@mikebeastdude i believe there is a God that created the Big Bang and created humans through evolution. Takes awhile to create a masterpiece. I like to think that God allows us to explore the world of science
@jjdelg Point taken, but the same could be said of historical and other claims in the Bible. Neither science or a religious world view are based totally on either faith or evidence: it is always a mixture of both. Besides, I really don't like framing the discussion that way. Science (not the community, mind you) is not exclusive from religious world views. I find it complimentary to it.
I liked the start of the review but isn't bias to say there is no god. You have no proof that god is in fact a projection. You may say that i have no proof of god but in fact i do. Look up the 5 proofs of St. Thomas on the proof of god. Reply back i want to hear your view
@mikebeastdude I can't say for myself that there is no god or there is. There is no proofs of there being or not being a god. Has anyone seen God, while not having illusions of seeing him? Religion is Faith, so if you have no faith then there is no god, but if you do have faith, then there is a god. There is only a god to those who believe there is, and there is no god to those who don't believe there is.. Because it's based off faith, not proof.
@cappapagoooo No, it's clear you don't know how to spell, even in the age of auto-correct, which is shameful in the extreme. "Immaginary" is not a word, "imaginary" is, and is a suitable description of your infantile fancies.
"god" is never a reference to the Supreme Being believed to have created everything. When you talk of a "god" you are talking of a far more limited being. It is a childish attempt by atheists to be disrespectful on the sly.
@palermo131 just a typo. both god and God are nonexisent like everything else there is no evidence for. If you want to claim there is a god all your work is still ahead of you
They levels wern't all crazy because the girl designed them and then fischer's defense filled them and that's why they were not all psychedelic and shit. Because they built their own dream levels
@anshiman "Unconscious" is the term Jung uses to describe the vast majority of the workings of the mind that are not conscious. Jungian analysts might use the term "subconscious" to describe something between the unconscious and the conscious mind like inklings of a thought forming and then consciously experienced as thought. Or something like that (I'm not an expert).
lol wtf? what layers? This was a fucking heist movie with pseudo-intellectual garbage that only the most gullible would buy as an engaging plot- oh wait, that was like everyone except the new yorker...you people probably actually believe we only use 10 percent of our brain, or that a script that repeatedly and obviously points out its plot or furthers a plot point in an obtrusive way is well written. no motivation, poor acting, no depth, and the baffling casting decision of juno girl.
Great review brother, and great movie, I agree on every level with you except the "God" part. I am not attempting to sway you in any sort but personally I know, and my "self" knows that their is a force/energy in my creative mind that came from some other force/energy that is the same force/energy that created the Earth and that has been proven scientifically. I also "know" that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.
This film went straight to my top 10. I saw it 4 times in the theatre. My viewings were at 2 different drive-ins and 2 different indoor theatres; during both of the drive-in viewings, I fell asleep. Hence, another layer of dream was added as the film influenced my dreams. (*gong)
I love the Matrix trilogy too, but liked Inception better, by a nose. Seems it was more universal, and, obviously, the overall presentation was more concise, hence a more visceral urgency.. more exciting.
"The unconscious if not listened to will snarl and trip you like a cat when your carrying heavy groceries. If you repress, abandon and reject aspects of yourself they will rise up and opposed you. Thus calm self-awareness, self-acceptance, spontaneity and negotiation with ones self is essential in order to live a healthy and happy mental and emotional life."
- Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio.
Profound wisdom just effortlessly spills forth, you are a great, great dude, dude. :-)
id like to comment on what you have to say about conflicts in dreams.
i disagree, when i dream of conflict, if i have to fight someone hand to hand, i can hit the person with all my might and it doesnt phase them, but being deeply obsessed with close quarters combat, door to door warfare if you will, iv had some very intense dreams of raiding a building with a team of 4 and being faced against a truck with a minigun shooting at us, very intense dream, and it happens regularly.
Awesome review! I also liked the last part, where you have explained about self exploration and projection of God. Thats are very reasonable logical derivation. Atheists are much better and courteous people than religious fanatics. But the mystery still remains, about whether there is God or not . What if there is God ?
Don't appreciate you pressing your beliefs of 'no god' onto everyone else. Self-discovery is subjective. Maybe your self-cultivation led you to believe that there is no god. But it certainly is not the same for everyone else.
I understand your views on the fighting scenes but you have to remember its also an action movie and not just a philosophy movie, it would be kinda boring if they were fighting against something irrelevant like work or school things.
i love these kind of movies were you have to stop and think about what it all means in philisophical way not just as they show it to you in the movie. not like the romantic comedys or action thrillers so beloved by the public.
Each time I've watched the film, I've picked up on more and more of its philosophical undertones... now you make me want to watch it again! Excellent review.
I believe that Leonardo DiCaprio dressing his wife in sequel. because his wife memory like posses him. And sequel is like comedy wher thy piss ing in dreams lot
agreed... not as good as the matrix, and had many flaws. good premise (not great) poorly executed and cgi dependent. disappointing.
as one who knows god exists i'd also like to say - you're right. most people do use sub-conscious imagination as evidence in god. they testify god is real because of their many manipulative imaginations. funny how it's always to the end of money and fame.
but there are those who have heard god and testify not for money or fame but only because it's the truth
But Stef, in a previous video you declared all Hollywood movies to be government propaganda on the basis of the labor unions that work to bring these things to our screens.
Quote:
"Every movie that is made, is made with government controlled and protected labor unions
"It's a quasi-public sector that makes these things
"It's just propaganda
"look at the biases of the people who are presenting the information"
Did you get it wrong or did this one slip through the propaganda net?
Re: the "bus" bit: it wasn't only the "outside" world that affected the dreamers- the van bit that goes on for most of the movie, and is the reason for the rolling and freefall, is, if you recall, 1 (ostensible) level down (where the chemist is the dreamer).
@MoskowFreak1111 what was your take on the movie? curious...i saw it and was quite overwhelmed w/ the fight scenes...nothing like my dreams or unconscious, but liked it for the same reasons steph talks about.
Surely the question for a philosopher is the content that is being projected, rather than just the mechanism you seem to put your faith in. Once, God was a angry patriarch. More recently, He was Chairman of the board. Now, what have the post-moderns made of him?
Just saw this movie today. I'm pretty sure Nolan just was all like, "Lets make a movie that when it ends it was all a dream, but with a shitload of special effects."
As with anything you want, you can apply any philosophy to it and with some skill, spin it to your liking. Much like "Momento" there were a lot of holes in the plot, good flick, but not really something I would look to explain via philosophy. "Mulholland Drive", although not my favorite Lynch film, is much more discussion worthy
Just saw this move. Great stuff, it really tickled my brain :) Also I thought of how much I've learned about philosophy and psychology watching these vids and listening to podcasts. Love it.
With Mulholland Drive, as a moviegoer, you're confronted with your unconscious motives and feelings. You're challenged. Inception doesn't challenge at all, because nothing about the movie touches your unconscious. Mulholland Drive has an underlying story that is completely rational and very human of a formerly abused young woman who goes to Hollywood to become an actress only to be re-abused and used. She commits murder and suicide. She can't consciously face the truth of her trauma.
Talk about projection. Stef, you've projected all your favorite ideas onto Inception.
Compare Inception to Mulholland Drive in which you experience projection and unconscious yourself, as the director uses subtle cues that the dream is starting. Later you experience disillusionment as the director ends the dream and reveals the true facts. Inception is so inert. It only engages the conscious. It doesn't touch your unconscious, so you can't get any closer to understanding how the two relate.
I haven't seen Inception, but what you say reminds me of Waking Life. Other ways of confirming dream state is trying to change light levels (flicking a light switch) or reading.
I agree that the first matrix was better. I thought inception was interesting insofar as the idea of exploring dreams is interesting, but the characters were bloodless, and the there was too much pointless and cluttered 'action'. I would have much preferred more in depth character development and more detail on how the dreamwalking works and how it affects people. Also I like the idea of deeper layers being more surreal - not guys on snowmobiles.
I really like that the Rothschild Ashkenazim did make a dichotomy between red and blue, and i liked the fear factor of giving up on the concept that we are being manipulated, and also the good use of trains and claustrophobia. If this is good for you then you are giving you intellect away into accepting having a washed brain? ie "If they make an anarchist movie" i can live in or accept the dream of the rejectors of humanity. I loved being a reject! Yay, philosophy will stop my anger if you make!
@aghoranathi I was an atheist until i heard the illuminati speak about freedom from god, and the more i understand the earth ghost the more i care for the heart ghost! If u want the Rothschild atheist Greenpeace bullshit then do not find ur heart but if, u would like to escape, discover the common dream of awake that is yours and mine shared, and no way manufactured! Cynical has let us here, and cynical could leave you here.
Maybe your subconscious is telling you there is a God because God put it there, and by you supressing it you are actually rejecting God. Hmmmmm did you ever think of that?
@Jerome112 Suppressed unconscious thoughts are installed by experiences of interacting with the physical world. For example, if your mother screamed every time she saw a spider you would develop a fear of them too because human beings are learning machines. If a preacher, teacher, or parent scares a child by teaching them of hell and punishment that child could be brainwashed for life. It's a very simple and effect hypnotic tactic, don't think of blue. See, you thought of blue didn't you?
They never had to convince her, or anyone, that it was actually a good idea to get the rich guy to break up his father’s empire. Why does time get slower when they go into a dream within a dream? It’s still just one person’s dream isn’t it? It shouldn’t matter how many fake layers the architect takes them through, should it? Basically, I felt, like you said, that it should have been more impressionistic and less structured. All of these things pulled me out of the movie.
So, for the unconscious to be so sensitive to inconsistencies in the physics of the dream world, seems very unrealistic to me. Why did Leo's wife want to stay in the dream world, while he retained perfect knowledge of their children and the real world during their 50 years in limbo. Why does the unconscious keep its secrets in a physical vault for everyone? Isn’t that just a little too convenient? Why did Ellen Paige’s character join them in this crazy caper?
I agree with everything you've said, Stef, about the merits of the film, but I don't think they were nearly enough to counterbalance the glaring plot holes and lack of understandable motivations for the characters other than Leo's. That snow fight scene was just pathetic. The dreams were way too rule-bound. They didn't feel like dreams whatsoever. There was far too much continuity to resemble a dream at all. Many people fly in their dreams, without realizing it's a dream until they wake up
@thesystemsfailed Why the heck do you call that a straw man? What's the difference between being just plain wrong and setting a straw man? And how would someone distinguish between their unconscious (or conscious) mind and God revelation? If I tell you there's a mad man who thinks he is Napoleon, would you answer me saying it's a straw man because the guy is not mad and he's really Napoleon?!
@thesystemsfailed (cont.) But I understand your last statement. The religion thing popping out at the end was strange - it seemed like one of those movies reviews made by some christians.
@thesystemsfailed That's not an example of a straw man: that would be guilt by association fallacy - he did not do it and he did not say christians are lowly or mad people. Believing that the belief in the existence of a God is a flawed idea is not a straw man - it's not a misrepresentation of the theists beliefs: it's an opinion about their beliefs. Everyone has a tone of superiority when we don't like them.
@pedroamaralcouto I suppose so and withdraw my earlier comments. There's something about it all that just seems unsound to me and I guess I'm not quite intelligent enough enough to identify what.
Stef, you might enjoy Daybreakers. It's a recent vampire movie that gets pretty gory at parts, but seemed to be steeped in social commentary and true/false self metaphors when I saw it. I'd love to see your analysis of it.
I'm surprised you had no comments on the fact that the whole mission was to get this energy mogul dude to break up his monopolistic empire so the Asian guy could compete. Kinda says something about the makers' opinions of the "free market," right?
@RussellsParadox Yet that may not have actually succeeded. I mean, the mission did (more or less), but the result was that he would dedicate himself to improving the company, right?
@RussellsParadox so true! well, the government is hollywood's major financier now, so for the next several years we'll see much more propaganda so hollywood can lobby for more subsides
@RussellsParadox Not just compete with, totally obliterate the competition. Make your opponent destroy himself. I don't think there were any anti-capitalist sentiments at play here, really.
Just after I saw the movie I was wondering if you'd do a review--lo' and behold, here it is! I started to wonder part way through the film if you were on the writing staff...haha
I also liked the fact that God wasn't really a part the discussion of layers of consciousness or being in this film. It's rare to see a movie that deals with such large themes that doesn't throw in "the sky ghost." Thanks for the review--good to hear your thoughts!
At 11:00: "A calm, self awareness, self acceptance, spontaneity and negotiation with the self is essential to have a healthy and happy mental life" Brilliant statement. Thank you.
Was on the fence about going out for this one or waiting to see at home, now I'm convinced to go out see it. Yeah it's hard to beat the Matrix but looking forward to see a movie that explores the subconscious and dream state of mind.
The most profound comment in this review is that religious people mistake the functioning of their unconscious mind for "God". Being attuned with body and mind makes total health possible. The next step, IMO is unlimited human life span. Interestingly, this seems to be the goal of the rich and powerful who currently control government.
@jdx41 I found this profound as well! Although...this is an ancient story line and you can read it in the best selling book of all time. Satan's first lie was that we could be just like a "god". And the next step was the "tree" of eternal life, which we were cut off from. Amazing how these lies are still are so powerful and pull so many people in.
Stef, you have a good taste in movies. Did you see Dark City? It is more than 10 years old but worth watching if you never saw it :) It is also about dreams and never knowing what is reality.
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Its funny that you say its a better film than you could write when you have written some films (short youtube videos at least) which are far superior. If only we get get Leo to star in one of your videos on freedom and get it to the big screen
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally occurring hallucinogenic drug of the tryptamine family. This drug is found not only in many plants[1], but also in trace amounts in the human body, where its natural function remains undetermined.
I sympathize with you when you say the fights were retarded & that the conflicts were too prosaic according to the titanic issue of the unconscious.But i also have some critique here:As an agnostic i can't say NO to God & afterlive but to reduce God into nothing more than the unconscious is too banal,like the childlevelbelief of many"God"followers.We just don't know about afterlive & everything we assume about it is just a mental construct.
What's a good degree of selfknowledge?To know this degree in quantitative measures & say it's good(enough?)selfknowledge would mean 2 know the whole spectrum,so that you can know,where 2 place yourself on that scale.This would mean 2 believe in 1self as allknowing(=God?).Hmmm!the classification of worldviews in2 science,philosophy,religion,ideology etc. is questionable in itself,but 2 judge Religion as an illusion makes only sense 2 me if we classify every thought construct n life s an illusion.
The mental cathegory Religion is in my understanding not reducable 2 n idea f an outaspace bigdaddy who'll fix it all but doesn't.There r many different forms f Religions & in every 1 f those we can explore different layers & depths f understanding.2 deny that,is a counterbelief & by doing so just another beliefsystem on the level 1 reduces the other.It's like 2 people who hav a problem 2 solve an equation & 1 says i believe in the solution & the other 1 says i don't.What's the 3rd way?
things fall down around me, seems so real, yet reality is our dream and a few are awake in it, while many sleepwalk, having a dream within the dream that is illusion. Have a grand day! Back to gardening i go.
Thank you for always giving excellent presentations.
Mind is the fractal or the mirror projecting in to a mirror. Who is to say how far the fractial goes because from one level the fractal is a mess of chaos and from another is is in compleate order. The level of the fractial you perceive is the projections you spew in to the world. If it is the "you" that is watching your self think. Then who is the "you" that is watching the "you" that is watching your self think?
I liked the old George MacDonald fantasy story where as the hero in effect goes deeper into the "unconscious," the characters he encounters become more and more childlike and yet not childlike because they have these primitive yet magical presences and are super-powerful.
The first law of thermodynamics, an expression of the principle of conservation of energy, states that energy can be transformed, But cannot be created or destroyed
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A neuron (also known as a neurone or nerve cell) is an electrically excitable cell that processes and transmits information by electrical and chemical signaling.
The energy in the neuron can not be destroyed or created. Death is an illusion, There is only a transformation from 1 state to a nother.
Have you considered that consciousness may be an emergent property of certain configurations of matter and energy and that when those configurations are disrupted the consciousness ceases to exist even though the individual components still exist in some form.
Like if you run a car through a shredder the matter that made up the car still exists, but the pile of scrap is in no way a car and has none of the function of a car. The same is true when your neurochemistry goes south.
"Like if you run a car through a shredder the matter that made up the car still exists, but the pile of scrap is in no way a car and has none of the function of a car. The same is true when your neurochemistry goes south."
@FlailingJunk When the car is shredder it still exsists in all its multipal parts it dose not retract from that it was a car or could be a car again. It may not function as a car or even resemble a car but has been transformed in to some thing else but all ways has the potential of being a car again. When the mind is splintered it is called Schizophrenia it dose not resemble the ego driven mind, but can be put back together. The mind being made of energy, follows the first law of thermodynamics
@FlailingJunk There are many different types of mind and Consciousness. The ego driven is not nessecerely they best. But could be precived as a defence mechanisms in of it self. Each cell has its own mind as well has having an inteligence and Consciousness all of its own. The ego judging the cells Consciousness
is like the mountian telling the rocks at the base that they are not important and they dont matter. The cell judging the energy that brought it in to being is the same problem.
@FlailingJunk Mind (pronounced /ˈmaɪnd/) is the aspect of intellect and consciousness experienced as combinations of thought, perception, memory, emotion, will and imagination, including all unconscious cognitive processes. The term is often used to refer, by implication, to the thought processes of reason. Mind manifests itself subjectively as a stream of consciousness.
Cell Memory Permits the Development of Complex Patterns
The Cells of the Vertebrate Body Exhibit More Than 200 Different Modes of Specialization
Innovations in movement, sensory detection, communication, social organization - all enabled eucaryotic organisms to compete, propagate, and survive in ever more complex ways
Single cells have ther own mind. please see "Molecular Biology of the Cell, Fourth Edition
That passage is available on google books and the author was clearly referring to plants and animals which are in the kingdom eukaryote not single cell eukaryotes
The hypothesis also known as the Single Neuron Theory of Consciousness arose from the simple strategy of trying to find an explanation for awareness that fits with what we know about the physics of the brain. There appears to be only one option that works; that each brain cell is aware separately. Although this may seem to conflict with our experience it almost certainly does not.
The Mountain Judging the rocks at the bottem again !
@LastReplaySC Don't presume to understand my definition of "you" or "I" as I have not defined it yet. How ever I will now.
The theory of the organism-environment system starts with the proposition that in any functional sense organism and environment are inseparable and form only one unitary system. The organism cannot exist without the environment and the environment has descriptive properties only if it is connected to the organism. My "I" is the totality of the system. My Ego is illusion.
it's astonishing that "EGO's" manage to create such an unessasary deadly Violent inviroment for each other and ones self as a whole.....!
why go through thought theory patterns, if the answere is known and down to "I", "You", "me"! PS: the overall enviroment can exist without "i", " you" and or your/our "ego"!
Intelligence and knowledge does not garanty survival as a whole in any form what so ever. You can define anything to what you dream of. How was it before you were born? ?!?!?
@LastReplaySC How was it before you were born? ?!?!? I ask my self this all most on a daily basis. I also ask how did I feel be for I was born. As I would imagine that I might feel the same way after death. Cheers
i already saw the movie, and the director planted enough evidence in it to support the idea that Cobb is sleeping as he did for it all to support that it actually happened.
I saw this movie on the 17th and last night I had a "2 layered" dream. I have had one of these dreams before but not for a long time. I think the movie induced it. The first dream I woke out of because I fell down a small staircase. Then, I awoke (to what I presently call reality) from the second dream, because I tried remembering how I arrived at my location and I couldn't (like in the movie) and I quickly realized I was still dreaming. So weird.
@stefbot one thing I thought about was when he went to see the doctor about the strong drug they needed for their mission; remember when he went to the restroom and when he spun his totem, and the Japanese guy opened the door and peeked in and De Caprio knocked his totem over? we never get to see the totem falter on its own or see it continuously spin. How do we know, whether the dream didn't begin then, instead of later? what do you think?
Stef do you believe in Evil unseen Entities AKA demons because pretty much the only thing i dont agree with you on is your atheism Satan is the god of this world and is under the control of the creator of the universe
you say that you like how there is the lingering Q of whether or not we are in reality, but then say you wanted the dreams to be crazy...like dreams. That wouldnt work. the extraction crew has to create a world that feels real, even undreamlike. They need to be in control. not the mark's subconscious. nolan said himself that theres a comedy in the story where dreams can be all....dreamlike. but hes not interested in that.
I don't know whether or not Stefan reads his own comments, but if you do, I'd like to know what your reasoning is behind the belief that consciousness resides in each person's mind, suggesting there is more than one consciousness vs the belief that there is only one consciousness shared by all living beings. I guess I'd just like to know what is your thought process that led you to believe that when we die, so does our consciousness. Thanks.
@HigherPlanes hey, well maybe i can help u with that. answer me this. if all other humans other than your self died tomorrow, and lets say u got on a space ship and flew to the middle of nowhere in space, would u stil be conscious? assuming u had food and ur brain didnt explode from the travel or what not. we know the consciousnes is in the body, because when the brain dies so does the mind, or what we recognize as the self. electricity stops in the brain, and the ghost int he machine goes.
@pelucas716 To answer your question, "would I still be conscious in the middle of space if I were the only one alive?" Yes, I believe I would be. And with all due respect, we DON'T know that consciousness resides in the body, because currently there is no scientific test to answer that question. I believe that consciousness may be in another dimension, that there is only one consciousness, and every living being "drinks" from that pool. And although the body dies, consciousness doesn't
@HigherPlanes ok, so u r saying that there is no evidence that consciousnes resides in the brain, and that there is evidence that conscousness resides in a pool outisde of the universe that every one drinks from with.. uhm invisible straws?? ( i added that last part for comidic effect) : ) oh and u didnt answer my other question. lets see. would u stil be consciouse than after u die? how do u know that? evidence?
@pelucas716 Don't twist my words. I said that that there is no evidence to support either view. My personal opinion is that consciousness IS what we are. We're not flesh, we're not our personalities, we're not our ego. I believe that our true self IS consciousness. Your true self never dies. Your true self is consciousness. I've come to this conclusion after a lot of exploring, reading, experimenting... Do I have evidence for this? Yes, personal experiences. Is it conclusive? No.
@HigherPlanes k well, if we really want to debate about this than we need to start with some definitions. how do u define consciousness? here's what wikki sais. :Consciousness is variously defined as subjective experience, or awareness, or wakefulness, or the executive control system of the mind. i would agree with this. do u ? if not how do u define it. because if we have no definition than we r debating over whether or no Adam had a bely button, or in other terms over nonsense.
@pelucas716 Ok, I'm game. As for the definition, I agree for the most part, except for that portion that states, "consciousness is defined as a subjective experience." I disagree with that! The ego is subjective, it encompasses our desires, emotions, beliefs, expressions of personality, etc... On the other hand, when consciousness is unadulterated, free of ego, it is objective. Does that make sense? For example, as a baby, you were conscious, but your experience of the world was very objective.
@HigherPlanes uhm, well i agree with all the subjective aspects of it, but i didnt understand much from there. can u tell me what u mean by 'unadulterated' , free of ego, specially the definition of what ego is. and uhm also how u know that the experience of a baby was objective? tho u might wanna leave that last one for later. pls be patient with my, im like a 4 year old in a candy store with this, i wanna try every piece and make sure my tounge understands it. :_)
@mikebeastdude i believe there is a God that created the Big Bang and created humans through evolution. Takes awhile to create a masterpiece. I like to think that God allows us to explore the world of science
jjdelg 6 days ago
@palermo131 yes, but religion is based totally off of faith. Science can be observed, tested, and proven in certain scenarios.
jjdelg 6 days ago
@jjdelg Point taken, but the same could be said of historical and other claims in the Bible. Neither science or a religious world view are based totally on either faith or evidence: it is always a mixture of both. Besides, I really don't like framing the discussion that way. Science (not the community, mind you) is not exclusive from religious world views. I find it complimentary to it.
palermo131 2 days ago
I liked the start of the review but isn't bias to say there is no god. You have no proof that god is in fact a projection. You may say that i have no proof of god but in fact i do. Look up the 5 proofs of St. Thomas on the proof of god. Reply back i want to hear your view
mikebeastdude 1 month ago
@mikebeastdude I can't say for myself that there is no god or there is. There is no proofs of there being or not being a god. Has anyone seen God, while not having illusions of seeing him? Religion is Faith, so if you have no faith then there is no god, but if you do have faith, then there is a god. There is only a god to those who believe there is, and there is no god to those who don't believe there is.. Because it's based off faith, not proof.
jjdelg 1 week ago
@jjdelg Faith is required to adhere to some of the claims of "science" too.
palermo131 6 days ago
You bring up so, so many good points. Jolly good.
andrewXransom 1 month ago
God is an illusionary projection? What proof is there of that?
palermo131 1 month ago
@palermo131 no evidence for god?
cappapagoooo 2 weeks ago
@cappapagoooo The whole material plane is evidence for God, genius. It's God with a capital 'g', or can't you spell?
palermo131 6 days ago
@palermo131 no i just tend to not capitalize immaginary things
cappapagoooo 6 days ago
@cappapagoooo No, it's clear you don't know how to spell, even in the age of auto-correct, which is shameful in the extreme. "Immaginary" is not a word, "imaginary" is, and is a suitable description of your infantile fancies.
"god" is never a reference to the Supreme Being believed to have created everything. When you talk of a "god" you are talking of a far more limited being. It is a childish attempt by atheists to be disrespectful on the sly.
palermo131 2 days ago
@palermo131 just a typo. both god and God are nonexisent like everything else there is no evidence for. If you want to claim there is a god all your work is still ahead of you
cappapagoooo 2 days ago
i just lost interest when you said that the matrix is better than inception.... the matrix sucks...
zombieboy3000 1 month ago
They levels wern't all crazy because the girl designed them and then fischer's defense filled them and that's why they were not all psychedelic and shit. Because they built their own dream levels
MrSamuelini1995 2 months ago 3
they developed the dream levels dude
CrazyCornhuskerFan 2 months ago
Self knowledge is everything huh? then i better get me some.
sonofagunM357 3 months ago
she is WAY hotter pregnant
vtran31 4 months ago 6
so, if you think inception is that bad, what do you say about the Grand Daddy of all those movies, the matrix??
yechris2001 4 months ago
SUBconscious, not UNconscious
anshiman 5 months ago 8
@anshiman "Unconscious" is the term Jung uses to describe the vast majority of the workings of the mind that are not conscious. Jungian analysts might use the term "subconscious" to describe something between the unconscious and the conscious mind like inklings of a thought forming and then consciously experienced as thought. Or something like that (I'm not an expert).
blapgatify 1 month ago
These reviews are your best videos
reliberate1991 5 months ago
lol wtf? what layers? This was a fucking heist movie with pseudo-intellectual garbage that only the most gullible would buy as an engaging plot- oh wait, that was like everyone except the new yorker...you people probably actually believe we only use 10 percent of our brain, or that a script that repeatedly and obviously points out its plot or furthers a plot point in an obtrusive way is well written. no motivation, poor acting, no depth, and the baffling casting decision of juno girl.
variously2 6 months ago
@variously2 Wow, you must have been watching something else. POOR ACTING??? PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL GARBAGE??? You're clearly dreaming...
benpen92 5 months ago
@benpen92 Man don't listen to him, he's just a hater :P. Christopher Nolan is the best, that's it.
jesuislepluscool 3 months ago
Great review brother, and great movie, I agree on every level with you except the "God" part. I am not attempting to sway you in any sort but personally I know, and my "self" knows that their is a force/energy in my creative mind that came from some other force/energy that is the same force/energy that created the Earth and that has been proven scientifically. I also "know" that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.
perceptionsevrything 8 months ago
This film went straight to my top 10. I saw it 4 times in the theatre. My viewings were at 2 different drive-ins and 2 different indoor theatres; during both of the drive-in viewings, I fell asleep. Hence, another layer of dream was added as the film influenced my dreams. (*gong)
I love the Matrix trilogy too, but liked Inception better, by a nose. Seems it was more universal, and, obviously, the overall presentation was more concise, hence a more visceral urgency.. more exciting.
plarfusa 9 months ago
I dont think of it as the unconscience and conscience but subconscience and the conscience as a filter.
deshaebeasley 9 months ago
"The unconscious if not listened to will snarl and trip you like a cat when your carrying heavy groceries. If you repress, abandon and reject aspects of yourself they will rise up and opposed you. Thus calm self-awareness, self-acceptance, spontaneity and negotiation with ones self is essential in order to live a healthy and happy mental and emotional life."
- Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio.
Profound wisdom just effortlessly spills forth, you are a great, great dude, dude. :-)
Winobie75 10 months ago
id like to comment on what you have to say about conflicts in dreams.
i disagree, when i dream of conflict, if i have to fight someone hand to hand, i can hit the person with all my might and it doesnt phase them, but being deeply obsessed with close quarters combat, door to door warfare if you will, iv had some very intense dreams of raiding a building with a team of 4 and being faced against a truck with a minigun shooting at us, very intense dream, and it happens regularly.
574R5CR34M 11 months ago
The matrix suckssssss!!!! and its all opinion soo gotta respect it... but inception was for my taste. :) matrix ehhh.. but good review.
Tyricojackson1 1 year ago
Awesome review! I also liked the last part, where you have explained about self exploration and projection of God. Thats are very reasonable logical derivation. Atheists are much better and courteous people than religious fanatics. But the mystery still remains, about whether there is God or not . What if there is God ?
proarki1 1 year ago
5:32 you said that that didn't happen in the bottom level. That's because it isn't the bottom level. It's was limbo.
alektheman123 1 year ago
Don't appreciate you pressing your beliefs of 'no god' onto everyone else. Self-discovery is subjective. Maybe your self-cultivation led you to believe that there is no god. But it certainly is not the same for everyone else.
FastMovinTrain 1 year ago
I understand your views on the fighting scenes but you have to remember its also an action movie and not just a philosophy movie, it would be kinda boring if they were fighting against something irrelevant like work or school things.
felix123123 1 year ago
i love these kind of movies were you have to stop and think about what it all means in philisophical way not just as they show it to you in the movie. not like the romantic comedys or action thrillers so beloved by the public.
frikodian 1 year ago
Yeah, I agree. It was a good film. Also, yes, the dreams were not weird and surreal enough. Well, nice video.
natedaug1 1 year ago
Each time I've watched the film, I've picked up on more and more of its philosophical undertones... now you make me want to watch it again! Excellent review.
cheeseit126 1 year ago
I believe that Leonardo DiCaprio dressing his wife in sequel. because his wife memory like posses him. And sequel is like comedy wher thy piss ing in dreams lot
s3condwind 1 year ago
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s3condwind 1 year ago
Love this video and sharing with friends.
AirplaneRadio 1 year ago
agreed... not as good as the matrix, and had many flaws. good premise (not great) poorly executed and cgi dependent. disappointing.
as one who knows god exists i'd also like to say - you're right. most people do use sub-conscious imagination as evidence in god. they testify god is real because of their many manipulative imaginations. funny how it's always to the end of money and fame.
but there are those who have heard god and testify not for money or fame but only because it's the truth
rtardbox 1 year ago
@rtardbox
You've actually heard God?
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@RPFS2008 yes
rtardbox 1 year ago
@rtardbox
as in you heard a voice? an audible voice?
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@RPFS2008 more pure, but yes. language and sound but enhanced and more direct... like digital direct to the auditory nerves... but, yes
rtardbox 1 year ago
@rtardbox
*backs away slowly*
RPFS2008 1 year ago
But Stef, in a previous video you declared all Hollywood movies to be government propaganda on the basis of the labor unions that work to bring these things to our screens.
Quote:
"Every movie that is made, is made with government controlled and protected labor unions
"It's a quasi-public sector that makes these things
"It's just propaganda
"look at the biases of the people who are presenting the information"
Did you get it wrong or did this one slip through the propaganda net?
billburns2 1 year ago
"The chick who looks hot when she's not pregnant." lol
hemna 1 year ago
Stef, you're like a bald Max Headroom. You sound like him too, without the stutters of course.
burlearth 1 year ago
as far as the dreams not being all crazy and weird you have to remember that they were lucid dreaming. So they were in some control.
acebrawler73 1 year ago
Jeepers, I thought this movie was SO much better than the Matrix. Why did you like that movie more?
CineRam 1 year ago
Re: the "bus" bit: it wasn't only the "outside" world that affected the dreamers- the van bit that goes on for most of the movie, and is the reason for the rolling and freefall, is, if you recall, 1 (ostensible) level down (where the chemist is the dreamer).
momerath42 1 year ago
u dont get it
MoskowFreak1111 1 year ago
@MoskowFreak1111 what was your take on the movie? curious...i saw it and was quite overwhelmed w/ the fight scenes...nothing like my dreams or unconscious, but liked it for the same reasons steph talks about.
medini2 1 year ago
yes
tosullivan15 1 year ago
Re: God and the Unconscious: How do you know?
Surely the question for a philosopher is the content that is being projected, rather than just the mechanism you seem to put your faith in. Once, God was a angry patriarch. More recently, He was Chairman of the board. Now, what have the post-moderns made of him?
Honestly curious.
BugsMr123 1 year ago
Just saw this movie today. I'm pretty sure Nolan just was all like, "Lets make a movie that when it ends it was all a dream, but with a shitload of special effects."
As with anything you want, you can apply any philosophy to it and with some skill, spin it to your liking. Much like "Momento" there were a lot of holes in the plot, good flick, but not really something I would look to explain via philosophy. "Mulholland Drive", although not my favorite Lynch film, is much more discussion worthy
Redvisorman 1 year ago
Just saw this move. Great stuff, it really tickled my brain :) Also I thought of how much I've learned about philosophy and psychology watching these vids and listening to podcasts. Love it.
Zerafinel 1 year ago
With Mulholland Drive, as a moviegoer, you're confronted with your unconscious motives and feelings. You're challenged. Inception doesn't challenge at all, because nothing about the movie touches your unconscious. Mulholland Drive has an underlying story that is completely rational and very human of a formerly abused young woman who goes to Hollywood to become an actress only to be re-abused and used. She commits murder and suicide. She can't consciously face the truth of her trauma.
jeromek10 1 year ago
Talk about projection. Stef, you've projected all your favorite ideas onto Inception.
Compare Inception to Mulholland Drive in which you experience projection and unconscious yourself, as the director uses subtle cues that the dream is starting. Later you experience disillusionment as the director ends the dream and reveals the true facts. Inception is so inert. It only engages the conscious. It doesn't touch your unconscious, so you can't get any closer to understanding how the two relate.
jeromek10 1 year ago
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jeromek10 1 year ago
I haven't seen Inception, but what you say reminds me of Waking Life. Other ways of confirming dream state is trying to change light levels (flicking a light switch) or reading.
JizzonTheDark 1 year ago
I agree that the first matrix was better. I thought inception was interesting insofar as the idea of exploring dreams is interesting, but the characters were bloodless, and the there was too much pointless and cluttered 'action'. I would have much preferred more in depth character development and more detail on how the dreamwalking works and how it affects people. Also I like the idea of deeper layers being more surreal - not guys on snowmobiles.
laskji 1 year ago
Inception is much better than The Matrix.
hidden3717 1 year ago
I really like that the Rothschild Ashkenazim did make a dichotomy between red and blue, and i liked the fear factor of giving up on the concept that we are being manipulated, and also the good use of trains and claustrophobia. If this is good for you then you are giving you intellect away into accepting having a washed brain? ie "If they make an anarchist movie" i can live in or accept the dream of the rejectors of humanity. I loved being a reject! Yay, philosophy will stop my anger if you make!
aghoranathi 1 year ago
@aghoranathi I was an atheist until i heard the illuminati speak about freedom from god, and the more i understand the earth ghost the more i care for the heart ghost! If u want the Rothschild atheist Greenpeace bullshit then do not find ur heart but if, u would like to escape, discover the common dream of awake that is yours and mine shared, and no way manufactured! Cynical has let us here, and cynical could leave you here.
aghoranathi 1 year ago
@aghoranathi
Are you high?
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@RPFS2008 yes actually i was drunk, i do not remember posting that crazy shit brother :P
aghoranathi 1 year ago
Maybe your subconscious is telling you there is a God because God put it there, and by you supressing it you are actually rejecting God. Hmmmmm did you ever think of that?
Jerome112 1 year ago 2
@Jerome112 Suppressed unconscious thoughts are installed by experiences of interacting with the physical world. For example, if your mother screamed every time she saw a spider you would develop a fear of them too because human beings are learning machines. If a preacher, teacher, or parent scares a child by teaching them of hell and punishment that child could be brainwashed for life. It's a very simple and effect hypnotic tactic, don't think of blue. See, you thought of blue didn't you?
frostyuk2007 1 year ago
@frostyuk2007
"don't think of blue. See, you thought of blue didn't you?"
I thought of porn :)
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@RPFS2008 Oh I'm always thinking of porn haha
frostyuk2007 1 year ago
@Jerome112 maybe you're nuts?
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
@Jerome112 for more information, read some Isaac asimov about origin of religion ;) (especially THE FOUNDATION)
ignivomeflame 1 year ago
@Jerome112 for more information, read some Isaac asimov about origin of religion ;) (especially THE FOUNDATION)
ignivomeflame 1 year ago
They never had to convince her, or anyone, that it was actually a good idea to get the rich guy to break up his father’s empire. Why does time get slower when they go into a dream within a dream? It’s still just one person’s dream isn’t it? It shouldn’t matter how many fake layers the architect takes them through, should it? Basically, I felt, like you said, that it should have been more impressionistic and less structured. All of these things pulled me out of the movie.
errorspending 1 year ago
So, for the unconscious to be so sensitive to inconsistencies in the physics of the dream world, seems very unrealistic to me. Why did Leo's wife want to stay in the dream world, while he retained perfect knowledge of their children and the real world during their 50 years in limbo. Why does the unconscious keep its secrets in a physical vault for everyone? Isn’t that just a little too convenient? Why did Ellen Paige’s character join them in this crazy caper?
errorspending 1 year ago
@errorspending Leo's wife wanted to stay because she hide her token away so that she would forget what she was experiencing (limbo) wasn't real.
Shacktuube 1 year ago
I agree with everything you've said, Stef, about the merits of the film, but I don't think they were nearly enough to counterbalance the glaring plot holes and lack of understandable motivations for the characters other than Leo's. That snow fight scene was just pathetic. The dreams were way too rule-bound. They didn't feel like dreams whatsoever. There was far too much continuity to resemble a dream at all. Many people fly in their dreams, without realizing it's a dream until they wake up
errorspending 1 year ago
@errorspending I believe She wanted to stay because she forgot that it was a dream world. She hid away her token for this purpose...
Shacktuube 1 year ago
totally subscribed. you are pretty cool.
you need more views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mynameaborat993 1 year ago
yawn~!
irvnz 1 year ago
If Christianity is a crutch, please give me two :-)
pipbuster 1 year ago
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thesystemsfailed 1 year ago 5
@thesystemsfailed Why the heck do you call that a straw man? What's the difference between being just plain wrong and setting a straw man? And how would someone distinguish between their unconscious (or conscious) mind and God revelation? If I tell you there's a mad man who thinks he is Napoleon, would you answer me saying it's a straw man because the guy is not mad and he's really Napoleon?!
pedroamaralcouto 1 year ago
@thesystemsfailed (cont.) But I understand your last statement. The religion thing popping out at the end was strange - it seemed like one of those movies reviews made by some christians.
pedroamaralcouto 1 year ago
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thesystemsfailed 1 year ago
@thesystemsfailed That's not an example of a straw man: that would be guilt by association fallacy - he did not do it and he did not say christians are lowly or mad people. Believing that the belief in the existence of a God is a flawed idea is not a straw man - it's not a misrepresentation of the theists beliefs: it's an opinion about their beliefs. Everyone has a tone of superiority when we don't like them.
pedroamaralcouto 1 year ago
@pedroamaralcouto I suppose so and withdraw my earlier comments. There's something about it all that just seems unsound to me and I guess I'm not quite intelligent enough enough to identify what.
thesystemsfailed 1 year ago
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thesystemsfailed 1 year ago
Stef, you might enjoy Daybreakers. It's a recent vampire movie that gets pretty gory at parts, but seemed to be steeped in social commentary and true/false self metaphors when I saw it. I'd love to see your analysis of it.
baggytheo 1 year ago
@baggytheo
I'd second that, Daybreakers gets a bit cheesy at parts, but poses some unique philosophical questions I haven't seen tackled in other films.
schulwitz 1 year ago
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Debby82933 1 year ago
I'm surprised you had no comments on the fact that the whole mission was to get this energy mogul dude to break up his monopolistic empire so the Asian guy could compete. Kinda says something about the makers' opinions of the "free market," right?
RussellsParadox 1 year ago 18
@RussellsParadox Yet that may not have actually succeeded. I mean, the mission did (more or less), but the result was that he would dedicate himself to improving the company, right?
SwobyJ 1 year ago
@RussellsParadox so true! well, the government is hollywood's major financier now, so for the next several years we'll see much more propaganda so hollywood can lobby for more subsides
LiberalCast 1 year ago
@RussellsParadox Not just compete with, totally obliterate the competition. Make your opponent destroy himself. I don't think there were any anti-capitalist sentiments at play here, really.
harmon92 1 year ago
Just after I saw the movie I was wondering if you'd do a review--lo' and behold, here it is! I started to wonder part way through the film if you were on the writing staff...haha
I also liked the fact that God wasn't really a part the discussion of layers of consciousness or being in this film. It's rare to see a movie that deals with such large themes that doesn't throw in "the sky ghost." Thanks for the review--good to hear your thoughts!
aliciaazzura 1 year ago
At 11:00: "A calm, self awareness, self acceptance, spontaneity and negotiation with the self is essential to have a healthy and happy mental life" Brilliant statement. Thank you.
creamrising 1 year ago 2
I don't know why, but I often get a kick out the smile at the end of your videos. It's just hilarious somehow...
conquesimo 1 year ago 21
@conquesimo
Watch it again. It's Stef's smile :P
brickmastertube 1 year ago
Was on the fence about going out for this one or waiting to see at home, now I'm convinced to go out see it. Yeah it's hard to beat the Matrix but looking forward to see a movie that explores the subconscious and dream state of mind.
Nebbyker 1 year ago
The most profound comment in this review is that religious people mistake the functioning of their unconscious mind for "God". Being attuned with body and mind makes total health possible. The next step, IMO is unlimited human life span. Interestingly, this seems to be the goal of the rich and powerful who currently control government.
jdx41 1 year ago
@jdx41 I found this profound as well! Although...this is an ancient story line and you can read it in the best selling book of all time. Satan's first lie was that we could be just like a "god". And the next step was the "tree" of eternal life, which we were cut off from. Amazing how these lies are still are so powerful and pull so many people in.
Yankeeprepper 1 year ago
Stef, you have a good taste in movies. Did you see Dark City? It is more than 10 years old but worth watching if you never saw it :) It is also about dreams and never knowing what is reality.
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felinehumanoid 1 year ago
Stef what are your favorite movies of all time besides The Matrix?
DanJXXX 1 year ago
Its funny that you say its a better film than you could write when you have written some films (short youtube videos at least) which are far superior. If only we get get Leo to star in one of your videos on freedom and get it to the big screen
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
I pretty much agree with stef, but I would add that the soundtrack was really lame and you sometimes couldn't understand people.
escapethecollapse 1 year ago
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally occurring hallucinogenic drug of the tryptamine family. This drug is found not only in many plants[1], but also in trace amounts in the human body, where its natural function remains undetermined.
Zorn101 1 year ago
I sympathize with you when you say the fights were retarded & that the conflicts were too prosaic according to the titanic issue of the unconscious.But i also have some critique here:As an agnostic i can't say NO to God & afterlive but to reduce God into nothing more than the unconscious is too banal,like the childlevelbelief of many"God"followers.We just don't know about afterlive & everything we assume about it is just a mental construct.
agnostoatomo 1 year ago
What's a good degree of selfknowledge?To know this degree in quantitative measures & say it's good(enough?)selfknowledge would mean 2 know the whole spectrum,so that you can know,where 2 place yourself on that scale.This would mean 2 believe in 1self as allknowing(=God?).Hmmm!the classification of worldviews in2 science,philosophy,religion,ideology etc. is questionable in itself,but 2 judge Religion as an illusion makes only sense 2 me if we classify every thought construct n life s an illusion.
agnostoatomo 1 year ago
The mental cathegory Religion is in my understanding not reducable 2 n idea f an outaspace bigdaddy who'll fix it all but doesn't.There r many different forms f Religions & in every 1 f those we can explore different layers & depths f understanding.2 deny that,is a counterbelief & by doing so just another beliefsystem on the level 1 reduces the other.It's like 2 people who hav a problem 2 solve an equation & 1 says i believe in the solution & the other 1 says i don't.What's the 3rd way?
agnostoatomo 1 year ago
YES! i have been waiting to hear your thoughts on Inception
seks03 1 year ago
Haha I watch so many of these videos that recently when I get into a debate I begin to take on your accent.
therookie93 1 year ago
things fall down around me, seems so real, yet reality is our dream and a few are awake in it, while many sleepwalk, having a dream within the dream that is illusion. Have a grand day! Back to gardening i go.
Thank you for always giving excellent presentations.
1mealperday 1 year ago
do yourselves a favor and get the Inception soundtrack
timsartsite 1 year ago
@donroche Listen to FDR1673 record on 6-1-10 there is where you will find a solid argument for atheism.
bunsh1ch1 1 year ago
Mind is the fractal or the mirror projecting in to a mirror. Who is to say how far the fractial goes because from one level the fractal is a mess of chaos and from another is is in compleate order. The level of the fractial you perceive is the projections you spew in to the world. If it is the "you" that is watching your self think. Then who is the "you" that is watching the "you" that is watching your self think?
Zorn101 1 year ago
Spoiler Alert! but great monologue
Karmathejedi1701 1 year ago
oh I didnt realize apes believed in god.....(silly Stefan)
DocSmiTherZ 1 year ago
I liked the old George MacDonald fantasy story where as the hero in effect goes deeper into the "unconscious," the characters he encounters become more and more childlike and yet not childlike because they have these primitive yet magical presences and are super-powerful.
not2tees 1 year ago
just another film about mind control. Didn't rate it that highly
haseyes 1 year ago
hmmm dream = monocrome or black and white, real = pains in full color digital surround 99.9
LastReplaySC 1 year ago
This might sound weird but if it was my head there would be at lease a couple nake ladies and matter turning into energy.
greenghost2008 1 year ago
The first law of thermodynamics, an expression of the principle of conservation of energy, states that energy can be transformed, But cannot be created or destroyed
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A neuron (also known as a neurone or nerve cell) is an electrically excitable cell that processes and transmits information by electrical and chemical signaling.
The energy in the neuron can not be destroyed or created. Death is an illusion, There is only a transformation from 1 state to a nother.
The Energy dose not cease.
Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101
Have you considered that consciousness may be an emergent property of certain configurations of matter and energy and that when those configurations are disrupted the consciousness ceases to exist even though the individual components still exist in some form.
Like if you run a car through a shredder the matter that made up the car still exists, but the pile of scrap is in no way a car and has none of the function of a car. The same is true when your neurochemistry goes south.
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk if you have a shredded car the car dosent cease to exsist its just transfromed in to a nother state in this case bits of car.
Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101
Did you read my post?
"Like if you run a car through a shredder the matter that made up the car still exists, but the pile of scrap is in no way a car and has none of the function of a car. The same is true when your neurochemistry goes south."
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk When the car is shredder it still exsists in all its multipal parts it dose not retract from that it was a car or could be a car again. It may not function as a car or even resemble a car but has been transformed in to some thing else but all ways has the potential of being a car again. When the mind is splintered it is called Schizophrenia it dose not resemble the ego driven mind, but can be put back together. The mind being made of energy, follows the first law of thermodynamics
Zorn101 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk There are many different types of mind and Consciousness. The ego driven is not nessecerely they best. But could be precived as a defence mechanisms in of it self. Each cell has its own mind as well has having an inteligence and Consciousness all of its own. The ego judging the cells Consciousness
is like the mountian telling the rocks at the base that they are not important and they dont matter. The cell judging the energy that brought it in to being is the same problem.
Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101
You seem to be using definitions of mind and intelligence that have no basis in reality. I see no point in continuing the discussion.
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk Define Reality?
Zorn101 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk Mind (pronounced /ˈmaɪnd/) is the aspect of intellect and consciousness experienced as combinations of thought, perception, memory, emotion, will and imagination, including all unconscious cognitive processes. The term is often used to refer, by implication, to the thought processes of reason. Mind manifests itself subjectively as a stream of consciousness.
subjectively being they key.
Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101
Reality is the universe as it actually exists which is determined by empirical evidence and logic.
What is the empirical evidence that the characteristics of the mind you have provided apply to single cells?
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk
Cell Memory Permits the Development of Complex Patterns
The Cells of the Vertebrate Body Exhibit More Than 200 Different Modes of Specialization
Innovations in movement, sensory detection, communication, social organization - all enabled eucaryotic organisms to compete, propagate, and survive in ever more complex ways
Single cells have ther own mind. please see "Molecular Biology of the Cell, Fourth Edition
Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101
That passage is available on google books and the author was clearly referring to plants and animals which are in the kingdom eukaryote not single cell eukaryotes
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
The hypothesis also known as the Single Neuron Theory of Consciousness arose from the simple strategy of trying to find an explanation for awareness that fits with what we know about the physics of the brain. There appears to be only one option that works; that each brain cell is aware separately. Although this may seem to conflict with our experience it almost certainly does not.
The Mountain Judging the rocks at the bottem again !
Zorn101 1 year ago
@FlailingJunk sorry youtube wont allow me to post the refrence to the paper link.
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Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101 the energy is one thing, that what you refere to as "you" is something entirely different.
It's like a puzzle, "you" would be a finished jigsaw Puzzle, after reorganized all pieces are still there, but they do not represent "you" anylonger!
The picture of you is destroyed in this analogy!
LastReplaySC 1 year ago
@LastReplaySC Don't presume to understand my definition of "you" or "I" as I have not defined it yet. How ever I will now.
The theory of the organism-environment system starts with the proposition that in any functional sense organism and environment are inseparable and form only one unitary system. The organism cannot exist without the environment and the environment has descriptive properties only if it is connected to the organism. My "I" is the totality of the system. My Ego is illusion.
Zorn101 1 year ago
it's astonishing that "EGO's" manage to create such an unessasary deadly Violent inviroment for each other and ones self as a whole.....!
why go through thought theory patterns, if the answere is known and down to "I", "You", "me"! PS: the overall enviroment can exist without "i", " you" and or your/our "ego"!
Intelligence and knowledge does not garanty survival as a whole in any form what so ever. You can define anything to what you dream of. How was it before you were born? ?!?!?
LastReplaySC 1 year ago
@LastReplaySC How was it before you were born? ?!?!? I ask my self this all most on a daily basis. I also ask how did I feel be for I was born. As I would imagine that I might feel the same way after death. Cheers
Zorn101 1 year ago
@Zorn101 :-)
LastReplaySC 1 year ago
OMG SO LONG DONT WANNA WATCH BUT ITS SO GOOD
TurboInsomniac 1 year ago
NICE!
tunezindahouse 1 year ago
i already saw the movie, and the director planted enough evidence in it to support the idea that Cobb is sleeping as he did for it all to support that it actually happened.
sonofagunM357 1 year ago
I saw this movie on the 17th and last night I had a "2 layered" dream. I have had one of these dreams before but not for a long time. I think the movie induced it. The first dream I woke out of because I fell down a small staircase. Then, I awoke (to what I presently call reality) from the second dream, because I tried remembering how I arrived at my location and I couldn't (like in the movie) and I quickly realized I was still dreaming. So weird.
ReligionIsOverrated 1 year ago
Have you ever done a Matrix review ?
If not I think all your subscribes would appreciate that.
olteancr 1 year ago
@olteancr
While not a review I enjoyed this, check it out.
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FlailingJunk 1 year ago
ringing cedar series.
JBenfante 1 year ago
@stefbot one thing I thought about was when he went to see the doctor about the strong drug they needed for their mission; remember when he went to the restroom and when he spun his totem, and the Japanese guy opened the door and peeked in and De Caprio knocked his totem over? we never get to see the totem falter on its own or see it continuously spin. How do we know, whether the dream didn't begin then, instead of later? what do you think?
grandmasterqz 1 year ago
Stef do you believe in Evil unseen Entities AKA demons because pretty much the only thing i dont agree with you on is your atheism Satan is the god of this world and is under the control of the creator of the universe
RunsWitGuns 1 year ago
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Well, you already know he's an atheist, so why would be believe in demons?
DasGuntLord01 1 year ago 2
you say that you like how there is the lingering Q of whether or not we are in reality, but then say you wanted the dreams to be crazy...like dreams. That wouldnt work. the extraction crew has to create a world that feels real, even undreamlike. They need to be in control. not the mark's subconscious. nolan said himself that theres a comedy in the story where dreams can be all....dreamlike. but hes not interested in that.
4jonah 1 year ago
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waw that was deep i wanna watch it now.
pelucas716 1 year ago
The matrix was a bad ass movie
chriswroads 1 year ago 2
"Philosophy will clip an angel's wings."
boxant 1 year ago
I don't know whether or not Stefan reads his own comments, but if you do, I'd like to know what your reasoning is behind the belief that consciousness resides in each person's mind, suggesting there is more than one consciousness vs the belief that there is only one consciousness shared by all living beings. I guess I'd just like to know what is your thought process that led you to believe that when we die, so does our consciousness. Thanks.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
@HigherPlanes hey, well maybe i can help u with that. answer me this. if all other humans other than your self died tomorrow, and lets say u got on a space ship and flew to the middle of nowhere in space, would u stil be conscious? assuming u had food and ur brain didnt explode from the travel or what not. we know the consciousnes is in the body, because when the brain dies so does the mind, or what we recognize as the self. electricity stops in the brain, and the ghost int he machine goes.
pelucas716 1 year ago
@pelucas716 To answer your question, "would I still be conscious in the middle of space if I were the only one alive?" Yes, I believe I would be. And with all due respect, we DON'T know that consciousness resides in the body, because currently there is no scientific test to answer that question. I believe that consciousness may be in another dimension, that there is only one consciousness, and every living being "drinks" from that pool. And although the body dies, consciousness doesn't
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
@HigherPlanes ok, so u r saying that there is no evidence that consciousnes resides in the brain, and that there is evidence that conscousness resides in a pool outisde of the universe that every one drinks from with.. uhm invisible straws?? ( i added that last part for comidic effect) : ) oh and u didnt answer my other question. lets see. would u stil be consciouse than after u die? how do u know that? evidence?
pelucas716 1 year ago
@pelucas716 Don't twist my words. I said that that there is no evidence to support either view. My personal opinion is that consciousness IS what we are. We're not flesh, we're not our personalities, we're not our ego. I believe that our true self IS consciousness. Your true self never dies. Your true self is consciousness. I've come to this conclusion after a lot of exploring, reading, experimenting... Do I have evidence for this? Yes, personal experiences. Is it conclusive? No.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
@HigherPlanes k well, if we really want to debate about this than we need to start with some definitions. how do u define consciousness? here's what wikki sais. :Consciousness is variously defined as subjective experience, or awareness, or wakefulness, or the executive control system of the mind. i would agree with this. do u ? if not how do u define it. because if we have no definition than we r debating over whether or no Adam had a bely button, or in other terms over nonsense.
pelucas716 1 year ago
@pelucas716 Ok, I'm game. As for the definition, I agree for the most part, except for that portion that states, "consciousness is defined as a subjective experience." I disagree with that! The ego is subjective, it encompasses our desires, emotions, beliefs, expressions of personality, etc... On the other hand, when consciousness is unadulterated, free of ego, it is objective. Does that make sense? For example, as a baby, you were conscious, but your experience of the world was very objective.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
@HigherPlanes uhm, well i agree with all the subjective aspects of it, but i didnt understand much from there. can u tell me what u mean by 'unadulterated' , free of ego, specially the definition of what ego is. and uhm also how u know that the experience of a baby was objective? tho u might wanna leave that last one for later. pls be patient with my, im like a 4 year old in a candy store with this, i wanna try every piece and make sure my tounge understands it. :_)