I don't get the problem of separating the ocean from the wave. The wave is merely an activity of the water which is the essence of the ocean. They are both one phenomenon -- wave and ocean. It's just water being itself.
@MrPissuyaka I think so too, i got the impression. However many teachers speak that way that Jeff talked about, Tony Parsons way. And it is very frustrating from a point of view of someone who is not directly experiencing what tony parsons is saying!! I think that teachers should, come up with a frame work to teach from a wide point of view where it accomodates all seekers. thats a true teacher. not just, "theres nothing to do, theres no one to do anything, bla bla bla"
There is a reason why human conceptualize. Concepts give us our intention,a place to go, or vision etc. In other words, it reflects our internal purpose on a broad scale. What is being discussed here is just to live your life within this grand concept and live your life as being free and "let it go". So, not holding on to any concept "altogether" simply means there is no prupose for human life besides just aimlessly enjoying everything. This is in nutshell unless someone wants to crack it.
Great interview! Thank you for the honest pointing, helped me a lot out of my current trap and further clarifying some previous traps and confusions. Still levels to the allowing and letting go, embracing everything as it arises, yet accepting and acting on impulse for constant improvement. The is no person, but the personal experience matters and can be improved..
What and who enters my life experience, shows me either what I still resist or the beauty of what I am ready to embrace.
Do we have to be so exact in our speech in every moment. Can we relax our speech and realize that our words our systems of semantics will never fully be able to do this justice. Can we relax? We will never get it totally right....
@mrcraigholliday You're right. Speech is only a convenience so people can communicate ideas with one another. It doesn't make anything that's a thing out here true or false.
The term "non duality" is clear. It means "not two". It also means not fifty, not a million, and not seven billion. If a person is in a room "teaching" non duality to fifty people, non duality says is that there are not fifty one people. Non duality means not two and it also means not fifty one. It does not say what is for there is no is. This can not be spoken of or understood because "it" is abstract. "It" can not be defined or explained and "it" can not be approached, recognized or attained.
Now of course, it's only a story but duality is made up of only two things... everything other than me and me. Non duality is simply everything and nothing from which it appears and actually is and isn't. Oneness or non duality is not achieved. In other words, the two things that make up duality are not brought together. The other half of duality "me" does not merge with everything. It is simply seen that all there is is everything. There is no me and everything. There is only everything.
@mysticoversoul This is all story telling. If you say distinctions vanish in the experience of the one self. That's a story. It is as devoid of substance as if I said there are no distinction. If we agree there is no self. That's a story. If we agree there is a "one self". That's a story. None of it means anything because anything that can be comprehended, even ideas, are spontaneous appearances out of nothing. Everything is nothing appearing as everything. Thanks for the reply!
@JMac1868 Of course. Every story is a telling... a telling of individual EXPERIENCE. What is true lies in the experience, not in the telling nor in the story that's in the telling. The key lies in the pure subjectivity of the story-teller. And, as those who have awakened already know, there is only one story-teller with one story to tell, but which story is susceptible of an infinite telling. There is no everything in the light of NO-thing. Form is emptiness, yet emptiness is also form. (LOL)
@mysticoversoul There isn't anything that is true because there isn't anything. And there is no key because there isn't anything. There is no one who has awakened. Awakening is the dissolution of the fantasy of self or anything else. Liberation is the collapse of everything and what is left is nothing from which everything spontaneously apparently appears. Liberation either happens or not but the funny thing is, all there is is liberation - or nothing appearing as everything.
There was a misrepresentation in the "I am no one" aspect of this conversation. A non dual "teacher", which of course is simply a story, does not say "I am no one". There are no non dual teachers. Non duality would not say "I am no one" because the statement contradicts itself. "I am" says there is someone and "no one" says there isn't. Non duality says, "The person is an appearance just like everything, out of nothing. There is no one. All there is is everything. All there is is being.
@crywolf30 Oh.... almost forgot. There is no god that can be known. But that's just a story. Me saying, understanding or even knowing that there is no me, no knowing and no god is only a story. It is the same story as you saying there is a me, there is knowing and there is god. Having the deepest and profound understanding about life is exactly the same as understanding how to make a cheeseburger, or being totally confused about everything. It's all meaningless stories! Fun!
@BuddhaAtTheGasPump I want to make it clear that I'm not criticizing any teacher personally. Every teaching has its place in this cosmic tapestry. I'm only speaking about my own experience, my own journey, and the myriad pitfalls/traps I fell into in my search for enlightenment. I'm pointing out how the beautiful truth of nonduality can so easily become a new rigid, fixed belief system, when it's held onto in any way. The freedom is in letting go ....
Sometimes, we need to discern and to point out the chaff from the grain. You can't let the blind lead the blind, for the sake of the spiritual learners and the seekers of truth. So, it would be okay under the circumstances to express that discernment when circumstances require it.
That was a terrific and wonderful interview you gave, friend.
What nonsense? There is literally no Self. This is immediately verifiable fact, all you have to do is look at life. There is no Self. You are not the body, mind or perception of either thereof.
"Oneness gasses Jews" ... Suzanne Foxton is the most deluded, madly-in-love-with-herself teacher/authoress I know, but I think that kind of remark is beneath even her!
i prefer the 'i am everything & nothing' idea (rather than 'i am no-one')
because they balance each other nicely...but both are ultimately inconceivable...
& for me, there's no silly denials of the harsh aspects of life. i don't like that kind of thing at all. When 'nonduality' becomes 'everything's fine all the time' -that's just selfish bullshit & misses the point. i M 0
I have listened to a few of your lectures over the internet. You are one of those teachers who were telling people, there is nothing to do. It seems that You are growing yourself my friend. We need to be clear inside first, then have meetings and trying to help others. Don't we?
@eroozdar I feel you. And do you remember? "The best way to learn is to teach" (perhaps Osho). And perhaps the process is a never ending unfolding, from level to level. And we have spent two hours watching this clip, a silence sharing, learning and teaching at the same time. And I am feeling priviliged to be here, with you , with Rick and Jeff, and yes, I don't need to be clear inside first, to be with you in this meeting, and for sure not trying to help you. Don't you?
@eroozdar Not quite. We will never stop growing or evolving into infinity. The only clarity there is, is the one we can see at the moment, in the now. There is no future clarity or completeness of such. That allows teachers to have meetings and to help others, now. I hope that is clear. ;-)
I loved this. Just remebering what my best friend has sent to me some days ago: "Whatever you think, it is just a thought. And the thoughts have formed by/from people who don't know - even the very basic of life. We know for sure - absolutely nothing. And we keep pretending, and thus basing our life, and that we do know. We don't know nu'fin." As they say in England: When the seer and the seen become one, Tiddly Pom; No seer, no seen, no one, Tiddly Pom.
If you read Erhart Tolle 'the power of now" or "new earth" both books explain a lot of what is discussed here.
egymoh52 3 weeks ago
that was good! i'm really liking these BATGP's !!!
universalflowster 3 weeks ago
I don't get the problem of separating the ocean from the wave. The wave is merely an activity of the water which is the essence of the ocean. They are both one phenomenon -- wave and ocean. It's just water being itself.
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
Love the title of this...Buddhas here Buddhas there Buddhas everywhere. Much Love
gravitymindofgod 3 weeks ago in playlist Jeff Foster
Hi Jeff!
omg...classic.
guruu13 3 weeks ago
these interviews are brilliant...i think ya'll got every G on planet earth on your show LOL
guruu13 3 weeks ago
i love the intro music
jesse5615 1 month ago
Great interview! Thanks for sharing...
CraigVillarrubia 1 month ago
Thanks for all the interviews, I really enjoy them.
PeFro1 1 month ago
I felt Jeff Foster is saying that Tony Parsons is an ass hole :D
MrPissuyaka 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@MrPissuyaka I think so too, i got the impression. However many teachers speak that way that Jeff talked about, Tony Parsons way. And it is very frustrating from a point of view of someone who is not directly experiencing what tony parsons is saying!! I think that teachers should, come up with a frame work to teach from a wide point of view where it accomodates all seekers. thats a true teacher. not just, "theres nothing to do, theres no one to do anything, bla bla bla"
jesse5615 1 month ago
Where's the gas pump?
MrPissuyaka 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@MrPissuyaka In the emptiness of the Buddha-mind?
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
0:52:00 cat wants to go in :)
pianodesu 1 month ago
There is a reason why human conceptualize. Concepts give us our intention,a place to go, or vision etc. In other words, it reflects our internal purpose on a broad scale. What is being discussed here is just to live your life within this grand concept and live your life as being free and "let it go". So, not holding on to any concept "altogether" simply means there is no prupose for human life besides just aimlessly enjoying everything. This is in nutshell unless someone wants to crack it.
crypto986 2 months ago
Great interview! Thank you for the honest pointing, helped me a lot out of my current trap and further clarifying some previous traps and confusions. Still levels to the allowing and letting go, embracing everything as it arises, yet accepting and acting on impulse for constant improvement. The is no person, but the personal experience matters and can be improved..
What and who enters my life experience, shows me either what I still resist or the beauty of what I am ready to embrace.
Love
jakobi108 2 months ago
Do we have to be so exact in our speech in every moment. Can we relax our speech and realize that our words our systems of semantics will never fully be able to do this justice. Can we relax? We will never get it totally right....
mrcraigholliday 2 months ago
To demonstrate further the contradiction of words and speech: I think you're totally right ;) @mrcraigholliday
Nowisnu 1 month ago
@mrcraigholliday You're right. Speech is only a convenience so people can communicate ideas with one another. It doesn't make anything that's a thing out here true or false.
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
Beautiful
mrcraigholliday 2 months ago
The term "non duality" is clear. It means "not two". It also means not fifty, not a million, and not seven billion. If a person is in a room "teaching" non duality to fifty people, non duality says is that there are not fifty one people. Non duality means not two and it also means not fifty one. It does not say what is for there is no is. This can not be spoken of or understood because "it" is abstract. "It" can not be defined or explained and "it" can not be approached, recognized or attained.
JMac1868 2 months ago
Now of course, it's only a story but duality is made up of only two things... everything other than me and me. Non duality is simply everything and nothing from which it appears and actually is and isn't. Oneness or non duality is not achieved. In other words, the two things that make up duality are not brought together. The other half of duality "me" does not merge with everything. It is simply seen that all there is is everything. There is no me and everything. There is only everything.
JMac1868 2 months ago
@JMac1868 Distinctions between two or amont the many vanish in the experience of the one Self. There is not even an "everything."
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
@mysticoversoul This is all story telling. If you say distinctions vanish in the experience of the one self. That's a story. It is as devoid of substance as if I said there are no distinction. If we agree there is no self. That's a story. If we agree there is a "one self". That's a story. None of it means anything because anything that can be comprehended, even ideas, are spontaneous appearances out of nothing. Everything is nothing appearing as everything. Thanks for the reply!
JMac1868 3 weeks ago
@JMac1868 Of course. Every story is a telling... a telling of individual EXPERIENCE. What is true lies in the experience, not in the telling nor in the story that's in the telling. The key lies in the pure subjectivity of the story-teller. And, as those who have awakened already know, there is only one story-teller with one story to tell, but which story is susceptible of an infinite telling. There is no everything in the light of NO-thing. Form is emptiness, yet emptiness is also form. (LOL)
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
@mysticoversoul There isn't anything that is true because there isn't anything. And there is no key because there isn't anything. There is no one who has awakened. Awakening is the dissolution of the fantasy of self or anything else. Liberation is the collapse of everything and what is left is nothing from which everything spontaneously apparently appears. Liberation either happens or not but the funny thing is, all there is is liberation - or nothing appearing as everything.
JMac1868 3 weeks ago
There was a misrepresentation in the "I am no one" aspect of this conversation. A non dual "teacher", which of course is simply a story, does not say "I am no one". There are no non dual teachers. Non duality would not say "I am no one" because the statement contradicts itself. "I am" says there is someone and "no one" says there isn't. Non duality says, "The person is an appearance just like everything, out of nothing. There is no one. All there is is everything. All there is is being.
JMac1868 2 months ago
@JMac1868 Do not think you know all. You know nothing of God.
crywolf30 2 months ago
@crywolf30 Now that is funny!
JMac1868 2 months ago
@crywolf30 There is no "me" to "know".
JMac1868 2 months ago
@crywolf30 Oh.... almost forgot. There is no god that can be known. But that's just a story. Me saying, understanding or even knowing that there is no me, no knowing and no god is only a story. It is the same story as you saying there is a me, there is knowing and there is god. Having the deepest and profound understanding about life is exactly the same as understanding how to make a cheeseburger, or being totally confused about everything. It's all meaningless stories! Fun!
JMac1868 2 months ago
what we were looking for was always with us
"realized all i was searching for was me" -ben howard
geburar 2 months ago
Didn't want to say anything but is this guy seriously a teacher?
chafe11 2 months ago
@chafe11 Yes, he is a teacher. He may not resonate with the cultural conditioning your mind is in. Still, he is a spiritual teacher.
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
what an utter bullshitter!
MultiTipex 2 months ago
By the way - Jeff is irritating.
(for he is such)... ear-eat-ating.
Strange choice for a date, if You don´t mind.
DoYou? (rhetorical question, as all of them)
No, not really - You can´t for You ain´t.
:) Everything is fine. (if "fine" is understood as "everything")
iecoie 3 months ago
@iecoie Irritating? Nah! He's just being cute.
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
Thank you Rick. Thank you Jeff. Your transparency is delightful. Searching is a spiritual act. To be silent, there are no words. Namaste'
bfrankleebold 3 months ago
AND NO-lol
toshinory 3 months ago
YES
toshinory 3 months ago
so honest and transparent, beautiful :)
Mewsie 3 months ago
He wasn't alluding to Suzanne, but to another well-known non-duality teacher.
BuddhaAtTheGasPump 3 months ago
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lifewithoutacentre 3 months ago
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@BuddhaAtTheGasPump I want to make it clear that I'm not criticizing any teacher personally. Every teaching has its place in this cosmic tapestry. I'm only speaking about my own experience, my own journey, and the myriad pitfalls/traps I fell into in my search for enlightenment. I'm pointing out how the beautiful truth of nonduality can so easily become a new rigid, fixed belief system, when it's held onto in any way. The freedom is in letting go ....
lifewithoutacentre 3 months ago
@lifewithoutacentre No need to clarify. You came through clearly.
Sometimes, we need to discern and to point out the chaff from the grain. You can't let the blind lead the blind, for the sake of the spiritual learners and the seekers of truth. So, it would be okay under the circumstances to express that discernment when circumstances require it.
That was a terrific and wonderful interview you gave, friend.
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
@Bennett5629
What nonsense? There is literally no Self. This is immediately verifiable fact, all you have to do is look at life. There is no Self. You are not the body, mind or perception of either thereof.
HylianSpirit 3 months ago
"Oneness gasses Jews" ... Suzanne Foxton is the most deluded, madly-in-love-with-herself teacher/authoress I know, but I think that kind of remark is beneath even her!
8Ho03EdONl1liL 3 months ago
@8Ho03EdONl1liL - "Oneness oneness(es:) oneness" :)
What Oneness?? (What Gas, what Jaws?)
:)) Nothing is beneath, nothing above - evrything is as is.
ClearUp, for sakes!
ClearUp, or nothing happens!
(Nothing? No ... Everything happens... nono.. Nothing - to nobody? Yes.. no!:)
Stupid is Stupid is Stupid. (is what again?)
iecoie 3 months ago
Who or what is this "I" we all constantly refer to?
northwoodshermit 3 months ago
i prefer the 'i am everything & nothing' idea (rather than 'i am no-one')
because they balance each other nicely...but both are ultimately inconceivable...
& for me, there's no silly denials of the harsh aspects of life. i don't like that kind of thing at all. When 'nonduality' becomes 'everything's fine all the time' -that's just selfish bullshit & misses the point. i M 0
gudvid ¦:¬]
TWITfromURANUS 3 months ago
Sweet Mr. Jeff Foster;
I have listened to a few of your lectures over the internet. You are one of those teachers who were telling people, there is nothing to do. It seems that You are growing yourself my friend. We need to be clear inside first, then have meetings and trying to help others. Don't we?
Thanks~
eroozdar 3 months ago
@eroozdar I feel you. And do you remember? "The best way to learn is to teach" (perhaps Osho). And perhaps the process is a never ending unfolding, from level to level. And we have spent two hours watching this clip, a silence sharing, learning and teaching at the same time. And I am feeling priviliged to be here, with you , with Rick and Jeff, and yes, I don't need to be clear inside first, to be with you in this meeting, and for sure not trying to help you. Don't you?
shunyam56 3 months ago
@eroozdar Not quite. We will never stop growing or evolving into infinity. The only clarity there is, is the one we can see at the moment, in the now. There is no future clarity or completeness of such. That allows teachers to have meetings and to help others, now. I hope that is clear. ;-)
mysticoversoul 3 weeks ago
Great interview, thank you.
Awarenessthis 3 months ago
This is really down on earth where I can cope whit it. No pretending being something extraordinary. Just being earnest.
And really, that is enough to surprise me ( I love to be surprised).
And whats more, it helps clearing to me that this deepening/opening possibility never ends.
Thank you to both of you.
Spiresprog 3 months ago
I loved this. Just remebering what my best friend has sent to me some days ago: "Whatever you think, it is just a thought. And the thoughts have formed by/from people who don't know - even the very basic of life. We know for sure - absolutely nothing. And we keep pretending, and thus basing our life, and that we do know. We don't know nu'fin." As they say in England: When the seer and the seen become one, Tiddly Pom; No seer, no seen, no one, Tiddly Pom.
Hi there Rick and Jeff!!! Good stuff!!!
shunyam56 3 months ago