Airbus sucks. ... a peculiar feature of the Airbus’s cockpit layout. Unlike a Boeing jet, in which one pilot’s movement of the control yoke moves the other pilot’s yoke as well, an Airbus features “asynchronous” controls, meaning that moving one control doesn’t cause the other to move as well.First officer Bonin’s colleagues probably never knew that he had the controls all the way back perhaps because they never imagined that any certified airline pilot could engage in such a misguided response.
It's easy to predict the so called cause will be found when an Airbus product is involved; every investigation seems to be a blind quest to blame the pilots. Yes, I am a pilot, and becoming disoriented over water at night because your instruments failed is not pilot error.
@rsattahip Right on! The Autopilot ditched the pilots.Zero visibility; not knowing which instruments were trustworthy (if any!); and somehow the pilot's recorded comment "I have no control" is disregarded. Blaming pilots is a business and legal manuever.
@rsattahip I've read the transcripts and it WAS pilot error. The least experienced pilot of the crew took control and stalled the plane THREE times and ignored alarming sounds of stalling! If he would have stopped pulling the second time, they still had a chance of recovery. But before anyone blames Bonin, the Copilot responsible, you have to blame Air France for putting him into that cockpit without enough experience. And blame both other more experienced pilots for not communicating enough.
Billions too much to bring planes to cutting edge technology?
OK, then, just let me know when the plane has unfit speed sensors (scheduled for repair but not yet), that we are headed in to a 250 mile-wide thunder storm with treacherous winds, that the Autopilot cannot handle frozen Pitot tubes, that the Autopilot fails when things go wrong....
Then, I will come back another day--in daylight, in good weather, and it a plane run by a responsible airline.
To a trusting passenger, questions of common sense beg for answers. It seems technology is now far beyond that of this aircraft. Better sensors for airspeed, instant communications to super computers on land to pinpoint the problems, improved wing design to eliminate those sudden and harrowing moments from loss of wing lift, immediate computer-based analysis that tells pilots what they are doing wrong or omitting. This crash resulted in $ 100's millions--plenty to accomplish better planes.
@normanjtongmd Retooling older aircraft would cost billions. For the sake of commonality among aircraft families, much of the control equipment is carried across product lines.
@aizad3755 No disrespect but that doesnt make them qualified engineers in the manufacturing of the A330's? There could be a fault but would pilots be able to spot it? thats like expecting Ayrton Senna to know if he had an oil leak??? Or am i wrong?
if you read the transcript the cause of the accident seems to be one of the co-pilots actions. who kept pulling the nose of the plane up. clearly these pilots were undertrained and overwelmed by the situation.
Read from a booklet to avoid a crash within 3 minutes? No! Use your ipad to connect with a vast library of technical information.A kid's Ipad is capable to analyzing the problem, producing a solution AND performing the necessary corrections AUTOMATICALLY!
Frozen Pitot tubes? The Autopilot could resume flight parameters preceding the freeze as a "safe mode." Those tubes date back more than a century! Use laser- doppler shift measurements and GPS. Modern A330? Baloney!
So this is yet ANOTHER crash where inappropriate response to a stall was the cause?
How many crashes have there been in total where the pilots pulled the nose up instead of pushing down, does anyone know? It seems this should be something that is seriously hammered home in training!
@AntheaFlattus find russian pulkovo 612, tried to climb over max altitude in order to pass thunderstorm. Nose was puled up all the way. Finaly on a max alt they caught aan air stream which took them about 1000 m. high within a few seconds. Then flat spin. Pulling nose up. NEVER recognised they are in a flat spin up to the moment 2000 m above the ground when they fall out of clouds. RIP 160 died
@normanjtongmd Because there were apparently conflicting air speed readings being fed to the computer so the pilots were getting messages from the computer that were at odds with each other.
@aizad3755 When the computer lost the speed sensor it goes from auto to manual control.
The system is not designed to tell the pilots how to fly a plane the pilots are supposed to know that and know better than a computer. In this case the most junior pilot acted like a dumbass and killed everyone. If communication was better the other 2 pilots may have been able to catch the junior pilots errors.
@utoober905 The least experienced of the pilots had the control allocated to him. He kept pulling the nose up while the other pilot kept trying to push it down without realizing that it was the junior pilot who had the controls!!
In my humble ill informed opinion the history of Aviation Accidents and Incidents is caused by a series of LITTLE errors that all line up at once. I have been involved in a few deaths and injuries and the most TOXIC causes relate to GREED. Dead bodies are just "The cost of doing business".
Perhaps Accountants will STOP running the planet and let someone else have a go.
If What you are doing is NOT working STOP DOING IT.
PLEASE DO NOT personally ATTACK me for my comments. I've had 14 years HELL
@aizad3755: what the hell has your answer to do with my comment about the responsibility and qualifikation of Air France and its pilots??? Just look into the newer history: 1988 A320 -pilot error, 2005 A340 in Toronto-pilot error, 2011 NY A380 -pilot error. rammed a CJ700 aeroplane while taxiing (!!!!!!!!!!), in total 149 incidents with plane and live losses since founding the airline. Any more questions????
Give these pilots a break! There are far too many factors that are unanswered. Did a bolt snap, did a critical hydraulic line burst, did a servo fail, did a computer malfunction, did a lethal down or horizontal draft slam the plane? If it was simply frozen pitot tubes, planes would be falling out of the sky, right and left. I say a catastrophic event triggered a cascade of problems that doomed that flight. These pilots were not inept!
@aizad3755 Sorry...it might be a stupid question: you said "situational awareness" but wasn't the altimeter telling them that they were basically in free fall?? would not that be a first sign of the plane being in stall...?
@aizad3755 The most junior pilot was doing something stupid (trying to climb) the other pilots did not know this because they did not ask and the joysticks are independent and the junior had lead control. The other 2 did not figure out or suspect the junior would do something so stupid.
@normanjtongmd Actually we know that none of that happened. The FDR and CVR were found and all. The speed disagree lasted 55 seconds, the plane did exactly what it was supposed to. These pilots crashed a perfectly fine airplane for no good reason. Fact.
@normanjtongmd This plane crashed because of defective Aibus Pitot Tubes that froze and could not send the airpeed to the A330 computer so it stalled. Airbus is cheap with parts and this is fourht Aibus to crash because of defective Pitot Tubes. However paid French Aviation Board to call it pilot error. The tail on this plane snapped off and The French Pilots Union have condemned the A330 as a dangerous airplane and some pilot refuse to fly it because its an Airbus piece of shit with two wings!
Mechanical sabotage could be a factor. If a team of mechanics were involved they could even falsify paperwork and do horrible things. Security is too slack at airport maintenance hangers. YOU have no idea who could be working there
Three pilots were unable to identify the critical problems and to produce the solution within the crucial two minutes. Twenty four error messages and conflicting speed data? The autopilot shut down when they most needed a computer-driven diagnostic
and immediate computer-driven correction. Where is the GPS-based backup to pitot tubes?
To much electronic high tech ain`t good. I love Boing as I also do old american cars! Keep it simple save and reliable. Boing 707 one of most beautifull planes ever. Wow what a sound when on full thrust
I am verry sorry to say but strangely Air France was involved in many such mysterious accidents before. If I was an important Air France board member I would start to ask myself if my pilots are really that qualified and my planes are really safe. This is not a question of honor or pride. It is a question of responsibility when you transport people from one point to another...
@labailaoraloca There is no difference between new airbuses and boeings: the same type of autopilot and fly-by-wire controls and electronics are installed on both. You know nothing about airplanes yet you comment, fucking moron.
Second: Boeing has had more crashes in total and per planes delivered than airbus.
So stop talking out of your ass Boeings are great planes but in no way superior or perfect. Same goes for Airbus.
I was so scared when I found out about this! Every year I go to Rio by this route, so it could have been me sitting on that plane.. Scares the shit out of me, when I think about it
@sims24real Relax! The chances of this happening again on the same route are the same as any other aircraft flying in the world on any route! Aircraft transportation is still the safest way to travel.
@aizad3755 This has happened to three other A330s for some reason Airbus Pitot Tubes are defective and the pilots know this yet Airbus keeps the lid on the A330 defects. Also the tail fell off this plane and it was intact. A330s have a contract clause that to much use of Tail Rudder will cause the tail to snap off! What kind of morons build a plane like that and the buyers know. This happened to flight 587 in Brooklyn NY and killed every of Airbus blamed the pilot quoting the clause. Aibus Sucks
@labailaoraloca One big problem with automation is the complacency it produces in pilot training. While his was pilot error it should also be viewed as *training* error. Having a pilot who has no clue that you get out of a stall by diving, not by pulling up, was the cause of the crash. And trusting that automation will solve everything is, in turn, the cause of that poor training. When the automation fails (in this case because it had no pitot data), you need the pilot to know how to fly.
In my opinion Pilot error i belive they have flown in to big huge cummulus (hope the spelling is right iam not british) clouds properly horseshoe or gap and it has closed rapidly the highest priority avoid at all cost these are monsters 180mph wind,hails big as golfballs they shred every aircraft to piesces no problem happen before
@pepip1000 If that is the case then the 787 is going to be a troubled aircraft. However, I am quite certain that the use of composites in aircraft has been thoroughly tested.
Both Airbus and Boeing are highly reliable. We are afraid of flying only because we don't do it every day. Over 3000 people die in road traffic crashes every day but we're not scared of taking a taxi.
If this is the most sophisticated aircraft then why the hell didnt they think of this scenario to prevent it from happening
Computers again..Pilots i have talked to ALL hate them.A human can respond in some fashion to anything.A robot/computer has to be programmed to respond.lmfao..another F for technology.computers computers computers.
@koolbossjock Every modern airplane has computers and is flown most of time with autopilot controlled by computer. If this had been Boeing end would have been no different. Computer worked completely normally, its just pitot tubes that failed because of design error and every jet has those. In the end this was mostly pilot error. Pilot kept pulling nose up in stall situation that they did not realise.
The difference is that you can stall Boeing also when everything is working normally.
@koolbossjock And totally most pilots are not against computers. Computers reduce pilot workload very much and make flying much safer. Just look at crash statistics 60 years ago and compare amount of crashes to number of flying hours, then compare crash statistics today.
@Pvjinflight Yes, but if it was all automated and they failed, the pilots would have little hope. That is why I like Boeing better because the pilots do everything themselves.
@TheSGCGaming Its not all automated. You have autopilot like in Boeing, but you can fly Airbus manually just like Boeing. Pilot has just as big control over the plane as in Boeing as long as he/she stays inside safe zone. If pilot tries to overbank or stall the plane automatic system kicks in and prevents him from doing so if everything is working normally. In this accident because it had no airspeed data plane went to mood where pilot has full control over the airplane, kind of boeing mode.
@TheSGCGaming So basically as long as you fly plane like its meant to be flown you have full control over everything. I don´t see why pilot should have permission to stall and overbank the plane. Very many Boeings and other traditional airplanes without this protection have crashed for simply pilot overbanking/stalling the plane. I believe that Airbus technology has already saved hundreds of lives.
@Pvjinflight Yes, Airbus has shorter training because Boeing have to get there pilots taught so they won't stall or overbank. I think it's better because the pilot has more control and has been trained about stalls and overbanking but it's just my opinion. You like Airbus, but I like Boeing. It's a matter of opinion.
@TheSGCGaming Well Airbus pilots should have stall recovery training too for this kind of cases, but seems that Air France training is not exactly top quality...
@TheSGCGaming You're a fucking retard. There is no "automation" in any way that is out of the ordinary. Boeing uses the same type of autopilot and fly-by-wire controls. This alleged "automation" is a make-believe bullshit line by Boeing fantards and there are very few differences between airbus and boeing controls. The stick-control and anti-stall system is the only two real differences.
Fucking ignorant retards like you always commenting on these vids...
@Foxx1981 Excuse me? I'm retarded and ignorant because you say so? Absolutly not. Boeing has autopilot while in Airbus once the FMC is set, the aircraft will fly itself UNLESS I am thinking of a different Airbus. But I am retarded and ignorant because I might be wrong and you must know everything if you are calling me retarded. And I am ignorant? Yeah right, explain to me how.
@TheSGCGaming And you think that what, modern Boeings don't have an FMC? See there's the difference: I know, you think.
People that don't even bother to read up on a topic shouldn't even consider commenting based on nothing else but popular misonceptions and their own personal bias. So if you're scared of electronics and fly-by-wire I recommend you only fly old cessna props because Boeing and Airbus use the same type of systems, computers and controls.
Like I said: people are uneducated and just keep spewing out that Airbuses are somehow "automatic" when the truth is they're not and Boeing relies on the samy type of FMC and controls. A Boeing would have flown the AF442 route in the exact same way: with FMC and autopilot set.
If this is the most sophisticated aircraft then why the hell didnt they think of this scenario to prevent it from happening...? and let the electronics respond accordingly. This is soo moronic. Its the planes fault not the pilot.
@aizad3755 The pilot should never have left the plane in the hands of the least experienced pilot onboard knowing that they were entering a storm. The co-pilot panicked.
@aizad3755 Actually it was pilot error, the failure of air speed indicator wasn´t enough to cause the crash, the pilots commited an entire series of HUGE
@rdf7777 It was due to human error. The system repeatedly told them it was stalling, and yet they kept the nose at an upward angle due to a lack of communication - one was pulling up and the other down, which canceled each other out and kept the angle as it was as they fell to the ocean. The captain was taking a nap and two men who weren't experienced were flying.
@bennihana123 the stall warning started almost at the time of the speed loss and so may have been ignored by the crew at slow sppeds the aoa indicators are invalid
@rdf7777 And your comment about how this was planes fault shows that you know nothing about facts behind this accident. Only failure behind this crash was pitot tube failure. Without them autopilot and Airbus stall prevention cant get data from airspeed, so they naturally disconnect and give pilot full control, same would happen to Boeing autopilot too. Pilots did not follow normal procedures and pulled nose up in stall --> pilot error. Electronics worked just like they were meant to work.
@airplanes66 There is procedure where you need to adjust pitch and engine power to certain settings in case of speed data, settings that keep planes speed about the same. They did not follow that procedure, and then failed at detecting stall. Bad training I would say.
@rdf7777 They did think of the scenario, you know it. Even if the pitot tube was somehow blocked, in order to keep the plane flying, the pilots had to do one simple thing... which of course they didn't. They never paid attention to speed, they never kept the altitude, they didn't do anything at all but try to go up when plane was going down, so...
Not one airliner in existence can 100% survive flying into a storm. It shakes the plane completely violently and all bearings are lost. You can easily come out upside down and stall into the ocean.
@rdf7777 its a mix of both really although airbus wont admit it. the problem was originaly with the pitot probes which was known about. the pilots were never trained in high altitude situations. once the aircraft was stalled and with the pilots still seemingly unaware the stall warning revered so that as the pitch increased the warning stoped which is an absurd situation. it seems the pilots were unaware of what was happening during the dercent
@airplanes66 The fault lies with Air France and the pitot manufacturer Thales. Air Frances fault is not replacing the pitot tubes and training their pilots well enough for situations like these. If the pitot tubes had failed on say a B777 with the same pilots in the samt storm: the same accident would have happened.
@Foxx1981 If the pitot tubes had failed on say a B777 with the same pilots in the samt storm: the same accident would have happened. thats entirely hypothetical as no such event has happened on 777
@labailaoraloca To this day, Boeing makes the most reliable, the safest and the best designed airplanes. You can check all commercial line ups records for you take.
@alialimali Actually Boeing has far more crashes than Airbus under their belt. And the most reliable? That makes me laugh, they are just as reliable as anyone else at best, but Boeing has some rather nasty engineering mistakes like the faulty 737 PCU valve on the rudder
Hello guys, is this interesting movie available in french?
Thank you.
mayday92g 1 day ago
Airbus sucks. ... a peculiar feature of the Airbus’s cockpit layout. Unlike a Boeing jet, in which one pilot’s movement of the control yoke moves the other pilot’s yoke as well, an Airbus features “asynchronous” controls, meaning that moving one control doesn’t cause the other to move as well.First officer Bonin’s colleagues probably never knew that he had the controls all the way back perhaps because they never imagined that any certified airline pilot could engage in such a misguided response.
jimdep333 1 day ago
What triggers the stall warning? Rapid decline in altitude? Airspeed below a given rate? Erratic pitch or rolling?
normanjtongmd 4 days ago
I can't stand A330s.
MynameisElliott 4 days ago
since this was made the black box has been found
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Great Video's Man . Please Subscribe to me . I already Did . I was on this plane in 2007
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333hughesj 2 weeks ago
I do not think France pilot are qualified. Better fly Swiss.
beijingcentro 2 weeks ago
It's easy to predict the so called cause will be found when an Airbus product is involved; every investigation seems to be a blind quest to blame the pilots. Yes, I am a pilot, and becoming disoriented over water at night because your instruments failed is not pilot error.
rsattahip 2 weeks ago
@rsattahip Right on! The Autopilot ditched the pilots.Zero visibility; not knowing which instruments were trustworthy (if any!); and somehow the pilot's recorded comment "I have no control" is disregarded. Blaming pilots is a business and legal manuever.
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@rsattahip I've read the transcripts and it WAS pilot error. The least experienced pilot of the crew took control and stalled the plane THREE times and ignored alarming sounds of stalling! If he would have stopped pulling the second time, they still had a chance of recovery. But before anyone blames Bonin, the Copilot responsible, you have to blame Air France for putting him into that cockpit without enough experience. And blame both other more experienced pilots for not communicating enough.
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333hughesj 2 weeks ago
Billions too much to bring planes to cutting edge technology?
OK, then, just let me know when the plane has unfit speed sensors (scheduled for repair but not yet), that we are headed in to a 250 mile-wide thunder storm with treacherous winds, that the Autopilot cannot handle frozen Pitot tubes, that the Autopilot fails when things go wrong....
Then, I will come back another day--in daylight, in good weather, and it a plane run by a responsible airline.
normanjtongmd 2 weeks ago
To a trusting passenger, questions of common sense beg for answers. It seems technology is now far beyond that of this aircraft. Better sensors for airspeed, instant communications to super computers on land to pinpoint the problems, improved wing design to eliminate those sudden and harrowing moments from loss of wing lift, immediate computer-based analysis that tells pilots what they are doing wrong or omitting. This crash resulted in $ 100's millions--plenty to accomplish better planes.
normanjtongmd 3 weeks ago
@normanjtongmd Retooling older aircraft would cost billions. For the sake of commonality among aircraft families, much of the control equipment is carried across product lines.
aizad3755 2 weeks ago
This was posted on my birthday <3!!
ms3doorsdown 3 weeks ago
@ms3doorsdown Wow!
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
Ice in Pitot tubes...how about ice covering the wings or ice in the fuel causing decreased thrust?
normanjtongmd 3 weeks ago
@normanjtongmd The engines were running at 100% power. Aircraft speed went down because the pilot climbed too quickly.
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
How do you guys know so much about the A330's???
MrGW1980 3 weeks ago
@MrGW1980 Some of the guys are pilots
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
@aizad3755 No disrespect but that doesnt make them qualified engineers in the manufacturing of the A330's? There could be a fault but would pilots be able to spot it? thats like expecting Ayrton Senna to know if he had an oil leak??? Or am i wrong?
MrGW1980 2 weeks ago
never fly airchange i mean airfrance
BeekEdwinVan 3 weeks ago
@BeekEdwinVan ok
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
it didnt 'vanish into thin air.' it crashed.
Samc123456 3 weeks ago
@Samc123456 On the radar
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
It passed the Bermuda Triangle.
6568195 4 weeks ago
if you read the transcript the cause of the accident seems to be one of the co-pilots actions. who kept pulling the nose of the plane up. clearly these pilots were undertrained and overwelmed by the situation.
jsb3287 4 weeks ago
@jsb3287 Overwhelmed and badly disoriented
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
rio de janeiro no nordeste????
kidgrandao 1 month ago
Flying dinosaurs!
Read from a booklet to avoid a crash within 3 minutes? No! Use your ipad to connect with a vast library of technical information.A kid's Ipad is capable to analyzing the problem, producing a solution AND performing the necessary corrections AUTOMATICALLY!
Frozen Pitot tubes? The Autopilot could resume flight parameters preceding the freeze as a "safe mode." Those tubes date back more than a century! Use laser- doppler shift measurements and GPS. Modern A330? Baloney!
normanjtongmd 1 month ago
@normanjtongmd Pitot tubes will be replaced with something newer in about thirty or so years.
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
is it just me or is it always air france?
spectrum069 1 month ago 11
@spectrum069 It is just you
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
I just started watching and already they showed an A330 in the new livery when it was in the old bolder text livery but that's all so far haha
ChainChomp2 1 month ago
So this is yet ANOTHER crash where inappropriate response to a stall was the cause?
How many crashes have there been in total where the pilots pulled the nose up instead of pushing down, does anyone know? It seems this should be something that is seriously hammered home in training!
AntheaFlattus 1 month ago
@AntheaFlattus Spatial disorientation
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
@AntheaFlattus find russian pulkovo 612, tried to climb over max altitude in order to pass thunderstorm. Nose was puled up all the way. Finaly on a max alt they caught aan air stream which took them about 1000 m. high within a few seconds. Then flat spin. Pulling nose up. NEVER recognised they are in a flat spin up to the moment 2000 m above the ground when they fall out of clouds. RIP 160 died
alecfromelatvia 1 week ago
@sims24real Me too. This happend a month before I traveled too Rio de Janeiro :-(
aerobanana1111 1 month ago
@aerobanana1111 Lucky you!
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
Why didn't the computer tell the pilots what they were doing wrong?
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normanjtongmd 1 month ago
@normanjtongmd Because there were apparently conflicting air speed readings being fed to the computer so the pilots were getting messages from the computer that were at odds with each other.
chuzzwozzer 1 month ago
@normanjtongmd The computer did not have enough parameters to "tell" what was going on
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
@aizad3755 When the computer lost the speed sensor it goes from auto to manual control.
The system is not designed to tell the pilots how to fly a plane the pilots are supposed to know that and know better than a computer. In this case the most junior pilot acted like a dumbass and killed everyone. If communication was better the other 2 pilots may have been able to catch the junior pilots errors.
utoober905 2 weeks ago
@utoober905 The least experienced of the pilots had the control allocated to him. He kept pulling the nose up while the other pilot kept trying to push it down without realizing that it was the junior pilot who had the controls!!
aizad3755 2 weeks ago
@aizad3755 This is why I'm so glad American aircraft still have linked yokes.
KhanIndustries 2 weeks ago
no the computer out smarted them. The nose goes up watch Fly By Wire videos.
GroceryGame1981 1 month ago
National Geographic Air Investigation program
GroceryGame1981 1 month ago
seb92ify, uhm, the international language of flight communication is ENGLISH. not FRENCH...
zx122982685 1 month ago
Air France planes were computerized in 1988 not the pilots fault Air Bus 320 and 330 have crashed. They need to go back to pilots flying the plane.
GroceryGame1981 1 month ago
May God bless you..
intaraify 1 month ago
Does it exists in French please ?
seb92ify 1 month ago
@seb92ify I am afraid not.
aizad3755 1 month ago
@aizad3755 damn =(
seb92ify 1 month ago
@seb92ify try BBC or National Geographic
GroceryGame1981 1 month ago
@seb92ify Yes La Plane go dan le Ocean.. Pacque Air France sucks.
Dorisequador 1 month ago
@seb92ify
can't you understand it or something?
MCL2P 1 month ago
@MCL2P Sure I can but not all...
seb92ify 1 month ago
Read these links:
af447.typepad.com
kimon1977 1 month ago
@normanjtongmd i agree!
Theroyalbitch126 1 month ago
In my humble ill informed opinion the history of Aviation Accidents and Incidents is caused by a series of LITTLE errors that all line up at once. I have been involved in a few deaths and injuries and the most TOXIC causes relate to GREED. Dead bodies are just "The cost of doing business".
Perhaps Accountants will STOP running the planet and let someone else have a go.
If What you are doing is NOT working STOP DOING IT.
PLEASE DO NOT personally ATTACK me for my comments. I've had 14 years HELL
baronvonaqua 1 month ago
@aizad3755: what the hell has your answer to do with my comment about the responsibility and qualifikation of Air France and its pilots??? Just look into the newer history: 1988 A320 -pilot error, 2005 A340 in Toronto-pilot error, 2011 NY A380 -pilot error. rammed a CJ700 aeroplane while taxiing (!!!!!!!!!!), in total 149 incidents with plane and live losses since founding the airline. Any more questions????
Faier07 1 month ago
@Faier07 According to Air Transport Rating Agency (ATRA), the safest Airline in 2011 was Air France.
aizad3755 1 month ago
@aizad3755 bull pooop I won't fly a computerized plane
GroceryGame1981 1 month ago
@GroceryGame1981 Almost all commercial jet aircraft manufactured after the 1990's are computerized
aizad3755 3 weeks ago
@Faier07 pilot error computer error don't fly Air Bus 320 or 330
GroceryGame1981 1 month ago
Give these pilots a break! There are far too many factors that are unanswered. Did a bolt snap, did a critical hydraulic line burst, did a servo fail, did a computer malfunction, did a lethal down or horizontal draft slam the plane? If it was simply frozen pitot tubes, planes would be falling out of the sky, right and left. I say a catastrophic event triggered a cascade of problems that doomed that flight. These pilots were not inept!
normanjtongmd 1 month ago
@normanjtongmd These pilots stalled and crashed the aircraft because they lost situational awareness and kept pulling the nose up during stall!
aizad3755 1 month ago 14
@aizad3755 Sorry...it might be a stupid question: you said "situational awareness" but wasn't the altimeter telling them that they were basically in free fall?? would not that be a first sign of the plane being in stall...?
dangerouswater 1 month ago
@aizad3755 The most junior pilot was doing something stupid (trying to climb) the other pilots did not know this because they did not ask and the joysticks are independent and the junior had lead control. The other 2 did not figure out or suspect the junior would do something so stupid.
utoober905 2 weeks ago
@utoober905 True.
aizad3755 2 weeks ago
@normanjtongmd Actually we know that none of that happened. The FDR and CVR were found and all. The speed disagree lasted 55 seconds, the plane did exactly what it was supposed to. These pilots crashed a perfectly fine airplane for no good reason. Fact.
k0nn0r 1 month ago
@normanjtongmd This plane crashed because of defective Aibus Pitot Tubes that froze and could not send the airpeed to the A330 computer so it stalled. Airbus is cheap with parts and this is fourht Aibus to crash because of defective Pitot Tubes. However paid French Aviation Board to call it pilot error. The tail on this plane snapped off and The French Pilots Union have condemned the A330 as a dangerous airplane and some pilot refuse to fly it because its an Airbus piece of shit with two wings!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
The crash was consistent with poor situational awareness on behalf of the pilots.
aizad3755 1 month ago
Mechanical sabotage could be a factor. If a team of mechanics were involved they could even falsify paperwork and do horrible things. Security is too slack at airport maintenance hangers. YOU have no idea who could be working there
210482fmj 1 month ago
@210482fmj The crash was consistent with poor situational awareness on behalf of the pilots.
aizad3755 1 month ago
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210482fmj 1 month ago
Off topic: The frenchs translations voice sounds like napoleon total war voice of napoleon lol
RIP to all that was in that flight
Prinsed27 2 months ago
Three pilots were unable to identify the critical problems and to produce the solution within the crucial two minutes. Twenty four error messages and conflicting speed data? The autopilot shut down when they most needed a computer-driven diagnostic
and immediate computer-driven correction. Where is the GPS-based backup to pitot tubes?
normanjtongmd 2 months ago
@normanjtongmd There was no GPS speed backup system on this particular aircraft.
aizad3755 1 month ago
To much electronic high tech ain`t good. I love Boing as I also do old american cars! Keep it simple save and reliable. Boing 707 one of most beautifull planes ever. Wow what a sound when on full thrust
satelite383 2 months ago
@satelite383 707 was definitely one of the greatest feats of aviation.
aizad3755 1 month ago
which program is this?
koelan 2 months ago
@koelan BBC
aizad3755 1 month ago
I am verry sorry to say but strangely Air France was involved in many such mysterious accidents before. If I was an important Air France board member I would start to ask myself if my pilots are really that qualified and my planes are really safe. This is not a question of honor or pride. It is a question of responsibility when you transport people from one point to another...
Faier07 2 months ago
@Faier07 Flying over water can be very unforgiving. Any malfunctioning major system is likely to cause serious threat to the aircraft.
aizad3755 1 month ago
@labailaoraloca There is no difference between new airbuses and boeings: the same type of autopilot and fly-by-wire controls and electronics are installed on both. You know nothing about airplanes yet you comment, fucking moron.
Second: Boeing has had more crashes in total and per planes delivered than airbus.
So stop talking out of your ass Boeings are great planes but in no way superior or perfect. Same goes for Airbus.
Foxx1981 2 months ago
I had a flight on June 1 2009 and it was creepy. My family thought it was the plane I was on. They thought I was dead.
FIFAflex1 2 months ago
@FIFAflex1 Lucky you!
aizad3755 1 month ago
@ABSDEFRD That didn't happen!
metalskateboarder965 2 months ago
I was so scared when I found out about this! Every year I go to Rio by this route, so it could have been me sitting on that plane.. Scares the shit out of me, when I think about it
sims24real 2 months ago
@sims24real Millions of passengers have flown this route without any major accident.
aizad3755 1 month ago
@sims24real Relax! The chances of this happening again on the same route are the same as any other aircraft flying in the world on any route! Aircraft transportation is still the safest way to travel.
aizad3755 1 month ago 4
@aizad3755 This has happened to three other A330s for some reason Airbus Pitot Tubes are defective and the pilots know this yet Airbus keeps the lid on the A330 defects. Also the tail fell off this plane and it was intact. A330s have a contract clause that to much use of Tail Rudder will cause the tail to snap off! What kind of morons build a plane like that and the buyers know. This happened to flight 587 in Brooklyn NY and killed every of Airbus blamed the pilot quoting the clause. Aibus Sucks
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@labailaoraloca One big problem with automation is the complacency it produces in pilot training. While his was pilot error it should also be viewed as *training* error. Having a pilot who has no clue that you get out of a stall by diving, not by pulling up, was the cause of the crash. And trusting that automation will solve everything is, in turn, the cause of that poor training. When the automation fails (in this case because it had no pitot data), you need the pilot to know how to fly.
dunbar9finger 2 months ago
I wish they made a Air Crash investigation/Mayday episode of this!
metalskateboarder965 2 months ago
@metalskateboarder965 YES! Omg that guy doing the animation and narrative would be amazing!:O
iJay842 1 month ago
In my opinion Pilot error i belive they have flown in to big huge cummulus (hope the spelling is right iam not british) clouds properly horseshoe or gap and it has closed rapidly the highest priority avoid at all cost these are monsters 180mph wind,hails big as golfballs they shred every aircraft to piesces no problem happen before
ABSDEFRD 2 months ago
Here's a pretty good breakdown of what happened during the crash
Basically, human error overrode all of the technology.
ColoradoCNC 2 months ago
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ColoradoCNC 2 months ago
@ColoradoCNC not quite the technolgy gave up as intended an unfortuently gave crew control when they were most confused
airplanes66 2 months ago
The co-pilot is a disgrace and murdered all those people.
livinglegend1187 2 months ago
@livinglegend1187 given that he wasnt aware the jet was stalled it wasnt his fault
airplanes66 2 months ago
composite parts brought this flight down, check out airbus faults. wil open your eyes up. ntsb casa are so corrupt its funny as :)
pepip1000 2 months ago
@pepip1000 If that is the case then the 787 is going to be a troubled aircraft. However, I am quite certain that the use of composites in aircraft has been thoroughly tested.
aizad3755 1 month ago
composite parts, tail snapped off. stick to aluminium u tight assws
pepip1000 2 months ago
@pepip1000 lol you dont even know what you're talking about. shut your mouth and try to save your face.
doomedarkness 2 months ago
best thing to watch the day before taking this same flight...
WilliamAztech 2 months ago
Rio de Janeiro is much more at south than showed in 14:38
broccabronson 3 months ago
@labailaoraloca
Both Airbus and Boeing are highly reliable. We are afraid of flying only because we don't do it every day. Over 3000 people die in road traffic crashes every day but we're not scared of taking a taxi.
jounihat 3 months ago 9
@jounihat Very true. It is the safest mode of transportation
aizad3755 2 months ago
If this is the most sophisticated aircraft then why the hell didnt they think of this scenario to prevent it from happening
Computers again..Pilots i have talked to ALL hate them.A human can respond in some fashion to anything.A robot/computer has to be programmed to respond.lmfao..another F for technology.computers computers computers.
koolbossjock 3 months ago
@koolbossjock Every modern airplane has computers and is flown most of time with autopilot controlled by computer. If this had been Boeing end would have been no different. Computer worked completely normally, its just pitot tubes that failed because of design error and every jet has those. In the end this was mostly pilot error. Pilot kept pulling nose up in stall situation that they did not realise.
The difference is that you can stall Boeing also when everything is working normally.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight not newer boeings like 7408 787 and 777
airplanes66 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight Very true.
aizad3755 1 month ago
@koolbossjock And totally most pilots are not against computers. Computers reduce pilot workload very much and make flying much safer. Just look at crash statistics 60 years ago and compare amount of crashes to number of flying hours, then compare crash statistics today.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight Yes, but if it was all automated and they failed, the pilots would have little hope. That is why I like Boeing better because the pilots do everything themselves.
TheSGCGaming 2 months ago
@TheSGCGaming Its not all automated. You have autopilot like in Boeing, but you can fly Airbus manually just like Boeing. Pilot has just as big control over the plane as in Boeing as long as he/she stays inside safe zone. If pilot tries to overbank or stall the plane automatic system kicks in and prevents him from doing so if everything is working normally. In this accident because it had no airspeed data plane went to mood where pilot has full control over the airplane, kind of boeing mode.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@TheSGCGaming So basically as long as you fly plane like its meant to be flown you have full control over everything. I don´t see why pilot should have permission to stall and overbank the plane. Very many Boeings and other traditional airplanes without this protection have crashed for simply pilot overbanking/stalling the plane. I believe that Airbus technology has already saved hundreds of lives.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight Yes, Airbus has shorter training because Boeing have to get there pilots taught so they won't stall or overbank. I think it's better because the pilot has more control and has been trained about stalls and overbanking but it's just my opinion. You like Airbus, but I like Boeing. It's a matter of opinion.
TheSGCGaming 2 months ago
@TheSGCGaming Well Airbus pilots should have stall recovery training too for this kind of cases, but seems that Air France training is not exactly top quality...
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight the traing was a industry problem not af
airplanes66 2 months ago
@TheSGCGaming You're a fucking retard. There is no "automation" in any way that is out of the ordinary. Boeing uses the same type of autopilot and fly-by-wire controls. This alleged "automation" is a make-believe bullshit line by Boeing fantards and there are very few differences between airbus and boeing controls. The stick-control and anti-stall system is the only two real differences.
Fucking ignorant retards like you always commenting on these vids...
Foxx1981 2 months ago
@Foxx1981 Excuse me? I'm retarded and ignorant because you say so? Absolutly not. Boeing has autopilot while in Airbus once the FMC is set, the aircraft will fly itself UNLESS I am thinking of a different Airbus. But I am retarded and ignorant because I might be wrong and you must know everything if you are calling me retarded. And I am ignorant? Yeah right, explain to me how.
TheSGCGaming 2 months ago
@TheSGCGaming And you think that what, modern Boeings don't have an FMC? See there's the difference: I know, you think.
People that don't even bother to read up on a topic shouldn't even consider commenting based on nothing else but popular misonceptions and their own personal bias. So if you're scared of electronics and fly-by-wire I recommend you only fly old cessna props because Boeing and Airbus use the same type of systems, computers and controls.
Foxx1981 2 months ago
@TheSGCGaming Here's an example, a document for you: courtesy of Boeing. They have information on the 777 FMC.
boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_22/aero_22.pdf
Like I said: people are uneducated and just keep spewing out that Airbuses are somehow "automatic" when the truth is they're not and Boeing relies on the samy type of FMC and controls. A Boeing would have flown the AF442 route in the exact same way: with FMC and autopilot set.
Foxx1981 2 months ago
@Foxx1981 Very true. Probably some people feel that a joystick control is a bit too much on a commercial aircraft.
aizad3755 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight Very right
aizad3755 1 month ago
@koolbossjock The pilots messed up an already dangerous situation by stalling the aircraft over water at night.
aizad3755 1 month ago
Sadly this has all the tell tale signs of a terrorist involvment.
210482fmj 3 months ago
@210482fmj Terrorism was ruled out during initial investigations
aizad3755 3 months ago
I still say there is too much focus on the use of carbon fiber in airbus...aluminum still is the best material.
doclambertdavid 3 months ago
@doclambertdavid 787 is almost completely made from non aluminum materials.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@doclambertdavid Are you a materials engineer? By your comment i guess not, so just save our ears from your bullshit
2129261184 2 months ago
@doclambertdavid Yeah, that's probably why Boeing is so proud of the vast use of composite materials in the dreamliner.
Harm10412 2 months ago
@doclambertdavid not always e.g first airliner comet aluminium blew apart
airplanes66 2 months ago
Wait. Is the accident report released yet?
KyuuA4 3 months ago
@KyuuA4 Not yet. Preliminary report was released some months ago.
aizad3755 3 months ago
@KyuuA4 The voice recorder transcript was just released. It's a thrilling read. In the truest sense of the word.
TheFaustianMan 2 months ago
If this is the most sophisticated aircraft then why the hell didnt they think of this scenario to prevent it from happening...? and let the electronics respond accordingly. This is soo moronic. Its the planes fault not the pilot.
rdf7777 3 months ago
@rdf7777 It was a combined system+pilot failure
aizad3755 3 months ago 2
@aizad3755 The pilot should never have left the plane in the hands of the least experienced pilot onboard knowing that they were entering a storm. The co-pilot panicked.
peaps 2 months ago
@aizad3755 Actually it was pilot error, the failure of air speed indicator wasn´t enough to cause the crash, the pilots commited an entire series of HUGE
2129261184 2 months ago
@2129261184 as has been explained elsewhere they werent train for high altitude manual control.
airplanes66 2 months ago
@aizad3755 *mistakes
2129261184 2 months ago
@rdf7777 It was due to human error. The system repeatedly told them it was stalling, and yet they kept the nose at an upward angle due to a lack of communication - one was pulling up and the other down, which canceled each other out and kept the angle as it was as they fell to the ocean. The captain was taking a nap and two men who weren't experienced were flying.
bennihana123 2 months ago
@bennihana123 the stall warning started almost at the time of the speed loss and so may have been ignored by the crew at slow sppeds the aoa indicators are invalid
airplanes66 2 months ago
@rdf7777 And your comment about how this was planes fault shows that you know nothing about facts behind this accident. Only failure behind this crash was pitot tube failure. Without them autopilot and Airbus stall prevention cant get data from airspeed, so they naturally disconnect and give pilot full control, same would happen to Boeing autopilot too. Pilots did not follow normal procedures and pulled nose up in stall --> pilot error. Electronics worked just like they were meant to work.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight there was no normal procedure they were taught in this senario
airplanes66 2 months ago
@airplanes66 There is procedure where you need to adjust pitch and engine power to certain settings in case of speed data, settings that keep planes speed about the same. They did not follow that procedure, and then failed at detecting stall. Bad training I would say.
Pvjinflight 2 months ago
@Pvjinflight Finally some intelligent comment.
2129261184 2 months ago
@rdf7777 They did think of the scenario, you know it. Even if the pitot tube was somehow blocked, in order to keep the plane flying, the pilots had to do one simple thing... which of course they didn't. They never paid attention to speed, they never kept the altitude, they didn't do anything at all but try to go up when plane was going down, so...
juanjillocr 2 months ago
@juanjillocr Even worse, the stall warning war triggered more than 50 times and not even once do they mention it. Clear pilot error on this one
2129261184 2 months ago
@rdf7777
Not one airliner in existence can 100% survive flying into a storm. It shakes the plane completely violently and all bearings are lost. You can easily come out upside down and stall into the ocean.
bubby963 2 months ago
@rdf7777 its a mix of both really although airbus wont admit it. the problem was originaly with the pitot probes which was known about. the pilots were never trained in high altitude situations. once the aircraft was stalled and with the pilots still seemingly unaware the stall warning revered so that as the pitch increased the warning stoped which is an absurd situation. it seems the pilots were unaware of what was happening during the dercent
airplanes66 2 months ago
@airplanes66 The fault lies with Air France and the pitot manufacturer Thales. Air Frances fault is not replacing the pitot tubes and training their pilots well enough for situations like these. If the pitot tubes had failed on say a B777 with the same pilots in the samt storm: the same accident would have happened.
Foxx1981 2 months ago
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@Foxx1981 If the pitot tubes had failed on say a B777 with the same pilots in the samt storm: the same accident would have happened. thats entirely hypothetical as no such event has happened on 777
airplanes66 2 months ago
@TheJJSG your a moron you dumbass.
mapleleafs8155 3 months ago
228! what a tragedy
prac2 3 months ago
@labailaoraloca To this day, Boeing makes the most reliable, the safest and the best designed airplanes. You can check all commercial line ups records for you take.
alialimali 3 months ago
@alialimali Ok, we get it, you're a Boeing fanboy
aspiringdrummer17 3 months ago
@alialimali Actually Boeing has far more crashes than Airbus under their belt. And the most reliable? That makes me laugh, they are just as reliable as anyone else at best, but Boeing has some rather nasty engineering mistakes like the faulty 737 PCU valve on the rudder
2129261184 2 months ago
.. HAARP . All these people because of HAARP-Project. And nobody is talking about that.
STARFOXPERIENCE 3 months ago