seal pups are not killed in canada since 84 so most of theses retards spreading there anti seal propoganda are spreading lies about canada again . if you wanna see cruelty look at the pigion shoots in penn or dog fights in cally or bull fighting in mexico or spain , all them animals are tossed in the trash after slowly being tourtured . we eat seal and use every single part of it. seals are not even close to endangered , and isnt shark fin soup legal in the usa , try looking that up , hippocrat
I've seen exactly how seals are killed. Seals are one of the only animals I've never seen killed "humanely".
Sealing is NOT highly regulated. The toxic chemicals used to preserve fur is NOT sustainable.
I understand your plight. We need better social services and opportunities for all. But it's inexcusable to murder, as a means for survival. Animals are not ours to exploit.
I mean, you talk about respect for the animal...while you're wearing fur and have a dead animal displayed on your wall.
@thestreetsempty Did you listen to a word she said? " we hunt for food, clothing and our local economies."
She says they use the animal to its fullest extent, that obviously involves using the pelts for clothing and / or ornamentation. they dont hunt the animals for fun, they do it because they must, are you suggesting they throw the pelts away so they do not upset sensitive people like you?
@cowboyfromkettins Do they NEED to hunt the animals? No. Therefore, they do hunt for "fun". It is not necessary. It's honoring tradition.
Would it be cool to say, "We use all of the babies/retarded people." ? Of course not. Seals are of the same level of intelligence or sentience as babies/retarded people. It isn't ok to hunt one species, so it isn't for another.
I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of extending sympathies to other species, but your psychopathy isn't my problem.
They do NEED to hunt seals as they do Narwhals, Greenland Sharks, walrus etc
This is because in the arctic circle where the Inuit live there is no possible way of growing crops like settled cultures do and thus no other way of procuring a food source. Also It stands to reason that the pelts etc that the Inuit do not use themselves should be sold or traded to benefit them further.
@cowboyfromkettins You're excusing a tradition that is unnecessary. Many people live in areas where there isn't fertile soil. They obtain resources, provided by social enterprises. It needs improvement.
Of course they aren't wasting the carcass. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying: human beings hold no dominion over other species. We have no right to exploit other animals for our convenience. They're SENTIENT BEINGS. Not products. Please, until you acknowledge this, there is no reasoning with you.
@thestreetsempty Im not talking about fertile soil. there is no soil full stop, food bearing plants do not grow there. the Inuit are so remote that shipping/flying fresh food to them is very difficult and when it gets there the prices are so inflated that they can barely afford them. these people have survived thousands of years taking what they need to survive from the land and sustainability has never been an issue. If there is a conservation issue it is not they who are to blame.
@cowboyfromkettins I agree the conservation should be about how they need to be provided with accessible resources and services, and that the fact that they are not is not their fault. But then, she should be advocating for that type of change - rather than holding on to the tradition of murder.
@thestreetsempty if sealing is a unnessasary tradition then so is fishing and cattle and chikens and pigs and the list goes on and on . for that matter why not stop drinking beer cuse we have prescriptions that do the same thing and why not get rid of our legs and use pedways instead . you have no concept of what the hell your saying , your just an eco nazi , you condem neone not like you or thinking like you . i belive thats called a fascist isnt it . we dont bother you so return the favor !
@sackville10 Legs are natural and necessary, transportation is a luxury. And we need to utilize greener alternatives to such transportation.
You're right: all of those things are also unnecessary and therefore should no longer be indulgences - given that they're unnecessary and cause massive amounts of suffering. Thanks for seeing my point.
@thestreetsempty go try saying that shit to a cattle farmer you asshat . your shoes are leather , the skin from a confined animal that spent most its life a slave for meat and its skin wading around in waste deep shit and you dare to condem natural hunting. seals are free and happy they mate with whom they want death for a seal is instant but death for a cow starts the day it is born so go fuck your hat . i eat cow more then seal .
@sackville10 My shoes are not leather. I am vegan. Most cattle ranchers agree: their industry is wasteful of resources and causes massive amounts of suffering.
And the point is still: sealing is unnecessary and causes massive amounts of suffering - and no appeal to tradition will change that fact.
Perhaps you should research how many resources are used to produce one pound of beef. How much methane is from cattle. Then recognize how this is contributing to world hunger and global warming.
@thestreetsempty go bother ranchers or farmers with your shit and see how good you get on with it . you come here and pick on ppl who have done nothing to you or anyone ever and exspcet them to change the tradtions held for 10000 years just because you dont understand them .
go pick on someone else you cowards eco nazi . inuint have done nothing to anyone ever . and seal pups arent killed so go away and fix your own messed up country before medaling in mine .
@thestreetsempty toxic cemicals wtf ?? we piss on our pelts you fucking retard last time i checked piss is free and renewable so what are you talking about . the acids in urine helps to soften the hide and slow shrinking and drying tofast to be usefull . your a fucking retard . your talking outta your arse ,your clueless on here regergatating the missinformation greenpeace puts out , your a puppet plain and simple . do some fucking reserch loser
Why are some of you speaking against the Inuit people? They use every single part of the seals, they don't kill pups, and they hunt them the right way.
Mary, though I think your argument is valid when it comes to Inuit community, I strongly suggest you find another resource to exploit-like mineral/oil/water rights if you want to be a "market economy", personally I think its a bad idea but I'm not Inuit, so whatever. The oceans are dying and if "tradition" (knowledge that worked once upon a time) remains a priority for the Inuit they will not be around long. The fairy tale is over and the north better wake up soon.
its not a fucking fairy tale. inuit seal products are rejected because of misguided sympathy for the seal, not because inuit values are out of date. tradition is onyl becoming a thing of the past because of hegemonic forces like the EU ban and the perpetuation of opinions such as yours that are so severely divorced from reality. switching to another resource is a laughable idea
by the way, the arctic oceans are not even close to dying. have you ever been to the north, moron?
tradition is much like culture in Most cases-agreed upon lies that worked well once upon a time, its a fairy tale. as quaint as northern culture is, it is about to end. dont get me wrong either, I have a great deal of respect for the Inuit people and their culture but many years of selling off their culture to the hegemonic forces that be, the warming of the arctic etc make our little world appealing a vast number predators whose eyes have been elsewhere til now.
InuitVoice is not Inuit. I've called him on it before. On his channel he uploads videos, highly edited portions of other peoples videos. Many from pro sealing channels like RegaloDelMar2007.Then a male animal rights activist will provide the narration. The narrators voice sounds exactly like a guy named Boomerang110 who is also XB70Playboy, a rabid anti sealing lobby supporter. Having several accounts is against YouTube policy. this guy should be reported.
Actually having multiple account is not against Youtube policy. BUT having been suspended three times he isn't allowed to create additional accounts according to the TOS.
your not the only culture having your identity stolen.maybe you should move to chicago and get a fast food job like the mexicans have.the aztec were fucked over 500 years ago.assimilate or die.
Please stop killing seals, in today's century there is no need to kill seals for the commericial hunt. Inuit people's hunts are different. Please join with rest of Canadians and stop Canada's commercial seal hunt
Any user caught cheering Inuit to eat more seal meat, is helping to poison Inuit & their children. Mary Simon & pro sealers hurt Inuit & hurt Canada.
Seal meat now contains levels of Toxaphene, Methyl Mercury, etc unfit for human consumption. Touting it is akin to cheering brain poisoning.
Note, watch out for typical uninformed retorts like "its great, natives did it for 4000 yrs!"-False. 4000yrs ago they didn't have today's chemical dumps. It has now all been contaminated. It's killing Inuit.
On June 2nd, 2008 a study published in Environmental Health found that mercury and lead levels in the Inuit population of Nunavut had dropped and the higher instances of Cadmium was attributed to smoking. This study can be found by searching for doi:10.1186/1476-069X-7-25
Oh I do plan to eat raw seal, narwhal, and any other Inuit delicacy that I have never tried in my life. And I will go with money and purchase a traditional Inuit winter outfit. These people deserve a chance to have a market that is also based around their culture. No one in the world can prepare furs and seal meat like they can. Why hurt their 4000yearold trade skill with a ridiculous full on international seal ban. US purchases at least 60% of Canada's fur. Imagine when seal gets unbanned.
NameTaken1000 said, "US purchases at least 60% of Canada's fur."
You've been misinformed. The USA has had a complete ban on seal products since 1973 in the form of The Marine Mammal Protection Act. It was signed into law by Richard Nixon. Go back. Study some more. The more you do, the more you will realize that the Inuit should oppose the harp seal slaughter by white Europeans off the coast of NL.
Lol obviously I knew the United States had a seal ban as the last part kind of gives it away. "US purchases at least 60% of Canada's fur. Imagine when seal gets unbanned." Also by going against commercial sealing, (which is Federally regulated by Canadian government), the worth of seal skin is tanked. They are doing this from a business as well as cultural progression point of view. It makes perfect sense to have competition in market especially since Canadian sealing is limited to once a year.
You're saying that the US purchases 60% of all other furs from Canada, excluding seal fur. Yeah. It's kinda sad that the Canadian seal hunters would continue an activisty that they knew would lead to the tanking of Inuit seal pelts prices as well. You think they would have known that would happen from a historical aspect. Considering the east coast fishermen have shown disrespect to the Inuit before by trying to sue them to take away their aboriginal fishing rights, I'm not surprised.
Granted there will always be monopolies trying to take away something from someone especially aboriginals. But the majority small time fishermen and some commercial companies respect the laws in place etc. Look without a way a competitive market, the Inuit have no means of selling their pelts of seal fur, and seal product at a profitable price. That is how it works, it is the sad part of marketing. Competitive markets = sales, and increase in revenue due to product price increase.
It was still the fishermen of Canada that launched a law suite. The last thing the aboriginals need to do is help put any additional monies, regardless of how little the seal hunt brings in, into the pockets of those who sought to deprive the Inuit of directly putting food on their own tables. You equation at the end doesn't make sense. According to my McConnel's Economics book competition effects price decreases. Case in point, deregulation of the US airlines.
CoffinCornerX...did you listen to the video. Notice how the National Canadian Inuit Leader didn't blame " Newfoundlands "white settlers" for the decline of their livelihood from seal products. No... the blame is squarely with the "white urban anti sealing folk". People like you, the arrogant, chauvinistic and ethnocentric. You constantly blame "European settlers" because you need a scapegoat. You know you've ruined a livelihood for Inuit. You are in Damage Control mode. The blinders are falling
HAHA ,I read the message you sent me. Even you realized that was totally ridiculous so you removed it. It certainly would have shown spiteful and vindictive the anti sealing lobby supporters are. Gutter rhetoric HAHA
*Note to all viewers*-Seal meat is contaminated with what are called Polychlorinated Biphenyls.
PCB's are the toxic chemical that resulted in people born with deformed genitals, sexual abnormalities, and damaged sperm in men. Also methylmercury which causes mental retardation.
The user "NameTaken1000" has just promoted eating it. And also wished further damage from it onto the Inuit.
MeHg seeps into human tissue & causes brain damage. It's similar to him enticing children to eat lead paint.
You are obviously ignoring other harmful chemicals found in processed meats. Lets not forget fish contains toxins as well, and various other produce and commercial products. Saying I promote health problems can be directly turned around back as hundreds of different daily foods damage the body. You would then say that fish is also something people should not eat, nor meats, nor produce, etc etc etc. It is clearly propaganda usage on your part to make me sound like I promote health problems. ROFL
Well, no sympathy to Mary Simon. She puts our nations energy in the wrong direction. We should have been opposing the white's harp seal hunt a long time ago. Every time they start hunting seals, prices fall. The white fishermen sued us to take away our Inuit fishing rights. Now Mary thinks we should support them? Sometimes I wonder who she fights for and why.
CANUCKTUNES says" The Inuit consume seal meat raw with no ill effects, regardless of the anti-sealer propaganda."
Shiela Watt-Cloutier, chair of Inuit CC has worked tirelessly to alert the world to the problems of high toxic contamination in the Arctic
Tests showed that there were 8 10 times higher of these Persistent Organic Pollutants showing up in the fatty tissues of the marine mammals of the Arctic, all accurately examined in Inuit pple, in particular in the nursing milk of their mothers
canucktunes: "The objectives for the hunt are sustainable use, conservation, humane hunting practices, and the fullest possible use of the seals." - Mr. David Bevan
Sustainable Use: Yes, his previous statement I posted shows their is no accuracy for determining sustainable use.
Conservation: Read above.
Humane.... Bashing an animals skull in with a bat is incredibly humane!
fullest possible use of the killed animals..... wrong. There is no use, nor little sale of seal meat anywhere.
Who are you trying to impress with these games of yours ? You are simply repeating the misquotes and tactics off the anti-sealing web sites.
The political parties have all voiced their opinions against Mac Harb's bill. Period. End of story. You cannot disprove my statement with these distractions.
In regards to the DFO, everyone can read section 6.1 of their "Overview of the Atlantic Seal Hunt 2006 - 2010", in which they list their objectives. (cont)
* facilitate a market-driven hunt that will allow sealers to maximize their benefits without compromising conservation; and
* ensure conservation by maintaining the population at a level above 70% (4.07 million) of the maximum observed population (5.82 million)."
Repeating your empty accusations ad nauseam will not validate them further and everyone can read my responses, regardless of the abuse of the comment ratings.
DFO is a scam. Sealers have even trashed DFO offices in retaliation.
Hm, y has Harb's bill been voiced against. the Canadian govt REQUIRS all parties to support the hunt, and with your plenty of lobbyists funded on tax dollars, resistance will always b strong.
There is NO seal meat market.
CBS :
The Sealers struggle to find markets for meat
"We certainly would prefer to have the carcasses utilized," - - Rideout.
Korea bought millions of dollars in seal prod. n the past.
Pathetic. I've just disproved your claims about the DFO's objectives and all you do is repeat the same DFO conspiracy theories, that you have yet to substantiate.
Seal meat is a local delicacy that is consumed in Cape Breton, The Magdalen Islands, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nunavut, The NWT, Yukon, Alaska, Greenland, Iceland and The Nordic Countries.
The activists have been publishing propaganda to keep this meat from being sold, so it's the activist's fault that it isn't selling. (cont)
(cont) Seal is served in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal restaurants and recipes can be found all over the net. The Inuit consume it raw with no ill effects, regardless of the anti-sealer propaganda.
In regards to the politics, you obviously don't know anything about Canada's political process if you think the monarchy have anything to do with it. Our monarch is the Queen of England and Britain doesn't have a commercial seal hunt. But then you can't tell the arctic from Antarctica so....
For interest , later,I may look for that article regarding the Montreal chef who received death threats from the anti sealing lobby because he had seal on his menu. That was within this year. Oh, you left out PEI of course in the above.
CANUCKTUNES said: ..."And a cull is a conservative measure supported by all of them"
wrong.
Mr. David Bevan, DFO speaking:
Regarding the seal hunt: "One thing we want to make clear is that we do Not have an objective to limit the size of the population for the purposes of trying to control the ecosystem...we could not determine any rationale to limit the size of the population."
Direct Testimony on the floor of Parliament of David Bevan, Fisheries and Aquaculture Management, DFO
Correct. The function of the Seal hunt is Not to limit the seal population.
If you ever see anyone posting that the hunt is for controlling the seal population, or the hunt is for a cull, then that person is not only wrong, they are going against the Agency that enforces, runs & operates the entire seal hunt! Including Officers & DFO science as well.
This false 'control the seal population argument' cannot be used again. If you see anyone do it, they are in direct defiance of the Fisheries.
"The objectives for the hunt are sustainable use, conservation, humane hunting practices, and the fullest possible use of the killed animals."
Look familiar ? That's how Mr. David Bevan has started the paragraph you quoted, in his testimony to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans on June 15th, 2006.
But then my quote was about the political parties and their positions, wasn't it ?
Un"effing"believeable! Garth hasn't signed in for 11 months, no vids watched, Casku 10 months and both just happen to show up here? Utterly pathetic what these activists will do.
I've just noticed something odd about Garth's account. It still states that he logged in 11 months ago, even after he posted that comment and another comment two months back on a video about whaling. I've asked Youtube if this was a glitch.
LOL.I just got two thumbs down for a comment about a potential glitch.
Proof positive that these people are abusing the comment ratings. Or perhaps they're afraid that whilst looking into the glitch they'd notice something else ?
Typical activist. So inept at research that he can't even find my profile.
I've been an active, participating member since March 2006. I've uploaded 50+ videos and regularly comment on the videos of the 140+ users i've subscribed to. I also have quite a few friends here, that i've met in person at 888.
That said, i'm not about to violate the TOS, especially over some generic troll and his pathetic little games.
You have been blocked. I will file complaints if you persist.
I've decided to make Youtube aware of the troll's accusation.
"Dropping docs" is a serious violation, though I seriously doubt anyone posted the troll's information. I haven't run into this info, nor am I interested in even looking for it.
Let's face it. These people only claim to want a humane hunt to then impose arbitrary conditions and demands in order to make the hunt as inconvenient as possible, in order to kill the hunt entirely.
patzivota22 proves my point, having demanded that only adult seals be hunted, that they be checked for pregnancy before they're hunted and that they not be clubbed or shot.
Combined these demands make the hunt impossible and if one of these demands are met, they will complain about the others.
Back to the point now, canucktunes what do you think of the Canadian Department of External Affairs discussion document entitled "Defense of the Fur Industry" that specifically introduces the idea of playing the Inuit card? I mean, don't you think it's unfair to try using the Inuit as human shields, so to speak? All you have to do is watch "Inuit vs Commercial seal hunt - Part II to see that the Canadian fishermen really couldn't care less about Inuit welfare. (cont on #2)
#2 If they (the fishermen of Canada) did care about aboriginals they wouldn't have tried suing them to take away their aboriginal fishing rights just a few years ago. With friends like your fishermen, who needs enemies. The Aboriginals should have sided with the activist groups long ago to stop your shameful slaughter. Instead now they have to deal with your stupidity and stubbornness. What a shame.
The fur on the wall suggests you have no care for the animals just for food or clothing! you have no right to do this to thousands of seals each year!
You know what's funny. These activists trying to redefine spam and trolling to distract people from their actions.
I've been a member of CAUCE for a decade and I'm a participating member of the Task Force On Spam here in Canada. I've never once posted an off topic message on Youtube since joining in 2006.
On the other hand, one only needs to look through the Vancouver 2010 Olympic commercials to see who really trolls and spams.
Let's get to the facts - These activists are sanctimonious, elitist bigots.
They think they can meddle in the Inuit's affairs and subject Newfoundlanders to abuse because they think they're more moral and/or more educated.
Well, the hunt had been determined to be humane by numerous international bodies and the harp seal is far from threatened according to the IUCN Red List (as stipulated by their site).
The flooding of Youtube with inflammatory propaganda will not change those facts.
List the international bodies that listed this hunt as "humane". Remember that many already don't agree with EFSA's conclusion that the harp seal hunt is equal in animal "welfare" to any other slaughter ind. since apparently the 5% struck and lost rate was not included in their comparison. That alone exceeds any slaughter industries worst mis-stun rates. Add to that the 3-4% mis-stuns and suddenly we are in inhumane territory. What other ones are the CT?
whether you think so or not... we're kicking ur asses as it should be, 1 of the most disgusting corrupt blood-lusted slaughter of animals on this earth, it makes Canada look like absolute crap, I've heard way 2 many times of Canadians that are ashamed of being Canadian because of this hunt, it deserves more than anything to be destroyed into non-existence, video does not lie
no, no site stipulate seals r endangered, u guys also hunt polar bears... for fun, they are steps away from endangered
You just don't get it. The hunt ensured that a large percentage of the fur and meat was used while there's no need to do anything with the results of a cull (which is supported by numerous international conservation groups like the WWF).
Responsible hunts have always been supported by a large percentage of Canadians.
If you think "video does not lie" then you're naive. "The Truth Behind HSUS Award Winning Video" Youtube videos shows footage the HSUS sued to keep from being released.
Yes, we all get it quite well! HENCE the EU ban & the Marine Mammal Protection Act, w/more bans to follow.
Supported by many international conservation groups? who? find me a non-profit ground who supports u? WWF & GP r paper pushers that have poor oceanic studies.
Large % of canadians? wrong. according 2 many surveys, 67 - 90 % of canadians DO NOT support d seal hunt
a cull is a poor excuse to kill.
humans are overpopulating the earth... why don't you cull them? nothings UNnatural there.
In July 2008 IFAW hired Environics Research to conduct their poll and they started off the poll with an out of context statement.
"A commercial seal hunt in Canada which has killed more than one million seals over the last four years takes place"
2160 people were polled with that leading question, none of which were informed about the 1.4 yearly birth rate and the population estimated at 5.5 million at the time. (cont)
population has nothing to do with it... u beat their skulls n... what more do you want? just that line alone drives all this want 2 stop this disgusting hunt.
they hang out happily on the ice with their mothers getting some sun, & some jackass blood-thirsty killers run up on them & beat their heads in, then drive a spike through their heads, some still alive, & skin them
some r even shot from a distance & left 2 die a slow painful death crying on the ice 4hrs
Yes, I have played a strong part n getting the EU ban going, inflammatory language? bashing skulls in? I'm sorry to seem "inflammatory" ,... but it's the truth. Most serial killers won't even go that far, no emotion there!
please, try it on yourself, see how it feels.
the world is against a small group of killers like you. I'd look 4 different work.
facts are there, no tradition, pure animal abuse, no cod loss from the seals, govt is a lie, millions of skinless carcasses... no lies there.
Canucktunes emphatically denies any involvement with the hunt. However he did admit to me he was angered by foreign trade deals that went against Canadian interests. So he's lashing out at any kind of "proxy" regulation which might have negative impacts on the people of Canada. CT the seal hunt only derives one half of one percent of Newf GDP. All you anger out of is blind patriotism. Take the Canadian road construction deal that excludes all foreign bids as a victory and chill out.
You clearly can't be trusted to do some simple research in regards to my location and occupation, having accused me of being a sealer and/or killer not about three days.
You are unable to distinguish facts from convenient assumptions and emotional conjecture.
Seriously, the more you use inflammatory accusations the more dismissive and desperate you look.
I certainly hope your next move wont be to start fishing for bias cause that would be pathetic.
havnt u seen pictures? there are your facts. pure and vivid. the opposite of the seal industry.
of course seals die from their ... NATURAL ... predators frequently,not at the rate of 300,000 a yr, . nope,& they actually use d whole body
thnx to the freedom of information act...even more is exposed... testimony from sealers, taken by DFO staff: ""I was present when female seals were pelted and did see pups fall out of the female on deck.... some still alive... we then thru them overboard..."
hunting w/ or without a permit still means they are killing the seals exactly like everyone else? where's the difference? Do they check to see if a seal is pregnant or not before beating? no. do they consider any humane facts before killing a seal... illegal or not? uh.... NO
you want to keep the seal industry alive.. lemme give you some tips..
1. stop the lies
2. kill the animals humanly, and when they're adults
but that wont happen, as one sealer said, "seals deserved to be clubbed" great!
There you go again with the assumptions and oversimplifications.
The DFO have procedures, that you clearly haven't read about. They depress the skull, they perform the blinking eye test and for good measure, they bleed the seals out. If you had read the testimony fully you would have read that these procedures were not followed by the poachers.
You haven't read up on slaughterhouse procedures if you think this hunt is inhumane because cows also have their skulls fractured and are bled out.
patzivota22, you don't understand the concept of population control if you think waiting for them to reach sexual maturity at 4 to 6 years is a good idea and that it would be less bloody a venture to hunt these older animals.
hahaha, a cull is an excuse to kill, one of the most unnatural things out there, who's causing the problems out there, ? the humans, why don't you cull them? hm? it's only necessary with a pathogen outbreak, nothing else.
bleeding out while alive is abuse, they depress the skull? thats pretty talk for smashing it in, no, many seals are batted on the head over 5 times and they're still alive, skinned, then some more beating,
these abusers are weak amongst society, have a strong lust for pain
If you had read up on the issue, I wouldn't need to explain the following :
Depress the skull - That's to check to see if it had been fractured, which means that the seal would be unconscious.
Bleeding out - This procedure is endorsed by IFAW, as stipulated on most of their reports including the March 2001 study. And they concluded that this procedure was humane.
Your demands are therefore arbitrary and contrary to IFAW's efforts.
LOL ! They've got nothing to run from. The activists have yet to substantiate your accusations. Their failure with the EFSA is proof of it and their EU commissioned report can be read by everyone : EFSA-Q-2007-118
They've got everything to hide from, hence several govt officials stepping on the anti-sealer side, it's hard to hide from increasing international stress and pressure, when it's all over, the remaining criminals in your govt will still be killing seals, just to do it, that'll really kill the image of Canada extremely quickly
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your claims but you're still posturing.
Here's a reality check for you. If there was a movement to end the hunt within the government Senate Bill 229 would have had a seconder and would have progressed beyond it's first reading., where it has stood since March 3rd, 2009.
The major parties have made their view public in their press releases. There is no support for the abolition of the hunt. And a cull is a conservative measure supported by all of them
Want some substantiation? Here we go, let me describe the reason for it all... inhumane
Did I say there was a movement in your own corrupt govt to stop sealing? No. I said pple are starting to wake up in your govt, more will follow, just watch!
Its pretty disturbing when your govt made it a requirement to be for the seal-hunt for their own officials, no matter their own opinions. Good Ol' monarchism at work.
Can I say you're an alien and then claim my use of the word "alien" is proof that your are one ? No. So you are not substantiating anything by simply repeating the word "inhumane", nor are you magically conjuring up corruption by using the word "corrupt".
The activists have been saying "you'll see" since the late 80's yet their demos haven't grown in size or importance. Their attempt at a boycott in 2005 also failed miserably to garner support and has resulted in no real impact.
patzivota22, Canadians were polled by Ipsos in April 2008 and 75% agreed with the government's decision to seize Sea Shepherd's ship. Sea Shepherd is also recognized as an eco-terrorist group by the American government. You are overestimating your support in both Canada and the United States.
yes we have been saying "you'll see" for the longest time, and look what's going on now? last time I checked there's a EU ban? and last time I checked russian just stopped their baby seal hunt because it was redic.? hm... yeah.
boycott's working fine, i've gotten stores to sign up myself, i've even seen them trash the canadian sea food in front of me, more will, and ARE following,
inhumane always looses, sorry. look for a different job.
The boycott was exposed as a sham, the only people signing to it being people that don't eat or purchase Canadian seafood in the first place. And people that want to promote American seafood.
In 2006 the Center for Consumer Freedom contacted the alleged supporters of this boycott and 62% of them were actually added to the list without their consent.
Then there's the idiocy of people trying to give credit to the boycott for market fluctuations felt worldwide.
patzivota22, how many times will I need to tell you that I don't need to go looking for another job because I'm not employed by the industry ?
You're exaggerating your impact, as usual, to distract people from your ignorance in regards to IFAW's and the Independent Veterinarians
Working Group's demands.
Seriously, you condemned the IVWG's recommendations so you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're just faking it to look like you're part of a "winning team", which is pathetic.
Canada's seafood exports did not drop when the boycott started and they actually went up for two years before China flooded the market with their cheaper seafood, the later causing the worldwide market to drop.
Other countries than Canada suffered more greatly and they weren't being boycotted. And for several months now the worldwide economy is taking its toll on all seafood producers.
The boycott failed miserably because it implicated innocent parties that have nothing to do with the hunt ; Parties that have no political influence what so ever on the hunt.
A tiny percentage of fishermen in the Atlantic fishery hunt seal, most of which come from Newfoundland/Labrador, the Madeleine Islands and Cape Breton.
Anyone with some geographical knowledge would exclude that vast majority of the Canadian fishery from being implicated.
(cont) In late 2008 and early 2009, they did it again, polling another 2021 Canadians with the same leading question, adding "Almost all of the seals killed were pups under three months of age" to get more favorable results.
Ipson Reid found that 39% support the hunt and the July 2008 poll from IFAW mirrored that amount. It had only dropped to 37% in the late 2008/2009 Poll.
Ipson Reid found that 75% of people polled backed the seizing of the Farley Mowat. (cont)
Yeah, and when Canadian were poled by DFO interests 54% said they oppose the hunt and 40% said they support it. Again a majority rule. 5% unsure. What's more the pole showed 60% still opposed the hunt even if the targeted seals had been weaned from their mothers. Dude, what are you still posting for? The harp seal slaughter is dead. Oh I know. This is the seal hunt's "swim reflex". It's actually not alive anymore. Don't be fooled by the post mortum struggle. We can start skinning now.
half an hour ago the EU Seal Ban got passed with flying colors w/ a 92% supporting vote!!!!
This barbaric outdated trade has no place in the 21st century.
Russia is next for this ban, since they recently stopped the bloody kill of young pups off of their coasts, they will easily follow.
Then China and Japan (the remaining seal pelt purchaser) is to follow, since both of these countries follow Europe when it comes to fashion, they should ban seal products too!
Yeah, Ersabette, Canada and Norway have already filled motions at the WTO.
The EU will find it rather hard to explain how Canadian's hunt could be determined "inherently cruel" when the hunt follows the international guidelines adopted by the EU.
Today the EU and Canada are officially meeting in regards to a free trade agreement, which will include discussions in regards to conformity to the established standards.
Dream on CT. First off the DFO has adopted only a couple of the recommendations. What happened to the recommendation of spreading the hunt out over a much greater span of time so the fishermen aren't in such a rush. I mean for Pete's sake you've had 2 years to get it right and still the DFO shows flagrant dismissiveness towards most of the recommendations made by the EU. Spin Dr.
That's exactly what DFO had done this year with their pilot project of placing a limit of how many seals could be killed per day by boat size. Small boats were only permitted to kill 200 seals a day, larger boats, 400.
Well, that's too little too late I guess. I wasn't aware they had started that as a pilot program. Was it a limited experiment or was it industry wide?
I don't think patzivota22 is jumping any gun. Since PM Harper has already alluded to his decision by stating he wouldn't think the few million dollars would be worth risking a trade war with Europe
Wow. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
China may be following Europe's fashions but they aren't slaves to it and they also buy much more than pelts. They wont be listening to American propagandists any time soon, especially those that degrade them.
Russia has a large domestic market that will continue to buy Russian furs and they'll continue to export to China. They haven't blocked imports from Canada and Canada follows the international standards.
uh... wrong, no propaganda here excluding the lies from your own govt,
the world is against sealing, it's being torn down as it should be, Russia will ditch, which will not be surprising to due the ban of the grousome slaughter of baby pups off of their coasts,
their is not a single bit of humane when it comes to sealing, you blame seals are the fault killing off all the cod, when in fact, it was your own over fishing ,
lies and corruption and blood-lust and now being killed
Inflammatory speeches and dumb conspiracy theories are all that you have.
The conclusions of the commissions and independent panels in regards to the hunt are not "lies" and the EFSA agrees with them.
On the other hand IFAW funded and organized their reports, hand picked their experts and in the end edited and published their report for good measure.
The HSUS were caught faking footage and photographs by the media. Sea Shepherd were caught provoking and endangering sealers.
wrong, blaming SEALS on the dramatic reduction of cod stock is a bold LIE,
want more LIES?
2. : "We Don't Kill Baby Seals Anymore" LIE, most of the seals u kill r n their early months
3. : "We use more than just the Fur" LIE, skinned carcasses left on the ice, fins sometimes taken for some dull locals, no other seal product is needed anywhere, if this were true you'd be hunting adults
4. : "It's a proud tradition" ... wrong. 13 yrs is no proud tradition, if u were so proud..y ban cameras?
Wow. You actually think the commercial seal hunt in Canada started in 1996 ? That's rather interesting seeing that the earliest records are from the 1700's.
And then there are the hunts in the UK/Ireland and Nordic countries, from which alot of Newfoundlanders came from.
You clearly haven't read anything official and relying on anti-sealing sites for you information.
The DFO blame foreign overfishing for the cod problem, not the seals. It's in their press releases and on their site ! (cont)
(cont) There is no ban on cameras either. Observers licenses were handed out to IFAW and the media, who filmed to their hearts content last year, right after the new laws were passed in regards to those who violated the conditions of the license.
Adults are being hunted but not many of them can be found in whelping areas. That is why 95% of the seals hunted are 4 weeks to 3.5 months of age according to the EFSA. And they start loosing their white coats in less than two weeks.
full of lies you corrupt sealers, no no, sealers clearly state EVEN TODAY, even when the EU was passing their bill, that the hunt because they blame seals on cod stock dropping, you don't pay attention, do you?
you hunt BABIES, another reason the EU went through, seals can live for up to 30 or 35 years,
hmm... why would they not want it to be filmed? hm...
why you have to abuse onlookers? countless videos on youtube showing sealers attacking activist who are doing nothing but filming,
You aren't paying attention. They're worried about the seals keeping the cod stock from coming back because the harp seal is prolific, the IUCN estimating that 1.4 million pups are born per year.
Their numbers are increasing and the IUCN, the people that determine what species are threatened, agree. They are not listed on the 2008 red list site as threatened.
The incident you speak of was provoked by Sea Shepherd, who violated the conditions of their license by interfering with the hunt.
Oh look what I walked in to. The ultimate troller spamming in the midnight hour. Observer licenses aren't handed out you dult. The observers have to go through lengthy application processes to get those licenses and have to reapply every day. Even then they aren't guaranteed it's renewal since some overzealous sealer could chase them to close the 10 meter distance allowable by the observers.
negative, white europeans came 2 Newfoundland n 1497 they encountered abrodiginals who've been hunting seals 4 years, whites pushed most of them out & the rest died from disease, disease from the white, entire nation whipped out, were small records of whites hunting in 1973, but it because commercialized in 1961, far cry from what YOU claim, up until d reopening of the slaughter in 1996 WHITES went to norway to exploit their white coats, NOT in canada, ur proud tradition is no more than 13 YRS
Actually the Norwegians came to the iceflows off Canada, but that's true. If canucktunes wants to claim cultural provenance over the seal hunt, then you have to take the genocide that went along with it at the same time in history.
All you people do is read anti-sealing web sites and repeat everything that's on there, this revisionist tripe being proof of it.
You see old pictures of people wearing white fur and immediately assume that it's still going on, even though it's been illegal since 1987 in Canada and that gray pelts were and are what sells according to the Great Greenland price list.
You're not observant at all. The videos show gray seals being hunted, over and over again. Where's the new footage of white coats?
CT, I think the only people guilty of proliferating that the whitecoat hunt existence in the 3rd millennium are 13 year old girls who found the pictures on google images and built a cheap music video using them. I haven't seen a major group perpetuating that myth. Even the seal balloon at the EU 4 days ago was a beater seal. You just wish the activist groups did what you suggest happens so you could try impeaching their credibility. That's the ultimate straw-man argument.
The White, Canadian commercial seal hunt started in 1996 after a decade long abstinence of baby seal slaughtering which before that time wa done primarily by Norwegians. You obviously spin that unadulterated 13 year history into "It's a proud tradition." Sh-yeah.
I see. You think point the finger at activist groups saying they are responsible for conspiring bias data. On May 26-26th 2005, The WWF who was responsible for assembling the IVWG veterinarians had only the council of the DFO and other pro hunt interests at their. In fact Mark Small spoke at the meeting. This individual was convicted of seal hunt crimes. Killing baby seals in violation of the whitecoat/blueback law! And selling their pelts. So much for your unbiased IVWG.
I see the activists are out to gloat. And what are they gloating about ? The failure of due process and implementation of policy using emotional conjecture in the EU.
(slow, sarcastic applause)
What's obvious is that the majority of the EU delegates did not read the report by the EFSA nor did they do any homework at all. There is nothing in there stating the hunt in inherently cruel. It actually established bias in activism.
The EU is now in breach of several trade agreements. Brilliant !
patzivota22, the EFSA report was commissioned by the EU and is available for everyone to read by searching for EFSA-Q-2007-118
The videos are pure propaganda. The footage is edited down, dramatic music is added and a voice over makes claims as to what is happening in the footage, even though it isn't actually shown in the footage.
Live skinning, for example, has not been filmed at the commercial hunt in Canada. No independent body of veterinarians has confirmed any footage.
IFAW hired several veterinarians to review three year's worth of raw footage for their March 2001 report and they could not confirm one case of live skinning from the footage. Three years of footage !
This was the same report from which the 42% rate was exaggerated - The same report that failed at the EFSA because of it's bias.
The WTO will determine a breach, not the activist groups. As there is no risk of disease, it will be hard to justify the ban.
Will the WTO also retroactivly censure Canada for not allowing foreign companies to buy bigger interests in Canadian airlines back at the turn of the millennia? Or, what about the massive road construction project that was just announced with a clause excluding foreign bids in it. What about that canucktunes? Hmm?
soso true! most women have enough heart for animals, apparently not this one, look at that seal coat she's wearing... I want to punch her in the face so bad.
the EU will pass this ban and pple like this women will rot in hell. commercial sealing is unnesserarly .
if you can't live in the ANTARCTIC... move. you life off of death, blood-lust, and crime. MOVE.
thank you Europe!
USA has a ban on seal products... Europe is next, thanks europe. love you.
Well, the U.S. ain't so great; we allow rich A-holes bring back dead polar bears shot in Canada. The laws need to be strengthened, but the rich white hunters (mostly men of course) need to compensate for their tiny dicks by killing fellow animals much stronger and more beautiful than anything they can ever be.
we do? damn, according to the Red List polar bears and not endangered, but threatened, but I think they are endangered, really. who the F needs to kill polar bears?
very true about the tiny dicked white guys, lol. no wonder they have to drive such huge trucks and have to buy such big guns, they have to compensate.
From what I have seen it is not the Inuit complaining of how they live or have to live, it is those who are opposed to how they live that are complaining.
"If the seal hunt Stopped, we [Inuit] would benefit the most! There would be more seals left for us ... and also people would not have such an aversion to sealskin products as they have after seeing the way they kill the pups, so craft work made with adult seals would be more popular.
the govt are just using the Inuit to further their own purposes. I am surprised Peter Ittinuur, whom I know, could allow himself to be used like that."
By moving the target to adult seals - of breeding age - it will lower the number of pups being born every year therefore significantly reducing the overall population. Seals do not reach sexual maturity until they are on average 5 years of age. There is also a higher struck and lost rate (50%) for adult seals.
When I look at You i dont see a Inuit, I see a Soulless, Haeartless inhumane Person who is wearing the Skin of Another!!!!!!!!
In Todays World YOU got Plenty Clothes to Wear!!! No Need to KILL to Live!!! ITS TIME TO ABANDON CRUELTY-Tradition or NOT!!! We can NOT ask the Spanish TO STOP BULLFIGHTING if we can NOT ask YOU to STOP killing Seal Pups or Whales etc.
The Whale or SEAL doesnt care WHO kill HIM or WHY only THAT!
The world is fed up with the savagery of the Canadian commercial seal hunt. Ms. Simon should reconsider her disingenuous support of this brutal industry, or risk completely turning away persons once sympathetic to the Inuit cause.
Ms. Simon will not win the Inuit world favor standing alongside men who beat to death 325,000 baby seals, while accusing animal rights groups of profiting from the massacre. This approach will surely backfire.
I agree, 10bears. Mary should keep her mouth shut.
I do not profess to be a harbinger of the future, only a very well educated muse.. It is in your cards Mary Simon, as you know. The Ban WILL come. It is...inevitable. The harp seal movement is possible thee strongest animal welfare movement in human history. Either you side against the White commercial seal hunt, or suffer the consequences of allying yourself with "wrong". You have had an olive branch extended to you by HSUS, IFAW and PETA whom which I am in contact with. It's your move.
Of course, you don't have the courage to do so. Instead the anti sealing lobby will blame "white people" who live in Newfoundland. The conventions of political correctness are not extended to that group, so they're an easy target. Blame away, but you know you and the anti sealing lobby destroyed the Inuit livelihood from seal products. You and the anti sealing lobby don't even have the courage to take ownership for the results of your convictions. Hmmm ,who else that you know of used scapegoats
XB70Playboy or Boomerang110, in your post "Ersabette befriends a published bigot your voice sounds exactly like the orator in the vid "Inuit vs Commercial seal hunt" The creator of that latter vid blames white people for the economic hardship the Inuit face due to seal product bans. Yet ,Mary Simon, the Inuit spokesperson clearly states the actions of the anti sealing lobby as the catalyst for Inuit economic hardship. Not white NLers. When will you and the anti sealing lobby take ownersip?
Mary, I have watched your video & I disagree. Your people have been granted an exemption because they use all of the seal & do not leave dead carcasses on the ice. It is my understanding that you would still be able to sell seal products to the EU nations...the fewer of those products there are, the higher the price. So, no, I don't buy your argument. I think your people would make out like bandits!Keep it up & you'll destroy your own culture. Maybe you should keep your mouth shut.
More of the seal would be used if markets were allowed to be created. Whether an industry exists or not the seals will still need to be killed to maintain healthy herds. Unfortunetely it will be even more wasteful if there are no markets or industry at all.
seal pups are not killed in canada since 84 so most of theses retards spreading there anti seal propoganda are spreading lies about canada again . if you wanna see cruelty look at the pigion shoots in penn or dog fights in cally or bull fighting in mexico or spain , all them animals are tossed in the trash after slowly being tourtured . we eat seal and use every single part of it. seals are not even close to endangered , and isnt shark fin soup legal in the usa , try looking that up , hippocrat
sackville10 9 months ago
I've seen exactly how seals are killed. Seals are one of the only animals I've never seen killed "humanely".
Sealing is NOT highly regulated. The toxic chemicals used to preserve fur is NOT sustainable.
I understand your plight. We need better social services and opportunities for all. But it's inexcusable to murder, as a means for survival. Animals are not ours to exploit.
I mean, you talk about respect for the animal...while you're wearing fur and have a dead animal displayed on your wall.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
@thestreetsempty Did you listen to a word she said? " we hunt for food, clothing and our local economies."
She says they use the animal to its fullest extent, that obviously involves using the pelts for clothing and / or ornamentation. they dont hunt the animals for fun, they do it because they must, are you suggesting they throw the pelts away so they do not upset sensitive people like you?
cowboyfromkettins 10 months ago
@cowboyfromkettins Do they NEED to hunt the animals? No. Therefore, they do hunt for "fun". It is not necessary. It's honoring tradition.
Would it be cool to say, "We use all of the babies/retarded people." ? Of course not. Seals are of the same level of intelligence or sentience as babies/retarded people. It isn't ok to hunt one species, so it isn't for another.
I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of extending sympathies to other species, but your psychopathy isn't my problem.
thestreetsempty 10 months ago
@thestreetsempty
Sorry, but do you know anything about the Inuit?
They do NEED to hunt seals as they do Narwhals, Greenland Sharks, walrus etc
This is because in the arctic circle where the Inuit live there is no possible way of growing crops like settled cultures do and thus no other way of procuring a food source. Also It stands to reason that the pelts etc that the Inuit do not use themselves should be sold or traded to benefit them further.
cowboyfromkettins 10 months ago
@cowboyfromkettins You're excusing a tradition that is unnecessary. Many people live in areas where there isn't fertile soil. They obtain resources, provided by social enterprises. It needs improvement.
Of course they aren't wasting the carcass. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying: human beings hold no dominion over other species. We have no right to exploit other animals for our convenience. They're SENTIENT BEINGS. Not products. Please, until you acknowledge this, there is no reasoning with you.
thestreetsempty 10 months ago
@thestreetsempty Im not talking about fertile soil. there is no soil full stop, food bearing plants do not grow there. the Inuit are so remote that shipping/flying fresh food to them is very difficult and when it gets there the prices are so inflated that they can barely afford them. these people have survived thousands of years taking what they need to survive from the land and sustainability has never been an issue. If there is a conservation issue it is not they who are to blame.
cowboyfromkettins 10 months ago
@cowboyfromkettins I agree the conservation should be about how they need to be provided with accessible resources and services, and that the fact that they are not is not their fault. But then, she should be advocating for that type of change - rather than holding on to the tradition of murder.
thestreetsempty 10 months ago
@thestreetsempty if sealing is a unnessasary tradition then so is fishing and cattle and chikens and pigs and the list goes on and on . for that matter why not stop drinking beer cuse we have prescriptions that do the same thing and why not get rid of our legs and use pedways instead . you have no concept of what the hell your saying , your just an eco nazi , you condem neone not like you or thinking like you . i belive thats called a fascist isnt it . we dont bother you so return the favor !
sackville10 9 months ago
@sackville10 Legs are natural and necessary, transportation is a luxury. And we need to utilize greener alternatives to such transportation.
You're right: all of those things are also unnecessary and therefore should no longer be indulgences - given that they're unnecessary and cause massive amounts of suffering. Thanks for seeing my point.
thestreetsempty 9 months ago
@thestreetsempty go try saying that shit to a cattle farmer you asshat . your shoes are leather , the skin from a confined animal that spent most its life a slave for meat and its skin wading around in waste deep shit and you dare to condem natural hunting. seals are free and happy they mate with whom they want death for a seal is instant but death for a cow starts the day it is born so go fuck your hat . i eat cow more then seal .
sackville10 9 months ago
@sackville10 My shoes are not leather. I am vegan. Most cattle ranchers agree: their industry is wasteful of resources and causes massive amounts of suffering.
And the point is still: sealing is unnecessary and causes massive amounts of suffering - and no appeal to tradition will change that fact.
Perhaps you should research how many resources are used to produce one pound of beef. How much methane is from cattle. Then recognize how this is contributing to world hunger and global warming.
thestreetsempty 9 months ago
@thestreetsempty go bother ranchers or farmers with your shit and see how good you get on with it . you come here and pick on ppl who have done nothing to you or anyone ever and exspcet them to change the tradtions held for 10000 years just because you dont understand them .
sackville10 9 months ago
go pick on someone else you cowards eco nazi . inuint have done nothing to anyone ever . and seal pups arent killed so go away and fix your own messed up country before medaling in mine .
sackville10 9 months ago
@thestreetsempty toxic cemicals wtf ?? we piss on our pelts you fucking retard last time i checked piss is free and renewable so what are you talking about . the acids in urine helps to soften the hide and slow shrinking and drying tofast to be usefull . your a fucking retard . your talking outta your arse ,your clueless on here regergatating the missinformation greenpeace puts out , your a puppet plain and simple . do some fucking reserch loser
sackville10 9 months ago
Why are some of you speaking against the Inuit people? They use every single part of the seals, they don't kill pups, and they hunt them the right way.
2ndPhyla 1 year ago
Mary, though I think your argument is valid when it comes to Inuit community, I strongly suggest you find another resource to exploit-like mineral/oil/water rights if you want to be a "market economy", personally I think its a bad idea but I'm not Inuit, so whatever. The oceans are dying and if "tradition" (knowledge that worked once upon a time) remains a priority for the Inuit they will not be around long. The fairy tale is over and the north better wake up soon.
Sir9real 1 year ago
@Sir9real
its not a fucking fairy tale. inuit seal products are rejected because of misguided sympathy for the seal, not because inuit values are out of date. tradition is onyl becoming a thing of the past because of hegemonic forces like the EU ban and the perpetuation of opinions such as yours that are so severely divorced from reality. switching to another resource is a laughable idea
by the way, the arctic oceans are not even close to dying. have you ever been to the north, moron?
chummel88 1 year ago
@chummel88: I live here ....
tradition is much like culture in Most cases-agreed upon lies that worked well once upon a time, its a fairy tale. as quaint as northern culture is, it is about to end. dont get me wrong either, I have a great deal of respect for the Inuit people and their culture but many years of selling off their culture to the hegemonic forces that be, the warming of the arctic etc make our little world appealing a vast number predators whose eyes have been elsewhere til now.
Sir9real 1 year ago
I support my fellow Canadians Such as the Inuit and Atlantic Canadians
Redfox161616 2 years ago
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MrPablo109 2 years ago
InuitVoice is not Inuit. I've called him on it before. On his channel he uploads videos, highly edited portions of other peoples videos. Many from pro sealing channels like RegaloDelMar2007.Then a male animal rights activist will provide the narration. The narrators voice sounds exactly like a guy named Boomerang110 who is also XB70Playboy, a rabid anti sealing lobby supporter. Having several accounts is against YouTube policy. this guy should be reported.
Beebelbrox100 2 years ago
Actually having multiple account is not against Youtube policy. BUT having been suspended three times he isn't allowed to create additional accounts according to the TOS.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Thanks for the clarification on the TOS.
Beebelbrox100 2 years ago
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Beebelbrox100 2 years ago
your not the only culture having your identity stolen.maybe you should move to chicago and get a fast food job like the mexicans have.the aztec were fucked over 500 years ago.assimilate or die.
mieery 2 years ago
Please stop killing seals, in today's century there is no need to kill seals for the commericial hunt. Inuit people's hunts are different. Please join with rest of Canadians and stop Canada's commercial seal hunt
irishveganboy 2 years ago
Any user caught cheering Inuit to eat more seal meat, is helping to poison Inuit & their children. Mary Simon & pro sealers hurt Inuit & hurt Canada.
Seal meat now contains levels of Toxaphene, Methyl Mercury, etc unfit for human consumption. Touting it is akin to cheering brain poisoning.
Note, watch out for typical uninformed retorts like "its great, natives did it for 4000 yrs!"-False. 4000yrs ago they didn't have today's chemical dumps. It has now all been contaminated. It's killing Inuit.
Juiviel24 2 years ago
Cherry picking to the max. Everyone tries to cherry pick facts and therefore exploit it to convince the masses. It is propaganda 101.
NameTaken1000 2 years ago
On June 2nd, 2008 a study published in Environmental Health found that mercury and lead levels in the Inuit population of Nunavut had dropped and the higher instances of Cadmium was attributed to smoking. This study can be found by searching for doi:10.1186/1476-069X-7-25
canucktunes 2 years ago
Oh I do plan to eat raw seal, narwhal, and any other Inuit delicacy that I have never tried in my life. And I will go with money and purchase a traditional Inuit winter outfit. These people deserve a chance to have a market that is also based around their culture. No one in the world can prepare furs and seal meat like they can. Why hurt their 4000yearold trade skill with a ridiculous full on international seal ban. US purchases at least 60% of Canada's fur. Imagine when seal gets unbanned.
NameTaken1000 2 years ago
NameTaken1000 said, "US purchases at least 60% of Canada's fur."
You've been misinformed. The USA has had a complete ban on seal products since 1973 in the form of The Marine Mammal Protection Act. It was signed into law by Richard Nixon. Go back. Study some more. The more you do, the more you will realize that the Inuit should oppose the harp seal slaughter by white Europeans off the coast of NL.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
Lol obviously I knew the United States had a seal ban as the last part kind of gives it away. "US purchases at least 60% of Canada's fur. Imagine when seal gets unbanned." Also by going against commercial sealing, (which is Federally regulated by Canadian government), the worth of seal skin is tanked. They are doing this from a business as well as cultural progression point of view. It makes perfect sense to have competition in market especially since Canadian sealing is limited to once a year.
NameTaken1000 2 years ago
You're saying that the US purchases 60% of all other furs from Canada, excluding seal fur. Yeah. It's kinda sad that the Canadian seal hunters would continue an activisty that they knew would lead to the tanking of Inuit seal pelts prices as well. You think they would have known that would happen from a historical aspect. Considering the east coast fishermen have shown disrespect to the Inuit before by trying to sue them to take away their aboriginal fishing rights, I'm not surprised.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
Granted there will always be monopolies trying to take away something from someone especially aboriginals. But the majority small time fishermen and some commercial companies respect the laws in place etc. Look without a way a competitive market, the Inuit have no means of selling their pelts of seal fur, and seal product at a profitable price. That is how it works, it is the sad part of marketing. Competitive markets = sales, and increase in revenue due to product price increase.
NameTaken1000 2 years ago
It was still the fishermen of Canada that launched a law suite. The last thing the aboriginals need to do is help put any additional monies, regardless of how little the seal hunt brings in, into the pockets of those who sought to deprive the Inuit of directly putting food on their own tables. You equation at the end doesn't make sense. According to my McConnel's Economics book competition effects price decreases. Case in point, deregulation of the US airlines.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
CoffinCornerX...did you listen to the video. Notice how the National Canadian Inuit Leader didn't blame " Newfoundlands "white settlers" for the decline of their livelihood from seal products. No... the blame is squarely with the "white urban anti sealing folk". People like you, the arrogant, chauvinistic and ethnocentric. You constantly blame "European settlers" because you need a scapegoat. You know you've ruined a livelihood for Inuit. You are in Damage Control mode. The blinders are falling
Beebelbrox100 2 years ago
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EFSAQ2007118 2 years ago
HAHA ,I read the message you sent me. Even you realized that was totally ridiculous so you removed it. It certainly would have shown spiteful and vindictive the anti sealing lobby supporters are. Gutter rhetoric HAHA
Beebelbrox100 2 years ago
*Note to all viewers*-Seal meat is contaminated with what are called Polychlorinated Biphenyls.
PCB's are the toxic chemical that resulted in people born with deformed genitals, sexual abnormalities, and damaged sperm in men. Also methylmercury which causes mental retardation.
The user "NameTaken1000" has just promoted eating it. And also wished further damage from it onto the Inuit.
MeHg seeps into human tissue & causes brain damage. It's similar to him enticing children to eat lead paint.
Juiviel24 2 years ago
You are obviously ignoring other harmful chemicals found in processed meats. Lets not forget fish contains toxins as well, and various other produce and commercial products. Saying I promote health problems can be directly turned around back as hundreds of different daily foods damage the body. You would then say that fish is also something people should not eat, nor meats, nor produce, etc etc etc. It is clearly propaganda usage on your part to make me sound like I promote health problems. ROFL
NameTaken1000 2 years ago
Sorry no sympathy from me
sammanns 2 years ago
Well, no sympathy to Mary Simon. She puts our nations energy in the wrong direction. We should have been opposing the white's harp seal hunt a long time ago. Every time they start hunting seals, prices fall. The white fishermen sued us to take away our Inuit fishing rights. Now Mary thinks we should support them? Sometimes I wonder who she fights for and why.
InuitVoice 2 years ago
GREAT NEWS: ::: Mankind is starting to wake up... one country after another!
Thanks in part to the hundreds of organizations and the multi-millions of people around the world!
THIS MONTH: a not surprising movement has started in Hong Kong China for a full ban on Canadian seal products!
I'm guessing pelts will soon be worth, hmm... I predict 25 cents. That sounds about right!
patzivota22 2 years ago
"Multi-millions of people" ? Where were these people when the call for protests went out ?
The vast majority of the demonstration videos here on Youtube show less than a dozen or two protesters per event.
The recent Ottawa protest was so pathetic that the media didn't even bother airing their reports on them. They just shelved the footage.
In response to your 25 cent statement, how would such a low price not hurt the Inuit ? This is what Mary Simon is talking about.
canucktunes 2 years ago
CANUCKTUNES says" The Inuit consume seal meat raw with no ill effects, regardless of the anti-sealer propaganda."
Shiela Watt-Cloutier, chair of Inuit CC has worked tirelessly to alert the world to the problems of high toxic contamination in the Arctic
Tests showed that there were 8 10 times higher of these Persistent Organic Pollutants showing up in the fatty tissues of the marine mammals of the Arctic, all accurately examined in Inuit pple, in particular in the nursing milk of their mothers
patzivota22 2 years ago
Yet patzivota22 did not use the reply button so that I would not see it to respond when I logged in. Why ? It's obvious.
Food needs to be prepared. Improperly handled foods can result in contamination and cross-contamination. This isn't limited to seal meat.
Google "seal meat recipes".
canucktunes 2 years ago
canucktunes: "The objectives for the hunt are sustainable use, conservation, humane hunting practices, and the fullest possible use of the seals." - Mr. David Bevan
Sustainable Use: Yes, his previous statement I posted shows their is no accuracy for determining sustainable use.
Conservation: Read above.
Humane.... Bashing an animals skull in with a bat is incredibly humane!
fullest possible use of the killed animals..... wrong. There is no use, nor little sale of seal meat anywhere.
patzivota22 2 years ago 4
Who are you trying to impress with these games of yours ? You are simply repeating the misquotes and tactics off the anti-sealing web sites.
The political parties have all voiced their opinions against Mac Harb's bill. Period. End of story. You cannot disprove my statement with these distractions.
In regards to the DFO, everyone can read section 6.1 of their "Overview of the Atlantic Seal Hunt 2006 - 2010", in which they list their objectives. (cont)
canucktunes 2 years ago
(cont) "The two objectives are to:
* facilitate a market-driven hunt that will allow sealers to maximize their benefits without compromising conservation; and
* ensure conservation by maintaining the population at a level above 70% (4.07 million) of the maximum observed population (5.82 million)."
Repeating your empty accusations ad nauseam will not validate them further and everyone can read my responses, regardless of the abuse of the comment ratings.
canucktunes 2 years ago
WRONG
DFO is a scam. Sealers have even trashed DFO offices in retaliation.
Hm, y has Harb's bill been voiced against. the Canadian govt REQUIRS all parties to support the hunt, and with your plenty of lobbyists funded on tax dollars, resistance will always b strong.
There is NO seal meat market.
CBS :
The Sealers struggle to find markets for meat
"We certainly would prefer to have the carcasses utilized," - - Rideout.
Korea bought millions of dollars in seal prod. n the past.
Last yr: $1k
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
Pathetic. I've just disproved your claims about the DFO's objectives and all you do is repeat the same DFO conspiracy theories, that you have yet to substantiate.
Seal meat is a local delicacy that is consumed in Cape Breton, The Magdalen Islands, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nunavut, The NWT, Yukon, Alaska, Greenland, Iceland and The Nordic Countries.
The activists have been publishing propaganda to keep this meat from being sold, so it's the activist's fault that it isn't selling. (cont)
canucktunes 2 years ago
(cont) Seal is served in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal restaurants and recipes can be found all over the net. The Inuit consume it raw with no ill effects, regardless of the anti-sealer propaganda.
In regards to the politics, you obviously don't know anything about Canada's political process if you think the monarchy have anything to do with it. Our monarch is the Queen of England and Britain doesn't have a commercial seal hunt. But then you can't tell the arctic from Antarctica so....
canucktunes 2 years ago
For interest , later,I may look for that article regarding the Montreal chef who received death threats from the anti sealing lobby because he had seal on his menu. That was within this year. Oh, you left out PEI of course in the above.
MrPablo109 2 years ago
why are you talking about commercial seal hunters when this video clearly states that it's about Inuit?
Lenskibro 2 years ago
CANUCKTUNES said: ..."And a cull is a conservative measure supported by all of them"
wrong.
Mr. David Bevan, DFO speaking:
Regarding the seal hunt: "One thing we want to make clear is that we do Not have an objective to limit the size of the population for the purposes of trying to control the ecosystem...we could not determine any rationale to limit the size of the population."
Direct Testimony on the floor of Parliament of David Bevan, Fisheries and Aquaculture Management, DFO
patzivota22 2 years ago 4
Correct. The function of the Seal hunt is Not to limit the seal population.
If you ever see anyone posting that the hunt is for controlling the seal population, or the hunt is for a cull, then that person is not only wrong, they are going against the Agency that enforces, runs & operates the entire seal hunt! Including Officers & DFO science as well.
This false 'control the seal population argument' cannot be used again. If you see anyone do it, they are in direct defiance of the Fisheries.
CaskuVike76 2 years ago 2
"The objectives for the hunt are sustainable use, conservation, humane hunting practices, and the fullest possible use of the killed animals."
Look familiar ? That's how Mr. David Bevan has started the paragraph you quoted, in his testimony to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans on June 15th, 2006.
But then my quote was about the political parties and their positions, wasn't it ?
Nice try.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Whoever 'canucktunes' is, that user is now clearly disproven and discredited.
AdmiralGarth3903 2 years ago 2
Wow. They're all bringing out their sock puppets this time.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Un"effing"believeable! Garth hasn't signed in for 11 months, no vids watched, Casku 10 months and both just happen to show up here? Utterly pathetic what these activists will do.
Ersabette 2 years ago
I've just noticed something odd about Garth's account. It still states that he logged in 11 months ago, even after he posted that comment and another comment two months back on a video about whaling. I've asked Youtube if this was a glitch.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Must be a glitch, it's happened to me when I've just closed out rather than sign out.
Ersabette 2 years ago
LOL.I just got two thumbs down for a comment about a potential glitch.
Proof positive that these people are abusing the comment ratings. Or perhaps they're afraid that whilst looking into the glitch they'd notice something else ?
Hmm.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Who the hell is going around posting my name and snooping around people's personal account details?
Who is this ``canucktunes`` user, some kind of internet Stalker trying to get into peoples information or something.
Knock it off, Stalker.
CaskuVike76 2 years ago
Typical activist. So inept at research that he can't even find my profile.
I've been an active, participating member since March 2006. I've uploaded 50+ videos and regularly comment on the videos of the 140+ users i've subscribed to. I also have quite a few friends here, that i've met in person at 888.
That said, i'm not about to violate the TOS, especially over some generic troll and his pathetic little games.
You have been blocked. I will file complaints if you persist.
canucktunes 2 years ago
I've decided to make Youtube aware of the troll's accusation.
"Dropping docs" is a serious violation, though I seriously doubt anyone posted the troll's information. I haven't run into this info, nor am I interested in even looking for it.
canucktunes 2 years ago
As you can see these activists don't want anyone but them to be heard. That's why they down thumb everything with their sock accounts.
Pathetic.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Let's face it. These people only claim to want a humane hunt to then impose arbitrary conditions and demands in order to make the hunt as inconvenient as possible, in order to kill the hunt entirely.
patzivota22 proves my point, having demanded that only adult seals be hunted, that they be checked for pregnancy before they're hunted and that they not be clubbed or shot.
Combined these demands make the hunt impossible and if one of these demands are met, they will complain about the others.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Back to the point now, canucktunes what do you think of the Canadian Department of External Affairs discussion document entitled "Defense of the Fur Industry" that specifically introduces the idea of playing the Inuit card? I mean, don't you think it's unfair to try using the Inuit as human shields, so to speak? All you have to do is watch "Inuit vs Commercial seal hunt - Part II to see that the Canadian fishermen really couldn't care less about Inuit welfare. (cont on #2)
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
#2 If they (the fishermen of Canada) did care about aboriginals they wouldn't have tried suing them to take away their aboriginal fishing rights just a few years ago. With friends like your fishermen, who needs enemies. The Aboriginals should have sided with the activist groups long ago to stop your shameful slaughter. Instead now they have to deal with your stupidity and stubbornness. What a shame.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
The fur on the wall suggests you have no care for the animals just for food or clothing! you have no right to do this to thousands of seals each year!
Cottonmouthwarrior 2 years ago 2
You know what's funny. These activists trying to redefine spam and trolling to distract people from their actions.
I've been a member of CAUCE for a decade and I'm a participating member of the Task Force On Spam here in Canada. I've never once posted an off topic message on Youtube since joining in 2006.
On the other hand, one only needs to look through the Vancouver 2010 Olympic commercials to see who really trolls and spams.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Let's get to the facts - These activists are sanctimonious, elitist bigots.
They think they can meddle in the Inuit's affairs and subject Newfoundlanders to abuse because they think they're more moral and/or more educated.
Well, the hunt had been determined to be humane by numerous international bodies and the harp seal is far from threatened according to the IUCN Red List (as stipulated by their site).
The flooding of Youtube with inflammatory propaganda will not change those facts.
canucktunes 2 years ago
List the international bodies that listed this hunt as "humane". Remember that many already don't agree with EFSA's conclusion that the harp seal hunt is equal in animal "welfare" to any other slaughter ind. since apparently the 5% struck and lost rate was not included in their comparison. That alone exceeds any slaughter industries worst mis-stun rates. Add to that the 3-4% mis-stuns and suddenly we are in inhumane territory. What other ones are the CT?
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
whether you think so or not... we're kicking ur asses as it should be, 1 of the most disgusting corrupt blood-lusted slaughter of animals on this earth, it makes Canada look like absolute crap, I've heard way 2 many times of Canadians that are ashamed of being Canadian because of this hunt, it deserves more than anything to be destroyed into non-existence, video does not lie
no, no site stipulate seals r endangered, u guys also hunt polar bears... for fun, they are steps away from endangered
patzivota22 2 years ago 3
You just don't get it. The hunt ensured that a large percentage of the fur and meat was used while there's no need to do anything with the results of a cull (which is supported by numerous international conservation groups like the WWF).
Responsible hunts have always been supported by a large percentage of Canadians.
If you think "video does not lie" then you're naive. "The Truth Behind HSUS Award Winning Video" Youtube videos shows footage the HSUS sued to keep from being released.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Yes, we all get it quite well! HENCE the EU ban & the Marine Mammal Protection Act, w/more bans to follow.
Supported by many international conservation groups? who? find me a non-profit ground who supports u? WWF & GP r paper pushers that have poor oceanic studies.
Large % of canadians? wrong. according 2 many surveys, 67 - 90 % of canadians DO NOT support d seal hunt
a cull is a poor excuse to kill.
humans are overpopulating the earth... why don't you cull them? nothings UNnatural there.
patzivota22 2 years ago 3
In July 2008 IFAW hired Environics Research to conduct their poll and they started off the poll with an out of context statement.
"A commercial seal hunt in Canada which has killed more than one million seals over the last four years takes place"
2160 people were polled with that leading question, none of which were informed about the 1.4 yearly birth rate and the population estimated at 5.5 million at the time. (cont)
canucktunes 2 years ago
population has nothing to do with it... u beat their skulls n... what more do you want? just that line alone drives all this want 2 stop this disgusting hunt.
they hang out happily on the ice with their mothers getting some sun, & some jackass blood-thirsty killers run up on them & beat their heads in, then drive a spike through their heads, some still alive, & skin them
some r even shot from a distance & left 2 die a slow painful death crying on the ice 4hrs
THIS IS WHY this WILL be stopped
patzivota22 2 years ago 4
Once it no longer becomes an issue of trade it becomes an internal conservation issue that you can't do anything about because you aren't Canadian.
Your inflammatory language only proved my point in regards to your need to make this issue so emotional that all the scientific facts are disregarded.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Yes, I have played a strong part n getting the EU ban going, inflammatory language? bashing skulls in? I'm sorry to seem "inflammatory" ,... but it's the truth. Most serial killers won't even go that far, no emotion there!
please, try it on yourself, see how it feels.
the world is against a small group of killers like you. I'd look 4 different work.
facts are there, no tradition, pure animal abuse, no cod loss from the seals, govt is a lie, millions of skinless carcasses... no lies there.
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
Canucktunes emphatically denies any involvement with the hunt. However he did admit to me he was angered by foreign trade deals that went against Canadian interests. So he's lashing out at any kind of "proxy" regulation which might have negative impacts on the people of Canada. CT the seal hunt only derives one half of one percent of Newf GDP. All you anger out of is blind patriotism. Take the Canadian road construction deal that excludes all foreign bids as a victory and chill out.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 3
fair enough
patzivota22 2 years ago
Well, that doesn't mean that he's not emotionally driven. I mean, what's pride but pure emotion. Oh well.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
You clearly can't be trusted to do some simple research in regards to my location and occupation, having accused me of being a sealer and/or killer not about three days.
You are unable to distinguish facts from convenient assumptions and emotional conjecture.
Seriously, the more you use inflammatory accusations the more dismissive and desperate you look.
I certainly hope your next move wont be to start fishing for bias cause that would be pathetic.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Whoops. That should read "having accused me of being a sealer and/or killer for about three days".
Just thought I'd correct it before the nitpicking opportunists try to make an issue out of it, like they desperately try to do with everything.
canucktunes 2 years ago
the facts are there, the same as the millions of gallons of blood you poison your coasts with this bloody lustful trade,
no humaneness going on here, not even the slightest bit.
lack of humane standards is destroying the seal industry. inhumane is incredibly highly inflammatory. hello mr. truth.
patzivota22 2 years ago
First of all, the hunts happen quite some distance from our coasts.
Second, blood from harp seals isn't poisonous to the ocean or its environment. Seals die and are attacked by their predators quite frequently.
Third, you haven't presented any facts. Your embellishments, hype and distractions do not make these dubious statement of yours any more factual.
canucktunes 2 years ago
havnt u seen pictures? there are your facts. pure and vivid. the opposite of the seal industry.
of course seals die from their ... NATURAL ... predators frequently,not at the rate of 300,000 a yr, . nope,& they actually use d whole body
thnx to the freedom of information act...even more is exposed... testimony from sealers, taken by DFO staff: ""I was present when female seals were pelted and did see pups fall out of the female on deck.... some still alive... we then thru them overboard..."
patzivota22 2 years ago
The activists always appear to omit the fact that this testimony was taken in regards to poaching.
These sealers were hunting without a permit, in areas where hunting is not permitted. So they don't represent the commercial hunt, at all.
canucktunes 2 years ago
hunting w/ or without a permit still means they are killing the seals exactly like everyone else? where's the difference? Do they check to see if a seal is pregnant or not before beating? no. do they consider any humane facts before killing a seal... illegal or not? uh.... NO
you want to keep the seal industry alive.. lemme give you some tips..
1. stop the lies
2. kill the animals humanly, and when they're adults
but that wont happen, as one sealer said, "seals deserved to be clubbed" great!
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
There you go again with the assumptions and oversimplifications.
The DFO have procedures, that you clearly haven't read about. They depress the skull, they perform the blinking eye test and for good measure, they bleed the seals out. If you had read the testimony fully you would have read that these procedures were not followed by the poachers.
You haven't read up on slaughterhouse procedures if you think this hunt is inhumane because cows also have their skulls fractured and are bled out.
canucktunes 2 years ago
patzivota22, you don't understand the concept of population control if you think waiting for them to reach sexual maturity at 4 to 6 years is a good idea and that it would be less bloody a venture to hunt these older animals.
Read up.
canucktunes 2 years ago
hahaha, a cull is an excuse to kill, one of the most unnatural things out there, who's causing the problems out there, ? the humans, why don't you cull them? hm? it's only necessary with a pathogen outbreak, nothing else.
bleeding out while alive is abuse, they depress the skull? thats pretty talk for smashing it in, no, many seals are batted on the head over 5 times and they're still alive, skinned, then some more beating,
these abusers are weak amongst society, have a strong lust for pain
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
If you had read up on the issue, I wouldn't need to explain the following :
Depress the skull - That's to check to see if it had been fractured, which means that the seal would be unconscious.
Bleeding out - This procedure is endorsed by IFAW, as stipulated on most of their reports including the March 2001 study. And they concluded that this procedure was humane.
Your demands are therefore arbitrary and contrary to IFAW's efforts.
canucktunes 2 years ago
lemme give you some tips to revive the seal industry, don't tell anyone about this,
1. kill them HUMANLY
2. kill them while adults, give them time to hang with their families, and swim, and do all these glorius natural things they have a full right to,
3. get the smiles off of the sealers as the beat the seals to death
3. STOP THE LIES
end
patzivota22 2 years ago 3
I see you've run out of real arguments and are simply repeating your ignorant nonsense.
Harp seals DO NOT "hang out with their families". Something you would have found out if you did an inkling of real research :
Males mate with as many females as possible and females leave their pups within a few days of birth, just as the pups start molting.
Sealers DO NOT have the time to stop and smile because they're way too busy trying to get as many seals as they can. Your propaganda makes no sense.
canucktunes 2 years ago
run out of real arguments? I just told you some tips that will really help... but no, as the Canadian govt runs... they deny all.
It's funny, though. Repeating ignorant statements? lol.
corruption dies...
patzivota22 2 years ago
LOL ! They've got nothing to run from. The activists have yet to substantiate your accusations. Their failure with the EFSA is proof of it and their EU commissioned report can be read by everyone : EFSA-Q-2007-118
canucktunes 2 years ago
They've got everything to hide from, hence several govt officials stepping on the anti-sealer side, it's hard to hide from increasing international stress and pressure, when it's all over, the remaining criminals in your govt will still be killing seals, just to do it, that'll really kill the image of Canada extremely quickly
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your claims but you're still posturing.
Here's a reality check for you. If there was a movement to end the hunt within the government Senate Bill 229 would have had a seconder and would have progressed beyond it's first reading., where it has stood since March 3rd, 2009.
The major parties have made their view public in their press releases. There is no support for the abolition of the hunt. And a cull is a conservative measure supported by all of them
canucktunes 2 years ago
Want some substantiation? Here we go, let me describe the reason for it all... inhumane
Did I say there was a movement in your own corrupt govt to stop sealing? No. I said pple are starting to wake up in your govt, more will follow, just watch!
Its pretty disturbing when your govt made it a requirement to be for the seal-hunt for their own officials, no matter their own opinions. Good Ol' monarchism at work.
patzivota22 2 years ago 7
Can I say you're an alien and then claim my use of the word "alien" is proof that your are one ? No. So you are not substantiating anything by simply repeating the word "inhumane", nor are you magically conjuring up corruption by using the word "corrupt".
The activists have been saying "you'll see" since the late 80's yet their demos haven't grown in size or importance. Their attempt at a boycott in 2005 also failed miserably to garner support and has resulted in no real impact.
canucktunes 2 years ago
patzivota22, Canadians were polled by Ipsos in April 2008 and 75% agreed with the government's decision to seize Sea Shepherd's ship. Sea Shepherd is also recognized as an eco-terrorist group by the American government. You are overestimating your support in both Canada and the United States.
canucktunes 2 years ago
yes, I'm an alien, nice job!
yes we have been saying "you'll see" for the longest time, and look what's going on now? last time I checked there's a EU ban? and last time I checked russian just stopped their baby seal hunt because it was redic.? hm... yeah.
boycott's working fine, i've gotten stores to sign up myself, i've even seen them trash the canadian sea food in front of me, more will, and ARE following,
inhumane always looses, sorry. look for a different job.
patzivota22 2 years ago 5
"Boycott's working fine" ? LOL !
The boycott was exposed as a sham, the only people signing to it being people that don't eat or purchase Canadian seafood in the first place. And people that want to promote American seafood.
In 2006 the Center for Consumer Freedom contacted the alleged supporters of this boycott and 62% of them were actually added to the list without their consent.
Then there's the idiocy of people trying to give credit to the boycott for market fluctuations felt worldwide.
canucktunes 2 years ago
patzivota22, how many times will I need to tell you that I don't need to go looking for another job because I'm not employed by the industry ?
You're exaggerating your impact, as usual, to distract people from your ignorance in regards to IFAW's and the Independent Veterinarians
Working Group's demands.
Seriously, you condemned the IVWG's recommendations so you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're just faking it to look like you're part of a "winning team", which is pathetic.
canucktunes 2 years ago
aw it is, either way, if offered to sell canadian sea food, whether they already do or not, they will refuse it,
and your proof that= the market fluctuation is not from the boycott is where?
patzivota22 2 years ago 4
LOL ! It's called logic.
Canada's seafood exports did not drop when the boycott started and they actually went up for two years before China flooded the market with their cheaper seafood, the later causing the worldwide market to drop.
Other countries than Canada suffered more greatly and they weren't being boycotted. And for several months now the worldwide economy is taking its toll on all seafood producers.
(cont)
canucktunes 2 years ago
(cont)
The boycott failed miserably because it implicated innocent parties that have nothing to do with the hunt ; Parties that have no political influence what so ever on the hunt.
A tiny percentage of fishermen in the Atlantic fishery hunt seal, most of which come from Newfoundland/Labrador, the Madeleine Islands and Cape Breton.
Anyone with some geographical knowledge would exclude that vast majority of the Canadian fishery from being implicated.
canucktunes 2 years ago
The exploiter of the straw man argument. I didn't see patzivota22 get angry.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
(cont) In late 2008 and early 2009, they did it again, polling another 2021 Canadians with the same leading question, adding "Almost all of the seals killed were pups under three months of age" to get more favorable results.
Ipson Reid found that 39% support the hunt and the July 2008 poll from IFAW mirrored that amount. It had only dropped to 37% in the late 2008/2009 Poll.
Ipson Reid found that 75% of people polled backed the seizing of the Farley Mowat. (cont)
canucktunes 2 years ago
(cont) All of the information I just gave to you came from IFAW's own technical briefs :
IFAW Technical Briefing 2009-01
(Dated 25 February 2009)
IFAW Technical Briefing 2008-02
(Dated 11 July 2008)
Ipson Reid's information can be found on their site.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Yeah, and when Canadian were poled by DFO interests 54% said they oppose the hunt and 40% said they support it. Again a majority rule. 5% unsure. What's more the pole showed 60% still opposed the hunt even if the targeted seals had been weaned from their mothers. Dude, what are you still posting for? The harp seal slaughter is dead. Oh I know. This is the seal hunt's "swim reflex". It's actually not alive anymore. Don't be fooled by the post mortum struggle. We can start skinning now.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
AMAZING NEWS!
half an hour ago the EU Seal Ban got passed with flying colors w/ a 92% supporting vote!!!!
This barbaric outdated trade has no place in the 21st century.
Russia is next for this ban, since they recently stopped the bloody kill of young pups off of their coasts, they will easily follow.
Then China and Japan (the remaining seal pelt purchaser) is to follow, since both of these countries follow Europe when it comes to fashion, they should ban seal products too!
Awesome! :)
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
Jumping the gun a little aren't ya? I wouldn't be counting your apples before they're picked!
Ersabette 2 years ago
Yeah, Ersabette, Canada and Norway have already filled motions at the WTO.
The EU will find it rather hard to explain how Canadian's hunt could be determined "inherently cruel" when the hunt follows the international guidelines adopted by the EU.
Today the EU and Canada are officially meeting in regards to a free trade agreement, which will include discussions in regards to conformity to the established standards.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Dream on CT. First off the DFO has adopted only a couple of the recommendations. What happened to the recommendation of spreading the hunt out over a much greater span of time so the fishermen aren't in such a rush. I mean for Pete's sake you've had 2 years to get it right and still the DFO shows flagrant dismissiveness towards most of the recommendations made by the EU. Spin Dr.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 4
That's exactly what DFO had done this year with their pilot project of placing a limit of how many seals could be killed per day by boat size. Small boats were only permitted to kill 200 seals a day, larger boats, 400.
Ersabette 2 years ago
Well, that's too little too late I guess. I wasn't aware they had started that as a pilot program. Was it a limited experiment or was it industry wide?
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
I don't think patzivota22 is jumping any gun. Since PM Harper has already alluded to his decision by stating he wouldn't think the few million dollars would be worth risking a trade war with Europe
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
Wow. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
China may be following Europe's fashions but they aren't slaves to it and they also buy much more than pelts. They wont be listening to American propagandists any time soon, especially those that degrade them.
Russia has a large domestic market that will continue to buy Russian furs and they'll continue to export to China. They haven't blocked imports from Canada and Canada follows the international standards.
canucktunes 2 years ago
uh... wrong, no propaganda here excluding the lies from your own govt,
the world is against sealing, it's being torn down as it should be, Russia will ditch, which will not be surprising to due the ban of the grousome slaughter of baby pups off of their coasts,
their is not a single bit of humane when it comes to sealing, you blame seals are the fault killing off all the cod, when in fact, it was your own over fishing ,
lies and corruption and blood-lust and now being killed
patzivota22 2 years ago
Inflammatory speeches and dumb conspiracy theories are all that you have.
The conclusions of the commissions and independent panels in regards to the hunt are not "lies" and the EFSA agrees with them.
On the other hand IFAW funded and organized their reports, hand picked their experts and in the end edited and published their report for good measure.
The HSUS were caught faking footage and photographs by the media. Sea Shepherd were caught provoking and endangering sealers.
canucktunes 2 years ago
wrong, blaming SEALS on the dramatic reduction of cod stock is a bold LIE,
want more LIES?
2. : "We Don't Kill Baby Seals Anymore" LIE, most of the seals u kill r n their early months
3. : "We use more than just the Fur" LIE, skinned carcasses left on the ice, fins sometimes taken for some dull locals, no other seal product is needed anywhere, if this were true you'd be hunting adults
4. : "It's a proud tradition" ... wrong. 13 yrs is no proud tradition, if u were so proud..y ban cameras?
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
Wow. You actually think the commercial seal hunt in Canada started in 1996 ? That's rather interesting seeing that the earliest records are from the 1700's.
And then there are the hunts in the UK/Ireland and Nordic countries, from which alot of Newfoundlanders came from.
You clearly haven't read anything official and relying on anti-sealing sites for you information.
The DFO blame foreign overfishing for the cod problem, not the seals. It's in their press releases and on their site ! (cont)
canucktunes 2 years ago
(cont) There is no ban on cameras either. Observers licenses were handed out to IFAW and the media, who filmed to their hearts content last year, right after the new laws were passed in regards to those who violated the conditions of the license.
Adults are being hunted but not many of them can be found in whelping areas. That is why 95% of the seals hunted are 4 weeks to 3.5 months of age according to the EFSA. And they start loosing their white coats in less than two weeks.
canucktunes 2 years ago
full of lies you corrupt sealers, no no, sealers clearly state EVEN TODAY, even when the EU was passing their bill, that the hunt because they blame seals on cod stock dropping, you don't pay attention, do you?
you hunt BABIES, another reason the EU went through, seals can live for up to 30 or 35 years,
hmm... why would they not want it to be filmed? hm...
why you have to abuse onlookers? countless videos on youtube showing sealers attacking activist who are doing nothing but filming,
patzivota22 2 years ago 2
You aren't paying attention. They're worried about the seals keeping the cod stock from coming back because the harp seal is prolific, the IUCN estimating that 1.4 million pups are born per year.
Their numbers are increasing and the IUCN, the people that determine what species are threatened, agree. They are not listed on the 2008 red list site as threatened.
The incident you speak of was provoked by Sea Shepherd, who violated the conditions of their license by interfering with the hunt.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Oh look what I walked in to. The ultimate troller spamming in the midnight hour. Observer licenses aren't handed out you dult. The observers have to go through lengthy application processes to get those licenses and have to reapply every day. Even then they aren't guaranteed it's renewal since some overzealous sealer could chase them to close the 10 meter distance allowable by the observers.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 3
negative, white europeans came 2 Newfoundland n 1497 they encountered abrodiginals who've been hunting seals 4 years, whites pushed most of them out & the rest died from disease, disease from the white, entire nation whipped out, were small records of whites hunting in 1973, but it because commercialized in 1961, far cry from what YOU claim, up until d reopening of the slaughter in 1996 WHITES went to norway to exploit their white coats, NOT in canada, ur proud tradition is no more than 13 YRS
patzivota22 2 years ago 3
Actually the Norwegians came to the iceflows off Canada, but that's true. If canucktunes wants to claim cultural provenance over the seal hunt, then you have to take the genocide that went along with it at the same time in history.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 3
All you people do is read anti-sealing web sites and repeat everything that's on there, this revisionist tripe being proof of it.
You see old pictures of people wearing white fur and immediately assume that it's still going on, even though it's been illegal since 1987 in Canada and that gray pelts were and are what sells according to the Great Greenland price list.
You're not observant at all. The videos show gray seals being hunted, over and over again. Where's the new footage of white coats?
canucktunes 2 years ago
CT, I think the only people guilty of proliferating that the whitecoat hunt existence in the 3rd millennium are 13 year old girls who found the pictures on google images and built a cheap music video using them. I haven't seen a major group perpetuating that myth. Even the seal balloon at the EU 4 days ago was a beater seal. You just wish the activist groups did what you suggest happens so you could try impeaching their credibility. That's the ultimate straw-man argument.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
The White, Canadian commercial seal hunt started in 1996 after a decade long abstinence of baby seal slaughtering which before that time wa done primarily by Norwegians. You obviously spin that unadulterated 13 year history into "It's a proud tradition." Sh-yeah.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 3
I see. You think point the finger at activist groups saying they are responsible for conspiring bias data. On May 26-26th 2005, The WWF who was responsible for assembling the IVWG veterinarians had only the council of the DFO and other pro hunt interests at their. In fact Mark Small spoke at the meeting. This individual was convicted of seal hunt crimes. Killing baby seals in violation of the whitecoat/blueback law! And selling their pelts. So much for your unbiased IVWG.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 4
I see the activists are out to gloat. And what are they gloating about ? The failure of due process and implementation of policy using emotional conjecture in the EU.
(slow, sarcastic applause)
What's obvious is that the majority of the EU delegates did not read the report by the EFSA nor did they do any homework at all. There is nothing in there stating the hunt in inherently cruel. It actually established bias in activism.
The EU is now in breach of several trade agreements. Brilliant !
canucktunes 2 years ago
live skinning is not cruel? how? hm? they do their homework, they've seen all the evidence necessarily, video does not lie
EU is in no breach, they have the power to stop the import of these corrupt seal pelts, and they are doing it, get over it ASAP
patzivota22 2 years ago
patzivota22, the EFSA report was commissioned by the EU and is available for everyone to read by searching for EFSA-Q-2007-118
The videos are pure propaganda. The footage is edited down, dramatic music is added and a voice over makes claims as to what is happening in the footage, even though it isn't actually shown in the footage.
Live skinning, for example, has not been filmed at the commercial hunt in Canada. No independent body of veterinarians has confirmed any footage.
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canucktunes 2 years ago
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IFAW hired several veterinarians to review three year's worth of raw footage for their March 2001 report and they could not confirm one case of live skinning from the footage. Three years of footage !
This was the same report from which the 42% rate was exaggerated - The same report that failed at the EFSA because of it's bias.
The WTO will determine a breach, not the activist groups. As there is no risk of disease, it will be hard to justify the ban.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Will the WTO also retroactivly censure Canada for not allowing foreign companies to buy bigger interests in Canadian airlines back at the turn of the millennia? Or, what about the massive road construction project that was just announced with a clause excluding foreign bids in it. What about that canucktunes? Hmm?
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
The dead animal's skin behind her says it all.
journeyman47 2 years ago 2
soso true! most women have enough heart for animals, apparently not this one, look at that seal coat she's wearing... I want to punch her in the face so bad.
the EU will pass this ban and pple like this women will rot in hell. commercial sealing is unnesserarly .
if you can't live in the ANTARCTIC... move. you life off of death, blood-lust, and crime. MOVE.
thank you Europe!
USA has a ban on seal products... Europe is next, thanks europe. love you.
patzivota22 2 years ago
Well, the U.S. ain't so great; we allow rich A-holes bring back dead polar bears shot in Canada. The laws need to be strengthened, but the rich white hunters (mostly men of course) need to compensate for their tiny dicks by killing fellow animals much stronger and more beautiful than anything they can ever be.
journeyman47 2 years ago
we do? damn, according to the Red List polar bears and not endangered, but threatened, but I think they are endangered, really. who the F needs to kill polar bears?
very true about the tiny dicked white guys, lol. no wonder they have to drive such huge trucks and have to buy such big guns, they have to compensate.
patzivota22 2 years ago
heh, heh. Thanks.
journeyman47 2 years ago
From what I have seen it is not the Inuit complaining of how they live or have to live, it is those who are opposed to how they live that are complaining.
Ersabette 2 years ago
"If the seal hunt Stopped, we [Inuit] would benefit the most! There would be more seals left for us ... and also people would not have such an aversion to sealskin products as they have after seeing the way they kill the pups, so craft work made with adult seals would be more popular.
the govt are just using the Inuit to further their own purposes. I am surprised Peter Ittinuur, whom I know, could allow himself to be used like that."
Arnaituk M. Tarkirk
I am an Inuk & I oppose the hunt."
CieloMarinaris 2 years ago 3
By moving the target to adult seals - of breeding age - it will lower the number of pups being born every year therefore significantly reducing the overall population. Seals do not reach sexual maturity until they are on average 5 years of age. There is also a higher struck and lost rate (50%) for adult seals.
Ersabette 2 years ago
Mary Simon BETRAYS the Inuit People:
Letter from Arnaituk M. Tarkirk - Kuujjuak in Northern Quebec - Inuk native
"I am an Inuk and I would like to say what I think about this...
"Peter Ittinuur, Northwest Territory MP, has been saying that this [EU BAN] vote will put a lot of Inuit on welfare. This is stupid!"
The money from the hunt goes to Norway mostly and has nothing to do with the Inuit.
I am an Inuk, and I oppose the seal hunt."
Mary Simon you are a traitor to the Inuit people
CieloMarinaris 2 years ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
When I look at You i dont see a Inuit, I see a Soulless, Haeartless inhumane Person who is wearing the Skin of Another!!!!!!!!
In Todays World YOU got Plenty Clothes to Wear!!! No Need to KILL to Live!!! ITS TIME TO ABANDON CRUELTY-Tradition or NOT!!! We can NOT ask the Spanish TO STOP BULLFIGHTING if we can NOT ask YOU to STOP killing Seal Pups or Whales etc.
The Whale or SEAL doesnt care WHO kill HIM or WHY only THAT!
adembasou 2 years ago
adembasou, you couldn't have said it better! :)
Stop the killing now! the sealers kill in the name of fashion, the rotton murderers!
Groudon128 2 years ago
Paul Watson said it RIGHT!!! They should STÒP Killing!! MURDER aint CULTURE, Inuit or NOT!!!
adembasou 2 years ago
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adembasou 2 years ago
The world is fed up with the savagery of the Canadian commercial seal hunt. Ms. Simon should reconsider her disingenuous support of this brutal industry, or risk completely turning away persons once sympathetic to the Inuit cause.
Ms. Simon will not win the Inuit world favor standing alongside men who beat to death 325,000 baby seals, while accusing animal rights groups of profiting from the massacre. This approach will surely backfire.
I agree, 10bears. Mary should keep her mouth shut.
CDLver 2 years ago 3
I do not profess to be a harbinger of the future, only a very well educated muse.. It is in your cards Mary Simon, as you know. The Ban WILL come. It is...inevitable. The harp seal movement is possible thee strongest animal welfare movement in human history. Either you side against the White commercial seal hunt, or suffer the consequences of allying yourself with "wrong". You have had an olive branch extended to you by HSUS, IFAW and PETA whom which I am in contact with. It's your move.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 3
Although I do not speak on their (PETA, IFAW or HSUS) behalf.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
Of course, you don't have the courage to do so. Instead the anti sealing lobby will blame "white people" who live in Newfoundland. The conventions of political correctness are not extended to that group, so they're an easy target. Blame away, but you know you and the anti sealing lobby destroyed the Inuit livelihood from seal products. You and the anti sealing lobby don't even have the courage to take ownership for the results of your convictions. Hmmm ,who else that you know of used scapegoats
Beebelbrox100 2 years ago
XB70Playboy or Boomerang110, in your post "Ersabette befriends a published bigot your voice sounds exactly like the orator in the vid "Inuit vs Commercial seal hunt" The creator of that latter vid blames white people for the economic hardship the Inuit face due to seal product bans. Yet ,Mary Simon, the Inuit spokesperson clearly states the actions of the anti sealing lobby as the catalyst for Inuit economic hardship. Not white NLers. When will you and the anti sealing lobby take ownersip?
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EFSAQ2007118 2 years ago
Mary, I have watched your video & I disagree. Your people have been granted an exemption because they use all of the seal & do not leave dead carcasses on the ice. It is my understanding that you would still be able to sell seal products to the EU nations...the fewer of those products there are, the higher the price. So, no, I don't buy your argument. I think your people would make out like bandits!Keep it up & you'll destroy your own culture. Maybe you should keep your mouth shut.
10bears2 2 years ago 3
Strong words from an Aboriginal American. If I were you Mary, I'd listen to your people, not the interest of the Hudson Co.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 2
More of the seal would be used if markets were allowed to be created. Whether an industry exists or not the seals will still need to be killed to maintain healthy herds. Unfortunetely it will be even more wasteful if there are no markets or industry at all.
Ersabette 2 years ago