It annoys me how much you guys fight!! I have both Mac and PC products and for things like music editing, video editing and etc. you want a Mac. For gaming and general internet and computer things you want a PC!!!!!!! So get over it you guys!! Xbox and ps3 are both good, PC and Mac are both good, and Coke and Pepsi are both good so shut the fuck up and stop trying so hard to be right about something people will NEVER agree on
the thing you console gamers have to understand is that when every new gen console is released it is only neck and neck with PC for 3 to 6 months. See, the PC market world gets new hardware every 3 to 6 months, CPU's, ram, mobos, video cards, entire platforms and chipsets. so 3 to 6 months after your console gets release you are immediately outdated for the next 15 to 20 years or god only knows when new consoles get released. educate your selfs and don't be afraid of technology.
@insecur Bravo. I play the same game on my PS3 and it runs wonderful. PC gaming was good before ps3 and xbox 360 arrived but now it sucks cause the same games costs more on PC than the consoles plus compatibility issues. PC gaming has lost it's touch RIP to pc gaming
@damaxae93 Oh who plays games with a mac? Oh why pay 2500 dollars for a mac to play a game? buy a ps3 for 250 dollars and you get blu ray and 3d blu ray and the list goes on. Yes I do have apple yesterday I went shopping and I bought 4 apples. I ate one today and it tasted great. By the way I hate both Microsoft and Apple company their product both suck.
Oh, no, my life won't be complete until I have a computer that can play games, 'till then, I will just be a piece of crap that uses his computer for productive things, and being creative - the LEAST important occupation/human instinct of them all...
i'm using a mac. why? mac os x has just so much better using experience than windows and i don't have to pay for anything else than the internet and electricity. everything that i need came with the mac already without anything useless trial-crap. but it's missing one element: games. and that's why i have something called bootcamp. now my mac has everything that i need from a computer. anything to complain about, bitches? : )
@potatojuice321 Macs are over $1000 more than its PC equivalent, not to mention you have to pay for windows to play your games. With over $1000, PCs can get everything they "need" and still have enough money to upgrade to a shiny new Radeon HD 6850 and an intel i7.
@anotherturkey wow, $1000? luckily here in Finland they're not so overpriced! if you complain about some product's price, then you're too poor to buy it. i guess macs are rich peoples' thing then...
@potatojuice321 You're spending over twice the amount of money you actually need to spend for a PC with the exact same specs. It's not a rich people's thing. Everyone and their mothers uses them in my school and frankly, all I've seen them do with their macs is play music, watch videos and surf the internet. My neighbor uses a MBP. I don't know how much it actually cost but the base price: $1799. It performs even worse than my $600 laptop.
@anotherturkey If you wanted to run Mac OS X on your windows computer, you would have to pay for that operating system, also, Mac OS X is only $50 for the full version (the only version(smart)), AND you would have the burden of having to be careful not to get caught with an illegal piece of software on your computer. However I would like to mention that I do still like Windows, I just prefer Mac.
@aussienerds Fair point, but there isn't that much of a reason for PC users to use a Mac aside from developing iOS apps, but windows already has their own way of doing that for an even lower price.
@anotherturkey I understand the redundancy that some Windows users may see in having Mac OS X installed on their computer. However, take a good example to support my case - My best friend hates Mac. But he likes to make movies with me, movies with reasonably advanced editing and effects, he despises the thought of using Sony Vegas Pro on his computer, he comes to my place just to use my Mac for Final Cut Pro X and Motion 5. He also wishes he could have Pixelmator, an excellent PS competitor.
@aussienerds So, my point is, he would VERY strongly benefit from having Mac OS X installed on his Windows based desktop computer. He wants to be a graphic designer, all of the software that he needs is better and/or available on Mac.
@aussienerds Fair point. That makes mac a good candidate for someone who dedicates time to movie making/graphic designing. But I must point out that your friend's preferences aren't representative of all PC users, many of whom love using Sony Vegas. I am not experienced with graphic designing myself, but I'm pretty sure that PCs have the potential to be equally capable in this field with the right software and equal hardware specs.
@anotherturkey Indeed the software for Windows is very capable, however, Macs are the ideal choice, Professionals use them for most media productions. And Mac has more cheap software that performs very well. So Mac is not just useful to professionals, but to aspiring designers too. I realise that not everyone wants to be a graphic designer or a movie editor. I just don't want us to start assuming that everyone that uses a computer just wants to game on it, because that's usually the argument.
@potatojuice321 So you spend more money on less powerful device in which you're force to use other softwares to run games on it, because OS is that shitty? You're happy about it? Mac vs PC commercials convinced you? You was often experiencing troubles with PC? How could you?
To be honnest, this is not my or anyones problem except you do you have mac or not. No one even cares, but it just bad people are fooled macs are better than PC. In most cases they are way much worse.
@DarkPatro56 money isn't the question in here you fucking dumbass... if you complain about something you can't afford, then you're just poor and jealous. money isn't a problem for me. macs are ALOT better in my opinion, but the only thing that they miss is the games "because the OS is that shitty?" it's the game companies' fault if they don't do their games for mac. i'm very happy to own a mac, but the windows 7 in it is very shitty. it's the only problem you know
@potatojuice321 Lol. You just didn't know you could afford something better for that prize, but limited os, underpowered and overprized with slick case with aplle logo machine was better choice for ya. You love them because windows was too complicated for ya? Vista was crap btw. You love them, but you don't really know why. Isn't it true? Buying for trends is the worst thing. What other reason you had to buy device like this? Seriously. Hard to belive what's the reason. Ads?
I still don't get this "useless trial crap" stuff. On big box companies,you just delete it. If you build your own machine, you have none. Yes, you can use Bootcamp,which defeats the purpose of buying a Mac in the first place. Now, for all the money you've paid, you can experience gaming at 1/3 the level it was meant to be played at, thanks to Apple's insistence on using low-grade mobile video cards on their systems. That's a LOT of money to fork out for that.
@MaestroDraven say whatever you want to. and do you know why? bcs i don't really give a shit. low-grade video cards? well, those can be upgraded! my mac has everything i need, so you don't have to complain about how bad my desicion was for buying a mac. you hate macs, i'm fine with that. please post another comment, this is fun.
It's not meant to be an insult. Just understand that Apple has already price-gouged for vastly inferior hardware, forcing you to break out your wallet to "upgrade" as you say. They do this with RAM (Hynix, no less) and hard drives. It may have everything you need, but you just paid a ridiculous amount of money for it.
mac sucks it big time, u know that the mac is actually turning into a pc with software that is for the pc is now being installed on the mac so in fact the mac is turning into a pc
Everyone tells me that there is a pc equivalent of a mac at a lesser price.. Does that include quality too, or just value? I kinda just want quality right now.
Actually you can play any game you want on the Mac. It's called bootcamp. Sure you'll be paying extra money, but you'll get the best of PC and Mac. Why does everyone ignore this?
@zAnnekz You must be one of those ignorant dumbasses that have no sense and try to troll others without knowing how stupid they are making themselves look. I just said that a Mac could be just like a PC, so you can do anything that a PC can do but thanks to clever programming viruses that will only work for PC (99% of viruses are for PC) aren't going to affect you in any way on Mac. And firewalls can't protect everything.
It's funny because macs are more than able to run games now.
... agreed they tend cost a little more but you are paying for the logo and the operating system. People never seem to complain about buying branded clothes. Can't afford one? Quit whining and buy a PC.
@Rufucoll Yeah now macs can play plants vs Zombies like totally man! I love buying hardware that is 700 dollars more than the competition but with half the hardware and with a shitty OS
@Fixableguy I've got a mac mini I bought for under £500 and it's more than capable of playing Crysis 2. And the OS is more of a matter of opinion but for me, it's a shit load nicer to use than windows.
Windows 7 IS the superior OS because it has great multimonitor support, thousands of exclusive programs, file tree makes sense, thousands of configurable options, games (mac has like 5 games), and if I were here listing everything I would run out of space
1. I have no need for more than two monitors and I've never had an issue when I've run two on my mac.
2. I'm sure you prefer windows although I've used both extensively and I'm going to carry on saying I prefer OS X because it works perfectly for me with everything I want to do.
3. I have bootcamp so I also have Windows 7 for when I do have the desire to run things that haven't been made for mac eg games. So to be honest I can run anything on my computer.
@Rufucoll I dont need any "Boot camp" to also run another OS, I can easly buy OS X but I dont because everything it does can be done on windows. The GPU can barely play crysis 2 with a meer 15fps on lowest settings and low res. Thats not playable by any standard
@zAnnekz True but then you just switch over when you want to play games to windows. As much as I dislike windows, I am more than happy to use it for 15 seconds to open up a game.
@freehugsboy Now I know you are trolling, nice one. Macs are expensive peace of crap. Like, a 2k dollar MAC has the same hardware as a 500 dollar windows/linux PC.
@iqtuz no, im not trolling. i have a pc computer, and its a piece of shit. all of my friends have macs, and they arent expensive. my pc is 6 times slower than a mac, and macs cant get viruses easily. so you my friend, all the troll, asshole.
@freehugsboy Then your PC is shit then. For the same cost as a mac, you can get double the processing power in a windows PC. Like, you are basicly saying a 50 horsepower Lada is faster than a 1000 horsepower Bugatti Veyron. Retardo.
@iqtuz Maybe, but on the other hand side Mac OS X does not need all of that horse power that Windows need. Therefore Macs doesn't need extreme specs. Trust me, I have a PC and a mac with the same specs, so I know what I'm talking about.
@kilkun I don't need an overly frilly desktop. I'll upgrade the Asus as I see fit to. For now, the specs are good enough for what I will use it for, which will be playing WoW and Portal 2. So feck off.
@TheBlackParade1293 I'll admit I was eyeing up a mac for audio production but the cost compared to a custom audio i7 Laptop with much higher spec was a few hundred quid. The Alienwares are a bit more expensive as well, you basically pay a few hundred more than a solid specialist machine for some pretty lights. But hey, they are quite pretty lights, I'll give you that. And it will absolutely trounce a macbook pro.
@sonicwingnut You're paying for far more than pretty lights. The most bassic, cheapist Alienware laptop can handle the highest quality graphics of any video game, cryatal clear HD 3D monitor on my m17x. the Core i7 Processor. Fantastic laptop. I've found it almost impossible to crash the computer. I'll run FRAPS, Minecraft, Skype, and Steam chat all at the same time, no lag.
@TheBlackParade1293 Actually yeah comparing the 17" version of my Scan 3XS laptop with your alienware (exactly same spec as my 15" but with a bigger screen) it's almost exactly the same spec and is only about £25 cheaper, so I suppose that covers the lights lol. I'm still waiting for mine to be delivered, glad that spec can beast Skyrim though, figured it would haha.
@TheBlackParade1293 That's handy like, although I'm glad I got skyrim on PC, once you add all the performance and texture mods etc it looks amazing. Shame it's not coming out on mac lol - unless you install windows, in which case you're just running windows on a really, really overpriced laptop haha.
@VoiD1x I have a Mac and a pc, dumbass you never owned a Mac before, I love pc better though. Trust me, I grew up with macs... I know what I'm sulking
@doid1337 macs arent for processing data you nimwit. there for hipsters pragging rights. you can customize your pc to be 5x as powerful as any mac on the market.
@abspartanlaser Yes PCs get viruses if you're careless, but now Macs do as well and the anti-virus available for them isn't really any better. If you're not using anti-virus there's a high chance you will get one if you're not careful.
Macs have games, I hope you guys realize that, and they're damn good, they have Call of Duty on the app store too, and it runs a lot better on a mac than a PC
@eateroftheflame I don't know what useless excuse for a brain you have. My PC is actually a pretty good one, above average and I paid good money for it. I load up Team Fortress 2, la de da, boom done on Mac, and on my PC it MIGHT load or my system could lock and then eventually let me through. On Windows it's simple: Ease of editing = Ease of Crashing
@DaRysta I just went into my core files for Homefront a week ago and changed the values of a whole section of code to get it to run faster. I really don't think I'm ill-informed.
@DaRysta Because I'm one of the few people who actually like it. I don't understand what everyone was so pissy about, the campaign was ok but the multiplayer I loved.
@MrJoel397 Well I haven't played TF2 in about a year so I can't comment on that but I haven't had a problem like that since Windows 2000 and like I said before my PC runs them perfectly well.
@LukiXS2 No? You can't play all the games you want, try playing Metro 2033 or Crysis 1 on your mac...the only way you could is if you bought a £10000 mac pro with the same parts as a £1500 PC!
@Tvanom yes, because that is the ONLY reason you would buy a mac, JUST to run windows on it. I bought a mac because I wanted a mac, i have windows installed via bootcamp for the occasional thing that isnt on mac (games mostly).
@Poopdeckswabber You mean certain selected game that were toned down for a shit rig of a system.
I can GUARANTEE YOU, THAT YOU WILL NOT FIND A MAC UNDER 2k THAT WILL RUN CRYSIS 1, ( yes i said 1) AT ultra high 1080 P with Mods. FYI, Crysis 1 was made in 2007.
@7neoxis1337 My comment was a statement not an invitation to an argument, blockhead. I don't give a fuck about Crysis that game is terrible. Now go cry, I own a Mac and a PC to balance shit out you got that? Better to have both than just one.
And yeah, I have a better gaming pc than you do. Probably got it for a better value than you got yours for.
2.8 ghz processor, 1.5 gb NVIDIA g-card, 8 gigs RAM, all in a laptop for under 1k....
@7neoxis1337 Good for you. Then again it's a tower, whereas mine is compact and I can carry it wherever I want? They won't be making games that strain your system for a while. In a sense, your computer can probably handle anything as of now.
@TheFlyingElephanter I don't need graphics, man. I just need the playability. Also, I can't see much difference with the low and ultra settings anyways... Like... not much at all. Maybe some smoother shadows but that's it.
And the money isn't a problem to me. That point isn't valid for me.
Skyrim, Crysis 2, Minecraft, Oblivion, Starcraft II, Portal, Portal 2, TF2, and many, many more installed on my Mac NATIVELY on Mac OS X Lion. Argument debunked.
@Ominorvas Haven't tried running the graphics settings that low - and I won't try. I think I'm too used to native resolution on highest/medium settings with AA on.
@Ominorvas I play Skyrim about medium settings, 1480x940 with 30fps (which is okay for me, as like for console players too). I play Crysis 2 with medium-high-ish settings with nice framerate. Battlefield 3, medium settings, 40-50fps.
Freaking research before saying anything.
Oh and yeah. The reason why mac doesn't seem to be for gaming is because the operating system sucks for it. That's why Bootcamping is invented.
@DIBandage I have a £340 PC. Runs skyrim on high settings at 1920x1080 with 70-80 FPS constant. The reason why mac isn't for gaming isn't the operating system, it's because of the sub-standard hardware.
@Ominorvas ...which is usually meant for casual use, or just "office-productivity" or however I could say it. Macs are not meant to be for the power users and gamers, and we can see that from the operating system itself: It clearly supports the usage for the good, swift working purpose and casual need, as you can feel it when you try it.
Macs are also getting better hardware all the time. AMD 6750m 1GB on a macbook? Sounds quite nice to me. Supports the graphical workers, and a little gaming too
@eventfularse That IS pretty good graphics card for a laptop. And I'm not heading for the maximum graphics experiences since I'm not a hardcore gamer, nor a power user or something. If there's a good resolution and a sweet framerate, that's completely enough for me as I'm not a gamer or anything. I'm a musician, dude.
@DIBandage A 6750 is low end. "Pretty good" for a laptop to game on is on par with a 6790/6850. They should at least implement some kind of graphics processing unit that could make the cost of one, for me, slightly justifiable.
Yeah sure, since you're not a 'heavy' gamer, and spend little time playing games then fine; not much is needed in the graphics department at all.
@Ominorvas Battlefield runs smoothly on medium settings <- It doesn't have any problems at any game actually, as what I've experienced around different games.
@TheFlyingElephanter But the great thing is I can game, then edit with FCP X, work on a Logic Pro project, and then create video animations with Motion all on an OS with very little viruses such as Conficker.
The aluminum unibody and backlit keyboard are really nice as well.
cool you can game on the worst pc ever and viruses are easily avoided pay 40 bucks for norton or now im ordering my new dell and i get 15 months of premium mc affee so 40 dollars over spending 2000 dollars more ill take the 40 bucks a year
@TheFlyingElephanter Then you have virus scans going on everyday slowing up your system. You get what you pay for - PC's are for white trash. (I know this from experience.)
This is misleading. Mac has hundreds of games, and if there is a game on PC you want to play that isn't on Mac you can just install Windows using Bootcamp.
Um so while the PC nerd is wasting his life playing computer games, the mac is being productive and creative with photoshop and doing something with it's life.
@ttabbachino yes, but all PC users seem to care about is gaming, and not productivity and creativity. At least mac is USING photoshop. Besides, anyone who is serious about digital editing won't use photoshop on a PC, it's not as intuitive. It's a toy.
@AdrianEaston You seem like you lack the ability to stay on topic. The video is titled " Mac vs. PC Gaming", telling you that it's about Mac gaming vs. PC Gaming. Saying that the Mac is better because it has photoshop installed on it by default is like saying that a pencil that comes with an eraser is better than a pencil that you have to put the eraser on. And are you saying that the PC can't be productive? I'll guarantee you that the PC can be just a productive as the Mac.
heheheh this is a joke right? you are actually trying to compare this. you gotta be 100% of a stupid dipshit if u think comparing mac vs pc GAMING is even worth a try.
@wiih8ps3 It means running the game at the maximum possible resolution and graphics settings, so in my case, 1920x1200 resolution which is the native resolution of my display, and everything else on high or very high depending on if it is allowed by the game to be very high. Some options only go up to high.
It annoys me how much you guys fight!! I have both Mac and PC products and for things like music editing, video editing and etc. you want a Mac. For gaming and general internet and computer things you want a PC!!!!!!! So get over it you guys!! Xbox and ps3 are both good, PC and Mac are both good, and Coke and Pepsi are both good so shut the fuck up and stop trying so hard to be right about something people will NEVER agree on
pigboy360 2 days ago
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the thing you console gamers have to understand is that when every new gen console is released it is only neck and neck with PC for 3 to 6 months. See, the PC market world gets new hardware every 3 to 6 months, CPU's, ram, mobos, video cards, entire platforms and chipsets. so 3 to 6 months after your console gets release you are immediately outdated for the next 15 to 20 years or god only knows when new consoles get released. educate your selfs and don't be afraid of technology.
101DIGITAL010 4 days ago
PC is better for Gaming - HANDS DOWN - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS!
JLXZ83 4 days ago
I play skyrim on my Mac.. it runs fine at highest graphic settings.
insecur 5 days ago
@insecur Bravo. I play the same game on my PS3 and it runs wonderful. PC gaming was good before ps3 and xbox 360 arrived but now it sucks cause the same games costs more on PC than the consoles plus compatibility issues. PC gaming has lost it's touch RIP to pc gaming
Hardcoregamer1983 4 days ago
@Hardcoregamer1983 rofl at yout nick and ignorance. Enjoy console games, that are made on PC!
Kserijaro 3 days ago
@Kserijaro You fool console games are not made on PC they are programmed on PC.
Hardcoregamer1983 3 days ago
well i have 3 macs and an apple cinema display where i play forza 4 with my xbox! never tell me u can't play games with a mac !
damaxae93 5 days ago
@damaxae93 The Apple cinema display is not a MAC, it's a projector.
SharpFPShooter 5 days ago
@SharpFPShooter i know that of course was just supposed to be a joke ;)
damaxae93 5 days ago
@damaxae93 Oh who plays games with a mac? Oh why pay 2500 dollars for a mac to play a game? buy a ps3 for 250 dollars and you get blu ray and 3d blu ray and the list goes on. Yes I do have apple yesterday I went shopping and I bought 4 apples. I ate one today and it tasted great. By the way I hate both Microsoft and Apple company their product both suck.
Hardcoregamer1983 4 days ago
Macs have gaming?
SergeantFawful 1 week ago 17
@SergeantFawful nope... chuck testa
Nr2reaper 2 days ago
@SergeantFawful games like chess
superbob3331 1 hour ago
Oh, no, my life won't be complete until I have a computer that can play games, 'till then, I will just be a piece of crap that uses his computer for productive things, and being creative - the LEAST important occupation/human instinct of them all...
aussienerds 1 week ago
i'm using a mac. why? mac os x has just so much better using experience than windows and i don't have to pay for anything else than the internet and electricity. everything that i need came with the mac already without anything useless trial-crap. but it's missing one element: games. and that's why i have something called bootcamp. now my mac has everything that i need from a computer. anything to complain about, bitches? : )
potatojuice321 1 week ago
@potatojuice321 cool story bro.
ChaloLaMarmota 1 week ago
@potatojuice321 overpriced. nuff said. you can pay and put extra parts and upgrade your pc. good luck doing it with a mac,
VoiD1x 1 week ago
@VoiD1x if you're not too poor, well, the money isn't the problem, nuff said
potatojuice321 1 week ago
@potatojuice321 Macs are over $1000 more than its PC equivalent, not to mention you have to pay for windows to play your games. With over $1000, PCs can get everything they "need" and still have enough money to upgrade to a shiny new Radeon HD 6850 and an intel i7.
anotherturkey 1 week ago
@anotherturkey wow, $1000? luckily here in Finland they're not so overpriced! if you complain about some product's price, then you're too poor to buy it. i guess macs are rich peoples' thing then...
potatojuice321 1 week ago
@potatojuice321 You're spending over twice the amount of money you actually need to spend for a PC with the exact same specs. It's not a rich people's thing. Everyone and their mothers uses them in my school and frankly, all I've seen them do with their macs is play music, watch videos and surf the internet. My neighbor uses a MBP. I don't know how much it actually cost but the base price: $1799. It performs even worse than my $600 laptop.
anotherturkey 1 week ago
@anotherturkey If you wanted to run Mac OS X on your windows computer, you would have to pay for that operating system, also, Mac OS X is only $50 for the full version (the only version(smart)), AND you would have the burden of having to be careful not to get caught with an illegal piece of software on your computer. However I would like to mention that I do still like Windows, I just prefer Mac.
aussienerds 1 week ago
@aussienerds Fair point, but there isn't that much of a reason for PC users to use a Mac aside from developing iOS apps, but windows already has their own way of doing that for an even lower price.
anotherturkey 1 week ago
@anotherturkey I understand the redundancy that some Windows users may see in having Mac OS X installed on their computer. However, take a good example to support my case - My best friend hates Mac. But he likes to make movies with me, movies with reasonably advanced editing and effects, he despises the thought of using Sony Vegas Pro on his computer, he comes to my place just to use my Mac for Final Cut Pro X and Motion 5. He also wishes he could have Pixelmator, an excellent PS competitor.
aussienerds 1 week ago
@aussienerds So, my point is, he would VERY strongly benefit from having Mac OS X installed on his Windows based desktop computer. He wants to be a graphic designer, all of the software that he needs is better and/or available on Mac.
aussienerds 1 week ago
@aussienerds Fair point. That makes mac a good candidate for someone who dedicates time to movie making/graphic designing. But I must point out that your friend's preferences aren't representative of all PC users, many of whom love using Sony Vegas. I am not experienced with graphic designing myself, but I'm pretty sure that PCs have the potential to be equally capable in this field with the right software and equal hardware specs.
anotherturkey 1 week ago
@anotherturkey Indeed the software for Windows is very capable, however, Macs are the ideal choice, Professionals use them for most media productions. And Mac has more cheap software that performs very well. So Mac is not just useful to professionals, but to aspiring designers too. I realise that not everyone wants to be a graphic designer or a movie editor. I just don't want us to start assuming that everyone that uses a computer just wants to game on it, because that's usually the argument.
aussienerds 1 week ago
@potatojuice321 So you spend more money on less powerful device in which you're force to use other softwares to run games on it, because OS is that shitty? You're happy about it? Mac vs PC commercials convinced you? You was often experiencing troubles with PC? How could you?
To be honnest, this is not my or anyones problem except you do you have mac or not. No one even cares, but it just bad people are fooled macs are better than PC. In most cases they are way much worse.
DarkPatro56 1 week ago
@DarkPatro56 money isn't the question in here you fucking dumbass... if you complain about something you can't afford, then you're just poor and jealous. money isn't a problem for me. macs are ALOT better in my opinion, but the only thing that they miss is the games "because the OS is that shitty?" it's the game companies' fault if they don't do their games for mac. i'm very happy to own a mac, but the windows 7 in it is very shitty. it's the only problem you know
potatojuice321 1 week ago
@potatojuice321 Lol. You just didn't know you could afford something better for that prize, but limited os, underpowered and overprized with slick case with aplle logo machine was better choice for ya. You love them because windows was too complicated for ya? Vista was crap btw. You love them, but you don't really know why. Isn't it true? Buying for trends is the worst thing. What other reason you had to buy device like this? Seriously. Hard to belive what's the reason. Ads?
DarkPatro56 1 week ago
@potatojuice321
I still don't get this "useless trial crap" stuff. On big box companies,you just delete it. If you build your own machine, you have none. Yes, you can use Bootcamp,which defeats the purpose of buying a Mac in the first place. Now, for all the money you've paid, you can experience gaming at 1/3 the level it was meant to be played at, thanks to Apple's insistence on using low-grade mobile video cards on their systems. That's a LOT of money to fork out for that.
MaestroDraven 1 week ago
@MaestroDraven say whatever you want to. and do you know why? bcs i don't really give a shit. low-grade video cards? well, those can be upgraded! my mac has everything i need, so you don't have to complain about how bad my desicion was for buying a mac. you hate macs, i'm fine with that. please post another comment, this is fun.
potatojuice321 1 week ago
@potatojuice321
It's not meant to be an insult. Just understand that Apple has already price-gouged for vastly inferior hardware, forcing you to break out your wallet to "upgrade" as you say. They do this with RAM (Hynix, no less) and hard drives. It may have everything you need, but you just paid a ridiculous amount of money for it.
MaestroDraven 1 week ago
437 people have a mac.
maxoomen 1 week ago 16
@maxoomen if I've replied to this comment once I've replied 2 it 1000000x i have a mac and i found this funny (its funny cause its true)
edchicken02 2 days ago
mac sucks it big time, u know that the mac is actually turning into a pc with software that is for the pc is now being installed on the mac so in fact the mac is turning into a pc
skunko144 1 week ago
Everyone tells me that there is a pc equivalent of a mac at a lesser price.. Does that include quality too, or just value? I kinda just want quality right now.
Kingddd333 1 week ago
Actually you can play any game you want on the Mac. It's called bootcamp. Sure you'll be paying extra money, but you'll get the best of PC and Mac. Why does everyone ignore this?
cod007skilldfan 1 week ago
@cod007skilldfan Except it sucks.
zAnnekz 1 week ago
@zAnnekz You must be one of those ignorant dumbasses that have no sense and try to troll others without knowing how stupid they are making themselves look. I just said that a Mac could be just like a PC, so you can do anything that a PC can do but thanks to clever programming viruses that will only work for PC (99% of viruses are for PC) aren't going to affect you in any way on Mac. And firewalls can't protect everything.
cod007skilldfan 1 week ago
true story
MrHalo3Fan10 1 week ago
It's funny because macs are more than able to run games now.
... agreed they tend cost a little more but you are paying for the logo and the operating system. People never seem to complain about buying branded clothes. Can't afford one? Quit whining and buy a PC.
Rufucoll 2 weeks ago
@Rufucoll Yeah now macs can play plants vs Zombies like totally man! I love buying hardware that is 700 dollars more than the competition but with half the hardware and with a shitty OS
Rock on!
Fixableguy 2 weeks ago
@Fixableguy I've got a mac mini I bought for under £500 and it's more than capable of playing Crysis 2. And the OS is more of a matter of opinion but for me, it's a shit load nicer to use than windows.
Rufucoll 2 weeks ago
@Rufucoll Link the mac mini
Windows 7 IS the superior OS because it has great multimonitor support, thousands of exclusive programs, file tree makes sense, thousands of configurable options, games (mac has like 5 games), and if I were here listing everything I would run out of space
Fixableguy 2 weeks ago
@Rufucoll haha what a joke, AMD Radeon HD 6630M? with less that 512mbs vram could it even run minesweeper?
Fixableguy 2 weeks ago
@Fixableguy
1. I have no need for more than two monitors and I've never had an issue when I've run two on my mac.
2. I'm sure you prefer windows although I've used both extensively and I'm going to carry on saying I prefer OS X because it works perfectly for me with everything I want to do.
3. I have bootcamp so I also have Windows 7 for when I do have the desire to run things that haven't been made for mac eg games. So to be honest I can run anything on my computer.
4. That GPU may surprise you
Rufucoll 2 weeks ago
@Rufucoll I dont need any "Boot camp" to also run another OS, I can easly buy OS X but I dont because everything it does can be done on windows. The GPU can barely play crysis 2 with a meer 15fps on lowest settings and low res. Thats not playable by any standard
Fixableguy 2 weeks ago
@Fixableguy it depends which mac you have...
TasteForDisaster 1 week ago
@TasteForDisaster but any Mac has an equal Pc thar costs 500 less
Fixableguy 1 week ago
@Rufucoll They can run games, they just don't have many games available on it. On Steam there are 200 - 300 Mac games, and 2,000 - 3,000 PC games.
zAnnekz 1 week ago
@zAnnekz True but then you just switch over when you want to play games to windows. As much as I dislike windows, I am more than happy to use it for 15 seconds to open up a game.
Rufucoll 1 week ago
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stephmc111 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy obviously doesn't know what he's talking ab out
drawesome555 2 weeks ago
Computers are meant for productivity. Not games.
freehugsboy 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy So why are the PC the machine that runs the games at the best quality and framerate?
iqtuz 2 weeks ago
@iqtuz computers arent meant for games. and macs have a higher framerate
freehugsboy 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy Now I know you are trolling, nice one. Macs are expensive peace of crap. Like, a 2k dollar MAC has the same hardware as a 500 dollar windows/linux PC.
iqtuz 2 weeks ago
@iqtuz no, im not trolling. i have a pc computer, and its a piece of shit. all of my friends have macs, and they arent expensive. my pc is 6 times slower than a mac, and macs cant get viruses easily. so you my friend, all the troll, asshole.
freehugsboy 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy Then your PC is shit then. For the same cost as a mac, you can get double the processing power in a windows PC. Like, you are basicly saying a 50 horsepower Lada is faster than a 1000 horsepower Bugatti Veyron. Retardo.
iqtuz 2 weeks ago
@iqtuz Maybe, but on the other hand side Mac OS X does not need all of that horse power that Windows need. Therefore Macs doesn't need extreme specs. Trust me, I have a PC and a mac with the same specs, so I know what I'm talking about.
BioOrganism2033 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy Do you have a mac? If so tell me the specs and how much it cost and il compare it with my computer.
Wesker2425 2 weeks ago
@Wesker2425 do you suck bugurk, if so tell me what you charge and i will compare the prices with the local hookers
stephmc111 2 weeks ago
@stephmc111 What is "bugurk" and from your comment i can tell that you know PC is better.
Wesker2425 2 weeks ago
@Wesker2425 i actually never owned a mac before, couldnt say which is better, wait i have an ipod, but it works with my pc,
stephmc111 2 weeks ago
@Wesker2425 I have a PC, it's 1,500 dollars, and it's a piece of shit.
freehugsboy 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy then you are a retard. 800 dollars is enough to max out battlefield 3.
ChaloLaMarmota 2 weeks ago
@ChaloLaMarmota Battlefield 3 is too mainstream.
freehugsboy 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy but it has the best graphics in video games, which means that an 800 dollar rig should run literally anything.
ChaloLaMarmota 2 weeks ago
@freehugsboy I find that hard to believe, i have a £400 PC and it can play every game on the max settings. Tell me your system specs.
Wesker2425 2 weeks ago
that why i got a pc i can play 100% of the games on the market whit no crach or updates
hDCOREGAmer 2 weeks ago
I think Steam will save the macs (steamplay) because in alot of games (not all) you can play with a mac
gultask 2 weeks ago
poor mac
banTonyIV 2 weeks ago
Pahaha, Macs suck, that's why I bought An Alienware :p
TheBlackParade1293 2 weeks ago
@TheBlackParade1293 I'm getting an Asus Essentio desktop on my birthday. AMD Athlon II X2 processor and ATI Radeon HD 3000 graphics card.
GamerzHideaway 2 weeks ago
@GamerzHideaway You don't know what power is, do you?
kilkun 2 weeks ago
@kilkun I don't need an overly frilly desktop. I'll upgrade the Asus as I see fit to. For now, the specs are good enough for what I will use it for, which will be playing WoW and Portal 2. So feck off.
GamerzHideaway 2 weeks ago
@TheBlackParade1293 I'll admit I was eyeing up a mac for audio production but the cost compared to a custom audio i7 Laptop with much higher spec was a few hundred quid. The Alienwares are a bit more expensive as well, you basically pay a few hundred more than a solid specialist machine for some pretty lights. But hey, they are quite pretty lights, I'll give you that. And it will absolutely trounce a macbook pro.
sonicwingnut 2 weeks ago
@sonicwingnut You're paying for far more than pretty lights. The most bassic, cheapist Alienware laptop can handle the highest quality graphics of any video game, cryatal clear HD 3D monitor on my m17x. the Core i7 Processor. Fantastic laptop. I've found it almost impossible to crash the computer. I'll run FRAPS, Minecraft, Skype, and Steam chat all at the same time, no lag.
TheBlackParade1293 2 weeks ago
@TheBlackParade1293 Actually yeah comparing the 17" version of my Scan 3XS laptop with your alienware (exactly same spec as my 15" but with a bigger screen) it's almost exactly the same spec and is only about £25 cheaper, so I suppose that covers the lights lol. I'm still waiting for mine to be delivered, glad that spec can beast Skyrim though, figured it would haha.
sonicwingnut 2 weeks ago
@sonicwingnut Skyrim is Beast. :p I have it for xbox, but I use my Alienware for the monitor using the HDMI input :p
TheBlackParade1293 2 weeks ago
@TheBlackParade1293 That's handy like, although I'm glad I got skyrim on PC, once you add all the performance and texture mods etc it looks amazing. Shame it's not coming out on mac lol - unless you install windows, in which case you're just running windows on a really, really overpriced laptop haha.
sonicwingnut 1 week ago
@VoiD1x I have a Mac and a pc, dumbass you never owned a Mac before, I love pc better though. Trust me, I grew up with macs... I know what I'm sulking
doid1337 2 weeks ago
Mac: processing data PC: gaming
doid1337 3 weeks ago
@doid1337 Not for value. It's like 2x more expensive.
BBQPeanut 3 weeks ago
@doid1337 macs arent for processing data you nimwit. there for hipsters pragging rights. you can customize your pc to be 5x as powerful as any mac on the market.
VoiD1x 2 weeks ago
@eateroftheflame, Well a computer isn't only defined by the amount of games it has.
It counts, but not as much as having so many viruses like a PC has and unreliable anti-virus.
abspartanlaser 3 weeks ago
@abspartanlaser Yes PCs get viruses if you're careless, but now Macs do as well and the anti-virus available for them isn't really any better. If you're not using anti-virus there's a high chance you will get one if you're not careful.
eateroftheflame 3 weeks ago
@abspartanlaser If you use a proper AV, then a PC has a lower chance of getting a virus than a Mac.
And the ones for Macs are a lot more dangerous. Plus, they pay their customer support to pretend that they don't exist.
DaRysta 3 weeks ago
f u
DeciyDoos 3 weeks ago
Macs have games, I hope you guys realize that, and they're damn good, they have Call of Duty on the app store too, and it runs a lot better on a mac than a PC
abspartanlaser 3 weeks ago
@abspartanlaser sure it does what setting and how much fps?
Ctreed1996 3 weeks ago
@abspartanlaser Yes they have games but there aren't enough, on Steam there are only 204 Mac games compared with over 1400 for PC.
eateroftheflame 3 weeks ago
@eateroftheflame And the PC ones run slower than my grandma. She's dead.
MrJoel397 3 weeks ago
@MrJoel397 I don't know what useless excuse for a PC you're thinking of but mine is perfectly capable of outperforming a console or Mac
eateroftheflame 3 weeks ago
@eateroftheflame I don't know what useless excuse for a brain you have. My PC is actually a pretty good one, above average and I paid good money for it. I load up Team Fortress 2, la de da, boom done on Mac, and on my PC it MIGHT load or my system could lock and then eventually let me through. On Windows it's simple: Ease of editing = Ease of Crashing
MrJoel397 3 weeks ago
@MrJoel397 That's your fault.
Just because you have no idea what you're doing with your PC, doesn't mean that everyone else is in the same boat.
DaRysta 3 weeks ago
@DaRysta I just went into my core files for Homefront a week ago and changed the values of a whole section of code to get it to run faster. I really don't think I'm ill-informed.
Oh by the way, Trollface.png
MrJoel397 3 weeks ago
@MrJoel397 Oh god, Homefront.
That game is dreadful, why even bother making it run faster?
DaRysta 3 weeks ago
@DaRysta Because I'm one of the few people who actually like it. I don't understand what everyone was so pissy about, the campaign was ok but the multiplayer I loved.
MrJoel397 3 weeks ago
@MrJoel397 Well I haven't played TF2 in about a year so I can't comment on that but I haven't had a problem like that since Windows 2000 and like I said before my PC runs them perfectly well.
eateroftheflame 3 weeks ago
@MrJoel397 Well it takes 10 min to even start up my mac( it can't even run cs 1.6 lolz) and my PC beats it.
Fille3133 3 weeks ago
people live in the past ..
Steam is aviable on macs, and since a few years publishers start do bring all the games out for macs too.
And for the rest...bootcamp...windows...play all the games you want.
But, i just need minecraft..runs on mac too^^
LukiXS2 3 weeks ago
@LukiXS2 No? You can't play all the games you want, try playing Metro 2033 or Crysis 1 on your mac...the only way you could is if you bought a £10000 mac pro with the same parts as a £1500 PC!
xCraigMassiex 3 weeks ago
@xCraigMassiex
for sure you can ;)
/watch?v=E2JqbQi-dRk
13' macbook (around 1100 $)
playing even crysis 2
look at the actual hardware of macbooks. It isnt even that bad. Times have changed...
LukiXS2 3 weeks ago
@LukiXS2 Playing Crysis 2 at low settings? My shitty 4 year old laptop I got for £350 can do that :L
xCraigMassiex 3 weeks ago
@xCraigMassiex
who said low settings? Full settings!
why only crysis?
Nearly every actual game can be played on a Mac.
btw. who cars about gaming on a laptop ?!
Gaming is for PC's Xbox and PS3.
LukiXS2 3 weeks ago
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insecur 3 weeks ago
-run windows on bootcamp
-play any pc game on a mac
-people still making this stupid point still think they are right
andj2009 3 weeks ago
@andj2009 but why would you buy a mac to run windows on it?
Tvanom 3 weeks ago
@Tvanom yes, because that is the ONLY reason you would buy a mac, JUST to run windows on it. I bought a mac because I wanted a mac, i have windows installed via bootcamp for the occasional thing that isnt on mac (games mostly).
andj2009 3 weeks ago
the funny thing is that mac CAN play games.
CRYOmine 3 weeks ago
@CRYOmine The funnier thing is you didn't see when this was uploaded
pnoidd 3 weeks ago
@pnoidd the EVEN funnier thing, is that it still could play games.
CRYOmine 3 weeks ago
@CRYOmine Like?
pnoidd 3 weeks ago
@pnoidd dungeon keeper, doom, etc.
CRYOmine 3 weeks ago
I find it funny how I have a laptop that looks just like the one he's playing on right here in my room.
KhanRec0rdz 4 weeks ago
Mac gamers go use Steam fucking dammit it has loads of good games for mac -___-
Poopdeckswabber 4 weeks ago
@Poopdeckswabber You mean certain selected game that were toned down for a shit rig of a system.
I can GUARANTEE YOU, THAT YOU WILL NOT FIND A MAC UNDER 2k THAT WILL RUN CRYSIS 1, ( yes i said 1) AT ultra high 1080 P with Mods. FYI, Crysis 1 was made in 2007.
7neoxis1337 4 weeks ago
@7neoxis1337 My comment was a statement not an invitation to an argument, blockhead. I don't give a fuck about Crysis that game is terrible. Now go cry, I own a Mac and a PC to balance shit out you got that? Better to have both than just one.
And yeah, I have a better gaming pc than you do. Probably got it for a better value than you got yours for.
2.8 ghz processor, 1.5 gb NVIDIA g-card, 8 gigs RAM, all in a laptop for under 1k....
Jelly?
Poopdeckswabber 4 weeks ago
@Poopdeckswabber u call that a gaming laptop? k. I custom built my Gaming PC tower like the other 80% of proper gamers do.
3.4GHZ stock, 2GB ATI 6970 ,16GB ram should last me until another game more herp than BF3 comes out. THen i'll upgrade
7neoxis1337 3 weeks ago
@7neoxis1337 Good for you. Then again it's a tower, whereas mine is compact and I can carry it wherever I want? They won't be making games that strain your system for a while. In a sense, your computer can probably handle anything as of now.
Poopdeckswabber 3 weeks ago
@Poopdeckswabber Oh and mate, i never said Crysis 1 was a good game, It was just one of the most graphical game of all times.
7neoxis1337 3 weeks ago
Ya PC is osum.
frooo1234567890 4 weeks ago
mac has nogaems
RandomRobot1 1 month ago
just get a xbox or playstation.....
QBrilliant 1 month ago
@QBrilliant Yes and spend alot of money with games, with their poor graphics.
Jhonatan5 1 month ago
@QBrilliant Not everyone wants to buy an out of date system with fewer games and poor online gaming.
eateroftheflame 1 month ago
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DIBandage 1 month ago
@DIBandage
have fun ill play battlefield 3 on ultra with a dell pc thats 1000 dollars cheaper
TheFlyingElephanter 1 month ago
@TheFlyingElephanter I don't need graphics, man. I just need the playability. Also, I can't see much difference with the low and ultra settings anyways... Like... not much at all. Maybe some smoother shadows but that's it.
And the money isn't a problem to me. That point isn't valid for me.
DIBandage 1 month ago
Skyrim, Crysis 2, Minecraft, Oblivion, Starcraft II, Portal, Portal 2, TF2, and many, many more installed on my Mac NATIVELY on Mac OS X Lion. Argument debunked.
552Industries 1 month ago
@552Industries Shame that you can't play it at anything more than 800x600 on min detail without AF/AA isn't it? :(.
Ominorvas 1 month ago
@Ominorvas Haven't tried running the graphics settings that low - and I won't try. I think I'm too used to native resolution on highest/medium settings with AA on.
552Industries 1 month ago
@Ominorvas I play Skyrim about medium settings, 1480x940 with 30fps (which is okay for me, as like for console players too). I play Crysis 2 with medium-high-ish settings with nice framerate. Battlefield 3, medium settings, 40-50fps.
Freaking research before saying anything.
Oh and yeah. The reason why mac doesn't seem to be for gaming is because the operating system sucks for it. That's why Bootcamping is invented.
DIBandage 1 month ago
@DIBandage I have a £340 PC. Runs skyrim on high settings at 1920x1080 with 70-80 FPS constant. The reason why mac isn't for gaming isn't the operating system, it's because of the sub-standard hardware.
Ominorvas 1 month ago
@Ominorvas ...which is usually meant for casual use, or just "office-productivity" or however I could say it. Macs are not meant to be for the power users and gamers, and we can see that from the operating system itself: It clearly supports the usage for the good, swift working purpose and casual need, as you can feel it when you try it.
Macs are also getting better hardware all the time. AMD 6750m 1GB on a macbook? Sounds quite nice to me. Supports the graphical workers, and a little gaming too
DIBandage 1 month ago
@DIBandage 6750m? Good luck at playing the latest games at medium then. You might get away with Doom, or Minecraft though.
eventfularse 1 month ago
@eventfularse That IS pretty good graphics card for a laptop. And I'm not heading for the maximum graphics experiences since I'm not a hardcore gamer, nor a power user or something. If there's a good resolution and a sweet framerate, that's completely enough for me as I'm not a gamer or anything. I'm a musician, dude.
DIBandage 1 month ago
@DIBandage A 6750 is low end. "Pretty good" for a laptop to game on is on par with a 6790/6850. They should at least implement some kind of graphics processing unit that could make the cost of one, for me, slightly justifiable.
Yeah sure, since you're not a 'heavy' gamer, and spend little time playing games then fine; not much is needed in the graphics department at all.
eventfularse 1 month ago
@DIBandage 6750... It's not a great card. Then it's the mobile version? Oh boy.
It'd have trouble running anything these days :/.
Ominorvas 1 month ago
@Ominorvas Battlefield runs smoothly on medium settings <- It doesn't have any problems at any game actually, as what I've experienced around different games.
DIBandage 1 month ago
@552Industries
doesnt matter if you can play those games you can buy a nice pc and run games on better rez`s and bay 500-750 less for the pc
TheFlyingElephanter 1 month ago
@TheFlyingElephanter But the great thing is I can game, then edit with FCP X, work on a Logic Pro project, and then create video animations with Motion all on an OS with very little viruses such as Conficker.
The aluminum unibody and backlit keyboard are really nice as well.
552Industries 1 month ago
@552Industries
cool you can game on the worst pc ever and viruses are easily avoided pay 40 bucks for norton or now im ordering my new dell and i get 15 months of premium mc affee so 40 dollars over spending 2000 dollars more ill take the 40 bucks a year
TheFlyingElephanter 1 month ago
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@TheFlyingElephanter Then you have virus scans going on everyday slowing up your system. You get what you pay for - PC's are for white trash. (I know this from experience.)
552Industries 1 month ago
check out my mac vs pc, i have a similar video about macs not being able to play games ! :D
Tvanom 1 month ago
photoshop isnt a game lol retard
jesuaflores 1 month ago
This is misleading. Mac has hundreds of games, and if there is a game on PC you want to play that isn't on Mac you can just install Windows using Bootcamp.
1993gandy 1 month ago
427 people are appletards.
PixelPunkRS 1 month ago
@TheFaker619 chill out troll its christmas eve
jesuaflores 1 month ago
@jesuaflores in what part did i even say anything to you?
TheFaker619 1 month ago
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jesuaflores 1 month ago
You guys are missing the point
mac games cost money
PC games dont
nikolaiprotovski 1 month ago
@nikolaiprotovski Screw money, torrent everything you get off the internet.
TeamLeftMatch 1 month ago
Games on Mac are like "Hey, now I can play all those really great games that you played about 5 years ago"
And to comment on your video description, Photoshop is better on PC according to some major image editing nerds I've spoken to...
MorkaGraven 1 month ago
Um so while the PC nerd is wasting his life playing computer games, the mac is being productive and creative with photoshop and doing something with it's life.
AdrianEaston 1 month ago
@AdrianEaston lmao pc has photoshop too you fucking mongoloid
ttabbachino 1 month ago
@ttabbachino yes, but all PC users seem to care about is gaming, and not productivity and creativity. At least mac is USING photoshop. Besides, anyone who is serious about digital editing won't use photoshop on a PC, it's not as intuitive. It's a toy.
AdrianEaston 1 month ago
@AdrianEaston You seem like you lack the ability to stay on topic. The video is titled " Mac vs. PC Gaming", telling you that it's about Mac gaming vs. PC Gaming. Saying that the Mac is better because it has photoshop installed on it by default is like saying that a pencil that comes with an eraser is better than a pencil that you have to put the eraser on. And are you saying that the PC can't be productive? I'll guarantee you that the PC can be just a productive as the Mac.
olimar9 1 month ago
@AdrianEaston No. The Mac is missing on life with games.
leonardpcs08 1 month ago
@AdrianEaston this means:
Windows=Fun
Mac=Just for work...
TheFaker619 1 month ago
Holy shit, what the fuck is he playing.
His fingers were moving fast!!
ccaian1 1 month ago
@jesuaflores The motherboard is different, otherwise exact same hardware.
grande1899 1 month ago
@grande1899 lol u dont know what ur talking about
jesuaflores 1 month ago
heheheh this is a joke right? you are actually trying to compare this. you gotta be 100% of a stupid dipshit if u think comparing mac vs pc GAMING is even worth a try.
Moron.
qwert747 1 month ago
@qwert747 I can play games on my MacBook Pro at max res, making this comparison even more pointless and futile.
tlaroche38 1 month ago
@tlaroche38
You can tell you don't know what you're talking about, 'Max res' WTF does that even mean?
wiih8ps3 1 month ago
@wiih8ps3 It means running the game at the maximum possible resolution and graphics settings, so in my case, 1920x1200 resolution which is the native resolution of my display, and everything else on high or very high depending on if it is allowed by the game to be very high. Some options only go up to high.
tlaroche38 1 month ago
@wiih8ps3 your not very smart are you...
TheFaker619 1 month ago
@TheFaker619
And you are? It's YOU'RE, not your.
wiih8ps3 1 month ago
@wiih8ps3 you don't spell hate "h8" dumbass.
TheFaker619 1 month ago
@tlaroche38 yes. i am sure you can play miniclip at full res.
TheFaker619 1 month ago
@TheFaker619 Do you mean Team Fortress 2, Portal 2 and Crisis 2 all maxed out?
tlaroche38 1 month ago