joe had a style of boxing that was always used during a fight,he usually got caught a few times by an oppenent, is why i call or think rocky be proud of him,you know but,he was very fit and trained yes was outta hos dur astiction, hey dont we know alot of people like that that run the goverment and cant count 2 three without a calculotar,watch cameroon in england feed africa forget his own
hopkins got robbed against calzaghe.. he lost a split decision, that means a judge gave hopkins the fight.. if calzaghe was great he should have fought hopkins a rematch... he also fought bums.. no ones, he was a cheap slapper.. that is why he wasnt picked for the amateurs, cos of his slapping style.
Loved how hop. said NO WHITEBOY ALIVE COULD BEAT HIM. WELL YOU DID GET BEAT, BLACKBOY. Not racist it just is what it is. im a whiteboy, then hes a blackboy. Then it's don't "disrespect" me. It aint about all that its about whats right and fair being right and fair. Equality. You don't like it, go move too N. Korea, wit ur boy kim jong dong sick.
One of the most stupidist comments i've heard was pre fight when Calzaghe said to Hopkins " Do you think you could have beaten Kessler" Funnier still is Calzaghe actually believed what he was saying. LMFAO
@TALIBANBOYOreturns Even though Hopkins called him out for a rematch, and called him out this year and Calzaghe almost agreed. Until he realized that he didn't want to risk losing his undefeated record, or he's just tired of boxing.
Joe Calzaghe beat Bernard's ass! Joe displayed he had superior skills so Bernard clutched and clutched. Had he not clutched Joe would have KOd his ass! Also hey Bernard.......................YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A WHITE BOY! lol :)
calzaghe must be in the top ten fighters ever he retired undefeated he didnt have the best skills but knew when to persevere and his jaw could take some heat
Having fundamental respect is of essence, as to be coherent with an unbiased analyisis, behaviour has to be attributed internally and externally before it can be percieved and then judged. Cut the crap talk and leave it for the classroom horse Lets just say Calzaghe is the only living undisputed champion.... Ha ha ha Divet head
Looking through some of the comments you would think they were written by spoiled 9 year olds. Really, this is what gives fight fans a bad image. You idiots are no better than football hooligans. Im not talking about legitimate debate/critique. Some people are for Calzaghe/some aren't. Im a Calzaghe man but I have a fundamental respect for allmost every fighter who steps in the ring. I wonder would those who make cheap comments have the guts to step in a ring in front of thousands of people?
ooo what happen i thought no white man would beat u niqqa im glad he beat him the way he did after that he should have shown bernard that he also had a black wife and he had kids with her and all of them where boys and he has her cook for him boiled chicken and there is no grape soda alowed in his house an no coolaid in his fridge
@philcoool - Calfaggy was just hype and a manufactured record. He got 2 dropped by 2 old fighters in Hopkins & Jones and barely won a decision against Hopkins. Imagine what Hopkins would've done to Calfaggy in his prime. Hopkins would've retired Calfaggy.
@comedicstuff If you think about it Joe C is no spring chicken either 3 yrs difference.He was also faster when he was younger .I am not his fan but the man seem to beat whoever stands infront of him.He must have some skill or is extremly lucky.
@philcoool - Yeah, Joe C was always a good fighter, but he wasn't willing to come to America to face the best until very late in his career when he wanted to cherrypick his way to "greatness." So we'll never truly know how good he really was, and his legacy is less than it possibly could've been. He beat Roy & Hopkins, but they're still ranked ahead of him legacy-wise by most experts.
@comedicstuff Ha ha little man imagine what Calzaghe would have done to that holding molester hopkins in his prime... Fact BHop has been more successful in the later part of his career so you talking crap little man. Manufactured ha ha DIVET head he beat everyone in the supermiddleweight division for over 15 years all number 1 contenders... Who has hopkins beat? a 4 years past his best and weight de la hoya any names he beat were all smaller fighters winky its shameful
@bigkho - B-Hop was more of a killer in his prime, but he didn't get to face the big names and didn't get the real exposure until after he upset Felix Trinidad. After that, Hopkins was able to get big fights with big-named opponents like Oscar and Hopkins happened to have the longevity to be able to hang around and move up 2 divisions to upset Antonio Tarver and later upset Kelly Pavlik.
@comedicstuff Hopkins didnt upset De la hoya as de la hoya was in decline for 4 years prior and also had to gain weight to fight the natural lightheavyweight hopkins. Hopkins was never a killer he went out to upset opponents with grappling and holding and it worked for him as he was able to neutralise most gifted boxers.
@philcoool - If you had followed Hopkins whole career, you'd know he wasn't hype. He's just not the killer, action fighter that he was in his prime. In fact, I think he should retire very soon if not immediately.
Joe Calzaghe retired because he didn't think Muhammad Ali will fight him to prove his "greatness". He could get a ready job as a COMEDIAN!
When Chad Dawson was mentioned as an opponent having outclassed Antonio Tarver, the man who ENDED Roy Jones's career in 2004, he said all he had beaten was an "old man". TARVER WAS OMLY 40 YEARS OLD, and he said it with a STRAIGHT FACE!
I am surprised FRANK WARREN said the COWARD only DUCKED 12 WORLD TITLE FIGHTS. I thought it would of been MANY MORE!
Say hello to the bad guy,,,,,, All you bitches keep the noise down. Calzaghe 46 and 0 greatest living legend undefeated, ruled the supermiddleweight division for 14 years. Ring Magazine World Light-Heavyweight Champion, as well as former WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, The Ring Magazine and the British super middleweight champion. Now bow down to athe man.
@comedicstuff Stupid comment. When someone beats everyone in their division for over 15 years avoiding nobody in that division its not cherry picking. Can you name one number one contender in the supermiddleweight division he has avoided? Didnt think so.... before he retired he moved up a weight and beat the number 1 ranked light heavyweight and guess what he beat him and if you look at the stats, hit him with more than double the amount hopkins landed now that is a beating on any judges cards
@bigkho - That's like if Holyfield had stayed at cruiserweight and defended his title over 20 times instead of DARING TO BE GREAT and moving up to heavyweight. Calzaghe never really took that risk to dare to be great by coming to America and seeking the big names such as Roy Jones Jr. while they were both in their primes. Why not? Because he could make more money by fighting weak opposition overseas, while holding onto his belts and claiming to be great.
@comedicstuff you see your wrong here Joe tried to arrange a fight will jones jnr between 2000/2001 maybe he wasnt big enough name for jones jnr but prob just aswell for Joe as Jones jnr was on the steroids then.
@bigkho - Joe C. was a very good fighter, but he knew that if he came to America, his party would be over. His "0" would have to go! Retiring undefeated was more important to Joe than finding out if he was truly one of the all-time greats. So now he'll go down as great, but America will forget about him. I guess you can call him an "all-time great at 168 lbs" because it was a weak division, but most rank Roy Jones as the great 168 of all time.
And Roy Jones wasn't even at 168 that long, so that shows you right there - that despite all of Joe's title defenses - Roy is still considered the best 168 pounder of all time! Like I said, Joe will go down as one of the best at 168 (which has historically been a weak division) but not as a top all-time pound-for-pound great. I'm not sure Joe makes the top 100 all-time pound-for-pound list.
@comedicstuff roy jones only had 7 fights at 168 only person of note he beat was james toney so how can he be the greatest of all time at this weight it just dont make sense. Joe cal has defeated over 15 ex champs in the 168 division, then when he was just 37 moved up to face the number 1 lightheavy weight boxer and won. What other fighters could he have fought?
@bigkho well he need to come back to fight Chad Dawson,Arthur Abraham,Lucian Bute (his brother) Lol..,umm Paul Williams..that's4 people that will give him trouble & a run 4 his money bro..those are legitimate champions not paper champions he fought at super middleweight that my grandpa can beat..
@MrThriller4life Ha ha your joking right? He doesnt need to come back at 39 years of age to fight unproven boxers in Lucian Bute who only started his proffessional career in 2003 and has not beat any fighters to note maybe Sakio Bika.. Laughable. Arthur Abraham lost his first half test in Andre Dirrell, And Chad Dawson the biggest phoney beaten nobody came to the forefront because he beat two over 40s in tarver and johnson when he was only 25 the biggest fraud
@bigkho If The fighters i named are fruad then so is Calslappy's record...may i remind u he did beat a shot Roy Jones & Bernard Hopkins..A overated Jeff Lacy, a goof ball Mikkel Kessler etc..who has he beat in there prime that's a hall of famer?? exactly nobody fool...
@MrThriller4life You see your talking crap now Hopkins was and still is the top ranked lightheavy weight who is a proven fighter who has only lost to two fighters since 1993 and your saying hes not in his prime, he may be old but he's had his greatest victories over the past 5 years, Lacy was overhyped by the americans just like the fighters you mentioned, Kessler is a top fighter and if you think otherwise you dont know your boxing
@comedicstuff id have to disagree again roy jones jnr fought in the supermiddleweight division for 2 years 1994-1996 capturing the ibf belt so how can he be considered the greatest supermiddleweight champ of all time? he was only recognised and got negotiations from american fighters after the lacy fight.
1979 l/welterweight champ and also best boxer in the marines 1985 army welterweight champ 1986 l/middleweight champ 41 6 loss over 20 ko incidentaly the last competiton was a title nigel benn held at 48 i try to keep fit a vidio of me on the bags for half hour check out (boxing heavy bag for half hour )on here excuse my speed and style i know there is no defence but this vidio was to proove to myself i could still punch for half hr solid i got the sweat and sore knuckles to proof it
BIGGEST BUM IN BOXING = JOE COWARDZAGHE BERNARD HOPKINS = FIGHTER OF THE YEAR 2001!!! ROY JONES = FIGHTER OF THE YEAR 1994!!! A COLLECTIVE GAP OF 21 YEARS!!!!! JOE CALZAGHE = FIGHTER OF OLD MEN MIKKEL KESSLER = ANDRE WARDS PUNCHBAG KESSLER IS A BUM: DESTROYED BY WARD A 20 FIGHT NOVICE!! loooool!! MIKKEL KESSLER = WORSE THAN JEFF LACY BIGGEST BUM IN BOXING = JOE COWARDZAGHE HOW GOOD WAS KESSLER THEN SLAPPY JOE ????? DESTROYED BY WARD A 20 FIGHT NOVICE!! loooool!!
@westside159 you know what as much as i hate calzaghe i agree, MM is my favirote, but I see a similaritie i just hope MM get's a big fight before he ends it I want to face paquiao
Hopkins, like Tyson and Foreman before him, is very much an intimidation fighter. If he can't bully his opponent and get inside their head, then he's not at his best. You can see from this video that Calzaghe wasn't playing it, and even Bernard wasn't as disrespectful as he usually is.
Aw ... did poor racist Hopkins lose to the white man? nickerless - are you joking; most Americans root for the white guy, since 72% of the USA is white. I root for Russian boxers over American macaque arrogant jerks like Tyson, Hopkins, and even your monkey boy David Haye. Don't think Americans support Hopkins; I was rooting for Calzaghe all the way because I am white pride dscent from Russia and make no excuse from media that kisses Uganda monkey ass.
Your a pure dick! Nigel Benn was my biggest hero in boxing, & I"m white as snow! I wanted Calzaghe to win as he"s a Brit not white, go jump off a cliff racist!
Leonard greatest win was against Hearns although took Him 8yrs to grant rematch, fought an old Hagler & won split decision! you no shit, Calzaghe would beat Jones anytime! sore losers lol. Dan Birmingham said the night Joe beat Lacy it was the greatest display he"d ever seen live, at the time Dan was USA trainer of the yr for his great work with Winky! You don"t know more than Him do you, lol. what a clown....... lollollol
Roy Jones failed 4 drug tests, Jones tested positive for Testosterone Enanthate his serum levels were 100x that of normal levels. Every fight since 1996 Roys serum levels went through the roof, source Anthony Hall head of doping Nevada State. damn You praise a cheat, does Your Dad know about this, shameful!
Dont give me that bullshit. If Roy really took that much steroids he wouldve died by now. He took steroids once after coming down from heavyweight and having to lose 30 lbs of solid muscle. Im just gonna ignore you now because its obvious your just a hater with little or no knowledge of the sport
HAHA that's right ignore dan32113 because he's just OWNED you lol!!!
YOU'RE the hater with no knowledge of the sport. You thought Kessler was English!!
Roy Jones wouldve died by now?!LOL! Arnold Schwarzenegger took a lot more steroids- is he dead?!
Jones was a drugs cheat. Even if he only took them once, those gains in strength are permanent with proper diet and training, therefore he was cheating in every subsequent fight. So take ur tongue out of his ass u sloppy toothless motherfucker.
your web page sucks ass my man tried to reply twice but it ont le,me love the fact that you think lacey is a joke though and that roid is past it yet you posted a vid of their fight just days ago.hillarious
@tacoandbeer Every body has there own opinion,but Joe is well past his prime but look at the perfomance he does,i am 49 check my vidio i am out of shape but i can hold my own with anyone in there 2os
Wasnt even a close fight 8-4 for Calzaghe...but score it 7-5 due to the knockdown. The reason he was crawling around on the floor for five minutes is he knew he needed the extra point to get the draw. Not a champion.
you dont keep titles throwing 20 punches a round and holding.
First of all im no "yank" im from the UK just like you.
I have nothing personal against Calzaghe. I just think he is extremely overrated. I mean look at his record. Kessler, Lacy, Manfredo and a 40 year old RJJ and 44 year old Hopkins who several people thought beat him.
Calzaghe was 36 Roy 39, don"t exaggerate 3yrs difference! Eubank double world champ, Mitchell & Brewer world champs, also Brit"s Robin Reid Olympic bronze & WBC world title, Richie Woodhall who Jones jnr boxed in 1988 Seoul semi & still talks of his power, won Olympic bronze & WBC world crown, You can"t buy Olympic medals 7
Aarghh, Christ. Another idiot trying to argue with me. PLEASE! Jones was 3 years older but different fighters peak at different times. Didnt you see Lewis vs Tyson? Mike was well past it and he was YOUNGER than Lennox
Different fighters peak at different times.
Jeezus, Some people just no NO IDEA what they are talking about.
@dan32113 Roy was past his prime. Calzaghe fought an older, and damaged Roy Jones. Not the great Roy Jones jr from the 90's. That Roy would of given Calzaghe a boxing lesson in my opinion.
But we'll never know that, since Calzaghe fought an over the hill Roy Jones.
@Transformers217 remember when Jeff Lacy was coming up! If Roy Jones had smashed him to pieces & not Calzaghe, everyone would of said how great Roy is but because it was Calzaghe, Lacy was average!
@dan32113 I didn't really know Jeff Lacy that well. And some real boxing fans knew that he was overrated. So I didn't really get the hype, nor did I actually knew who Jeff Lacy was, until Calzaghe beat him.
So no, I don't remember that hype. Maybe it was there, but it went over my head. I was too focused on Bernard Hopkins fighting Tarver, and Mayweather fighting Zab Judah.
@Transformers217 trust me Lacy was hyped by HBO & Ring magazine, Calzaghe was the underdog in the Lacy fight! Its the same as with Ricky Hatton, Kosta Tszyu had looked back to his best against Shamba Mitchell, then Hatton makes him quit all of a sudden Tszyu is over the hill & shit! Zab Judah was destroyed by Tszyu.
@dan32113 Actually, Calzaghe was the favorite when he fought Lacy in his home town. I don't know about over here, because I just didn't care enough to begin with. I was focused on Hopkins, Mayweather, and Pacquiao at that time.
And Tszyu was past his prime when he lost against Hatton. In his prime, he would of floored Hatton. But he was past it, and didn't prepare properly for that fight.
@dan32113 The problem with Calzaghe's career, is that he just didn't dare to be great. If he had beaten Taylor, Pavlik, and Chad Dawson, instead of fighting Jones and retiring, then I'd consider him an all time great. But he didn't, so he's just a great fighter, who manage to retire undefeated. But I don't rank him among the best, and I don't rank Ricardo Lopez among the best either. And I don't rank Rocky Marciano higher then Mohammed Ali.
@Transformers217 come on Carl Froch beat Taylor, are you gonna tell me the way Calzaghe beat Hopkins by 3 & 5 rds on 2 judges cards he couldn"t beat Taylor! Pavlik is made for Calzaghe one dimensional , he would of had his head boxed off! He comes forward in straight line"s, easy night for Joe. Chad Dawson just lost to Pascal, Froch punched the granny out of Pascal. Calzaghe is a much better "boxer" than all the above (including Hopkins) mainly because his work rate is just so superiour!
@dan32113 But never fought any of them, so we don't know. But if he did, then I'd actually consider him a great fighter. But he didn't fight any really great fighters. And the best fighter that he fought is past his prime, and he ducked a rematch with him.
@Transformers217 Calzaghe was past his prime as well. Lets be serious Hopkins "marquee" win is against welterweight Trinidad. That took him until the 12th rd. What would Hagler of done to Felix, smashed him to pieces. Hopkins was a bit of a runner for my taste! Clever but a runner, Toney was better because he could slip/block while in range.
@dan32113 Joe was actually still in his prime. He probably had another good two years left in his career. Let's be serious, Hopkins dominated the Middleweight division for 10 years, and he created the blue print on how to beat Taylor. In fact, I think he won both of those fights, because of his accurate punches, and the fact that he actually hurt Taylor.
And Trinidad still carried his power to the middleweight division, and Hopkins knock out ratio is better then Hagler's, in their primes.
@dan32113 If you compare Hopkins knock out ration from the 90's, to Hagler's knock out ration in his prime, then Hopkins owns. Hagler probably wouldn't of been able to knock out Tito, but he would of out boxed him. Hagler was one of the most intelligent brawlers in boxing history.
But unlike Hopkins, Hagler lost to a fighter who was smaller than him, named Ray Leonard. And he had a long night against Roberto Duran. While Hopkins knocked out both Trinidad and Delahoya.
@dan32113 Hopkins wasn't a runner, he was a boxer. And a brilliant boxer at that. He started boxing more, when he got older. But in his prime, nobody could really beat him. In the mid to late 90's, he was untouchable. He almost looked like Sugar Ray Robinson at times. He could brawl, box, and had an underrated defense. Next to Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather Jr, Hopkins has the best defense of the last 20 years. One of the greatest defensive boxers of all time.
@Transformers217 Hopkins was not a great boxer, if you watch him, when he goes forward to punch he lunges, dropping his head with very poor balance! He defended his middleweight IBF belt against worse fighters than Calzaghe defended against, before getting handed his ass by Calzaghe! If you call holding a fighter boxing, you are strange, because thats what Hopkins did in this fight with Joe! his best 2 wins are against welterweight Trinidad & all time running great Tarver, LOL zzzzzzzzzzzz
@dan32113 Hopkins was one of the greatest, and most intelligent fighters in history. He could throw punches from all angles, he could fight against any style, and with any style. He chin is probably made of steel, he had incredible stamina, great speed, foot-work, and an underrated defense. And he fought better fighters then Calzaghe. Calzaghe's competition in his homeland is nothing, compared to Roy Jones jr and Glen Johnson.
@dan32113 Hopkins started holding more as he got older, and his stamina started to decline. If Joe fought the Hopkins from 10 years ago, you would see an entirely different fight. He of even knocked out Joe.
In the end, Joe got lucky, and cherry picked his way to perfection. Most fighters who are undefeated, haven't really fought anybody. Mayweather has beaten some great competition, but who has he really fought? Really? Even Rocky Marciano's career keeps out of the top 5 sometimes.
@Transformers217 Hopkins struggled because he normally controls the pace, but he couldn"t against Calzaghe, he twice claimed low blows in 10th & 11th rds, he was looking for a way out! Mayweather lost against Castillo 1st fight, no doubt, just look at his face when the decision is anounced! What i hate Cortez is because he let Hopkins hold, Hatton was not allowed to infight against Floyd, a ref should not favour a fighter over another.
@Transformers217 have you watched the fight, because Hopkins holds alot especially in 2nd half of fight. Just listen to Emanuel Steward, he says Hopkins can"t cope with Joe"s style & workrate. That Hopkins has never fought anyone like him before! But what does Steward know, he"s only the Kronk gym guru, & trained over 30 world champs & considered an alltime great trainer, LOL.
@dan32113 Hopkins has fought BETTER fighters then Joe Calzaghe. He just couldn't deal with Joe's work rate, because he's past his prime. He's a 40+ year old man. So he's actually able to do a lot better against slower fighters, who are flat-footed, then against Boxers with quicker hands, and a higher work rate.
In his prime, he might of knocked out Joe Calzaghe.
@Transformers217 you probably don"t know but Joe was the 1st boxer since world war 2, to win national titles at 3 different weight in consecutive yrs, welter, light middle, & middleweight! he hasn"t lost since 1990 right through to the Jones jnr fight that isn"t luck! best part of 20yrs without a loss.
@dan32113 You probably don't know, but Bernard Hopkins is the first fighter to go from middleweight, to light heavyweight, and win the light heavyweight title. Sugar Ray Robinson tried to do, but he didn't succeed, because of a big heat wave that drained him.
But Bernard Hopkins made that accomplishment. He's the first, and only fighter to go from middleweight, to light heavyweight, and beat the champion. No tune up fights, he just went straight to the champion.
@dan32113 And not losing since 1990 is a combination of luck, and simply not fighting the best.
He had a chance to fight either Jones or Hopkins in their primes, but he didn't take that chance. Maybe it was because of Frank Warren protecting him, but Calzaghe did not dare to be great. He just got to them, when they were past their prime. That's basically how history will look at his career. He's a great fighter, who didn't test himself against the best.
Lol, no offence but you clearly dont now much about Calzaghe if you think that.
He was never given a chance to fight Roy or B-Hop earleir on and Calzaghe is also old and way past his prime as well. And it ain't luck, he's beena britsh champion since he was just 12 years old, ad ahs foguth great fighters.
I'll ask you this, who the fuck has Hopkins beaten then?
@403766 I know a lot about Joe Calzaghe. He had a chance to fight Jones and Hopkins 10 years ago, and probably back in the late 90's. But he didn't fight them. Now did he duck them? Or was Frank Warren to protective? I think it was Frank Warren's fault. But either way, Calzaghe lost whatever credibility that he could of gotten, if he fought a prime Hopkins or Jones.
@403766 Hopkins has beaten every contender in the middleweight division, and was a champion for 10 years. He knocked out Trinidad, and Delahoya. He dominated Tarver, Winky Wright, and Kelly Pavlik.
That's far better competition then what Joe has ever fought. When I compare their resumes, Hopkins comes out on top in my opinion.
@403766 Then you don't know anything about boxing. B-Hop fought good and great competition and continues to do so. Calzaghe didn't fight anybody great. And when he did, he didn't even try to give them a rematch.
And Roy Jones jr didn't fight a competitive opponent until the late 90's, and well past his prime.
@403766 According to their resumes, Hopkins has the best one. Who did Roy beat during the 90's? The only great fighter that he manage to beat was Bernard Hopkins, and Roy didn't even attempt to give him a rematch.
@Transformers217 Hopkins refused to fight Joe years back, when the fight was lined up for 3 million and in the US, but chickened out. Just as he tried to chicken out by holding and cheating when they did fight. He lacked spirit and character.
@Transformers217 Joe had the good sense to quit before being too far past it. What else could he prove? He'd beaten all the top guys, he couldn't go back and change the past. Hopkins is extremely unusual at his age but too many boxers go on too long, and it's also a mistake usually to come back from retirement. So Hopkins has to call out someone in retirement when he avoided him in his prime?
@mizofan Joe just didn't want to lose. So I don't consider him to be an all time great. I definitely won't be comparing him to guys like Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sugar Ray Leonard.
@BIGDOGJCP Jimmy Wilde is the greatest welsh & british fighter! voted the 3rd hardest puncher of alltime by Ring magazine. The ghost with the hammer in his hand, or mighty atom is the number 1 from these islands. FACT
@Transformers217 Why would Hopkins have done better in a rematch? Once Joe had him worked out, it was all one way traffic. And Hopkins wouldn't get away with his cheating "low blow" 5 minute rest again, so would have struggled even more in the later part of the fight. Even when knocked down in fights, Joe was always able to come back well, and Hopkins could never compete with his spirit or energy, that incredible work-rate and fitness.
@mizofan I think Hopkins would of trained better, worked harder, and continued to expose Joe's flaws.
Either way, Hopkins and Jones would of beaten Calzaghe easily in their primes. Calzaghe might of been a great fighter, but he never tested himself against the best. And when he actually fought somebody who could challenge him, he didn't even attempt to give them a rematch. And Floyd Mayweather is headed down the same path.
@Transformers217 Also why would Joe want to fight a dirty disrepectful cheat again? Hopkins had his chance and blew it and certainly didn't deserve to share the ring again with Calzaghe. Instead he will have to live with the knowledge he lost to the better man with a bigger heart who didn't stoop to his shameful level. And that knowledge will always bug him.
@mizofan Joe should fight the best, if he wanted to prove to be the best. He didn't prove to be the best. He faught older fighters who were past their primes, and didn't give a rematch to the fighters who came very close to beating him.
Hopkins is one of the greatest, and most intelligent fighters who have ever lived. In 10 years, people will still be talking about his achievements. Not Calzaghe's.
@Transformers217 As i said, Hopkins avoided him, the only one left in Joe's class was Roy Jones and he was more interested in other fish to fry anyway. Joe was right to respect him, but not Hopkins- that faked 5 minute rest showed his character, or lack of it. Hopkins has lasted extremely well for his age, and in doing so, enhances Joe's reputation.
@dan32113 Years have nothing to do with it. Jones was WAY past his prime. He fought a lot longer than Calzaghe, so he had many more years of punishment.
Calzaghe still had a couple good years left in his career.
@Transformers217 no, Calzaghe had been world champ for 11yrs, he was also past his best! Joe destroyed him, showing even at Roys best it would be very close!
@Transformers217 rubbish, listen to the experts! Joe Calzaghe is an alltime great, quote Sugar Ray leonard. The night Joe beat Jeff Lacy was the best live performance i have ever seen! quote from Dan Birmingham who at the time was also Winky Wrights trainer as well as Lacys, he was riding the crest of a wave being US Trainer of the year. He said there was nothing he could do to nulify Calzaghe"s brilliance. But what does a legend like Leonard, & trainer of the year know compared to you. LOL....
@dan32113 Joe Calzaghe is an all time great. But he never dared to be great, nor did he tried to fight other good fighters who were capable of beating him. Instead, he decided to fight older fighters. And he didn't even have the courage to give Hopkins a rematch.
Calzaghe is an all time great, but he's overrated, and he never dared to be great.
@Transformers217 "better competition"!!!! The only household name he beat in his prime was James Toney! Who else is in this "better competition" category?! The fact that Calzaghe held his belt for over a decade meant he had mandatory fights every other fight against the WBO's top ranked contenders.....it's difficult to see how that's not fighting the best competition there is. Calzaghe called out Jones numerous times....Jones cowardly chose Clinton Woods instead....
@MegaBudHead2 But Calzaghe didn't fight anybody great, and when he did, he didn't give them a rematch. Calzaghe didn't dare to be great, he just played it safe. Which is why he remained undefeated.
Roy Jones jr beat two all time greats, in his prime. And they were Bernard Hopkins and James Toney. He also beat a very good fighter in Antonio Tarver, and all of three of these fighters were in their primes.
@Transformers217 a) Jones beat Bernard Hopkins before Hopkins (or Jones) even had a title i.e. Hopkins was by no means in his prime nor was Jones. Calzaghe on the other hand beat him when he'd proven himself and before he beat Pavlik......Hopkins is still ranked 4th P4P amazingly and holds 2 light-heavuweight belts.
b) He 'beat' Tarver on a mixed decision initially before getting knocked the fuck out in the 2nd round a few months later, then beaten by him again in their 3rd fight.
@Transformers217 Calzaghe had 20 odd title defenses and as I've already told you, that includes mandatory fights against the WBO's top rated fighters. If he 'ducked' a single one of those fights, he'd have his belt taken away so claiming he played it safe when he didn't have any choice but to fight the best is clearly bullshit.
Anyways, Emanuel Steward, trainer of just about every boxing great since the 60's, said Calzaghe is one of the greatest of all time. I'll take his opinion over yours!
@MegaBudHead2 He could of chosen to not fight any of them, and actually attempt to fight the best. He chose to fight Roy Jones jr, instead of testing himself against the best. And when two fighters actually gave him a tough fight, he didn't even attempt to give them a rematch.
who"s opinion is more valid, bill23138 or Sugar Ray Leonard. zzzzzzzzzzzzz
dan32113 2 days ago
Joe Calzaghe is an all time great, quote Sugar Ray Leonard.. nuff said
dan32113 3 weeks ago
@dan32113 yea an all time great coward
bill23138 1 week ago
bernard the white boy hopkins Lmao
edwards21416 1 month ago
seems the man of colour got beat by the white boy..
chinahands100 1 month ago
lol all these jealous americans makes me laugh because britain have the best fighters the yank cry about it
lfc4lfe2009 1 month ago
joe had a style of boxing that was always used during a fight,he usually got caught a few times by an oppenent, is why i call or think rocky be proud of him,you know but,he was very fit and trained yes was outta hos dur astiction, hey dont we know alot of people like that that run the goverment and cant count 2 three without a calculotar,watch cameroon in england feed africa forget his own
danbit5 3 months ago
here comes Bernard the big mouth loser,joe put on the pounds and still beat him
edwards21416 5 months ago
here comes the loser Bernard the big mouth loser
edwards21416 5 months ago
hopkins got robbed against calzaghe.. he lost a split decision, that means a judge gave hopkins the fight.. if calzaghe was great he should have fought hopkins a rematch... he also fought bums.. no ones, he was a cheap slapper.. that is why he wasnt picked for the amateurs, cos of his slapping style.
SuperBigknuckles 5 months ago
Loved how hop. said NO WHITEBOY ALIVE COULD BEAT HIM. WELL YOU DID GET BEAT, BLACKBOY. Not racist it just is what it is. im a whiteboy, then hes a blackboy. Then it's don't "disrespect" me. It aint about all that its about whats right and fair being right and fair. Equality. You don't like it, go move too N. Korea, wit ur boy kim jong dong sick.
chunky9791 6 months ago
@chunky9791 Except Joe didn't really win. He got a nice gift.
pearcemark2 6 months ago
How can Calzaghe be overrated when he NEVER lost?.
JeffPerez69 6 months ago
Lol looks liked they touched lips for a second there
XxSPIDERxX90st 8 months ago
Hopkins floored that record padding Calzague.
vladiator100 8 months ago
One of the most stupidist comments i've heard was pre fight when Calzaghe said to Hopkins " Do you think you could have beaten Kessler" Funnier still is Calzaghe actually believed what he was saying. LMFAO
TheMillford 9 months ago
the fight sucked it looked like 2 old men slap boxing
Rep843 10 months ago
too bad calzaghe didn't try hopkins or roy jones jr 8-10 years earlier
comnieto 10 months ago
Ok im sorry.. I just hate the fact the Joe Calzgahenever lost..
I hate to say this,, but Joe was the greatest ever in his class.
He was the fastest ive ever seen..
Cowarrdzaghe 10 months ago
i love boxing
cheeseybred 1 year ago
hoopkins luzer
lukasz1982ism 1 year ago
BENARD HOPKINS LOST TO THE WHITE BOY WHOS TALKING NOW
masterdelrap 1 year ago
white boy kicked the shit out of im wankers
willisfammusicfans 1 year ago
Joe Calzaghe is an all time great! quote Sugar Ray Leonard.
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 Joe Calzaghe's not an all time great. He's a great fighter, but he's not a Ray Robinson, Ali, or a Duran.
Transformers217 1 year ago
Calzaghe beat Hopkins so bad, that Hopkins didn't want to fight him and feigned injury.... he was schooling him that badly.
TALIBANBOYOreturns 1 year ago 9
@TALIBANBOYOreturns Even though Hopkins called him out for a rematch, and called him out this year and Calzaghe almost agreed. Until he realized that he didn't want to risk losing his undefeated record, or he's just tired of boxing.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@TALIBANBOYOreturns HUH? hopkins wanted a rematch becuase of th eclose decision and joe refused
Sexiiimamita180 7 months ago
Joe Calzaghe beat Bernard's ass! Joe displayed he had superior skills so Bernard clutched and clutched. Had he not clutched Joe would have KOd his ass! Also hey Bernard.......................YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A WHITE BOY! lol :)
ECS1978 1 year ago
@ECS1978 Bernard is also past his prime.
Calzaghe didn't fight any great fighters, and the best fighter that he had fought, was past the age of 40, and almost lost that fight.
Transformers217 1 year ago
calzaghe must be in the top ten fighters ever he retired undefeated he didnt have the best skills but knew when to persevere and his jaw could take some heat
djsubliminalreeve 1 year ago
joe might be the greatest boxer of all time
jcliffor830 1 year ago 8
@jcliffor830 If he would have actually fought more decent champions in their prime!
atomicmcguire 1 year ago
@jcliffor830 You better learn you're boxing before making stupid comments like that.
Nathan2345678 10 months ago
I can't see how people find Calzaghe shit.
He's beaten everyone.
boldertits 1 year ago 2
I never saw the fight previously. I heard what an asshole hopkins was. I am so happy Calzaghe beat that thug
SayNoToBrainWashing 1 year ago
CHECK 1/2 HR on the bag
philcoool 1 year ago
"bernard holding" not bernard hopkins
HENRYHOBBS1 1 year ago
Calzaghe is the most entertaining fighter to watch. I'll any of his fights over MMA any day.
hatfisc 1 year ago
Having fundamental respect is of essence, as to be coherent with an unbiased analyisis, behaviour has to be attributed internally and externally before it can be percieved and then judged. Cut the crap talk and leave it for the classroom horse Lets just say Calzaghe is the only living undisputed champion.... Ha ha ha Divet head
bigkho 1 year ago
Looking through some of the comments you would think they were written by spoiled 9 year olds. Really, this is what gives fight fans a bad image. You idiots are no better than football hooligans. Im not talking about legitimate debate/critique. Some people are for Calzaghe/some aren't. Im a Calzaghe man but I have a fundamental respect for allmost every fighter who steps in the ring. I wonder would those who make cheap comments have the guts to step in a ring in front of thousands of people?
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
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WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
ooo what happen i thought no white man would beat u niqqa im glad he beat him the way he did after that he should have shown bernard that he also had a black wife and he had kids with her and all of them where boys and he has her cook for him boiled chicken and there is no grape soda alowed in his house an no coolaid in his fridge
dillstrush 1 year ago
@dillstrush You people should know Hopkins was just hype.Colour has nothing to do with it Joe C beat him fair and square.
philcoool 1 year ago
@philcoool - Calfaggy was just hype and a manufactured record. He got 2 dropped by 2 old fighters in Hopkins & Jones and barely won a decision against Hopkins. Imagine what Hopkins would've done to Calfaggy in his prime. Hopkins would've retired Calfaggy.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff If you think about it Joe C is no spring chicken either 3 yrs difference.He was also faster when he was younger .I am not his fan but the man seem to beat whoever stands infront of him.He must have some skill or is extremly lucky.
philcoool 1 year ago
@philcoool - Yeah, Joe C was always a good fighter, but he wasn't willing to come to America to face the best until very late in his career when he wanted to cherrypick his way to "greatness." So we'll never truly know how good he really was, and his legacy is less than it possibly could've been. He beat Roy & Hopkins, but they're still ranked ahead of him legacy-wise by most experts.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff Ha ha little man imagine what Calzaghe would have done to that holding molester hopkins in his prime... Fact BHop has been more successful in the later part of his career so you talking crap little man. Manufactured ha ha DIVET head he beat everyone in the supermiddleweight division for over 15 years all number 1 contenders... Who has hopkins beat? a 4 years past his best and weight de la hoya any names he beat were all smaller fighters winky its shameful
bigkho 1 year ago
@bigkho - B-Hop was more of a killer in his prime, but he didn't get to face the big names and didn't get the real exposure until after he upset Felix Trinidad. After that, Hopkins was able to get big fights with big-named opponents like Oscar and Hopkins happened to have the longevity to be able to hang around and move up 2 divisions to upset Antonio Tarver and later upset Kelly Pavlik.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff Hopkins didnt upset De la hoya as de la hoya was in decline for 4 years prior and also had to gain weight to fight the natural lightheavyweight hopkins. Hopkins was never a killer he went out to upset opponents with grappling and holding and it worked for him as he was able to neutralise most gifted boxers.
bigkho 1 year ago
@philcoool - If you had followed Hopkins whole career, you'd know he wasn't hype. He's just not the killer, action fighter that he was in his prime. In fact, I think he should retire very soon if not immediately.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
Joe Calzaghe retired because he didn't think Muhammad Ali will fight him to prove his "greatness". He could get a ready job as a COMEDIAN!
When Chad Dawson was mentioned as an opponent having outclassed Antonio Tarver, the man who ENDED Roy Jones's career in 2004, he said all he had beaten was an "old man". TARVER WAS OMLY 40 YEARS OLD, and he said it with a STRAIGHT FACE!
I am surprised FRANK WARREN said the COWARD only DUCKED 12 WORLD TITLE FIGHTS. I thought it would of been MANY MORE!
michaelowensvr 1 year ago
@michaelowensvr How many fight have you won?In the ring he dont fight like a coward and thats where it counts.
philcoool 1 year ago
Say hello to the bad guy,,,,,, All you bitches keep the noise down. Calzaghe 46 and 0 greatest living legend undefeated, ruled the supermiddleweight division for 14 years. Ring Magazine World Light-Heavyweight Champion, as well as former WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, The Ring Magazine and the British super middleweight champion. Now bow down to athe man.
bigkho 1 year ago
@bigkho u said it right man calzaghe will go down in the books
dillstrush 1 year ago
@dillstrush - Calfaggy will definitely go down in the books. As a cherry picker of Pacquiao proportions.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff Stupid comment. When someone beats everyone in their division for over 15 years avoiding nobody in that division its not cherry picking. Can you name one number one contender in the supermiddleweight division he has avoided? Didnt think so.... before he retired he moved up a weight and beat the number 1 ranked light heavyweight and guess what he beat him and if you look at the stats, hit him with more than double the amount hopkins landed now that is a beating on any judges cards
bigkho 1 year ago
@bigkho - That's like if Holyfield had stayed at cruiserweight and defended his title over 20 times instead of DARING TO BE GREAT and moving up to heavyweight. Calzaghe never really took that risk to dare to be great by coming to America and seeking the big names such as Roy Jones Jr. while they were both in their primes. Why not? Because he could make more money by fighting weak opposition overseas, while holding onto his belts and claiming to be great.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff you see your wrong here Joe tried to arrange a fight will jones jnr between 2000/2001 maybe he wasnt big enough name for jones jnr but prob just aswell for Joe as Jones jnr was on the steroids then.
bigkho 1 year ago
@bigkho - Joe C. was a very good fighter, but he knew that if he came to America, his party would be over. His "0" would have to go! Retiring undefeated was more important to Joe than finding out if he was truly one of the all-time greats. So now he'll go down as great, but America will forget about him. I guess you can call him an "all-time great at 168 lbs" because it was a weak division, but most rank Roy Jones as the great 168 of all time.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
And Roy Jones wasn't even at 168 that long, so that shows you right there - that despite all of Joe's title defenses - Roy is still considered the best 168 pounder of all time! Like I said, Joe will go down as one of the best at 168 (which has historically been a weak division) but not as a top all-time pound-for-pound great. I'm not sure Joe makes the top 100 all-time pound-for-pound list.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff roy jones only had 7 fights at 168 only person of note he beat was james toney so how can he be the greatest of all time at this weight it just dont make sense. Joe cal has defeated over 15 ex champs in the 168 division, then when he was just 37 moved up to face the number 1 lightheavy weight boxer and won. What other fighters could he have fought?
bigkho 1 year ago
@bigkho well he need to come back to fight Chad Dawson,Arthur Abraham,Lucian Bute (his brother) Lol..,umm Paul Williams..that's4 people that will give him trouble & a run 4 his money bro..those are legitimate champions not paper champions he fought at super middleweight that my grandpa can beat..
MrThriller4life 1 year ago
@MrThriller4life Ha ha your joking right? He doesnt need to come back at 39 years of age to fight unproven boxers in Lucian Bute who only started his proffessional career in 2003 and has not beat any fighters to note maybe Sakio Bika.. Laughable. Arthur Abraham lost his first half test in Andre Dirrell, And Chad Dawson the biggest phoney beaten nobody came to the forefront because he beat two over 40s in tarver and johnson when he was only 25 the biggest fraud
bigkho 1 year ago
@bigkho If The fighters i named are fruad then so is Calslappy's record...may i remind u he did beat a shot Roy Jones & Bernard Hopkins..A overated Jeff Lacy, a goof ball Mikkel Kessler etc..who has he beat in there prime that's a hall of famer?? exactly nobody fool...
MrThriller4life 1 year ago
@MrThriller4life You see your talking crap now Hopkins was and still is the top ranked lightheavy weight who is a proven fighter who has only lost to two fighters since 1993 and your saying hes not in his prime, he may be old but he's had his greatest victories over the past 5 years, Lacy was overhyped by the americans just like the fighters you mentioned, Kessler is a top fighter and if you think otherwise you dont know your boxing
bigkho 1 year ago
@comedicstuff id have to disagree again roy jones jnr fought in the supermiddleweight division for 2 years 1994-1996 capturing the ibf belt so how can he be considered the greatest supermiddleweight champ of all time? he was only recognised and got negotiations from american fighters after the lacy fight.
bigkho 1 year ago
Ohoh he lost to a White guy!!
yoGethrulesWelshboio 1 year ago
1979 l/welterweight champ and also best boxer in the marines 1985 army welterweight champ 1986 l/middleweight champ 41 6 loss over 20 ko incidentaly the last competiton was a title nigel benn held at 48 i try to keep fit a vidio of me on the bags for half hour check out (boxing heavy bag for half hour )on here excuse my speed and style i know there is no defence but this vidio was to proove to myself i could still punch for half hr solid i got the sweat and sore knuckles to proof it
philcoool 2 years ago
joe is a legend
JoeCalzaghe46and0 2 years ago
Haha, not really..
Whiran 2 years ago
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primeraprim 2 years ago
Joe ate Popkins up. I will never lose to a white boy. Imagine a white fighter saying that. Unreal double standards.
eagleskins 2 years ago 31
no fuckin kidding
adoy89 2 years ago
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ajarqu0 2 years ago
damn right !!!
forum37 2 years ago
that would sound so racist ahah
MegaSports4 2 years ago
@eagleskins im not even of the white decent and i agree with you 110% unbelievably racist comment
shelbox15 1 year ago
Calzaghe he is like Mayweather you either love him or hate him .. either way he is undefeated ..
westside159 2 years ago 2
@westside159 you know what as much as i hate calzaghe i agree, MM is my favirote, but I see a similaritie i just hope MM get's a big fight before he ends it I want to face paquiao
EraFilmEnterprises 2 years ago
no hes not becasue calzaghe has actually fought bigg ppl unlike maywhater fights smaller ppl ...maywhater should fight paul williams
MegaSports4 2 years ago 2
Hopkins, like Tyson and Foreman before him, is very much an intimidation fighter. If he can't bully his opponent and get inside their head, then he's not at his best. You can see from this video that Calzaghe wasn't playing it, and even Bernard wasn't as disrespectful as he usually is.
kakonis 2 years ago 2
oy white boy all i wanna do is grope you all fight i swear i wont hit u just let me feel your balls joe just once PLEASE!!!!
robster2408 2 years ago
hey whiteboy, im gonna grab you and im gonna headbutt you. thats all im gonna do
choclatesaltyballz 2 years ago
Hey thats Chuck Zito!:)
Jorsalfar 2 years ago
bernard the exexutioner popkins
robster2408 2 years ago
no love between these two shame he DID LOOSE to the white boy never mined learn to live with it Bernard
edwards21416 2 years ago 2
he didn't shove Joe, cause Joe would have whipped his ass right on the spot
NinjaWillBeGoneSoon 2 years ago
Aw ... did poor racist Hopkins lose to the white man? nickerless - are you joking; most Americans root for the white guy, since 72% of the USA is white. I root for Russian boxers over American macaque arrogant jerks like Tyson, Hopkins, and even your monkey boy David Haye. Don't think Americans support Hopkins; I was rooting for Calzaghe all the way because I am white pride dscent from Russia and make no excuse from media that kisses Uganda monkey ass.
uncleflaco 2 years ago
Your a pure dick! Nigel Benn was my biggest hero in boxing, & I"m white as snow! I wanted Calzaghe to win as he"s a Brit not white, go jump off a cliff racist!
dan32113 2 years ago
hopkins is my hero!
SanabriaMan 2 years ago
Calzaghe is undefeated but that means nothing if you havent fought anyone. He hasnt fought anyone in their prime.
All great fighters have beaten other great fighters in their prime
Jones has Hopkins and Toney
Ali had Foreman and Frazier
Leonard had Hagler and Duran
Calzaghe has Kessler and Lacy lol
tacoandbeer 2 years ago 3
Leonard greatest win was against Hearns although took Him 8yrs to grant rematch, fought an old Hagler & won split decision! you no shit, Calzaghe would beat Jones anytime! sore losers lol. Dan Birmingham said the night Joe beat Lacy it was the greatest display he"d ever seen live, at the time Dan was USA trainer of the yr for his great work with Winky! You don"t know more than Him do you, lol. what a clown....... lollollol
dan32113 2 years ago
Roy Jones failed 4 drug tests, Jones tested positive for Testosterone Enanthate his serum levels were 100x that of normal levels. Every fight since 1996 Roys serum levels went through the roof, source Anthony Hall head of doping Nevada State. damn You praise a cheat, does Your Dad know about this, shameful!
dan32113 2 years ago
Dont give me that bullshit. If Roy really took that much steroids he wouldve died by now. He took steroids once after coming down from heavyweight and having to lose 30 lbs of solid muscle. Im just gonna ignore you now because its obvious your just a hater with little or no knowledge of the sport
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
HAHA that's right ignore dan32113 because he's just OWNED you lol!!!
YOU'RE the hater with no knowledge of the sport. You thought Kessler was English!!
Roy Jones wouldve died by now?!LOL! Arnold Schwarzenegger took a lot more steroids- is he dead?!
Jones was a drugs cheat. Even if he only took them once, those gains in strength are permanent with proper diet and training, therefore he was cheating in every subsequent fight. So take ur tongue out of his ass u sloppy toothless motherfucker.
stephenm75 2 years ago
don't make excuses for your bro , he just got his ass whipped ... "boy"
NinjaWillBeGoneSoon 2 years ago
What? I hate Hopkins but I also hate bullshit decisions and I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
whatever calzaghe did or didn't do- at least it was him doing it, not the steroids.
stephenm75 2 years ago
Roid Jones Junior
stephenm75 2 years ago
your web page sucks ass my man tried to reply twice but it ont le,me love the fact that you think lacey is a joke though and that roid is past it yet you posted a vid of their fight just days ago.hillarious
pigmysta 2 years ago
sorry bout the sucks ass comment,i was and have been venting spleen,appologies
pigmysta 2 years ago
@tacoandbeer Every body has there own opinion,but Joe is well past his prime but look at the perfomance he does,i am 49 check my vidio i am out of shape but i can hold my own with anyone in there 2os
philcoool 1 year ago
and the winner is..... Joe Calzaghe
Englandbelongs2me 2 years ago 3
shit Hopkins threw more punches at the weigh in, than in the fight! & he still says he was robbed. damn that ghetto bum is brain dead!
dan32113 2 years ago
Wasnt even a close fight 8-4 for Calzaghe...but score it 7-5 due to the knockdown. The reason he was crawling around on the floor for five minutes is he knew he needed the extra point to get the draw. Not a champion.
you dont keep titles throwing 20 punches a round and holding.
Gumpygumps 2 years ago 2
theres some right fucking saddo's on here, calzaghe won end of..
beansweed44 2 years ago 3
Cowardzaghe fought nothing but tomato cans and 2 OLD MEN
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
1 of those old men was champion
if hes poor then that says alot bout wot u yanks can offer
im glad u realise
nickerless557 2 years ago
First of all im no "yank" im from the UK just like you.
I have nothing personal against Calzaghe. I just think he is extremely overrated. I mean look at his record. Kessler, Lacy, Manfredo and a 40 year old RJJ and 44 year old Hopkins who several people thought beat him.
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
Calzaghe was 36 Roy 39, don"t exaggerate 3yrs difference! Eubank double world champ, Mitchell & Brewer world champs, also Brit"s Robin Reid Olympic bronze & WBC world title, Richie Woodhall who Jones jnr boxed in 1988 Seoul semi & still talks of his power, won Olympic bronze & WBC world crown, You can"t buy Olympic medals 7
dan32113 2 years ago 7
Aarghh, Christ. Another idiot trying to argue with me. PLEASE! Jones was 3 years older but different fighters peak at different times. Didnt you see Lewis vs Tyson? Mike was well past it and he was YOUNGER than Lennox
Different fighters peak at different times.
Jeezus, Some people just no NO IDEA what they are talking about.
tacoandbeer 2 years ago 2
@dan32113 Roy was past his prime. Calzaghe fought an older, and damaged Roy Jones. Not the great Roy Jones jr from the 90's. That Roy would of given Calzaghe a boxing lesson in my opinion.
But we'll never know that, since Calzaghe fought an over the hill Roy Jones.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 remember when Jeff Lacy was coming up! If Roy Jones had smashed him to pieces & not Calzaghe, everyone would of said how great Roy is but because it was Calzaghe, Lacy was average!
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 I didn't really know Jeff Lacy that well. And some real boxing fans knew that he was overrated. So I didn't really get the hype, nor did I actually knew who Jeff Lacy was, until Calzaghe beat him.
So no, I don't remember that hype. Maybe it was there, but it went over my head. I was too focused on Bernard Hopkins fighting Tarver, and Mayweather fighting Zab Judah.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 trust me Lacy was hyped by HBO & Ring magazine, Calzaghe was the underdog in the Lacy fight! Its the same as with Ricky Hatton, Kosta Tszyu had looked back to his best against Shamba Mitchell, then Hatton makes him quit all of a sudden Tszyu is over the hill & shit! Zab Judah was destroyed by Tszyu.
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 Actually, Calzaghe was the favorite when he fought Lacy in his home town. I don't know about over here, because I just didn't care enough to begin with. I was focused on Hopkins, Mayweather, and Pacquiao at that time.
And Tszyu was past his prime when he lost against Hatton. In his prime, he would of floored Hatton. But he was past it, and didn't prepare properly for that fight.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@dan32113 The problem with Calzaghe's career, is that he just didn't dare to be great. If he had beaten Taylor, Pavlik, and Chad Dawson, instead of fighting Jones and retiring, then I'd consider him an all time great. But he didn't, so he's just a great fighter, who manage to retire undefeated. But I don't rank him among the best, and I don't rank Ricardo Lopez among the best either. And I don't rank Rocky Marciano higher then Mohammed Ali.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 come on Carl Froch beat Taylor, are you gonna tell me the way Calzaghe beat Hopkins by 3 & 5 rds on 2 judges cards he couldn"t beat Taylor! Pavlik is made for Calzaghe one dimensional , he would of had his head boxed off! He comes forward in straight line"s, easy night for Joe. Chad Dawson just lost to Pascal, Froch punched the granny out of Pascal. Calzaghe is a much better "boxer" than all the above (including Hopkins) mainly because his work rate is just so superiour!
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 But never fought any of them, so we don't know. But if he did, then I'd actually consider him a great fighter. But he didn't fight any really great fighters. And the best fighter that he fought is past his prime, and he ducked a rematch with him.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Calzaghe was past his prime as well. Lets be serious Hopkins "marquee" win is against welterweight Trinidad. That took him until the 12th rd. What would Hagler of done to Felix, smashed him to pieces. Hopkins was a bit of a runner for my taste! Clever but a runner, Toney was better because he could slip/block while in range.
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 Joe was actually still in his prime. He probably had another good two years left in his career. Let's be serious, Hopkins dominated the Middleweight division for 10 years, and he created the blue print on how to beat Taylor. In fact, I think he won both of those fights, because of his accurate punches, and the fact that he actually hurt Taylor.
And Trinidad still carried his power to the middleweight division, and Hopkins knock out ratio is better then Hagler's, in their primes.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@dan32113 If you compare Hopkins knock out ration from the 90's, to Hagler's knock out ration in his prime, then Hopkins owns. Hagler probably wouldn't of been able to knock out Tito, but he would of out boxed him. Hagler was one of the most intelligent brawlers in boxing history.
But unlike Hopkins, Hagler lost to a fighter who was smaller than him, named Ray Leonard. And he had a long night against Roberto Duran. While Hopkins knocked out both Trinidad and Delahoya.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@dan32113 Hopkins wasn't a runner, he was a boxer. And a brilliant boxer at that. He started boxing more, when he got older. But in his prime, nobody could really beat him. In the mid to late 90's, he was untouchable. He almost looked like Sugar Ray Robinson at times. He could brawl, box, and had an underrated defense. Next to Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather Jr, Hopkins has the best defense of the last 20 years. One of the greatest defensive boxers of all time.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Hopkins was not a great boxer, if you watch him, when he goes forward to punch he lunges, dropping his head with very poor balance! He defended his middleweight IBF belt against worse fighters than Calzaghe defended against, before getting handed his ass by Calzaghe! If you call holding a fighter boxing, you are strange, because thats what Hopkins did in this fight with Joe! his best 2 wins are against welterweight Trinidad & all time running great Tarver, LOL zzzzzzzzzzzz
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 Hopkins was one of the greatest, and most intelligent fighters in history. He could throw punches from all angles, he could fight against any style, and with any style. He chin is probably made of steel, he had incredible stamina, great speed, foot-work, and an underrated defense. And he fought better fighters then Calzaghe. Calzaghe's competition in his homeland is nothing, compared to Roy Jones jr and Glen Johnson.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@dan32113 Hopkins started holding more as he got older, and his stamina started to decline. If Joe fought the Hopkins from 10 years ago, you would see an entirely different fight. He of even knocked out Joe.
In the end, Joe got lucky, and cherry picked his way to perfection. Most fighters who are undefeated, haven't really fought anybody. Mayweather has beaten some great competition, but who has he really fought? Really? Even Rocky Marciano's career keeps out of the top 5 sometimes.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Hopkins struggled because he normally controls the pace, but he couldn"t against Calzaghe, he twice claimed low blows in 10th & 11th rds, he was looking for a way out! Mayweather lost against Castillo 1st fight, no doubt, just look at his face when the decision is anounced! What i hate Cortez is because he let Hopkins hold, Hatton was not allowed to infight against Floyd, a ref should not favour a fighter over another.
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 Calzaghe didn't give Hopkins a chance to hold, so I don't see why Cortez had to do anything.
And I agree, Hopkins energy was negative. But he probably would of done better in a rematch, and he is way past his prime.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 have you watched the fight, because Hopkins holds alot especially in 2nd half of fight. Just listen to Emanuel Steward, he says Hopkins can"t cope with Joe"s style & workrate. That Hopkins has never fought anyone like him before! But what does Steward know, he"s only the Kronk gym guru, & trained over 30 world champs & considered an alltime great trainer, LOL.
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 Hopkins has fought BETTER fighters then Joe Calzaghe. He just couldn't deal with Joe's work rate, because he's past his prime. He's a 40+ year old man. So he's actually able to do a lot better against slower fighters, who are flat-footed, then against Boxers with quicker hands, and a higher work rate.
In his prime, he might of knocked out Joe Calzaghe.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 you probably don"t know but Joe was the 1st boxer since world war 2, to win national titles at 3 different weight in consecutive yrs, welter, light middle, & middleweight! he hasn"t lost since 1990 right through to the Jones jnr fight that isn"t luck! best part of 20yrs without a loss.
dan32113 1 year ago
@dan32113 You probably don't know, but Bernard Hopkins is the first fighter to go from middleweight, to light heavyweight, and win the light heavyweight title. Sugar Ray Robinson tried to do, but he didn't succeed, because of a big heat wave that drained him.
But Bernard Hopkins made that accomplishment. He's the first, and only fighter to go from middleweight, to light heavyweight, and beat the champion. No tune up fights, he just went straight to the champion.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@dan32113 And not losing since 1990 is a combination of luck, and simply not fighting the best.
He had a chance to fight either Jones or Hopkins in their primes, but he didn't take that chance. Maybe it was because of Frank Warren protecting him, but Calzaghe did not dare to be great. He just got to them, when they were past their prime. That's basically how history will look at his career. He's a great fighter, who didn't test himself against the best.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217
Lol, no offence but you clearly dont now much about Calzaghe if you think that.
He was never given a chance to fight Roy or B-Hop earleir on and Calzaghe is also old and way past his prime as well. And it ain't luck, he's beena britsh champion since he was just 12 years old, ad ahs foguth great fighters.
I'll ask you this, who the fuck has Hopkins beaten then?
403766 1 year ago
@403766 I know a lot about Joe Calzaghe. He had a chance to fight Jones and Hopkins 10 years ago, and probably back in the late 90's. But he didn't fight them. Now did he duck them? Or was Frank Warren to protective? I think it was Frank Warren's fault. But either way, Calzaghe lost whatever credibility that he could of gotten, if he fought a prime Hopkins or Jones.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@403766 Hopkins has beaten every contender in the middleweight division, and was a champion for 10 years. He knocked out Trinidad, and Delahoya. He dominated Tarver, Winky Wright, and Kelly Pavlik.
That's far better competition then what Joe has ever fought. When I compare their resumes, Hopkins comes out on top in my opinion.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217
I still hardly would say they are anythnig special I know RJJ has fought much better comp but B-Hop hardly, the same as Joe.
403766 1 year ago
@403766 Then you don't know anything about boxing. B-Hop fought good and great competition and continues to do so. Calzaghe didn't fight anybody great. And when he did, he didn't even try to give them a rematch.
And Roy Jones jr didn't fight a competitive opponent until the late 90's, and well past his prime.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217
Lol look who talking who the fuck did B-Hop ever beat then?
403766 1 year ago
@403766 I listed the fighters that B-Hop beat. His resume is better then Joe Calzaghe's.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@403766 Hopkins resume is also better then Roy Jones jr.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217
Lol not really
403766 1 year ago
@403766 According to their resumes, Hopkins has the best one. Who did Roy beat during the 90's? The only great fighter that he manage to beat was Bernard Hopkins, and Roy didn't even attempt to give him a rematch.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@403766 James Toney was really good, but not an all time great.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 toney lost to griffin sez it all twice
lee1990lee 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Hopkins refused to fight Joe years back, when the fight was lined up for 3 million and in the US, but chickened out. Just as he tried to chicken out by holding and cheating when they did fight. He lacked spirit and character.
mizofan 1 year ago
@mizofan And Joe chickened out this year, when Hopkins called him out for a rematch.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Joe had the good sense to quit before being too far past it. What else could he prove? He'd beaten all the top guys, he couldn't go back and change the past. Hopkins is extremely unusual at his age but too many boxers go on too long, and it's also a mistake usually to come back from retirement. So Hopkins has to call out someone in retirement when he avoided him in his prime?
mizofan 1 year ago
@mizofan Joe just didn't want to lose. So I don't consider him to be an all time great. I definitely won't be comparing him to guys like Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sugar Ray Leonard.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Oh of course Joe wasn't as good as Leonard or Robinson! He wasn't even the greatest Welsh boxer
mizofan 1 year ago
@mizofan WTF?! not the greatest welsh...i know he isnt hes the fucking greatest BRITISH CHAMPION!
BIGDOGJCP 11 months ago
@BIGDOGJCP Jimmy Wilde is the greatest welsh & british fighter! voted the 3rd hardest puncher of alltime by Ring magazine. The ghost with the hammer in his hand, or mighty atom is the number 1 from these islands. FACT
dan32113 11 months ago
@Transformers217 Why would Hopkins have done better in a rematch? Once Joe had him worked out, it was all one way traffic. And Hopkins wouldn't get away with his cheating "low blow" 5 minute rest again, so would have struggled even more in the later part of the fight. Even when knocked down in fights, Joe was always able to come back well, and Hopkins could never compete with his spirit or energy, that incredible work-rate and fitness.
mizofan 1 year ago
@mizofan I think Hopkins would of trained better, worked harder, and continued to expose Joe's flaws.
Either way, Hopkins and Jones would of beaten Calzaghe easily in their primes. Calzaghe might of been a great fighter, but he never tested himself against the best. And when he actually fought somebody who could challenge him, he didn't even attempt to give them a rematch. And Floyd Mayweather is headed down the same path.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Also why would Joe want to fight a dirty disrepectful cheat again? Hopkins had his chance and blew it and certainly didn't deserve to share the ring again with Calzaghe. Instead he will have to live with the knowledge he lost to the better man with a bigger heart who didn't stoop to his shameful level. And that knowledge will always bug him.
mizofan 1 year ago
@mizofan Joe should fight the best, if he wanted to prove to be the best. He didn't prove to be the best. He faught older fighters who were past their primes, and didn't give a rematch to the fighters who came very close to beating him.
Hopkins is one of the greatest, and most intelligent fighters who have ever lived. In 10 years, people will still be talking about his achievements. Not Calzaghe's.
Transformers217 1 year ago
@Transformers217 As i said, Hopkins avoided him, the only one left in Joe's class was Roy Jones and he was more interested in other fish to fry anyway. Joe was right to respect him, but not Hopkins- that faked 5 minute rest showed his character, or lack of it. Hopkins has lasted extremely well for his age, and in doing so, enhances Joe's reputation.
mizofan 1 year ago
@Transformers217 Jones jnr 39 Calzaghe 36, so just 3yr difference.
dan32113 11 months ago
@dan32113 Years have nothing to do with it. Jones was WAY past his prime. He fought a lot longer than Calzaghe, so he had many more years of punishment.
Calzaghe still had a couple good years left in his career.
Transformers217 11 months ago
@Transformers217 no, Calzaghe had been world champ for 11yrs, he was also past his best! Joe destroyed him, showing even at Roys best it would be very close!
dan32113 11 months ago
@dan32113 No, Calzaghe was still at his best. Roy Jones jr was a shot fighter.
And if Jones was in his prime, he would of knocked out Calzaghe.
Transformers217 11 months ago
@Transformers217 rubbish, listen to the experts! Joe Calzaghe is an alltime great, quote Sugar Ray leonard. The night Joe beat Jeff Lacy was the best live performance i have ever seen! quote from Dan Birmingham who at the time was also Winky Wrights trainer as well as Lacys, he was riding the crest of a wave being US Trainer of the year. He said there was nothing he could do to nulify Calzaghe"s brilliance. But what does a legend like Leonard, & trainer of the year know compared to you. LOL....
dan32113 11 months ago
@dan32113 Joe Calzaghe is an all time great. But he never dared to be great, nor did he tried to fight other good fighters who were capable of beating him. Instead, he decided to fight older fighters. And he didn't even have the courage to give Hopkins a rematch.
Calzaghe is an all time great, but he's overrated, and he never dared to be great.
Transformers217 11 months ago
@dan32113 And Calzaghe would of been knocked out by a prime Roy Jones jr.
Transformers217 11 months ago
@Transformers217 Can you tell me ONE big name boxer that Roy Jones Jr. knocked out?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MegaBudHead2 8 months ago
@MegaBudHead2 None, but Roy Jones jr fought better competition, and was incredible in his prime.
Joe Calzaghe didn't dare to be great in my opinion.
Transformers217 8 months ago
@Transformers217 "better competition"!!!! The only household name he beat in his prime was James Toney! Who else is in this "better competition" category?! The fact that Calzaghe held his belt for over a decade meant he had mandatory fights every other fight against the WBO's top ranked contenders.....it's difficult to see how that's not fighting the best competition there is. Calzaghe called out Jones numerous times....Jones cowardly chose Clinton Woods instead....
MegaBudHead2 8 months ago
@MegaBudHead2 But Calzaghe didn't fight anybody great, and when he did, he didn't give them a rematch. Calzaghe didn't dare to be great, he just played it safe. Which is why he remained undefeated.
Roy Jones jr beat two all time greats, in his prime. And they were Bernard Hopkins and James Toney. He also beat a very good fighter in Antonio Tarver, and all of three of these fighters were in their primes.
Joe Calzaghe is overrated.
Transformers217 8 months ago
@Transformers217 a) Jones beat Bernard Hopkins before Hopkins (or Jones) even had a title i.e. Hopkins was by no means in his prime nor was Jones. Calzaghe on the other hand beat him when he'd proven himself and before he beat Pavlik......Hopkins is still ranked 4th P4P amazingly and holds 2 light-heavuweight belts.
b) He 'beat' Tarver on a mixed decision initially before getting knocked the fuck out in the 2nd round a few months later, then beaten by him again in their 3rd fight.
MegaBudHead2 8 months ago
@Transformers217 Calzaghe had 20 odd title defenses and as I've already told you, that includes mandatory fights against the WBO's top rated fighters. If he 'ducked' a single one of those fights, he'd have his belt taken away so claiming he played it safe when he didn't have any choice but to fight the best is clearly bullshit.
Anyways, Emanuel Steward, trainer of just about every boxing great since the 60's, said Calzaghe is one of the greatest of all time. I'll take his opinion over yours!
MegaBudHead2 8 months ago
@MegaBudHead2 He could of chosen to not fight any of them, and actually attempt to fight the best. He chose to fight Roy Jones jr, instead of testing himself against the best. And when two fighters actually gave him a tough fight, he didn't even attempt to give them a rematch.
Joe Calzaghe is overrated.
Transformers217 6 months ago
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