True, the mere absence of the word Trinity does not prove a thing in relation to the correctness or incorrectness of the Trinity doctrine. The evidence against the Trinity should come straight from the scriptures.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. However, if Jesus quoted either the LXX or the Hebrew at Matthew 4, then he would have used God's name. Besides, many of the Psalms were prayers where Jehovah is used numerous times according to both the Hebrew and the oldest LXX manusripts.
@MOREHARTH- You are correct. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I've been trying to get JWs to understand that for years. You know, like the fact that the Bible doesn't use the word "Trinity." If the Trinity isn't trues becasue the word isn't found in Scripture, then Jesus never addressed God in prayer as Jehovah. It is the same argument.
In the Lords Prayer (Matt 6:9) it says "let your name be sanctified" God's name is YHWH aka JHVH aka Jehovah- this way it is prenouncible, so to sanctify it we must spread the word and teach about Jehovah, that is what the scripture means.
@PhilPho1 have you ever looked at the definition of "sanctified"? It means sacred, holy, respect, and yes, even for sacred religious uses. I cannot find a single definition of sanctified that says to use it casually, or use to make a point, or use to prove you are right. I personally find the name too sacred to use in everyday conversations. I DO let His name be sanctified. I do let His name be sacred. I don't use it as an advertising tool.
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
Jesus tells Satan that JEHOVAH ALONE is to be worshiped.....
He (Jesus Christ) is quoting scripture. As he did throughout this account with Satan.....
He is quoting (Deuteronomy 10:20) which, if you check your Bible, has the Tetragrammaton (YHWH/JHVH) Jehovah.....
Are you implying that in the almost 7000 times that the Tetragrammaton appears as YHWH/JHVH, and represents Gods name, that the Bible is WRONG???
Are you implying that the Name in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, which clearly show Gods name to be YHWH/JHVH Yahawah or Jahovah, is incorrect?
Jehovah's Witness or not...... Do you deny that the Tetragrammaton is there some 7000 times and is Gods name which literally means "He causes to Become"???
@david42262 Jehovah is a bastardization of the original name. The Jews, the ones who came up with YHWH, have stated that Jehovah is about as far from the original as you can get.
But the greatest statement of yours, "Do you truly hold Scripture as the Authority?" is priceless. JW theology has very little to do with the Bible. As a born-in, I speak from experience. What the typical JW believes has everything to do with what the Governing Body currently teaches.
We are witnesses in a different sense, we follow in Jesus footsteps as he was a witness of his Father, teaching and preaching Jehovahs will. However we are witnesses of Jehovah because he is our heavenly father and we preach his will just as Jesus did.
Jesus and god have the strongest father and son relationship ever in the history of the earth. Now, my relationship with my dad is absolutely nothing compared to that of theirs, and yet, I don't call my dad by his name. Then surely in the relationship between Jehovah and Jesus I'm not surprised Jesus calls him father, rather than by name.
so my question back would be: Why SHOULD Jesus have to call his father by name?
If you honestly have to introduce yourself, give your name and say u will call me by my name then u have some problems. Who does that, honestly? Jehovah made man in his image, He knows us inside and out, He knows every hair on our heads, If He really had to tell us His name and remind us "Oh yeah btw thats what you call me ok" Then he would have said that in the scriptures. Its not rocket science, If someone tells you there name they automatically assume thats what you are going to call them by
Its not disrespectful to call your dad by his name, its just the way humans in general address their parents, when a son or daughter introduces their parent they dont say "this is my dad his name is dad" No, They say this is my dad his name is whatever it is. We get the idea to adress Jehovah by his name because he tells us to. Jehovah doesnt say my name is jehovah u will call me jehovah. When you introduce yourself you dont say hi my name is bill call me bill, u just assume they are going to
All the times Jesus will say Jehovah's name he would also add in your God. But when when he would talk to him directly he would say father meaning he had respect for him. I wouldn't call my dad by his name that disrespectful. I call him dad.
@silkyhands914- EXACTLY! If it is disrespectful to call you earthly father by his first name, where do you get the idea that we are to address God by His name? To know it is one thing. To call Him by it is another.
Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said to him: again it is said, you must not put Jehovah your god to the test." many bibles versions take out the name Jehovah and put in lord. Lord is just a title even Jesus was referred to as lord however Ezekiel 39: 7 says that Gods holy name will be known in the midst of people and that name is Jehovah (Look it up). I don't have to tell you how many times the name Jehovah come up in the bible even the name Jesus mean "Jehovah is salvation."
The word Jehovah isn't in the New Testament and they have no proof that it did exist in the NT, what they do have is some schoolar said that there could be the possibility, but possibilities are not facts, whats also interesting is the dead see scrolls do not have Jehovah as well.
Where in scripture are we commanded to use ONLY the name YHWH? His Word testifies of Him, and it shows His name (Character). He showed Moses His name on the mount when Moses asked what was His name. Moses came down with His Law, which is His eternal Righteousness. The name Jehovah was not even penned until 1270 by a catholic monk. I prefer to use the name Jehovah because it's what I'm used to, but I won't create a man made doctrine from it. We Love Him because of His (Character) name.
Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
He didn't use his first name he said Father, God in prayer! Much like if you were praying to or even speaking to your earthly father, would you say his name such as oh Tim, oh, Bob, dear Darrin, etc no of course not. It's Dad or pop or Father, NO?
How about all the times Jesus said Jehovah's name, how about that?
Witnesses of both Jehovah and Jesus. As faithful Jews, Jesus’ early disciples were already witnesses of Jehovah. (Isa. 43:10-12) But now they were to witness also concerning Jesus’ vital role in sanctifying Jehovah’s name by means of His Messianic Kingdom. Their thus bearing witness to Jesus was with Jehovah’s glory in view. (Rom. 16:25-27; Phil. 2:9-11) They testified that Jehovah had not lied, that after more than 4,000 years he had at last raised up the long-promised Messiah, or Christ!
Do you call your father by his name or do you call him dad ? Out of Love childern usualy call their parents mom and dad, Jesus called him father,but he did say that he made his fathers name know to others.
JN 17:6 “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world...
JN17:26 And I have made your name known to them and will make it known...
Why did Jehovah God put his name in the bible over 6000 if he does not want people to use it? How is this logical
My comments were a little unfair...as I wasn`t saying my own opinions, I was `quoting` a JW about prayer....not my own words.....I wanted to see the reaction....basically I was told if I wasn`t a JW then the devil is answering my prayers NOT God.
Jehovah only listens to JWs prayers, if you are not a JW but pray and get your prayers answered it is not God answering your prayers, it is the devil. Remember, the devil can turn himself into an angel of light.....be warned.
@girlznguitarz Jezzzz They really got you brainwashed. JWs really need to know who Jesus really is. JWs grossly dishonor Him simply by declaring that He's a created angel, a god, a Lord, or God's lil' kid. Unless you have Jesus, you don't have the Father. He doesn't know you, or hear your prayers, unless it's a sincere prayer of repentance. To know who Jesus really is you can start with (Rev.1:8). But use a real Bible. Not that doctored knock off NWT. That's worse than a porn novel.
Jesus uses Jehovah's name several times in the scriptures when talking to other people about his father. In Matthew 23:39 Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for not accepting those sent in Jehovah's name. This shows that Jesus himself was sent in and recognized the importance of his father's name. When praying to his father, he was speaking to him as a son to a father. Would you use your father's name when speaking with him? Jesus showed respect for his father in this way.
u r correct. Christ NEVER did. IM an EX JW and was shocked to realise this. If Christ didnt make it at least as important as the JW's, then what in the hell is the big deal?
the new testament just used the word lord or god but the old testament uses jehovah,So are you questioning jws or the bible itself?More importantly are you trying to just stumble people or are you trying to find the answers here???If you have the answers then please make your vids less boring and tell all.personally i think you need to go away and grow up and learn more.
U must have a bible that does not mention the name of Jehovah maybe it jus says the lord if noticed this in many translations, also Angels is sometimes replaced by Sons of God. try a bible in a diferent language other than english
In the Scriptures, certain numbers have symbolic significance. The number seven, for example, is often used to symbolize that which is complete, or perfect, in God's eyes. Seven signifies divinely determined completeness. Revelation 1:4, 12, 16; 4:5; 5:1, 6; 10:3, 4.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness about God's name J-E-H-O-V-A-H 7 letters.
The number seven in the Bible is clearly not paganism or numerology.
A fool will believe anything; smart people watch their step. (Proverbs 14:15, Todays English Version)
Yes, only a fool would go through life blindly accepting everything he hears, basing his decisions and actions on frivolous advice or baseless teachings.
NO ONE has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events. Problem is, there are several inaccurate translations.
It is a waste of time debating different subjects in the Bible with people that believe that Jesus is God. If you don't actually LISTEN to what Jesus said then your arguments are empty. If Jesus is God, then why would Satan tempt him??? NO ONE including Satan can tempt his creator!
Go away, Satan!...It is Jehovah your God YOU MUST WORSHIP, and it is to HIM ALONE you must render sacred service. Matthew 4:8-10
If you put down peoples religious beliefs regardless of whether you believe in God or not, then that is pure religious intolerance.
I don't put down anybody's religious beliefs but I will defend my beliefs by showing people truths from the Bible.
People on this site that 'claim' to be Christians or 'claim' to believe in God are attacking JW's with there comments. Those people are unrighteous in their actions.
propagandatechniques - Doesn't it make sense that in the last days God would bring about an ORGANISED group of Christians to 'Preach the Good News of the Kingdom' the way that Jesus and his disciples (followers) did not in groups here and there believing in THIS Church, THIS Prophet and THIS Teacher???
No, it does not make sense. It's like telling me speaking in tongues is evidence of true believers, because true believers spoke in tongues.
I can use the same type argument too:
Show me where Jesus went door to door. He didn't.
This is what Jesus commanded:
(Luke 10:7)
" . . .So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not be transferring from house to house."
Ok, typical to take one scripture out of context. Why don't you try reading around the two sentences you conveniently picked? How will the apostles that Jesus sent by two's like how JW's go door-to-door "enter into a house" Luke 10:5 if they didn't go up to the door first so that they can enter if "a friend of piece is there"? Luke 10:6
Please read all my comments to you in this thread. There are about 6 of them.
This is a good question you asked. My suggestion is that you ask Jesus that very same question. "Jesus; how are we to go make friends of peace at peoples' homes if we are not to transfer from house to house?"
No it would not make sense to use an Organization because Israel, the only one he every arguably used, was an absolute and utter failure, as it spit out even his own son.
It also would not be fair and just to the people who are said to have perished at Gods hand on other occasions such as the flood. God told Noah he had been found deserving without warning and the rest were to perish. Jesus said that the flood came and swept them away, "because they never knew" what hit them.
it could make sense. but not anymore than he is reading hearts and finding faithful christians in all denominations and groups. If truth, cortrect bible understand at all times on doctrine is the test, they ALL fail, even, and especially, the watchtower. The have some thigs "right", and some things wrong. agreed? false datse of end of world, geberation , changes inall kinds of things, from what the anointed are, how many, who go where, heaven or earth, all nhave changed, thus were wrong
Unless I am mistaken I do not recall anywhere that Jesus uses his fathers name in prayer 2 him. And it would be kind of odd 2 do so, seeing the he is Jehovahs son. Your own daughter or son doesnt call you by your name, do they? They do use youre your familial title, Daddy or Father or Dad or in the USA, Pop, but never Alfred or Frederick or Samuel, for example, that would be strange. A step parent however may have his name used however. Are you trying to prove that he was NOT a son perhaps?
He's proving by your own admission that God is our father too and we pray to him the way Jesus instructed. OUR father. Jesus didn't say, "MY father. He included me and all those desiring to be in that relationship with God the Father to address Him as daddy.
EvidenceMinistries - No because a son or daughter addresses his/her Father as 'Dad' or 'Father' if they have any respect. I call my Father 'Dad' when I talk to him, I don't call him by his first name.
In the last days...men will be...blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers...having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power and from these turn away 2 Timothy 3:1
@EvidenceMinistries I guess Jesus didn`t call to Jehovah in prayer, because he used the term Father.....I didn`t call my father Joe (his name) I called him dad.
had it ever occured to You that devil is running the world behind the scenes? you see him everywhere, via media, the government, the catholic church, and the over all decline in moral values of humans throughout the years.
the name YHWH appears in the bible around 7000 times in the original text, later to be replaced with GOD.
everyone was a given a name. we even give our pets names.. why cant GOD , the sovereign lord of the universe have one.
@EvidenceMinistries yes he did, but church has had a "new" biple since the beginning of 20th century and they have removed the name. so that version of biple doesn't include the name, but the original did.
@darrenrustyp They dont want any accountability and to most peeps, Jesus is still a babe in a manger as we see when every Christmas season arrives. Most people have no knowledge of what Jesus is doing now or even care to have. Some do, but it's a minority these days. Society has become so irreligious and secular oriented.
Actually, a month later from the time you made this comment, I have prevented at least 25 people that I know of from becoming part of this secret society, and helped at least ten more out of it. How many have you recruited in the past month? =)
PEOPLE. Why believe propaganda? Anybody putting down any ONE particular religion or religious organisation when they claim to believe in God is unrighteous. And if they don't believe in God well then that is just plain religious intolerance.
We'll see who Christ spares at Armageddon as you dubs go out like locusts stinging all of God's enemies (Revelation Grand Climax, p. 146) and true Christians continue showing love to their enemies.
propagandatechniques - The passages about Locusts in revelation is speaking symbolically about renouncing that men are spiritually dead, not literally dying or dead or stung LOL!
Mt 23:13-15 Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in. 14 —— 15 Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen′na twice as much so as yourselves.
Contd Woe to YOU, blind guides. . . . .Fools and blind ones! . . . . .Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! ... full of plunder and immoderateness. 26 Blind Pharisee, . .YOU resemble whitewashed graves. . . . .full of dead mens bones and of every sort of uncleanness. . . . .Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen′na?
@SupremePenquinTone, the Almighty God chose to reveal His name i.e.His charater, presence, acts and deeds thru the Jewish people and most especially thru the manifestation of Mashiach Yeshua. In fact, the scriptures make it clear that the name of Yeshua is so vital that we are told that there is no other name by means of which it is necessary for us to be saved (Acts 4:12)
Wow, this must be a trick question for some folks but for the sake of knowledge and I hope, understanding, I will answer it for you, Jesus simply called God, Abba, Father. In my personnal study of the Word, I've not seen a scripture where Jesus called God, Jehovah. But I could be wrong of course.
This is a very very relevant question for JW's who are deciding on whether to take the red pill or the blue pill.....
Every JW knows that when their elders and others get on the platform to say their prayers at meetings, not only do they drone on about their leaders in Brooklyn, something Christ never did, but more importantly they use Jehober over and over and over again! It is sickening repetition without purpose. It is like talking to your friend and saying "Bill" every 4 or 5 words.
It would help you to understand how guilty NWT translators are of breaking that principle at Rev 22:18
You would do well to investigate that fact for yourself.
Here is a quote from the most respected Bible Scholar of the 20th Century, a scholar who is even recognized by the WT
"I have never read any New Testament so badly translated as The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Greek Scriptures.... it is a distortion of the New Testament" "obsolete and incorrect"
Okay despite the fact that you believe in so many things contrary to the Bible you're telling me that I use a bad copy. You clearly worship idols as in your picture of the cross, which I'm sure you also have in your home & chuch and have prayed to, even though the Bible tells us at Exodus 20:2-5 ; Deuteronomy 4:25, 26 ; 1 John 5:21 ; Acts 17:24, 25 & 29 and so on. That is just one of the examples of the Church not properly understanding the Bible. I suppose those are "bad" translations as well
Just a tad bit of using my common sense + a little research helped me to come to my conclusion. I believe you're a Christian, you have friends on your "Friends list" with crosses in their pics... I don't need pen & paper to work out 2+2.
"how guilty NWT translators are"
Sorry did you just say you didn't say bad translation?
This is just too funny....sorry for being off point but it has to be mentioned. The Cross and Crown symbol that dhamamy has as his avatar on YT is the same that CT Russell had emblazoned on all early Zions Watchtower magazines and books!!! How can you be so ignorant of your own churches history???!!!
Thanks for "Opening my eyes". Witnesses also used to smoke, until it was ruled out. Charles Russell also went under the title "Pastor Russell", which was also later ruled out. So it was only natural that while God was getting his work back under way it took time for people to shake off these devil made ideas.
Jah's name is important. Jah is most high. Jah is all powerful. Jah ruins: Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew number 1943: hovah a ruin, disaster Original Word: הֹוָה Transliteration: hovah Phonetic Spelling: (ho-vaw') Short Definition: mischief Word Origin from havah Definition a ruin, disaster NASB Word Usage disaster (3).
"Jehovah is an English reading of , the most frequent form of the Tetragrammaton (transliterated as YHWH), the principal and personal name of God ..."
Did you catch that? "English reading . . "
That's because Israel was established as a state in 1948 by the masonic UN, the same masonic structure that the WTS began from and that coined the term Jehovah in 1611 by masonic King James II.
So yes, Jah Hovah (The eternal one ruins) is God's NATIONAL name as of 1948.
DUH I know it's the English translation, and since we speak English, it's only logical that we pronounce it in OUR translation and not attempt to say it how Ancient Hebrews would have which is just pointless in 101 different ways.
By the way we were using "Jehovah" before 1948, and Jews don't even use God's name, which is why the church don't use it either.
Can a person renounce his allegiance to the Watchtower Society and not face punishment by shunning? If not, does a person stay in the religion out of a desire to please Yahweh or a fear of being punished by a mind controlling, totalitarian cult?
Yes, I intentionally redirected this conversation days ago after seeing you are not comprehending what I say regardless.
I'll ask it again: Can a person renounce his allegiance to the WTS and not face a penalty by shunning? If not, is a person staying in the religion based on a desire to please Yahweh, or is it out of fear of being punished by a mind controlling, totalitarian cult?
@propagandatechniques Yes you can leave, but you will ALWAYS be encouraged to come back. But if you don't then why would I (or anybody else) WANT to associate with somebody who has turned their back on the creator? How can I have friends who have turned their back on God?
Is the Watchtower Society your Creator? That's what I outwardly reject. Now, do you still wish to associate with me, considering you somehow equate the Watchtower Society to God? The fact is, if you could think on your own, you wouldn't need the Watchtower Society dictating to you who you can talk to and who you can't talk to. Imagine if a library began telling all its members to stop talking to you because you checked out a book from another library? Haha!! You'd probably go along with it.
@propagandatechniques What are you like? Trying to twist the persons words. You know who he was referring to but true to form you just like making people look like fools. I've been wondering if someone did that to you as a child and made you angry so now, you enjoy doing it to others to try and make them angry. A kind of neurotic revenge. God is not one to be mocked Craig, whatever a man is sowing this he will reap. And as an ex-elder of Jehovahs Witnesses, you should know that text by heart.
Exactly. "we don't worship Watchtower," but when the judicial committee begins, don't you dare record it. That's worse than blaspheming the watchtower god itself.
You mock me you mock God. I think you may be the dumbo for not remembering that one. James3:8-10 But the tongue, not one of mankind can get it tamed. An unruly injurious thing, it is full of death-dealing poison. With it we bless Jehovah, even [the] Father, and yet with it we curse men who have come into existence in the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth come forth blessing and cursing.
No and I never said Watchtower Society was my creator. You obviously don't know what part the Societ play within my faith. But nice attempt to twist my words.
The Watchtower Society do not dictate anything to me. They produce books and literature to help me learn.
Are you an apostate? You sound like a class A example of one.
You're a Watchtower Worshiper, plain and simple. If the WTS handlers told you to go jump off a bridge, you'd do it. You're a pied piper rat. Your brain has been hijacked and you're angry because I'm free. Well, let me laugh at you. Hahahahahaha! You big jay dubby! That's your choice. Chew your friggin leg off the way I did and you won't be jealous of me anymore. =) I'm king of the apostates! I'm chief apostate number 1 and friggin proud of it! =)
@paradiseregain Dont confuse fear of God with being afraid of a publishing company that "writes many tiresome books" and makes "grandiose claims"! There is no reason to be afraid of a false prophet just because you revere IT as a god.
Face it, with regards to all of these things that you dubby's argue about, that if Witchtower changed its position tomorrow, you would do so too. So dont confuse the fear of God with the fear of man.
I was referring to Craig, having no fear of Jehovah God himself and that goes for any apostate on here it seems, the brazenness is quite astounding but as I said, he & they stand on slippery ground. Yes, if the Watchtower changed its position I would do so too, oh yes! But it wont. I trust the brothers you see, and its been many years of a tried and tested faith I have so, that is where I come from. As for the Watchtower being a God? Err No. LOL. Thats just silly. Its like saying MacDs is one.
Is that the Fema death camps you are referring to or the camps that you in your dreams will be taking us all to, all 7 million plus of us? If it's the former to which you refer, they are probably reserved for us anyway. But then Jehovah will intervene as you know - it would be like they would be touching his eyeball. Ever poked yr eye? You know how much it hurts right? Surely you remember that?
Oh, I forgot about the eyeball thing. Yes, I remember Rutherford telling the dubs that back in the late 30s, just before Hitler started rounding them up and exterminating them for standing on streecorners praying for men to see. Yes, Jehovah reacted like getting touched in the eyeball. How many dead dubs later? Now, Rutherford will stand before Christ for his role in their deaths.
Tell me more how Jehovah will intervene. I'm enjoying what you're saying.
Yes, I fear God. I do not fear the Watchtower however. But, let me assure you, if you ever get hauled into a judicial committee meeting, you will learn what fear of man is all about - unless, of course, you break their rule and record them while they covertly frame you, before throwing you out of the congregation.
I'm sure your elders wouldn't do this - but can that be said for all congregations? youtube search "deconstructing judicial committee". We will be friends.
My elders are imperfect men and are the sweetest bunch with the biggest hearts I have ever known - all they are interested in is protecting us from unsavoury influences. Shame you didnt remain one. Your zeal as an apostate denotes your courage. But then the Apostle Paul had the same attitude and he sanctioned the killing of Stephen as you know because he thought he was right, but then Jesus spoke 2 him. There is still time to stop all this nonsense Craig. If you dont, I fear 4 you, U may slip.
I think you need 2 focus on talking 2 people who have been disfellowshipped and returned then ask them, what made them return. That might help you understand what fear of God really is. He says in Proverbs, I also, for my part, shall laugh at YOUR own disaster, I shall mock when what YOU dread comes, when what YOU dread comes just like a storm, and YOUR own disaster gets here just like a storm wind, when distress and hard times come upon YOU.
What made them return was a desire to see their families and friends again. It had nothing to do with fear of God. When you realize this, you will have gained great wisdom. =)
I voluntarily left. Do you know why? I decided that anybody that would judge me for not agreeing with their wizard of oz god wasn't my friend to begin with. =)
The Wizard of Oz god you so disparagingly speak of is Jehovah, blasphemer! And I know quite a few who have returned and its Jehovah that they miss, his protection, his spirit, the freedom of speech with him. If I was the last person on earth I would still have Jehovah, and its him who I serve not men. The Watchtower is his tool - you dont believe that, so go your way and teach other doctrines, to others and leave me be. Enough of you!
I'm sorry. I should've said, "wizard of watchtower god."
I was referring to the secret, cleverly hidden men who hide behind the curtain of the Watchtower Society. They call themselves 'slave." I call them buffoons. I am little Toto that pulled away the curtain. Now you see what they really are. After you come to terms with this facvt, i'll still be your friend.
As long as you are an apostate, and continue to speak ill of Jesus, Jehovah and his earthly organization, in your dreams, Craig only in yr dreams will I ever be a friend of yours!
Can you show me "earthly organization" in the bible please?
This ain't over yet. When the truth turns on in your head like a lightbulb in the middle of a meeting, you'll be begging me for forgiveness for your ill treatment and persecution of me. Remember those words. You're going to live it.
@propagandatechniques - Your issue, is that you dont accept that the anointed and faithful and discreet slave are taking care of Jehovahs belongings here on earth. I do. That's where we differ.
Correct. I also follow Jesus' words when it comes to ones professing to be anointed:
Mt 24:5 - "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
How do the "fruits of your tree" look? Do they exhibit what the Bible teaches?
If you have no respect for the faithful and discreet slave will you ever respect others who "take the lead among" us?
Hebrews 13:17 = Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.
The Moonies ask the same question of their members who defect. They claim Moon is the "helper" promised by Jesus. So, they ask; 'If you have no respect for the helper will you ever respect others who 'take the lead among' us?"
My answer to you is the same as my answer to the Moonies: "No."
But please, when the FDS tells you how blessed you'll be by selling your home and being their follower, be my guest. Don't let my words stop you. =)
Have you met a faithful and discreet slave? When you do, introduce that person to me. I will respect that person. I have no respect for self appointed men who hide behind a curtain of secrecy as to their identity, pulling your puppet strings. You don't respect them by your mere disobedience to their orders not to speak to apostates on the internet. At least I disrepect what I don't believe in. Your FDS strawgod is my fairy tale.
And in addition, did you forget that everyone will have to be judged by Jehovah individually? So, have you lost all faith in Jehovah's perfect sense of justice that you think he will let people who sincerely just want to serve him as they think best to be misled forever IF the faithful and discreet slave were lying?
As individuals, those who claim to be of the anointed, the same as us, have to answer to Jehovah at armageddon. So, if they are of the anointed or not that is between them.
Did you ever listen to Christ to begin with? Or, did a band of nitwits hijack your mind, causing you to believe you must be a mindless puppet under their control?
Turn to page 159 of the Revelation book. See the palm? That's the WTS' palm. See the sleeping face in the palm? That's you.
At that time they will keep calling me, but I shall not answer; they will keep looking for me, but they will not find me, for the reason that they hated knowledge, and the fear of Jehovah they did not choose. They did not consent to my counsel; they disrespected all my reproof. So they will eat from the fruitage of their way, and they will be glutted with their own counsels.
For the renegading of the inexperienced ones is what will kill them, and the easygoingness of the stupid is what will destroy them. As for the one listening to me, he will reside in security and be undisturbed from dread of calamity.- Thats taken from Proverbs 1:22-33. you would do well to heed it.
He is a SERIAL APOSTATE - an ex elder of 15 yrs I think whose plan is to bring down the Watchtower. LOL . Have a look at his channel - but BEWARE - he also uses subliminal images and techniques in his videos to control his followers and anyone who watches them so he can control them. He once said to me that he would shut my channel down on here, he is a bully. And yesterday he said cockily, "Unblock me from your channel" like he thinks I should. LOL BEWARE.
Okay simple answer for you once again.say your name is david, if your kid spoke to you using the name david, would that show respect? no. and it don't happen, so thats why jesus called him father.
If I may I would like to make another point. Luke 4:16-21 shows that Jesus read Isaiah 61:1,2. Now we all know that the King James bible has removed the the name of Jehovah over 6,000 times, only remaining 4 times. In the stroug's concordance of the the King James shows that all the places LORD all spelled in caps must be read Jehovah. So Jesus in the hebrews scriptures read YHWH Jehovah the name of His Father and our Father His God our God. John 20:17.
Well think of it like this. I have 5 sons none of them call me by my first name they say dad, father, or daddy, because of respect. Again it is clear when Jesus was praying to his Father john 17:6,11,26 he taught his disciples his Fathers name Jehovah.Look up Rev 19:1,3,4 all those in heaven use the name Jehovah Alleluia translated praise ye Jah (Jah Jehovah) page 10 reference #239 greek dictionary strong's exhaustive concordance of the K.J bible. Look it up.
since in the bible yhwh it could be any number of ways to pronounce it cause guess what there are no vowels! How do you know how to add the certain vowels to the name? You could be wrong and to base your whole religion on a guess is really stupid! If god wanted you to pronounce his name he would have put vowels in the bible! It makes JW really stupid so i cannot take anything they say seriously!
Many translators put in their own spin when translating the Bible and it has become popular not to use God's personal name, Jehovah (in English). We don't know the exact pronunciation of any of the names and places mentioned in the Bible, they have long been lost, so their reasoning is faulty. In many cases Jehovah's name is deleted because it makes it easier to explain the false teaching of the trinity. De-personalize God and put Jesus in his place. Sad, but true.
quite the opposite of what you say. We DO know the pronunciations of every name and places mentioned in the bible! There is no De-personalizing of God in order to explain trinity. One can learn the language of the bible it is called hebrew. It is alive and people in Israel and all over the world learn the bible in its original language and pronunciations. I have read the bible in hebrew and can assure you there is no vowels for God. It was always like that and you can make up any pronunciation
It is informal for a son to call his father by his first name. A loving son calls his father: Dad, Father, Pops and so forth. This is why you won't find Jesus calling his father by his name, Jehovah.
kay, well, in john 17 jesus is praying to jehovah God, if jesus was god, who would he be praying too? not him self cuz there wouldnt be anybody to answer his prayers
Sit down here while I go over there and pray. And taking along Peter and the two sons of Zeb′e·dee, he started to be grieved and to be sorely troubled. Then he said to them: My soul is deeply grieved, even to death. Stay here and keep on the watch with me. And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.
Matt 6:9 "After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."
If you are referring to Jesus using the name Jehovah, that name is English as did not come about until English translators.
And since Jehovah is Jesus' father, just like us, he would not call his father by his personal name. But as the prayer showed, sanctifying the name of his father was important or he would not have said "Hallowed be thy name."
do not put Jehovah thy God to the test. also do u call ur father bob or joe? No u say dad or father
luxedeluxepomade 4 months ago
In Matthew 6:9 says 'let your name be sanctified'
Wolfman98ful 5 months ago in playlist QQFJW (Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses)
True, the mere absence of the word Trinity does not prove a thing in relation to the correctness or incorrectness of the Trinity doctrine. The evidence against the Trinity should come straight from the scriptures.
MOREHARTH 5 months ago
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. However, if Jesus quoted either the LXX or the Hebrew at Matthew 4, then he would have used God's name. Besides, many of the Psalms were prayers where Jehovah is used numerous times according to both the Hebrew and the oldest LXX manusripts.
MOREHARTH 6 months ago in playlist QQFJW (Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses)
@MOREHARTH- You are correct. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I've been trying to get JWs to understand that for years. You know, like the fact that the Bible doesn't use the word "Trinity." If the Trinity isn't trues becasue the word isn't found in Scripture, then Jesus never addressed God in prayer as Jehovah. It is the same argument.
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MOREHARTH 6 months ago in playlist QQFJW (Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses)
In the Lords Prayer (Matt 6:9) it says "let your name be sanctified" God's name is YHWH aka JHVH aka Jehovah- this way it is prenouncible, so to sanctify it we must spread the word and teach about Jehovah, that is what the scripture means.
PhilPho1 7 months ago in playlist QQFJW (Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses)
@PhilPho1 have you ever looked at the definition of "sanctified"? It means sacred, holy, respect, and yes, even for sacred religious uses. I cannot find a single definition of sanctified that says to use it casually, or use to make a point, or use to prove you are right. I personally find the name too sacred to use in everyday conversations. I DO let His name be sanctified. I do let His name be sacred. I don't use it as an advertising tool.
Danmera 7 months ago
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
Jesus tells Satan that JEHOVAH ALONE is to be worshiped.....
He (Jesus Christ) is quoting scripture. As he did throughout this account with Satan.....
He is quoting (Deuteronomy 10:20) which, if you check your Bible, has the Tetragrammaton (YHWH/JHVH) Jehovah.....
Jesus declared Jehovah' Name always. (John 17:6)
letusreason42262 9 months ago
Are you implying that in the almost 7000 times that the Tetragrammaton appears as YHWH/JHVH, and represents Gods name, that the Bible is WRONG???
Are you implying that the Name in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, which clearly show Gods name to be YHWH/JHVH Yahawah or Jahovah, is incorrect?
Jehovah's Witness or not...... Do you deny that the Tetragrammaton is there some 7000 times and is Gods name which literally means "He causes to Become"???
Do you truly hold Scripture as the Authority?
david42262 10 months ago
@david42262 Jehovah is a bastardization of the original name. The Jews, the ones who came up with YHWH, have stated that Jehovah is about as far from the original as you can get.
But the greatest statement of yours, "Do you truly hold Scripture as the Authority?" is priceless. JW theology has very little to do with the Bible. As a born-in, I speak from experience. What the typical JW believes has everything to do with what the Governing Body currently teaches.
FreeAtLast1914 9 months ago
We are witnesses in a different sense, we follow in Jesus footsteps as he was a witness of his Father, teaching and preaching Jehovahs will. However we are witnesses of Jehovah because he is our heavenly father and we preach his will just as Jesus did.
AModernFloral 10 months ago
Jesus and god have the strongest father and son relationship ever in the history of the earth. Now, my relationship with my dad is absolutely nothing compared to that of theirs, and yet, I don't call my dad by his name. Then surely in the relationship between Jehovah and Jesus I'm not surprised Jesus calls him father, rather than by name.
so my question back would be: Why SHOULD Jesus have to call his father by name?
07713c 10 months ago
@07713c- Exactly my point. Why should ANY of us address God as Jehovah?
EvidenceMinistries 10 months ago
@EvidenceMinistries So we'd know if you're talking about Zeus or Jehovah
1Minute60Seconds 5 months ago
@1Minute60Seconds- Don't you think God already knows? If you understood <----- question, then you know who I am talking about too. ;-)
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dstoreuk 11 months ago
If you honestly have to introduce yourself, give your name and say u will call me by my name then u have some problems. Who does that, honestly? Jehovah made man in his image, He knows us inside and out, He knows every hair on our heads, If He really had to tell us His name and remind us "Oh yeah btw thats what you call me ok" Then he would have said that in the scriptures. Its not rocket science, If someone tells you there name they automatically assume thats what you are going to call them by
anava1987 11 months ago
Its not disrespectful to call your dad by his name, its just the way humans in general address their parents, when a son or daughter introduces their parent they dont say "this is my dad his name is dad" No, They say this is my dad his name is whatever it is. We get the idea to adress Jehovah by his name because he tells us to. Jehovah doesnt say my name is jehovah u will call me jehovah. When you introduce yourself you dont say hi my name is bill call me bill, u just assume they are going to
anava1987 11 months ago
All the times Jesus will say Jehovah's name he would also add in your God. But when when he would talk to him directly he would say father meaning he had respect for him. I wouldn't call my dad by his name that disrespectful. I call him dad.
silkyhands914 1 year ago
@silkyhands914- EXACTLY! If it is disrespectful to call you earthly father by his first name, where do you get the idea that we are to address God by His name? To know it is one thing. To call Him by it is another.
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dstoreuk 11 months ago
Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said to him: again it is said, you must not put Jehovah your god to the test." many bibles versions take out the name Jehovah and put in lord. Lord is just a title even Jesus was referred to as lord however Ezekiel 39: 7 says that Gods holy name will be known in the midst of people and that name is Jehovah (Look it up). I don't have to tell you how many times the name Jehovah come up in the bible even the name Jesus mean "Jehovah is salvation."
silkyhands914 1 year ago
@silkyhands914- This has nothing to do with my question. Please listen to the video again.
EvidenceMinistries 1 year ago
The word Jehovah isn't in the New Testament and they have no proof that it did exist in the NT, what they do have is some schoolar said that there could be the possibility, but possibilities are not facts, whats also interesting is the dead see scrolls do not have Jehovah as well.
tio11566 1 year ago
Where in scripture are we commanded to use ONLY the name YHWH? His Word testifies of Him, and it shows His name (Character). He showed Moses His name on the mount when Moses asked what was His name. Moses came down with His Law, which is His eternal Righteousness. The name Jehovah was not even penned until 1270 by a catholic monk. I prefer to use the name Jehovah because it's what I'm used to, but I won't create a man made doctrine from it. We Love Him because of His (Character) name.
AceInThePines 1 year ago
Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
AceInThePines 1 year ago
"that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.-John 5:23.
JWs, are you honoring the Son the same as the Father?
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me,...-John 8:42a.
sldeyo 1 year ago
He didn't use his first name he said Father, God in prayer! Much like if you were praying to or even speaking to your earthly father, would you say his name such as oh Tim, oh, Bob, dear Darrin, etc no of course not. It's Dad or pop or Father, NO?
How about all the times Jesus said Jehovah's name, how about that?
inscentof 1 year ago
Quick question to answer your question :)
Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?
Can you show me this in a contemporary bible?
Follow that lead and you will find the answer to your initial question.
SmalltimR 1 year ago
Witnesses of both Jehovah and Jesus. As faithful Jews, Jesus’ early disciples were already witnesses of Jehovah. (Isa. 43:10-12) But now they were to witness also concerning Jesus’ vital role in sanctifying Jehovah’s name by means of His Messianic Kingdom. Their thus bearing witness to Jesus was with Jehovah’s glory in view. (Rom. 16:25-27; Phil. 2:9-11) They testified that Jehovah had not lied, that after more than 4,000 years he had at last raised up the long-promised Messiah, or Christ!
Scripturesinspired 1 year ago
Do you call your father by his name or do you call him dad ? Out of Love childern usualy call their parents mom and dad, Jesus called him father,but he did say that he made his fathers name know to others.
JN 17:6 “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world...
JN17:26 And I have made your name known to them and will make it known...
Why did Jehovah God put his name in the bible over 6000 if he does not want people to use it? How is this logical
Scripturesinspired 1 year ago
My comments were a little unfair...as I wasn`t saying my own opinions, I was `quoting` a JW about prayer....not my own words.....I wanted to see the reaction....basically I was told if I wasn`t a JW then the devil is answering my prayers NOT God.
girlznguitarz 1 year ago
Jehovah only listens to JWs prayers, if you are not a JW but pray and get your prayers answered it is not God answering your prayers, it is the devil. Remember, the devil can turn himself into an angel of light.....be warned.
girlznguitarz 1 year ago
@girlznguitarz Jezzzz They really got you brainwashed. JWs really need to know who Jesus really is. JWs grossly dishonor Him simply by declaring that He's a created angel, a god, a Lord, or God's lil' kid. Unless you have Jesus, you don't have the Father. He doesn't know you, or hear your prayers, unless it's a sincere prayer of repentance. To know who Jesus really is you can start with (Rev.1:8). But use a real Bible. Not that doctored knock off NWT. That's worse than a porn novel.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
Jesus uses Jehovah's name several times in the scriptures when talking to other people about his father. In Matthew 23:39 Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for not accepting those sent in Jehovah's name. This shows that Jesus himself was sent in and recognized the importance of his father's name. When praying to his father, he was speaking to him as a son to a father. Would you use your father's name when speaking with him? Jesus showed respect for his father in this way.
RealBibleAnswers 1 year ago
Well, since we all should be footstep followers of Christ, you have to ask yourself of who & what was Jesus a witness of Rev 3:14?
inscentof 1 year ago
u r correct. Christ NEVER did. IM an EX JW and was shocked to realise this. If Christ didnt make it at least as important as the JW's, then what in the hell is the big deal?
sbgrox1 1 year ago
the new testament just used the word lord or god but the old testament uses jehovah,So are you questioning jws or the bible itself?More importantly are you trying to just stumble people or are you trying to find the answers here???If you have the answers then please make your vids less boring and tell all.personally i think you need to go away and grow up and learn more.
nosaj2001 1 year ago
U must have a bible that does not mention the name of Jehovah maybe it jus says the lord if noticed this in many translations, also Angels is sometimes replaced by Sons of God. try a bible in a diferent language other than english
incaguaya 1 year ago
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In the Scriptures, certain numbers have symbolic significance. The number seven, for example, is often used to symbolize that which is complete, or perfect, in God's eyes. Seven signifies divinely determined completeness. Revelation 1:4, 12, 16; 4:5; 5:1, 6; 10:3, 4.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness about God's name J-E-H-O-V-A-H 7 letters.
The number seven in the Bible is clearly not paganism or numerology.
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A fool will believe anything; smart people watch their step. (Proverbs 14:15, Todays English Version)
Yes, only a fool would go through life blindly accepting everything he hears, basing his decisions and actions on frivolous advice or baseless teachings.
NO ONE has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events. Problem is, there are several inaccurate translations.
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
It is a waste of time debating different subjects in the Bible with people that believe that Jesus is God. If you don't actually LISTEN to what Jesus said then your arguments are empty. If Jesus is God, then why would Satan tempt him??? NO ONE including Satan can tempt his creator!
Go away, Satan!...It is Jehovah your God YOU MUST WORSHIP, and it is to HIM ALONE you must render sacred service. Matthew 4:8-10
John 4: 21-24
John 14:28
John 20:17
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago 2
If you put down peoples religious beliefs regardless of whether you believe in God or not, then that is pure religious intolerance.
I don't put down anybody's religious beliefs but I will defend my beliefs by showing people truths from the Bible.
People on this site that 'claim' to be Christians or 'claim' to believe in God are attacking JW's with there comments. Those people are unrighteous in their actions.
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
Religious beliefs and forced adherence to bogus religious tenets are two different things.
You being here against your handler's intructions that you claim to support would make you a hypocrite, no?
"Come follow these men the way I don't."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
propagandatechniques - Doesn't it make sense that in the last days God would bring about an ORGANISED group of Christians to 'Preach the Good News of the Kingdom' the way that Jesus and his disciples (followers) did not in groups here and there believing in THIS Church, THIS Prophet and THIS Teacher???
Timothy 4:3, 4
1 Corinthians 1:10
Matthew 7:13, 14
darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
No, it does not make sense. It's like telling me speaking in tongues is evidence of true believers, because true believers spoke in tongues.
I can use the same type argument too:
Show me where Jesus went door to door. He didn't.
This is what Jesus commanded:
(Luke 10:7)
" . . .So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not be transferring from house to house."
Are Jehovah's witnesses listening?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Ok, typical to take one scripture out of context. Why don't you try reading around the two sentences you conveniently picked? How will the apostles that Jesus sent by two's like how JW's go door-to-door "enter into a house" Luke 10:5 if they didn't go up to the door first so that they can enter if "a friend of piece is there"? Luke 10:6
wchssexyangel05 1 year ago
@wchssexyangel05
Please read all my comments to you in this thread. There are about 6 of them.
This is a good question you asked. My suggestion is that you ask Jesus that very same question. "Jesus; how are we to go make friends of peace at peoples' homes if we are not to transfer from house to house?"
What do you think he'll tell you?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
No it would not make sense to use an Organization because Israel, the only one he every arguably used, was an absolute and utter failure, as it spit out even his own son.
It also would not be fair and just to the people who are said to have perished at Gods hand on other occasions such as the flood. God told Noah he had been found deserving without warning and the rest were to perish. Jesus said that the flood came and swept them away, "because they never knew" what hit them.
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
it could make sense. but not anymore than he is reading hearts and finding faithful christians in all denominations and groups. If truth, cortrect bible understand at all times on doctrine is the test, they ALL fail, even, and especially, the watchtower. The have some thigs "right", and some things wrong. agreed? false datse of end of world, geberation , changes inall kinds of things, from what the anointed are, how many, who go where, heaven or earth, all nhave changed, thus were wrong
sbgrox1 1 year ago
Unless I am mistaken I do not recall anywhere that Jesus uses his fathers name in prayer 2 him. And it would be kind of odd 2 do so, seeing the he is Jehovahs son. Your own daughter or son doesnt call you by your name, do they? They do use youre your familial title, Daddy or Father or Dad or in the USA, Pop, but never Alfred or Frederick or Samuel, for example, that would be strange. A step parent however may have his name used however. Are you trying to prove that he was NOT a son perhaps?
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
He's proving by your own admission that God is our father too and we pray to him the way Jesus instructed. OUR father. Jesus didn't say, "MY father. He included me and all those desiring to be in that relationship with God the Father to address Him as daddy.
Do you love Jesus paradiseregained?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
To your handlers:
Enoch XCVII: 8, 10. "Woe to you who acquire silver and gold in unrighteousness, and say:
'We have become rich with riches and have possessions,
And have acquired everything we have desired. . ."
10. Yea, and like water your lies shall flow away;
For your riches shall not abide,
But speedily ascend from you;
For ye have acquired it all in unrighteousness,
And ye shall be given over to a great curse.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Jesus said: It is Jehovah your God YOU MUST WORSHIP, and it is to HIM ALONE you must render sacred service. Matthew 4:10
So WHY are people worshipping Jesus??
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp Off topic. Please answer my question. Did Jesus ever address God as "Jehovah" in prayer?
EvidenceMinistries 1 year ago 2
EvidenceMinistries - No because a son or daughter addresses his/her Father as 'Dad' or 'Father' if they have any respect. I call my Father 'Dad' when I talk to him, I don't call him by his first name.
In the last days...men will be...blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers...having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power and from these turn away 2 Timothy 3:1
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@EvidenceMinistries
lol i can't believe that's your real hair!! hahaha
sexuallyawkward 1 year ago
@EvidenceMinistries I guess Jesus didn`t call to Jehovah in prayer, because he used the term Father.....I didn`t call my father Joe (his name) I called him dad.
girlznguitarz 1 year ago
@EvidenceMinistries go to plasms 83:18
had it ever occured to You that devil is running the world behind the scenes? you see him everywhere, via media, the government, the catholic church, and the over all decline in moral values of humans throughout the years.
the name YHWH appears in the bible around 7000 times in the original text, later to be replaced with GOD.
everyone was a given a name. we even give our pets names.. why cant GOD , the sovereign lord of the universe have one.
GYSProductionz 1 year ago
@EvidenceMinistries yes he did, but church has had a "new" biple since the beginning of 20th century and they have removed the name. so that version of biple doesn't include the name, but the original did.
1Minute60Seconds 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp They dont want any accountability and to most peeps, Jesus is still a babe in a manger as we see when every Christmas season arrives. Most people have no knowledge of what Jesus is doing now or even care to have. Some do, but it's a minority these days. Society has become so irreligious and secular oriented.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Why would you try to mislead people into believing Jesus is a babe in a manger? Are you on Qualudes?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
No, but I think you could be - thinking you can bring down Jehovah Gods organization here on earth. No one can touch it, least of all you.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Actually, a month later from the time you made this comment, I have prevented at least 25 people that I know of from becoming part of this secret society, and helped at least ten more out of it. How many have you recruited in the past month? =)
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paradiseregain 1 year ago
Insults don't win you points intelligent responses may. But with your agenda its doubtful.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
paradiseregain -True. The truth is right under your nose (the Bible) and at your door. NOT in some Church meeting (Churchianity).
darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
Right. Or a meeting in a kingdom hall.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
lol meetings are important but if you are not going TO THE PEOPLE then you are NOT practicing true Christianity.
darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
Oh, I'm going to the people alright. And I'm exposing false worship. I never had more return visits a month than I have now! =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
PEOPLE. Why believe propaganda? Anybody putting down any ONE particular religion or religious organisation when they claim to believe in God is unrighteous. And if they don't believe in God well then that is just plain religious intolerance.
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
Do you represent Jehovah's Witnesses?
"Anybody putting down any ONE particular religion or religious organization when they claim to believe in God is unrighteous."
Would you like me to start pasting quotes in here from your Watchtower handlers? Which religion would you like me to begin with?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Propagandatech - You are flogging a dead horse!
Jehovah knows those who belong to him, and: Let everyone naming the name of Jehovah renounce unrighteousness. - 2 Timothy 2:19
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
We'll see who Christ spares at Armageddon as you dubs go out like locusts stinging all of God's enemies (Revelation Grand Climax, p. 146) and true Christians continue showing love to their enemies.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
propagandatechniques - The passages about Locusts in revelation is speaking symbolically about renouncing that men are spiritually dead, not literally dying or dead or stung LOL!
darrenrustyp 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
That's not what your handlers printed in their propgaganda.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp Anybody?
Mt 23:13-15 Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in. 14 —— 15 Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen′na twice as much so as yourselves.
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
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Contd Woe to YOU, blind guides. . . . .Fools and blind ones! . . . . .Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! ... full of plunder and immoderateness. 26 Blind Pharisee, . .YOU resemble whitewashed graves. . . . .full of dead mens bones and of every sort of uncleanness. . . . .Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen′na?
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
@darrenrustyp
Look at my number of subscribers and how many views my videos get. Who's the one not going to the people?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@SupremePenquinTone, the Almighty God chose to reveal His name i.e.His charater, presence, acts and deeds thru the Jewish people and most especially thru the manifestation of Mashiach Yeshua. In fact, the scriptures make it clear that the name of Yeshua is so vital that we are told that there is no other name by means of which it is necessary for us to be saved (Acts 4:12)
TheHeavensDove 1 year ago
Uhmmm
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Wow, this must be a trick question for some folks but for the sake of knowledge and I hope, understanding, I will answer it for you, Jesus simply called God, Abba, Father. In my personnal study of the Word, I've not seen a scripture where Jesus called God, Jehovah. But I could be wrong of course.
TheHeavensDove 1 year ago
Even people who don't believe in the Bible recognize that the name used by the Hebrews for God is "Jehovah".
If you disagree then you're supporting Jewish myth and you're refuting what it says in Biblical scroll about 7,000 times.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
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darrenrustyp 1 year ago
This is a very very relevant question for JW's who are deciding on whether to take the red pill or the blue pill.....
Every JW knows that when their elders and others get on the platform to say their prayers at meetings, not only do they drone on about their leaders in Brooklyn, something Christ never did, but more importantly they use Jehober over and over and over again! It is sickening repetition without purpose. It is like talking to your friend and saying "Bill" every 4 or 5 words.
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
Why would Jesus refer to him as "Jehovah" when that was his father?
Do you address your father by his first name or do you say "dad" or "father"?
SupremePenguinTone 2 years ago
@SupremePenguinTone
No I do not and therefore I do not refer to my heavenly father by his personal name either.
Excellent question EvidenceMinistries
dhamamy 2 years ago
So God told us his name for fun?
He told us his name for a reason.
You think the original scrolls that people like Moses wrote put "Jehovah" in for fun? Or they could use it but we can't?
And who gave the Church authority to remove anything from the Bible?
Revelation 22:18
It helps to understand the Bible before speaking on it.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@penguin
It would help you to understand how guilty NWT translators are of breaking that principle at Rev 22:18
You would do well to investigate that fact for yourself.
Here is a quote from the most respected Bible Scholar of the 20th Century, a scholar who is even recognized by the WT
"I have never read any New Testament so badly translated as The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Greek Scriptures.... it is a distortion of the New Testament" "obsolete and incorrect"
J.R. Mantey
dhamamy 1 year ago
Okay despite the fact that you believe in so many things contrary to the Bible you're telling me that I use a bad copy. You clearly worship idols as in your picture of the cross, which I'm sure you also have in your home & chuch and have prayed to, even though the Bible tells us at Exodus 20:2-5 ; Deuteronomy 4:25, 26 ; 1 John 5:21 ; Acts 17:24, 25 & 29 and so on. That is just one of the examples of the Church not properly understanding the Bible. I suppose those are "bad" translations as well
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone
You claim to know a lot about my beliefs. I do not think we have ever talked. Are you somehow psychic?
I do not say it is a bad translation, just about every reputable scholar says that for me.
Since you are having such a difficult time with Google I will send you a link.
By all means please continue with your in depth research,(Eyes Rolling)
or recline back into your blatant ignorance. Whatever you think is best.
dhamamy 1 year ago
Just a tad bit of using my common sense + a little research helped me to come to my conclusion. I believe you're a Christian, you have friends on your "Friends list" with crosses in their pics... I don't need pen & paper to work out 2+2.
"how guilty NWT translators are"
Sorry did you just say you didn't say bad translation?
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone
This is just too funny....sorry for being off point but it has to be mentioned. The Cross and Crown symbol that dhamamy has as his avatar on YT is the same that CT Russell had emblazoned on all early Zions Watchtower magazines and books!!! How can you be so ignorant of your own churches history???!!!
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
GOLLY GEE WILLACKERS I DIDN'T KNOW THAT?!?!?!?!
WOAHHH
Thanks for "Opening my eyes". Witnesses also used to smoke, until it was ruled out. Charles Russell also went under the title "Pastor Russell", which was also later ruled out. So it was only natural that while God was getting his work back under way it took time for people to shake off these devil made ideas.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
though yes?
Oh and I've never heard of that guy you named, I didn't even find anything on him on google. You sure this guy even exists? LOL
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
HUH?
Do a Google translate on "Jehovah" from Hebrew to English and look what pops up.
Other than that, come correct next time bud.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone
"Jehovah is an English reading of , the most frequent form of the Tetragrammaton (transliterated as YHWH), the principal and personal name of God ..."
Did you catch that? "English reading . . "
That's because Israel was established as a state in 1948 by the masonic UN, the same masonic structure that the WTS began from and that coined the term Jehovah in 1611 by masonic King James II.
So yes, Jah Hovah (The eternal one ruins) is God's NATIONAL name as of 1948.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Haha but I never said it WASN'T English!
DUH I know it's the English translation, and since we speak English, it's only logical that we pronounce it in OUR translation and not attempt to say it how Ancient Hebrews would have which is just pointless in 101 different ways.
By the way we were using "Jehovah" before 1948, and Jews don't even use God's name, which is why the church don't use it either.
Look at the video on my page about it.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone
I clearly stated the year 1611 in my last post.
Can a person renounce his allegiance to the Watchtower Society and not face punishment by shunning? If not, does a person stay in the religion out of a desire to please Yahweh or a fear of being punished by a mind controlling, totalitarian cult?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Huh? I'm totally lost now...
You've skipped from topic to topic.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
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propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Oh yes, Now I see what you're referring to.
Yes, I intentionally redirected this conversation days ago after seeing you are not comprehending what I say regardless.
I'll ask it again: Can a person renounce his allegiance to the WTS and not face a penalty by shunning? If not, is a person staying in the religion based on a desire to please Yahweh, or is it out of fear of being punished by a mind controlling, totalitarian cult?
The question is rather quite simple to answer.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques Yes you can leave, but you will ALWAYS be encouraged to come back. But if you don't then why would I (or anybody else) WANT to associate with somebody who has turned their back on the creator? How can I have friends who have turned their back on God?
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Is the Watchtower Society your Creator? That's what I outwardly reject. Now, do you still wish to associate with me, considering you somehow equate the Watchtower Society to God? The fact is, if you could think on your own, you wouldn't need the Watchtower Society dictating to you who you can talk to and who you can't talk to. Imagine if a library began telling all its members to stop talking to you because you checked out a book from another library? Haha!! You'd probably go along with it.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques What are you like? Trying to twist the persons words. You know who he was referring to but true to form you just like making people look like fools. I've been wondering if someone did that to you as a child and made you angry so now, you enjoy doing it to others to try and make them angry. A kind of neurotic revenge. God is not one to be mocked Craig, whatever a man is sowing this he will reap. And as an ex-elder of Jehovahs Witnesses, you should know that text by heart.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Listen jay dubby, I'm not mocking God. I'm mocking you. Understand? =)
Go get yourself a voice recorder and state emphatically into it: "I'm a dub ass!" =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques
But dont use the voice recorder in the judicial committee meeting.....that would be wrong.....right propergander?
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
@Frankgerretti
Exactly. "we don't worship Watchtower," but when the judicial committee begins, don't you dare record it. That's worse than blaspheming the watchtower god itself.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
You mock me you mock God. I think you may be the dumbo for not remembering that one. James3:8-10 But the tongue, not one of mankind can get it tamed. An unruly injurious thing, it is full of death-dealing poison. With it we bless Jehovah, even [the] Father, and yet with it we curse men who have come into existence in the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth come forth blessing and cursing.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
No and I never said Watchtower Society was my creator. You obviously don't know what part the Societ play within my faith. But nice attempt to twist my words.
The Watchtower Society do not dictate anything to me. They produce books and literature to help me learn.
Are you an apostate? You sound like a class A example of one.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone
You're a Watchtower Worshiper, plain and simple. If the WTS handlers told you to go jump off a bridge, you'd do it. You're a pied piper rat. Your brain has been hijacked and you're angry because I'm free. Well, let me laugh at you. Hahahahahaha! You big jay dubby! That's your choice. Chew your friggin leg off the way I did and you won't be jealous of me anymore. =) I'm king of the apostates! I'm chief apostate number 1 and friggin proud of it! =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
You have no fear of God, do you?
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain Dont confuse fear of God with being afraid of a publishing company that "writes many tiresome books" and makes "grandiose claims"! There is no reason to be afraid of a false prophet just because you revere IT as a god.
Face it, with regards to all of these things that you dubby's argue about, that if Witchtower changed its position tomorrow, you would do so too. So dont confuse the fear of God with the fear of man.
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
I was referring to Craig, having no fear of Jehovah God himself and that goes for any apostate on here it seems, the brazenness is quite astounding but as I said, he & they stand on slippery ground. Yes, if the Watchtower changed its position I would do so too, oh yes! But it wont. I trust the brothers you see, and its been many years of a tried and tested faith I have so, that is where I come from. As for the Watchtower being a God? Err No. LOL. Thats just silly. Its like saying MacDs is one.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Yes, if the WTS changed it's position, you would too. I understand. If they tell you to go to the death camps, you'll willingly comply.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Is that the Fema death camps you are referring to or the camps that you in your dreams will be taking us all to, all 7 million plus of us? If it's the former to which you refer, they are probably reserved for us anyway. But then Jehovah will intervene as you know - it would be like they would be touching his eyeball. Ever poked yr eye? You know how much it hurts right? Surely you remember that?
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Oh, I forgot about the eyeball thing. Yes, I remember Rutherford telling the dubs that back in the late 30s, just before Hitler started rounding them up and exterminating them for standing on streecorners praying for men to see. Yes, Jehovah reacted like getting touched in the eyeball. How many dead dubs later? Now, Rutherford will stand before Christ for his role in their deaths.
Tell me more how Jehovah will intervene. I'm enjoying what you're saying.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@Frankgerretti
Thank you. Next, paradiseregain will be accusing us of being the same person. =)
But thanks just the same.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Yes, I fear God. I do not fear the Watchtower however. But, let me assure you, if you ever get hauled into a judicial committee meeting, you will learn what fear of man is all about - unless, of course, you break their rule and record them while they covertly frame you, before throwing you out of the congregation.
I'm sure your elders wouldn't do this - but can that be said for all congregations? youtube search "deconstructing judicial committee". We will be friends.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
My elders are imperfect men and are the sweetest bunch with the biggest hearts I have ever known - all they are interested in is protecting us from unsavoury influences. Shame you didnt remain one. Your zeal as an apostate denotes your courage. But then the Apostle Paul had the same attitude and he sanctioned the killing of Stephen as you know because he thought he was right, but then Jesus spoke 2 him. There is still time to stop all this nonsense Craig. If you dont, I fear 4 you, U may slip.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
I think you need 2 focus on talking 2 people who have been disfellowshipped and returned then ask them, what made them return. That might help you understand what fear of God really is. He says in Proverbs, I also, for my part, shall laugh at YOUR own disaster, I shall mock when what YOU dread comes, when what YOU dread comes just like a storm, and YOUR own disaster gets here just like a storm wind, when distress and hard times come upon YOU.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
What made them return was a desire to see their families and friends again. It had nothing to do with fear of God. When you realize this, you will have gained great wisdom. =)
I voluntarily left. Do you know why? I decided that anybody that would judge me for not agreeing with their wizard of oz god wasn't my friend to begin with. =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
The Wizard of Oz god you so disparagingly speak of is Jehovah, blasphemer! And I know quite a few who have returned and its Jehovah that they miss, his protection, his spirit, the freedom of speech with him. If I was the last person on earth I would still have Jehovah, and its him who I serve not men. The Watchtower is his tool - you dont believe that, so go your way and teach other doctrines, to others and leave me be. Enough of you!
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
I'm sorry. I should've said, "wizard of watchtower god."
I was referring to the secret, cleverly hidden men who hide behind the curtain of the Watchtower Society. They call themselves 'slave." I call them buffoons. I am little Toto that pulled away the curtain. Now you see what they really are. After you come to terms with this facvt, i'll still be your friend.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
As long as you are an apostate, and continue to speak ill of Jesus, Jehovah and his earthly organization, in your dreams, Craig only in yr dreams will I ever be a friend of yours!
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Can you show me "earthly organization" in the bible please?
This ain't over yet. When the truth turns on in your head like a lightbulb in the middle of a meeting, you'll be begging me for forgiveness for your ill treatment and persecution of me. Remember those words. You're going to live it.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques - Your issue, is that you dont accept that the anointed and faithful and discreet slave are taking care of Jehovahs belongings here on earth. I do. That's where we differ.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
Correct. I also follow Jesus' words when it comes to ones professing to be anointed:
Mt 24:5 - "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
Do you love Jesus paradiseregain?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
How do the "fruits of your tree" look? Do they exhibit what the Bible teaches?
If you have no respect for the faithful and discreet slave will you ever respect others who "take the lead among" us?
Hebrews 13:17 = Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.
wchssexyangel05 1 year ago
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The Moonies ask the same question of their members who defect. They claim Moon is the "helper" promised by Jesus. So, they ask; 'If you have no respect for the helper will you ever respect others who 'take the lead among' us?"
My answer to you is the same as my answer to the Moonies: "No."
But please, when the FDS tells you how blessed you'll be by selling your home and being their follower, be my guest. Don't let my words stop you. =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@wchssexyangel05
Have you met a faithful and discreet slave? When you do, introduce that person to me. I will respect that person. I have no respect for self appointed men who hide behind a curtain of secrecy as to their identity, pulling your puppet strings. You don't respect them by your mere disobedience to their orders not to speak to apostates on the internet. At least I disrepect what I don't believe in. Your FDS strawgod is my fairy tale.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
And in addition, did you forget that everyone will have to be judged by Jehovah individually? So, have you lost all faith in Jehovah's perfect sense of justice that you think he will let people who sincerely just want to serve him as they think best to be misled forever IF the faithful and discreet slave were lying?
As individuals, those who claim to be of the anointed, the same as us, have to answer to Jehovah at armageddon. So, if they are of the anointed or not that is between them.
wchssexyangel05 1 year ago
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propagandatechniques 1 year ago
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@wchssexyangel05
It has to do with obedience to Christ.
Luke 21:8
"Do not go after them."
Did you ever listen to Christ to begin with? Or, did a band of nitwits hijack your mind, causing you to believe you must be a mindless puppet under their control?
Turn to page 159 of the Revelation book. See the palm? That's the WTS' palm. See the sleeping face in the palm? That's you.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@wchssexyangel05
What would your FDS think of your YouTube handle? Don't get me wrong I kinda like it.
dhamamy 1 year ago
@paradiseregain .....and that delusion in the face of the evidence to the contrary, along with a nickle, will get you five cents.....
Frankgerretti 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
I disagree with who you "accept" as the FDS - accept being the key word.
Show me someone who is the FDS and I'll resepct that individual.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@paradiseregain
You got a video with your name on it now. Be proud.
watch?v=bigC2OUs2ac
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
At that time they will keep calling me, but I shall not answer; they will keep looking for me, but they will not find me, for the reason that they hated knowledge, and the fear of Jehovah they did not choose. They did not consent to my counsel; they disrespected all my reproof. So they will eat from the fruitage of their way, and they will be glutted with their own counsels.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
For the renegading of the inexperienced ones is what will kill them, and the easygoingness of the stupid is what will destroy them. As for the one listening to me, he will reside in security and be undisturbed from dread of calamity.- Thats taken from Proverbs 1:22-33. you would do well to heed it.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
He is a SERIAL APOSTATE - an ex elder of 15 yrs I think whose plan is to bring down the Watchtower. LOL . Have a look at his channel - but BEWARE - he also uses subliminal images and techniques in his videos to control his followers and anyone who watches them so he can control them. He once said to me that he would shut my channel down on here, he is a bully. And yesterday he said cockily, "Unblock me from your channel" like he thinks I should. LOL BEWARE.
paradiseregain 1 year ago
LOL!!!
I knew it. Jeez they're so easy to spot. I wonder how many conventions he's attended with Anti-JW signs.
How do you know he's an ex elder though?
And what do you mean by subliminal images to control your mind?
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Okay simple answer for you once again.say your name is david, if your kid spoke to you using the name david, would that show respect? no. and it don't happen, so thats why jesus called him father.
tomroxbola 2 years ago
Who is 'everlasting father'? Jehova or Jesus?
better7wisdom 2 years ago
If I may I would like to make another point. Luke 4:16-21 shows that Jesus read Isaiah 61:1,2. Now we all know that the King James bible has removed the the name of Jehovah over 6,000 times, only remaining 4 times. In the stroug's concordance of the the King James shows that all the places LORD all spelled in caps must be read Jehovah. So Jesus in the hebrews scriptures read YHWH Jehovah the name of His Father and our Father His God our God. John 20:17.
ironbearJudo 2 years ago
Well think of it like this. I have 5 sons none of them call me by my first name they say dad, father, or daddy, because of respect. Again it is clear when Jesus was praying to his Father john 17:6,11,26 he taught his disciples his Fathers name Jehovah.Look up Rev 19:1,3,4 all those in heaven use the name Jehovah Alleluia translated praise ye Jah (Jah Jehovah) page 10 reference #239 greek dictionary strong's exhaustive concordance of the K.J bible. Look it up.
ironbearJudo 2 years ago
he says Father.
RubyLee333 2 years ago
jehovah is the translation from the hebrew yahweh. look it up
mastrlx 2 years ago
since in the bible yhwh it could be any number of ways to pronounce it cause guess what there are no vowels! How do you know how to add the certain vowels to the name? You could be wrong and to base your whole religion on a guess is really stupid! If god wanted you to pronounce his name he would have put vowels in the bible! It makes JW really stupid so i cannot take anything they say seriously!
cherkas009 2 years ago
Many translators put in their own spin when translating the Bible and it has become popular not to use God's personal name, Jehovah (in English). We don't know the exact pronunciation of any of the names and places mentioned in the Bible, they have long been lost, so their reasoning is faulty. In many cases Jehovah's name is deleted because it makes it easier to explain the false teaching of the trinity. De-personalize God and put Jesus in his place. Sad, but true.
It is the english trans
mastrlx 2 years ago
quite the opposite of what you say. We DO know the pronunciations of every name and places mentioned in the bible! There is no De-personalizing of God in order to explain trinity. One can learn the language of the bible it is called hebrew. It is alive and people in Israel and all over the world learn the bible in its original language and pronunciations. I have read the bible in hebrew and can assure you there is no vowels for God. It was always like that and you can make up any pronunciation
cherkas009 2 years ago
It is informal for a son to call his father by his first name. A loving son calls his father: Dad, Father, Pops and so forth. This is why you won't find Jesus calling his father by his name, Jehovah.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
still no one knows gods real name so he would not have called god jehova thats not his real name...
cherkas009 2 years ago
@cherkas009 His name in hebrew is YHWH pronounced Yahweh. Its in the bible, its one of the most common words in the bible I believe.
p.s The reason we call him by his name is because it is respectful to use his given name. You dont say "oh hi you"
eskimodrummer123 2 years ago 2
kay, well, in john 17 jesus is praying to jehovah God, if jesus was god, who would he be praying too? not him self cuz there wouldnt be anybody to answer his prayers
johnsta13 2 years ago 4
if you just wanted to find jehovahs name in the bible you can use your king james version and find his name in palms 83:18
looniandburke 2 years ago
Matthew 26: 36-39
Sit down here while I go over there and pray. And taking along Peter and the two sons of Zeb′e·dee, he started to be grieved and to be sorely troubled. Then he said to them: My soul is deeply grieved, even to death. Stay here and keep on the watch with me. And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.
misshappygills 2 years ago
Matt 6:9 "After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."
If you are referring to Jesus using the name Jehovah, that name is English as did not come about until English translators.
And since Jehovah is Jesus' father, just like us, he would not call his father by his personal name. But as the prayer showed, sanctifying the name of his father was important or he would not have said "Hallowed be thy name."
sklemetti 2 years ago
as much as I usualy disagree with you sklwmetti this is one area I have to agree with you on.
no4go2 2 years ago
You should agree with me on everything since I am right.
Talent granted to me by God.
sklemetti 2 years ago
I did not grant you that talent.
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TheTruthUnderTheHood 2 years ago
I doubt they'd be able to because it would make no sense for Jesus to address Himself in prayer.
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