Gay Genes, Destiny and Tea Leaves.

[ian1856]

Your dismissiveness and posturing are just a bit less scientific than tossing babies into volcanoes to appease the gods...but just a bit.

[sauldavidwilliams]

homosexuality has a strong genetic factor, considering that if one twin is gay theres a seventy percent chance that the other one will be gay. this is because it is considered polygenetic, and certain genes are inactive. also having older siblings, increases the chances of the child being gay by 33% because the mother's antibodies become more resistant to the fetus as there are more pregnancies, the antibodies are a large factor in why some genes are inactive, you are trying to spout biggotry

[landgabriel]

@sauldavidwilliams You have scant evidence to support these ideas, that necessitates interpretation to reach your conclusions.

[kilkolio]

@sauldavidwilliams

it's 11% doofus which is very low

[orgay3]

There are a gay gene, it has been proven in several studies. Research before you post! !

[BattleBits]

...zzzzzz...

[kippetjekip]

Your voice is boring as hell dude!

[shadetail]

The idea of the gay gene, schizophrenia gene, and violent gene was never accepted. Nor was it a way to explain how one behaves all together thus it differs from the idea of destiny you claim it does.

At least the idea of violence in polygenetics has some support because of how we have domesticated other animals, namely what we learned from domesticating the fox.

Though I think the human mind can over come any of these things, it doesn't mean that they aren't true in some sense.

[Aririkarinkita]

erm let people be why does it matter?

[freedomandprejudice]

Idk about the other stuff, but I know their have been tests done, and your right their isn't a gay gene, but they have hypothesized and done tests, which points towards the idea that homosexuality could be something in the brain.

[muziqmonster]

Well yeah, exactly...and do you know why?

We make choices using our brain. LOL

Life is a highway of choices. You can ride free and jump off anytime! Be careful and do wear your seat belts.

This video is brilliant. He is absolutely right about the "NO gay gene" hypothesis.

People try to hard to explain away a gaydom fetish that is typically aquired from dabbling in one too many girl groups. hehe

Well, not all of them, but a lot of them do progress that way.

[wunwuntew]

Google "ACE study"

[jlenaghan]

I do not think being gay is biological, its fucking dumb as fuck to say that. But gay people, and I am gay myself, have turned this shite into hearsay to get their rights and everyone believes it now lol. BS!

[DRDNIBOY]

Then you were not gay to being with. Us real gay folks didnt choose to be gay. Maybe you did.

[jlenaghan]

Yeah you know everything. Go march in a parade or something dumbass!

[DRDNIBOY]

You are obviously one of those gays that are internaly homophobic. This is why gay parades exist. Because society has casued gays to be shamful of what is perfectly natural. And your attitude , being a gay person yourself isnt helping. I suggest you get some counceling. Gay people deserve rights just like everyone else. Its really sad that you are gay yet you fail to realize that gays deserve THE same rights as everyone else.

[michigan6443]

@DRDNIBOY gays are shameful of themselves because their conscience bears witness that what they do is shameful. I am not afraid of gays ie "homophobic" I think its sad that they have self desrtuctive lives with aids and other diseases and this goes for the heterosexual fornicators as well and no Iam not hetrophobic either.

[sauldavidwilliams]

@michigan6443 i have nothing to be ashamed of. there is nothing wrong with being gay, all scientific and psychological evidence shows that . there is nothing morally wrong with it as well, it causes not pain or suffering to anyone and it makes gays happy, so it is actually good. gay relationships are just the same as straight ones and last. you should do the research first. you can only be against homosexuality on religious reasons.

[kilkolio]

@sauldavidwilliams

no scientists yet to have found any proof that a gene or genes that made one gay

stop being a sheep of mainstream

[br006DL]

Most of what you mentioned,like tea leaves,are nothing more than pseudoscience.Of course they failed,they never had any scientific evidence in the first place.And your comparing them to behaviorism,which by the way has scientific evidence.On top of that, you never give us any evidence of freewill.If nothing is determined,then would that mean that there is only randomness.Thats not freewill,thats insanity.I believe that freewill and determinism is interconnected.See below.

[br006DL]

The problem with the idea that we have no control over our lives is that we separate ourselves from our instincts(or genes),and environment,but in reality,we are our instincts and enviroment.Our instincts and our environment are one with us.Since we are our instincts and enviroment,in a strange and odd way,you are right,we do control our destiny.Instincts are determined by genes.Thats why I put them together.

[2012byebye]

Fact; nothing just happens in nature without reason.

Fact; Man posesses inherrent knowledge of a higher power or creator.

Fact; If man's earthly timeline were a year, all known history, technology, and total domination of earth is less than 12 hours.

One can see the exact point where something unearthly instantly changed man. Religions are laced with man's primative accounts of this change. Many are straight from the time of this change. They must be considered valuable databases for this.

[cuddlebuttons]

WONDEFUL!! thank you!! i agree with you 1000% i personally believe it is mostly personal experience, belief system, and childhood/adulthood environements

[peteq1972]

i believe in free will, but obviously only within the laws of physics, like i might decide that i want to walk up the wall and across the cieling, but its not going to happen. No Fate, No Destiny.

But what does happen, is what was Going to happen., like if you fast farwarded through time to see, sort of thing.

[Subfavscream]

Wouldnt it be a gay hormone or chromosone?

[BohemianBolt]

I think it's important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because a genetic causality cannot be found for, say, homosexuality 100% of the time does not mean that genetics play no part in determining one's sexual orientation. This divisive "nature v. nurture" - "behavioral v. biological" schitck is antiquated.

I implore anyone who is interested in seeing the intimate relationship between "nature" and "nurture" to explore the emerging field of epigenetics.

[BohemianBolt]

The "rant" itself is highly reductionist - just as reductionist as the geneticists who allegedly "blame" DNA for mental illness, obesity, et al. The current research has never supported a 100% genetic correlation between a specific gene and so-called "disorders" the likes of which would indicate an analogy to nebulous astrology. What is DOES support is a biological INFLUENCE, which we don't entirely understand yet, but are just beginning to touch on.

[otrwp79]

Hmmmm.......beware of the gay lobby. Suggesting that homosexuality isn't genetic could be labeled a hate crime.

[nabuvanu]

Hmmmm.......beware of the anti-gay lobby. Suggesting that homosexuality isn't genetic could be labeled a hate crime.

[otrwp79]

And why would the anti-gay lobby (I assume you mean people like James Dobson) wanto to label that (suggesting homosexuality isn't genetic) a hate crime?

[nabuvanu]

because if it isn't genetic, only behavioural, it gives the anti-gay lobby full liability to harangue and harrass gay people, and allow for open bigotry.

[otrwp79]

Let me try to simplify this here. There is a lobby that wants those who say that homosexuality is not genetic charged with a hate crime. Which lobby is it? The gay lobby or the anti-gay lobby? If it is the anti-gay lobby then they would be wanting to charge themselves with a hate crime.

[nabuvanu]

i don't know what nonsense you speak of, but justifying hatred is never acceptable.

[DBCrowns]

Yes!! That's what I learned as a child..

[Norcator]

"Does a list of ingredients also determine the shape and organization of an item?"

This seems to be the chase with genes.

A human DNA-recipe creates a human etc.

The body also needs the right environment to be able to survive on it's own after it is born.

It is mysterious that arms, legs and lungs all end up in the right place without a blueprint, but this is the best theory at the moment. Or are the any other?

[psychetruth]

Rupert Sheldrake has the theory called "Morphic Fields". I don't think his theory is correct but it's headed in the right direction.

[BohemianBolt]

Why, precisely, do you think Rupert Sheldrake is a "step in the right direction?" While his theory certainly lies outside the mainstream of developmental biology, the actual concept of "morphic [morphogenetic] fields" is actually in concert with what you label "genetic determinism."

[danihorseokay]

So you mean all of those practices that they've done in the past have failed? Well maybe society has moved on and stopped believing in these things, but whose to say phrenology and body-typing and face-reading can be proven false? All those things in the past can be considerd psuedo-science, but aren't genes unique in that they're hard science, not psuedo-science or "divination" as some people call it.

[psychetruth]

Attempts to correlate behavioral characteristics in relation to heavenly bodies and attempts to correlate behavior relative to genes are essentially the same thing and have had about the same amount of success.

The ideas that genes are responsible for behavior is popular right now but the science isn't solid. I think we will see a shift back to personal experience as the cause of behavior soon.

[danihorseokay]

Some people would say that our astrological and numerilogical makeup that we are born with is a result of our soul's past experiece. We still have free will but we are born with certain talents, and our individuality can be calculated and put on charts.

I've recently given up on this stuff though because it's addicting, and divination is dangerous, I've read about on a scholarly webpage. -neurotic person

[Norcator]

How I see it:

All the determinism-theories you mention except genes have no proven physical effect on the body. For atrology, tea leaves etc. this is obvious. Genes, on the other hand, are in the body and determine what type of materials are produced by the cell. This again controls how the body is built. So if something is a feature of the body then genes will always be a possible cause. Outside influences will be another, but at the moment it is hard to dramatically change a human body.

[psychetruth]

"Genes, on the other hand, are in the body and determine what type of materials are produced by the cell. This again controls how the body is built."

Does a list of ingredients also determine the shape and organization of an item?

All genetic engineering; a) removes an ingredient(s) from the organism or b) adds an ingredient(s) to the organism.

No genetic engineering directly modifies structure.

[Geronamid]

@psychetruth

"Does a list of ingredients also determine the shape and organization of an item"?

Do ingredients on a cake change its flavour? Yes ofcourse they do, you cant make chocolate cake if you dont add chocolate.

"The ideas that genes are responsible for behavior is popular right now but the science isn't solid".

Double Y chromossome human males are 5 times more likely to have learning difficulties than the average population.

[KidEh1980]

Great video. Really got people talking anyway. The twins reared apart results could be explained by reciprocal determinism too. That is, twins reared apart may share similar experiences because they look alike and may create a similar reaction from their environments (and they both experience those reactions). Either way, the only thing those studies prove is that those mental illness are not caused entirely by our genetic makeup.

[kingsize566]

Strange video, it doesn't really say anything apart from some pessimism surrounding recent spurious genetic claims - claims that jumped on the publicity badwagon around the time of the human genome project.

[chickenlox]

hey man... i thought scientists had a theory that homosexuality was caused by a lack of testosterone in males during puberty.

[Elements07]

Bravo! Bravo! My brother... finally someone who knows what he's talking about. Excellent video!

[daniburke90]

OMG, seriously this video is enlightening.

[sherryjbry]

Are you opposed to all medications or just those pertaining to mental illness?

[sherryjbry]

Jeywolf: A.I would never subject my sister to surgery or EST-outdated methods. We've seen 70+ mental health professionals & not ONE ever mentioned these are a possible course of action. B.If you understood this disease you would understand that it's necessary for one w/ a chemical imbalance to take meds 4 such a condition.For you to suggest that it might be all in her head is insulting 2 all afflicted with mental illness.

[sherryjbry]

Jeywolf: I've seen her off drugs. It was terrifying. She was in misery. She feels very comfortable using the term "ill" because it removes the stigma for her. If it is a illness, like diabetes, then she feels that it is not "all in her head", that it is valid. Have you ever seen someone with BPD/depression/bi-polar/anxiet­y OFF meds?

[psychetruth]

Nope, have list off the genes or combination of genes. Also what do you think "Acting together with non-genetic factors" means? It's one thing to claim something in multifactorial but quite another to actually list the genes and non-genetic factors.

[sherryjbry]

OK, let's start off w/ the BDNF gene. Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) is a prosurvival factor induced by cortical neurons that is necessary for survival of striatal neurons in the brain.

[psychetruth]

OK from wikipedia, "Various studies have shown POSSIBLE links between low levels of BDNF and conditions such as depression, schizophrenia, Obsessive-compulsive disorder, Alzheimer's disease, Huntington's disease, Rett syndrome, and dementia, though it is STILL NOT KNOWN whether these levels represent a cause or a symptom" Clear up the difference between correlation and causation.

[sherryjbry]

I thought you wanted "scientific papers"? Wikipedia is not a scientific paper. Anyone can post on it. But if you go to the Johns Hopkins University website and look at their research and "scientific papers" then you will find evidence to support the risk factor of the BDNF gene.

[psychetruth]

There is a big difference between risk factor and causation. Clear up the difference between correlation and causation. The truth is, science doesn't know the etiology of mental disorders.

[sherryjbry]

Read the papers. You'll get the answers. They point to genetics. End of story.

[psychetruth]

Sherry, I've read a number of scientific papers and they usually say something like "Research indicates that there might be a possible link between X gene and X mental disorder, but more research needs to be done." None of them are conclusive. Find one, I dare you. Try using Google scholar. It's a search engine for scientific papers.

[sherryjbry]

Sent you several links to scientific papers. Which you will no doubt tear apart.

[sherryjbry]

Jeywolf, Why do you believe that the aim of psychiatry is to do damage? I have known several people in the psychiatric community that make little money, and only want to help people.

[raulitech]

I know anti-psychotics have alot of problems but they have improved. Insulin resistance, tardis diskinesia, muscle problems, and worst of all weight gain and the damage that does to your body, irreversible cosmetic damage. I have seen B-vitamins when complemented with a dopamine blocker help to alleviate the insulin resistance and constant hunger but neither alone, or even both approches, will cure this disease, namely negative symptoms but B-vitamins do seem to help cognitive symptoms.

[psychetruth]

Antipsychotics just suck and they don't cure anything. In largest government study of them w/ more than 1000 disagnosed w/ schizophrenia 2/3 of the people dropped out of the study because the medication side effects were intolerable. These were new generation meds as well. Search for "Catie Studies"

[sherryjbry]

Maybe you should spend time with people who have severe mental illnesses. See how "well" they do without antipsychotics, antidepressants, benzos, and the like. It is horrifiying. I do not condone irresponsible medicating, but it is a necessity for some people. Get educated before you spout such ignorant statements.

[psychetruth]

I've worked w/ mental health consumers for over seven years. There are videos of more than a dozen mental health consumers in my channel. In fact most of the videos in my channels are mental health consumers or ex-mental health consumers. Unless you have been a psychologist, psychiatrist or social worker for many years, it is doubtful you have spoken to more mental health consumers than me.

[sherryjbry]

My sister has a severe mental illness, has had it since birth. I am her caretaker. I've probably spoken with, and seen people in the system for over 25 years. Maybe thousands of mentally ill people, doctors, counselors, social workersm etc. I think my credentials are in order, sir. And unlike you, I have no agenda but to see these people get help and be well.

[psychetruth]

You have the agenda to justify the method of care you have given you sister and as far as I can tell, you have no actually credentials.

[sherryjbry]

Hm. That's not very Godlike of you to insult me, my sister, and my family. Seems a tad desperate. My family has tried a number of methods to treat her. And I just told you my background, what is your credentials?

[psychetruth]

I didn't insult you or your family. I stated your philosophy justifies your treatment modality. You're the one trolling my board. LOL. Maybe instead of arguing w/ me, make your own video. LOL I never claimed to be "Godlike" either.

[sherryjbry]

Well jeywolf, that sounds like a writer trying to make an article more snazzy. But actually the medical community has made great strides in treating mental illnesses. I speak from the experience of having a sister with BPD. Treatment today vs. the 1970's are much better. For 1 thing she is treated as a person and not a mutant.

[psychetruth]

Well I've talked to a great many mental health consumers that still feel like they have been treated as mutants. There are still no cures and research is showing that older generation meds (antidepressants and antipsychotics) are just as effective and have about the same side effect profile despite the marketing hype. If you don't believe me, search for "Clinical Antipsychotic Trials of Intervention Effectiveness" It's a NIH study.

[sherryjbry]

Sadly, you speak from inexperience. I have spent a lifetime with a family member who is afflicted with a severe mental illness. Without meds, she would not be able to function. Are you suggesting that people with mental illnesses take no medications?

[psychetruth]

I haven't given any medical advice. Peoples medical decisions are between them and their doctor. I only recommend that people become completely informed about any medications they are considering and that they look over all the treatment options before they make an informed decision.

[sherryjbry]

From the Nat'l Institute of Mental Health:

Many years of research have demonstrated that vulnerability to mental illnesses-such as schizophrenia, manic depressive illness, early onset depression, autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-has a genetic component.

[sherryjbry]

...More recently it has been found that this vulnerability is not due to a single defective gene, but to the joint effects of many genes acting together with nongenetic factors. Despite the daunting complexity, progress is being made. Researchers are hunting genes because they are likely to be a vital key to deciphering what goes wrong in the brain in mental illness.

[psychetruth]

Find a single "SCIENTIFIC PAPER" that list A GENE or COMBINATION OF GENES which CAUSE mental illness.

That means you need to list off the gene or genes and the paper has to specifically state that they are the cause of the mental illness.

[sherryjbry]

When people say "homosexuals choose to be gay" it makes me sick. It breeds bigotry. So, I suppose this guy chose to be straight? Or I chose to have blue eyes, be left handed, be straight, and like olives. What a bunch of nonsense.

[psychetruth]

I have no problem w/ someone that is attracted to people of the opposite sex. There is simply no gay gene. Try to find a scientific paper that states definitely that a gay gene has been identified. It's not as simple as someone making a decision but there are environmental, social and ideological factors. Take ancient Greece for example, homosexuality was much more common because of the culture.

[AOD901]

It is true, there is no such thing as a gay gene~

But yeah, about the video in whole, i'm not quite sure in my views about it all~ There are some bits i agree with, and some that i don't =P

[psychetruth]

Well, when I study subjects, there are always things I agree with and things I don't. I keep the information that makes sense to me and I throw away the information that doesn't. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. :) That's part of a critical thinking process.

[sherryjbry]

Wow...what an incredible load of garbage. What agenda are you people pushing?

[psychetruth]

Free will.

[TheREALBoris]

hmmmm, i never tried that! im opening a tea bag today. this is bery lovly!thanx

[raulitech]

Still, there are families where schizophrenia runs in the family. Is it only coincidence?

[psychetruth]

Families grow up together, have similar social connections, grow up eating the same food, often have similar educations, are exposed to the same toxins, etc.

The current paradigm for mental illness is that it's "multifactorial" meaning many factors. The genetic element is considered to predispose the person to mental illness, not cause it. The environment is considered to trigger it.

[raulitech]

But research into twins split up at birth has found if one has the illness, the other twin has a 50% chance of getting the illness aswell. This strongly indicates genetic predisposition. Overall no person has a 50% chance of getting that illness, on average its 1% of the population. But yes, there can be stress triggers to begin the disease process.

[psychetruth]

If it were purely genetic, 100 percent of twins would have the disorder. 50 percent indicates a strong environmental factor, especially considering that identical twins generally grow up in the same environment.

[sherryjbry]

Raultech, You are absolutely correct. It is a disease and is imprinted on the DNA of those sharing a bloodline.

[psychetruth]

Oh yea, find a single scientific paper that list a a gene or combination which CAUSE mental illness. If you can find one, I'll send you $20.00. Genes code for proteins, genetic disorders are irregular or missing proteins or in one case a massive overproduction of a type of protein. Examine the science before you regurgitate the pharma marketing line.

[psychetruth]

Since, you can't change you genome, It would be wise to start looking for environmental factors, which is something you can change.

As an example you will find a higher percent of people w/ schizophrenia have divorced parents and childhood trauma. If you abuse anyone long enough, they will experience a mental disorder.

[raulitech]

Yeah I been there done that. My dad is schizophrenic and as such our family has always been in poverty cos he wants all the money for himself not that he made much money. 3 out of 5 children have inherited the defect, and as such they and their children live in crushing poverty and their children in turn are one by one developing the illness. The terrible cycle never ends.

[razzberry13]

raulitech: no coincidence. it pertains to genetic predisposition. Absolutely.

[psychetruth]

What the hell does genetic predisposition mean anyways? I'm a man so I am predisposed to prostrate cancer, my wife has a predisposition to breast cancer. Predisposition doesn't mean onset, there are environmental factors. You can't change someones genome, but you can change your environment.

[sherryjbry]

Psychetruth: Genetic predisposition means that your DNA contains information, if you will, that determines risk for disease, etc. People who share the same bloodlines often share the same potential for certain diseases, conditions, etc.

[psychetruth]

"Potential" is the keyword here. The current paradigm is that mental illness's are complex interactions of genes which create a predisposition which is then combined w/ environmental factors. This is called a multifactorial disorder. Only thing is, no one has identified a combination of genes w/ specific environmental factors which cause mental illness. It's all theory w/out a single solid example.

[danihorseokay]

what would be the survival factor for carrying the schizophrenia gene? the schizophrenia gene must have died out long ago throughout time if it was not working for the survival of the human species. If a baby is born a certain way, such as with down syndrome, you can tell right away that the disease is from a DNA or genetics. If the disease is of the type that begins to have it's onset in adolescence, then common sense would say that it's from the child's envronment and choices.

[danihorseokay]

I'm a laymen by the way, from a poor family where both my parents have been in mental hospitals before, and I believe I have mental issues also (not schizophrenia, but close. my mom has schizo.) There are these things called Emotional Freedom Tequniques however and hypnotherapy, and lifestyle changes, and detox programs... maybe that could fix some mental issues? hey I'm just telling it like it is.

[ArtistIreland]

Very Intersting!.

[dexarouskies]

Somehow these are my exact thoughts on this topic. It's amazing, and I also noticed the total failure of the single gene theory, esp. now that they have run into a "shortage" of genes, with only 30,000 of them. IT seems like a parts list to me.

[psychetruth]

Actually, it's a parts list for the cell mostly. Once you get to the level of a cell, the cell becomes the basic building block of the body according to some type of body plan. There is obviously a body plan that the cells organize into. How that body plan is recorded is unknown. The cellular plan, by the way, is far more complex than the protein plan (DNA).

[psychetruth]

There have been no real treatment advances in psychiatry in many decades. The SSRIs are a slight step up since it's harder to OD on them older antidepressants but the suicide attempt rate has actually increased.

[lonewolfnz]

So basically to sum up you are saying that people actually choose to be schizophrenic, or gay, because you refuse to believe that there might be other factors involved?

What about the evidence that even when adopted out, a person who has had parents who had mental illnesses statistically has an increased chance to have the same illness as well. The statistics are there... so it is not so hard to reason then that perhaps genetics are involved?

[psychetruth]

I think people are molded by both their experiences and their decisions. You can beat a mental illness in to anyone w/ a enough abuse. I'm predisposed to prostrate cancer since I'm a man, doesn't mean I'm going to get it.

There is a great book about this called "The Gene Illusion" by Jay Joseph. The fact that it is an increased chance is proof that's it's not purely biological. There are environmental factors.

[ManSeekingMonkey]

You claim that statistics are evidence. Why because they normally are right, wheres the proof that they are right. We are conditioned to believe that statistics will come true. Besides they had proof many years ago that the world was flat. The proof was how can we all stand upright and not fall off a cyindrical object. Science constantly updates and nothing is certain.

[blaynestaley]

Doesn't this sort of contradict what Professor Breeding mentioned in an earlier video? I do believe in destiny, a certain framework if you will, and that we can make our own choices within that framework I guess. I could be wrong... but I do believe there is something to destiny.

[psychetruth]

Oh I don't think so. Certainly some people are born retarded. What you do with what you born with is free will though. Look at Helen Keller, she was handed horrible disabilities but over came them through will and determination. She is a great example of someone controlling her own destiny despite what life handed her.

[blaynestaley]

I understand that... nevermind

[raulitech]

The future does not exist, neither does the past since it already has happened and cannot be altered. The future does not exist, since it has not happened. The only thing in time that exists, is the very brief moment we live in now.

[ThOverdrive]

I can see into the future but my ability to do so is very weak...I can see approximately a 1/4 second into the future.

[raulitech]

LOL

[R4ndomCrap]

only 1/4? you must have a lot of accidents.

[ThOverdrive]

Actually one time a person weaved around a centre partition to illegally cross portage. I knew the centre divider was there and I had the white walk sign but as I stepped off the curve, I quickly stepped back on with hearing or seeing it and it zoomed right past me as I did.

1/4 of a second can make a huge difference.