Winterwar???..... this is maybe war fighting in winter but this is not use to be Finland vs. russian war ? russian should be muts more and Finnish tanks not all or 30 (whole war)... but those saw rly rarely....
Why play as the disgusting, mass murdering communists? I love playing as the Germans, they were the honorable part during WW2. Was propaganda and fabrications are made up to make them look bad. True to the end. 88
itse asiassa talvisodassa, suomi sai niin paljon ryssien kalustoa pois, että suomi oli talvisodassa paremmin varustettu, mutta jatkosodassa ryssät oli saanut enemmän kalustoa, mutta suomi silti taisteli hyvin.....
The Siege of Leningrad and Finland Natzi past: The siege was conducted by Finnish and German Army, as part of Barbarossa, The siege followed the Finnish offensive in Karelia, The 872 days of the siege caused the deaths of 1,400,000 civilians in the Leningrad region through disruption of utilities, water, energy and food supplies, mainly women and children, many of whom died to starvation and bombardment. Finnish intelligence was particularly helpful for Hitler
This is a war simulation, with realistic engagement ranges, shell calculations (penetration, muzzle speed etc.), realistic armor calculations (thickness, vertical and horizontal slope angles...), realistic damage models and things like that. On the other hand, COH is standard simple RTS that isn't meant to be a war simulator, and is made for wide gamer public. So these two games really should not be compared, because they're made with very very different goals in mind.
@vukashin88 the only problem with TOW is the vanilla infantry combat is unrealistic in the sense their accuracy is like laser beams, which makes realistic infantry tactics useless. Fortunately there are mods that fix this.
@vukashin88 thanks mate - what about Men of war? any good. I love this game - I just ordered it - at last realistic ranges and not tanks shooting at each other from 5 metres away!
@Paul3love Well, I'm not into MOW really. It's just an RTS (a la Blitzkrieg) as far as I know. Haven't tried it, and not planning to either. Btw, it's also 1C's game - therefore it wouldn't be in their best interests to make more competition in already small wargaming niche. As I said, it's a 'gamers' game.
COH does top the ToW series in one aspect of realism - infantry AI. Jesus Christ, in ToW it's like trying to herd a group of retarded monkeys. Soldiers won't take cover, they don't know when to use their grenades when opportunities arises, they'll spin in circles, they'll walk up to enemy tanks and stand there, they'll let enemy brush right up against them, list goes on.
If this series is going to be called an official "war simulator," they need to seriously wrk on the infantry AI
@AssOnAPlate187 I absolutely agree here. That's the main reason I ditched the series altogether, and am now eagerly awaiting the CM Battle for Normandy. The whole micromanagement thing with infantry is absurd, considering the game's scale. Just hope that the future CMx2 eastern front game wont be as much 'biased' towards the Germans as the old CMBB was.
Why do the soviet union needs finland?Its prety useles finland lost the war cause they didint get any new territory the fins wore onli siting in there trences and hoping that USSR would leave them alone and they did cause they had to kick th nazi asses all back to Berlin when the nazis lost the battle of Moscow and didint take Leningrad
Actually Finland didn't lose they made up a peace and soviet union didn't man finland. It was the soviet union who took too much casualties and whose plans didn't succes. That's why they made up a peace and left Finland alone.. btw USSR wanted Finland cause Germany "gave" Finland to USSR. And that war is against GERMANS.
Bullshit. Even latest historical research says that finns lost 95,000 killed, and russia - 65,000. Finnish government started to beg for peace soon after almost all finish army was eliminated. Finns went to Moscow to sign peace on russian terms. Russia reached all objectives, took large chunks of finnish territories. If it's not victory, what is victory then. it was decisive and succesful vitory. Things you say was written on Goebels propaganda sheets
I laughed for that for 5 minutes. If something is true some things you said are TOTAL BULLSHIT. Where did u get that iformation? From some old propaganda? Yes, maybe, but you should really know something before you come here and act you know something. The real losses were these: Finland:26 662 died, 39 886 wounded, and 1000 got captured Russia: 126 875 died, 264 908 wounded and 3100 got captured (from wikipedia) so lol still laughing.
And when u said "almost whole army was eliminated" Yeah, fins had 250 000 men russians 1000 000. And yeah maybe we wanted peace, because we didn't want to fight because we didn't start the war. And yes you got ground in a fight but also when we made a peace we had to give you ground.
Finland held until 13 March 1940, when the peace treaty is signed. This is due to the fact that the Finnish did not want to be a part of Hitler's Invasion of Russia. And Allies warned Finland to broke off with Germany or face an Allied attack. Despite Finland were ally to the German. Thier relationship got cold. The fact after the treaty, the Russia claimed they won the Winter war. But it is a morale blow to them, Finland never actually lost the war, in fact they gained international goodwill.
For the Finnish, they overall won the battle. Not because of the superior weapons, but thier morale and commitment. Thier officer were well trained, and thier soldiers were fighthing a defensive war. They were fimiliar with the terrain and homeland. They were actually well prepare than the Russia thought. And Sweden willing to contribute volunteer troops, supplies to aid the Finnish. The Finland is harsh place for the Invaders espiacially winter, tanks break down, aircrafts ill suited to fly.
Russia never achieve any significant progress in Finland. They got far severe losses compare to the Finnish. This is largely due to the fact the Russia weren't fimiliar with the Finland Geography, poor intelligence, and instead masses troops without even fully prepare to fuel and feed the force. The Finland Winter killed more Russians than gunfire. Most killed by cold and starvation, wounded is largely due to frostbite. At that time, most soviet leader were killed in the drastic purge in 1937.
You are saying really much facts, I know winter killed russians a lot, but maybe not more than gunfire, because there died a lot russians because of their tactics. Russians ran on open ground with very, very many men straight to fins gunfire. They lost a lot men because of that. Yes, Finland was well prepared on the battlefields and moral but it was really poorly equipped. Some soldiers came into the fight fight civilian clothes.Finland only had few old tanks and later captured russian.
They also had only a few planes and AT-guns. In equipment russia was better prepared: They had million men and thousands of aircraft artillery and tanks. And for the wounded, I don't think there's so many because of frostbite, well, some, but usually there is more wounded men than dead. And yes, they won because they were so tough. Fins didn't have good anti-tank defense and it sometimes caused panick which caused retreating.
So that meant that they rely heavily on thier homeland terrain and ambush instead of head on combat. And a story my Finnish Web Friend told me about is that during the Winter War. Starvation turn the Russia desperate, they sort out by.......canabalism...... Is this real? Or just a silly myth. I know many Russian was die of hunger, but even the Red Army wouldn't got that far. Still, without the Red Army, the world would have been very different. I still respected the Russians. Thanks for the info
Yes that really is true but it wasn't russias fault. That only happened when russians got encircled. Fins used this tactic pretty much and found it good. Fins encircled huge masses of men and equipment and usually russians got killed. When they were encircled, they got killed by winter and starvation. They had to eat their horses and dead men. And yes without winter war (well, more like continuation war) finnish industry wouldn't be so good.
Encircled? But how come they don't attempt a break out of the the encirclement. They got more men(at least)! Or they were defeated until they lose thier morale and the will to attempt a break out, and instead hoping for a relieved force?
Yes they sometimes tried to break out but they usually didn't succes. I don't think it was possible because when they got encircled fins often attacked the encircled russians. And yes they had more men but fins also needed a lot men to keep the encirclement so they had them also. And in that situation that didn't help if you had a lot men. What does it help if you have a lot men starving and almost frozen and all tanks destroyed with fins attacking all the time,
and snipers waiting you to get your head up? I don't think they had a high morale in that situation because they didn't get food. Fins attacked the encircled russians and got the russians into smaller encirclements. When russians got tired and hungry the encirclements got eliminated. And the succes of keeping the encirclements was because there was only a little roads fins could use the terrain well russians poorly and radio-recoinasance (knowing the times and locations of breakthrough attempts)
Then, why they choose Finland? What drives them to invade the country. Is for Finland's recources? I've saw a trailer on you tube about the Finnish infanry group fighthing the Winter War. To bad I din't understand thier language, but from what I've seen that most Finnish soldier in that were well camoflaged compare to the Russian, which dressed in green and stood out pretty much out of the white.
They choosed Finland because Germany "gave" Finland to Germany when they made the molotov-ribbentrob agreement. Russia wanted to use Finlands navy-base and ground. Finland didn't agree and then Russia attacked Finland.
"Gave"? You meant that Soviet Union want to join the Axis power? And Finland for Hitler were nothing more than a "give" to Stalin? This is insane! Third Rirch can so ungly. Good thing that Hitler invaded Russia(not excactly a great idea) & chnage Stalin's mind to focus on the Wehrmacht instead. Finnish put up a good fight and teach Stalin that Finland were not a "give" for him. Finnish are great people! Thanks for the info. X )
By the way, what happen to Finland during the sa called Continuation War? I've never heard of it. My WWII ecyclopedia din't provide any information about this war. What is Continuation War? Who fought with Finland again? It looks like Finland was invaded by many nation! Was Finland an important assets for the invadrs? But by who? Italy? Austia?
If you know what's winter war (1939-1940) I don't understand tthat you don't know what continuation war is. (1941-1944) and in continuation war Finland fought against russia. (again) And got equipment from Germany.
What happened to Finland during the Continuation War. I only know that Finland was part of Hitler's plan to invade Russia, Finland, Italy and Austria provide logistic support while German invade the country. I thought that Finland & German got cold......
During the Continuation War Finland joined operation Barbarossa around week after Germans commenced Barbarossa. During the first few months of the war Finland managed to push deep to Eastern Karelia and got to lake Onega and "Svir" river. For 2 ½ years the frontlines maintained pretty stable and in August 1944 few days after Normandy USSR launched a major attack and Finland surrendered in a couple of months but maintained independent. Then actually follows the Lapland War against Germany.
Finland never surrendered to be exact. They singed a ceasfire with the USSR which had the demands of driving the germans out of Finland and giving 10% of finnish land to the russians. Surrendering would have meant an invasion of finland. Ceasefire meant a declearation of truce between finland and russia.
The russians didn't do good in any battle of winter war. It's true that they conquered all the land in front of Mannerheim line but that stopped them and but them into a stalemate. In the end of Winter War the allied countries (except ussr) were feeling sorry for Finland and were really thinking of joining the war on the finnish side. That's when Stalin got scared and started negotiating for peace. Otherwise he would have just tried to conquer the whole finland. But he couldn't.
well, the russians had good winter soldiers and tanks that were in Sibiria to defend against Japan. Then they drove Germany of during operation Barbarossa. so that I say count's as a good winter victory.
I'm talking about the WINTER WAR - not operation barbarossa or anything else. Just winter war against finland where, in fact, the russians lost over half of their tanks
Lets not forget the importance of the military purge Stalin did. It probably didnt do wonders for the combat effectiveness of the Russian army at the start of WWII.
No they didn't. Until the last days of the war, the finns were running out of men but still held back. The Soviets were about to break the Mannerheim line but they didn't, because peace was signed before they could.
Soviet Union broke Mannerheim line and attack to the outskirts of Viipuri, but Soviet Union didnt want to conquer Finland because Britain and France would have declare war against Soviet Union.
Still Finland show the power of little nation and power of people who loves their country and are ready to die for it. Finland have earned her place in the world with our peoples blood and nobody cant cant take it from us.
N, the thing is that when the russians were about to break through the so called mannerheim line, the finns fell back. Before the russians could Viipuri, the ceasefire was signed. Anyway, Long Live Finland!
That remains somewhat disputable if there yet were Axis and Allies during the early 1940. Italy and Hungary, who weren't war going at that time, were also aiding Finland with France and Britain. What people usally don't stress is that Germany helped Soviet Union during the Winter War. They attacked Finnish merchant marine and maintenaced Soviet Navy.
Hey I'm not attacking you or the info but I've read many books on the Winter War. Germany was actually a huge aid to Finland during the Winter War. Some Finnish pilots were flying Me109's and became some of the best aces in history. At the same time a special unit of Finnish soldiers fought with the German army on the eastern front. Eventually the Finns realized that remaining an ally to Hitler was a bad idea, so eventually they broke off connections.
I think you are confusing the Winter War with the Continuation War. Finland started to co-operate with Germany during autumn 1940. The first Bf-109's in the Finnish service didn't appear until 1943. Finnish Waffen SS battalion fought at the Eastern front during 1941-43.
No, this is so wrong! But from you I believe is true. Russian send so many men to thier death. No wonder Hitler is so convident about invading Russia. Soviet Union actually thought they can conquer Finland easily. But why they choose Finland? Is for natural recources? What drives them invande Finland in the first place?
the Czar of russia hated its people so he didnt really care if died or not... some people might think its funny that the czar made his soldiers share guns but i think thats horrible... think about it you have to wait till you friend dies... and then take his gun
I agree, and most people blame soviet union was form by destorying the Russian Monarky(Kings). But without the Soviet Union, Wolrd War II would have been to the Axis favor. The Czars have relationship with Austria & German. Yeah they engage the West in a Cold War, but still collapse in 1991(my 1st birthday). I pretty sure that the world become what is today if not for the once Soviet Union.
You can say the same thing about the Americans and British. Besides, no one gives a shit about the czar or his family anymore. People dislike the soviet union because of what happened after ww2 in eastern europe. The warsaw pact was not an alliance of equals by any measure, and the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, and Germans, had some very legitimate grievances with the Soviet Union.
the finnish put up a good fight against the russians considering they didn't have a much decent equipment and used a lot of guerilla tactics, they used skiis to manuevre quick through the snow and used molokotov cocktails effectively against russian armour which could only try in column due to the dense forests.
lol bunk90, SU won the Continuation War and Moscow Armstice signed. Finland have never been a part of Republics, but this has one reason: Stalin's opinion changed. It is better to deal with a really neutral country, where you can forge secret deals with allies, or can spy after them. Same with Austria. In 1945 Red Army reached the size more than 10 million, invented new weapons and learned to fight with them. Don't think they couldn't destroy the whole Finland if they wanted to. but they didn't
btw, this game is about the winter campain of German army in 1942. Finland is not ever mentioned. I wonder why someone decided it's about Russian-Finland war happened in 1939.
This is the winter war between Germany and Russia...I know that finns dont know history...but there has been at least 4 winter wars between Germany and Russia
winter war and the ww2 are different...russia failed in winter war cos they couldent occupy finland..even when they had better weapons and more soldiers...so lets say: russia sucsk balls!
Do you know who won the war...it was not Finland...I have read history books..and they tell me that Russia won the war....is this wrong...as I understand Russia won the ww2...not Finland, or Germany
Russia won WW2...hmmm...I dont know what kind of history you have been reading. Maybe you are a ruskie and russia is known for its "reality" hirtory =) Even nowadays people get killed in russia by governement if they write something bad about russian government.
And Russia won WW2. I beleive for example that Finland was bombed by US army bombers and fighters witch were imported to Russia by USA. Did you know that?
Venäjä on maapallon syöpä ja venäläiset ovat syöpäsoluja. Venäjä on pahanlaatuinen kasvain joka lähettää etäpesäkkeitä esim kun venäläisiä muuttaa ulkomaille.
Valitettavasti tätä kasvainta ei voida poistaa.. sädehoitoa ydinpommilla tekis nille kyllä hyvää.
Ryssä on ryssä vaikka sen voissa paistais. Ne vois kaikki ampua.
So...what was the war between Germany and RUSSIA 1941-1942...not winter war...what was the war between Germany and Russia 1942-43, 1943-44, 1944-45...as I understand this has been many winter wars between Germany and Russia..or you are a fool
they got pwned by Finland. Maybe Finland lost the war but many sees it as a victory because of the casualties they inflicted to the USSR and didnt became a part of Soviet when they lost so yeah they got pwned there.
Ignorant..I know that Germany was in the wrong but there was one place they proved there damn worth to redeem them.The wotan line 2000 german men knowing death approched as over 5 million russains came it was the last defendable place in the hilltops they held out for a week under straight soviet rushes after the fight all 2000 germans dead..one million soviets killed in the process.avoiding death is one thing.fighting it is another.I dont support nazism.They held like men..Pwn3d that..bitch..
I guess I cannot make a point when there are a bunch of russophobes who dont realize Russian soldiers have died for the freedom of all. Soviet forces destroyed 85% of the Third Reich. It was not the Army Generals commandeer faults that large numbers were lost but rather Stalins reign and supremacy (which I dont support myself) and even if so, 22 million died to save Europe while now EU doesnt even want to comprehend Russian reasons.
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Really? Why was finland always under the Russian banner before 19th century? Russia was always Superior, in this case, finnish got lucky that Russia faced a disastarous leader in the COMMUNIST party.
It was not commies, it was weaken position of Tsar, read finnish history, finns made "peaceful recistance" during 19th centuary, open rebellion would have been mad.
Finland didnt "lost", Finland just gave some land to Soviets and they made a peace. But Soviets didnt swarm finland like Germany did to most European countries.
Of course Finland lost the Winter War, that was a foregone conclusion - the odds were impossible. But there is no doubt that Russia got owned, badly. Surely one of the most embarrassing victories in history.
@shishkobab: While under Swedish dominion, Finns fought Russia with success on many occasions. Finland was only annexed to the Empire in 1809, so the Russian era was a rather brief one, actually.
what are the songs?
Punderland 1 month ago
What are the songs?
Punderland 1 year ago
Winterwar???..... this is maybe war fighting in winter but this is not use to be Finland vs. russian war ? russian should be muts more and Finnish tanks not all or 30 (whole war)... but those saw rly rarely....
leksss4 1 year ago 2
Winterwar???
leksss4 1 year ago
Why play as the disgusting, mass murdering communists? I love playing as the Germans, they were the honorable part during WW2. Was propaganda and fabrications are made up to make them look bad. True to the end. 88
Sinekyre14 1 year ago
@Sinekyre14
same here . whenever their choice of germans and soviets always go towards the germans.
proxyeva 1 year ago
Go Finland, Go!!!!
potyi79 2 years ago
@potyi79
's not finland. Winter war wasn't fought in '42, and the AT-gun was german Pak40 and tanks were early german panzers.
Poerisija 1 year ago
Ok. I know that, but i have just read the winter war title at the top.
potyi79 1 year ago
Please name the first and third songs in the video. It may be in Russian or English to me. Thank you
Rudoarmejec7 2 years ago
Ive been trying to download this for a while, Can someone give me the Exact link?
sethja8 2 years ago
@sethja8 Nm
sethja8 2 years ago
cool music
GuitarsBlood 2 years ago 3
not WWI :(
crazyaboutcheesecubz 2 years ago
this game so cooooll !
Liandy95 2 years ago
very very good game. best realistic RTS of 2WW, i have this game and i love it
about video: T-34 own all german tank !!!!
RiccardoTheBeAst 2 years ago
Yes, and with an very good tank crew in it....T-34 is so good as
indestructible!!
Same with the German Kingtiger.........
indestructible!!!!!!!!!!
sdkfz162kingtiger 2 years ago
Good game!
AderanWars 2 years ago
Stop talking about Finland! This video is about Moscow Battle!
FromBodom 2 years ago
i hate russia cos they attact Finland and we kind of won and still lost areas by the way how much this game costs
Samuli385 2 years ago
15€
sdkfz162kingtiger 2 years ago
is this a game
literaldeathrow 2 years ago
yes
nofxrulz 2 years ago
It is acutally a pizzapie!
alex3426 2 years ago
suomella on vähemmä vaursteita kun ryssillä mut sisua sitäki enemmä
jedi77990 2 years ago
itse asiassa talvisodassa, suomi sai niin paljon ryssien kalustoa pois, että suomi oli talvisodassa paremmin varustettu, mutta jatkosodassa ryssät oli saanut enemmän kalustoa, mutta suomi silti taisteli hyvin.....
darkville 2 years ago
AI suomi oli paremmin kalustettu talvisodassa!?!??!?!? jätkä ei vittu oo tainnu pahemmin lukee historian kirjoja..
Vitun idari
2Pro4Ya 2 years ago
no ehkä ei ihan, mutta silti ainakin suomi oli talvisodassa paremmassa jamassa, ja lol "vitun idari" hanki elämä
darkville 2 years ago
this game looks awesome
chronik420mad 2 years ago
it is awsome
sdkfz162kingtiger 2 years ago
What's the name of the first song?
Punderland 2 years ago
can some one tell me how to rotating the camera!!!!!
hardcorecrusher12 2 years ago
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The Siege of Leningrad and Finland Natzi past: The siege was conducted by Finnish and German Army, as part of Barbarossa, The siege followed the Finnish offensive in Karelia, The 872 days of the siege caused the deaths of 1,400,000 civilians in the Leningrad region through disruption of utilities, water, energy and food supplies, mainly women and children, many of whom died to starvation and bombardment. Finnish intelligence was particularly helpful for Hitler
0Tanja0 2 years ago
Finland didn't take part to the siege of the leningrad.
ToucanX 2 years ago
Top game. At last, a realistic RTS.
mp5mg42 2 years ago 14
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this game sucks, try company of heroes, thats a good game
yezzers147 3 years ago
This is a war simulation, with realistic engagement ranges, shell calculations (penetration, muzzle speed etc.), realistic armor calculations (thickness, vertical and horizontal slope angles...), realistic damage models and things like that. On the other hand, COH is standard simple RTS that isn't meant to be a war simulator, and is made for wide gamer public. So these two games really should not be compared, because they're made with very very different goals in mind.
vukashin88 3 years ago 26
well said! i was about to reply to yezzer and say pretty much the same thing but i saw your comment. lol cheers.
Reigninglead 3 years ago 3
Thanks mate!
ivan381 3 years ago
@vukashin88 the only problem with TOW is the vanilla infantry combat is unrealistic in the sense their accuracy is like laser beams, which makes realistic infantry tactics useless. Fortunately there are mods that fix this.
deadwood223 1 year ago
@vukashin88 thanks mate - what about Men of war? any good. I love this game - I just ordered it - at last realistic ranges and not tanks shooting at each other from 5 metres away!
Paul3love 1 year ago
@Paul3love Well, I'm not into MOW really. It's just an RTS (a la Blitzkrieg) as far as I know. Haven't tried it, and not planning to either. Btw, it's also 1C's game - therefore it wouldn't be in their best interests to make more competition in already small wargaming niche. As I said, it's a 'gamers' game.
vukashin88 1 year ago
@vukashin88
COH does top the ToW series in one aspect of realism - infantry AI. Jesus Christ, in ToW it's like trying to herd a group of retarded monkeys. Soldiers won't take cover, they don't know when to use their grenades when opportunities arises, they'll spin in circles, they'll walk up to enemy tanks and stand there, they'll let enemy brush right up against them, list goes on.
If this series is going to be called an official "war simulator," they need to seriously wrk on the infantry AI
AssOnAPlate187 1 year ago
@AssOnAPlate187 I absolutely agree here. That's the main reason I ditched the series altogether, and am now eagerly awaiting the CM Battle for Normandy. The whole micromanagement thing with infantry is absurd, considering the game's scale. Just hope that the future CMx2 eastern front game wont be as much 'biased' towards the Germans as the old CMBB was.
vukashin88 1 year ago
@vukashin88 Play the game with JSH mod (v 1.3.2 actually), it's an orgasm!
RiccardoTheBeAst 10 months ago
this game is much better CoH!!
DimISTrus 3 years ago 4
CoH sucks though
Saphiregun 2 years ago
Why do the soviet union needs finland?Its prety useles finland lost the war cause they didint get any new territory the fins wore onli siting in there trences and hoping that USSR would leave them alone and they did cause they had to kick th nazi asses all back to Berlin when the nazis lost the battle of Moscow and didint take Leningrad
Russak205 3 years ago
Actually Finland didn't lose they made up a peace and soviet union didn't man finland. It was the soviet union who took too much casualties and whose plans didn't succes. That's why they made up a peace and left Finland alone.. btw USSR wanted Finland cause Germany "gave" Finland to USSR. And that war is against GERMANS.
ToucanX 3 years ago
Bullshit. Even latest historical research says that finns lost 95,000 killed, and russia - 65,000. Finnish government started to beg for peace soon after almost all finish army was eliminated. Finns went to Moscow to sign peace on russian terms. Russia reached all objectives, took large chunks of finnish territories. If it's not victory, what is victory then. it was decisive and succesful vitory. Things you say was written on Goebels propaganda sheets
AlexanderTch 2 years ago
I laughed for that for 5 minutes. If something is true some things you said are TOTAL BULLSHIT. Where did u get that iformation? From some old propaganda? Yes, maybe, but you should really know something before you come here and act you know something. The real losses were these: Finland:26 662 died, 39 886 wounded, and 1000 got captured Russia: 126 875 died, 264 908 wounded and 3100 got captured (from wikipedia) so lol still laughing.
ToucanX 2 years ago
And when u said "almost whole army was eliminated" Yeah, fins had 250 000 men russians 1000 000. And yeah maybe we wanted peace, because we didn't want to fight because we didn't start the war. And yes you got ground in a fight but also when we made a peace we had to give you ground.
ToucanX 2 years ago
Finland held until 13 March 1940, when the peace treaty is signed. This is due to the fact that the Finnish did not want to be a part of Hitler's Invasion of Russia. And Allies warned Finland to broke off with Germany or face an Allied attack. Despite Finland were ally to the German. Thier relationship got cold. The fact after the treaty, the Russia claimed they won the Winter war. But it is a morale blow to them, Finland never actually lost the war, in fact they gained international goodwill.
willychong8921 2 years ago
For the Finnish, they overall won the battle. Not because of the superior weapons, but thier morale and commitment. Thier officer were well trained, and thier soldiers were fighthing a defensive war. They were fimiliar with the terrain and homeland. They were actually well prepare than the Russia thought. And Sweden willing to contribute volunteer troops, supplies to aid the Finnish. The Finland is harsh place for the Invaders espiacially winter, tanks break down, aircrafts ill suited to fly.
willychong8921 2 years ago
Russia never achieve any significant progress in Finland. They got far severe losses compare to the Finnish. This is largely due to the fact the Russia weren't fimiliar with the Finland Geography, poor intelligence, and instead masses troops without even fully prepare to fuel and feed the force. The Finland Winter killed more Russians than gunfire. Most killed by cold and starvation, wounded is largely due to frostbite. At that time, most soviet leader were killed in the drastic purge in 1937.
willychong8921 2 years ago
You are saying really much facts, I know winter killed russians a lot, but maybe not more than gunfire, because there died a lot russians because of their tactics. Russians ran on open ground with very, very many men straight to fins gunfire. They lost a lot men because of that. Yes, Finland was well prepared on the battlefields and moral but it was really poorly equipped. Some soldiers came into the fight fight civilian clothes.Finland only had few old tanks and later captured russian.
ToucanX 2 years ago
They also had only a few planes and AT-guns. In equipment russia was better prepared: They had million men and thousands of aircraft artillery and tanks. And for the wounded, I don't think there's so many because of frostbite, well, some, but usually there is more wounded men than dead. And yes, they won because they were so tough. Fins didn't have good anti-tank defense and it sometimes caused panick which caused retreating.
ToucanX 2 years ago
Thanks for the information. I know the Finnish got Stug IV but din't know there were so few of those assault gun....
willychong8921 2 years ago
Actually no, finnish didn't have stugIV until the continuation war. In winter war they only had old british vicker tanks.
ToucanX 2 years ago
So that meant that they rely heavily on thier homeland terrain and ambush instead of head on combat. And a story my Finnish Web Friend told me about is that during the Winter War. Starvation turn the Russia desperate, they sort out by.......canabalism...... Is this real? Or just a silly myth. I know many Russian was die of hunger, but even the Red Army wouldn't got that far. Still, without the Red Army, the world would have been very different. I still respected the Russians. Thanks for the info
willychong8921 2 years ago
Yes that really is true but it wasn't russias fault. That only happened when russians got encircled. Fins used this tactic pretty much and found it good. Fins encircled huge masses of men and equipment and usually russians got killed. When they were encircled, they got killed by winter and starvation. They had to eat their horses and dead men. And yes without winter war (well, more like continuation war) finnish industry wouldn't be so good.
ToucanX 2 years ago
Encircled? But how come they don't attempt a break out of the the encirclement. They got more men(at least)! Or they were defeated until they lose thier morale and the will to attempt a break out, and instead hoping for a relieved force?
willychong8921 2 years ago
Yes they sometimes tried to break out but they usually didn't succes. I don't think it was possible because when they got encircled fins often attacked the encircled russians. And yes they had more men but fins also needed a lot men to keep the encirclement so they had them also. And in that situation that didn't help if you had a lot men. What does it help if you have a lot men starving and almost frozen and all tanks destroyed with fins attacking all the time,
ToucanX 2 years ago
and snipers waiting you to get your head up? I don't think they had a high morale in that situation because they didn't get food. Fins attacked the encircled russians and got the russians into smaller encirclements. When russians got tired and hungry the encirclements got eliminated. And the succes of keeping the encirclements was because there was only a little roads fins could use the terrain well russians poorly and radio-recoinasance (knowing the times and locations of breakthrough attempts)
ToucanX 2 years ago
Then, why they choose Finland? What drives them to invade the country. Is for Finland's recources? I've saw a trailer on you tube about the Finnish infanry group fighthing the Winter War. To bad I din't understand thier language, but from what I've seen that most Finnish soldier in that were well camoflaged compare to the Russian, which dressed in green and stood out pretty much out of the white.
willychong8921 2 years ago
They choosed Finland because Germany "gave" Finland to Germany when they made the molotov-ribbentrob agreement. Russia wanted to use Finlands navy-base and ground. Finland didn't agree and then Russia attacked Finland.
ToucanX 2 years ago
"Gave"? You meant that Soviet Union want to join the Axis power? And Finland for Hitler were nothing more than a "give" to Stalin? This is insane! Third Rirch can so ungly. Good thing that Hitler invaded Russia(not excactly a great idea) & chnage Stalin's mind to focus on the Wehrmacht instead. Finnish put up a good fight and teach Stalin that Finland were not a "give" for him. Finnish are great people! Thanks for the info. X )
willychong8921 2 years ago
Exactly.
ToucanX 2 years ago
russia was ready to surrender to germany when they invaded, but the germans were killing everything that moved.
Saphiregun 2 years ago
By the way, what happen to Finland during the sa called Continuation War? I've never heard of it. My WWII ecyclopedia din't provide any information about this war. What is Continuation War? Who fought with Finland again? It looks like Finland was invaded by many nation! Was Finland an important assets for the invadrs? But by who? Italy? Austia?
willychong8921 2 years ago
If you know what's winter war (1939-1940) I don't understand tthat you don't know what continuation war is. (1941-1944) and in continuation war Finland fought against russia. (again) And got equipment from Germany.
ToucanX 2 years ago
What happened to Finland during the Continuation War. I only know that Finland was part of Hitler's plan to invade Russia, Finland, Italy and Austria provide logistic support while German invade the country. I thought that Finland & German got cold......
willychong8921 2 years ago
Sorry for my late response. Thanks a lot for the information.
willychong8921 2 years ago
During the Continuation War Finland joined operation Barbarossa around week after Germans commenced Barbarossa. During the first few months of the war Finland managed to push deep to Eastern Karelia and got to lake Onega and "Svir" river. For 2 ½ years the frontlines maintained pretty stable and in August 1944 few days after Normandy USSR launched a major attack and Finland surrendered in a couple of months but maintained independent. Then actually follows the Lapland War against Germany.
coll1ssionguy 2 years ago
Finland never surrendered to be exact. They singed a ceasfire with the USSR which had the demands of driving the germans out of Finland and giving 10% of finnish land to the russians. Surrendering would have meant an invasion of finland. Ceasefire meant a declearation of truce between finland and russia.
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
yeah, first they demanded finland to surrender, but at end of continuation war, they just asked ceasfire.
darkville 2 years ago
The russians didn't do good in any battle of winter war. It's true that they conquered all the land in front of Mannerheim line but that stopped them and but them into a stalemate. In the end of Winter War the allied countries (except ussr) were feeling sorry for Finland and were really thinking of joining the war on the finnish side. That's when Stalin got scared and started negotiating for peace. Otherwise he would have just tried to conquer the whole finland. But he couldn't.
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
yes i know, but i talked about continuation war.
darkville 2 years ago
yep i also know. I just have a habit to start talking about the subject in larger way :D
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
oh, mutta mitä jos puhuttais suomee?
darkville 2 years ago
Totta, hyvä idea XD
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
well, the russians had good winter soldiers and tanks that were in Sibiria to defend against Japan. Then they drove Germany of during operation Barbarossa. so that I say count's as a good winter victory.
osthyvel 2 years ago
I'm talking about the WINTER WAR - not operation barbarossa or anything else. Just winter war against finland where, in fact, the russians lost over half of their tanks
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
Lets not forget the importance of the military purge Stalin did. It probably didnt do wonders for the combat effectiveness of the Russian army at the start of WWII.
Lobos222 2 years ago
Well actually soviets broke mannerheim line and could have conquered finland. But we finnish fought well agaist a 180 million people soviets.
finskakiller 2 years ago
No they didn't. Until the last days of the war, the finns were running out of men but still held back. The Soviets were about to break the Mannerheim line but they didn't, because peace was signed before they could.
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
But, the soviets made a hole in mannerheim line and Mannerheim gave the order to fall back towards the ''Väliasema'' our secondary defensive line.
finskakiller 2 years ago
Soviet Union broke Mannerheim line and attack to the outskirts of Viipuri, but Soviet Union didnt want to conquer Finland because Britain and France would have declare war against Soviet Union.
Still Finland show the power of little nation and power of people who loves their country and are ready to die for it. Finland have earned her place in the world with our peoples blood and nobody cant cant take it from us.
ArDeZe 2 years ago
N, the thing is that when the russians were about to break through the so called mannerheim line, the finns fell back. Before the russians could Viipuri, the ceasefire was signed. Anyway, Long Live Finland!
laskusiiveke 2 years ago
Actually there was firefight in the outskirts of Viipuri.
ArDeZe 2 years ago
That remains somewhat disputable if there yet were Axis and Allies during the early 1940. Italy and Hungary, who weren't war going at that time, were also aiding Finland with France and Britain. What people usally don't stress is that Germany helped Soviet Union during the Winter War. They attacked Finnish merchant marine and maintenaced Soviet Navy.
JapaninArmeija 2 years ago
@JapaninArmeija
Hey I'm not attacking you or the info but I've read many books on the Winter War. Germany was actually a huge aid to Finland during the Winter War. Some Finnish pilots were flying Me109's and became some of the best aces in history. At the same time a special unit of Finnish soldiers fought with the German army on the eastern front. Eventually the Finns realized that remaining an ally to Hitler was a bad idea, so eventually they broke off connections.
hassantbeenasober 1 year ago
@hassantbeenasober
I think you are confusing the Winter War with the Continuation War. Finland started to co-operate with Germany during autumn 1940. The first Bf-109's in the Finnish service didn't appear until 1943. Finnish Waffen SS battalion fought at the Eastern front during 1941-43.
JapaninArmeija 1 year ago
yeah thats true... after the battle some finnish soldiers found a skinned russian body well... its skin
ledus123 2 years ago
No, this is so wrong! But from you I believe is true. Russian send so many men to thier death. No wonder Hitler is so convident about invading Russia. Soviet Union actually thought they can conquer Finland easily. But why they choose Finland? Is for natural recources? What drives them invande Finland in the first place?
willychong8921 2 years ago
You see when there was no Soviet
the Czar of russia hated its people so he didnt really care if died or not... some people might think its funny that the czar made his soldiers share guns but i think thats horrible... think about it you have to wait till you friend dies... and then take his gun
ledus123 2 years ago
I agree, and most people blame soviet union was form by destorying the Russian Monarky(Kings). But without the Soviet Union, Wolrd War II would have been to the Axis favor. The Czars have relationship with Austria & German. Yeah they engage the West in a Cold War, but still collapse in 1991(my 1st birthday). I pretty sure that the world become what is today if not for the once Soviet Union.
willychong8921 2 years ago
True... but there are millions of annoying, 'ignorant' westerners whom say that the Germans were good.
PhilipineMan 2 years ago
You can say the same thing about the Americans and British. Besides, no one gives a shit about the czar or his family anymore. People dislike the soviet union because of what happened after ww2 in eastern europe. The warsaw pact was not an alliance of equals by any measure, and the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, and Germans, had some very legitimate grievances with the Soviet Union.
PointMan100000000000 2 years ago
the finnish put up a good fight against the russians considering they didn't have a much decent equipment and used a lot of guerilla tactics, they used skiis to manuevre quick through the snow and used molokotov cocktails effectively against russian armour which could only try in column due to the dense forests.
Reigninglead 3 years ago
lol bunk90, SU won the Continuation War and Moscow Armstice signed. Finland have never been a part of Republics, but this has one reason: Stalin's opinion changed. It is better to deal with a really neutral country, where you can forge secret deals with allies, or can spy after them. Same with Austria. In 1945 Red Army reached the size more than 10 million, invented new weapons and learned to fight with them. Don't think they couldn't destroy the whole Finland if they wanted to. but they didn't
PvMikhail 3 years ago
Why are ppl talking about the Finnish vs Russian Winter War? this video is about the winter of 1942 between Germany and Russia.
3556df44 3 years ago
True.
RRRJJJLLL 3 years ago
What a lame game, guys. And the music is silly.
btw, this game is about the winter campain of German army in 1942. Finland is not ever mentioned. I wonder why someone decided it's about Russian-Finland war happened in 1939.
LisiyNos 3 years ago
Russia dident win Winter War dont you get it!
Team4omena 3 years ago
This is the winter war between Germany and Russia...I know that finns dont know history...but there has been at least 4 winter wars between Germany and Russia
nurmiar 3 years ago
winter war and the ww2 are different...russia failed in winter war cos they couldent occupy finland..even when they had better weapons and more soldiers...so lets say: russia sucsk balls!
s0me0ney0ud0ntkn0w 3 years ago
Russia won the winter war ...they got what they wanted...Viipuri
nurmiar 3 years ago
samaahan nuo svedut sanoo kun suomi voittaa ne jääkiekossa.
s0me0ney0ud0ntkn0w 3 years ago
Stupid finns believes that this is the winter war 1939 -1940....this is winter war between Germany and Russia
nurmiar 3 years ago
if finns are stupid, what hell of a name will people call the ruskies, must be a really ugly word,and one word is not nearly enough.
s0me0ney0ud0ntkn0w 3 years ago
noob Russia wanted holl finland and not get it so we kinda win the Winter war :P
Team4omena 3 years ago
Finland lost the winter war and the continous war, if not, explain then why Viborg belongs to Russia
nurmiar 3 years ago
Because England and the U.S. were allies with the Soviet union.
So they didn't dare to go against the big red, and declared Finland as the looser of the war.
When in fact, not one inch of Finnish territory was occupied at the end of the war.
Finland's losses 'bout 80,000 dead Soviet losses 'bout 3,000,000 dead.
Even Nikita Hrutshev years after WW2, when he started to count the real numbers of dead in the Finnish campaign admitted that the Soviet had lost.
baldurus1 3 years ago
So..when did Russia surrender to Finland
nurmiar 3 years ago
So..when did Russia sign the surrender to Finland
nurmiar 3 years ago
Look island boy.
Soviet attacked, Finland defended.
Finland is a free country.
Mission complete.
We did not attack the Soviet.
They failed.
They lost more men tanks and planes.
Is this somehow hard to understand.
If you are having problems understanding, come to Finland and i'll tell you face to face.
baldurus1 3 years ago
But Russia won the war...is this hard to understand..try to get this fact in to tour head
nurmiar 3 years ago
HOW DID THEY WIN.
THEY ATTACKED THEY WANTED TO OCCUPY FINLAND.
THEY FAILED.
HOW IS THAT WINNING????
Where you born stupid, or did you have to work on it?
baldurus1 3 years ago
Are you stupid..you dont know who won the war...you should read a history book
nurmiar 3 years ago
Have you even been in the army do you have any clue what you are talking about.
According to your reasoning if a football team scores 0 points the team wins.
Estonia and Lithuania lost the war they where occupied by the Soviet Union, Finland was not.
We defended ourselves and succeeded.
Stop using drugs, maybe you would think clearer.
baldurus1 3 years ago 2
Do you know who won the war...it was not Finland...I have read history books..and they tell me that Russia won the war....is this wrong...as I understand Russia won the ww2...not Finland, or Germany
nurmiar 3 years ago
Of course the Soviet and the allies won the WWII against the Nazis.
But Finland was a neutral country, of course we hated the Nazis.
But Finland did not have a army or equipment to fight the Nazis.
The Soviet Union wanted Finland to control German warships in the gulf of Finland.
So they attacked a neutral country.
A country who did not pose a threat to them.
Clearly they won against Nazi Germany, but not against Finland.
Even the allies condemned Soviet for attacking Finland.
baldurus1 3 years ago
Russia won WW2...hmmm...I dont know what kind of history you have been reading. Maybe you are a ruskie and russia is known for its "reality" hirtory =) Even nowadays people get killed in russia by governement if they write something bad about russian government.
And Russia won WW2. I beleive for example that Finland was bombed by US army bombers and fighters witch were imported to Russia by USA. Did you know that?
thuga101 3 years ago
Actually they did lol.. they were in the alliance didin't they?:)
YukiLT 3 years ago
hmmm. So Russia was THE alliance....hmmm. so there were no other countries involved in this "alliance"...
thuga101 3 years ago
Yes yes >.> Crap all around my bad english :)
YukiLT 3 years ago
Anyways this game is interesting? I can download it now.
YukiLT 3 years ago
and you nurmiar should read a history book not written by the soviet liars!
s0me0ney0ud0ntkn0w 3 years ago
Mission complete...Russia smashed Germany
nurmiar 3 years ago
Är du en Svensk bög jävel?????
Hahahahahahaha.
Nu förstår jag.
baldurus1 3 years ago
är inte svensk...men har bott i Sverige
nurmiar 3 years ago
This game is NOT the winterwar between Russia and Finland....it is between Russia and Germany...
nurmiar 3 years ago 2
Fucking russians finland win the winter war!
Zaragua4 3 years ago
mmmm karelia tastes so good mmmm
raven3331 3 years ago
Russians Wanted WHOLE FINLAND...Cock sucker... Perkelee ryssä jos tuut suomee turpaa tulee!
heke9 3 years ago
you know russian?
RexKwonDoe4U 3 years ago
Yes, one russian kicked my ass in MY HOME STREET! I dont know why. I didnt say enything...
heke9 3 years ago
that sucks
RexKwonDoe4U 3 years ago
Belaya Smert.
baldurus1 3 years ago
Saatanan juoppo suomalainen
nurmiar 3 years ago
When did Russia surrender to Finland
nurmiar 3 years ago
The war ended with a peace treaty between Finland and the Soviet Union on 15 september 1944.
Come on don't be an idiot, face the facts.
Or read a book(one that is not written by the Russians).
baldurus1 3 years ago
My father was in the finnish army during 1941 -44, I think that he knows better than you
nurmiar 3 years ago
Yes, read a book and face the fact that Russia won the war...
nurmiar 3 years ago
When did Finland surrender to the Sovjet Union?
Andersson203 3 years ago
where can i buy it?
Tareldor 3 years ago
Venäjä on maapallon syöpä ja venäläiset ovat syöpäsoluja. Venäjä on pahanlaatuinen kasvain joka lähettää etäpesäkkeitä esim kun venäläisiä muuttaa ulkomaille.
Valitettavasti tätä kasvainta ei voida poistaa.. sädehoitoa ydinpommilla tekis nille kyllä hyvää.
Ryssä on ryssä vaikka sen voissa paistais. Ne vois kaikki ampua.
700007123 3 years ago
Yea, FINLAND is best world ever finland army won red army. URRS is suck world ever!
Zaragua4 3 years ago
Thats right! Lippu korkeelle veljet! Varokoot ryssät!
heke9 3 years ago
finns are really fools, they dont even see that this game is winterwar between Russia and Germany
nurmiar 3 years ago
There has never been a winter war between Russia and Germany.
baldurus1 3 years ago
So...what was the war between Germany and RUSSIA 1941-1942...not winter war...what was the war between Germany and Russia 1942-43, 1943-44, 1944-45...as I understand this has been many winter wars between Germany and Russia..or you are a fool
nurmiar 3 years ago
Sorry then that this game is between Russia and Germany...not Finland and Russia
nurmiar 3 years ago
Mitä helevttiä nuo panzerit tuol tekee? -.-
Scatmanfi 3 years ago 4
what the fuck? is this somekind of propaganda?
hirsm 3 years ago 3
boring song ...
itachi744 3 years ago
You can only play as the bad guys (USSR) during winter war?
MrSchweden 3 years ago
Russia got fucking PWN3D!!!!1
JesusFuckingChristt 3 years ago 2
Did she? Is capturing Berlin and defeating one of the largest armies in the world "pwn3d"? Ignorant bitch.
shishkobab 3 years ago
they got pwned by Finland. Maybe Finland lost the war but many sees it as a victory because of the casualties they inflicted to the USSR and didnt became a part of Soviet when they lost so yeah they got pwned there.
MrSchweden 3 years ago 2
Although Russia has lost the war, it is still wrong to say "pwned" because it is a disrespect.
shishkobab 3 years ago 3
Ignorant..I know that Germany was in the wrong but there was one place they proved there damn worth to redeem them.The wotan line 2000 german men knowing death approched as over 5 million russains came it was the last defendable place in the hilltops they held out for a week under straight soviet rushes after the fight all 2000 germans dead..one million soviets killed in the process.avoiding death is one thing.fighting it is another.I dont support nazism.They held like men..Pwn3d that..bitch..
tutt4 3 years ago
I guess I cannot make a point when there are a bunch of russophobes who dont realize Russian soldiers have died for the freedom of all. Soviet forces destroyed 85% of the Third Reich. It was not the Army Generals commandeer faults that large numbers were lost but rather Stalins reign and supremacy (which I dont support myself) and even if so, 22 million died to save Europe while now EU doesnt even want to comprehend Russian reasons.
shishkobab 3 years ago
The Russians got pwned and thats IT!!! Finland is da best!!! Eläköön Suomi!!!
Lessari 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Really? Why was finland always under the Russian banner before 19th century? Russia was always Superior, in this case, finnish got lucky that Russia faced a disastarous leader in the COMMUNIST party.
shishkobab 3 years ago
It was not commies, it was weaken position of Tsar, read finnish history, finns made "peaceful recistance" during 19th centuary, open rebellion would have been mad.
Savakka 3 years ago 2
Go fuck your mother bitch!!!
Lessari 3 years ago
Yes..you can do it
nurmiar 3 years ago
Finland didnt "lost", Finland just gave some land to Soviets and they made a peace. But Soviets didnt swarm finland like Germany did to most European countries.
Lessari 3 years ago 7
Of course Finland lost the Winter War, that was a foregone conclusion - the odds were impossible. But there is no doubt that Russia got owned, badly. Surely one of the most embarrassing victories in history.
@shishkobab: While under Swedish dominion, Finns fought Russia with success on many occasions. Finland was only annexed to the Empire in 1809, so the Russian era was a rather brief one, actually.
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