This beam routine is not only the hardest back then, but could then compete with today's top elite gymnasts. If she is still competing, she only need to fill the basic element requirement, since her difficult is massive. Gutsu does THREE back handspring to full in as dismount, which may well be the hardest beam dismount ever performed. Plus Gutsu also does standing full twist and two layout, shawn only does one. She certainly proved that gymnastics is difficult back in 90s.
Shannon was underscored on vault but Tatiana was underscored on beam with maybe the hardest beam routine and she got 9.925 on floor because she had one of the most difficult routine of those games, Miller in the other hand had one of the easiest floor routines of all the big names (Lisenko, Onodi, Milosovici, Mitova, Bontas, Chusovitina, Zmeskal, Gutsu or even Galieva or Neculita) on UB Gutsu had more amplitude on her releases than Miller and a double layout dismount
So I've figured it out - The song in the background, "The Race" by Yello is 1996 American Jaycie Phelps's floor music but during these games, it was the floor music of Andrea Molnar from Hungary.
@gamesetmatchjlh Thanks for sharing the information. I knew Phelps performed to Yellow in 1996, but I could never figure out who was on the floor at the time of Gutsu's beam routine. Ironically, I thought the Yellow music went great with Gutsu's beam routine if that makes sense. I will always associate this music to her amazing beam routine and I felt it fit with all her awesome moves. Whether people loved her or not (and I thought she was amazing) Certainly she was a beautiful daredevil!
i feel like sticking the dismount used to be a lot more important (even though liukin won the aa essentially because she had better landings than johnson did). it's probably due to the new scoring system but i kind of miss seeing this many sticks :\
Even 18 years later, I still think she has the hardest beam dismount in history. If anyone knows of anything more difficult I would like to hear about it. Really! :)
Beautiful...i watched this over and over again when I recorded it on VSH...half of you bitching about this routine probably weren't even born when this took place.
That series before her dismount is ridiculous...plus she stuck her dismount! When was the last time a gymnast did a tumbling series before a G (in today's code) rated dismount?
well boguinskaya scored a 9.912 with a lot less difficulty than both miller and gutsu, and she had a wobble. as well. i think the judging was very inconsistent at these games. milosovici scored a 9.9 because of a small hop on her bars dismount, but a 9.912 in event finals when she took a large step back. in some ways, i think milosovic should have won the AA.
Ridiculous scoring. This should have scored atleast a 9.975 based on the scoring of the 92 Games. It was atleast equally good to Lysenko's event finals gold routine. Miller had an easier routine with less amplitude, less rythym, and 2 obvious balance breaks that were bigger than Gutsu's 2 tiny errors, and gets a higher score. Thank goodness Gutsu won the AA as she would have been clearly robbed of it by the bogus beam scoring if she hadnt.
I don't think gutsu was underscored at all.. she scooted her foot back on her dismount landing as well as had her chest low and had two balance checks.. one on her mount and one on her back tuck 1/1.... I believe this score was pretty close to accurate
@NSUT09 Compared to the other scores on beam especialy Miller, Gutsu was clearly underscored. Dont forgot how lax the 92 scoring standards were when trying to come up with an appropriate score.
I am a die hard shannon fan and she will be my favorite gymnast of all time and deserved the all around gold in 92..but I must admit the judges always robbed gutsu with this routine 9.912 was too low..and her routine at the worlds in 91 should have gotten gold..favorite dismount ever!
I agree that Gutsu was underscored on the beam, while Miller was overscored (she had a few balance checks). On the other hand, Gutsu was overscored on the floor and vault, while Miller was underscored on the latter -- not to mention the bars (she had the disadvantage of going before Gutsu).
@JLFAN2009 Gutsu was underscored on Beam, Overscored onfloor, appropriately scored on Bars AND Vault. Shannon was UNDERSCORED on vault and overscored on everything else except bars.
Yes of course it wouldn't get that in 2005, scoring has changed drastically, did you not know that? (that was not meant to be rude that was in all seriousness) Watch routines from the 1988 Olympics just before these Olympics, tens were given out like candy, so if you think that these Olympics are bad............these Olympics were actually rather fair with scoring.
but i think the 92 olympics were worse, even if there were only 2 tens handed out.
like, in 1988 there were no routines that had enormous mistakes that got a 10, but in 1992, look at tatianas floor routine! a 9.926 with that first pass? thats just not right.
I am done with immature ignorrent people commenting on elite historic gymnasts with so much ignorant words like oh she wobbles in her full twist bla bla so she sucks , you guys cant even jump on your bed .
Enjoy the masterpieces we are lucky to watch on youtube and shut up or say something good .Those girls trained so hard!!
Its called "The Race" from Yello....Jaycie Phelps used the same music for her floor routines in 95 and 96....different version of it though! I'd like to know who was on the floor though during this, to see how their routine looks to the music!
I honestly have to say this has always been my favorite beam routine. I was in total awe when I watched this during the Olympics. I met her years ago when she lived and trained in Indianaplis - such a wonderful and sweet person. You see her moves being performed by many today, but truly set the pace.
I remember when she came to visit my gym in 93, and they showed video of her win.. she was so stone faced. I was so so excited to meet her, but there were people who were openly talking about how Shannon should have won, how the EUN team cheated, blah blah.. there's a lot of discussion to be had about that comp, but not w Tatiana sitting right there! That must have been so hard for her..
Tatiana always looked so feeble, timid, scared, she was the exact opposite of your average "tiger" of a gymnast, she looked like an innocent little kid.
She basically was, she had a complete breakdown after the Olympics, she was just a pawn in other peoples, political games...She had no say in the scores she got ...
Tatiana Gutsu had a horrible time in Barcelona, she had a nervous breakdown as a result....First she fell off the beam, when she supposed to the star of her team, then replaced Roza Galieva, which put even more pressure on her to justify that move, and then her victory was tainted by those that said she shouldn't have won... She was 15 and had not control over the situation, the PTB of the old Soviet system were still surrounding her though the USSR was gone....
can u elaborate on this? gutsu always looked miserable IMO and i have been curious for years as to how her life was under the USSR and afterwards for the UKR
When she was used to replace Roza Galieva she was expected to win... Can you imagine being 15 years old and having that pressure? She got ostersized and hated for it and also for winning a gold when people doubted her victory...People that hate on her seem to forget she was 15 and had no say in it..
Replacing gymnasts is not unusual.. Shushunova and Omelianchek got their break that way in 1985, but Shush says she was knew she was expected to win and would be finished if she did not..
However, the Old Life rule was in operation for the 1985 Worlds -- making it more difficult for substitute athletes to win. There are three reasons why Gutsu is thought of as the undeserving winner in Barcelona: (1) she didn't legitimately qualify (given the three-per-country rule); (2) she was overscored on floor and vault; and (3) the New Life rule (implemented in 1989), which benefited Tatiana, was still perceived as being unjust.
Bollocks to everything you have said....The substituting the Romanians did it in 96 and Russians in 2000., though it is trickier now with the gymnasts able to specialise.... She was not overscored on floor or vault..Miller made mistakes on floor... Gutsu's was harder and she was European Champion....Gutsu wasn't overscored on vault...Miller was underscored...That poor girl went through hell and was never allowed to enjoy her win...The people that are most vitriolic are die hard Shannon fans
@ILoveFriedFetus Only 3 gymnasts form each country could compete in the AA finals and because of Gutsu's fall from the beam her teamates had higher AA scores than her. But the coaches felt that Gutsu had better chances for gold so they said that the gymnast who had origianlly qualified, Roza Galieva, was injured so Gutsu competed instead of he. Personally I feel really bad for Galieva but to me Gutsu was one of the most talented all-arounders and it would be such a pitty if she didn't compete
Yes but the actual dismount is the same, double back w/ full twist, the wind ups for it are different though not to mention nowadays you do not get credit for repeating skill sin a row so she would only have gotten the credit for one back handspring but she would have gotten the connection value.
Her head is always down on her beam routines - it drives me crazy. The skills are cool, but that's about it. She was also pretty low on that tucked full - dismount is the best part of the routine!
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wtf shannon miller is so much better she is not as pretty but she is a better gymnast, so she had more difficult skills BUT she bobbled on almost all of them, like when she first mounted that back layout was completley unbalanced none of her moves were meanwhile shannnon miller does it perfectly with no bobbles or anything
Has someone calculated her difficulty score under the new scoring system? I imagine it would be really high. Her dismount would probably be the most difficult today, and very few people are doing standing fulls. The broadcasters were gushing about Shawn's full twisting double, but Gustu does that off three back handsprings! I know that her routine would have been choreographed differently toay to maximize the points, but what would she have been anyway---6.5 maybe?
Gutsu did not have poor execution. Miller had better form on vault and beam, but that does not mean Gutsu's was poor. It is like saying Miller's beam was not difficult just because Gutsu's was much more difficult. Miller with her 2 significant bobbles on beam, and big step back on floor, had more mistakes too. Gutsu had better amplitude on her moves except on vault. Lastly Millers tumbling passes on floor showed the poorest form of either on any event with her gross wide cowboyed full ins.
I think this is the most difficult beam dismount ever done: I may be wrong, but I think this is harder than Carly Pattersons roundoff flick double Arabian dismount.
I think so too: even though hers and Carly's are both G value skills, I think that you need to have lots of stamina and endurance to keep enough power to get a full-in all the way around after 3 backhandsprings. Carly's dismount does change direction, which is very tough, but I think that Tatiana's dismount would be physically more taxing.
Yes and no: the round off gives you more momentum and power into the backhandsprings, but the timing has to be spot on. Three backhandsprings is very hard because you need the endurance not to "run out of steam" at the end; the fact that Tatiana could do 3 backhandsprings and STILL have enough power to get a full-in out of it is just astonishing and unbelievable.
How in the name of God did Shannon Miller get a higher score than this on beam????This had tremendous difficulty; even nowadays the skills she performs get tremendous respect. A standing full is no walk in the park, neither is a Rufolva, and as for that dismount, well, I have never seen anybody else but Tatiana have the sheer guts to perform it! How the hell did Shannon get a higher score than Tatiana??? Were the judges even watching this routine???
So it is ok for Miller backers to whine about the vault scores where Miller was already 0.025 higher, but wrong for Gutsu backers to question the scoring anywhere else? How stupid. It is true it is ridiculous this got only a 9.912 and Miller a 9.925. Gutsu clearly had the harder routine, and Miller had 2 major balance breaks which were not properly deducted at all. Gustu should have scored atleast half a tenth higher yet Miller actually scores higher here. What a joke.
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Gutsu had neither the form nor grace of Miller. Difficulty wise, Gutsu was slightly on top. But, look at Gutsu's major error on her floor mount. That alone should have cost her the gold - that and her legs apart Yurchenko-full.
Not to mention that Gutsu could actually do her acrobatics with amplitude (Miller's amplitude was only impressive on vault). In general, I found Shannon to be far too prissy for my liking.
Yes, however Shannon's major error on floor (a huge step back) was on a pass that was no where near as diffuclt as Gutsu. Hence, Gutsu outscored Miller. Miller took a step on her second pass.
Yes, but Gutsu's pass was more difficult pass than Miller's. Gutsu was doing a double layout and she split her legs during the first salto. Not only was she the only one to do that in 92, I have yet to see another preform it. Miller also took a step, but on a much easier pass (a double pike). So, even though they both took steps, because the pass that Miller stepped on was easier, her score was lowere.
Gutsu was preforming a double layout and she intentionally spilt her legs mid air. The 85% of gymnast doing double layouts in the 1996 Olumpics were not spliting their legs mid air. Gutsu remains one of the few women to tweak a double layout like that, maing the move that much harder. And a step, whether it's forward or backward, is going to be a tenth of a point. Shannon's step came on a much easier pass than Gutsu's pass in92.
Well, I said a step, wheather it's forward or backward, is going to be a 10 of a point. Which is true, a step forward in the 90's was a tenth of a point.
Yes, but the judges must take a tenth of a point, regardless of how big or small it is, forward or backwards. Miller's step in 1996 was very large, and she almost touched the floor with her hands. Therefore, the judges took off more points. But the required deduction is a .10 of a point. Usually, when a gymnast takes a step, it's a big step, or she takes more than one step, or she wobbles (as Shannon did) they'll take off more.
Her score was a 9.618. So if she really were deducted 3 tenths for falling forward it would have been a 9.918 which under 1996 floor scoring would be a ridiculous score for her. So obviously she wasnt deducted three tenths. Two tenths at most, maybe not even that.
In the old days, when the perfect 10 was in operation, there were no distinctions between mistakes after difficult or easy moves. The same deductions applied. Although this is still true today, things are offset by high start values for overall difficult routines.
In the old days, when the perfect 10 was in operation, it came down to start value. If a move was out of a 10 and a girl bobble on it, she could still score a 9.9, whereas if the move was out of a 9.9 and she preformed it perfectly, she could still only score a 9.9. Each move has a value from A (being basic) to E (very difficult). Although the deductions were still the same, because Gutsu probably had an E element, as opposed to Miller, who was doing a less difficult element, maybe a C or D.
@Lilstarrgazr did the COP allow for distinctions between skill level? A step is a step, regardless. Gutus and Miller should have lost at least a tenth on floor. If that rule had been used approproately, the gymnasts would have tied. Gutsu also received a 9.925 on a vault in which she took a hop. again, inconsistence judging
@redsoxgirl0280 The COP had (and still has, I believe) distinction for elements beginning with A (basic) through E (extremely difficult). That's why sometimes, a perfect looking move could've been scored lower than a routine that was flawed--the flawed routine was a hire graded move. A step is a step, and should be a tenth, but look at Lysenko's vault. She did a double twisting Yurchenko, took a step, and got a 9.25--rewarded for her difficulty.
@redsoxgirl0280 Basically, I'm paraphrasing from Kerri Strug's autobiography--I have no idea why Shannon got more deductions than Gutsu. My only thought is that Gutsu took a step on a much more difficult and unique skill than Shannon, and therefore, was rewarded, if you will for taking that risk.
@redsoxgirl0280 a small step was definitely not a full tenth under 92 scoring standards. Heck it wasnt even under 96 scoring standards. By the way if Miller were to actually be deducted a full tenth on floor she never would have gotten a 9.900. Her floor sure as hell wasnt worth a 10 if done without a mistake.
I dont think so. The closest I can think of was Dawes doing two back handsprings into a full twisting double back. I was surprised that she scored lower then Miller on beam in the AA. It is a shame her superior difficulty was not rewarded enough. Thank goodness Gutsu won the AA in the end anyway.
Way undermarked compared to Miller. There is no way this routine should have been outscored by Miller's beam in the AA but it was. Miller had great difficulty but still Gutsu had much more difficulty. Miller's 2 wobbles were bigger then Gutsu's tiny wobble and tiny step on the landing. Those who think Miller was robbed of the gold are smoking something.
Her form alone should have cost Gutsu the 1992 Olympic title. Miller was BY FAR the superior athlete of those games. Remember, Miller's difficulty exceeded that of everyone (except Gutsu, on occasion). Miller was able to better combined difficulty and execution ... that is undeniable.
Did Gutsu display elegant form and good toe point? Three consecutive layouts? Back to back releases on bars? The most perfect Yurchenko full ever performed in Olympic competition? NO, SHE DIDN'T! Sorry, Karen, but I do not share your opinion at all. It is so crystal clear to me that the Olympic AA Gold in Barcelona went to the wrong athlete. Although Gutsu was great, Miller was better - more consistent and technically solid than Gutsu was.
The classic debate of whether difficulty w/poorer execution trumps relative ease w/better execution. There's no way Miller could have done Gutsu's routines, particularly beam. Gutsu's beam ranks, 16 years later, as one of the most difficult ever. Look at the dismount! However, there's no way Gutsu could have done Miller's routines with that form. I'd give the edge to Gutsu simply because she pushed the sport forward, but you easily argue for Miller, as she perfected the sport at its then-state.
Very well said. You could make arguments for either, but both are great champion, and some of these people care about their hero more then the gymnast themselves do which is pathetic.
I agree with everyone, and reckon that both of these girls were superb gymnasts; had you combined them, they would have made the ultimate athlete.
Visually I prefer Miller, but as for sheer daring and excitement? Gutsu wins hands-down.
Miller would have been AA champ had she got Gutsu's determination to perform outrageously difficult tricks, and Gutsu could have had less criticism had she got the polish & high level of execution Miller had.
In the end they both needed what the other one had.
Gutsu's was from 3 backhandsprings. Do you know how difficult that is? I highly doubt anyone will ever do it again just based on its difficulty alone. There is SOOO much more risk in Gutsu's dismount than Shannon's. There is minimal risk in just doing a roundoff full in. Why do you think so many gymnasts just do that, a roundoff to a full in? Because there is much less risk.
The fact that you even consider Shannon's dismount harder proves that you're clueless about gymnastics.
@bbhouk1 Every time you reply like you have been you continue to reinforce the fact that I'm right. LOL.
The person who is looking like an idiot replying is you. Because every time you reply you further prove that you can't come up with a valid argument to my point. So, please, just do YOURSELF a favor and stop replying. If you wish to continue, than fine. Just let it be known that you're the one looking more and more like an idiot replying.
look, it's been a long hard day at work, im sick, and i have a migraine that feels like it's about to split my head open. I don't need your crap. I am sick of finding you in my inbox. From now on if i see your name, i'm not even going to open it. Just please STOP REPLYING.
When you compare her difficulty to say, Zmeskal's, it is an extreme contrast. Bela wanted everyone to faint over Kim sticking a double back dismount and not wobbling on her 2 layouts. Of course, Kim was amazing in her own right, but I think Karolyi should have had her doing more difficult stuff.
Okay i was only 1 when the 92 olympics. So im not familer with the places and everything. I know Zemeskel fell but who got the AA? And who got silver and bronze?
Now that you say it, it might not be, but the part of the song where the car sound would have happened is drowned out by the applause and Gutsu landing her full twisting standing back. Does anybody know who the gymnast is who used the music?
Yes, this music is from the 1992 movie "The Cutting Edge". It is the music that the figure skating pair skates to in their short program in the movie. Cool, huh??
It is her floor music. Her coach, Mary Lee Tracy, seems to always have one athlete who preforms to that music. It's also the music they use in The Cutting Edge. PS--it can be the same song even if they edited in the floor sounds. The compulsory music in 96 is actually a 10 minute long song.
she made them technically. all six of the unified team made them. coaches are allowed to (or were then) replace another gymnast. only 3 per country were allowed.
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This beam routine is not only the hardest back then, but could then compete with today's top elite gymnasts. If she is still competing, she only need to fill the basic element requirement, since her difficult is massive. Gutsu does THREE back handspring to full in as dismount, which may well be the hardest beam dismount ever performed. Plus Gutsu also does standing full twist and two layout, shawn only does one. She certainly proved that gymnastics is difficult back in 90s.
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Planetimage2 1 month ago
It's funny that she competes that standing back that is so similar to what shawn johnson used in her gold medal balance beam routine in 2008.
purplegirl353 3 months ago
She did wonderfully but her teammate Rozalia Galiyeva should have been there. She was the one that qualified.
Stonymypony 6 months ago
Shannon was underscored on vault but Tatiana was underscored on beam with maybe the hardest beam routine and she got 9.925 on floor because she had one of the most difficult routine of those games, Miller in the other hand had one of the easiest floor routines of all the big names (Lisenko, Onodi, Milosovici, Mitova, Bontas, Chusovitina, Zmeskal, Gutsu or even Galieva or Neculita) on UB Gutsu had more amplitude on her releases than Miller and a double layout dismount
hjaidar 6 months ago
She deserved the All Around Gold for that beam dismount alone!! I love Gutsu
shardyshaw 6 months ago
yeeeo i fuckin love gymastics , is diffucult shieet yeo.. i got respect for these bitches XP
sweettoothsammy123 6 months ago
two words carly patterson
fizzywizzy2006 8 months ago
The music in the background is from The Cutting Edge! lol
danasuperstar 10 months ago
Is there ever a beam routine in which the landing isn't critical?
zabag 11 months ago 3
she just makes it so easily, it´s a huge difficulty with a great executtion, she deserved!
ginastasdaelite 1 year ago
So I've figured it out - The song in the background, "The Race" by Yello is 1996 American Jaycie Phelps's floor music but during these games, it was the floor music of Andrea Molnar from Hungary.
gamesetmatchjlh 1 year ago
@gamesetmatchjlh Thanks for sharing the information. I knew Phelps performed to Yellow in 1996, but I could never figure out who was on the floor at the time of Gutsu's beam routine. Ironically, I thought the Yellow music went great with Gutsu's beam routine if that makes sense. I will always associate this music to her amazing beam routine and I felt it fit with all her awesome moves. Whether people loved her or not (and I thought she was amazing) Certainly she was a beautiful daredevil!
pappysprite 1 year ago
underscored
Sweetcleopatraa 1 year ago
i feel like sticking the dismount used to be a lot more important (even though liukin won the aa essentially because she had better landings than johnson did). it's probably due to the new scoring system but i kind of miss seeing this many sticks :\
zhangshinyi 1 year ago
Even 18 years later, I still think she has the hardest beam dismount in history. If anyone knows of anything more difficult I would like to hear about it. Really! :)
jennifergraham1011 1 year ago 3
@jennifergraham1011 mai murakami.
KMoney3187 10 months ago
@KMoney3187 What dismount does she do? The only beam video I found on Youtube was of a routine ending in a triple full.
jennifergraham1011 10 months ago
@jennifergraham1011 triple full is just as hard.
KMoney3187 10 months ago
Beautiful...i watched this over and over again when I recorded it on VSH...half of you bitching about this routine probably weren't even born when this took place.
jeepgirlwa 1 year ago
She actually has great extension on her flip flop to two layout series, it takes up the entire beam.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 1 year ago
with the actual code, what would be the score for this routine?,..., it is amazing all the difficult skills she performed in this one
ramram70 1 year ago
That series before her dismount is ridiculous...plus she stuck her dismount! When was the last time a gymnast did a tumbling series before a G (in today's code) rated dismount?
markedexclusive 1 year ago 2
well boguinskaya scored a 9.912 with a lot less difficulty than both miller and gutsu, and she had a wobble. as well. i think the judging was very inconsistent at these games. milosovici scored a 9.9 because of a small hop on her bars dismount, but a 9.912 in event finals when she took a large step back. in some ways, i think milosovic should have won the AA.
redsoxgirl0280 1 year ago
Ridiculous scoring. This should have scored atleast a 9.975 based on the scoring of the 92 Games. It was atleast equally good to Lysenko's event finals gold routine. Miller had an easier routine with less amplitude, less rythym, and 2 obvious balance breaks that were bigger than Gutsu's 2 tiny errors, and gets a higher score. Thank goodness Gutsu won the AA as she would have been clearly robbed of it by the bogus beam scoring if she hadnt.
beckerbombs 1 year ago 6
I don't think gutsu was underscored at all.. she scooted her foot back on her dismount landing as well as had her chest low and had two balance checks.. one on her mount and one on her back tuck 1/1.... I believe this score was pretty close to accurate
NSUT09 1 year ago
@NSUT09 Compared to the other scores on beam especialy Miller, Gutsu was clearly underscored. Dont forgot how lax the 92 scoring standards were when trying to come up with an appropriate score.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago 2
I am a die hard shannon fan and she will be my favorite gymnast of all time and deserved the all around gold in 92..but I must admit the judges always robbed gutsu with this routine 9.912 was too low..and her routine at the worlds in 91 should have gotten gold..favorite dismount ever!
dahighbar 2 years ago 6
I agree that Gutsu was underscored on the beam, while Miller was overscored (she had a few balance checks). On the other hand, Gutsu was overscored on the floor and vault, while Miller was underscored on the latter -- not to mention the bars (she had the disadvantage of going before Gutsu).
JLFAN2009 1 year ago 3
@JLFAN2009 Gutsu was underscored on Beam, Overscored onfloor, appropriately scored on Bars AND Vault. Shannon was UNDERSCORED on vault and overscored on everything else except bars.
wexlerchick 1 year ago 3
Miller's vault might have been underscored but the fact that this only got a 9.915 is a disgrace.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago 6
@gymnasticsloverxoxo
the fact that any beam or floor routine in this olympics got above a 9.9 is sorta a disgrace.
i mean, imagine what score they would get it 2005! I'm not trying to be mean but still...
TwisterFlipp95 2 years ago 2
Yes of course it wouldn't get that in 2005, scoring has changed drastically, did you not know that? (that was not meant to be rude that was in all seriousness) Watch routines from the 1988 Olympics just before these Olympics, tens were given out like candy, so if you think that these Olympics are bad............these Olympics were actually rather fair with scoring.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
we are on the same track!
but i think the 92 olympics were worse, even if there were only 2 tens handed out.
like, in 1988 there were no routines that had enormous mistakes that got a 10, but in 1992, look at tatianas floor routine! a 9.926 with that first pass? thats just not right.
TwisterFlipp95 2 years ago 3
how can this routine have scored only a 9.912 and Miller's a 9.925 ??
She had incredible mastered difficulty ( the highest in the competition )
mikeouej 2 years ago 7
I am done with immature ignorrent people commenting on elite historic gymnasts with so much ignorant words like oh she wobbles in her full twist bla bla so she sucks , you guys cant even jump on your bed .
Enjoy the masterpieces we are lucky to watch on youtube and shut up or say something good .Those girls trained so hard!!
sochisochi 2 years ago 43
Very well said!
violet46 2 years ago
I agree very well said sochisochi
hankm77 2 years ago
@sochisochi AMEN :)
ajhornell 1 year ago
The floor music in the background sound so freaking familiar and I don't know why.
mercedeslove 2 years ago
Its called "The Race" from Yello....Jaycie Phelps used the same music for her floor routines in 95 and 96....different version of it though! I'd like to know who was on the floor though during this, to see how their routine looks to the music!
TikiBoy382 2 years ago
I honestly have to say this has always been my favorite beam routine. I was in total awe when I watched this during the Olympics. I met her years ago when she lived and trained in Indianaplis - such a wonderful and sweet person. You see her moves being performed by many today, but truly set the pace.
pappysprite 2 years ago
underscored?!?! she was graced with not even a full tenth deduction when it should've been at least .15!!!!!!
GosfordAbercrombie 2 years ago
I remember when she came to visit my gym in 93, and they showed video of her win.. she was so stone faced. I was so so excited to meet her, but there were people who were openly talking about how Shannon should have won, how the EUN team cheated, blah blah.. there's a lot of discussion to be had about that comp, but not w Tatiana sitting right there! That must have been so hard for her..
kras118 2 years ago
Tatiana always looked so feeble, timid, scared, she was the exact opposite of your average "tiger" of a gymnast, she looked like an innocent little kid.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
She basically was, she had a complete breakdown after the Olympics, she was just a pawn in other peoples, political games...She had no say in the scores she got ...
emmyjo720 2 years ago 10
Im sorry, what do you mean?
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
Tatiana Gutsu had a horrible time in Barcelona, she had a nervous breakdown as a result....First she fell off the beam, when she supposed to the star of her team, then replaced Roza Galieva, which put even more pressure on her to justify that move, and then her victory was tainted by those that said she shouldn't have won... She was 15 and had not control over the situation, the PTB of the old Soviet system were still surrounding her though the USSR was gone....
emmyjo720 2 years ago
can u elaborate on this? gutsu always looked miserable IMO and i have been curious for years as to how her life was under the USSR and afterwards for the UKR
redsoxgirl0280 2 years ago
When she was used to replace Roza Galieva she was expected to win... Can you imagine being 15 years old and having that pressure? She got ostersized and hated for it and also for winning a gold when people doubted her victory...People that hate on her seem to forget she was 15 and had no say in it..
Replacing gymnasts is not unusual.. Shushunova and Omelianchek got their break that way in 1985, but Shush says she was knew she was expected to win and would be finished if she did not..
emmyjo720 2 years ago
However, the Old Life rule was in operation for the 1985 Worlds -- making it more difficult for substitute athletes to win. There are three reasons why Gutsu is thought of as the undeserving winner in Barcelona: (1) she didn't legitimately qualify (given the three-per-country rule); (2) she was overscored on floor and vault; and (3) the New Life rule (implemented in 1989), which benefited Tatiana, was still perceived as being unjust.
JLFAN2009 2 years ago
Bollocks to everything you have said....The substituting the Romanians did it in 96 and Russians in 2000., though it is trickier now with the gymnasts able to specialise.... She was not overscored on floor or vault..Miller made mistakes on floor... Gutsu's was harder and she was European Champion....Gutsu wasn't overscored on vault...Miller was underscored...That poor girl went through hell and was never allowed to enjoy her win...The people that are most vitriolic are die hard Shannon fans
emmyjo720 2 years ago
I have to agree that Miller's vault was underscored. No errors whatsoever...it should've gotten a 10.
violet46 2 years ago 4
@emmyjo720 Yes that is correct. It was just crazy.
LCAmarkymark 11 months ago
@emmyjo720 really? what's was the story there? i dont remember. i just remember that this girl replaced somebody.
ILoveFriedFetus 2 months ago
@ILoveFriedFetus Only 3 gymnasts form each country could compete in the AA finals and because of Gutsu's fall from the beam her teamates had higher AA scores than her. But the coaches felt that Gutsu had better chances for gold so they said that the gymnast who had origianlly qualified, Roza Galieva, was injured so Gutsu competed instead of he. Personally I feel really bad for Galieva but to me Gutsu was one of the most talented all-arounders and it would be such a pitty if she didn't compete
xrictinagymnastics 5 days ago
that dismount is unbelievable. And those awful NBC commentators keep talking about how difficult Shawn Johnson's beam dismount is...
joaopumper 2 years ago
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gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
not the same dismount. gutsu tumbled into the dismount. johnson did it out of a round-off.
chitownslygirl 2 years ago
Yes but the actual dismount is the same, double back w/ full twist, the wind ups for it are different though not to mention nowadays you do not get credit for repeating skill sin a row so she would only have gotten the credit for one back handspring but she would have gotten the connection value.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
BG is 0.7, but BBBG is 0.9
yueshili 2 years ago
That dismount is insane!
chitownslygirl 2 years ago
Her head is always down on her beam routines - it drives me crazy. The skills are cool, but that's about it. She was also pretty low on that tucked full - dismount is the best part of the routine!
TuesdayPillow 2 years ago
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gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
I like this routine
sochisochi 2 years ago
God look how close her head was to the beam on the dismount
Yangyun4ever 3 years ago
wgss why do you pick on people your own species you know like gorrilas they really suit you =)
maxy7792 3 years ago
hey Wsggs where the hell did that come from that was uncalled for at least my head isent in the shape of a tampon and i am not a pizza face
maxy7792 3 years ago
Again, you can't prove the negative of your own arguments.
P.S. My skin is quite clear, thanks for your concern. :]
WSggs 3 years ago
thank you millerowns finnaly someone with a brain in their head UNLINE SOMONE I KNOW cough cough, WGSS
hey a hole guess what wgss RETARTED NAME
maxy7792 3 years ago
YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.
P.S. Maxy > Maxi pad.
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WSggs 3 years ago 2
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omgg are you kidding me all her moves were off except her layouts SO GET A FRIGGEN LIFE
maxy7792 3 years ago
Gutsu had more difficulty than Shannon.
She could afford to bobble, Shannon couldn't.
SO GET A FRIGGIN LIFE.
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WSggs 3 years ago 8
are you kidding me all her moves were off except her layouts SO GET A FRIGGEN LIFE
millerowns 3 years ago
My god, you are SO entertaining.
You should join the circus. I think it's your calling.
WSggs 3 years ago
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wtf shannon miller is so much better she is not as pretty but she is a better gymnast, so she had more difficult skills BUT she bobbled on almost all of them, like when she first mounted that back layout was completley unbalanced none of her moves were meanwhile shannnon miller does it perfectly with no bobbles or anything
maxy7792 3 years ago
Funny, the only example you give of her bobbling on almost every move is on her mount...
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago 7
It's not nice to pick on the mentally challenged.
Shame on you.
WSggs 3 years ago
Eh?
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago
I love her Rufolva.
QueenieQue 3 years ago 2
Isn't she like or 16 here? She looks just like the Chinese gymnasts at the olympics....
be2000be 3 years ago
Has someone calculated her difficulty score under the new scoring system? I imagine it would be really high. Her dismount would probably be the most difficult today, and very few people are doing standing fulls. The broadcasters were gushing about Shawn's full twisting double, but Gustu does that off three back handsprings! I know that her routine would have been choreographed differently toay to maximize the points, but what would she have been anyway---6.5 maybe?
Pregolegs 3 years ago 4
Not to take sides, but honestly, Tatiana's routines looked harder.
tramberly 3 years ago 11
Gutsu did not have poor execution. Miller had better form on vault and beam, but that does not mean Gutsu's was poor. It is like saying Miller's beam was not difficult just because Gutsu's was much more difficult. Miller with her 2 significant bobbles on beam, and big step back on floor, had more mistakes too. Gutsu had better amplitude on her moves except on vault. Lastly Millers tumbling passes on floor showed the poorest form of either on any event with her gross wide cowboyed full ins.
russianskatingfan 3 years ago 5
she's a legend. It's so amazing to watch that stuff. I think 1992 was the highlight of women gymnastics!
jehenisus 3 years ago 5
Does her frame remind anyone else of Emilia Eberle's? They're both pretty skinny, but Gutsu is better
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago
Underscored
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago 5
I think this is the most difficult beam dismount ever done: I may be wrong, but I think this is harder than Carly Pattersons roundoff flick double Arabian dismount.
ralucagymnast 3 years ago
na theyre both the same difficulty, they r G skills
mistybabe5489 3 years ago
Cool! Thanks for that:)
ralucagymnast 3 years ago
I think this is harder to perform!
spartyutube 3 years ago
I think so too: even though hers and Carly's are both G value skills, I think that you need to have lots of stamina and endurance to keep enough power to get a full-in all the way around after 3 backhandsprings. Carly's dismount does change direction, which is very tough, but I think that Tatiana's dismount would be physically more taxing.
ralucagymnast 3 years ago 2
way better than miller, but miller's more elegant on the beam
rexus82 3 years ago 2
beam was much more difficult back then..
tombarnes123 4 years ago 3
wat r u talikin about, its at its hardest now
mistybabe5489 3 years ago
is a round off back handspring backhandspring dismount harder than a three backhandspring dismount?
cherrymangocitrus 4 years ago
Yes and no: the round off gives you more momentum and power into the backhandsprings, but the timing has to be spot on. Three backhandsprings is very hard because you need the endurance not to "run out of steam" at the end; the fact that Tatiana could do 3 backhandsprings and STILL have enough power to get a full-in out of it is just astonishing and unbelievable.
ralucagymnast 3 years ago 2
Well, and simply put, a round-off is considered an "easier" move than a back handspring. I can't even do a round-off though!
Lilstarrgazr 3 years ago
Gutsu got a 9.912
Awesome routine.
Lilia96 4 years ago 7
Her score was too low.
lambielkwanfan 4 years ago 5
How in the name of God did Shannon Miller get a higher score than this on beam????This had tremendous difficulty; even nowadays the skills she performs get tremendous respect. A standing full is no walk in the park, neither is a Rufolva, and as for that dismount, well, I have never seen anybody else but Tatiana have the sheer guts to perform it! How the hell did Shannon get a higher score than Tatiana??? Were the judges even watching this routine???
ralucagymnast 3 years ago 11
Chill. She still won. Plus one could argue that the judges sure as hell weren't watching Shannon's vault that night; a ten no doubt.
gymiskrunk 3 years ago
So it is ok for Miller backers to whine about the vault scores where Miller was already 0.025 higher, but wrong for Gutsu backers to question the scoring anywhere else? How stupid. It is true it is ridiculous this got only a 9.912 and Miller a 9.925. Gutsu clearly had the harder routine, and Miller had 2 major balance breaks which were not properly deducted at all. Gustu should have scored atleast half a tenth higher yet Miller actually scores higher here. What a joke.
beckerbombs 3 years ago 6
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Gutsu had neither the form nor grace of Miller. Difficulty wise, Gutsu was slightly on top. But, look at Gutsu's major error on her floor mount. That alone should have cost her the gold - that and her legs apart Yurchenko-full.
TuesdayPillow 4 years ago
Are you kidding? There is no way that Miller could even come close to Gutsu. I'd like to see Miller attempt a standing full on beam.
grantsherman23 4 years ago 8
Not to mention that Gutsu could actually do her acrobatics with amplitude (Miller's amplitude was only impressive on vault). In general, I found Shannon to be far too prissy for my liking.
gk891 3 years ago 6
This is true-Gutsu had the greater amplitude overall which made her gymnastics look more spectacular if not as elegant as Shannon's.
audie83 3 years ago 7
Yes, however Shannon's major error on floor (a huge step back) was on a pass that was no where near as diffuclt as Gutsu. Hence, Gutsu outscored Miller. Miller took a step on her second pass.
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gymnasticsloverxoxo 3 years ago 2
Yes, but Gutsu's pass was more difficult pass than Miller's. Gutsu was doing a double layout and she split her legs during the first salto. Not only was she the only one to do that in 92, I have yet to see another preform it. Miller also took a step, but on a much easier pass (a double pike). So, even though they both took steps, because the pass that Miller stepped on was easier, her score was lowere.
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gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
Gutsu was preforming a double layout and she intentionally spilt her legs mid air. The 85% of gymnast doing double layouts in the 1996 Olumpics were not spliting their legs mid air. Gutsu remains one of the few women to tweak a double layout like that, maing the move that much harder. And a step, whether it's forward or backward, is going to be a tenth of a point. Shannon's step came on a much easier pass than Gutsu's pass in92.
Lilstarrgazr 2 years ago
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gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
Well, I said a step, wheather it's forward or backward, is going to be a 10 of a point. Which is true, a step forward in the 90's was a tenth of a point.
Lilstarrgazr 2 years ago
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gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
Yes, but the judges must take a tenth of a point, regardless of how big or small it is, forward or backwards. Miller's step in 1996 was very large, and she almost touched the floor with her hands. Therefore, the judges took off more points. But the required deduction is a .10 of a point. Usually, when a gymnast takes a step, it's a big step, or she takes more than one step, or she wobbles (as Shannon did) they'll take off more.
Lilstarrgazr 2 years ago
No she didnt. She lost 2 tenths at most. She also had a step out of bounds which was another tenth.
serenakicksass 2 years ago 3
She lost three tenths, she did not go out of bounds her score was about a 9.618. This is from her team optional floor.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
So you think she was going to get a 9.918 on floor at the Olympics!?!? You are delusional. Like I said she lost 2 tenths at most.
serenakicksass 2 years ago 2
No when did I ever say she was going to get that score. Shannon got deducted three tenths for falling forward.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
Her score was a 9.618. So if she really were deducted 3 tenths for falling forward it would have been a 9.918 which under 1996 floor scoring would be a ridiculous score for her. So obviously she wasnt deducted three tenths. Two tenths at most, maybe not even that.
serenakicksass 2 years ago
In the old days, when the perfect 10 was in operation, there were no distinctions between mistakes after difficult or easy moves. The same deductions applied. Although this is still true today, things are offset by high start values for overall difficult routines.
JLFAN2008 2 years ago
In the old days, when the perfect 10 was in operation, it came down to start value. If a move was out of a 10 and a girl bobble on it, she could still score a 9.9, whereas if the move was out of a 9.9 and she preformed it perfectly, she could still only score a 9.9. Each move has a value from A (being basic) to E (very difficult). Although the deductions were still the same, because Gutsu probably had an E element, as opposed to Miller, who was doing a less difficult element, maybe a C or D.
Lilstarrgazr 2 years ago
@Lilstarrgazr did the COP allow for distinctions between skill level? A step is a step, regardless. Gutus and Miller should have lost at least a tenth on floor. If that rule had been used approproately, the gymnasts would have tied. Gutsu also received a 9.925 on a vault in which she took a hop. again, inconsistence judging
redsoxgirl0280 1 year ago
@redsoxgirl0280 The COP had (and still has, I believe) distinction for elements beginning with A (basic) through E (extremely difficult). That's why sometimes, a perfect looking move could've been scored lower than a routine that was flawed--the flawed routine was a hire graded move. A step is a step, and should be a tenth, but look at Lysenko's vault. She did a double twisting Yurchenko, took a step, and got a 9.25--rewarded for her difficulty.
Lilstarrgazr 1 year ago
@redsoxgirl0280 Basically, I'm paraphrasing from Kerri Strug's autobiography--I have no idea why Shannon got more deductions than Gutsu. My only thought is that Gutsu took a step on a much more difficult and unique skill than Shannon, and therefore, was rewarded, if you will for taking that risk.
Lilstarrgazr 1 year ago
@redsoxgirl0280 a small step was definitely not a full tenth under 92 scoring standards. Heck it wasnt even under 96 scoring standards. By the way if Miller were to actually be deducted a full tenth on floor she never would have gotten a 9.900. Her floor sure as hell wasnt worth a 10 if done without a mistake.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
I remember Miller's score was a 9.925 on beam, what was Gutsu's for this routine?
applepie708 4 years ago
i always loved this gymnast. i think she deserved the gold in 1992. her routines were so dynamic....
tramngu 4 years ago 4
Pity she didn't make the BB final, she could've easily won.
Has anyone competed that dismount after her?
isa1285 4 years ago 8
I dont think so. The closest I can think of was Dawes doing two back handsprings into a full twisting double back. I was surprised that she scored lower then Miller on beam in the AA. It is a shame her superior difficulty was not rewarded enough. Thank goodness Gutsu won the AA in the end anyway.
heninwarrior 4 years ago 6
Gutsu is so riveting!! Her BB routine is full of difficulties.
molly2222 4 years ago 6
Way undermarked compared to Miller. There is no way this routine should have been outscored by Miller's beam in the AA but it was. Miller had great difficulty but still Gutsu had much more difficulty. Miller's 2 wobbles were bigger then Gutsu's tiny wobble and tiny step on the landing. Those who think Miller was robbed of the gold are smoking something.
russianskatingfan 4 years ago 9
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Tatiana is very flat-footed! She cannot even begin to compare with Shannon Miller's perfect form! I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH YOU MORE!!!
todosobretodo 4 years ago
Of course you couldn't! And if you weren't so biased towards Miller, you would see what russianskatingfan meant!
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago
Her form alone should have cost Gutsu the 1992 Olympic title. Miller was BY FAR the superior athlete of those games. Remember, Miller's difficulty exceeded that of everyone (except Gutsu, on occasion). Miller was able to better combined difficulty and execution ... that is undeniable.
todosobretodo 3 years ago
Did Miller have a standing full? A rulfova? Three back handsprings to a full in? DLO with a leg split? NO!
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago 4
Did Gutsu display elegant form and good toe point? Three consecutive layouts? Back to back releases on bars? The most perfect Yurchenko full ever performed in Olympic competition? NO, SHE DIDN'T! Sorry, Karen, but I do not share your opinion at all. It is so crystal clear to me that the Olympic AA Gold in Barcelona went to the wrong athlete. Although Gutsu was great, Miller was better - more consistent and technically solid than Gutsu was.
todosobretodo 3 years ago
To each his own then :) Let's leave it t that.
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago 3
The classic debate of whether difficulty w/poorer execution trumps relative ease w/better execution. There's no way Miller could have done Gutsu's routines, particularly beam. Gutsu's beam ranks, 16 years later, as one of the most difficult ever. Look at the dismount! However, there's no way Gutsu could have done Miller's routines with that form. I'd give the edge to Gutsu simply because she pushed the sport forward, but you easily argue for Miller, as she perfected the sport at its then-state.
Pregolegs 3 years ago 20
Very well said. You could make arguments for either, but both are great champion, and some of these people care about their hero more then the gymnast themselves do which is pathetic.
beckerbombs 3 years ago 3
I agree with everyone, and reckon that both of these girls were superb gymnasts; had you combined them, they would have made the ultimate athlete.
Visually I prefer Miller, but as for sheer daring and excitement? Gutsu wins hands-down.
Miller would have been AA champ had she got Gutsu's determination to perform outrageously difficult tricks, and Gutsu could have had less criticism had she got the polish & high level of execution Miller had.
In the end they both needed what the other one had.
prinny076 3 years ago 3
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bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1 How? Both did a full twisting double back, but Shannon did hers from a round-off, while Gutsu did hers from three back handsprings!
Pregolegs 1 year ago
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bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1 ... no.
Gutsu's was from 3 backhandsprings. Do you know how difficult that is? I highly doubt anyone will ever do it again just based on its difficulty alone. There is SOOO much more risk in Gutsu's dismount than Shannon's. There is minimal risk in just doing a roundoff full in. Why do you think so many gymnasts just do that, a roundoff to a full in? Because there is much less risk.
The fact that you even consider Shannon's dismount harder proves that you're clueless about gymnastics.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago 3
@Gr33nkiwi
"clueless about gymnastics"
you're such an idiot how can I be clueless about gymnastics, i AM a gymnast.
bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1 Obviously not a good one.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
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bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1
You're the one who had NO reply to my comment. Clearly you can't think of a valid argument.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi what part of "don't bother replying" do you not understand?
the "don't" part?
bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1 Every time you reply like you have been you continue to reinforce the fact that I'm right. LOL.
The person who is looking like an idiot replying is you. Because every time you reply you further prove that you can't come up with a valid argument to my point. So, please, just do YOURSELF a favor and stop replying. If you wish to continue, than fine. Just let it be known that you're the one looking more and more like an idiot replying.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi
wow.
bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1
Again, proving you have no counterargument to my point.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi
look, it's been a long hard day at work, im sick, and i have a migraine that feels like it's about to split my head open. I don't need your crap. I am sick of finding you in my inbox. From now on if i see your name, i'm not even going to open it. Just please STOP REPLYING.
bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1 Again, proving you have no counterargument to my point.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
i love that dismount
f2781 4 years ago
When you compare her difficulty to say, Zmeskal's, it is an extreme contrast. Bela wanted everyone to faint over Kim sticking a double back dismount and not wobbling on her 2 layouts. Of course, Kim was amazing in her own right, but I think Karolyi should have had her doing more difficult stuff.
lostlyrarose 4 years ago 2
hey dionnewarwick...do you have a video of her team optional beam routine?? or does anyone??? the one where she fell???
gymnasticsforever17 4 years ago
Okay i was only 1 when the 92 olympics. So im not familer with the places and everything. I know Zemeskel fell but who got the AA? And who got silver and bronze?
ladyfallsalot 4 years ago
Tatiana Gutsu won Shannon miller got silver and Lavinia Milosovici got the bronze
gymnasticsforever17 4 years ago
omg that was an awesome routine! her dismount was the best i have ever seen!
AARcrazzy 4 years ago
Isn't that Jaycie Phelp's 1996 floor music in the background?
nrm1000 4 years ago
haha yeah, i noticed that too!!
ShaefDawg 4 years ago
i actually dont think it is because phelps music started with like the noise of a car
gymnasticsforever17 4 years ago
Now that you say it, it might not be, but the part of the song where the car sound would have happened is drowned out by the applause and Gutsu landing her full twisting standing back. Does anybody know who the gymnast is who used the music?
nrm1000 4 years ago
it is phelps' music but im not sure what gymnast used it here.
jpalmettoguy 4 years ago
Yes, this music is from the 1992 movie "The Cutting Edge". It is the music that the figure skating pair skates to in their short program in the movie. Cool, huh??
todosobretodo 4 years ago
music is by yellow
bendonna 4 years ago
It is her floor music. Her coach, Mary Lee Tracy, seems to always have one athlete who preforms to that music. It's also the music they use in The Cutting Edge. PS--it can be the same song even if they edited in the floor sounds. The compulsory music in 96 is actually a 10 minute long song.
Lilstarrgazr 3 years ago
go gurl.
jpalmettoguy 4 years ago
nevertheless she was an amazing gymnast.
bendonna 4 years ago
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It wasnt fair that she won, because she did not make the all around finals, they cheated and she should have been disqualified.
bendonna 4 years ago
she made them technically. all six of the unified team made them. coaches are allowed to (or were then) replace another gymnast. only 3 per country were allowed.
jpalmettoguy 4 years ago
she made it yes, but the rule stated a gymnast had to be injured...and this was not the case, so they cheated.