21 in later.
ddf1943 1 month ago
best 5 bird wilt pistol pete iceman walton
bootiack 3 months ago
oscar good but took at lot of shots
bootiack 3 months ago
@bootiack oscar was great and top 10 ever and did n't take a lot of shots.he took his most shots ain 61-62 season and took 22.9 shots p/g.other great players took much more...kobe 27.2 in 2005,mj took 27.8 in 1986,lebron 24.1...only bird (22 p/g)and magic(16.5 p/g) took less shots than him!oscar was one of the best,if no the best all-around players ever!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
Michael Jordan, Kareem, Oscar, Bill Russel and Wilt is the top 5 greatest NBA player's of all time!
jwh1999 3 months ago
oscar-dr.j-magic-mj
after mj nobody has passed him
Hotty6969 4 months ago
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Sovnarkom 4 months ago
@neeks6 Most players (and teams) are sub .500 teams. In fact the league average FG% has never been above .500 in the history of the NBA. Elgin Baylor did average 19.82 RPG in the 61-62 season. He was a phenomenal re-bounder for his size and the only forwards to surpass him in that skill are Jerry Lucas, Bob Pettit and Dennis Rodman. Elgin Baylor was also a great all around player and a contender for the GOAT title so don't wave his stats around like it was an easy accomplishment for that league.
Sovnarkom 4 months ago
This man could dish more assists and grab more rebounds than Magic Johnson while scoring as much as Michael Jordan. He did it all while having to live through the socio-political struggles of the 1960s. Widely accepted in his own time as the greatest all around ball player, he was forced to sleep in a horse stable in Houston, TX while his team mates stayed in Hotels. This man deserves every ounce of praise he receives.
Sovnarkom 4 months ago
ice cube - -today was a good day
Penisbutterszd999 4 months ago
@emmettk
true only player that is close to triple double is lebron but thats it
lbj6mj23 4 months ago
@lbj6mj23 If you're talking all-time, you're definitely wrong! There are a lot of others who were close...Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd, Fat Lever, the list goes on...
jan279 3 months ago
@jan279
i was talking right now..no all time
lbj6mj23 3 months ago
@trevor18hi you mean Robertson???
FuckWhatYaThink 4 months ago
@trevor18hi I wouldn't compare lebron to any other player in history but statisticaly I agree.
gmacattacks 4 months ago
magic johnson almost averaged a triple double
swagger1930 4 months ago
Lebron is another Robinson dont hate me but listen to Lebrons Career Stats
PPG: 27
AGP: 7
RGP:8 (almost) rounded up like .2)
trevor18hi 5 months ago
stole a rebound from WILT!
coachiceman23 5 months ago
@emmettk that was when nba players are not that good to standard.
maplestoryisthebestr 5 months ago
@maplestoryisthebestr exactly, ppl worship old players, but the game was still primitive! if i got to play then with my current knowledge, i would probably be an all star caliber player leading a team... you cannot talk about the greatest of all time in such general lines as @emmetk does, cause you need to compare eras! i mean, even when trying to compare players like kobe, mj, lebron, ai etc you need to know what era and circumpsances they played in! so immagine comparing kobe to oscar!
alejandrothefader 5 months ago
@alejandrothefader oscar robertson is my fav legend. he probably average 24 10 6 at least in this NBA standard.
maplestoryisthebestr 5 months ago
@maplestoryisthebestr he is a great player, but he is a great player FOR HIS ERA and that is what players are... you can't compare them in the course of so many years skillwse, what they apported to the sport is their true value, and their dominance in their due eras... at least for me!
alejandrothefader 5 months ago 2
that "fcked around and got a triple double" part is obviously a perfect fit for Big O..
binibinzen 5 months ago
Oscar Robertson Stats were amazinq.,
LeBronJame5236 6 months ago
His 181 triple-doubles make even Magic jealous.
Samuelx123x 6 months ago
this video is amazing... seems like em good ol days when a team was like alright, lets go hoop. no crazy practices like today in ncaa or nba, just bball... oscar was like yeaaah im rested cause all we do is playing real games and i know imma get buckets, therefore its fun playing
peplajso 6 months ago
@emmettk I don't think that the triple double numbers are really relavent when you compare him to modern players. Do u really think that if you transported the 1962 oscar robertson to todays league, he would average a triple double? Or if you transported Lebron to 1962, he wouldnt average a triple double?
Ivanchuckk 6 months ago
@Ivanchuckk I keep repeating this. If it were such a meaningless accomplishment, why did no one else do it? Are you suggesting that the possibility that he may not have achieved it today dismisses him as an all-time great player? Time transport is not feasible. Each athlete can only be judged within the context of his own situation. Otherwise, each ensuing generation will be free to automatically dismiss the greatness of any past individuals.
emmettk 6 months ago
@emmettk Hey, I agree with you that it is an amazing accomplishment. He is clearly an all time great. All I meant to say is that the tripledouble stat is irrelevent when you compare him to modern players... alot of people argue for instance that OR is better than lebron because he averaged a triple double and lebron never has.... i think this is totally incorrect.
Ivanchuckk 6 months ago
@Ivanchuckk No one brings up the triple-double stat more than I do and it's only because it does grab the attention of younger fans who never want to accept that some of the older players are worthy of inclusion too. I have not made direct comparisons based on statistics and I never will. I am in the increasingly rare position to be able to say that I have seen them all play from Russell & Big O to Kobe & Lebron. Most people who dispute me cannot say the same.
emmettk 6 months ago
@emmettk Its not that the older players werent great, but that the game itself has evolved. Legends from the 60's and 70's like OR and Russell deserve to be recognized from thier accomplishments, but it also should be noted that they wouldn't come close to dominating like they used to in todays league. But i think about it... thats a good thing, the game is evolving, each generation takes something from the last, the bar keeps getting raised. Its the natural progression of the sport
Ivanchuckk 6 months ago
@Ivanchuckk What you say about evolution is true. I'm not saying you are doing this, but you can't be one way about it. For example, you can't insert LeBron into the 1960's or insert Oscar into 2011 to make a comparison between the two. It's unfair. People are bigger, stronger & faster today b/c more is known about nutrition today. Look at the NFL. If Jim Brown was born 35 yrs later, he would be bigger than he was then & his talent level would still translate. The same guys would rise 2 the top.
emmettk 6 months ago
@Ivanchuckk another good comment displaying bball logic ;) the game wouldn't be what it is withoug players like them, but comparing russel to mj would be pointless! so would be comparing oscar to kobe, magic to lebron.... the newest players in the equation would be beter, cuse they came in a more evolved league, their bodies were-are in top physique condition and their skills carry the mark of all the older players who played plus their trademark assets, so bball is lke a pile of skills...
alejandrothefader 5 months ago
what is the name of the song and artist?
AioaneiAlexandru 6 months ago
@AioaneiAlexandru warren g ft. nate dogg - regulate
DrSlam 6 months ago
@DrSlam thank you!
AioaneiAlexandru 6 months ago
@DrSlam u sure it isnt ice cube's it was a good day?
AioaneiAlexandru 6 months ago
@AioaneiAlexandru aaaa :)) of course mate!! u right! my mistake;)
DrSlam 5 months ago
no POINT GUARD will ever average a triple double
TheEman67 6 months ago
LMFAO WHERE IS THE DAMN COMPETITION OR HIGHLIGHTS!?!?
tavion7 6 months ago
the reason a triple double cannot be averaged anymore is because of the 3 point line. Period.
Loudmouf84 6 months ago
and some dummy said d-rose was better
SwaggKiddJay 6 months ago
the dude averages a triple double for a season and he is only 6ft 5in !!!!
those are crazy stats considering that
gerrygadrumsee 7 months ago
@emmettk I wonder how many triple D's Chamberlain had....or maybe I dont, cuz the number will seem fuckin IMPOSSIBLE lol
jongib369 7 months ago
compare the athletes from then and now.... he'd still be great, but not like he was.
bigboy9153 7 months ago
c.wilt
f. russell
f. bird
g.robertson
g.magic
i changed their positions cause i wanted to have both chamberlain and russell but also wanted to include bird.
with wilt and russell in the middle theirs almost no chance of someone getting an easy layup. bird at the 3 just because i like the way he playes, only problem is he might not be fit enough to keep up with other 3 since hes a 4. roberston and magic at the guards gives you the ability to make plays, be able to score,rebound,steal and defend
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
@ElMatadorAzteca1 I kinda like:
c. wilt
f. kareem
f. bird
g. jordan
g. robertson
I always go back and forth between wilt and duncan, and between oscar and magic. I also kinda like kareem instead of wilt when i go with duncan. russell has always kinda been the odd man out amongst my big men. sometimes I throw in dr. j for bird when i wanna run. then i definitely go magic at point. idk how you can keep jordan off the floor, best there ever was...
FightBack96 7 months ago
@FightBack96 i like jordan but i think the media and popularity was part of his so called title as "best ever" i mean mikan was popular in his day,wilt was more popular because by the time he played the game viewing addience had gone up plus people watched becuase he robertson,the celtics,baylor and west created enternainment in basketball. bird, magic, and jordan all came into basketball after the merger and after many new rules were implaced and were basketball really toke of as popular
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
@ElMatadorAzteca1 i mean jordan isnt even a player anymore hes now a product and when nike started using him in commercials and making shoes named after him he became a product and no longer a basketball player. people that dont know about basketball history usually say jordans the best becuse that is what the commercials say and becuase the comercials never would lie to them.
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
@ElMatadorAzteca1 I think you need to rate players on how they did with the rules there were in place. I don't think Jordan was just some phenom created by the media, the way LeBron is right now. Jordan did real things. He was unstoppable, you couldn't keep him from getting 40. If he wanted to get 40, he got 40. LeBron has off nights where he can't get the ball in the basket, no matter what he tries. Jordan NEVER had that. I do think that Jordan was the best ever.
FightBack96 7 months ago
@FightBack96 lebron is hated by everyone he is not as famous as MJ yet, MJ was just a player they used to make them forget of wilt, oscar and the celtics, just like now they want us to forget about MJ by putting Lebron and kobe under are noses.but yes jordan did score when he wanted but so did chamberlain,robertson,west and any other great play thats what makes them a great player i mean how many times did larry have huge scoring games against the lakers in the playoffs
ElMatadorAzteca1 6 months ago
@ElMatadorAzteca1 Also, if you want to make a case for a player other than Jordan, I think the only other player you can mention is Kareem. He was also absolutely unstoppable.
FightBack96 7 months ago
@FightBack96 you just proved my point kareem had no success with the bucks before robertson got their, robertson was his number two just like pippen was jordans number 2. but i think robertson was still bettter than kareem
ElMatadorAzteca1 6 months ago
robertson was the greatest ever why because he played in the time of the giants and still put up great numbers in his first five years he put up numbers in the double digits Pts/Reb/Ast 30/10/10. people today think jordan was greater than robertson and russell but he wasnt he was just flashier than them.
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
omg are all yall people retarded since when is the past worst then today. the past was full of players that could actually play basketball, now a days just because some one makes a great dunk for some reason their better than some one that lays it up. flashy plays arent what make a great player great
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
@emmettk yes totally agree if everone could get of michael jordans junk they would see that he wasnt the greatest
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
man dis shit is ill just cause u put a pimpin song on it thumbs up 4 you.
Creolethug 7 months ago
Younger people have always tried to put down the players of previous generations that they did not see. I saw Big O. Wilt , Baylor ,Russell, West and all those guys. You can't have a time machine. Players can only be great in their own time.In 20 years, kids will be saying, "Yeah, but Jordan wouldn't be that good today." Greatness is greatness. Just leave it at that.
emmettk 7 months ago 9
@emmettk well said!
mreman2 2 months ago
whats the song????
theimmortal8265 8 months ago
@emmettk nobody knew the meaning of "defense" back then -_-
theimmortal8265 8 months ago
@theimmortal8265 How do you think Boston won all those rings back then? Do you remember that?
emmettk 8 months ago
@emmettk why do you think they won 11 championships? Because they were the only team playing defense. And the fact that the nba only had like 8 teams, and most the players were ALOT shorter than nowadays.
theimmortal8265 8 months ago
He was good im sure.. but he'd only put up numbers like this in that era. Now way he puts up the same in 80's and 90's basketball when defense was actually a part of the game.
jakach23 8 months ago
@jakach23 You weren't around to know that the greatest defensive player of all time is from that era- Bill Russell. That's how they won 11 rings in 13 years. You can say defense was not a part of the game, but you don't know what you're talking about.
emmettk 8 months ago
@jakach23 what you just said is one of the comments that down play robertson,baylor,chamberlains, and russells greatness, how can you say they didnt play as much defense as today are you serious. in the 60 defendes had more advantages then they do now they were able to do things that would now a days send a player to the free throw line, player in the 80 up are way more protected by the referees now then before the 80's. in the 60 u could pretty much rap your hands around the player with theball
ElMatadorAzteca1 7 months ago
Oscar Robertson>Magic
jrzy49 8 months ago 21
@jrzy49 they were different players, in today's game magic would be more effective and magic was a great person off the court too
Gurgle727 5 months ago
@jrzy49 It's debatable.
mrsoftnessful 4 months ago
Nice defence....
AiRcAmErOn 8 months ago
@emmettk soooo fckin right!!!!
MrArondwayne 8 months ago
@emmettk soooo fckin right!!!!
MrArondwayne 8 months ago
@emmettk That's true but a triple double these days is a lot harder because of the rebounding opportunities or lack there of. In those days there teams would avg 70+ rebs per gm, now days teams only avg around 40. The most amazing thing about Oscar doing this is that the asst were harder because if the player dribbled the ball after receiving the pass then there was no asst, but there were way more possessions in those days to. The C's avgd 78rebs per gm as a team, which is impossible now days
c2g1980 8 months ago
drlove1972 Best all around player ever. Almost avgd a triple double each of his 1st 5 seasons.
c2g1980 8 months ago
he look like Kemba Walker
ChillyCloth 8 months ago
greatest guard ever
drlove1972 9 months ago
song?
oneill2123 10 months ago
Whats the name of the soundtrack?
Orchas 10 months ago
@Orchas it was a good day by ice cube
valin771 10 months ago
his jumpshot is almost as beautiful as ray allens technique wise
bushman619 10 months ago
lol oscar robertson look like pele
leonard147 11 months ago
tyreke evans is the next
everbanega922 11 months ago
what song?
jordpaul 11 months ago
@jordpaul
Ice Cube - it was a good day
Paragon231 11 months ago
the 60s players are alot shorter and weaker than wilt, the competetion are way weaker than today and that's why he can have those number, just like yao minq when he was in china but wjhen yao come to a stronqer nba era, he wasn't as dominatinq as he was in china and that's the proof there. so if wilt and oscar come to this era of nba they ain't have those crazy numbers.
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072 your right they wont have those crazy numbers they will have crazier numbers.
MrIamabitch 11 months ago
@MrIamabitch no, they won't.
rason20072 11 months ago
@rason20072 yes they will these are legends not players.
MrIamabitch 11 months ago
@MrIamabitch so, a weak era make them leqends, just so doubtful
rason20072 11 months ago
@rason20072 People make that argument all the time; that it was easy to make those numbers because the players weren't as good, or they were short, or they were unathletic, or whatever. But how come nobody else made those numbers if it was so easy back then? To tell the truth, I saw all those guys play; I think the only significant difference between the greats of today vs. back then was a matter of playing style. Don't confuse flashy with athleticism.
buckfan1969 7 months ago 11
@buckfan1969 Yea you know in 50 short years human beings as a species have evolved physically, we have the bowflex now so we are clearly superior to anything that come before us... what a joke of an argument
noelh98 7 months ago
@buckfan1969 i agree it was bout fundaments bak then i would take that over some behind the back layup any day
nekaneka11 3 months ago
@buckfan1969 Noboby saying it was easy, their saying he couldn't do it today. Secondly he would have to play the game completley differently too today, and he would be under a lot more pressure to make those jumpers for example. We are talking about athleticism too. Just compare the rebound footage between now and then. It's laughable.
Humanrightsforall1 2 months ago
now, yawn is wronq aqain about chamberlain, swede halbrook is a tall player but he is also a very sucky player, there's a difference bewteen the level of olajuwon and brain scalabrine or robert horry, since if even if you are tall you could also be sucky too, and when you are sucky like that then even if you are tall, you still won't be dominatinq, like swede halbrook, he is sucky, but my point is most players in the 60s are alot shorter than wilt and that's why he can have those numbers
rason20072 1 year ago
and that's why yawn r wronq about maqic since yawn said he has the better stats, while jordan has it more, look, i am not even usinq maqic's point averaqed season, i used his best point season to compare to jordan's normal season averaqe....because prime jordan's score averaqed will be even qreater than 32 points, so i am not even usinq that, i am only usinq jordan's normal score averaqe to compare to maqic's score averaqe in maqic's hiqhest score.
rason20072 1 year ago
the most point maqic score in a season was the 1986 season and he averaqed 24 points, and he played 38 minutes, so you can't say that he wasn't used as much as jordan in hithis season, because jordan was used about 39 minutes in his most seasons and he averaqed around 31 to 32 points.....so 32-24 is 8, and 8 is the exact number of maqic's rebound number and assist number which is more than jordan, remember maqic has 2 more rebounds and 6 more assist so 2plus 6 is 8, jordan's point cancel out
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072 jordan's point cancel out maqic's rebound and assist stats, because jordan has 8 more point averaqed in most seasons than maqic and maqic also has 8 more rebounds and assist stats comnbined better than jordan, so jordan's point cancel out maqic's rebound and assist stats, but the remain factor is jordan has the better defense, he has much better steal stats and block stats than maqic, and that's why jordan is the overall better player, and that's why yawn r wronq about maqic has bet
rason20072 1 year ago
jordan is the much better players than maqic, jordan in his prime has 8 rebounds and his other years has like 6.6 to 7 rebounds, maqic rebounds stats in his years were around 7.5 to 9.5, he has only like 2 rebounds more than jordan in most of the years, not really a sqnificant difference, maqic's assist stats in his prime was around 12 and jordan was around 6, so 6 more than jordan, 2 more rebound plus 6 more assist is 8, but jordan has atleast 10 more points averaqe than maqic in his prime.
rason20072 1 year ago
because the chinese players are alot shorter and weaker than yao, just like players in the 60s are alot shorter and weaker than wilt, that's why yao was able to dominate the entire china leaque like how wilt dominated the 60s....but when yao come to a stronqer era in the nba he couldn't dominate it like how he did to china leaque, and that's the proof there of why wilt and oscar will be less dominatinq if he was in today's leaque, they ain't qonna have those crazy stats.
rason20072 1 year ago
so, when yao come to a stronqer era like the nba, with stronqer and faster and taller players to compete with him, then he become less dominatinq than he was in china......because when he was in china he used to be like wilt chamberlain in the 60s, but he can't do it in a stronqer era of the nba, so that's the proof there of why wilt and oscar wouldn't be that dominate if they were in today's era......the pace of the qame in 60s were way different compare to todays.
rason20072 1 year ago
have you seen yao minq dominate the china basketball leaque.....the way yao dominate china was just like wilt dominated the 60s......but when yao come to the stronqer nba, he become less dominatinq. because the chinese players are alot shortetr than yao, just like players in 60s are shorter than wilt, and chinese players are also weaker than yao, just like the 60s players are alot weaker than wilt, so when yao come to a stronqer era like the nba with faster and stronqer and taller players, he
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072: Wrong again.
Wilt Was 7'1" the year of his 100 pt. game he was the third tallest center in the league. If it really was an issue of him being taller then why wasn't a guy like Swede Halbrook (7'3") averaging over 6 pts a game. He was 2 inches taller than Wilt but averaged about 25 per game less than Wilt, so you can't just say that Wilt got those numbers cause the league was shorter because it really wasn't.
Biswalt 1 year ago
@Biswalt no, yawn r very wronq....jordan did have better mid shot, check basketball-reference, a site contain all players' performances in different cateqory, even include outside and inside shot fq, the reason why maqic has the better fq is beacuse he has the better inside, but outside is belonq to jordan, you can ask anyone in this world they will tell you that jordan has the better jumper than maqic, his fadeaway jumper was reqarded as the best move, ahead of hakeem's dream shake.
rason20072 1 year ago
his prime stat was 32.5pts, 8reb, 8ast, 2.9steal, 0.8 blocks.......
he actually has more blocks than maqic over his years of prime.
but you said maqic has more block than him, i don't qet it.
jordan was obviously the most dominate player ever in his prime.
wilt and oscar's era were way weaker and slower.
rason20072 1 year ago
so, if wilt and oscar have to compete with taller players and faster and stronqer players then they wouldn't have those averaqe, and also the qame in the 60s, the pace of the qame in 60s were way different than today's pace.
rason20072 1 year ago
he couldn't sinqle handedly dominate the entire nba, like how he dominated china......because the chinese basketball leaque was as slow as the 60s and they were also as weak as the 60s, and that is why he can do that to them and alot of the players in china are shorter than yao, just like the players in the 60s are shorter than wilt that's why when yao come to the nba he wasn't as dominate as he was in china leaque.
rason20072 1 year ago
have you seen yao minq dominated china's basketball leaqure, the way yao dominate china was just like wilt dominated the 60s........but when yao come to the stronqer leaque, the stronqer era like the nba, he wasn't as dominated as he was in china. he couldn't sinqle handedly dominated the entire nba like hoe he dominate china...like how he dominated china......that's the proof there if wilt and oscar come to this era, they wouldn't be as much dominate as in the 60s era.
rason20072 1 year ago
Great video. Ice Cube brings back fond memories of my youth as well.
LetsPlayStarcraft 1 year ago
no, you didn't make.....yawn didn't make any point here.......since jordan was qreatest, then even if russell has win more rinqs but still jordan will still be count as better reqardless of rinqs, and also, do you honestly think wilt will averaqe 50, 20, 20 and 6st and 10 blocks in this era........hell no, oscar will also not be averaqinq 35, 11, 12 in this era as a season
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072: Neither would Jordan. One of the primary reason that he's regarded as the greatest is that he was a threat from everywhere on the court. But that's only partly true. He shot very well from behind the arc... from 95-96 to 97-98 when the league toyed with shortening the 3 point line. With the standard 22'9" line he actually shoots slightly BELOW average.
Biswalt 1 year ago
@rason20072: Additionally, Jordan like most players got better as more talent was surrounding him because it loosened his game up. The big O put up his best numbers when he was unequivocally the star of the team. That's unusual, and it's proof that Oscar Robertson was making plays happen.
You should also look at how much more dominant he was than other players of the era. For example he average 11.4 Assists one year. League average was 2.7 for all players who played all 80 games.
Biswalt 1 year ago
@Biswalt first of all, if yawn think jordan's prime was in 1996, then yawn is wronq.....jordan's prime was in 1988, 1996 was his droppinq stat. jordan reqarded as qraetest is because not only that he has rinqs but he also has the most dominate performance ever seen, so even if russell has more rinqs he still not as nice as jordan. your leaque stat sheet is irrevelant because the 60's era were way slower and weaker than today's, wilt and osacr wouldn't have those crazy number in today. too stronq
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072: He doesn't have the most dominant performance though. He's literally not even the best of his era because he played against Magic Johnson who had a much better complete game (shoots better across board than Jordan, more rebs, more assists, more blks, less fouls). But NEITHER Jordan or Magic Johnson holds a flame to either Oscar Robertson OR Wilt Chamberlain. And Chamberlain was so dominant it's ridiculous.
Biswalt 1 year ago
@rason20072: Chamberlain's so dominant he's the only other guy than jordan to average 30.1 pts for a career. He's one of only 2 guys to average over 20 boards a game for a career, the other being Bill Russell. During the year's Wilt played most other NBA players were averaging 6 boards a game, he was averaging just under 3 times that much. And it's not that he played in a less dominant era, that's a marketing myth. Wilt played against Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and out rebounded him by 3-4 a game
Biswalt 1 year ago
@rason20072: Lastly, the game really wasn't slower than it is now, that's a myth as well. The athlete's are probably slower in the 60s because of advancements in training and nutrition, etc. But the game was averaging about 10 more possessions than games in the 90s were, which is why rebounds were higher in the 1960s, but the increase in rebounds alone can't account for getting over 20 per game, because Chamerblain was getting more than the 10 extra possessions and doubling it. VERY DOMINANT
Biswalt 1 year ago
@Biswalt you obviously didn't read what i wrote and didn't understand me........jordan's performance was way better than anyone, even better than maqic, you said maiqc shoot better acoross board than jordan, how is that truth, jordan shoot better than maqic, his amazinq fadeaway jumper was reqarded as the most devastsatinq attack move of all time, and he has better clutch, better mid ranqe jumper than maqic, better speed and drive and better defense, he averaqed more rebound than maqic in prime
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072:
WTF???
Jordan shot 2s at 50%. Johnson shot at 52%. Both shot 3s at the same rate when playing with the 22'9" line. And Johnson hit better FTs too at 85% vs. Jordan's 83%
Johnson also outrebounded, outblocked, and got more assists per Jordan.
The Jordan is best argument is a result of pure marketing in the 90s after Bird was having backspasms and Johnson retired, because Johnson WAS the best and the NBA needed to hype what was remaining... Jordan.
Biswalt 1 year ago
@Biswalt yawn is wronq, you didn't make....yawn didn't make sense and yawn r incorrect...jordan shoot mid ranqe shot at 50 percent, but maqic shoot mid ranqe at 48 percent, but maqic has better inside shot percent than jordan, that's why he has a better fq percent, because his inside was better. but outside, belonq to jordan....jordan also has 8 rebound in his prime as much as maqic and he has better defense than maqic, check his steal stats and block stats, he has them better, and better points
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072: Whatever. I'm going to try this once more.
1. Where did you arrive at the Jordan shoots midrange jumpers at 50%. Jordan's overall FG% (including dunks was only 50%, and since he made nearly EVERY dunk he attempted his actual FG shooting would HAVE TO BE lower than 50%.
2. Where did you get the "mid-range" shooting percentage from since that's not a stat that ANYONE actually tracks!
Biswalt 1 year ago
@rason20072
3. Jordan did not rebound the same as Magic. Jordan had 1 year where he got over 8 rebs/game. 1! Magic had 3 over 8 and 7 over secen with one year being nearly 10! That's MUCH better than Jordan.
I'll concede the steals (as I never claimed otherwise, but as to the blocks, Jordan did have the better stats ... I was wrong on that, going from memory on that one, but still both had less than a blk a game so it's negligble.
Biswalt 1 year ago
@rason20072:
Lastly, Jordan DOES have more points but he also played 2 more seasons and averaged 1.6 more minutes/game than Magic did. Plus Phil Jackson would have him play for stats by playing the full 82 game season instead of benching him like the Lakers did with Magic. If Magic had been used like Jordan he would have had a much better complete game
So pick and choose all your cherry picked stats all you want as unbiasedly as possible Magic had better overall numbers. It's a fact.
Biswalt 1 year ago
Players in the 60's 70's couldn't have put up as big of a numbers as they did in the Jordan era Wilt wouldn't have avged nearly 25 rpg and Oscar wouldn't have avg a triple double. Im not saying they would of been shit just saying they wouldnt have avg as much
God11Like 1 year ago
@God11Like: Here'sleague averages are forALL NBA starters for:
1961-62 (O's Trip-Dub year): 14.7 pts, 2.7 assists, and 8 reb on 44% shooting.
1995-96 (Prime Jordan): 16.9 pts, 3.9 assts, 6 reb on 47% 2pt shooting and 37% 3 point shooting!
The Big O averaged: 30.8 pts, 11.4 assists, 12.5 boards and was shooting at almost 48%
Jordan avg'd: 30.4, 4.3 assts, 6.6 ren and was shooting 2s @ 49.5% and 3s @ 42.7%.
The significance is that Big O's #s are more dominant vs. league.
Biswalt 1 year ago
He played With Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (№33) in '68-'69 season
Daniel14Jackson 1 year ago
even so i still think he could have been dominant in jordans era
Akok98 1 year ago
so you didn't make the point on now
rason20072 1 year ago
look, not even jordan in his prime could averaqe 35, 11, 12 a season that must meansomethinq is wronq with oscar's era, that must mean somethinq is wronq with osacr's era and competition.
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072 You're making the baseless assumption that because his numbers were better his era was weaker.
mS28811 1 year ago
@mS28811 because not even jordan could averaqe that number you know...not even the prime jordan could averaqe those crazy number, so you know that must be somethinq wronq with his era, since jordan was qreatest
rason20072 1 year ago
@rason20072 Again....baseless assumption that because his numbers were better his era was weaker. Not every player can be compared to Michael Jordan. He won 6 championships, ok fine, but Russell won 11, Chamberlain averaged 50 ppg one season and 20 something rebounds. They never played together so you can't possibly know.
mS28811 1 year ago
@mS28811 no, you didn't make.....yawn didn't make any point here.......since jordan was qreatest, then even if russell has win more rinqs but still jordan will still be count as better reqardless of rinqs, and also, do you honestly think wilt will averaqe 50, 20, 20 and 6st and 10 blocks in this era........hell no, oscar will also not be averaqinq 35, 11, 12 in his era as a season.
rason20072 1 year ago
*Respect*
What's the song?
aashuiamnext 1 year ago
Kobe got that baseline jumper from Oscar ohhhhhhh so sweet. Appreicate this game fuck your stats. Love the Game its beautiful.
RTR9 1 year ago
Imagine if he had more years w/ Kareem, they would have been a problem
ABauersMusic 1 year ago
only player to average a tripe double throughout an entire season
ryanhopfensperger 1 year ago
Highlight reels don't do O justice. His bread and butter was getting his man on the baseline, getting him up in the air, then making the fadeaway or hitting a man cutting to the basket. A typical game for O was 10-12 FG's, 11-12 FT's, and 10-12 assists. Probably more 3 point plays than anyone. The 60's didn't have the flash & bling of today, and people confuse that with talent level. You had to see him play to appreciate his greatness. I consider myself fortunate to have grown up seeing it
buckfan1969 1 year ago
i laugth a lot of this video i mean common they dont know to how to dunk a modern dunk and they dont know how to dribble a ball like a crossover this guys dont know how to play
glenness2323 1 year ago
@glenness2323 It's hard to relate if ya ain't a older guy like me... to see the difference of those days vs. now, you have to know, there are no 'skills rules' today. If these guys look stiff, it's because the rule was if your hand moved off the top of the ball, you got a whistle. & they were STRICT about it.
Same thing with traveling. If a guy took more than 2 steps, he walked - period.
Assists were by the book too. None of this unimpeded to the basket stuff.
If you took 1 dribble - no dime
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0 Well said!
buckfan1969 1 year ago
song??????????
ryanhopfensperger 1 year ago
@ryanhopfensperger ice cube good day
9tails23 1 year ago
no disrespect to the big O during his time period and all his greatness, but he would've got slaughtered in todays game.
bryandeezy 1 year ago
@bryandeezy: How do you figure that?!? The biggest factor is being a great player is actually to be a great scorer. Oscar shot 48.5% Kobe has shot 45% from 2. Oscar is the better scorer it's really that simple.
League average shooting in 1974 (O's last year) was 46%. in 2010 it's 46%. Shooting hasn't really gotten harder, so at the end of the day I've got to go with shooting % and O beats Kobe hands down
Biswalt 1 year ago