Wow. At least reading the first page doesn't make me feel proud having the Filipino ethnicity in me. Makes me wish I was mixed blooded so I don't have to deal with adjusting to cultural activism lol. Forget the culture crazed Filipino who doesn't welcome one traditional dance fused with another culture, he has his opinion. You control the video comments.
I liked your video. (If you're still in FASA) Do your thing! :) That's something I never seen in my state (Washington).
@xthaone There's nothing wrong with fusing, the point is to do it right, and hip hop does no justice... You don't have to partake in cultural activism, just understand that your culture is great enough that there is no need to be desperate like hip hop... Or rather, just try to understand your culture in the first place, instead of having fake pinoy pride
Why is everyone trippin'? LOl' It's not slandering someone else's heritage. It's combining two different cultures. and these people did a great job. My Filipino group does the same thing. We try to make Tinikling more entertaining for Americans by making the dance a little bit different by adding hiphop into it. People need to chill(:
@YerrAsianGurrl10 This isn't disney where you make the culture more appealing to someone else by basterdizing it, no, you show them the REAL DEAL, many of my American friends have told me that they personally felt Singkil(which is like Tinikling) is far better, why? Because nobody ruins it, things like this you cannot just take apart, you lose the soul... There's nothing in this now but senseless stick jumping anyone can pull it off... Things like Singkil and real Tinikling are not just that.
@ThtOnePinoy Well guess what, the people in this video? yeah, they don't care what you think. They like what they're doing and they're having fun. and you saying that your American friends like it better when hiphop isn't added, well that's your friends. Our audience here likes it better when we make it more lively. They get bored when it's too simple. If you didn't like this video, why'd you even watch it. No ones gonna get mad just because we added hiphop to Filipino dances.
@YerrAsianGurrl10 Sure, "lively", if that's what you want to call it(I personally found it dead the minute you added hip hop to it), but is our culture meant to cater to others, while sacrificing our own? No, if you found Tinikling boring and unappealing, you should know there is far more dances out there,even with the sticks,that you don't have to fuck with that will definitely appeal to the masses,look up Singkil here on youtube,you won't find any need to add anything to it.
While doing this to tinikling may be entertaining to some, never do this to any other ethnic dances, like Sagayan, Singkil, Igorot dances, because YOU WILL get a lot of people angry at you, while me I'll fell pity for you :P check the comments on videos of those dances here, everyone is always checking if it's authentic, trust me if your going to use this music, just keep it within tinikling an no other dance, otherwise you'll piss a lot of people off....
I said, if you're going to do this, DON'T do it to other ethnic dances. In doing so you will upset A LOT of people, and it's not good style to slander someone elses heritage just because you think it's cool. You are lucky with tinikling because it's more... mainstream, as you can say, nowadays, but no one will take kindly to you making extreme alterations to the other dances we have, if you don't heed this warning it's your own funeral.
@ThtOnePinoy OMG!! I didn't "slander someone else's heritage" because I thought it was cool. We did this as a representation that two different cultures (Filipino and American) can coexist harmoniously together, it doesn't have to be one or the other. And if you haven't noticed, we do traditional dances too. Seriously, just stop.
@lilonelilo Wow, go back... and read my comment again.... You completely misunderstood it. It seems I will have to type in caps for you to be able to comprehend.
WE'RE... NOT... TALKING... ABOUT... TINIKLING... ANYMORE... WE... ARE... TALKING... ABOUT... IF... YOU... DID... THIS... TO... ANY... OTHER... FILIPINO... DANCES... SUCH AS... SINGKIL... SAGAYAN... IGOROT DANCES... ETC... THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY GET PISSED...
read over my comments again, you didn't understand..
@ThtOnePinoy Don't talk to me like I'm stupid, it's rude and unnecessary. We do these cohesion dances (tinikling or whatever dance we choose to do) not as hit against anyones culture but to show that two different cultures can exist together. You probably missed this earlier, but I DON'T CARE if people get mad about my art. Let them. It's my art, I stand by what I do and will defend it. Not everyone has to like it and I don't expect them to.
@lilonelilo Omfg I am losing my patience. Yeah if you don't want me to type to you like you're stupid, then don't act like you can't read my fucking posts -_- seriously, you can't fail this hard, just read my post again, herp derp, for someone who apparently studied various people's history, I would expect you to be a little sophisticated... But no you still apparently don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about tinikling anymore.
@lilonelilo I'll say this now, and I won't repeat myself, if you still don't understand then there's no hope for you...(now I understand why filipinos who were born in the mother country look down on fil-ams...) I'm saying, don't do it to any other dances, unless you want to piss people off which apparently you give no consideration to. I mean, your hurting their feelings by disrespecting their culture, and you don't care? Wow thats low...
@lilonelilo Just watch vids of the other dances, you will see why nobody in the world make hip hop interpretations of the other dances besides tinikling.
@lilonelilo And fyi, true art is something you don't rip off, the thing you guyes did is not art, but a mere interpretation. It's just not epic nor does it have as much entertainment value like the actual dances. This is why our actual dances survived for centuries, while each hip hop song is dead within months.
@ChazeLouie Calling this art is an insult to the original dance, nothing is perfect, but nothing deserves basterdization either, do you get what I mean?
You represent many things in your dance, as a people, we should have higher standards than this hip hop crap, it's fun, it's nice, but don't touch our beloved treasure...
@ThtOnePinoy No offense but there is nothing truly indigenous about Filipino culture anymore unless there is a part of the Philippines that lies untouched from other outside cultural Influences...look at the Barong Tagalog for example, it was never looked upon as indigenous and especially that the Spanish made the Filipinos wear it to emphasize as a status symbol. Pick your own fights but I feel like this argument is going nowhere because we have two polar ideas in which there is no real answer.
@Jamwilson9 Ok then, nothing truly indigenous? What about the scripts? The dances? The majority of our words and languages are native. Many of our culture is stilll indigenous you're just looking at it from a totally different perspective. Sure, our scripts aren't made official but they're still being used and promoted on a big scale.
No offense to you, but saying none of our culture is indigenous anymore is being ignorant, there is still a lot of indigenous culture left...
@Jamwilson9 I see you are a fil-am,so it's no wonder why you're jumping to conclusions.I suggest you ask yourself why the intellectual filipinos who have seen our people and their deep roots do not say there is nothing indigenous.My friend, there is a shitload of culture that you haven't realized yet,do a lot of research,you will be very surprised at what you find.
And before you get angry at my use of the term ignorant,I meant it as in a huge jump to conclusions, not as a derogatory term.
@Jamwilson9 I used to have the same thoughts seeing as I'm a fil am as well, but no, you have to stop looking at the Philippines from a fil-ams viewpoint, and see it for what it truly is. For example, I had thought since I was told most civilizations in the Philippines were tribes that I thought ancient Kapampangans were tribes, however this was not the case, we were actually a kingdom, a very wealthy monarchy...If you see our indigenous script "Kulitan" it can give you a hint how far we were.
@ThtOnePinoy - I choreographed this when I was a member of a Filipino AMERICAN group and, like our advisor always told us, we can't ignore the fact that we are Americans and that the American culture is just as influential in our lives as our Filipino heritage. Ignoring it would be like ignoring that we are Filipino. Many Asian Americans struggle with these duel cultures because they can't find a balance.
Doing this dances represent that balance is possible, that multicultural identities can be harmonized. This is how we chose to harmonize our cultures. We received compliments from everyone including the Filipino Community. The older generation LOVE when we fuse modern music with traditional Filipino dances because, for them, it shows that we do know our culture and are using it in our own way, fitting it in our lives.
Also, I'm sure there are folk songs that have been sampled in rap music.
@lilonelilo I am a fil-am too and I still think this is really disrespecting.
However, I guess it could be worse, such as if you guyes used stuff like gangster rap, that would give you the right to get smacked in the face if you did that. But this is already crossing it, next time use tinikling with it's own stuff please, don't insult the culture... Why don't you watch something similar called ka singkil, and see why nobody disrespects that, like what you guyes have done...
@ThtOnePinoy We're taking our culture and making it our own. We do dance traditional dances as well but there's no reason why we can't make our culture our own. People do it all the time. People make variations of traditional foods and clothing, modernizing to fit in with the times or by using different ingredients and materials based on whats available to them wherever they may be. Your entitled to your own opinion, but don't bash ours. This is the art form we chose to showcase OUR culture.
@lilonelilo I am entitled to my own opinion, and my opinion is that you have very great culture and heritage that you don't even realize, the reason why other cultures don't do this as much is because they are already entertained by their own, they don't need to fuse anything. Us filipinos have had to endure being taught much misinformation, I can tell your advisor is a victim of heavy misinformation as well. My advice is to see your people for what it's really like, then you will understand.
@ThtOnePinoy Yeah, you are entitled to your own opinion. I'm merely arguing my point. We don't have to agree and I'm not going to argue with you anymore but stop talking about our advisor! You don't know her, she probably one of the best advisors our group could ever have because she understands that culture is constantly evolving and it doesn't have to be one thing and you can make it your own and fit it into your life so long as you know its origin.
@ThtOnePinoy And for you information, I love my culture. There's nothing I love more then being in the Philippines and being completely immersed in it.
@lilonelilo Wow ok you are not understanding what I'm saying, you don't need to tell me a life story of her, I'm pretty sure she is a good person, I just disagreed with one thing she said.
I do agree with one thing of hers, "so long as you know its origins". Too many filipinos make the mistake of not knowing where the origins came from, infact even less know who their ancestors really were.
@lilonelilo and fyi, whoever was your advisor that told you that, doesn't know what their talking about, just because you live in America doesn't give you the right to trash your own heritage. I don't blame you, I blame whoever gave you faulty advice.
For example, do Japanese or chinese, or even vietnamese americans dance their folk dances with hip hop? NO, wanna know why? Because it's doesn't go together, and you're slandering your own peoples image doing that.
@ThtOnePinoy Actually, I've seen a lot of Japanese and Chinese groups do the same thing we did. And don't insult our advisor, she was the Filipino language and cultures teacher for several years. We also got a lot of support from the faculty and students in the South East Asian and Filipino studies programs at our school. In fact, one of our biggest supporters happens to be very involved in the Filipino American National Historical Society.
@lilonelilo Oh cmon, an obvious lie is obvious, the "exact" part mostly, if they did, they would've used music that actually goes with the dances. Oh so since I disagree with your advisor I'm now insulting her? Nice logic their kid. Why don't you be careful with your choice of words, I felt that you were disrespecting the culture, that's not an insult thats a disagreement.
@ThtOnePinoy Your exact words was that our advisor "doesn't know what they're talking about" that's an insult considering our advisor is well respected in the Filipino community and has been an educator at a very good university of several years. Trust me, she knows WAY more then you every will and she definitely knows what she's talking about. Don't call me "kid". You don't know me.
@lilonelilo That's because I honestly think she didn't know what she was talking about when she said this
"Ignoring it would be like ignoring that we are Filipino". It has nothing to do with being Filipino at all, nor even similar in any way to ignoring being a filipino.
And that's your problem, I make no prejudice on her overall, I just didn't agree with that one sentence, however you think she knows more than me? Ask her what the kingdom of luzon is ;) and reply back to me
@lilonelilo and I'm not kidding, actually ask her, I'd actually be very happy if she did, it's deep history... But it should be the history that everybody knows.
@ThtOnePinoy This is no joke, I assure you. Don't insult me, you don't know me. I have mentored Asian American youth for YEARS. I have studied Asian and Pacific Islander American Studies with some of the most respected professors and lecturers in the field. I am involved in the Filipino American community. I have been involved in movements fighting for Filipino/Asian rights and have raised money to help people back home. So don't put me in the category of giving up on my people.
@lilonelilo Making your own? Might I suggest actually learning the source before you do that? Do you even know what Tinikling is? Explain to me what Tinikling is about, the origins of the name, and where it originally came from(specifically).
@ThtOnePinoy Actually I do know it's origin. Which would you like to hear? The one about how tinikling is representative of the tikling bird and how it uniquely and gracefully walks between tree branches and grass stems and how Filipinos used their creativity to create a beautiful and fun dance that imitates the bird using bamboo poles?
@ThtOnePinoy Or would you like to hear about the other origin that says that the Spanish use to punish slow Filipino field workers by making them stand between bamboo poles as they clapped the bamboo poles together and that the Filipino people used their creativeness to turn a punishment into a beautiful and fun dance making what was once a punishment into their own beautiful and fun dance?
@ThtOnePinoy I told you, I've studied Asian and Pacific Islander American studies. Don't insult me by accusing me of not knowing my own culture or the origins of dances that I do choreography for.
@lilonelilo The bamboo dances overall are obviously pre-hispanic, and did not come from the spanish, and let's hope you didn't take those minutes looking it up, I'll overlook that if you did.
One more question, since you like to brag about your studies, who were our people before the spanish came?
@ThtOnePinoy No, I didn't need to look that up and I'm done arguing with you since your very closed minded. If you don't like this dance or any of the other modern tinikling that I or other people have posted onto YouTube then don't watch. It's that simple.
@lilonelilo Lol I like how you completely avoided my second question...
We're only arguing because your making it more complicated than it is... I'm merely disagreeing, in a very strong sense. I'm not closed minded, I just think you could've at least used better music... Sure, it's modern, but if you're trying to imply that it's better just because of that well it isn't.
And go ahead, we don't need to argue, we can change the subject, just answer the second question :P
Wow. At least reading the first page doesn't make me feel proud having the Filipino ethnicity in me. Makes me wish I was mixed blooded so I don't have to deal with adjusting to cultural activism lol. Forget the culture crazed Filipino who doesn't welcome one traditional dance fused with another culture, he has his opinion. You control the video comments.
I liked your video. (If you're still in FASA) Do your thing! :) That's something I never seen in my state (Washington).
xthaone 2 weeks ago
@xthaone There's nothing wrong with fusing, the point is to do it right, and hip hop does no justice... You don't have to partake in cultural activism, just understand that your culture is great enough that there is no need to be desperate like hip hop... Or rather, just try to understand your culture in the first place, instead of having fake pinoy pride
ThtOnePinoy 1 week ago
Why is everyone trippin'? LOl' It's not slandering someone else's heritage. It's combining two different cultures. and these people did a great job. My Filipino group does the same thing. We try to make Tinikling more entertaining for Americans by making the dance a little bit different by adding hiphop into it. People need to chill(:
YerrAsianGurrl10 3 months ago
@YerrAsianGurrl10 This isn't disney where you make the culture more appealing to someone else by basterdizing it, no, you show them the REAL DEAL, many of my American friends have told me that they personally felt Singkil(which is like Tinikling) is far better, why? Because nobody ruins it, things like this you cannot just take apart, you lose the soul... There's nothing in this now but senseless stick jumping anyone can pull it off... Things like Singkil and real Tinikling are not just that.
ThtOnePinoy 1 month ago
@ThtOnePinoy Well guess what, the people in this video? yeah, they don't care what you think. They like what they're doing and they're having fun. and you saying that your American friends like it better when hiphop isn't added, well that's your friends. Our audience here likes it better when we make it more lively. They get bored when it's too simple. If you didn't like this video, why'd you even watch it. No ones gonna get mad just because we added hiphop to Filipino dances.
YerrAsianGurrl10 2 weeks ago
@YerrAsianGurrl10 Sure, "lively", if that's what you want to call it(I personally found it dead the minute you added hip hop to it), but is our culture meant to cater to others, while sacrificing our own? No, if you found Tinikling boring and unappealing, you should know there is far more dances out there,even with the sticks,that you don't have to fuck with that will definitely appeal to the masses,look up Singkil here on youtube,you won't find any need to add anything to it.
ThtOnePinoy 1 week ago
And just one more advice.
While doing this to tinikling may be entertaining to some, never do this to any other ethnic dances, like Sagayan, Singkil, Igorot dances, because YOU WILL get a lot of people angry at you, while me I'll fell pity for you :P check the comments on videos of those dances here, everyone is always checking if it's authentic, trust me if your going to use this music, just keep it within tinikling an no other dance, otherwise you'll piss a lot of people off....
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy People can hate all they want. This is my art and I will stand by it and defend it.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Argh... Your not understanding me...
I said, if you're going to do this, DON'T do it to other ethnic dances. In doing so you will upset A LOT of people, and it's not good style to slander someone elses heritage just because you think it's cool. You are lucky with tinikling because it's more... mainstream, as you can say, nowadays, but no one will take kindly to you making extreme alterations to the other dances we have, if you don't heed this warning it's your own funeral.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy OMG!! I didn't "slander someone else's heritage" because I thought it was cool. We did this as a representation that two different cultures (Filipino and American) can coexist harmoniously together, it doesn't have to be one or the other. And if you haven't noticed, we do traditional dances too. Seriously, just stop.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Wow, go back... and read my comment again.... You completely misunderstood it. It seems I will have to type in caps for you to be able to comprehend.
WE'RE... NOT... TALKING... ABOUT... TINIKLING... ANYMORE... WE... ARE... TALKING... ABOUT... IF... YOU... DID... THIS... TO... ANY... OTHER... FILIPINO... DANCES... SUCH AS... SINGKIL... SAGAYAN... IGOROT DANCES... ETC... THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY GET PISSED...
read over my comments again, you didn't understand..
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Don't talk to me like I'm stupid, it's rude and unnecessary. We do these cohesion dances (tinikling or whatever dance we choose to do) not as hit against anyones culture but to show that two different cultures can exist together. You probably missed this earlier, but I DON'T CARE if people get mad about my art. Let them. It's my art, I stand by what I do and will defend it. Not everyone has to like it and I don't expect them to.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Omfg I am losing my patience. Yeah if you don't want me to type to you like you're stupid, then don't act like you can't read my fucking posts -_- seriously, you can't fail this hard, just read my post again, herp derp, for someone who apparently studied various people's history, I would expect you to be a little sophisticated... But no you still apparently don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about tinikling anymore.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@lilonelilo I'll say this now, and I won't repeat myself, if you still don't understand then there's no hope for you...(now I understand why filipinos who were born in the mother country look down on fil-ams...) I'm saying, don't do it to any other dances, unless you want to piss people off which apparently you give no consideration to. I mean, your hurting their feelings by disrespecting their culture, and you don't care? Wow thats low...
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Just watch vids of the other dances, you will see why nobody in the world make hip hop interpretations of the other dances besides tinikling.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@lilonelilo And fyi, true art is something you don't rip off, the thing you guyes did is not art, but a mere interpretation. It's just not epic nor does it have as much entertainment value like the actual dances. This is why our actual dances survived for centuries, while each hip hop song is dead within months.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy but this video is about tinikling you stupid bitch
ChazeLouie 1 month ago
@ChazeLouie Yeah it is, and the discussion got deeper, maybe you should learn how to read moron.
ThtOnePinoy 1 month ago
@ThtOnePinoy btw art doesnt have to be perfect. sometimes its better to make it different, unique and ur own thing!
ChazeLouie 1 month ago
@ChazeLouie Calling this art is an insult to the original dance, nothing is perfect, but nothing deserves basterdization either, do you get what I mean?
You represent many things in your dance, as a people, we should have higher standards than this hip hop crap, it's fun, it's nice, but don't touch our beloved treasure...
CULTURE IS NOT A TOY
ThtOnePinoy 1 month ago
@ThtOnePinoy I see. Everyone has their own beliefs and you have yours.
ChazeLouie 1 month ago
@ThtOnePinoy No offense but there is nothing truly indigenous about Filipino culture anymore unless there is a part of the Philippines that lies untouched from other outside cultural Influences...look at the Barong Tagalog for example, it was never looked upon as indigenous and especially that the Spanish made the Filipinos wear it to emphasize as a status symbol. Pick your own fights but I feel like this argument is going nowhere because we have two polar ideas in which there is no real answer.
Jamwilson9 7 months ago
@Jamwilson9 Ok then, nothing truly indigenous? What about the scripts? The dances? The majority of our words and languages are native. Many of our culture is stilll indigenous you're just looking at it from a totally different perspective. Sure, our scripts aren't made official but they're still being used and promoted on a big scale.
No offense to you, but saying none of our culture is indigenous anymore is being ignorant, there is still a lot of indigenous culture left...
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@Jamwilson9 I see you are a fil-am,so it's no wonder why you're jumping to conclusions.I suggest you ask yourself why the intellectual filipinos who have seen our people and their deep roots do not say there is nothing indigenous.My friend, there is a shitload of culture that you haven't realized yet,do a lot of research,you will be very surprised at what you find.
And before you get angry at my use of the term ignorant,I meant it as in a huge jump to conclusions, not as a derogatory term.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@Jamwilson9 I used to have the same thoughts seeing as I'm a fil am as well, but no, you have to stop looking at the Philippines from a fil-ams viewpoint, and see it for what it truly is. For example, I had thought since I was told most civilizations in the Philippines were tribes that I thought ancient Kapampangans were tribes, however this was not the case, we were actually a kingdom, a very wealthy monarchy...If you see our indigenous script "Kulitan" it can give you a hint how far we were.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
Don't perform this dance with hip hop... Epic dance but shit music, I swear respect the culture, don't kill it....
I know this is hip hop, but you don't see other countries making rap versions of their folk songs for example.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy - I choreographed this when I was a member of a Filipino AMERICAN group and, like our advisor always told us, we can't ignore the fact that we are Americans and that the American culture is just as influential in our lives as our Filipino heritage. Ignoring it would be like ignoring that we are Filipino. Many Asian Americans struggle with these duel cultures because they can't find a balance.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
Doing this dances represent that balance is possible, that multicultural identities can be harmonized. This is how we chose to harmonize our cultures. We received compliments from everyone including the Filipino Community. The older generation LOVE when we fuse modern music with traditional Filipino dances because, for them, it shows that we do know our culture and are using it in our own way, fitting it in our lives.
Also, I'm sure there are folk songs that have been sampled in rap music.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo I am a fil-am too and I still think this is really disrespecting.
However, I guess it could be worse, such as if you guyes used stuff like gangster rap, that would give you the right to get smacked in the face if you did that. But this is already crossing it, next time use tinikling with it's own stuff please, don't insult the culture... Why don't you watch something similar called ka singkil, and see why nobody disrespects that, like what you guyes have done...
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy We're taking our culture and making it our own. We do dance traditional dances as well but there's no reason why we can't make our culture our own. People do it all the time. People make variations of traditional foods and clothing, modernizing to fit in with the times or by using different ingredients and materials based on whats available to them wherever they may be. Your entitled to your own opinion, but don't bash ours. This is the art form we chose to showcase OUR culture.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo I am entitled to my own opinion, and my opinion is that you have very great culture and heritage that you don't even realize, the reason why other cultures don't do this as much is because they are already entertained by their own, they don't need to fuse anything. Us filipinos have had to endure being taught much misinformation, I can tell your advisor is a victim of heavy misinformation as well. My advice is to see your people for what it's really like, then you will understand.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Yeah, you are entitled to your own opinion. I'm merely arguing my point. We don't have to agree and I'm not going to argue with you anymore but stop talking about our advisor! You don't know her, she probably one of the best advisors our group could ever have because she understands that culture is constantly evolving and it doesn't have to be one thing and you can make it your own and fit it into your life so long as you know its origin.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy And for you information, I love my culture. There's nothing I love more then being in the Philippines and being completely immersed in it.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Wow ok you are not understanding what I'm saying, you don't need to tell me a life story of her, I'm pretty sure she is a good person, I just disagreed with one thing she said.
I do agree with one thing of hers, "so long as you know its origins". Too many filipinos make the mistake of not knowing where the origins came from, infact even less know who their ancestors really were.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@lilonelilo and fyi, whoever was your advisor that told you that, doesn't know what their talking about, just because you live in America doesn't give you the right to trash your own heritage. I don't blame you, I blame whoever gave you faulty advice.
For example, do Japanese or chinese, or even vietnamese americans dance their folk dances with hip hop? NO, wanna know why? Because it's doesn't go together, and you're slandering your own peoples image doing that.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Actually, I've seen a lot of Japanese and Chinese groups do the same thing we did. And don't insult our advisor, she was the Filipino language and cultures teacher for several years. We also got a lot of support from the faculty and students in the South East Asian and Filipino studies programs at our school. In fact, one of our biggest supporters happens to be very involved in the Filipino American National Historical Society.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Oh cmon, an obvious lie is obvious, the "exact" part mostly, if they did, they would've used music that actually goes with the dances. Oh so since I disagree with your advisor I'm now insulting her? Nice logic their kid. Why don't you be careful with your choice of words, I felt that you were disrespecting the culture, that's not an insult thats a disagreement.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Your exact words was that our advisor "doesn't know what they're talking about" that's an insult considering our advisor is well respected in the Filipino community and has been an educator at a very good university of several years. Trust me, she knows WAY more then you every will and she definitely knows what she's talking about. Don't call me "kid". You don't know me.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo That's because I honestly think she didn't know what she was talking about when she said this
"Ignoring it would be like ignoring that we are Filipino". It has nothing to do with being Filipino at all, nor even similar in any way to ignoring being a filipino.
And that's your problem, I make no prejudice on her overall, I just didn't agree with that one sentence, however you think she knows more than me? Ask her what the kingdom of luzon is ;) and reply back to me
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@lilonelilo and I'm not kidding, actually ask her, I'd actually be very happy if she did, it's deep history... But it should be the history that everybody knows.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@lilonelilo The only reason you'd do it I can only imagine would be a joke, not something serious.
Sigh... We're falling down, no wonder there are a lot of filipino who give up on their people already...
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy This is no joke, I assure you. Don't insult me, you don't know me. I have mentored Asian American youth for YEARS. I have studied Asian and Pacific Islander American Studies with some of the most respected professors and lecturers in the field. I am involved in the Filipino American community. I have been involved in movements fighting for Filipino/Asian rights and have raised money to help people back home. So don't put me in the category of giving up on my people.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Making your own? Might I suggest actually learning the source before you do that? Do you even know what Tinikling is? Explain to me what Tinikling is about, the origins of the name, and where it originally came from(specifically).
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Actually I do know it's origin. Which would you like to hear? The one about how tinikling is representative of the tikling bird and how it uniquely and gracefully walks between tree branches and grass stems and how Filipinos used their creativity to create a beautiful and fun dance that imitates the bird using bamboo poles?
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Or would you like to hear about the other origin that says that the Spanish use to punish slow Filipino field workers by making them stand between bamboo poles as they clapped the bamboo poles together and that the Filipino people used their creativeness to turn a punishment into a beautiful and fun dance making what was once a punishment into their own beautiful and fun dance?
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy I told you, I've studied Asian and Pacific Islander American studies. Don't insult me by accusing me of not knowing my own culture or the origins of dances that I do choreography for.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo The bamboo dances overall are obviously pre-hispanic, and did not come from the spanish, and let's hope you didn't take those minutes looking it up, I'll overlook that if you did.
One more question, since you like to brag about your studies, who were our people before the spanish came?
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy No, I didn't need to look that up and I'm done arguing with you since your very closed minded. If you don't like this dance or any of the other modern tinikling that I or other people have posted onto YouTube then don't watch. It's that simple.
lilonelilo 7 months ago
@lilonelilo Lol I like how you completely avoided my second question...
We're only arguing because your making it more complicated than it is... I'm merely disagreeing, in a very strong sense. I'm not closed minded, I just think you could've at least used better music... Sure, it's modern, but if you're trying to imply that it's better just because of that well it isn't.
And go ahead, we don't need to argue, we can change the subject, just answer the second question :P
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
Wow! It looks so hard! :)
ibbie1031 1 year ago