Kung fu will never work in MMA because most of the moves are designed to either paralyse or kill an opponent so they are obviously illegal to use in the octagon. And the moves that are legal are very limited. A kung fu practitioner will get his ass shead to ribbons against a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or muay thai fighter in MMA. But it is pretty good on the street if you are highly skilled and deceptive.
just because you dont even understand the busaic fandamentals of something, doesnt mean you should laugh when people try to correct you.
Kung Fu, wasnt made for fighting, it was a way of keeping fit, and these excercises being trained and perfected over time are focused on the least amount of energy. its their for philosophy, and spiritual as well. But kung fu has no set ways, everybody's kung fu style is different, and encourage you to learn other styles to create your own.
I haven't seen this guy fight but if he actually applies the wing chun sort of kicks and trapping hands I am very happy to see new techniques in mma. But I suspect he is just a very strong highly athletic guy who could basterdise any system into working semi effectively in mma like the old Gary Goodridge. But please prove me wrong.
Traditional Chinese Kung Fu will be applied in the MMA. Yeah I do have to admit that Chinese martial arts does not "appear"to be applicable at the level of the MMA but I guarantee you that it will be used in the MMA within three to five years. Everybody will be jumping on the Kung Fu train when it happens. That the belt will be hard to take away from that person.
@Longfistbxr It's already starting to happen. Cung Le has been rising to the top with Sanda, which is just the practical application of the mainstream Wushu style.
Sammi Berik is giving a fairly good representation of Taiji, as well.
I would like to see some Hung Gar, Changquan and Meihuazhuang appear in MMA eventually, but as it stands, I know very few participants in those styles who are interested in MMA at all.
chinese nat kungfu team all ko'd in first round by the thai nat team, 10 yrs later the chinese are kicking with their shins, checking kicks with their shins and fighting in the clinch w/knees- calling it sanda sanshou. if you can not connect the dots there, have to ask: what the fuck are you on ?
Joe Rogan is just a commentor who got the position to try to bring the mainstream to the UFC at the begining. Let's not make Joe more then what he is. He is not an authority on MMA.
@daytonafreakboy i betyou thnink alllkungfu is eye striking scratch your back movie shit..butlike most idiot mma fighter you dont do your research their is many type of kungfu one is base of animal one is for street fight one can be use in sport one promotes health and a bit of self defence have you seen sanda? it like muaythai with les elbow and more grappling im not saying muaythai is in effctive im saying saying kungfu cant match is ignorant and no research
@asian714cali sanda / sanshou is a rip off of muay thai. only developed by chinese in decades following thai national team defeating chinese nat. team in 1979. show me kungfu player who is success in mma, or western boxing without clinching/knees and kicking/checking with shins. just give credit to the thai
@daytonafreakboy so the thai fighters were the first to clinch or knee or kick??what the fuck are you on about and where the hell do you get your information from..
there is only a certain amount of ways a human body can throw a punch kick or grab,everything is the same!!
pankration punched kicked and grabbed and much more im sure and it was in the Olympics in 648 BC so did muay thai rip off pankration??
@daytonafreakboy San Shou is just the practical application of what traditional Kung Fu survived the post-Boxer Rebellion crackdowns and later Mao's regime.
Punches, kicks, clinches, elbows and knees are some very basic strikes, and shins have always been a major target of kicks. Punch high, and kick mid/low is just basic fighting.
Muay Boran/Muay Thai is just a name for a collection of forms, techniques, and application theory. Not some revolutionary invention.
@ZomBLord then it is very strange how those techniques only surfaced in "kung fu" in the decade after the chinese team were all ko'd by the Thai team.
muay thai is pure combat based practice. has been used combat for over 900 yrs.
@daytonafreakboy (1) Those techniques can also be found in some of those old Kung Fu forms people think are useless. Did you think the Thai boxers were the first and only people ever to kick people in the shins and knee them in the face? People do that instinctively without any martial arts training.
(2) Well hooray for Muay Thai. That's why it's such an effective and beautiful striking art. But that doesn't make it the end-all-be-all for Striking MAs.
@ZomBLord strange how the chinese waited to start kicking with their shins until AFTER they were defeated by the Thais. you talk about forms?? that is a laugh.. if it has always been 'kungfu' why havent the chinese been kicking with their shins and fighting in the clinch with knees for the last 900 years like the Thais? the chinese claim to have invented everything from hula hoops to goddamn cheeseburgersand elvis. chinese rip off muay thai and call it kungfu - where is their honor?
@daytonafreakboy You've used the same point three times, and you're only response to my argument is "that's a laugh".
I'm starting to get the feeling you don't really want to debate this, you just want someone to tell you you're right. Why? Do you feel insecure enough about your argument that you need that kind of security?
@daytonafreakboy In answer to your point though, Kung Fu hasn't really been used as a major kickboxing sport until the implementation of Sanda. Before then, Kung Fu practitioners fought in point sparring and continuous matches where kicking below the waist was illegal. So competitive Kung Fu schools stopped teaching about anything below the waist. But the techniques were all there, just as chamber-snap low kicks, rather than a Muay Thai-style hooked swinging low kick.
@daytonafreakboy fyi even that tiger claw shit work but there are real one and fake one and then there are bad one and goood one it depend on who teach and whter it is old school or new school or whetr it water down"soften up" or harden up
kung fu is a very general term. some styles of kung fu were actually used to fight the wars in chinas thousands of years of history. some are just a fitness regime thats the eastern equivalent of a white man going on a daily jog. the more deadly techniques in kung fu were banned and the masters were either jailed or killed during the revolution. some just disappeared as time flowed because the world is becoming more civilized and killing techniques were not needed
@dynastyflygon How do you know for sure that martial arts was used in wars? It's very possible these stories are legends and myths to exult a particular martial art. I doubt that unarmed hand to hand combat was used often on battlefields. All wars are fought with weapons which means this is the most important type of training for soldiers that want to win. Before firearms were invented, wars were fought and won with spears, swords, knives, clubs, shields, and bow & arrow.
have you ever studied chinese history? Sure there is that 0.0000001% that the wars never existed but why bother even saying that when faced with overwhelming evidence
and did u even read my comment
kung fu is a very general term
its not just hand and hand combat
what ignorance
most styles of kung fu incorporate weapons, whether its for fitness or meant for actual combat
for your last statement, once again, kung fu includes weapons -_-
@dynastyflygon The vast majority of martial arts as they are presented today are nothing more than dance and performance art forms. You can take a boxer or mma guy with 6 months of experience and he will beat most of your so-called Kung Fu masters and experts. The exceptions are San Shou and Shuai jiao because they train with a sense of realism and practice realistic sparring.
@dynastyflygon I have seen the weapons forms of many Kung Fu styles and they leave a lot to be desired. Kung Fu weaponry looks flowery, overly artistic, and unrealistic. On the hand, Japanese swordsmanship and more so Arnis (Filipino style that i have studied for many years) are realistic weapons styles that have been proven effective in combative situations.
I`ve watched every MMA (which is a sport first, then a method of self-defence second) fight I can since the nineties. I`m not a fighter but it seems to me that styles generally go out the window inside the Octagon. In a street fight the person with the most skill or best style is not always the victor either. In both it often comes down to other factors like warrior/gladiator attitude, cardio, gameplan, luck, and forcing opponent to fight into your strength.
MMA is a SPORT, it has evolved as a SPORT! If it were real say fights to the death it would have evolved very very differently e.g. people wouldn't rely mainly on shitty Muay Thai (worst style in the world to keep people away from you or taking you down), and after losing an eye or nose or ear ripped off would not be so keen to go to the ground. Joe Rogan is a Monster Turd trying to act tough - I'll pay for him to go to Emin Boztepe seminar & tell him Wing Tsun is crap or he can't fight.
@CloudsBeyond muay thai isn't shitty, push kicks keep people away and it's not hard to sprawl, then deliver knees. joe rogan is a beast, he doesn't have to "act tough" and he's not talking shit, there's just things that do and don't work in mma. every style has it's strengths, weaknesses and effectiveness in certain situations. stop talking shit on youtube and get a life.
kung fu really isn't good for mma in my opinion. wild windmills < parries, wedges and bob n' weaves. machida has success with karate though, so it could be effective if supplemented with some kickboxing techniques.
@reptile202 I don't put sanshou kickboxing in the category of classical martial arts. Call it or label it whatever you want, but Cung Le's fighting is kickboxing + takedowns, which is mma. When he trains, he's not spending his time doing dead forms by himself, or a cooperating training partner (which is common in traditional martial arts; ie, you do this to me, then I do this to you). Cung Le spars with people who want to make him fail.
@neometalx9 Sanshou/sanda is a martial art which was originally developed by the Chinese military based upon the study and practices of traditional Kung Fu.
it is kung fu, that flaily snake shit is for movies
@Sankalpalearningzone glad u wikied that, anyways kung fu doesnt mean just one style, its everything, but what most people think about it is the shit u see in movies that doesnt really work in real life..
@neometalx9 wiki has a much cleaner explanation than i would have=).. yeah there are alot of styles in kung fu but they are mostly the same concepts with some different inspiration or from a different region, as i said there is only so many ways a human can kick or punch before they all start resembling each other. the movies and some bad practioners have gave kung fu a terrible name.. i would love to see it gain the notoriety it had back.
@Sankalpalearningzone yes and also most kungfu today are soften up till it is render useless it almost like some karate you see in usa which does nothing exepct the good karate dojo that make it useful like the machida train from but anywa not all kungfu are meant for fighhting some aremeant to promote health like taichi more then fighting but can be use for fighting especially on the street nopt alll are meant for cage
@Sankalpalearningzone yes but someof that snake shit iss actually use in reallife lol shaolin kungfu use many animal form but the way the use stillhave old school training and it is effective but if you use in mma you it willl have to be limited because it use many illegal move as well but in term of training shaolin kungfu is very real they literally do traing in getting hit in the sack and withstanding it sound crazy but it endurance or breaking wall
@Sankalpalearningzone but the there is alot of movie bullshit to where guy does the snake thing incorrectly with teh stupid eye poking shit whatever that is
@ZomBLord i know that, tell that to joe rogan and most of the people who think kung fu is only forms... but of course if u going to put someone who only train like that and have no combat or sparring experience, that person is going to get owned...
Kung fu = outdated, dungeon and dragons fantasy. Everything in wing chun can be done in mma (no rules against pak sao, lop sao, chi sau). It's not in MMA because it's useless. Stop parroting your sifu or guru--and test it yourself on the ring by sparring competitors in mma, boxing, kickboxing. If you dont' do that, you're just a puppet of useless tradition and fantasy.
@alexandraamihan It's inaccurate to say kung fu sucks in general. There's actually two sports fighters known for using kung fu; one is Cung Le. Look at some of the crazy kicks he pull off.
This kung fu shit does not work in any kind of fight, people just get scammed into learning it and then get mad when people tell them what a waste of time and moeny it was.
@andrew31593 if we're going to call it kung fu it should be able to be used for fighting, probably everything you've ever seen I would never in a million years call kung fu
@BuddangaLaw You won't find any succesful MMA fighter from a wing chun background, wrestling on the other hand has jon jones, brock lesnar, mat hamill, quinton jackson and so on. The difference is it actually has useful applicatin in a real fight.
@andrew31593 That's indeed true but that is 'MMA' Pro fighting .
The pro world isn't the only world there are many people outside that can 'probably' kill a MMA fighter with Wing Chun. But lets stop with these debats.
@BuddangaLaw You want to stop the debate because you made a comment with no logic or evidence, mma fighters use the best parts of any martial art to be the best fighters possible. The reason they don't use wing chun is that it is useless.
@BuddangaLaw chokes block blood flow to the brain, rendering people unconsious within 4-6 seconds and dead in the next 4-6. slams break ribs. joint locks can cause irreversible damage and it will never be the same again if finnished completely... yeah... that's totally gay.
@adrew31593 wing chun is a devastating style that is designed to survive massive jumps, end them quickly and is very successful, despite staying within striking range the whole time pretty much.
@andrew31593 what's an "actualy fight?". you obviously don't know shit... not to talk shit. look at ben saunders. he uses primarily jeet kune do. it isn't a fighting style, neither is wing chun. its a concept. you can't categorize it, because it's not set in stone. you can't use muay thai in a 5 man jump, but wing chun and jkd are highly effective in situations like that. they work just fine. know your facts before you run your mouth.
@ihavetheherpes dude you have never been jumped by 5 people seriously how do you know it works ive been at the bottom of a pile up for acting like a tough guy dickhead not proud of it and i can tell you now it doesnt matter what you know 5 on 1 your getting fucked up so stop pulling your dick over segal movies wake up and smell what your shoveling
@jaimedancosmo get a fucking life and stop talking shit on youtube. what are you, 10? jeet kune do and wing chun were developed for situations like that. they spar full contact with groups that big(trained people, not street fighters), same with krav maga. they are successful martial arts, deserve to be respected and you should really learn the facts before opening your mouth... in fact... don't open your mouth if you're just going to talk shit and try to be a badass on the net.
@ihavetheherpes jeet kune do was never meant to be a style rather the absence of a style so you do some research mma is jeet kune do clown it isnt even a traditional martial art and ive trained with guys that have a background in kung fu karate judo boxing all traditional martial arts are incomplete and the ones that become sports more so "learn 1 year of boxing 1 year of wrestling you'll beat any martial artist out there" Bruce Lee read up on jeet kune do and reveal the truth of martial arts
@jaimedancosmo did i say it was? don't fucking talk shit to me. i'm a bjj practitioner, i train in muay thai and i've trained jkd. i know the benefits of the mix and i'm no stranger to jkd. don't jump to conclusions and don't disrespect me. if you have a problem with me, you can handle it without acting like a 10 year old little bitch, talking shit over youtube.
@ihavetheherpes im not trying to talk shit to you im responding to your posts why do you keep calling me a 10 year old bitch you want respect grant it most of the guys ive trained with have said there tma background taught them a lot of bad habits they later had to un learn i started out in karate myself then did boxing and now bjj i apologise for my choice of words in previous posts your right i dont have to be a dick to make a point but you should heed your own advice enjoy your matial journey
@jaimedancosmo not trying to talk shit? "stop pulling your dick over segal movies wake up and smell what your shoveling". i'm not trying to talk shit either, but i think i have a point. maybe i should've worded it differently, but youtube drama really is for little kids, so talk to me like an adult and i will treat you like one.
@ihavetheherpes cool initial point no matter how you train flight not fight is the best answer in a 5 on 1 or worse no martial arts training can prepare someone for the reality of that situation training partners arent trying to beat you with in an inch of your life it happened to me and it was a horrific experience that i dont wish on anyone
@jaimedancosmo i get the point, but if you stay on the outside, you're only in front of so many people at once. the goal isn't to beat them all in a situation like that, the goal is to escape which is completely possible without getting completely fucked up.
ROAR! iyam MMA artiste, silly kung pow foolish! me smashem face you! MMA Traditional from caveman times! MMA=Man on Man ASSault!! What is this History and other foolishness? MMA come from ALIEN JESUS KILLER BEAR-MAN-PIG MONSTER!! Absolute kill everything... even CHUCK NORRIS!!.........((etc etc etc etc... yes you sound this bad if you only express un-thought out opinions, with no basis in experience ... respect each other warriors, substance over style. ))
@MrDavearama You probably dont follow joe rogan that much. This guy trains very heavily almost everyday. If they did challenge him I am pretty sure he would accept. Most likely break them down
@MrDavearama Obasi is a wing chun practitioner, but if you notice his few allege MMA fights, their with non fighters... i mean who are they? they themselves aren't even using the traditional MMA style but a discombobulated street lingo as their source of fighting skill. As if they just got a couple of bums of the streets and set them up with Obasi, no wonder he won. Obasi himself does not use wing chun when fighting in the cage, so his wing chun is obsolete when he's fighting.
If u hurt urself doing a kick either ur doing it incorrectly or ur not conditioned enough. If a boxer punches incorrectly or is not condiotioned they may break their hand or their wrist. Muay thai kicks are very effective & powerful much more than Kung Fu. He is right about Thai Fighters having injuries & pains later in life...thats just the same as boxers getting brain & speech problems. ANY art can be good if trained practically & sparred with full contact.Muay Thai, BJJ,Wrestling & Boxing = W
@realityIZanILLUSION: I admit Muay Thai has a lot of effectiveness in their kicks, but Kickboxing kicks (which are derived from Kung Fu, Tang Soo Do, and Karate kicks) can be just as effective. Kickboxing has proven its effectiveness in the MMA, so if a Kung Fu practitioner studies Kickboxing to learn how to apply their kicks in real combat (like I did), Kung Fu kicks can be very effective. I actually have many Thai Boxer friends whom I train with and my Kung Fu kicks work well against them.
@IBurton86 Once u begin combining arts u create synergy.I got a blackbelt in TKD then moved 2 kickboxing.TKD allowed me 2 advance real fast & I became better than everyone even those who trained in kickboxing for yrs.I did that for 5 yrs then moved to BJJ.Single arts are ok but 2 be really effective especially when fighting in the cage 4 a living (or street) it is better to combine arts to eliminate weaknesses & improve strengths.U adapted to be practical like I did.Practical training is good.
@realityIZanILLUSION: I agree completely. I trained Hung Gar (Tiger Crane) before entering the Boxing world and did fantastic in only a short time period as well. I even sparred with many kickboxers and Thai Boxers and held my own against them (using the kicks taught to me in Hung Gar with help from those Kickboxers). While studying Boxing, I got into Japanese Jujitsu and I plan on training BJJ very soon. Training in Hung Gar has helped with my balance very well!
When you train an art effectively then it is good. When you dance and kick the air or any of that stuff you don't know how to fight someone effectively.
He says in a "matter of factly" voice "we aim for joints" LIke a fucking douche. No, you dont. Secondly, you can't hit, especially at real speeds. Second, muy thai kicks FUCKING KILL people, which is why saying "you hurt yourself with muy thai kicks" is a fucking wankster statement. I fucking hate this kid.
Athletes like the Billy Blanks, Bruce Lee, Anderson Silva, Bones Jones, GSP (St. Pierre) have enough athleticism to get away with winning via incorrect form of any given martial arts or fighting system. A system that is made so that a smaller person can defend her or himself versus a larger or more athletic opponent is a very good fighting system. You all know of any systems that fit this description? Check out the book 'THE WING CHUN COMPENDIUM'
I just think it's ignorant of of these MMA fanboys to say that one style is BS or ineffective simply because it does not work well within the confines of a controlled competition. Remember in a life and death scenario, eye gouges, throat attacks, groin strikes, even biting are legitimate tools to beat your opponent. Many of the traditional martial arts have been around for hundreds of years for a reason..They work in real life situations. How many law enforcement agencies use MMA?
@ivso1978 First off, every law enforcement agency uses MMA, so there goes that retardation. Secondly, it is true, traditional martial arts HAVE been around for hundreds of years, but just like in life, evolution reigns supreme. Would you rather race a Model T, or a Bugatti? I rest my case.
mma is still a sports with that there are rules for the most part including underground fights. it doesn't matter wat style it is. a punch is a punch n a kick is a kick. but without some kind of training n adapt to ur opponents movement u will die or lose in a real fight or in the ring. but learning more then one style really helps n kung fu has many styles like mma plus is just as effective as mma. real street fights ur fighting for ur life not just just keepin scores.
i see alot of wing chun haters whats the deal this is funny. Wing chun is not a caged fighting system thats why it wont work but if its integrated with something else thats another story. Wing chun is good in the right situation like close quarters fighting.
@zacktillery See UFC 132...Wanderlei is a very accomplished Muay Thai fighter...He was notorious in Pride for his clinch. See what he did to Rampage in their first two Pride encounters...broke his ribs and then left him unconscious through the ropes...
@ivso1978 You're completely right i'm fucking retarded. I was tired thought you said somebody else...anyways man I'm not trying to be a big fucking doucher, i just cant stand wing chun for some reason....mostly because the kids at my combat gym talk SO MUCH SHIT but they always get destroyed when we spar.
people are funny to me. I think bjj is good but its really jeet kune do rehashed. people talk about the ineffectiveness of wing chun the very wing chun bruce lee could use to beat the dog piss out of someone. MMA is still a sport regardless of its effectiveness. these guys are fighting pre arranged fights at the same weight class. in a real street fight you may fight a guy that 240 all muscle and you only weigh 160. the goal is to hit more and get hit less so I like the philosophy of jkd better.
@specialforces69 Yeah those competitions are BS too! Fung fu or whatever, yeah all have rules soyou need adapt within those rules. What Im talking about here is TRUE REAL kung fu.. OUTSIDE the ring/ octagon. And it would be hard for a MMA fighter to choke a Kung Fu Guy because how could he do that with his eyes gauged out? What we need to see is a fight to the DEATH. then Lets see if Rogan will say kung fu is useless.
@DC180 But it also WORKS. I've never heard of anyone dying but a kung fu's "death monkey blow!" like some bullshit it's all about. Please, cross train and you'll be a good fighter.
@DC180 I have seen videos where kung fu motherfuckers get they ass kicked and then they cry about it.. didn't see any killing there.. sir, u are talking bullshit.
hehe some contradiction there, he says he dont like the way Thai boxers train their kicks cause it can cause problems in later life ie bone on bone training, but then what about the forearm training that wing chun people do lol? i always thought of wing chun as conditioning for the forearm like thai boxing is for shins.
@ljenkins9000 I'm not sure where your getting your information from but Kung Fu works very well in the street. It is an effective style that has been battle and street tested time and time again. You obviously aren't to familiar with Kung Fu, I suggest you do some research b4 you make daft statements. And no, watching enter the dragon doesn't count as research.
@soldierking1 what style? traditional is useless in anything, wing chung is slightly better but still fails if the person is trained in how to take you down. over all its useless but don't take my word for it try using it in real life and see for yourself
@comradebashu well to be fair a true street fighting, sparring Boxer, MA practitioner wont roll around with you hell chop your throat or crush your nuts, gouge eyes, etc. and if that fails he'll bite plugs out of your ass. MMA is a style and a sport. sports have rules, many martial arts in self defense practice dont. if someone spits a piece of your body back at you you will reconsider grabbing him
@40OldeEnglish yes but when those attacks are available to someone who knows MMA technique it doubles its effectiveness you think a wing chun guy can kick to the nuts try taking a muy thai shin to them, certain positions like side control mount and guard when used properly leave no opportunity for counters of any kind, besides if you bite flesh out of my thigh while im arm barring you i just break your arm, its been proven time and time again 1 on 1 if you cant stop the take down you lose
@Aldjor86: My answer to that would be "well so what?" I've beaten boxers, Thai Boxers, Wrestlers, and BJJ stylists alike with my Sanshou and Jujitsu skills and I don't doubt the effectiveness of those arts. Judo isn't seen too often in the UFC and I doubt you would deny the effectiveness of that martial art.
This tool tapped to strikes in under 3 mins in his pro MMA debut against a guy also in his MMA debut named Chris Birchler. This happened Sept 9, 2011.
Let's not forget about San Shou, a Kung Fu style shown to be effective in Strikeforce by champion Cung Le. San Shou is a Kung Fu style whether people realize it or not and works just as good if not better than boxing, kickboxing, or Thai Boxing.
@IBurton86 That's 1 fighter who trains at an MMA gym. I personally beat the shit out of a San Shou kid who held a class at my college with no training whatsoever. He was spinning and twirling like a ballerina and i KOed that fool lol. He was a supposed regional champion too, hehe it twas funny.
ive done it all. boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu, karate, wing chun, even capoeira. i tell you, for all that say one style is better than another, you're just dumb fucks. seriously. seriously! i mean it!! every style is different and got its own strengths and weaknesses. for example a good jiu jitsu guy can take the fight to the ground, but a against a wing chun guy with good take down defense, jiu jitsu gets owned. again i done it all, so i know. just do what u like and stop being fags seriously
@Freestyleartclub your lack of spelling shows your lack of intelligence. my fight record is 5-0 buddy, and for someone to come on youtube and disrespect a martial art, that also shows your lack of intelligence.
@metalhead33 i do not respect people who is doing dancing, kung fu shotokan or wing chun and charging people money, acting like teaching martial arts.
@Freestyleartclub Kung Fu is one of, if not the earliest form of martial arts. Kung Fu way before trad jiujitsu and more than a thousand years before Braz Jiujitsu. Im not a martial arts practitioner but I learned to fight getting my skull knocked in and stabbed by my father. Ive never won a fight wrestling someone, all about calculated strikes. Sorry MMA jocktards. Id like to learn Kung Fu to gain self awareness and control.
@liftthecurse you would like to learn kung fu because it is dancing and easy..who wants go to gym 2 hours punching kicking wrestling submision sparring...all this hard work for real martial artist..who cares how old kung fu..i is theory not realistic at all... china lost tea, fight against thailand 15 times..it was shame..thats why they created sanda//but did not work they lost again. people who belivie shit kung fu or wing chun it means he has no fight record.
@Freestyleartclub: What do you mean Sanda never won against Muay Thai? Sanda has beaten many of the top Muay Thai fighters and one Sanda practitioner has even earned the nickname "Conqueror of Muay Thai!" Yes, the Traditional Kung Fu fighters lost virtually every battle, but that's in the past. China has learned from its mistakes and empty traditions and have geared toward real Kung Fu fighting which involves kickboxing and grappling. I'm a Sanshou fighter and I love training with MT Fighters!
@Freestyleartclub: I realized the last sentence in my statement needed clarification. In addition to practicing Sanshou I also study Jujitsu and Hung Gar (Tiger Crane) Kung Fu. You stated that people who learn Kung Fu learn cuz "it's dancing and easy and people would rather not spend their time practicing punching, Kicking, wrestling and sparring." Kung Fu develops a stronger body (When combined with standard conditioning) and more endurance. I enjoy REAL and TRADITIONAL martial arts training!
I studied Wing Chun in New York under Lee Mo Shan who studied under Moy Yat from the School that Bruce Lee attended. What Joe do not understand is that Kung-Fu uses the open hand. Let that eye strike praying Mantis an snake find its target. I box also and got a rude awakening but wound up becoming a Golden Glove champion. Each sport is different.
@kaloshilo "What Joe do not understand is that Kung-Fu uses the open hand. Let that eye strike praying Mantis an snake find its target."
And what you do not understand is that MMA rules have allowed for the open hand and eye snake strike praying mantis whatever to be used. It doesn't work. You can't make it work. It's a broken system (or bunch of systems).
@Ljenkins9000 MMA is a sport, not real street combat. The MMA guys have to play by the same rules and theyr'e not allowed to punch you in the back of the head or kick you in the nuts. The question is if Kung Fu has value in the sport of MMA, or if it has less value than boxing or jiu jitsu.
@JDivinorumVideo "The MMA guys have to play by the same rules and theyr'e not allowed to punch you in the back of the head or kick you in the nuts"
No, this is legal in MMA. There are, in fact, no universal rules in MMA. There are still some MMA organizations that are bare-knuckle with no rules at all (like the early UFC). There are no Kung Fu schools/temples/whatever that fight with less rules (or even equally few rules) than MMA. That's why they suck every time they fight with no rules.
@JDivinorumVideo "The question is if Kung Fu has value in the sport of MMA, or if it has less value than boxing or jiu jitsu."
That question was answered at UFC 1 and a thousand other no-rules or limited-rules fights, before and since, that Kung Fu guys have attempted to compete in. It's just not a good learning tool to teach people to fight. History has proven this a thousand times, but people keep going to Kung Fu places because it looks good in movies.
The fact of the matter is, people are confusing the entire idea of Wing Chun with thinking that means they ignore the ground or think strikes alone can win all of the time. Who said that? If not, what's the issue? WC is a great system, just as much as BJJ is for ground. The Gracie's even specifically said it was a great style and everyone should learn it to be a better fighter. WC for stand up, BJJ for ground (essentially). Arnis, Krav Maga, boxing, WC, BJJ, etc. are all wonderful and effective!
Dr. Obasi commenting on bone structure... Is this right? I think it needs its own study. I am pretty sure there is a difference between micro fractures and regular fractures. If a person is constantly breaking his leg, he's going to end up a cripple later in life. If he's just building a bone matrix, he might actually be healthier later on.
In order for WC to work in MMA, the practitioners have to completely change their techniques. In other words, they have to switch to a style closer to boxing or whatever and basically NOT use WC.
@kommisar "I've also only ever seen this guy fight cans."
And his pro record is 0-2, but after he learned BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc., he beat a couple of crappy amateurs (via submission usually) and suddenly he's the Machida of Wing Chun, going around saying he invented Wing Chun jiu-jitsu by blending these two arts he's mastered. Fucking stupid.
@Ljenkins9000 Ha, is that right? Wow. So he's just another WC fraud? Also, in the one or two fights of his I've seen, he barely used any "WC", and his stand-up in general was about as horrible as his opponents were at fighting in general.
People need to face the facts. If you're going to pit a chunner against a kickboxer of equal experience and skill in their respective arts, the kickboxer will win 99% of the time. WC just doesn't work. Its stance alone shows why.
@demonjack123 What's ignorant is your comment on armbars, and please show us anytime WC has been shown to be effective against anyone who has a clue how to fight.
The bottom line though is WC doesn't work. Even this Obasi guy doesn't use much WC in his fights, and when he does, it's always on fat, out-of-shape bums who can't fight in any respect. The funny thing is when you actually have two WC guys fight, it looks like shitty kickboxing. None of the "trapping" nonsense or any of that crap is anywhere to be seen. WC works but only in the movies.
@demonjack123 Oddly enough, there's never a "right", "true", "real", etc. chunner who fights. Apparently, the "right", "true", "real", etc. chunner who actually fights only exists in WC Fantasy Land.
@kommisar Or dumbass no one has actually uploaded a good WC video yet? Most WC fighters do not want to fight unless they absolutely have too. WC like all other martial arts is meant to be deadly. I practice Karate and refuse to fight. If I ever do fight it will be to kill and without hesitation.
@demonjack123 Right, all the "good" WC "masters" are still hidden after decades of MMA....
Yes, chunners don't fight. That's exactly the problem. They'd rather do forms and play their gay slap games. No, it's not deadly, you idiot. If you actually watch a WC fight, it looks like shitty kickboxing.
"I practice Karate and refuse to fight."
Really? You could have blown me over with a feather....
@kommisar I can see that it is pointless to argue with someone as ignorant and blinded as yourself. I really hope you do grow up and actually be more open. Before mouthing off about a certain style why not actually try it for yourself? As for me and Karate I mainly did it for excercise and confidence.
@demonjack123 There's nothing to be "open" about when something shows time after time it can't deliver what's promised. You're worse than those politicians who believe we can control the entire world with a military empire while keeping taxes low. Better yet, you're just like those cultists who worship some fraud in spite of every bit of evidence being against them.
@kommisar LOL what? you're deaf mate. I said go try it for yourself or seriously do us all a favor and shut the fuck up. There is no so called evidence that it does NOT work, if anything there is evidence that IT DOES.
Still no WC by this guy, but anyone that says stand up/striking doesn't work because of BJJ, is a fool. Anyway, maybe one day a real WC guy will enter the sport and test it out? Who cares anyway, people win or lose, based on their own skills and what they tried that second and sometimes it's the art and sometimes it's the person. Caveman still works. Just be legit if you claim you do Wing Chun FFS!
@Ljenkins9000, is there a video clip of this in existence anywhere? Did the guy actually do WC? Any idea about who it was & if they were any good at WC or actually tried to stick to WC principals, or was it another guy that just claimed he did WC & actually didn't? I'm genuinely curious, because I've yet to actually see any WC when a guy claims he knows it. But yeah, if the guy didn't bother to deal with a take down, it could get ugly, so everyone should be good at everything. Any video of this?
@tgreer0120 "is there a video clip of this in existence anywhere? Did the guy actually do WC? Any idea about who it was & if they were any good at WC or actually tried to stick to WC principals, or was it another guy that just claimed he did WC & actually didn't? I'm genuinely curious"
There are dozens of these videos. Here, for for starters, is Sifu Asbel Cancio at UFC 5: watch?v=dDLRX1P0bEg
Much respect to him for fighting at a time when there were no rules in the UFC.
@Ljenkins9000, I appreciate you posting the link, but that was not Wing Chun. People seem to think that Wing Chun is proven simply by some guy extending one arm out & having the other at Wu sau, but it's not. In fact, that's overextended, he had no body structure, he just had his hand out there. Maybe the guy sucks at WC, or he just lost his form in the excitement of being in a real fight, but again, I've looked all over & never a single legit WC guy in a fight video online. Dozens of videos?
Kung fu will never work in MMA because most of the moves are designed to either paralyse or kill an opponent so they are obviously illegal to use in the octagon. And the moves that are legal are very limited. A kung fu practitioner will get his ass shead to ribbons against a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or muay thai fighter in MMA. But it is pretty good on the street if you are highly skilled and deceptive.
XAD0MAZ0K1ZT1KKUNT 1 hour ago
@daytonafreakboy
just because you dont even understand the busaic fandamentals of something, doesnt mean you should laugh when people try to correct you.
Kung Fu, wasnt made for fighting, it was a way of keeping fit, and these excercises being trained and perfected over time are focused on the least amount of energy. its their for philosophy, and spiritual as well. But kung fu has no set ways, everybody's kung fu style is different, and encourage you to learn other styles to create your own.
SoetSout 1 week ago
I haven't seen this guy fight but if he actually applies the wing chun sort of kicks and trapping hands I am very happy to see new techniques in mma. But I suspect he is just a very strong highly athletic guy who could basterdise any system into working semi effectively in mma like the old Gary Goodridge. But please prove me wrong.
antonyneal 1 month ago
Traditional Chinese Kung Fu will be applied in the MMA. Yeah I do have to admit that Chinese martial arts does not "appear"to be applicable at the level of the MMA but I guarantee you that it will be used in the MMA within three to five years. Everybody will be jumping on the Kung Fu train when it happens. That the belt will be hard to take away from that person.
Longfistbxr 1 month ago
@Longfistbxr It's already starting to happen. Cung Le has been rising to the top with Sanda, which is just the practical application of the mainstream Wushu style.
Sammi Berik is giving a fairly good representation of Taiji, as well.
I would like to see some Hung Gar, Changquan and Meihuazhuang appear in MMA eventually, but as it stands, I know very few participants in those styles who are interested in MMA at all.
ZomBLord 2 weeks ago
chinese nat kungfu team all ko'd in first round by the thai nat team, 10 yrs later the chinese are kicking with their shins, checking kicks with their shins and fighting in the clinch w/knees- calling it sanda sanshou. if you can not connect the dots there, have to ask: what the fuck are you on ?
daytonafreakboy 1 month ago
Joe Rogan is just a commentor who got the position to try to bring the mainstream to the UFC at the begining. Let's not make Joe more then what he is. He is not an authority on MMA.
anirokkfan 1 month ago
MUAY THAI KING OF STAND UP FIGHTING, KUNGFU IS SAD
daytonafreakboy 1 month ago
@daytonafreakboy i betyou thnink alllkungfu is eye striking scratch your back movie shit..butlike most idiot mma fighter you dont do your research their is many type of kungfu one is base of animal one is for street fight one can be use in sport one promotes health and a bit of self defence have you seen sanda? it like muaythai with les elbow and more grappling im not saying muaythai is in effctive im saying saying kungfu cant match is ignorant and no research
asian714cali 1 month ago
@asian714cali sanda / sanshou is a rip off of muay thai. only developed by chinese in decades following thai national team defeating chinese nat. team in 1979. show me kungfu player who is success in mma, or western boxing without clinching/knees and kicking/checking with shins. just give credit to the thai
daytonafreakboy 1 month ago
@daytonafreakboy so the thai fighters were the first to clinch or knee or kick??what the fuck are you on about and where the hell do you get your information from..
there is only a certain amount of ways a human body can throw a punch kick or grab,everything is the same!!
pankration punched kicked and grabbed and much more im sure and it was in the Olympics in 648 BC so did muay thai rip off pankration??
Sankalpalearningzone 1 month ago
@daytonafreakboy San Shou is just the practical application of what traditional Kung Fu survived the post-Boxer Rebellion crackdowns and later Mao's regime.
Punches, kicks, clinches, elbows and knees are some very basic strikes, and shins have always been a major target of kicks. Punch high, and kick mid/low is just basic fighting.
Muay Boran/Muay Thai is just a name for a collection of forms, techniques, and application theory. Not some revolutionary invention.
ZomBLord 2 weeks ago
@ZomBLord then it is very strange how those techniques only surfaced in "kung fu" in the decade after the chinese team were all ko'd by the Thai team.
muay thai is pure combat based practice. has been used combat for over 900 yrs.
daytonafreakboy 2 weeks ago
@daytonafreakboy (1) Those techniques can also be found in some of those old Kung Fu forms people think are useless. Did you think the Thai boxers were the first and only people ever to kick people in the shins and knee them in the face? People do that instinctively without any martial arts training.
(2) Well hooray for Muay Thai. That's why it's such an effective and beautiful striking art. But that doesn't make it the end-all-be-all for Striking MAs.
ZomBLord 2 weeks ago
@ZomBLord strange how the chinese waited to start kicking with their shins until AFTER they were defeated by the Thais. you talk about forms?? that is a laugh.. if it has always been 'kungfu' why havent the chinese been kicking with their shins and fighting in the clinch with knees for the last 900 years like the Thais? the chinese claim to have invented everything from hula hoops to goddamn cheeseburgersand elvis. chinese rip off muay thai and call it kungfu - where is their honor?
daytonafreakboy 2 weeks ago
@daytonafreakboy You've used the same point three times, and you're only response to my argument is "that's a laugh".
I'm starting to get the feeling you don't really want to debate this, you just want someone to tell you you're right. Why? Do you feel insecure enough about your argument that you need that kind of security?
ZomBLord 2 weeks ago
@daytonafreakboy In answer to your point though, Kung Fu hasn't really been used as a major kickboxing sport until the implementation of Sanda. Before then, Kung Fu practitioners fought in point sparring and continuous matches where kicking below the waist was illegal. So competitive Kung Fu schools stopped teaching about anything below the waist. But the techniques were all there, just as chamber-snap low kicks, rather than a Muay Thai-style hooked swinging low kick.
ZomBLord 2 weeks ago
@daytonafreakboy fyi even that tiger claw shit work but there are real one and fake one and then there are bad one and goood one it depend on who teach and whter it is old school or new school or whetr it water down"soften up" or harden up
asian714cali 1 month ago
joe is an ignorant cunt
kung fu is a very general term. some styles of kung fu were actually used to fight the wars in chinas thousands of years of history. some are just a fitness regime thats the eastern equivalent of a white man going on a daily jog. the more deadly techniques in kung fu were banned and the masters were either jailed or killed during the revolution. some just disappeared as time flowed because the world is becoming more civilized and killing techniques were not needed
dynastyflygon 2 months ago
@dynastyflygon How do you know for sure that martial arts was used in wars? It's very possible these stories are legends and myths to exult a particular martial art. I doubt that unarmed hand to hand combat was used often on battlefields. All wars are fought with weapons which means this is the most important type of training for soldiers that want to win. Before firearms were invented, wars were fought and won with spears, swords, knives, clubs, shields, and bow & arrow.
NYCGuy646 1 month ago
@NYCGuy646 such ignorance
have you ever studied chinese history? Sure there is that 0.0000001% that the wars never existed but why bother even saying that when faced with overwhelming evidence
and did u even read my comment
kung fu is a very general term
its not just hand and hand combat
what ignorance
most styles of kung fu incorporate weapons, whether its for fitness or meant for actual combat
for your last statement, once again, kung fu includes weapons -_-
dynastyflygon 1 month ago 2
@dynastyflygon The vast majority of martial arts as they are presented today are nothing more than dance and performance art forms. You can take a boxer or mma guy with 6 months of experience and he will beat most of your so-called Kung Fu masters and experts. The exceptions are San Shou and Shuai jiao because they train with a sense of realism and practice realistic sparring.
NYCGuy646 1 month ago
@dynastyflygon I have seen the weapons forms of many Kung Fu styles and they leave a lot to be desired. Kung Fu weaponry looks flowery, overly artistic, and unrealistic. On the hand, Japanese swordsmanship and more so Arnis (Filipino style that i have studied for many years) are realistic weapons styles that have been proven effective in combative situations.
NYCGuy646 1 month ago
@NYCGuy646 How do you know Martial arts (art of war) was used in wars? Sir you get the prize for the dumbest question ever posted on youtube!
dutch04 1 month ago
I`ve watched every MMA (which is a sport first, then a method of self-defence second) fight I can since the nineties. I`m not a fighter but it seems to me that styles generally go out the window inside the Octagon. In a street fight the person with the most skill or best style is not always the victor either. In both it often comes down to other factors like warrior/gladiator attitude, cardio, gameplan, luck, and forcing opponent to fight into your strength.
freestanding1000 2 months ago
This guy. I couldn't respect him anymore. Thank you for this video, it had so many points. Well done for bringing back what was long forgotten.
PsychoFlounder 2 months ago
guess what folks.
MMA is derived from TMA.
Jigoro Kano developed Judo from traditional jiujutsu systems.
Maeda went to Brazil. The Gracies developed Judo further with an emphasis on groundfighting (BJJ). They used it in vale tudo/style vs style fights.
People learned BJJ. Started to mix it up with al kinds of techniques from different martial arts.
To prepare better for the cage. They took stuff from combat sports: boxing, wrestling, muay thai, Sambo. Buth Also from more traditional martial arts
Taskmaster300 2 months ago
@Taskmaster300 Lots of MMA guys have (had) TMA in their training regimen.
Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Anthony Pettis.
The thing is they adapt the stuff to the cage.
They don,t learn stuff against weapons or to flee the situation.
Check out some of the older self defense videos of the Gracies.
That looks a lot like traditional martial arts. However it wil noth help you in MMA.
So people don,t train it. What MMA has showed us is that sparring is a verry fast way to learn stuff.
Taskmaster300 2 months ago
MMA is a SPORT, it has evolved as a SPORT! If it were real say fights to the death it would have evolved very very differently e.g. people wouldn't rely mainly on shitty Muay Thai (worst style in the world to keep people away from you or taking you down), and after losing an eye or nose or ear ripped off would not be so keen to go to the ground. Joe Rogan is a Monster Turd trying to act tough - I'll pay for him to go to Emin Boztepe seminar & tell him Wing Tsun is crap or he can't fight.
CloudsBeyond 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond muay thai isn't shitty, push kicks keep people away and it's not hard to sprawl, then deliver knees. joe rogan is a beast, he doesn't have to "act tough" and he's not talking shit, there's just things that do and don't work in mma. every style has it's strengths, weaknesses and effectiveness in certain situations. stop talking shit on youtube and get a life.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
kung fu really isn't good for mma in my opinion. wild windmills < parries, wedges and bob n' weaves. machida has success with karate though, so it could be effective if supplemented with some kickboxing techniques.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@reptile202 I don't put sanshou kickboxing in the category of classical martial arts. Call it or label it whatever you want, but Cung Le's fighting is kickboxing + takedowns, which is mma. When he trains, he's not spending his time doing dead forms by himself, or a cooperating training partner (which is common in traditional martial arts; ie, you do this to me, then I do this to you). Cung Le spars with people who want to make him fail.
alexandraamihan 2 months ago
@alexandraamihan thats true but, but its also true that cung lee is a kunf fu fighter..
just becuase he kicks and punches and throws does not make it MMA, MMA seems to be a broad term so that meatheads can say everything is MMA or UFC...
remember this there is only so many ways someone can kick and punch!
all martial arts are the same
its the man the does it who makes the difference
Sankalpalearningzone 1 month ago
@Sankalpalearningzone cung le uses sanda.. i mean its chinese but its not like traditional chinese kung fu.
neometalx9 1 month ago
@neometalx9 Sanshou/sanda is a martial art which was originally developed by the Chinese military based upon the study and practices of traditional Kung Fu.
it is kung fu, that flaily snake shit is for movies
Sankalpalearningzone 1 month ago
@Sankalpalearningzone glad u wikied that, anyways kung fu doesnt mean just one style, its everything, but what most people think about it is the shit u see in movies that doesnt really work in real life..
neometalx9 1 month ago
@neometalx9 wiki has a much cleaner explanation than i would have=).. yeah there are alot of styles in kung fu but they are mostly the same concepts with some different inspiration or from a different region, as i said there is only so many ways a human can kick or punch before they all start resembling each other. the movies and some bad practioners have gave kung fu a terrible name.. i would love to see it gain the notoriety it had back.
Sankalpalearningzone 1 month ago
@Sankalpalearningzone yes and also most kungfu today are soften up till it is render useless it almost like some karate you see in usa which does nothing exepct the good karate dojo that make it useful like the machida train from but anywa not all kungfu are meant for fighhting some aremeant to promote health like taichi more then fighting but can be use for fighting especially on the street nopt alll are meant for cage
asian714cali 1 month ago
@Sankalpalearningzone yes but someof that snake shit iss actually use in reallife lol shaolin kungfu use many animal form but the way the use stillhave old school training and it is effective but if you use in mma you it willl have to be limited because it use many illegal move as well but in term of training shaolin kungfu is very real they literally do traing in getting hit in the sack and withstanding it sound crazy but it endurance or breaking wall
asian714cali 1 month ago
@Sankalpalearningzone but the there is alot of movie bullshit to where guy does the snake thing incorrectly with teh stupid eye poking shit whatever that is
asian714cali 1 month ago
@neometalx9 Of course it's Kung Fu. Practically applied Kung Fu doesn't look at all like the forms or movies.
The forms are mostly just conditioning and speed training.
ZomBLord 1 month ago
@ZomBLord i know that, tell that to joe rogan and most of the people who think kung fu is only forms... but of course if u going to put someone who only train like that and have no combat or sparring experience, that person is going to get owned...
neometalx9 1 month ago
Kung fu = outdated, dungeon and dragons fantasy. Everything in wing chun can be done in mma (no rules against pak sao, lop sao, chi sau). It's not in MMA because it's useless. Stop parroting your sifu or guru--and test it yourself on the ring by sparring competitors in mma, boxing, kickboxing. If you dont' do that, you're just a puppet of useless tradition and fantasy.
alexandraamihan 2 months ago 2
@alexandraamihan It's inaccurate to say kung fu sucks in general. There's actually two sports fighters known for using kung fu; one is Cung Le. Look at some of the crazy kicks he pull off.
reptile202 2 months ago 2
@alexandraamihan it works on the street.. its another thing against mma fighters.
K4ne91 2 months ago
This kung fu shit does not work in any kind of fight, people just get scammed into learning it and then get mad when people tell them what a waste of time and moeny it was.
andrew31593 2 months ago
@andrew31593 theres too many types of kung fu to generalize it all into one category.
ReaLizZe7 2 months ago
@andrew31593 if we're going to call it kung fu it should be able to be used for fighting, probably everything you've ever seen I would never in a million years call kung fu
shaolindrunk 2 months ago
@andrew31593 Do you know how many styles there are ?
Even now there still hundred of unkown self combined styles.
Wing chun is only 1 of the many styles ...
And Wing Chun does have full contact sparring if you search good.
If your well trained enough and you find the right place there you can practice full contact wing chun.
BuddangaLaw 2 months ago
@BuddangaLaw Full contact wing chun/ Full contact ballet
andrew31593 2 months ago
@andrew31593 Wrestling / gay hugging ...
I can do that to many more sports .
And wing chun can kill people smartass <_<
Hitting a point in your neck is enough to kill you ... *sigh* *noob*
BuddangaLaw 2 months ago
@BuddangaLaw You won't find any succesful MMA fighter from a wing chun background, wrestling on the other hand has jon jones, brock lesnar, mat hamill, quinton jackson and so on. The difference is it actually has useful applicatin in a real fight.
andrew31593 2 months ago
@andrew31593 That's indeed true but that is 'MMA' Pro fighting .
The pro world isn't the only world there are many people outside that can 'probably' kill a MMA fighter with Wing Chun. But lets stop with these debats.
BuddangaLaw 2 months ago
@BuddangaLaw You want to stop the debate because you made a comment with no logic or evidence, mma fighters use the best parts of any martial art to be the best fighters possible. The reason they don't use wing chun is that it is useless.
andrew31593 2 months ago
@BuddangaLaw chokes block blood flow to the brain, rendering people unconsious within 4-6 seconds and dead in the next 4-6. slams break ribs. joint locks can cause irreversible damage and it will never be the same again if finnished completely... yeah... that's totally gay.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@adrew31593 wing chun is a devastating style that is designed to survive massive jumps, end them quickly and is very successful, despite staying within striking range the whole time pretty much.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@ihavetheherpes yep but it doesn't work in an actualy fight.
andrew31593 2 months ago
@andrew31593 what's an "actualy fight?". you obviously don't know shit... not to talk shit. look at ben saunders. he uses primarily jeet kune do. it isn't a fighting style, neither is wing chun. its a concept. you can't categorize it, because it's not set in stone. you can't use muay thai in a 5 man jump, but wing chun and jkd are highly effective in situations like that. they work just fine. know your facts before you run your mouth.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@ihavetheherpes dude you have never been jumped by 5 people seriously how do you know it works ive been at the bottom of a pile up for acting like a tough guy dickhead not proud of it and i can tell you now it doesnt matter what you know 5 on 1 your getting fucked up so stop pulling your dick over segal movies wake up and smell what your shoveling
jaimedancosmo 2 months ago
@jaimedancosmo get a fucking life and stop talking shit on youtube. what are you, 10? jeet kune do and wing chun were developed for situations like that. they spar full contact with groups that big(trained people, not street fighters), same with krav maga. they are successful martial arts, deserve to be respected and you should really learn the facts before opening your mouth... in fact... don't open your mouth if you're just going to talk shit and try to be a badass on the net.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@ihavetheherpes jeet kune do was never meant to be a style rather the absence of a style so you do some research mma is jeet kune do clown it isnt even a traditional martial art and ive trained with guys that have a background in kung fu karate judo boxing all traditional martial arts are incomplete and the ones that become sports more so "learn 1 year of boxing 1 year of wrestling you'll beat any martial artist out there" Bruce Lee read up on jeet kune do and reveal the truth of martial arts
jaimedancosmo 2 months ago
@jaimedancosmo did i say it was? don't fucking talk shit to me. i'm a bjj practitioner, i train in muay thai and i've trained jkd. i know the benefits of the mix and i'm no stranger to jkd. don't jump to conclusions and don't disrespect me. if you have a problem with me, you can handle it without acting like a 10 year old little bitch, talking shit over youtube.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@ihavetheherpes im not trying to talk shit to you im responding to your posts why do you keep calling me a 10 year old bitch you want respect grant it most of the guys ive trained with have said there tma background taught them a lot of bad habits they later had to un learn i started out in karate myself then did boxing and now bjj i apologise for my choice of words in previous posts your right i dont have to be a dick to make a point but you should heed your own advice enjoy your matial journey
jaimedancosmo 2 months ago
@jaimedancosmo not trying to talk shit? "stop pulling your dick over segal movies wake up and smell what your shoveling". i'm not trying to talk shit either, but i think i have a point. maybe i should've worded it differently, but youtube drama really is for little kids, so talk to me like an adult and i will treat you like one.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
@ihavetheherpes cool initial point no matter how you train flight not fight is the best answer in a 5 on 1 or worse no martial arts training can prepare someone for the reality of that situation training partners arent trying to beat you with in an inch of your life it happened to me and it was a horrific experience that i dont wish on anyone
jaimedancosmo 2 months ago
@jaimedancosmo i get the point, but if you stay on the outside, you're only in front of so many people at once. the goal isn't to beat them all in a situation like that, the goal is to escape which is completely possible without getting completely fucked up.
ihavetheherpes 2 months ago
I agree with Joe, kung fu is useless in MMA cage combat.
martinez418 3 months ago
good interview. thumbs up
verbaledge 3 months ago
ROAR! iyam MMA artiste, silly kung pow foolish! me smashem face you! MMA Traditional from caveman times! MMA=Man on Man ASSault!! What is this History and other foolishness? MMA come from ALIEN JESUS KILLER BEAR-MAN-PIG MONSTER!! Absolute kill everything... even CHUCK NORRIS!!.........((etc etc etc etc... yes you sound this bad if you only express un-thought out opinions, with no basis in experience ... respect each other warriors, substance over style. ))
MrPlasticfriend 3 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend wth.. that was not necessary
thunderchundering 3 months ago
I don't think that pussy whit boy Rogan would want to fight this guy.
MrDavearama 3 months ago
@MrDavearama You probably dont follow joe rogan that much. This guy trains very heavily almost everyday. If they did challenge him I am pretty sure he would accept. Most likely break them down
Boar1237 3 months ago
@MrDavearama Obasi is a wing chun practitioner, but if you notice his few allege MMA fights, their with non fighters... i mean who are they? they themselves aren't even using the traditional MMA style but a discombobulated street lingo as their source of fighting skill. As if they just got a couple of bums of the streets and set them up with Obasi, no wonder he won. Obasi himself does not use wing chun when fighting in the cage, so his wing chun is obsolete when he's fighting.
martinez418 3 months ago
If u hurt urself doing a kick either ur doing it incorrectly or ur not conditioned enough. If a boxer punches incorrectly or is not condiotioned they may break their hand or their wrist. Muay thai kicks are very effective & powerful much more than Kung Fu. He is right about Thai Fighters having injuries & pains later in life...thats just the same as boxers getting brain & speech problems. ANY art can be good if trained practically & sparred with full contact.Muay Thai, BJJ,Wrestling & Boxing = W
realityIZanILLUSION 3 months ago
@realityIZanILLUSION: I admit Muay Thai has a lot of effectiveness in their kicks, but Kickboxing kicks (which are derived from Kung Fu, Tang Soo Do, and Karate kicks) can be just as effective. Kickboxing has proven its effectiveness in the MMA, so if a Kung Fu practitioner studies Kickboxing to learn how to apply their kicks in real combat (like I did), Kung Fu kicks can be very effective. I actually have many Thai Boxer friends whom I train with and my Kung Fu kicks work well against them.
IBurton86 3 months ago
@IBurton86 Once u begin combining arts u create synergy.I got a blackbelt in TKD then moved 2 kickboxing.TKD allowed me 2 advance real fast & I became better than everyone even those who trained in kickboxing for yrs.I did that for 5 yrs then moved to BJJ.Single arts are ok but 2 be really effective especially when fighting in the cage 4 a living (or street) it is better to combine arts to eliminate weaknesses & improve strengths.U adapted to be practical like I did.Practical training is good.
realityIZanILLUSION 3 months ago
@realityIZanILLUSION: I agree completely. I trained Hung Gar (Tiger Crane) before entering the Boxing world and did fantastic in only a short time period as well. I even sparred with many kickboxers and Thai Boxers and held my own against them (using the kicks taught to me in Hung Gar with help from those Kickboxers). While studying Boxing, I got into Japanese Jujitsu and I plan on training BJJ very soon. Training in Hung Gar has helped with my balance very well!
IBurton86 3 months ago
When you train an art effectively then it is good. When you dance and kick the air or any of that stuff you don't know how to fight someone effectively.
jewransom 3 months ago
@jewransom: I agree!
IBurton86 3 months ago
He says in a "matter of factly" voice "we aim for joints" LIke a fucking douche. No, you dont. Secondly, you can't hit, especially at real speeds. Second, muy thai kicks FUCKING KILL people, which is why saying "you hurt yourself with muy thai kicks" is a fucking wankster statement. I fucking hate this kid.
zacktillery 4 months ago
Cung Le
chnsx7 4 months ago
MMA is for highschool kids.
bobdog2005 4 months ago
@bobdog2005 You do realize traditional martial arts dont work right? Or that the average MMA fighter is out of college? Try again.
zacktillery 4 months ago
Kung fu means hard work plus skill over time so anybody doing martial arts is doing kung fu.
wingchunshinobi 4 months ago
@wingchunshinobi Horribly wrong.
zacktillery 4 months ago
@wingchunshinobi Damn right!
MartialArtsCN 4 months ago
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Athletes like the Billy Blanks, Bruce Lee, Anderson Silva, Bones Jones, GSP (St. Pierre) have enough athleticism to get away with winning via incorrect form of any given martial arts or fighting system. A system that is made so that a smaller person can defend her or himself versus a larger or more athletic opponent is a very good fighting system. You all know of any systems that fit this description? Check out the book 'THE WING CHUN COMPENDIUM'
Vvrroommm 4 months ago
I just think it's ignorant of of these MMA fanboys to say that one style is BS or ineffective simply because it does not work well within the confines of a controlled competition. Remember in a life and death scenario, eye gouges, throat attacks, groin strikes, even biting are legitimate tools to beat your opponent. Many of the traditional martial arts have been around for hundreds of years for a reason..They work in real life situations. How many law enforcement agencies use MMA?
ivso1978 4 months ago
@ivso1978 First off, every law enforcement agency uses MMA, so there goes that retardation. Secondly, it is true, traditional martial arts HAVE been around for hundreds of years, but just like in life, evolution reigns supreme. Would you rather race a Model T, or a Bugatti? I rest my case.
zacktillery 4 months ago
mma n kung fu are similar in ways. its just depends on how u apply it in the fights.
WhyteLis21 4 months ago
mma is still a sports with that there are rules for the most part including underground fights. it doesn't matter wat style it is. a punch is a punch n a kick is a kick. but without some kind of training n adapt to ur opponents movement u will die or lose in a real fight or in the ring. but learning more then one style really helps n kung fu has many styles like mma plus is just as effective as mma. real street fights ur fighting for ur life not just just keepin scores.
WhyteLis21 4 months ago
i see alot of wing chun haters whats the deal this is funny. Wing chun is not a caged fighting system thats why it wont work but if its integrated with something else thats another story. Wing chun is good in the right situation like close quarters fighting.
nomad27410 4 months ago
@nomad27410 Muy thai is the only reasonable choice for close combat. Try chain punching, and end up in a clinch. Sigh....
zacktillery 4 months ago
@zacktillery Wanderlie Silva tried to clinch Chris Leiben and got KO'ed by upper cuts...A clinch looking to a knee is not guaranteed to success....
ivso1978 4 months ago
@ivso1978 Are you sure? Because Wanderlie isn't known for his clinch...
zacktillery 4 months ago
@zacktillery See UFC 132...Wanderlei is a very accomplished Muay Thai fighter...He was notorious in Pride for his clinch. See what he did to Rampage in their first two Pride encounters...broke his ribs and then left him unconscious through the ropes...
ivso1978 4 months ago
@ivso1978 You're completely right i'm fucking retarded. I was tired thought you said somebody else...anyways man I'm not trying to be a big fucking doucher, i just cant stand wing chun for some reason....mostly because the kids at my combat gym talk SO MUCH SHIT but they always get destroyed when we spar.
zacktillery 4 months ago
people are funny to me. I think bjj is good but its really jeet kune do rehashed. people talk about the ineffectiveness of wing chun the very wing chun bruce lee could use to beat the dog piss out of someone. MMA is still a sport regardless of its effectiveness. these guys are fighting pre arranged fights at the same weight class. in a real street fight you may fight a guy that 240 all muscle and you only weigh 160. the goal is to hit more and get hit less so I like the philosophy of jkd better.
nomad27410 4 months ago
@specialforces69 Yeah those competitions are BS too! Fung fu or whatever, yeah all have rules soyou need adapt within those rules. What Im talking about here is TRUE REAL kung fu.. OUTSIDE the ring/ octagon. And it would be hard for a MMA fighter to choke a Kung Fu Guy because how could he do that with his eyes gauged out? What we need to see is a fight to the DEATH. then Lets see if Rogan will say kung fu is useless.
DC180 4 months ago
REAL Kung Fu is to KILL. A fight to the DEATH! MMA has restricted RULES...
DC180 5 months ago 2
@DC180 YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !!!!
REDX50 5 months ago
@DC180 But it also WORKS. I've never heard of anyone dying but a kung fu's "death monkey blow!" like some bullshit it's all about. Please, cross train and you'll be a good fighter.
zacktillery 4 months ago
@DC180 how can you kill someone with your kung fu if hes kicking your ass?
monteskinhead 4 months ago 2
@DC180 I have seen videos where kung fu motherfuckers get they ass kicked and then they cry about it.. didn't see any killing there.. sir, u are talking bullshit.
funkysc100 4 months ago
@DC180 What? Kung Fu is to defend.
Alpinex105 4 months ago
@DC180 real kung fu is too find enlightenment just because u can kill doesnt mean you should...
backera83 4 months ago
hehe some contradiction there, he says he dont like the way Thai boxers train their kicks cause it can cause problems in later life ie bone on bone training, but then what about the forearm training that wing chun people do lol? i always thought of wing chun as conditioning for the forearm like thai boxing is for shins.
TonyMon16 5 months ago
it can't be question about kung fu because it use for war in china for thousand of years ago
Moses79 5 months ago
CHUNG LE is chinese kung fu fighter in MMA
Moses79 5 months ago
@ljenkins9000 I'm not sure where your getting your information from but Kung Fu works very well in the street. It is an effective style that has been battle and street tested time and time again. You obviously aren't to familiar with Kung Fu, I suggest you do some research b4 you make daft statements. And no, watching enter the dragon doesn't count as research.
soldierking1 5 months ago
@soldierking1 what style? traditional is useless in anything, wing chung is slightly better but still fails if the person is trained in how to take you down. over all its useless but don't take my word for it try using it in real life and see for yourself
comradebashu 4 months ago
@comradebashu well to be fair a true street fighting, sparring Boxer, MA practitioner wont roll around with you hell chop your throat or crush your nuts, gouge eyes, etc. and if that fails he'll bite plugs out of your ass. MMA is a style and a sport. sports have rules, many martial arts in self defense practice dont. if someone spits a piece of your body back at you you will reconsider grabbing him
40OldeEnglish 4 months ago
@40OldeEnglish yes but when those attacks are available to someone who knows MMA technique it doubles its effectiveness you think a wing chun guy can kick to the nuts try taking a muy thai shin to them, certain positions like side control mount and guard when used properly leave no opportunity for counters of any kind, besides if you bite flesh out of my thigh while im arm barring you i just break your arm, its been proven time and time again 1 on 1 if you cant stop the take down you lose
comradebashu 4 months ago
@soldierking1 yeah but once your on the ground your fucked
puzzypirate 4 months ago
@freestyleartclub why would you think that? Wing Chung is a very effective martial art.
soldierking1 5 months ago
@Aldjor86: My answer to that would be "well so what?" I've beaten boxers, Thai Boxers, Wrestlers, and BJJ stylists alike with my Sanshou and Jujitsu skills and I don't doubt the effectiveness of those arts. Judo isn't seen too often in the UFC and I doubt you would deny the effectiveness of that martial art.
IBurton86 5 months ago
This tool tapped to strikes in under 3 mins in his pro MMA debut against a guy also in his MMA debut named Chris Birchler. This happened Sept 9, 2011.
aldojr86 5 months ago
Let's not forget about San Shou, a Kung Fu style shown to be effective in Strikeforce by champion Cung Le. San Shou is a Kung Fu style whether people realize it or not and works just as good if not better than boxing, kickboxing, or Thai Boxing.
IBurton86 5 months ago
@IBurton86 That's 1 fighter who trains at an MMA gym. I personally beat the shit out of a San Shou kid who held a class at my college with no training whatsoever. He was spinning and twirling like a ballerina and i KOed that fool lol. He was a supposed regional champion too, hehe it twas funny.
aldojr86 5 months ago
ive done it all. boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu, karate, wing chun, even capoeira. i tell you, for all that say one style is better than another, you're just dumb fucks. seriously. seriously! i mean it!! every style is different and got its own strengths and weaknesses. for example a good jiu jitsu guy can take the fight to the ground, but a against a wing chun guy with good take down defense, jiu jitsu gets owned. again i done it all, so i know. just do what u like and stop being fags seriously
metalhead33 5 months ago
@metalhead33 wing chun is shittest martial arts ever
Freestyleartclub 5 months ago
@Freestyleartclub clearly you suck at it.
metalhead33 4 months ago
@metalhead33 onlu people with no fight record belivie that aikido or wing chun is martial arts..
Freestyleartclub 4 months ago
@Freestyleartclub your lack of spelling shows your lack of intelligence. my fight record is 5-0 buddy, and for someone to come on youtube and disrespect a martial art, that also shows your lack of intelligence.
metalhead33 3 months ago
@metalhead33 i do not respect people who is doing dancing, kung fu shotokan or wing chun and charging people money, acting like teaching martial arts.
Freestyleartclub 3 months ago
@Freestyleartclub Kung Fu is one of, if not the earliest form of martial arts. Kung Fu way before trad jiujitsu and more than a thousand years before Braz Jiujitsu. Im not a martial arts practitioner but I learned to fight getting my skull knocked in and stabbed by my father. Ive never won a fight wrestling someone, all about calculated strikes. Sorry MMA jocktards. Id like to learn Kung Fu to gain self awareness and control.
liftthecurse 3 months ago
@liftthecurse you would like to learn kung fu because it is dancing and easy..who wants go to gym 2 hours punching kicking wrestling submision sparring...all this hard work for real martial artist..who cares how old kung fu..i is theory not realistic at all... china lost tea, fight against thailand 15 times..it was shame..thats why they created sanda//but did not work they lost again. people who belivie shit kung fu or wing chun it means he has no fight record.
Freestyleartclub 3 months ago
@Freestyleartclub: What do you mean Sanda never won against Muay Thai? Sanda has beaten many of the top Muay Thai fighters and one Sanda practitioner has even earned the nickname "Conqueror of Muay Thai!" Yes, the Traditional Kung Fu fighters lost virtually every battle, but that's in the past. China has learned from its mistakes and empty traditions and have geared toward real Kung Fu fighting which involves kickboxing and grappling. I'm a Sanshou fighter and I love training with MT Fighters!
IBurton86 3 months ago
@Freestyleartclub: I realized the last sentence in my statement needed clarification. In addition to practicing Sanshou I also study Jujitsu and Hung Gar (Tiger Crane) Kung Fu. You stated that people who learn Kung Fu learn cuz "it's dancing and easy and people would rather not spend their time practicing punching, Kicking, wrestling and sparring." Kung Fu develops a stronger body (When combined with standard conditioning) and more endurance. I enjoy REAL and TRADITIONAL martial arts training!
IBurton86 3 months ago
@Freestyleartclub most kung fu strikes are illegal in the octagon. Theyre meant to diffuse a dangerous situation.
liftthecurse 3 months ago
@Freestyleartclub They ARE martial arts... They're both traditional martial arts, man.
MrAlexH1991 3 months ago
@MrAlexH1991 there are no traditional martial arts..those traditional shit.. it is theory just not realistic art..
Freestyleartclub 3 months ago
I studied Wing Chun in New York under Lee Mo Shan who studied under Moy Yat from the School that Bruce Lee attended. What Joe do not understand is that Kung-Fu uses the open hand. Let that eye strike praying Mantis an snake find its target. I box also and got a rude awakening but wound up becoming a Golden Glove champion. Each sport is different.
kaloshilo 5 months ago
@kaloshilo "What Joe do not understand is that Kung-Fu uses the open hand. Let that eye strike praying Mantis an snake find its target."
And what you do not understand is that MMA rules have allowed for the open hand and eye snake strike praying mantis whatever to be used. It doesn't work. You can't make it work. It's a broken system (or bunch of systems).
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 MMA is a sport, not real street combat. The MMA guys have to play by the same rules and theyr'e not allowed to punch you in the back of the head or kick you in the nuts. The question is if Kung Fu has value in the sport of MMA, or if it has less value than boxing or jiu jitsu.
JDivinorumVideo 5 months ago
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@JDivinorumVideo "MMA is a sport, not real street combat"
Yeah so I've heard. Isn't it weird how sports like MMA, Boxing and BJJ actually work in real life situations and Kung Fu doesn't?
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
@JDivinorumVideo "The MMA guys have to play by the same rules and theyr'e not allowed to punch you in the back of the head or kick you in the nuts"
No, this is legal in MMA. There are, in fact, no universal rules in MMA. There are still some MMA organizations that are bare-knuckle with no rules at all (like the early UFC). There are no Kung Fu schools/temples/whatever that fight with less rules (or even equally few rules) than MMA. That's why they suck every time they fight with no rules.
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
@JDivinorumVideo "The question is if Kung Fu has value in the sport of MMA, or if it has less value than boxing or jiu jitsu."
That question was answered at UFC 1 and a thousand other no-rules or limited-rules fights, before and since, that Kung Fu guys have attempted to compete in. It's just not a good learning tool to teach people to fight. History has proven this a thousand times, but people keep going to Kung Fu places because it looks good in movies.
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
what the fuck is that on Obasi's neck? Epic razor bumps?
gzeuskraiste 5 months ago
The fact of the matter is, people are confusing the entire idea of Wing Chun with thinking that means they ignore the ground or think strikes alone can win all of the time. Who said that? If not, what's the issue? WC is a great system, just as much as BJJ is for ground. The Gracie's even specifically said it was a great style and everyone should learn it to be a better fighter. WC for stand up, BJJ for ground (essentially). Arnis, Krav Maga, boxing, WC, BJJ, etc. are all wonderful and effective!
tgreer0120 6 months ago
Dr. Obasi commenting on bone structure... Is this right? I think it needs its own study. I am pretty sure there is a difference between micro fractures and regular fractures. If a person is constantly breaking his leg, he's going to end up a cripple later in life. If he's just building a bone matrix, he might actually be healthier later on.
tejolson92 6 months ago
In order for WC to work in MMA, the practitioners have to completely change their techniques. In other words, they have to switch to a style closer to boxing or whatever and basically NOT use WC.
I've also only ever seen this guy fight cans.
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar "I've also only ever seen this guy fight cans."
And his pro record is 0-2, but after he learned BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc., he beat a couple of crappy amateurs (via submission usually) and suddenly he's the Machida of Wing Chun, going around saying he invented Wing Chun jiu-jitsu by blending these two arts he's mastered. Fucking stupid.
Ljenkins9000 6 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 Ha, is that right? Wow. So he's just another WC fraud? Also, in the one or two fights of his I've seen, he barely used any "WC", and his stand-up in general was about as horrible as his opponents were at fighting in general.
People need to face the facts. If you're going to pit a chunner against a kickboxer of equal experience and skill in their respective arts, the kickboxer will win 99% of the time. WC just doesn't work. Its stance alone shows why.
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar I was agreeing with you till you said wc doesn't work. That just makes you an ignorant tard.
demonjack123 6 months ago
@demonjack123 What's ignorant is your comment on armbars, and please show us anytime WC has been shown to be effective against anyone who has a clue how to fight.
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar I never said anything about armbars you stupid moron.
demonjack123 6 months ago
@demonjack123 You're right. Wrong person.
The bottom line though is WC doesn't work. Even this Obasi guy doesn't use much WC in his fights, and when he does, it's always on fat, out-of-shape bums who can't fight in any respect. The funny thing is when you actually have two WC guys fight, it looks like shitty kickboxing. None of the "trapping" nonsense or any of that crap is anywhere to be seen. WC works but only in the movies.
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar You've seen the wrong WC practitioners then.
demonjack123 6 months ago
@demonjack123 Oddly enough, there's never a "right", "true", "real", etc. chunner who fights. Apparently, the "right", "true", "real", etc. chunner who actually fights only exists in WC Fantasy Land.
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar Or dumbass no one has actually uploaded a good WC video yet? Most WC fighters do not want to fight unless they absolutely have too. WC like all other martial arts is meant to be deadly. I practice Karate and refuse to fight. If I ever do fight it will be to kill and without hesitation.
demonjack123 6 months ago
@demonjack123 Right, all the "good" WC "masters" are still hidden after decades of MMA....
Yes, chunners don't fight. That's exactly the problem. They'd rather do forms and play their gay slap games. No, it's not deadly, you idiot. If you actually watch a WC fight, it looks like shitty kickboxing.
"I practice Karate and refuse to fight."
Really? You could have blown me over with a feather....
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar I can see that it is pointless to argue with someone as ignorant and blinded as yourself. I really hope you do grow up and actually be more open. Before mouthing off about a certain style why not actually try it for yourself? As for me and Karate I mainly did it for excercise and confidence.
demonjack123 6 months ago
@demonjack123 There's nothing to be "open" about when something shows time after time it can't deliver what's promised. You're worse than those politicians who believe we can control the entire world with a military empire while keeping taxes low. Better yet, you're just like those cultists who worship some fraud in spite of every bit of evidence being against them.
kommisar 6 months ago
@kommisar LOL what? you're deaf mate. I said go try it for yourself or seriously do us all a favor and shut the fuck up. There is no so called evidence that it does NOT work, if anything there is evidence that IT DOES.
demonjack123 6 months ago
Still no WC by this guy, but anyone that says stand up/striking doesn't work because of BJJ, is a fool. Anyway, maybe one day a real WC guy will enter the sport and test it out? Who cares anyway, people win or lose, based on their own skills and what they tried that second and sometimes it's the art and sometimes it's the person. Caveman still works. Just be legit if you claim you do Wing Chun FFS!
tgreer0120 6 months ago
@tgreer0120 "Anyway, maybe one day a real WC guy will enter the sport and test it out?"
This has happened before. It wasn't pretty.
Ljenkins9000 6 months ago
@Ljenkins9000, is there a video clip of this in existence anywhere? Did the guy actually do WC? Any idea about who it was & if they were any good at WC or actually tried to stick to WC principals, or was it another guy that just claimed he did WC & actually didn't? I'm genuinely curious, because I've yet to actually see any WC when a guy claims he knows it. But yeah, if the guy didn't bother to deal with a take down, it could get ugly, so everyone should be good at everything. Any video of this?
tgreer0120 6 months ago
@tgreer0120 "is there a video clip of this in existence anywhere? Did the guy actually do WC? Any idea about who it was & if they were any good at WC or actually tried to stick to WC principals, or was it another guy that just claimed he did WC & actually didn't? I'm genuinely curious"
There are dozens of these videos. Here, for for starters, is Sifu Asbel Cancio at UFC 5: watch?v=dDLRX1P0bEg
Much respect to him for fighting at a time when there were no rules in the UFC.
Ljenkins9000 6 months ago
@Ljenkins9000, I appreciate you posting the link, but that was not Wing Chun. People seem to think that Wing Chun is proven simply by some guy extending one arm out & having the other at Wu sau, but it's not. In fact, that's overextended, he had no body structure, he just had his hand out there. Maybe the guy sucks at WC, or he just lost his form in the excitement of being in a real fight, but again, I've looked all over & never a single legit WC guy in a fight video online. Dozens of videos?
tgreer0120 6 months ago
He didn't just have training in tae kwon do...He is a black belt... National champ..
Prodigyz8 6 months ago
circle walk will take care of those mma assholes every time.
big420head 6 months ago