11th part salvation of all real christians I send you love to you all my brothers and sisters in blood and Christ.I urge our church fathers to finally take their crosses and try to feel the heaviness of them.Having a long fasting(post)let them gather asking each other for forgiveness,open the Evangelie and set the way for our Lords Coming.Real monastic people will never consider topics about belongings and making borders, but only spiritual ones.Fathers,your crosses are heaviest before Christ.
10yh part in the 3rd century that oficially became christian city in the world, through the holy work of St. Erasmo Ohridski. The holy union of our only orthodox church need to be established there. I appreciate the surrounding churches and nationalities claiming that teh church of Macedonia is theirs, but only in the meaning of the orthodox unity, not some satanic nationalistic claims about belonging. Eatrhly thoughts of belongings are destruction for the faith and road to hell. With hope for
9th part For the end I will just add my grandmother's view of Ohrid. From her side I have a branch of priests ancestors... When I was a child I remember when she was telling me that in Ohrid will be placed the second Erusalem of the coming of our lord Isus Hristos. She never told me why she claim that, but I leave you my brothers to think and research about that "idea". I believe that acircle need to be finished... Christianity in Europe started from Macedonia and Ohrid was the first city that
8th part Look how we orthodox are divided and poor. No national church nor the church of Konstantinopol will reunite us as one non political Chist church to prepare us for the end times. Only the church of Macedonia or the Ohrid Patriarchy has that moral, not right but value. And that recovering can be only done by the honest innitiation and active participation by the hole Slavic orthodox world. If you claim to be real folowers of Christ and not modern nationalists you will understand my words
Also, the roots of the Russian church are in the face of the St. Kliments church too, read about the first Slavic university and Knez Vladimir of Kiev Rus and their ties. Most honestly I see that the church of Ohrid need to be returned to its original level, as it has never legal grounds to be destroyed. It is the mother church of all Slavs, the foundation of the Slavic orthodoxy. Only recovered by the faithfull we will get the moral power to claim fairness and remain Christ followers.
6th part was brought to Ohrid. Find teh old Macedonian songs about that lawless behaviour back then and the ruining of the hopes of the Slavs to unite in the fight against the Turkish empire. So, please make distinction between the national church of any country and the real meaning of a church as institution. Don't forget taht Ohrid church is the St. Kliment church, who's student later spread and established the churches in the territories of the south Slavs from bellow Solun upto even Chehia.
5th part the Turkish government back then. It is known that in 1767, the sultan decided to destroy the by dicreet the church of Ohrid(even as a muslimhe didn't have any authority to do that), finding the solution with replacing with the moral rule of the Constantinopol church. That was a guarantee for the turks that the Balkan slavs will become morally more attached to the empire. The church rank was lowered and the greek bishop(before Greks never had their leg put in our territories) was
4th part the Ohrid Patriarchy and wanted politicaly to destroy the Slavic Christian mother by distroying our mother church, that was unifying the slavs also against the rule of the muslims. The church of Macedonia or the Ohrid Ptriarchy never tried to lead peoples to any national councesness but to unity in our lord Isus Hristos. And that the real true church is intended to do. It is true that church of Constantinopol strugling to remain in the center of Turkish empire made many compromices with
3rd part in the times of islamic occupancy. Remember taht Ohrid patriarchy didn't have government back up in that time. In the books you will find that orthodox slavic from the Balkan when asked where they come from, they would say from Macedonia. This reflects the traditional moral and spiritual ties of the people, not a kingdom of Macedonia or Macedonian nationality for all the south slavs. All of this means it was a real gods church on our teritorries. Turky was aware of the moral power of
2nd part over other teritorries. The great shizm of the churches is when they claim authority over teritorries where another orthodox kingdom is established. Remember where is a king(government) tere should be a church to advice him or guide him for correct ruling in the Christ name.The case with the macedonian or Ohrid Patriarchy before 1767 was clear and in the meaning of the canons. It was the only church on the Balkans that had moral authority to advice and guide the orthodox people in the
Dear brothers, I agree for the true believers there is only oine church and thats it...It's totally unimportant how many local churches are there... In the orthodox law every country has right on it's own church... and I conect this with the honest purpose of that law, which is the church as a moral advisory for the rulers. Its is because od the sinful governments wanting dominancy over bigger teritorry, misrepresent the emaning of the law and encourage churches to claim ruling rights over other
@SerbianWolhv@SerbianWolhv THE OHRID ARCHDIOCESE OR NOW, THE MACEDONIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH IS OLDER THEN PECH PATRIARCHY OR NOW, THE SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH, I.E. IT'S A MOTHER-CHURCH OF THE PECH CHURCH. Nothing in the history of Christianity in the Slavic peoples and literacy did not come from the north to the south, but it was opposit. The South has gave to the northern peoples literacy, religion and culture.
@SerbianWolhv The Archiepiscopacy of Ohrid until 16 January 1767 never been under jurisdiction of Constantnople, but was always on the same level in Eastern Christianity. On that date, by Sultan decree, The Archiepiscopacy of Ohrid was abolished and was given under the jurisdiction of Constantinople, because of financial problems, which is not the truth. The truth is not too far then today's political games against Mcedonia and the church.
The archibishop Jovan IX in 681 AD have attended the Synod of Trula in Constatinople. After him St Clement Of Ohrid was Archibishop of Archiepiscopacy of Ohrid. According to all churche's document from that time The Devolians (Ohrid) Episcopes were the Religious leader in Macedonia, not the Patriarch of Constantinople, this mean that Ohrid church had have an Autonomy. The Ohrid Chrch in that time was the only one major church from Macedonia up to today's Czeh Republic.
@SerbianWolhv Did you say that this is schism and heresy? You saying that, those churches which are the same churches from that time, used as a temples of God, same as in that time, nothing changed, which are temples of the Macedonian Orthodox Church today, you saying that is not a holy church but is schism? come-on man!! Be careful what you talking about!
@SerbianWolhv The only things that comes from the north to the south are propaganda, communisam and nationalism. Is this, Jovan's Sect was formed during the reign of Milisevic? :)) The Serbian dictator Milosevic was creator of The Serbian Citizen Jovan as a sectarian leaders and his Sect, as a failed project called The Greater Serbia? :)))
@tripleMboy The council of Nish vas in 2003,genius,when shismatic leaders of yours signed that you are returning to your mother church,but,because of pressure of your commie gouvernment,your bishops became sect again,with anathema from every church,only arcb.Jovan refused,and he is neo martyr now and political refugee.None of orthodoxy regonises MPC,created by KPJ,so you are sect,and your,,church,,should be,therefore,returned back to Constantinople Patriarchate
@SerbianWolhv Thanks God, now after the fall of Milosevic, Serbia is finally that what it deserves, A Democratic European country, except of some fools like you that continue to dream about your disastrous politic from the last century.
@SerbianWolhv That's tghe truth! but we're talking about the consequences, not about the beauty of these people. :))) I do not generalize the things, because after all they are just individuals and not the entire people.
@tripleMboy Macedonian people is one of my favs.and i personnaly respect it,but national policy should not mix with church.We don't want Macedonia to be Serbian again,cuz Macedonia have its own identity as state and as people,but your church must return to it's mother,so that we become one people,in Christ of course,once more.My faith is higher than my nationality,and so should you think
@SerbianWolhv - jebi se ti zajedno sa tim raspopom Jovanom !!! kad smo mi bili hrishcani u Makedoniji i imali svoju Crkvu , vi ste Srbi josh bili pagani ! nasha je Crkva starija 3 vekova od vashe , a sad vi da nam budete " majka " Crkva !!!??? idi pasi ovce po Shumadiji , shugo jedna !
@BERZITI Pa i katolici su bili Crkva pa dje su?Samo sanjajte sektasi da ste Crkva,jer koga stvori Tito,nema veze sa Bogom.Uzivajte raskolnici,pozdravio vas je papa
@SerbianWolhv - i shta sad , pa zar nisu katolici Crkva , ne postoje !!!??? gde bre zivish ti , u pecini !!!??? jebo te i papa i Tito , nasha je Crkva starija 304 godina od vashe ! chitj malo prosveti se shugo nacionalistichka , imash kompjuter potrazi , nemoj da gledash samo pornice i da lupetash gluposti po Internetu srbendo bandoglava ! trazi kad je osnovana Ohridska Patrijarshija , i kad je osnovana Pecka , pa mi se onda javi ! jes,l razumeo ??/
@BERZITI Pa nije ti Crkva drzava,pa da mozete da se sprdate sa njima,JER SAMO JE JEDNA CRKVA ISTINSKA,a vi ste izvan nje,raskolnici i smrad hriscanstva.Ja nisam nacionalista,ali smatram da je deljenje Crkve zbog prljavih politickih ciljeva VMRO komunjara najgori bunt protiv Boga.Pa sta i da ste stariji?Dzabe kad vas niko ne priznaje za Crkvu,sektasi.I Satana se pogordio jer je bio bolji od drugih andjela,pa je odbacen od Boga.Ko sebe uzdize,nisko pada,a lazna crkva je sekta,pa bila i Carigradska
@SerbianWolhv - najveci SMRAD Hriscanstva ste VI, vasha SPC , i vasha braca Grci , jebali te oni i ti njih ! vi niste Crkve , vec politichko - intrigantske Organizacije , pune pedofila i razvratnika ! mi smo Apostolska Crkva , najstarija ! Pravoslavne Crkve nisu kao Rimokatolici dirigirani iz jednog centra , to su NACIONALNE Crkve ! mi imamo svoju nezavisnu drzavu , ne mozete vi da nam popujete u njoj , vi ste za nas stranci ! i bash nas briga shto nas niko ne priznaje !!! ko vas JEBE !
@BERZITI To svi sektasi kazu.Vi niste crkva,nego politicki aparat koji sluzi za kontrolisanje i spijunazu Makedonaca od VMRO.Rezim VMRO je klasicno komunjarski,sa primesama fasizma,a takva je i crkva,na celu sa raskolnikom Stefanom,koji poziva na linc Srba i jedinog priznatog ohridskog arhiepiskopa Jovana Vraniskovskog,ispovednika i mucenika,koji strada od bezboznog VMRO,samo zato sto hoce da MPC bude u jedinstvu sa svim pravoslavnim crkvama,a VMRO je lakse da kontrolise MPC kad je u raskolu
@SerbianWolhv - glup si ko kurac bedo jedna ! kakav bre VMRO , kakav Crvenkovski , kakvi bakrachi ! nema shta da mi pregovaramo sa vama ! vi niste Crkva , to je skup nacionalista , pedofila i lopova , shurujete sa Grcima protiv slovenske i pravoslavne brace , al Bog sve vidi i sve vraca , i to sa kamatom ! a to djubre i raspop Vranishkovski , ako ima muda neka dodje , odma ide u chuzu , lopuza i izrod , lize dupe i vama i Grcima ! MPC - Ohridska Arhiepiskopija - REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA !
@BERZITI E moje govedo nacionalisticko proci ce godina dok ne budete utuvili glavu da Crkva nije drzava i da je Crkva ziva zajednica,a ne prcija nekakvih ludih raspopa kao sto su vasi.Celo vas pravoslavlje smatra za sektu,i nista niste bolji od sekte
@BERZITI A sto se tice Vraniskovskog,od nije raspop,jer ga istinska Crkva nije rascinila,vec samo satanska parasinagoga zvana MPC,i on je mucenik pravoslavlja protiv rezima VMRO i komunjara.Gori ste od muslimana
@SerbianWolhv - razcinila ga je Crkva kojoj je pripadao , zato je RASPOP !!! a prebegao je kod vas zbog PARA , i da ne bi ishao u zatvor zbog pronevere 250 000 evra dok je bio vladika Veleshko - Povardarske eparhije MPC ! a tebi ako je mio i muchenik , vodi ga kuci ! a muslimana ima taman onoliko dobrih i loshih kolko shto ima i nas hriscana ! Makedonija je nezavisna drava i ima svoju Crkvu , , eparhije u Evropi , USA , Kanadi , Australiji , i bash nasbriga za vas , grke , i ostale shoviniste
@SerbianWolhv - DRKACE MI GA TVOJA SESTRA OPANCARU JEDAN ! vi ste Crkva ??? pedofili ,nacionalisti i lopovi ??? jeste , vi ste DJAVOLJA CRKVA ! 304 godina je nasha Crkva starija od vase !
@SerbianWolhv - nama je hriscanstvo dao Sveti Apostol Pavle , nasha je Crkva Apostolska srbendo jedna jadna i luda ! 304 godina je nasha Crkva starija od vashe , 3 vekova i kusur ! idi sad ti kod Pahomija u Vranje na jebanje !
@BERZITI Koji apostol Pavle,kad ste nastali 1960-tih,jer MPC nikad nije ni postojala,kao ni makedonski narod,koji je,kao od Grka Aleksandra Velikog.Ko vas priznaje za crkvu?Niko,jer ste obicna sekta i gomila raskolnika,koji ste sve samo ne crkva.Anatema od celokupnog pravoslavlja nije mala stvar,vec zig da ste prokleti i odbaceni kao komunjare i bezbozni izrodi
@SerbianWolhv - umesto da se glupirash po Interntu , bolje bi ti bilo da procitash neku knjigu , ili da trazish po Enciklopedijama pa da vidish da je preteca danashnje MPC - OA , Ohridska Patrijarshija , 304 godina starija od Pecke Patrijarshije , srbendo blentava ! i bash nas zabole kurac oli cete vi i Grci nas priznati ! imamo drzavu, imamo Crkvu , ko vas j..... !
@SerbianWolhv - nama ne treba nikakvo priznanje od mafijashko - lopovsko - pedpfilskih kvazi - crkava poput vashe i grcke ! zato cuti , idi sedni Pahomiju u skut da ti ga izdrka i uzivaj !
@SerbianWolhv - ALOOOOOOOOOOOO, zabole nas kurac za priznanje od vas ,Grka iz Atine i Istanbula ! a i Rusi to ne rade jer imaju Ukrajinu !to nisu Crkve , to su POLITIKANTI !
@BERZITI Ne,vi ste politikanti,jer inace ne biste jeli govna koje su vasi dragi Tito i VMRO izasrali.Mogu i ja da se proglasim predsednikom Amerike,kao vi sto vas je UDBA,bez odobrenja Crkve,proglasila,ali kurac malo.Da pojasnim.Po kanonima,samo vladike mogu izglasati stvaranje autokefalne Crkve,a nikad drzava,kamoli komunjarska.Niti je MPC crkva,niti je vas Stefan arhiepiskop.
@SerbianWolhv - ti mozesh da budesh proglashen samo titulom NAJVECA BUDALA Srbije i nishta vishe , ha,ha,ha ! kakva crna UDBA , kakaav VMRO, kakav Tito ! MPC - OA je starija pravoslavna Crkva od vashe SPC !!! STARIJA ZA 304 GODINA , heeeej , 3 i kusur vekova ! u Jugi je samo OBNOVLJENE , oslobodjena od vas LOPOVA i POLITIKANATA , DJAVOLA u mantijama !
@BERZITI Ja tek sad vidim koliko si ti prso.Ako ste pravi,zasto zatvarate Vraniskovskog?Bog nece dozvoliti da vrata paklena nadvladaju Crkvu,zar ne?Pa ako je tako,sto se sluzite inkvizicijom?Uzmi neki izvor sem makedonskog da vidis STA se zapravo desilo u vasoj Crkvi,a ne one lazi koje se vama serviraju,od proterivanja pravih vladika u MK,do nasilnog monasenja svestenika i infiltracije bezboznog svestenickog udruzenja u vas klir,kao i krsenja Niskog sporazuma od komunjara iz VMRO,koji vas lazu
@SerbianWolhv - za IZRODA i RASPOPA Zorana Vranishkovskog si jedino nadlezni Makedonski sudovi ! on je utajio ( UKRAO) 250 000 euro dok je bio Vladika u Veleshko -- Povardarskoj Eparhiji ! a sve ostalo sto pricash nema veze sa zivotom i istinom ! nikad vise nece srpski,grcki i bugarski popvi ( djavoli u mantijama ) , da tumaraju po MAKEDONSKOJ zemlji i truju dushe MAKEDONACA ! to da vam bude svima jasno !
@BERZITI Sto jedes govna kada je medjunarodni sud pravde dokazao da ste ga zatvorili SAMO jer se protivio terorizmu Makedonske vlade?Lol,informisi se malo
@SerbianWolhv - koji crni Medjunarodni sud , koji terorizam bre srbendo glupava !!!??? razmishljaj malo svokom glavom tikvane jedan ! on je bio vladika , chlan Sinoda , jel to terorizam !!!??? on ke obicna LOPUZA koja je ukrala 250 000 euro , a da ne bi zaglavio u zatvoru , sad je kod vas , a vi ga koristite kako Trojanskog konja ( magarca ) u MK ! gluplji si nego sto sam mislio da jesi !
@SerbianWolhv - koji crni Medjunarodni sud , koji terorizam bre srbendo glupava !!!??? razmishljaj malo svokom glavom tikvane jedan ! on je bio vladika , chlan Sinoda , jel to terorizam !!!??? on ke obicna LOPUZA koja je ukrala 250 000 euro , a da ne bi zaglavio u zatvoru , sad je kod vas , a vi ga koristite kako Trojanskog konja ( magarca ) u MK ! gluplji si nego sto sam mislio da jesi !
@BERZITI Auuuu jbt,ceo svet je glup,samo ste vi Makedonci pametni...O_o...Koliko vas pune propagandom to je strasno kako su vam mozak isprali.Evropski sud za ljudska prava u Strazburu je dokazao da je vladika Jovan nevin i oklevetan kao politicki nepodobna osoba rezimu VMRO-DPMNE,jer je potpisao Niski sporazum o ujedinjenju Crkve.Toliko ste prsli da verujete da je Aleksandar Veliki Sloven kao vi,a ne Grk kao sto je bio,vi smesni falsifikatori istorije
@SerbianWolhv - ti izgleda umesto glave i mozga imash dupe od majmuna na glavi !!! kad je bio sporazum u Nishu , Zoran Vranishkovski odavno nije bio u redovima MPC ! NIJE ON TAMO NISHTA POTPISAO U IME MPC !
nema sta da on bude ili ne bude POLITICKI podobna osoba , on je bio crkovno lice , i ne sme da tura nos u politiku i partijska zbivanja , al vi i ne znate drugacije, vasi popovi su najveci POLITIKANTI ! A oko Aleksandra , ima tu pa gledaj , srpska videa Jovana Deretica , ceo svet su Srbi !
@BERZITI Kako nije bio u MPC kad je te 2002 bio vladika Veleski i Podvardarski?I ne samo on,vec su sve vase vladike potpisale,pa ih je drzava nezakonito naterala,pod pretnjama,da prekrse sporazum,cineci time Crkvu u MK taocem drzave,a vas klir,u sta sam se sam uverio,tajno zeli crkveno jedinstvo.Zasto se drzava umesala u interni spor Crkve?Zbog lakse kontrole Makedonaca.Sto se Deretica tice,taj je odavno poludeo,i ne jebe ga ni 2% ljudi u Srbiji.
@SerbianWolhv - Jovan je tada bio u zatvoru IDRIZOVO ! samo Bitolski vladika Petar je potpisao , niko drugi ! MAKEDONSKI narod nikkad im to nece dozvoliti ! nema shta vi da trazite kod nas , imate svoju drzavu i svoju Crkvu , i gledajte svoja posla ! ne meshajte se u tudja !
@BERZITI I gde je sad istina?Da li u izvorima svetske javnosti(ne srpske ili grcke),ili u izvorima jedne totalitarne diktatorske drzave kao sto je Makedonija,u kojoj opozicija,prema statistikama,gotovo da nema svoja glasila,pravo govora i izjasnjavanja,kao i mnoga druga prava,kako kaze Amnesty International,i gde se svaka vest cenzurise i prepravlja,kao recimo,to da je samo jedan vas vladika bio u Nisu 2003 godine
@SerbianWolhv - koja bre svetska javnost , shta lupetash chovece !!!??? ti bre Srbin , pripadnik naroda koji je izvrshio prvi GENOCID posle Drugog svetskog rata , ti ces da nas ucis demokratiji, ludska prava , prava manjina , opozicije i.t.d . !!!??? zavuci se bre u neku rupu i chuti ! pametniji si kad nishta ne govorish !
@SerbianWolhv - kakvi kompleksi bre blento jedna ??? istina boli ??? DA, ona je bolna , al shta da vam radim kad imate grehova koje nikada ne mozete da operete ! ceo zivot da provedete na kolena , moleci za oprost , malo vam je !
@SerbianWolhv - DA ,ja ti pricam ! a pricali bi ti i Hrvati i Bosanci kad bih ih pitao ! grehe ne moze da vam opere ni Dunav ni Sava ni Morava zajedno !
@SerbianWolhv - PA ZAR VI VERUJETE U BOGA !!!??? JEL STE VEROVALI I KAD STE KLALI PO SREBRENICI ??? JEL VAS bOG ucio da koljete bljizneg svoga ??? marsh bre u 3 pizde materine , ti ces da tu nekom solis pamet , djubre jedno !
@SerbianWolhv - dok su bile komunjare , nije bilo klanja na Balkanu , klale su chetnichine vashljive ko shto si ti ! mi imamo pravoslavlje prvi od juznih slovena , i Crkvu stariju 304 godina od vashe !
@BERZITI Eeee moj ti,komunjare su posle rata pobile 25000 ljudi u Yugi,vise nego cetnicki zlocini zajedno.I sta ako ste stariji?Koga boli kurac sto ste stariji ako ste ste otpali od Crkve i postali sekta
@SerbianWolhv - mi smo pristali na to 1912 !!!??? i jos ti mene na zivash RETARD ??? onda si ti RETARDCHINA ! pa govno jedno , 1912 - 1913 je Makedonija okupirana i podeljena od vas Srba,Bugara i Grka gjubretino jedna , a mi to kao pristali sami ??? jebem ti gjubre lazljivo ti jebem !
kako moze jovan da bude nevin kad postoji makedonska pravoslavna crkva sa svojim poglavarima a jovan je izbran od vasu stranu so koje pravo vi to radite bre ej jeste li vi ludi ili sta ti ces nekomu reci da je ili nije pravoslavan vi ste ne znam bog da cuva
@drumercoka Sta se drzava ima mesati u stvari Crkve,ko da ona sama ne moze to da resi?Zasto nije drzava dala ujedinjenje Crkve 2002,ako je postignut dogovor?Koja prava ima VMRO da hapsi Vraniskovskog,ako je on odlucio da postuje dogovor,koji je crkven i nema veze sa drzavom?Zasto vase vladike rade kao propagitori VMRO?I,na kraju,zasto vas ne priznaje ni jedna kanonska Crkva na svetu?Razmisli o ovome...
@drumercoka Mene niko,Bogu hvala,ne mora da uci niocemu,jer Srbija je slobodna zemlja u kojoj,za razliku od MK(koliko je cenim,govori to sto je nazivam njenim pravim imenom,a ne FYROM),mogu da dodjem do pravih informacija bez problema,a ne serviranih od vlasti raznom propagandom.Ocito je da je kod vas Crkva postala drzavni aparat,a vi gutate sve sto vam kazu.Kao sto ste progutali ono da ste potomci Aleksandra Velikog i slicno,sto ukazuje na ispiranje mozga sto ste nasledili od SFRJ
@SerbianWolhv kazes da smo mi sekta e bravo bre srbine svaka ti cast ali kazi jedan makedonac koji ti ucinio nesto zlo ili je bio protiv boga ili se ogordeo nekad ajde kazi
@drumercoka Meni licno nijedan Makedonac nije ucinio nesto,ali to ne znaci da ste u pravu sto radite sa Crkvom.Crkva nije vasa ili moja ili icija prcija da bi se mogao svako sa njom zajebavati,bio on laik ili klirik.Sta,dune komunjarama i VMRO da imaju Crkvu,pa resili da se oni njome bave,iako nikad u Crkvu nisu isli.Sram vas bilo,od Crkve ste napravili ministarstvo,sto dokazuje to sto ste napustili pravoslavlje otisavsi u raskol.Ko je u raskolu,ne moze biti Crkva nikada
@SerbianWolhv Niskiot dogovor od 2002 g. e baziran na nelegalen dokument za poseduvanje na crkoven imot na Eparhiite i Parohiite vo vardarskiot okupacionen del na Makedonija izdaden od strana na Carigradskata Patrijasija od 1918 g. za navodna Kupoprodazba sklucena pomedju Srpskata Pravoslavna crkva i Carigradskata Patrijasija za reguliranje na pravata na Crkovniot imot na Ohridskata patrijasija. Carigrad nemal nikakvo pravo da prodava nesto sto ne e vo negova sopstvenot. ----->>>
---> Da pojasnam: Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija e ukinata so dekret na Sultanot vo 1767 i e stavena pod Duhovna Jurisdikcija na Carigradskata patrijasija. Pred toa Ohriodskata Arhiepiskopija e Samostojna i ne e pod ingerencija na Carigrad. Vo oficijalnoto obrazlozenie za ukinuvanje na Ohriskata Arhiepiskopija kako pricini se naveduvaat deka nema dovolno fin. sredstva, a vistinata e druga, toe nastojuvanjeto na Grckite fanarioti preku Carigrad za dominacija nad celiot toj prostor ---->>
---->>Spored Turskiot dekret Crkovniot imot na Eparhiite i Parohiite mu pripadja na Sultanot, t.e. Osmanliskoto Carstvo, a Sultanot pod odredeni danoci mu go dodeluva toj imot na koristenje na Carigradskata patrijasija na koja po ukinivanjeto i se dava Duhovnata vlast nad eparhiite na ukinatata Ohridksa Patrijasija! Znaci Duhovna vlast a ne materijalna i imotna sopstvenot. Od ova izleguva deka Carigrad nema sopstvenicko pravo nad crkovniot imot, so toa ne moze ni da go prodava --->
-->>Vo 1874 god Turskata vlast povtorno se mesa vo crkovnite problemi. So dekret na Sultanot e formirana Bugarskata patrijasija (Egzarhija) koja ne e priznata od niedna Pravoslavna crkva se do 1950 god. Sultanot ovoj pat Duhovnata vlast nad eden mal del OA i ja odzema na Carigrad i i ja dodeluva na Bugarskata Egzarhija preku navoden plebiscit. Vo toa vreme Bugarija e knezevstvo, a Eparhite na OA se nadvor od Bugarija, pa zatoa e formirana Egzarhija koja rakovodi so tie Eparhii --->>
Vo 1918 g. posle konecnoto proteruvanje na Turcite i podelbata na Makedonija Srpskata Pravoslavna Crkva od carigrad ja dobiva Duhovnata vlast i dokument so koj navodno SPC go kupila crkovniot imot na Eparhiite na OA vo Vardarskiot del na Makedonija. Do den denesen ne e obelodent toj dokument javno. Posle ova Srbskata okupaciona vlast vo Makedonija gi proteruva Bugarskiot i Grckiot (Egzarhiski i Patrijski) kler od Makedonija i postavuva Srpski vladisci i popovi. ---->>
--->> Vo 1945 god se odrzuva prviot crkveno-naroden sobor vo Makedonija za vozobnovuvanje na OA. Srpskiot synod i dava avtonomija na Makedonskata Pravoslavna crkva. Vo 1959 Vladikata Dositej e izbran za prv poglavar na MPC koj e priznata od SPC. priznavanjeto go potpisal patrijarhot German vo Skopje vo istata godina. Vo 1962 g vo Skopje pristiga Ruskiot patrijarh i zaedno so srpskiot prisustvuvaat na Prvata liturgija na Makedonskiot poglavar na MPC. ---->>
---->> na tretior Sinod na MPC vo 1967 MPC vo soglasnost so Svetite kanoni proglasuva Avtokefalnost (samostojnost) na MPC. SPC preku neleglen politikanski dekret gi proglasuva makedonskite Vladici i kler za Sizmatici, a crkvata za sizmaticka, a za toa nema pravo soglasno crkovnite kanoni.
Ova se se odnesuva na duhovnata vlast, dodeka imotite na eparhiite se uredeni so ista spogodba so koja se uredeni i site crkovni imoti na celata teritorijata na SFRJ, ---->>
--->> Spored tie odredbi Makedonija e samostojna republika ramnopravna vo federacijata i ima suverenitet nad celata teritorija na Makedonija, a MPC e edinstvena kanonska pravoslavna crkva vo Makedonija. Po nezavisnosta vo 1991 MPC e vnesena i vo Ustavot na Makedonija kako edinstvena pravoslavna crkva, a soglasno kanonite na pravoslavnite crkvi, vo edna drzava ili teritorija ne moze da ima dve pravoslavni crkvi, so toa crkvata na Vraniskovski i pravno vo Makedonija e Nelegalna Sekta.
@tripleMboy Taj sabor je nelegalan,buduci da je Makedonski klir morao pod prisilom udbe da potpise dokument.Postoje brojni dokazi da je odvajanje MPC bilo dugo pripremano od komunista,te da,posto Crkva-matica,koja mora dati svoj pristanak da bi se oformila Crkva,nije dala blagoslov,MPC nema apsolutno nikakav legitimitet,ni dogmatski ni kanonski.
@SerbianWolhv :) I koj ke ti poveruva vo taa vasa prikazna? Imas nekoi konkretni dokumenti od UDBA ili od CK KPJ koj ke go potvrdi toa? NEMA! Ako ti nagadjas, togas i jas bi rekol deka: Povlekuvanjeto na priznavanjeto na SPC e delo na UDBA. Srpskiot Sinod vo koj postojat dokazi deka vo nego imalo vladici UDBASI pod prisila na UDBA morase da go povlece priznavanjeto na MPC. Kako mozen dokaz e toa sto vo toa vreme so UDBA rakovodat dokazani Srpski nacionalisti kako sto e Rankovic.
ahah Kako moze KOMUNISTICKATA UDBA RAKOVODENA OD SRPSKI NACIONALIST DA PORMIRA CRKVA?? KOMUNISTITE JA ZABRANUVAA RELIGIJATA NASEKADE OD KOREA DO KUBA i gi rusea crkvite!!! Ili mozebi mislis deka KOMUNISTITE VO JUGOSLAVIJA BEA GOLEMI VERNICI?? Crkvite vo Makedonija se najmnogubrojni i najstari na Balkanot a gi ima od 4-5 vek, pa navaka....
@tripleMboy Egzarhija kao nekanonska tvorevina,stvorena kao plod politicke igre Rusije i Turske,a ne kao plod Crkve,se ne moze smatrati pravoslavnom Crkvom,jer,ponavljam,Crkva je Crkva samo ako se prizna na vaseljenskom nivou kao takva.Prema tome,OA je zvanicno i dalje u okviru VP sve do 1918,i nema nikakve veze sa Egzarhijom
@SerbianWolhv Egzarhijata e formirana pod pokrovitelstvo na Rusija, isto kako sto vo 1912/13 Mitropolija Beogradska e formirana kako samostojna isto taka pod patronat na Rusija so posredstvo na togas vlijatelnite crnogorski vladici od Mitropolija Cetinjska. I taa Srpska crkva ne e priznata se do 1920 god koga e formirana Srpskata patrijasija vo SHS. Rusija igra golema uloga vo seto toa zaradi priblizuvanjeto na Ruskite interesi na Balkanot i sudirot so Carigrad koj i denes trae.
@tripleMboy Samo Veleskata, a pokasno i Skopskata eparhija vo Vardarska i Kostursko-Lerinskata vo Egejska Mk se priklucile kon Bugarskata Egzarhija koja bila formirana so Turski dekret i nepriznata od Carigradskata P. Vo toa vreme vo Egejska Mk.se formira Unijatska Crkva, koja e sozdadena od nezadovolni vernicite koi ne sakale da ostanat vo Patrijasijata i ne sakale da pristapat kon Bugarskata Egzarhijata, tuku sakale svoja Makedonska crkva. Familijata na Goce Delcev bile Unijati.
Unijatskata Crkva ima ucilista niz cela MK, a vo Solun imala svoja gimnazija vo koja se skoluvale mnogu istaknati Makedonski revolucioneri od krajot na 19 i pocetokot na 20 vek. Tuka se skoluval, a pokasno bil i ucitel proslaveniot makedonskiot revolucioner Goce Delcev. I taka mnogu momenti od istorijata na Makedonskiot narod se ukradeni od Bugarite ili preinaceni, kako sto e za ovaa gimnazija, za koja Bugarite tvrdat deka bila Egzarska Gimnazija sto e apsolutna nevistina.
@tripleMboy To ne osporava autoritet Carigrada nad Makedonskom Crkvom,jer 1)Praksa peskesa(kupovina crkvenih cinova i oblasti)je bila nuzna mera za sam opstanak Crkve2)Turci su pod Carigradskim patrijarhom videli etnarha ne samo Grka,vec i svih pravoslavaca3)Tako su i duhovnu vlast imali Grci,jer je Negrckih svestenika bilo jako malo,ako ne uopste4)To pravo potvrdjuje i cinjenica da je OA bila Crkva grckog tipa,sa Grckim vladikama i sluzenjem,sve do cara Dusana
@tripleMboy Znam celu pricu,isto se to desilo i sa nasom Crkvom,kao deo"Grckog plana",koji je predvidjao helenizaciju pravoslavnih na balkanu,kao i genocid nad slovenskim stanovnistvom
@tripleMboy Dogovor iz Nisa je bio sasvim legalan,i prihvacen od MPC,sve dok drzavna aparatura nije pocela sa nasiljem.Drugo,kako Carigradska patrijarsija nije mogla prodati Ohridsku Arhiepiskopiju,kad je ova bila pod njenom administrativno-pravnom jurisdikcijom,pod cijom je upravom od fermana iz 1767g.?
@SerbianWolhv Gi mesas duhovnite so zemjenite raboti. Mesas Duhovna so Zemska Vlast. I Peckata patrijasija e ukinata vo 1766g. edna godina pred Ohridskata i priklucena kon Carigradskata patrijasija, no za toa vo 1918 god Srpskata crkva ne gi otkupila imotite na Pec. Ako svoeto ne se kupuva so pari, togas za ona sto ne e tvoe mora da se plati, spored nekoja logika, sto potvrduva deka Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija nikogas pred toa ne bila Srpska.
@SerbianWolhv So t.n. "dogovor od Nis" Srbskata Crkva nisto ne dobiva, a dogovorot ne go otfrli vlasta - TUKU MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD I VERNICITE se tie koi ne go prifatija toj dogovor. Nema nikakvo nasilstvo, tuku kriminal tezok milioni dolari koj go napravil Vraniskovski. Malku e cudno kako Srpskata crkva za svoi egzarhi ima kriminalci kako Vraniskovski? Protivenjeto na SPC za priznavanje na MPC e samo Srpsko podrzuvanje na Grckiot sovinizam nisto drugo, toa go priznavaat i mnogu Srbi
@SerbianWolhv sto tresis gluposti!! Kako moze KOMUNIST DA PORMIRA CRKVA?? KOMUNISTITE JA ZABRANUVAA RELIGIJATA i gi rusea crkvite!!! Ili mozebi mislis deka crkvite vo Makedonija koi se najmnogubrojni na Balkanot a gi ima od 4-5 vek, pa 9-10, 16*17 itn ti se rakolnicki??? Za tebe tie hramovi se raskolnicki, a sveti se vasite izgradeni vo 19 i 20 vek??? KAKVA GLUPOST!! KOMSIJA AKO IMAS NESTO DRUGO PROTIV NAS KAZI OTVORENO, NE MESAJ JA CRKVATA?? POZZ
@tripleMboy Slusaj,ja nemam nista protiv vas,ali treba da znate istinu.Tokom 60-tih,UDBA je,putem "Svestenickog udruzenja"dala nalog da se MPC nasilno otcepi od matice,da bi se lakse kontrolisao narod,jer su znali poboznost Makedonskog naroda.Stoga su proterali zakonite episkope i nasilno zamonasili neke svestenike,koji su potom,nezakonito,sami sebe proglasili za episkope.To se desilo i u SSSR sa Ukrajinom.MPC je danas samo igracka VMRO,koje je koristi za politiku,i zato ne da mirenje sa SPC
@SerbianWolhv opet krivi!!!!! KOJA BESE UDBA??? Navedi eden makedonec koj rakovodel so UDBA!! So UDBA rakovodese Rankovic, Srbin do jaja, tako je?? UDAB bese sostavena od najgolem del Srbi, i toa poranesni pripadnici na Crno-Ruak ili neznam koko se vikala pred toa!!! Nema nisto vistina vo taa prikazna!! Od UDBA vo Makedonija stradaa mnogu popovi i ludje zaradi verata. A sega kazi koj Svestenik e proteran od Makedonija?? Nikoj!! Toa se istite tie koi ostanaa i posle toa!!
@tripleMboy Sta Tita zabole sto je Rankovic Srbin,kad mu je prece da vlada MK?Ti Srbi u UDBI nista nisu doneli dobro Srbima.Mnogo je episkopa proterano,kao mitropolit Josif,npr.,da bi se osnovao pandan komunistickom"Svestenickom udruzenju"u Srbiji,a to je komunisticka MPC.Najgore je sto je VMRO zabranio pregovore MPC sa SPC,potvrdjujuci svoju klero-fasisticku politiku.Ako ste prava crkva,sto nemate muda da pregovarate sa SPC?Vi ste samo igracka Crvenkovskog i nista vise
@SerbianWolhv Ne tresi gluposti Budalo edna!! I da znaes nema poveke da ti repliciram na tvoite gluposti, posto uste malku ke mozeme da slunime od tebe deka popovite namesto evangelie go citale komunistickiot manifest i deka namesto krst, se prekrstuvale na srp i cekan.. Na tvoite gluposti mu nema kraj, no sega, bidejki imam dobro mislenje za Srbite voopsto, nesakam so tebe da diskutiram na taa relacija Makedonija - Srbija, a takvi Kopiljaci kako sto si ti sekogas imalo i sekade ke ima!!!
@tripleMboy Samo ti budi dobar i glasaj za VMRO,koji ti i odrzava tu nakaznu MPC.Da nema VMRO i Crvenkovskog,ne bi bilo ni MPC.Uzivajte u narednih 10 godina bede i diktature VMRO(mi smo preziveli Milosevica,i znam kako je)
Ahh the good old NAZI Church who imported Fascist German King (house of Sachenbourg und gotha) to Bulgaria , who in his turn gave some power to Hitler , but not before Betraying Vasil Levski He was The Bulgarian Zorro and master of Disguises but also a great Democrat he said No Replacing Sultan With King ... Religion is a disease and has to be fought...
"macedonian" church is a schismatic church , no other orthodox church recognise this church, you are not a realy orthodox church ,and you are not macedonians
@drumercoka in the monastery of athos "dohiarion" is a picture of alexander the grate in byzantine stile .painted bye theofanis in 1569 . the text on the icon is like thes "alexander the king of greeks. hmmmmmmm were is the greek propaganda ?in the holy bible the book prophet daniel he write(hebru)"alexander amacdon meleh a yavanim" =( greek)alexander o makedon vasilefs ellinon=(engles)alexander the macedonian king of greece. oh greek propaganda..........?
@homocorpus Btyw, you serbian cousin recognize the Country with capital Skopje as Macedonian republic
But you must be dumb to confuse province of Macedonia (Greek) and Republic pf Macedonia, like Province in Luxembourg (in Belgium) and Grand Duché of Luxembourg, they did not make histories
asept it ,you are a slavik nation , a total slavik nation , we are ole brothers bat the truth is that you are slavs like serbs and bulgarians, it is not bad . maybe you are slavomacedonians bat you are not pureplood macedonians becouse you are not speaking anciend macedonian dialect(greek) , maybe you are macedonians and you have exslavized by years so you are greeks(macedonians) in deepness, it is not bad, bt it is andihistoryk to say that macedonians was speaking a lenguage like yours....
byzantines was greeks, in ole world orthodoxy is known as greek orthodox christianity. why ? because byzantines wer greeks, even and the roman katholics popes colle byzantines as greks. byzantines sprend orthodoxy to ole slavik world . konstantinupole is the mother church of ole orthodox churches . do you know wat is the nationality of patriarch of konstantinupol? he is greek . and patriarchet of konstantinouploe is the patriarchet of byzantioum . so byzantioum is the greek midle age empair
All greeks out there, and especially the ones who have commented this video..... ever heard of Karma???? what goes around comes around??? well all the poisin you have been spitting out to the world about Macedonians will come back and bite you all in the ass, and its starting to happen, because no one else around the world wants to hear the pure 100% bullshit that come out of your mouth so do us all a fovour and shut the fuck up
nice greek hymns transleted to slavonik lenguage by kyril and methodios the greeks brothers from thessalonika. they are the apostolos of byzantioum to ole slavs
@gajda1984 in the monastery of athos "dohiarion" is a picture of alexander the grate in byzantine stile .painted bye theofanis in 1569 . the text on the icon is like thes "alexander the king of greeks. hmmmmmmm were is the greek propaganda ?in the holy bible the book prophet daniel he write(hebru)"alexander amacdon meleh a yavanim" =( greek)alexander o makedon vasilefs ellinon=(engles)alexander the macedonian king of greece. oh greek propaganda..........?
@gajda1984 in the monastery of athos "dohiarion" is a picture of alexander the grate in byzantine stile .painted bye theofanis in 1569 . the text on the icon is like thes "alexander the king of greeks. hmmmmmmm were is the greek propaganda ?in the holy bible the book prophet daniel he write(hebru)"alexander amacdon meleh a yavanim" =( greek)alexander o makedon vasilefs ellinon=(engles)alexander the macedonian king of greece. oh greek propaganda..........?
I'd say 3000 years ago Macedonians want their name. Your name should be TrueEthiopian. My grandfather came from the village of Capari in 1936, with "MACEDONIAN" as his ethnicity. Macedonian is taught in every University in the USA and is recognized as the republic of Macedonia by the USA. Shut up with your politics you greek devils!
there is no such thing as a "macedonian" orthodox church. You split from the Serbian church in 1967 and no orthodox Patriarchate recognizes your autocephaly.
What beautiful Music, and what a wonderful witness for Orthodox Christianity. And why all this chatter about "hellenic, slavic, Greek, Macedonian"...etc..? We are all "sojourners" or pilgrims here. Our citizenship is in heaven!!! That's ORTHODOX!!
The Macedonians (Greeks) taught these fake Macedonians religion, alphabet and everything. And in return you guys take our name? How dare you. MAKEDONIA = HELLAS!
The Greek propaganda started during Ottoman Empire. First recognize Macedonian as indigenous people endopy. After 1913 Greek propaganda has been change. Greece gain territories by occupying Aegean Macedonia, and the first thing was how to keep that. 1924First Macedonian ABECEDAR was published in Greece and was written in Roman Script, because in that time Greek government make a clear distinction between Macedonians and other Balkan people who using Cyrillic alphabet, Serbian and Bulgarian.
Today Greeks government spreading propaganda for that same people, that they are now Bulgarians etc. This is nothing just one more dirty Greek propaganda to try to keep occupied territories.
@tripleMboy in the monastery of athos "dohiarion" is a picture of alexander the grate in byzantine stile .painted bye theofanis in 1569 . the text on the icon is like thes "alexander the king of greeks. hmmmmmmm were is the greek propaganda ?
@tripleMboy that you are macedonians like alexander the grate. is your church a schismatic church or not ? heve your church any racognation from any other church? no . if the greek propaganda starts from 1922 then why ole historians from the 1500 call the helinistic period as hellinistic and not macedonistic period?
@tripleMboy in the monastery of athos "dohiarion" is a picture of alexander the grate in byzantine stile .painted bye theofanis in 1569 . the text on the icon is like thes "alexander the king of greeks. hmmmmmmm were is the greek propaganda ?
Cant you have at least little respect, if not for us, for God, and leave those comments for the other videos where you can share your opinions with the others, please enjoy the chants.... thank you.
You are probably not a Christian, and not an orthodox. All Christian and orthodox respect each other as religious brothers. No hates between orthodox brothers. By the way merry Christmas and happy new year...
And one more thing... You are saying that Ciril and Metodi were Greeks....ok you know a lot-but you confirmed your knowlage while saying that they created Cirilics.... And you are telling me history.... If you dont know...they didnt create Cirilic...
They created the alphabet not the language. The language existed centuries even millenia before the alphabet was created. The alphabet is just a system of signs to note down the words in a language. A language can exist without an alphabet.
I bet even a dumbass like you can tell the difference between a language and an alphabet.
11th part salvation of all real christians I send you love to you all my brothers and sisters in blood and Christ.I urge our church fathers to finally take their crosses and try to feel the heaviness of them.Having a long fasting(post)let them gather asking each other for forgiveness,open the Evangelie and set the way for our Lords Coming.Real monastic people will never consider topics about belongings and making borders, but only spiritual ones.Fathers,your crosses are heaviest before Christ.
go72ko 1 year ago
10yh part in the 3rd century that oficially became christian city in the world, through the holy work of St. Erasmo Ohridski. The holy union of our only orthodox church need to be established there. I appreciate the surrounding churches and nationalities claiming that teh church of Macedonia is theirs, but only in the meaning of the orthodox unity, not some satanic nationalistic claims about belonging. Eatrhly thoughts of belongings are destruction for the faith and road to hell. With hope for
go72ko 1 year ago
9th part For the end I will just add my grandmother's view of Ohrid. From her side I have a branch of priests ancestors... When I was a child I remember when she was telling me that in Ohrid will be placed the second Erusalem of the coming of our lord Isus Hristos. She never told me why she claim that, but I leave you my brothers to think and research about that "idea". I believe that acircle need to be finished... Christianity in Europe started from Macedonia and Ohrid was the first city that
go72ko 1 year ago
8th part Look how we orthodox are divided and poor. No national church nor the church of Konstantinopol will reunite us as one non political Chist church to prepare us for the end times. Only the church of Macedonia or the Ohrid Patriarchy has that moral, not right but value. And that recovering can be only done by the honest innitiation and active participation by the hole Slavic orthodox world. If you claim to be real folowers of Christ and not modern nationalists you will understand my words
go72ko 1 year ago
Also, the roots of the Russian church are in the face of the St. Kliments church too, read about the first Slavic university and Knez Vladimir of Kiev Rus and their ties. Most honestly I see that the church of Ohrid need to be returned to its original level, as it has never legal grounds to be destroyed. It is the mother church of all Slavs, the foundation of the Slavic orthodoxy. Only recovered by the faithfull we will get the moral power to claim fairness and remain Christ followers.
go72ko 1 year ago
6th part was brought to Ohrid. Find teh old Macedonian songs about that lawless behaviour back then and the ruining of the hopes of the Slavs to unite in the fight against the Turkish empire. So, please make distinction between the national church of any country and the real meaning of a church as institution. Don't forget taht Ohrid church is the St. Kliment church, who's student later spread and established the churches in the territories of the south Slavs from bellow Solun upto even Chehia.
go72ko 1 year ago
5th part the Turkish government back then. It is known that in 1767, the sultan decided to destroy the by dicreet the church of Ohrid(even as a muslimhe didn't have any authority to do that), finding the solution with replacing with the moral rule of the Constantinopol church. That was a guarantee for the turks that the Balkan slavs will become morally more attached to the empire. The church rank was lowered and the greek bishop(before Greks never had their leg put in our territories) was
go72ko 1 year ago
4th part the Ohrid Patriarchy and wanted politicaly to destroy the Slavic Christian mother by distroying our mother church, that was unifying the slavs also against the rule of the muslims. The church of Macedonia or the Ohrid Ptriarchy never tried to lead peoples to any national councesness but to unity in our lord Isus Hristos. And that the real true church is intended to do. It is true that church of Constantinopol strugling to remain in the center of Turkish empire made many compromices with
go72ko 1 year ago
3rd part in the times of islamic occupancy. Remember taht Ohrid patriarchy didn't have government back up in that time. In the books you will find that orthodox slavic from the Balkan when asked where they come from, they would say from Macedonia. This reflects the traditional moral and spiritual ties of the people, not a kingdom of Macedonia or Macedonian nationality for all the south slavs. All of this means it was a real gods church on our teritorries. Turky was aware of the moral power of
go72ko 1 year ago
2nd part over other teritorries. The great shizm of the churches is when they claim authority over teritorries where another orthodox kingdom is established. Remember where is a king(government) tere should be a church to advice him or guide him for correct ruling in the Christ name.The case with the macedonian or Ohrid Patriarchy before 1767 was clear and in the meaning of the canons. It was the only church on the Balkans that had moral authority to advice and guide the orthodox people in the
go72ko 1 year ago
Dear brothers, I agree for the true believers there is only oine church and thats it...It's totally unimportant how many local churches are there... In the orthodox law every country has right on it's own church... and I conect this with the honest purpose of that law, which is the church as a moral advisory for the rulers. Its is because od the sinful governments wanting dominancy over bigger teritorry, misrepresent the emaning of the law and encourage churches to claim ruling rights over other
go72ko 1 year ago
Long live only Ohrid archbishop Jovan!!!Down with heresy of MPC and it's communist gouvernment!!!
SerbianWolhv 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv who is that person? is that some SEKTA??? :)))
tripleMboy 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv @SerbianWolhv THE OHRID ARCHDIOCESE OR NOW, THE MACEDONIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH IS OLDER THEN PECH PATRIARCHY OR NOW, THE SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH, I.E. IT'S A MOTHER-CHURCH OF THE PECH CHURCH. Nothing in the history of Christianity in the Slavic peoples and literacy did not come from the north to the south, but it was opposit. The South has gave to the northern peoples literacy, religion and culture.
tripleMboy 1 year ago 3
@tripleMboy Yes,it's older,but that doesn't give you right to refuse orders from all mother churches and to cripple the body of Christ!!!ANATHEMA!!!!
SerbianWolhv 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv The Archiepiscopacy of Ohrid until 16 January 1767 never been under jurisdiction of Constantnople, but was always on the same level in Eastern Christianity. On that date, by Sultan decree, The Archiepiscopacy of Ohrid was abolished and was given under the jurisdiction of Constantinople, because of financial problems, which is not the truth. The truth is not too far then today's political games against Mcedonia and the church.
tripleMboy 1 year ago
The archibishop Jovan IX in 681 AD have attended the Synod of Trula in Constatinople. After him St Clement Of Ohrid was Archibishop of Archiepiscopacy of Ohrid. According to all churche's document from that time The Devolians (Ohrid) Episcopes were the Religious leader in Macedonia, not the Patriarch of Constantinople, this mean that Ohrid church had have an Autonomy. The Ohrid Chrch in that time was the only one major church from Macedonia up to today's Czeh Republic.
tripleMboy 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv Did you say that this is schism and heresy? You saying that, those churches which are the same churches from that time, used as a temples of God, same as in that time, nothing changed, which are temples of the Macedonian Orthodox Church today, you saying that is not a holy church but is schism? come-on man!! Be careful what you talking about!
tripleMboy 1 year ago
@tripleMboy We have nothing against Macedonia or it's fellow people,but we do have against political manipulation of the church.
SerbianWolhv 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv The only things that comes from the north to the south are propaganda, communisam and nationalism. Is this, Jovan's Sect was formed during the reign of Milisevic? :)) The Serbian dictator Milosevic was creator of The Serbian Citizen Jovan as a sectarian leaders and his Sect, as a failed project called The Greater Serbia? :)))
tripleMboy 1 year ago
@tripleMboy The council of Nish vas in 2003,genius,when shismatic leaders of yours signed that you are returning to your mother church,but,because of pressure of your commie gouvernment,your bishops became sect again,with anathema from every church,only arcb.Jovan refused,and he is neo martyr now and political refugee.None of orthodoxy regonises MPC,created by KPJ,so you are sect,and your,,church,,should be,therefore,returned back to Constantinople Patriarchate
SerbianWolhv 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv Thanks God, now after the fall of Milosevic, Serbia is finally that what it deserves, A Democratic European country, except of some fools like you that continue to dream about your disastrous politic from the last century.
tripleMboy 1 year ago
@tripleMboy At least you don't have the Barbie president
SerbianWolhv 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv That's tghe truth! but we're talking about the consequences, not about the beauty of these people. :))) I do not generalize the things, because after all they are just individuals and not the entire people.
tripleMboy 1 year ago
@tripleMboy Macedonian people is one of my favs.and i personnaly respect it,but national policy should not mix with church.We don't want Macedonia to be Serbian again,cuz Macedonia have its own identity as state and as people,but your church must return to it's mother,so that we become one people,in Christ of course,once more.My faith is higher than my nationality,and so should you think
SerbianWolhv 1 year ago
@SerbianWolhv - jebi se ti zajedno sa tim raspopom Jovanom !!! kad smo mi bili hrishcani u Makedoniji i imali svoju Crkvu , vi ste Srbi josh bili pagani ! nasha je Crkva starija 3 vekova od vashe , a sad vi da nam budete " majka " Crkva !!!??? idi pasi ovce po Shumadiji , shugo jedna !
BERZITI 7 months ago
@BERZITI Pa i katolici su bili Crkva pa dje su?Samo sanjajte sektasi da ste Crkva,jer koga stvori Tito,nema veze sa Bogom.Uzivajte raskolnici,pozdravio vas je papa
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - i shta sad , pa zar nisu katolici Crkva , ne postoje !!!??? gde bre zivish ti , u pecini !!!??? jebo te i papa i Tito , nasha je Crkva starija 304 godina od vashe ! chitj malo prosveti se shugo nacionalistichka , imash kompjuter potrazi , nemoj da gledash samo pornice i da lupetash gluposti po Internetu srbendo bandoglava ! trazi kad je osnovana Ohridska Patrijarshija , i kad je osnovana Pecka , pa mi se onda javi ! jes,l razumeo ??/
BERZITI 7 months ago
@BERZITI Pa nije ti Crkva drzava,pa da mozete da se sprdate sa njima,JER SAMO JE JEDNA CRKVA ISTINSKA,a vi ste izvan nje,raskolnici i smrad hriscanstva.Ja nisam nacionalista,ali smatram da je deljenje Crkve zbog prljavih politickih ciljeva VMRO komunjara najgori bunt protiv Boga.Pa sta i da ste stariji?Dzabe kad vas niko ne priznaje za Crkvu,sektasi.I Satana se pogordio jer je bio bolji od drugih andjela,pa je odbacen od Boga.Ko sebe uzdize,nisko pada,a lazna crkva je sekta,pa bila i Carigradska
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - najveci SMRAD Hriscanstva ste VI, vasha SPC , i vasha braca Grci , jebali te oni i ti njih ! vi niste Crkve , vec politichko - intrigantske Organizacije , pune pedofila i razvratnika ! mi smo Apostolska Crkva , najstarija ! Pravoslavne Crkve nisu kao Rimokatolici dirigirani iz jednog centra , to su NACIONALNE Crkve ! mi imamo svoju nezavisnu drzavu , ne mozete vi da nam popujete u njoj , vi ste za nas stranci ! i bash nas briga shto nas niko ne priznaje !!! ko vas JEBE !
BERZITI 7 months ago
@BERZITI To svi sektasi kazu.Vi niste crkva,nego politicki aparat koji sluzi za kontrolisanje i spijunazu Makedonaca od VMRO.Rezim VMRO je klasicno komunjarski,sa primesama fasizma,a takva je i crkva,na celu sa raskolnikom Stefanom,koji poziva na linc Srba i jedinog priznatog ohridskog arhiepiskopa Jovana Vraniskovskog,ispovednika i mucenika,koji strada od bezboznog VMRO,samo zato sto hoce da MPC bude u jedinstvu sa svim pravoslavnim crkvama,a VMRO je lakse da kontrolise MPC kad je u raskolu
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - glup si ko kurac bedo jedna ! kakav bre VMRO , kakav Crvenkovski , kakvi bakrachi ! nema shta da mi pregovaramo sa vama ! vi niste Crkva , to je skup nacionalista , pedofila i lopova , shurujete sa Grcima protiv slovenske i pravoslavne brace , al Bog sve vidi i sve vraca , i to sa kamatom ! a to djubre i raspop Vranishkovski , ako ima muda neka dodje , odma ide u chuzu , lopuza i izrod , lize dupe i vama i Grcima ! MPC - Ohridska Arhiepiskopija - REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA !
BERZITI 7 months ago
@BERZITI E moje govedo nacionalisticko proci ce godina dok ne budete utuvili glavu da Crkva nije drzava i da je Crkva ziva zajednica,a ne prcija nekakvih ludih raspopa kao sto su vasi.Celo vas pravoslavlje smatra za sektu,i nista niste bolji od sekte
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@BERZITI A sto se tice Vraniskovskog,od nije raspop,jer ga istinska Crkva nije rascinila,vec samo satanska parasinagoga zvana MPC,i on je mucenik pravoslavlja protiv rezima VMRO i komunjara.Gori ste od muslimana
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - razcinila ga je Crkva kojoj je pripadao , zato je RASPOP !!! a prebegao je kod vas zbog PARA , i da ne bi ishao u zatvor zbog pronevere 250 000 evra dok je bio vladika Veleshko - Povardarske eparhije MPC ! a tebi ako je mio i muchenik , vodi ga kuci ! a muslimana ima taman onoliko dobrih i loshih kolko shto ima i nas hriscana ! Makedonija je nezavisna drava i ima svoju Crkvu , , eparhije u Evropi , USA , Kanadi , Australiji , i bash nasbriga za vas , grke , i ostale shoviniste
BERZITI 7 months ago
@BERZITI Vi niste crkva,sine,vi ste kurac od ovce...Ajde idi drkaj sada na Tita koji ti je dao crkvu
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - DRKACE MI GA TVOJA SESTRA OPANCARU JEDAN ! vi ste Crkva ??? pedofili ,nacionalisti i lopovi ??? jeste , vi ste DJAVOLJA CRKVA ! 304 godina je nasha Crkva starija od vase !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Sta si se upalio sektasu jedan?Ajde idi pred Titovu ikonu pa placi.Onvam je i dao crkvu,pardon,sektu,koja je pravoslavna koliko i deda Mraz
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - nama je hriscanstvo dao Sveti Apostol Pavle , nasha je Crkva Apostolska srbendo jedna jadna i luda ! 304 godina je nasha Crkva starija od vashe , 3 vekova i kusur ! idi sad ti kod Pahomija u Vranje na jebanje !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Koji apostol Pavle,kad ste nastali 1960-tih,jer MPC nikad nije ni postojala,kao ni makedonski narod,koji je,kao od Grka Aleksandra Velikog.Ko vas priznaje za crkvu?Niko,jer ste obicna sekta i gomila raskolnika,koji ste sve samo ne crkva.Anatema od celokupnog pravoslavlja nije mala stvar,vec zig da ste prokleti i odbaceni kao komunjare i bezbozni izrodi
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - umesto da se glupirash po Interntu , bolje bi ti bilo da procitash neku knjigu , ili da trazish po Enciklopedijama pa da vidish da je preteca danashnje MPC - OA , Ohridska Patrijarshija , 304 godina starija od Pecke Patrijarshije , srbendo blentava ! i bash nas zabole kurac oli cete vi i Grci nas priznati ! imamo drzavu, imamo Crkvu , ko vas j..... !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Pa vas ne da ne priznajemo mi i Grci,nego ni nijedna Crkva na svetu.Zato cuti tu i pevaj:"Tito,partija,Crvenkovski,mafija
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - nama ne treba nikakvo priznanje od mafijashko - lopovsko - pedpfilskih kvazi - crkava poput vashe i grcke ! zato cuti , idi sedni Pahomiju u skut da ti ga izdrka i uzivaj !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI ALOOOOOO ne priznaje vas ni jedna jedina Crkva na svetu,komunjare.Jbt koliko si glup da je to komicno.
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - ALOOOOOOOOOOOO, zabole nas kurac za priznanje od vas ,Grka iz Atine i Istanbula ! a i Rusi to ne rade jer imaju Ukrajinu !to nisu Crkve , to su POLITIKANTI !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Ne,vi ste politikanti,jer inace ne biste jeli govna koje su vasi dragi Tito i VMRO izasrali.Mogu i ja da se proglasim predsednikom Amerike,kao vi sto vas je UDBA,bez odobrenja Crkve,proglasila,ali kurac malo.Da pojasnim.Po kanonima,samo vladike mogu izglasati stvaranje autokefalne Crkve,a nikad drzava,kamoli komunjarska.Niti je MPC crkva,niti je vas Stefan arhiepiskop.
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - ti mozesh da budesh proglashen samo titulom NAJVECA BUDALA Srbije i nishta vishe , ha,ha,ha ! kakva crna UDBA , kakaav VMRO, kakav Tito ! MPC - OA je starija pravoslavna Crkva od vashe SPC !!! STARIJA ZA 304 GODINA , heeeej , 3 i kusur vekova ! u Jugi je samo OBNOVLJENE , oslobodjena od vas LOPOVA i POLITIKANATA , DJAVOLA u mantijama !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Ja tek sad vidim koliko si ti prso.Ako ste pravi,zasto zatvarate Vraniskovskog?Bog nece dozvoliti da vrata paklena nadvladaju Crkvu,zar ne?Pa ako je tako,sto se sluzite inkvizicijom?Uzmi neki izvor sem makedonskog da vidis STA se zapravo desilo u vasoj Crkvi,a ne one lazi koje se vama serviraju,od proterivanja pravih vladika u MK,do nasilnog monasenja svestenika i infiltracije bezboznog svestenickog udruzenja u vas klir,kao i krsenja Niskog sporazuma od komunjara iz VMRO,koji vas lazu
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - za IZRODA i RASPOPA Zorana Vranishkovskog si jedino nadlezni Makedonski sudovi ! on je utajio ( UKRAO) 250 000 euro dok je bio Vladika u Veleshko -- Povardarskoj Eparhiji ! a sve ostalo sto pricash nema veze sa zivotom i istinom ! nikad vise nece srpski,grcki i bugarski popvi ( djavoli u mantijama ) , da tumaraju po MAKEDONSKOJ zemlji i truju dushe MAKEDONACA ! to da vam bude svima jasno !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Sto jedes govna kada je medjunarodni sud pravde dokazao da ste ga zatvorili SAMO jer se protivio terorizmu Makedonske vlade?Lol,informisi se malo
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - koji crni Medjunarodni sud , koji terorizam bre srbendo glupava !!!??? razmishljaj malo svokom glavom tikvane jedan ! on je bio vladika , chlan Sinoda , jel to terorizam !!!??? on ke obicna LOPUZA koja je ukrala 250 000 euro , a da ne bi zaglavio u zatvoru , sad je kod vas , a vi ga koristite kako Trojanskog konja ( magarca ) u MK ! gluplji si nego sto sam mislio da jesi !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - koji crni Medjunarodni sud , koji terorizam bre srbendo glupava !!!??? razmishljaj malo svokom glavom tikvane jedan ! on je bio vladika , chlan Sinoda , jel to terorizam !!!??? on ke obicna LOPUZA koja je ukrala 250 000 euro , a da ne bi zaglavio u zatvoru , sad je kod vas , a vi ga koristite kako Trojanskog konja ( magarca ) u MK ! gluplji si nego sto sam mislio da jesi !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Auuuu jbt,ceo svet je glup,samo ste vi Makedonci pametni...O_o...Koliko vas pune propagandom to je strasno kako su vam mozak isprali.Evropski sud za ljudska prava u Strazburu je dokazao da je vladika Jovan nevin i oklevetan kao politicki nepodobna osoba rezimu VMRO-DPMNE,jer je potpisao Niski sporazum o ujedinjenju Crkve.Toliko ste prsli da verujete da je Aleksandar Veliki Sloven kao vi,a ne Grk kao sto je bio,vi smesni falsifikatori istorije
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - ti izgleda umesto glave i mozga imash dupe od majmuna na glavi !!! kad je bio sporazum u Nishu , Zoran Vranishkovski odavno nije bio u redovima MPC ! NIJE ON TAMO NISHTA POTPISAO U IME MPC !
nema sta da on bude ili ne bude POLITICKI podobna osoba , on je bio crkovno lice , i ne sme da tura nos u politiku i partijska zbivanja , al vi i ne znate drugacije, vasi popovi su najveci POLITIKANTI ! A oko Aleksandra , ima tu pa gledaj , srpska videa Jovana Deretica , ceo svet su Srbi !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Kako nije bio u MPC kad je te 2002 bio vladika Veleski i Podvardarski?I ne samo on,vec su sve vase vladike potpisale,pa ih je drzava nezakonito naterala,pod pretnjama,da prekrse sporazum,cineci time Crkvu u MK taocem drzave,a vas klir,u sta sam se sam uverio,tajno zeli crkveno jedinstvo.Zasto se drzava umesala u interni spor Crkve?Zbog lakse kontrole Makedonaca.Sto se Deretica tice,taj je odavno poludeo,i ne jebe ga ni 2% ljudi u Srbiji.
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - Jovan je tada bio u zatvoru IDRIZOVO ! samo Bitolski vladika Petar je potpisao , niko drugi ! MAKEDONSKI narod nikkad im to nece dozvoliti ! nema shta vi da trazite kod nas , imate svoju drzavu i svoju Crkvu , i gledajte svoja posla ! ne meshajte se u tudja !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI no comment na glupost.Cime su vam mozak ispirali?Oces da kazes da su ostale vladike potpisnici bili hologrami,ili nindze iz SPC
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - nama bar imaju sta da ispiraju ,, a tebi nemaju ! kakve nindze , kakvi bakraci , nista ti ne znash !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI I gde je sad istina?Da li u izvorima svetske javnosti(ne srpske ili grcke),ili u izvorima jedne totalitarne diktatorske drzave kao sto je Makedonija,u kojoj opozicija,prema statistikama,gotovo da nema svoja glasila,pravo govora i izjasnjavanja,kao i mnoga druga prava,kako kaze Amnesty International,i gde se svaka vest cenzurise i prepravlja,kao recimo,to da je samo jedan vas vladika bio u Nisu 2003 godine
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - koja bre svetska javnost , shta lupetash chovece !!!??? ti bre Srbin , pripadnik naroda koji je izvrshio prvi GENOCID posle Drugog svetskog rata , ti ces da nas ucis demokratiji, ludska prava , prava manjina , opozicije i.t.d . !!!??? zavuci se bre u neku rupu i chuti ! pametniji si kad nishta ne govorish !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Ajde,ajde...kompleksi jebu kevu,jel znas,a istina boli.Sazaljevam vas
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - kakvi kompleksi bre blento jedna ??? istina boli ??? DA, ona je bolna , al shta da vam radim kad imate grehova koje nikada ne mozete da operete ! ceo zivot da provedete na kolena , moleci za oprost , malo vam je !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI Hahahaha,ti mi nesto pricas o gresima,sektasu?Ajde uradi sad malo vudu magije...
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - DA ,ja ti pricam ! a pricali bi ti i Hrvati i Bosanci kad bih ih pitao ! grehe ne moze da vam opere ni Dunav ni Sava ni Morava zajedno !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI To opet ne menja cinjenicu da ste sekta
SerbianWolhv 5 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - neka bude ako treba i djavolja sekta , al ce biti SVOJA na SVOME , nece nama niko da gazduje i popuje !
BERZITI 5 months ago
@BERZITI A tu smo znaci...nek i protiv Boga,samo da ste svoj na svome...bando bezboznicka
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv Pazi kogo navreduvas kopile cigansko!!! ....
tripleMboy 4 months ago
@tripleMboy Bolje kopile cigansko nego pseto sektasko
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - PA ZAR VI VERUJETE U BOGA !!!??? JEL STE VEROVALI I KAD STE KLALI PO SREBRENICI ??? JEL VAS bOG ucio da koljete bljizneg svoga ??? marsh bre u 3 pizde materine , ti ces da tu nekom solis pamet , djubre jedno !
BERZITI 4 months ago
@BERZITI Klale su komunjare somino,koje su se,ko i vi,krstile tek 1991,tako da me ti sektasu nemoj uciti o veri koju nemate
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - dok su bile komunjare , nije bilo klanja na Balkanu , klale su chetnichine vashljive ko shto si ti ! mi imamo pravoslavlje prvi od juznih slovena , i Crkvu stariju 304 godina od vashe !
BERZITI 4 months ago
@BERZITI Eeee moj ti,komunjare su posle rata pobile 25000 ljudi u Yugi,vise nego cetnicki zlocini zajedno.I sta ako ste stariji?Koga boli kurac sto ste stariji ako ste ste otpali od Crkve i postali sekta
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - pa ako smo stariji ( a jesmo ) , kako moze da nam bude vasa SPC " Majka - Crkva " , blento jedna tupava !!!???
BERZITI 4 months ago
@BERZITI Zato sto ste vi na to pristali 1912-te retardu jedan
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - mi smo pristali na to 1912 !!!??? i jos ti mene na zivash RETARD ??? onda si ti RETARDCHINA ! pa govno jedno , 1912 - 1913 je Makedonija okupirana i podeljena od vas Srba,Bugara i Grka gjubretino jedna , a mi to kao pristali sami ??? jebem ti gjubre lazljivo ti jebem !
BERZITI 4 months ago
@BERZITI Oprem dobro sektasu,istina boli,ali leci tudje komplekse
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv - ajde bre u 3 pizde materine se teraj !
BERZITI 4 months ago
@BERZITI Ne mogu,ima mnogo vlage tamo
SerbianWolhv 4 months ago
@SerbianWolhv ej samo mi imamo propagande ha
a vi srbi nemate a ?
ne budi smesan
kako moze jovan da bude nevin kad postoji makedonska pravoslavna crkva sa svojim poglavarima a jovan je izbran od vasu stranu so koje pravo vi to radite bre ej jeste li vi ludi ili sta ti ces nekomu reci da je ili nije pravoslavan vi ste ne znam bog da cuva
drumercoka 1 month ago
@drumercoka Sta se drzava ima mesati u stvari Crkve,ko da ona sama ne moze to da resi?Zasto nije drzava dala ujedinjenje Crkve 2002,ako je postignut dogovor?Koja prava ima VMRO da hapsi Vraniskovskog,ako je on odlucio da postuje dogovor,koji je crkven i nema veze sa drzavom?Zasto vase vladike rade kao propagitori VMRO?I,na kraju,zasto vas ne priznaje ni jedna kanonska Crkva na svetu?Razmisli o ovome...
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv hahaha tako vas uce pa dobro moras daje tako ali istina ce se doznati jedan dan
a vi uzivajte jer ste vi sve naj naj naj ...........
drumercoka 1 month ago
@drumercoka Mene niko,Bogu hvala,ne mora da uci niocemu,jer Srbija je slobodna zemlja u kojoj,za razliku od MK(koliko je cenim,govori to sto je nazivam njenim pravim imenom,a ne FYROM),mogu da dodjem do pravih informacija bez problema,a ne serviranih od vlasti raznom propagandom.Ocito je da je kod vas Crkva postala drzavni aparat,a vi gutate sve sto vam kazu.Kao sto ste progutali ono da ste potomci Aleksandra Velikog i slicno,sto ukazuje na ispiranje mozga sto ste nasledili od SFRJ
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv kazes da smo mi sekta e bravo bre srbine svaka ti cast ali kazi jedan makedonac koji ti ucinio nesto zlo ili je bio protiv boga ili se ogordeo nekad ajde kazi
drumercoka 1 month ago
@drumercoka Meni licno nijedan Makedonac nije ucinio nesto,ali to ne znaci da ste u pravu sto radite sa Crkvom.Crkva nije vasa ili moja ili icija prcija da bi se mogao svako sa njom zajebavati,bio on laik ili klirik.Sta,dune komunjarama i VMRO da imaju Crkvu,pa resili da se oni njome bave,iako nikad u Crkvu nisu isli.Sram vas bilo,od Crkve ste napravili ministarstvo,sto dokazuje to sto ste napustili pravoslavlje otisavsi u raskol.Ko je u raskolu,ne moze biti Crkva nikada
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv Niskiot dogovor od 2002 g. e baziran na nelegalen dokument za poseduvanje na crkoven imot na Eparhiite i Parohiite vo vardarskiot okupacionen del na Makedonija izdaden od strana na Carigradskata Patrijasija od 1918 g. za navodna Kupoprodazba sklucena pomedju Srpskata Pravoslavna crkva i Carigradskata Patrijasija za reguliranje na pravata na Crkovniot imot na Ohridskata patrijasija. Carigrad nemal nikakvo pravo da prodava nesto sto ne e vo negova sopstvenot. ----->>>
tripleMboy 1 month ago
---> Da pojasnam: Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija e ukinata so dekret na Sultanot vo 1767 i e stavena pod Duhovna Jurisdikcija na Carigradskata patrijasija. Pred toa Ohriodskata Arhiepiskopija e Samostojna i ne e pod ingerencija na Carigrad. Vo oficijalnoto obrazlozenie za ukinuvanje na Ohriskata Arhiepiskopija kako pricini se naveduvaat deka nema dovolno fin. sredstva, a vistinata e druga, toe nastojuvanjeto na Grckite fanarioti preku Carigrad za dominacija nad celiot toj prostor ---->>
tripleMboy 1 month ago
---->>Spored Turskiot dekret Crkovniot imot na Eparhiite i Parohiite mu pripadja na Sultanot, t.e. Osmanliskoto Carstvo, a Sultanot pod odredeni danoci mu go dodeluva toj imot na koristenje na Carigradskata patrijasija na koja po ukinivanjeto i se dava Duhovnata vlast nad eparhiite na ukinatata Ohridksa Patrijasija! Znaci Duhovna vlast a ne materijalna i imotna sopstvenot. Od ova izleguva deka Carigrad nema sopstvenicko pravo nad crkovniot imot, so toa ne moze ni da go prodava --->
tripleMboy 1 month ago
-->>Vo 1874 god Turskata vlast povtorno se mesa vo crkovnite problemi. So dekret na Sultanot e formirana Bugarskata patrijasija (Egzarhija) koja ne e priznata od niedna Pravoslavna crkva se do 1950 god. Sultanot ovoj pat Duhovnata vlast nad eden mal del OA i ja odzema na Carigrad i i ja dodeluva na Bugarskata Egzarhija preku navoden plebiscit. Vo toa vreme Bugarija e knezevstvo, a Eparhite na OA se nadvor od Bugarija, pa zatoa e formirana Egzarhija koja rakovodi so tie Eparhii --->>
tripleMboy 1 month ago
Vo 1918 g. posle konecnoto proteruvanje na Turcite i podelbata na Makedonija Srpskata Pravoslavna Crkva od carigrad ja dobiva Duhovnata vlast i dokument so koj navodno SPC go kupila crkovniot imot na Eparhiite na OA vo Vardarskiot del na Makedonija. Do den denesen ne e obelodent toj dokument javno. Posle ova Srbskata okupaciona vlast vo Makedonija gi proteruva Bugarskiot i Grckiot (Egzarhiski i Patrijski) kler od Makedonija i postavuva Srpski vladisci i popovi. ---->>
tripleMboy 1 month ago
--->> Vo 1945 god se odrzuva prviot crkveno-naroden sobor vo Makedonija za vozobnovuvanje na OA. Srpskiot synod i dava avtonomija na Makedonskata Pravoslavna crkva. Vo 1959 Vladikata Dositej e izbran za prv poglavar na MPC koj e priznata od SPC. priznavanjeto go potpisal patrijarhot German vo Skopje vo istata godina. Vo 1962 g vo Skopje pristiga Ruskiot patrijarh i zaedno so srpskiot prisustvuvaat na Prvata liturgija na Makedonskiot poglavar na MPC. ---->>
tripleMboy 1 month ago
---->> na tretior Sinod na MPC vo 1967 MPC vo soglasnost so Svetite kanoni proglasuva Avtokefalnost (samostojnost) na MPC. SPC preku neleglen politikanski dekret gi proglasuva makedonskite Vladici i kler za Sizmatici, a crkvata za sizmaticka, a za toa nema pravo soglasno crkovnite kanoni.
Ova se se odnesuva na duhovnata vlast, dodeka imotite na eparhiite se uredeni so ista spogodba so koja se uredeni i site crkovni imoti na celata teritorijata na SFRJ, ---->>
tripleMboy 1 month ago
--->> Spored tie odredbi Makedonija e samostojna republika ramnopravna vo federacijata i ima suverenitet nad celata teritorija na Makedonija, a MPC e edinstvena kanonska pravoslavna crkva vo Makedonija. Po nezavisnosta vo 1991 MPC e vnesena i vo Ustavot na Makedonija kako edinstvena pravoslavna crkva, a soglasno kanonite na pravoslavnite crkvi, vo edna drzava ili teritorija ne moze da ima dve pravoslavni crkvi, so toa crkvata na Vraniskovski i pravno vo Makedonija e Nelegalna Sekta.
tripleMboy 1 month ago
@tripleMboy Taj sabor je nelegalan,buduci da je Makedonski klir morao pod prisilom udbe da potpise dokument.Postoje brojni dokazi da je odvajanje MPC bilo dugo pripremano od komunista,te da,posto Crkva-matica,koja mora dati svoj pristanak da bi se oformila Crkva,nije dala blagoslov,MPC nema apsolutno nikakav legitimitet,ni dogmatski ni kanonski.
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv :) I koj ke ti poveruva vo taa vasa prikazna? Imas nekoi konkretni dokumenti od UDBA ili od CK KPJ koj ke go potvrdi toa? NEMA! Ako ti nagadjas, togas i jas bi rekol deka: Povlekuvanjeto na priznavanjeto na SPC e delo na UDBA. Srpskiot Sinod vo koj postojat dokazi deka vo nego imalo vladici UDBASI pod prisila na UDBA morase da go povlece priznavanjeto na MPC. Kako mozen dokaz e toa sto vo toa vreme so UDBA rakovodat dokazani Srpski nacionalisti kako sto e Rankovic.
tripleMboy 1 month ago
ahah Kako moze KOMUNISTICKATA UDBA RAKOVODENA OD SRPSKI NACIONALIST DA PORMIRA CRKVA?? KOMUNISTITE JA ZABRANUVAA RELIGIJATA NASEKADE OD KOREA DO KUBA i gi rusea crkvite!!! Ili mozebi mislis deka KOMUNISTITE VO JUGOSLAVIJA BEA GOLEMI VERNICI?? Crkvite vo Makedonija se najmnogubrojni i najstari na Balkanot a gi ima od 4-5 vek, pa navaka....
tripleMboy 1 month ago
@tripleMboy Egzarhija kao nekanonska tvorevina,stvorena kao plod politicke igre Rusije i Turske,a ne kao plod Crkve,se ne moze smatrati pravoslavnom Crkvom,jer,ponavljam,Crkva je Crkva samo ako se prizna na vaseljenskom nivou kao takva.Prema tome,OA je zvanicno i dalje u okviru VP sve do 1918,i nema nikakve veze sa Egzarhijom
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv Egzarhijata e formirana pod pokrovitelstvo na Rusija, isto kako sto vo 1912/13 Mitropolija Beogradska e formirana kako samostojna isto taka pod patronat na Rusija so posredstvo na togas vlijatelnite crnogorski vladici od Mitropolija Cetinjska. I taa Srpska crkva ne e priznata se do 1920 god koga e formirana Srpskata patrijasija vo SHS. Rusija igra golema uloga vo seto toa zaradi priblizuvanjeto na Ruskite interesi na Balkanot i sudirot so Carigrad koj i denes trae.
tripleMboy 1 month ago
@tripleMboy Samo Veleskata, a pokasno i Skopskata eparhija vo Vardarska i Kostursko-Lerinskata vo Egejska Mk se priklucile kon Bugarskata Egzarhija koja bila formirana so Turski dekret i nepriznata od Carigradskata P. Vo toa vreme vo Egejska Mk.se formira Unijatska Crkva, koja e sozdadena od nezadovolni vernicite koi ne sakale da ostanat vo Patrijasijata i ne sakale da pristapat kon Bugarskata Egzarhijata, tuku sakale svoja Makedonska crkva. Familijata na Goce Delcev bile Unijati.
tripleMboy 1 month ago
Unijatskata Crkva ima ucilista niz cela MK, a vo Solun imala svoja gimnazija vo koja se skoluvale mnogu istaknati Makedonski revolucioneri od krajot na 19 i pocetokot na 20 vek. Tuka se skoluval, a pokasno bil i ucitel proslaveniot makedonskiot revolucioner Goce Delcev. I taka mnogu momenti od istorijata na Makedonskiot narod se ukradeni od Bugarite ili preinaceni, kako sto e za ovaa gimnazija, za koja Bugarite tvrdat deka bila Egzarska Gimnazija sto e apsolutna nevistina.
tripleMboy 1 month ago
@tripleMboy To ne osporava autoritet Carigrada nad Makedonskom Crkvom,jer 1)Praksa peskesa(kupovina crkvenih cinova i oblasti)je bila nuzna mera za sam opstanak Crkve2)Turci su pod Carigradskim patrijarhom videli etnarha ne samo Grka,vec i svih pravoslavaca3)Tako su i duhovnu vlast imali Grci,jer je Negrckih svestenika bilo jako malo,ako ne uopste4)To pravo potvrdjuje i cinjenica da je OA bila Crkva grckog tipa,sa Grckim vladikama i sluzenjem,sve do cara Dusana
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@tripleMboy Znam celu pricu,isto se to desilo i sa nasom Crkvom,kao deo"Grckog plana",koji je predvidjao helenizaciju pravoslavnih na balkanu,kao i genocid nad slovenskim stanovnistvom
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@tripleMboy Dogovor iz Nisa je bio sasvim legalan,i prihvacen od MPC,sve dok drzavna aparatura nije pocela sa nasiljem.Drugo,kako Carigradska patrijarsija nije mogla prodati Ohridsku Arhiepiskopiju,kad je ova bila pod njenom administrativno-pravnom jurisdikcijom,pod cijom je upravom od fermana iz 1767g.?
SerbianWolhv 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv Gi mesas duhovnite so zemjenite raboti. Mesas Duhovna so Zemska Vlast. I Peckata patrijasija e ukinata vo 1766g. edna godina pred Ohridskata i priklucena kon Carigradskata patrijasija, no za toa vo 1918 god Srpskata crkva ne gi otkupila imotite na Pec. Ako svoeto ne se kupuva so pari, togas za ona sto ne e tvoe mora da se plati, spored nekoja logika, sto potvrduva deka Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija nikogas pred toa ne bila Srpska.
tripleMboy 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv So t.n. "dogovor od Nis" Srbskata Crkva nisto ne dobiva, a dogovorot ne go otfrli vlasta - TUKU MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD I VERNICITE se tie koi ne go prifatija toj dogovor. Nema nikakvo nasilstvo, tuku kriminal tezok milioni dolari koj go napravil Vraniskovski. Malku e cudno kako Srpskata crkva za svoi egzarhi ima kriminalci kako Vraniskovski? Protivenjeto na SPC za priznavanje na MPC e samo Srpsko podrzuvanje na Grckiot sovinizam nisto drugo, toa go priznavaat i mnogu Srbi
tripleMboy 1 month ago
@SerbianWolhv sto tresis gluposti!! Kako moze KOMUNIST DA PORMIRA CRKVA?? KOMUNISTITE JA ZABRANUVAA RELIGIJATA i gi rusea crkvite!!! Ili mozebi mislis deka crkvite vo Makedonija koi se najmnogubrojni na Balkanot a gi ima od 4-5 vek, pa 9-10, 16*17 itn ti se rakolnicki??? Za tebe tie hramovi se raskolnicki, a sveti se vasite izgradeni vo 19 i 20 vek??? KAKVA GLUPOST!! KOMSIJA AKO IMAS NESTO DRUGO PROTIV NAS KAZI OTVORENO, NE MESAJ JA CRKVATA?? POZZ
tripleMboy 7 months ago
@tripleMboy Slusaj,ja nemam nista protiv vas,ali treba da znate istinu.Tokom 60-tih,UDBA je,putem "Svestenickog udruzenja"dala nalog da se MPC nasilno otcepi od matice,da bi se lakse kontrolisao narod,jer su znali poboznost Makedonskog naroda.Stoga su proterali zakonite episkope i nasilno zamonasili neke svestenike,koji su potom,nezakonito,sami sebe proglasili za episkope.To se desilo i u SSSR sa Ukrajinom.MPC je danas samo igracka VMRO,koje je koristi za politiku,i zato ne da mirenje sa SPC
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv opet krivi!!!!! KOJA BESE UDBA??? Navedi eden makedonec koj rakovodel so UDBA!! So UDBA rakovodese Rankovic, Srbin do jaja, tako je?? UDAB bese sostavena od najgolem del Srbi, i toa poranesni pripadnici na Crno-Ruak ili neznam koko se vikala pred toa!!! Nema nisto vistina vo taa prikazna!! Od UDBA vo Makedonija stradaa mnogu popovi i ludje zaradi verata. A sega kazi koj Svestenik e proteran od Makedonija?? Nikoj!! Toa se istite tie koi ostanaa i posle toa!!
tripleMboy 7 months ago
@tripleMboy Sta Tita zabole sto je Rankovic Srbin,kad mu je prece da vlada MK?Ti Srbi u UDBI nista nisu doneli dobro Srbima.Mnogo je episkopa proterano,kao mitropolit Josif,npr.,da bi se osnovao pandan komunistickom"Svestenickom udruzenju"u Srbiji,a to je komunisticka MPC.Najgore je sto je VMRO zabranio pregovore MPC sa SPC,potvrdjujuci svoju klero-fasisticku politiku.Ako ste prava crkva,sto nemate muda da pregovarate sa SPC?Vi ste samo igracka Crvenkovskog i nista vise
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
@SerbianWolhv Ne tresi gluposti Budalo edna!! I da znaes nema poveke da ti repliciram na tvoite gluposti, posto uste malku ke mozeme da slunime od tebe deka popovite namesto evangelie go citale komunistickiot manifest i deka namesto krst, se prekrstuvale na srp i cekan.. Na tvoite gluposti mu nema kraj, no sega, bidejki imam dobro mislenje za Srbite voopsto, nesakam so tebe da diskutiram na taa relacija Makedonija - Srbija, a takvi Kopiljaci kako sto si ti sekogas imalo i sekade ke ima!!!
tripleMboy 7 months ago
@tripleMboy Samo ti budi dobar i glasaj za VMRO,koji ti i odrzava tu nakaznu MPC.Da nema VMRO i Crvenkovskog,ne bi bilo ni MPC.Uzivajte u narednih 10 godina bede i diktature VMRO(mi smo preziveli Milosevica,i znam kako je)
SerbianWolhv 7 months ago
Clearing up the misunderstanding about tithing in today's New Testament Church.
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
are you crazy is a church not spa center!!!!i cant believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!who are you people!!!!!!
myking73 1 year ago
Ahh the good old NAZI Church who imported Fascist German King (house of Sachenbourg und gotha) to Bulgaria , who in his turn gave some power to Hitler , but not before Betraying Vasil Levski He was The Bulgarian Zorro and master of Disguises but also a great Democrat he said No Replacing Sultan With King ... Religion is a disease and has to be fought...
Wyldstylist 1 year ago
bi the way is a very nice hymn. nice voise
homocorpus 1 year ago
was prophet daniel a greek propagandist?.
homocorpus 1 year ago
"macedonian" church is a schismatic church , no other orthodox church recognise this church, you are not a realy orthodox church ,and you are not macedonians
homocorpus 1 year ago
o homo you are fuckin crazy you dont have a god fear ha?
ok we are not orthodox not macedonians the truth someday will come out
drumercoka 1 year ago
@drumercoka in the monastery of athos "dohiarion" is a picture of alexander the grate in byzantine stile .painted bye theofanis in 1569 . the text on the icon is like thes "alexander the king of greeks. hmmmmmmm were is the greek propaganda ?in the holy bible the book prophet daniel he write(hebru)"alexander amacdon meleh a yavanim" =( greek)alexander o makedon vasilefs ellinon=(engles)alexander the macedonian king of greece. oh greek propaganda..........?
homocorpus 1 year ago
@homocorpus and what's the problem ? everybody can believe in god how they want.. Don't make with them like the pope make to the protestants
Macedonian churches are the orthodox protestant
Scourmy 1 year ago
@homocorpus Btyw, you serbian cousin recognize the Country with capital Skopje as Macedonian republic
But you must be dumb to confuse province of Macedonia (Greek) and Republic pf Macedonia, like Province in Luxembourg (in Belgium) and Grand Duché of Luxembourg, they did not make histories
Scourmy 1 year ago
asept it ,you are a slavik nation , a total slavik nation , we are ole brothers bat the truth is that you are slavs like serbs and bulgarians, it is not bad . maybe you are slavomacedonians bat you are not pureplood macedonians becouse you are not speaking anciend macedonian dialect(greek) , maybe you are macedonians and you have exslavized by years so you are greeks(macedonians) in deepness, it is not bad, bt it is andihistoryk to say that macedonians was speaking a lenguage like yours....
homocorpus 2 years ago
i can read tha laters on icons they are ole greek laters.....
homocorpus 2 years ago
byzantines was greeks, in ole world orthodoxy is known as greek orthodox christianity. why ? because byzantines wer greeks, even and the roman katholics popes colle byzantines as greks. byzantines sprend orthodoxy to ole slavik world . konstantinupole is the mother church of ole orthodox churches . do you know wat is the nationality of patriarch of konstantinupol? he is greek . and patriarchet of konstantinouploe is the patriarchet of byzantioum . so byzantioum is the greek midle age empair
homocorpus 2 years ago
All greeks out there, and especially the ones who have commented this video..... ever heard of Karma???? what goes around comes around??? well all the poisin you have been spitting out to the world about Macedonians will come back and bite you all in the ass, and its starting to happen, because no one else around the world wants to hear the pure 100% bullshit that come out of your mouth so do us all a fovour and shut the fuck up
YARKUP 2 years ago
why dont you presend the greek laters on the icons on the video? because the icons are greek icons and you dont asept it?
homocorpus 2 years ago
@homocorpus Another thing, they are not greek icons they are BYZANTINE icons.
gajda1984 2 years ago
nice greek hymns transleted to slavonik lenguage by kyril and methodios the greeks brothers from thessalonika. they are the apostolos of byzantioum to ole slavs
homocorpus 2 years ago
@homocorpus Dude, Kiril and Metodi were Macedonian brothers.
gajda1984 2 years ago
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homocorpus 1 year ago
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homocorpus 1 year ago
I'd say 3000 years ago Macedonians want their name. Your name should be TrueEthiopian. My grandfather came from the village of Capari in 1936, with "MACEDONIAN" as his ethnicity. Macedonian is taught in every University in the USA and is recognized as the republic of Macedonia by the USA. Shut up with your politics you greek devils!
gajda1984 2 years ago
there is no such thing as a "macedonian" orthodox church. You split from the Serbian church in 1967 and no orthodox Patriarchate recognizes your autocephaly.
nickpafras 2 years ago
MACEDONIA ORTHODOX PROUD
vevcanec16 2 years ago 7
@vevcanec16 AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
norfolkwestern10 9 months ago
What beautiful Music, and what a wonderful witness for Orthodox Christianity. And why all this chatter about "hellenic, slavic, Greek, Macedonian"...etc..? We are all "sojourners" or pilgrims here. Our citizenship is in heaven!!! That's ORTHODOX!!
framarais 2 years ago 2
you can talk about everything but dont mess politic problems with our religion
i am orthodox all greeks are all serbians russians
dont talk about religion
if you are not scare of god i will pray for you
you cant take our church the church taht god love you ignore it
but thats our problem
we dont listen isus hristos words:
care each others all orthodox and keer your fate but you dont respect that
so jesus is right when he ssaid the little will stay on the real way on the real realigion
drumercoka 2 years ago
:)makedonsko peenje..fantastika:)
vizantisko 2 years ago 3
Da zhivee nashata pravoslavna makedonija :P
PeonianMK 2 years ago 3
The Macedonians (Greeks) taught these fake Macedonians religion, alphabet and everything. And in return you guys take our name? How dare you. MAKEDONIA = HELLAS!
MEGANUT29 3 years ago
The Greek propaganda started during Ottoman Empire. First recognize Macedonian as indigenous people endopy. After 1913 Greek propaganda has been change. Greece gain territories by occupying Aegean Macedonia, and the first thing was how to keep that. 1924First Macedonian ABECEDAR was published in Greece and was written in Roman Script, because in that time Greek government make a clear distinction between Macedonians and other Balkan people who using Cyrillic alphabet, Serbian and Bulgarian.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Today Greeks government spreading propaganda for that same people, that they are now Bulgarians etc. This is nothing just one more dirty Greek propaganda to try to keep occupied territories.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
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homocorpus 1 year ago
what propaganda???
we dont change the words from bulgarian to makedonian, from slavmakedon to makedonian from the original books.
Remember Hristo Silyanov book, The liberation struggles of Macedonia????
We are not changing the nation from slavs to makedonians!!!!!
We have history we dont need to construct one.
stone4534 2 years ago
BECAUSE
The term Makednon nation is the concept of gender and
course refers to the Macedonian Greeks Dorians.
stone4534 2 years ago
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fyromians are funny history stealers! :D
IlianVelev 2 years ago
you are a dumb brainwashed ethiopian from greece lol
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago 3
Take your political hatred and shove it, Tataro. Gospod da ti pomozihit!
gajda1984 2 years ago
Razbirash i zboruvash po Makedonski Jazik Grcki gjal? Remember slavic is the branch of the language, MACEDONIAN is the language you devil.
gajda1984 2 years ago
@tripleMboy that you are macedonians like alexander the grate. is your church a schismatic church or not ? heve your church any racognation from any other church? no . if the greek propaganda starts from 1922 then why ole historians from the 1500 call the helinistic period as hellinistic and not macedonistic period?
homocorpus 1 year ago
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homocorpus 1 year ago
Hahahah...
Alphabet? You dont know that Greeks took the alphabet from Jews? Alfa, alef means bull!
Can you translate me this Elenikos antikamedonikos Agonas?
spolajti 3 years ago
Μακεδονικος αγωνας.
stone4534 2 years ago
GJAL!
gajda1984 2 years ago
can you tell us the meaning of name ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ to your language?
something like.....Заштитникмаж or Покровителмаж !!!!
or the meaning of Φίλιππος?? something like ....Сакамкоњ or Љубамкоњ
Well something dont fix well here.....
stone4534 2 years ago
Cant you have at least little respect, if not for us, for God, and leave those comments for the other videos where you can share your opinions with the others, please enjoy the chants.... thank you.
09razorSQUAD 2 years ago
You are probably not a Christian, and not an orthodox. All Christian and orthodox respect each other as religious brothers. No hates between orthodox brothers. By the way merry Christmas and happy new year...
tripleMboy 3 years ago
@tripleMboy Christ is fake , He was the son of Caesar Jesus = Caesarian .
Wyldstylist 1 year ago
fyrom is fake orthdox
KingToads 3 years ago
And one more thing... You are saying that Ciril and Metodi were Greeks....ok you know a lot-but you confirmed your knowlage while saying that they created Cirilics.... And you are telling me history.... If you dont know...they didnt create Cirilic...
spolajti 3 years ago
they create your language, Glagolitiko alphabet.
stone4534 2 years ago
They created the alphabet not the language. The language existed centuries even millenia before the alphabet was created. The alphabet is just a system of signs to note down the words in a language. A language can exist without an alphabet.
I bet even a dumbass like you can tell the difference between a language and an alphabet.
bulvaj1983 2 years ago
Father Nikolopoulos,
"Da grreek he not baptized hees turk, da von he baptized hees greek." Nothing is fake you turkish devil
gajda1984 2 years ago