no, because those are instructions from Scriptures. however, yes...what some have turned that into is ritual if they have gone above and beyond the simple washing described there.
the Scripture you quoted was all in English accept two words...Salat and Zakat
salat is just the Arabic word for prayer and zakat means charity.
if look at Yusif Ali's English translation it says prayer and charity not Salat and Zakat.
so Allah taught Abraham to observe prayer...but not the ritualistic prayer that Islam calls the salat. that is the traditions of their fathers, not a teaching of the Quran.
Do you know how to understand 4:101 about shortening the prayer? I just thought if we are shortening the parayer then it would mean that there should be more than one raka (unit). If its more than one then how to find out how many units exactly?
there are no units of prayer. that is Islamic tradition. what Allah is saying is that in times of distress we should still pray, but we may have to have brief prayers because of the situation. it is not the length of prayer that is important, rather the sincerity and regularity of contact with God.
where did you get the idea from this video, or any of my videos...that i don't believe in the Quran?
i believe in the Quran, what i don't believe in is the wayward sects of Islam...which don't even really follow the Quran, but rather the teachings of their fathers.
for explanation i invite you to watch Parts 5,46,50 and 113
.. you, however that fact if handled with respect, peace and patience between brother and sisters is a very healthy and virtuous instinct we should use as believes.
All praise belongs to the One, the Supreme, the Lord of all the worlds.
If you take in your knowledge from what is holy, God will show you His Way. Finding God alone is never a generic event, there are an infinite ways to God Alone. God Alone chooses whom He will guide or misguide, however the soul will get exactly what it deserves. Do not look for affirmation, have trust and confidence in God, that is the Best affirmation. What world we are given to experience is in direct relation to what our souls have yearned for.
But i think that rukuu and sajda and dua are the essence of Salat and by keeping this in mind we can pray 5 times a day in islamic manner facing kaaba. i don't think so there is any kind of harm doing that. You will only get blessings from Allah :)
"And do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, devoting themselves to Him alone. You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning. If you dismiss them, you will be a transgressor."
Sincerely seeking the truth. Have viewed many of your vids. I was born into a muslim family but over last 12 mnths waking up to the truth.
What is your view on the muslim congregational prayer & Friday prayers ? Also, seen vid on Kaaba but what is your view on the Haj where is this meant to occur. I can undertsand your point of idolatry esp of black stone as this is clear but where is the House that is meant to be circled & purified istated in Quran ?
the answer to your questions are either in the videos, or they will be answered in future videos by myself or others.
please understand many people write to me in both video comments and private messages. i cannot possibly answer everyone individually, or keep re-explaining things. also, i do not know the answer to every question and some will be able to explain better than i can...
...however, in general the style of praying done in Islam is not in the Quran, because it is not from God. so i do not involve myself with ritualistic prayers. i would love to go to the local mosque, but they are so far astray.
@WhereIsTruth Do you have any websites or any written sources for easier reference to understand better the way you understand the Quran?
I clearly rejected the hadith as because of this men written stories, Islam has mazhabs and different laws while what God says never meant to burden us except to guide us to the straight path, which I finally come to realize to rely solely on the Quran for the time being.
I never thought the traditional pattern of Islamic prayer was important. It's just a series of movements anyway. Your heart and soul is what counts. I've even been told that if I did 3 incorrect movements or gestures, my prayers will not be accepted...rofl. Then there's the hadith that says if a dog, ass or woman passes by you while your praying your prayer won't be accepted. This alone shows the corruption and evil in the hadith, yet people claiming to be "pious" uphold these piles of bullshit.
Don't forget as a Muslim you have to wash your hands to the elbows, feet up to the ankles and your face. God wants us purified and if no water is around you can use clean dirt/sand and if none is avail, God will understand.
for instance, Allah blessed Muhammad's people with the Quran. yet the Quran says that on the Day of Judgment the Messenger will say, "My people have abandoned this Quran".....they were certainly not thankful for what was given them. and even to this day they continue to cling to the fabricated teachings of their fathers.
Salam Alaikom, I belive Quran is the only source For Guidance (not hadith) & they attribute falsly to Prophet Muhammad, like stoning to death for adultery is not in Quran, & many more.
Allah says the Quran is fully detailed and complete.
Quran:[6:114] "Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book FULLY DETAILED?... You shall not harbor any doubt."
Quran: [6:115] "The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words..."
Why do you base your religious guidance on man-made history, when Allah says the Quran is fully detailed and complete?
first of all the verses you quote from are not talking about hadiths as Hadiths are SAYINGS and ACTIONS of the prophet not a book and have to be looked at in context of when they were said, secondly this also applies to the Quran as it was reaveled in the time of the prophet and he showed us how to follow it, eg salat because as the Quarn says follow Allah and the messenger of God who expressed the Quran in his life. Learn more history, also do you know how the Quran was compiled???
The Arabic Musyaf (Musyaf Osmaniah) did spell Hadith as HA,DAL,WAW,YA,SHIN. If Allah meant Hadith to be Words, or Songs He would have said so. Dont belittle his Cleverness.
Allah is strongly against HADITH, see the Arabic Text for 12:111, 31:6; 45:6.
You surely can believe what you want to believe, I am not your guardian.
Quran: [6:66] "Your people have rejected this, even though it is the truth. Say, "'I am not a guardian over you.'"
Wow..you guys have turned things upside down whereas all christians ph.D, Th.D could not do...
I am not interested in debate, just two questions to manicwild since you seem to know alot...
What do you think about syehk Al-Ghazali, Ibn Khatir etc who included hadith in their books were they wrong?
Prior to Hadith collections (+200 yrs yousay), Bukhari, Muslim those hadith collectors how they performed shalat,fasting etc like you or like regular muslim now?
The Compilers were interested in chain of transmission rather than content. The contents were not scrutinised, how it changed like the game "chinese whispers".
In these books a new religion was written that dominated over the Quran despite the claim for the opposite. In writing these books, the authors did not care if the hadith they are writing contradict the Quran or other Hadith or common sense. In reality they fulfilled the promise of God in Surah 6:112-113.
(1) Malik Ibn Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa"
(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths, in his famous "Musnad".He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is 94% lies and fabrications
(3) Bukhary collected about 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected .
(4)Moslem collected 300,000 hadiths and only accepted 4000 of them, and refused about 296,000 . that is almost 99% of these collected hadiths .
a study of the arabic word "solat" will tell you what it really means. If God deems it important that you pray 5 times a day and how the hadith taught you to do, He would surely include them in the Quran, because He says the Quran is fully detailed and complete (Quran 6:114, 41:3 etc). Yet, He only included how to clean yourself before prayer (Quran 5:6) and gave numerous examples of what to implore in your prayers. He knows that is all we need in our prayers to Him
Read-between-the-line kinda response, but that's ok. I've read Al-Ghazali books, ibn Khatir etc indirectly in a way mentally building a dossier of the authors psychological profiles...their intellectuals, their genuine intentions etc
Do you have any published materials, any written materials that I can read (besides these videos) in English or in Bahasa?
History has to be looked at as the Quran came 1400 years ago and messenger of Allah (muhmammad pbuh) obeyed it fully as he was a prophet of Allah. He was alive when the Quran came (duh) so you know the messege but do you know how the messenger conveyed the messege? Again learn the Quran in arabic and in full context (history) before following blind beliefs or your desires. You only follow conjucture whilst muslims know what salat means and how it is done, do you??
I believe Mohammad to be the Messenger of Allah, thus I believe the numerous accounts regarding the Prophets actions could not be compromised in the fashion you are suggesting. Am I naive to believe all the Hadith - the 'recorded' info & differing sources, regarding the Prophet's salat is falsified? I will say, that if there was a camcorder 1400years ago of his daily routine; I would be comfortable in doing the exact same thing I saw him do? So not videotape only investigated Hadiths.
1 - You use the bible as i said it contradicts the Quran so how can they both be right - Do you pick and choose and if so what is your criteria?
2 - By the way the way the prophet read salat and in what direction he read it at is an historical fact, so why do you criticise the Muslims when we read it the way the prophet read it.
if we use the Quarn only in our spiritual dimension why does the Quran order for practical laws, practical prayers and practical pilgirimage which all muslims do in a specific way because the prophwt of God showed it. Isa(as) did the same for the Jews but they rejected it by living the Injeel (not the modern day bible) and so did moses(as) with the Torah. In there times the right people followed them but there messege as been distorted as you can see your self in the bible.
Where in the Quran does it say you have to pray 5 times a day? That you have to circle the Kaaba 7 times? Kiss the Hajar Aswad? That you have to stone the Devils tied to the 3 posts at Jamrah?
Don't tell me the Hadith teaches us to practice God's rituals through Prophet Muhammad because God did not leave ANYTHING out of His book. Any practices found outside the Quran is considered innovation.
Quran: 6:38 "...We did not leave ANYTHING out of this book..."
how do you read salat, what about Hajj. Do you know why we do it? If so where do you get your proof from, another book which the Quran forbids or your won desires which the Quran also forbids as you are meant obey Allah(Quran) and Messenger (pbuh) sunnah.
learn history. some of the things you have mentioned are not compulsory to do the hajj but we do it in comememration of Abrham as the prophet told us how to do Hajj. What does it mean to make the Kabba sacred.
also Allah did not leave anything out of his book. The messege was given to a messenger and messenger lived the Quran and showed us what the surahs and verses mean IN CONTEXT (history) which i assume you are ignorant of.
but please answer my Questions do you know how the Quran was compiled?
do you know arabic or do you rely ona translation which is not the Quran as the Quran is in arabic.?
do you know what Muslims read in the salat and how they do it?
i was a Sunni Muslim for 40 years. I know Islamic history.
The loudest and ringing word heard echoing through the mosque when Solat is AMEEN... not Allah but AMEEN.... why do you implore Ameen-Ra, the pagan Egyptian God?
You are supposed to mention ONLY God in your Solat, why did you mention Muhammad and Ibrahim in your Tahiyyat? And why did you read the Surah to God? Is it for God to hear His Revelations?
you said i don't know islamic history and the science of hadith that is why i tell you that i know. its up to you to say i am arrogant, but tht is not my intention.
You can follow what you want. I am not your guardian.
Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Qur'aan 3:164]
Salaam I am also not your guardian but I feel that you should look and see if you follow Allah and the messenger of Allah, Islam has been around for 1400 years and has built a religion which is the fastes growing in the world. I agree that most muslims are ignorant but as a brother in Islam i urge you to hear what the learned men have to say about the Quran and the prophet of God and not follow people of ignor. May Allah guide you back to the real Islam
salaam by the way if i was harsh i am sorry as it is not the way of Islam - check below for Q.
And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur'aan 59:7
He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah." [Qur'aan 4:80
Say: If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur'aan 3:31
Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Qur'aan 3:164]
How do you follow wisdom of the prophet if you dont follow authentic historical sources (hadith) as the Quran tells you? do you contradict the Quran by not following the prophets wisdom??
by the way when i talk about hadiths not all of them as some were fabricated by people to hurt Islam but the ones that are authentic through chain of narration and the science of Hadith.
And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur'aan 59:7
The verse above is definitly talking about religious guidance from the prophet of God.
Please answer this Question if the prophet of God told us how to do salat as the Quran says ina specific way (backed by History) how do you pray salat and what source?
also your statement about muslims following there forefathers is not true as we follow the prophet of God and how he read it through reliable historical sources, (its a historical fact and not a belief the way the muslims read there salat (contact prayer).
but what were the other prophets, they were muslims just like Muhammad(pbuh). So we follow there way by following what the messenger showed us and told us (history again). the other prophets messeges have been distorted but they followed what Muhammad (pbuh) followed as the Quarn says so we have to follow the Quran (Only) not the modern day bible as the Injeel and Taurat have been lost, read the bible and you shall see that they are not the same books that Allah talks about.
i have been a careful student of the Bible for over 20 years. i assure you, most of it is true. whatever the Quran does not contradict is true...which is most of it.
i have been a careful student of the Quran for almost 2 years now. it clearly tells you to believe in All the Prophets, not to make distinction among any of them. and that Muhammad was not more than a Messenger, like the ones before him.
...once again, just some of the Scriptures from the Quran that show we must follow both Books are quoted in Part 46. the arguments Muslims use to reject the Bible are discussed in Part 74.
as i have explained, i will not go on in endless debate. you can surely believe whatever you so...and so can i.
salaam, yes there is no compulsion in religion but there is also ignorance of history. I dont think you know the history of the prophet, Muhammad (pbuh) nor do you know when each verse/surah was reaveled beacsue it was reaveled in a certain time and period and in a specific place. I will urge you to read about the prophet of God and learn much more about Islam and muslims then just blindly making your own religion up. You learn the messege but do you know how the messenger expressed the messege.
the real Muhammad, the one whom the Quran was revealed to. he had wives...we do not know how many or thier ages. he was a faithful servant, even though others were pressuring him to bring a reading other than the Quran. the real Muhammad did not make false prohibitons...even though his wives wanted him to. he was imperfect...after all he turned away from the blind man...
...that is about all we know about him, because that is ALL ALLAH wanted us to know!
then there is the Fabricated Muhammad,
the one your fathers created in the Hadiths. the one who instructs you to make ritualistic prayers. prohibits many things that Allah has not prohibited. married a 9 year old and caused the people to become superstitious and backwards.
that is the Muhammad those in Islam idolized....and he DOESN'T EVEN EXIST...except in your imagination and your fabrications.
do you even know what Muslims read in there salat and the actions they perform them in, I dont think so, but this is what i expect from a person who follows her whims and desires, Muhammad was a real man in Arabia and a prophet of Allah you have to accept the age and culture that the prophets were born in. Its history but no deabte needed as you have shown that you pick and choose based on your desire and dont see objective historical facts. May Allah guide you
there is no two Muhammads - Muhammad(pbuh) taught us what the verses about Salat mean so we pray salat the way he showed us to do otherwise to make your own religion which you have here, and you know Allah swt says about people who dont listen to the messenger or obey him, which you dont as History tells us. As i said there is no need to debate you choose not to listen to the messenger which 1.5 m Mulsim agree upon backed by History and evidence. Yet you still pick+choose.
I have some concerns with the Hadiths, whether man-made or by Allah's will. My thoughts are the Quran is small in overall text but to the point. However, with the amount of information (i.e. depth of knowledge in Islamic practices and regulations), why is it incorrect to accept the Quran via Mohammad PBUH as a Prophet of God, but then deny the ways in which he lived his life. I guess what I'd like for you to answer is: Do you believe the Hadith regarding 5 daily salat and wudu is contrived?
Hello Sister Becca...I hope you are doing great. Have a bit of a debate for you here = )
"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is God unmindful of what they do."
...no, you are not to literally face Becca when you pray. however, you are to turn to the Messenger for guidance...including on how to pray in a way that is pleasing to Most Gracious.
"Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the Scripture, and the Prophets..."
True, however you are only cherry picking a few Surah's. The house of the Prophet Abraham (PBUH) has been mentioned many times in the Holy Quran (as you know).
Our independent minds are what make us Muslims. I wish you wouldn't generalize the Muslim's of today as "Them"
There are many of us with generations of understanding in truth.
Surah 2:177 is referring to empty hearted prayer IMO.
The Lord of the Universe, the GOD of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Deborah, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Daniel, Anna, Jesus, Muhammad...and All the Prophets and Prophetess of GOD.
yes, our prayers to GOD are not to be a ritual. rather, we are to establish consistent, regular, heartfelt prayers. we pray in various positions...but not in a pattern. and our Great GOD gives us guidance in His Words as to what to pray for.
peace. ok. how about the part where God instructs us to wash our face, wipe our heads, hands to elbows n wash feet? is that a ritual before praying?
ilkongsag 2 months ago
@ilkongsag
no, because those are instructions from Scriptures. however, yes...what some have turned that into is ritual if they have gone above and beyond the simple washing described there.
WhereIsTruth 2 months ago
@fgahadith
peace to you,
yes, i mentioned bow in the video.
the Scripture you quoted was all in English accept two words...Salat and Zakat
salat is just the Arabic word for prayer and zakat means charity.
if look at Yusif Ali's English translation it says prayer and charity not Salat and Zakat.
so Allah taught Abraham to observe prayer...but not the ritualistic prayer that Islam calls the salat. that is the traditions of their fathers, not a teaching of the Quran.
WhereIsTruth 2 months ago
Assalamu alaikum Becca.
Hope you are doing well, inshallah.
Do you know how to understand 4:101 about shortening the prayer? I just thought if we are shortening the parayer then it would mean that there should be more than one raka (unit). If its more than one then how to find out how many units exactly?
Barakallah feek.
Osman
osmanz1976 7 months ago
@osmanz1976
wa' alaykum salaam brother Osman,
there are no units of prayer. that is Islamic tradition. what Allah is saying is that in times of distress we should still pray, but we may have to have brief prayers because of the situation. it is not the length of prayer that is important, rather the sincerity and regularity of contact with God.
WhereIsTruth 7 months ago
@aranahmad101
peace to you,
where did you get the idea from this video, or any of my videos...that i don't believe in the Quran?
i believe in the Quran, what i don't believe in is the wayward sects of Islam...which don't even really follow the Quran, but rather the teachings of their fathers.
for explanation i invite you to watch Parts 5,46,50 and 113
WhereIsTruth 7 months ago
salamualykum , watched it now .....becc, lol and peace to all
TheLinglonglinglong 1 year ago
.. you, however that fact if handled with respect, peace and patience between brother and sisters is a very healthy and virtuous instinct we should use as believes.
All praise belongs to the One, the Supreme, the Lord of all the worlds.
freemind1981 1 year ago
Peace!
If you take in your knowledge from what is holy, God will show you His Way. Finding God alone is never a generic event, there are an infinite ways to God Alone. God Alone chooses whom He will guide or misguide, however the soul will get exactly what it deserves. Do not look for affirmation, have trust and confidence in God, that is the Best affirmation. What world we are given to experience is in direct relation to what our souls have yearned for.
In patience I agree and disagree with..
freemind1981 1 year ago
But i think that rukuu and sajda and dua are the essence of Salat and by keeping this in mind we can pray 5 times a day in islamic manner facing kaaba. i don't think so there is any kind of harm doing that. You will only get blessings from Allah :)
BrainSnare 2 years ago
"And do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, devoting themselves to Him alone. You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning. If you dismiss them, you will be a transgressor."
Surah 6:52
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Peace WI/Truth
Sincerely seeking the truth. Have viewed many of your vids. I was born into a muslim family but over last 12 mnths waking up to the truth.
What is your view on the muslim congregational prayer & Friday prayers ? Also, seen vid on Kaaba but what is your view on the Haj where is this meant to occur. I can undertsand your point of idolatry esp of black stone as this is clear but where is the House that is meant to be circled & purified istated in Quran ?
timetothink01 2 years ago
peace upon you timetothink,
the answer to your questions are either in the videos, or they will be answered in future videos by myself or others.
please understand many people write to me in both video comments and private messages. i cannot possibly answer everyone individually, or keep re-explaining things. also, i do not know the answer to every question and some will be able to explain better than i can...
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
...however, in general the style of praying done in Islam is not in the Quran, because it is not from God. so i do not involve myself with ritualistic prayers. i would love to go to the local mosque, but they are so far astray.
may Allah guide us in the right path :)
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
@WhereIsTruth Do you have any websites or any written sources for easier reference to understand better the way you understand the Quran?
I clearly rejected the hadith as because of this men written stories, Islam has mazhabs and different laws while what God says never meant to burden us except to guide us to the straight path, which I finally come to realize to rely solely on the Quran for the time being.
lemuriavi 11 months ago
My version of the Quran says to pray to the Masjid al-Haram
gewoonvoorfa2 2 years ago
peace gewwoon,
note how the Quran never says where that is.
in fact, Mecca is never mentioned in the Quran...only the Mecca Valley once. most translations have "Mecca" in brackets but it is not really there.
for a more detailed explanation, see the video in my favorites called "the Kaaba, the False Qiblah"
peace
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
It doesn't say Mecca, it says Masjid al-Haram.
gewoonvoorfa2 2 years ago
yes...Sacred Masjid
and like i said...that is addressed in the video i invited you to watch
peace again
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
I never thought the traditional pattern of Islamic prayer was important. It's just a series of movements anyway. Your heart and soul is what counts. I've even been told that if I did 3 incorrect movements or gestures, my prayers will not be accepted...rofl. Then there's the hadith that says if a dog, ass or woman passes by you while your praying your prayer won't be accepted. This alone shows the corruption and evil in the hadith, yet people claiming to be "pious" uphold these piles of bullshit.
Meteora759 2 years ago
peace Meteora,
yes, the reason the style of praying practiced in Islam is not detailed in the Quran...is because it is not from God.
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Don't forget as a Muslim you have to wash your hands to the elbows, feet up to the ankles and your face. God wants us purified and if no water is around you can use clean dirt/sand and if none is avail, God will understand.
Peace.
Salvation4Dummies 2 years ago
yes S4D,
God says we are to wash before prayer.
however, it is a quite simple procedure.
peace to you
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
What will those who invent lies against Allah think on the Day of Rising? Allah shows favour to mankind but most of them are not thankful. (10:60)
thetruthprevail999 3 years ago
true prevail,
most people are not thankful.
for instance, Allah blessed Muhammad's people with the Quran. yet the Quran says that on the Day of Judgment the Messenger will say, "My people have abandoned this Quran".....they were certainly not thankful for what was given them. and even to this day they continue to cling to the fabricated teachings of their fathers.
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
Say: People who invent lies against Allah will not be successful. (10:69)
thetruthprevail999 3 years ago
Give Thanks to God
Praise and Glorify God
Ask to know HIS will
As for His strength and Grace to DO HIS will
Keep yourself always in God's presence (by purity and truth) and you will hear his answers
bigbono12 3 years ago
hello friends,
the Scripture regarding different positions of Prayer is Surah 3:191, not 3:91.
please pardon the error. :)
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
Salam Alaikom, I belive Quran is the only source For Guidance (not hadith) & they attribute falsly to Prophet Muhammad, like stoning to death for adultery is not in Quran, & many more.
Hamid
creativehamid 3 years ago
wa'aleykum salaam brother hammid,
yes, the Hadiths have done much damage to Muhammad's reputation. Allah says we are not to seek other than His Word for our spiritual direction.
Surah 6:114,115
if you like, i invite you to watch Part 50 of my videos. it's called:
"What does the Quran say about the Hadiths?"
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
salaam zafthedon
Allah says the Quran is fully detailed and complete.
Quran:[6:114] "Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book FULLY DETAILED?... You shall not harbor any doubt."
Quran: [6:115] "The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words..."
Why do you base your religious guidance on man-made history, when Allah says the Quran is fully detailed and complete?
Insya Allah
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
salaam
first of all the verses you quote from are not talking about hadiths as Hadiths are SAYINGS and ACTIONS of the prophet not a book and have to be looked at in context of when they were said, secondly this also applies to the Quran as it was reaveled in the time of the prophet and he showed us how to follow it, eg salat because as the Quarn says follow Allah and the messenger of God who expressed the Quran in his life. Learn more history, also do you know how the Quran was compiled???
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zafthedon,
The Arabic Musyaf (Musyaf Osmaniah) did spell Hadith as HA,DAL,WAW,YA,SHIN. If Allah meant Hadith to be Words, or Songs He would have said so. Dont belittle his Cleverness.
Allah is strongly against HADITH, see the Arabic Text for 12:111, 31:6; 45:6.
You surely can believe what you want to believe, I am not your guardian.
Quran: [6:66] "Your people have rejected this, even though it is the truth. Say, "'I am not a guardian over you.'"
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
salaam
why do you not answer my questions
- Do you know what muslims read in salat and how the do it?
- what book do you use to know what salat is, desires or another book. When the prophet showed what it means and how to do it(history).
- do you know how the Quran was compiled?
By the way do you think history is idle tales - dont think so? again dont take verses out of context LERAN HISTORY of the Prophet and Islam.
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zafthedon,
You haven't quoted any Quran verses to support yr practices.
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
you havent answerd by questions - I told what does it mean when the Qurans says obey Allah AND the messenger. 3-132.
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zaf,
would you like to know what it means?
if you would please see part 71 called:
"Obey the Messenger"
before doing so, you might want to see Parts 21,53 and 56 first.
peace again,
Becca
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
Peace...
Wow..you guys have turned things upside down whereas all christians ph.D, Th.D could not do...
I am not interested in debate, just two questions to manicwild since you seem to know alot...
What do you think about syehk Al-Ghazali, Ibn Khatir etc who included hadith in their books were they wrong?
Prior to Hadith collections (+200 yrs yousay), Bukhari, Muslim those hadith collectors how they performed shalat,fasting etc like you or like regular muslim now?
(no vid. kinda lame answer)
ReflectedNoor 3 years ago
peace Noor,
The Compilers were interested in chain of transmission rather than content. The contents were not scrutinised, how it changed like the game "chinese whispers".
In these books a new religion was written that dominated over the Quran despite the claim for the opposite. In writing these books, the authors did not care if the hadith they are writing contradict the Quran or other Hadith or common sense. In reality they fulfilled the promise of God in Surah 6:112-113.
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
peace Noor,
(1) Malik Ibn Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa"
(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths, in his famous "Musnad".He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is 94% lies and fabrications
God willing
manicwild 3 years ago
Peace Noor,
(3) Bukhary collected about 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected .
(4)Moslem collected 300,000 hadiths and only accepted 4000 of them, and refused about 296,000 . that is almost 99% of these collected hadiths .
God willing
manicwild 3 years ago
peace Noor,
a study of the arabic word "solat" will tell you what it really means. If God deems it important that you pray 5 times a day and how the hadith taught you to do, He would surely include them in the Quran, because He says the Quran is fully detailed and complete (Quran 6:114, 41:3 etc). Yet, He only included how to clean yourself before prayer (Quran 5:6) and gave numerous examples of what to implore in your prayers. He knows that is all we need in our prayers to Him
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
peace Manic...
Read-between-the-line kinda response, but that's ok. I've read Al-Ghazali books, ibn Khatir etc indirectly in a way mentally building a dossier of the authors psychological profiles...their intellectuals, their genuine intentions etc
Do you have any published materials, any written materials that I can read (besides these videos) in English or in Bahasa?
ReflectedNoor 3 years ago
peace Noor,
maybe i can depend on you to scrutinise the contents of al-ghazali and ibn khatir? :)
most written materials i have is on my profession, nothing on religion or hadith per se. i'm sorry i can't help u on tht.
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
Whatever differences we have, we believe Allah be the Judge...
One thing I could say though: in this case, you do have guts... A good thing or a bad thing, after we die we'll soon know...
peace manic n have a good life...
p.s.: whereistruth... I did watch...
ReflectedNoor 3 years ago
peace reflectedNoor,
Insya Allah
manicwild
manicwild 3 years ago
salaam brother RN,
the Believers rely on GOD's Holy Books as our source of guidance.
if you like, i invite you to watch:
Parts 4,17 and 46
the videos are created to recite and explain God's Revelations, truthfully...insha'Allah
Surah 5:15, 7:35
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
is there any outside sources I can use to study the word "solat" I don't know arabic so this might be hard for me
flamezstr33t 3 years ago
hello brother flame,
ask brother manic...he can explain it better than i.
peace :)
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
peace flamez,
The Arabic word SALAT is derived from the root word WASALA, the noun being WASL, or "making contact."
The word SALAT, therefore, means to "keep in contact" with God (Allah). However, it is not the ritualistic SALAT as taught by the Hadiths.
Insha'Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
thanks brother! shalom!
flamezstr33t 3 years ago
salaam
History has to be looked at as the Quran came 1400 years ago and messenger of Allah (muhmammad pbuh) obeyed it fully as he was a prophet of Allah. He was alive when the Quran came (duh) so you know the messege but do you know how the messenger conveyed the messege? Again learn the Quran in arabic and in full context (history) before following blind beliefs or your desires. You only follow conjucture whilst muslims know what salat means and how it is done, do you??
zafthedon 3 years ago
I believe Mohammad to be the Messenger of Allah, thus I believe the numerous accounts regarding the Prophets actions could not be compromised in the fashion you are suggesting. Am I naive to believe all the Hadith - the 'recorded' info & differing sources, regarding the Prophet's salat is falsified? I will say, that if there was a camcorder 1400years ago of his daily routine; I would be comfortable in doing the exact same thing I saw him do? So not videotape only investigated Hadiths.
cribster123 3 years ago
salaam cribster,
there is a fundamental flaw to your reasoning.
we are not to distinguish one Prophet from another.
Surah 3:84
and...Muhammad was no more than a Messenger, like the Messengers before him.
Surah 3:144
you obey the Messenger, by obeying the Message...the Quran,
not by following the teachings of your fathers.
if you like, see Parts 50,71,74,80
peace upon you
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
I have two questions
Salaam
1 - You use the bible as i said it contradicts the Quran so how can they both be right - Do you pick and choose and if so what is your criteria?
2 - By the way the way the prophet read salat and in what direction he read it at is an historical fact, so why do you criticise the Muslims when we read it the way the prophet read it.
Peace.
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam,
i believe in the Previous Scriptures because Allah so clearly tells us to in the Quran.
Please see Parts 46.
the arguments that Muslims use to reject it is covered in Part 74
with the Quran we know what was altered in the Bible. the Truth is, most of it is true and very important...as Allah says in the Quran.
we are only to use God's Words in our spiritual direction. Surah 6:114,115...
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
salaam
if we use the Quarn only in our spiritual dimension why does the Quran order for practical laws, practical prayers and practical pilgirimage which all muslims do in a specific way because the prophwt of God showed it. Isa(as) did the same for the Jews but they rejected it by living the Injeel (not the modern day bible) and so did moses(as) with the Torah. In there times the right people followed them but there messege as been distorted as you can see your self in the bible.
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zafthedon,
Where in the Quran does it say you have to pray 5 times a day? That you have to circle the Kaaba 7 times? Kiss the Hajar Aswad? That you have to stone the Devils tied to the 3 posts at Jamrah?
Don't tell me the Hadith teaches us to practice God's rituals through Prophet Muhammad because God did not leave ANYTHING out of His book. Any practices found outside the Quran is considered innovation.
Quran: 6:38 "...We did not leave ANYTHING out of this book..."
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
salaam
how do you read salat, what about Hajj. Do you know why we do it? If so where do you get your proof from, another book which the Quran forbids or your won desires which the Quran also forbids as you are meant obey Allah(Quran) and Messenger (pbuh) sunnah.
learn history. some of the things you have mentioned are not compulsory to do the hajj but we do it in comememration of Abrham as the prophet told us how to do Hajj. What does it mean to make the Kabba sacred.
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam
also Allah did not leave anything out of his book. The messege was given to a messenger and messenger lived the Quran and showed us what the surahs and verses mean IN CONTEXT (history) which i assume you are ignorant of.
but please answer my Questions do you know how the Quran was compiled?
do you know arabic or do you rely ona translation which is not the Quran as the Quran is in arabic.?
do you know what Muslims read in the salat and how they do it?
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zafthedon,
i was a Sunni Muslim for 40 years. I know Islamic history.
The loudest and ringing word heard echoing through the mosque when Solat is AMEEN... not Allah but AMEEN.... why do you implore Ameen-Ra, the pagan Egyptian God?
You are supposed to mention ONLY God in your Solat, why did you mention Muhammad and Ibrahim in your Tahiyyat? And why did you read the Surah to God? Is it for God to hear His Revelations?
Like i said "Lakum deenukum waliadeen" 109:6
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
salaam
what parts of the Quran do you recite?
do you know teh hadith of science?
Just being a sunni muslim does not mean you know Islamic history - Is that not arrogance??
what does the verse Obey Allah and the messenger Mean??
how do you perform salat and what is your source?
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zafthedon,
you said i don't know islamic history and the science of hadith that is why i tell you that i know. its up to you to say i am arrogant, but tht is not my intention.
You can follow what you want. I am not your guardian.
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Qur'aan 3:164]
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam zaf,
in regards to 3:164...as well as 3:96 and 5:15,
please see Parts 21,53,56 and 71.
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
Salaam
you missed this
Say: If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur'aan 3:31
I will see the parts soon.
peace.
zafthedon 3 years ago
check 7 -157 out too (in the Quran).
Salaam I am also not your guardian but I feel that you should look and see if you follow Allah and the messenger of Allah, Islam has been around for 1400 years and has built a religion which is the fastes growing in the world. I agree that most muslims are ignorant but as a brother in Islam i urge you to hear what the learned men have to say about the Quran and the prophet of God and not follow people of ignor. May Allah guide you back to the real Islam
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam by the way if i was harsh i am sorry as it is not the way of Islam - check below for Q.
And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur'aan 59:7
He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah." [Qur'aan 4:80
Say: If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur'aan 3:31
peace - may Allah guide you.
zafthedon 3 years ago
peace,
Quran 59:7 is regarding "spoils of war". The conext of the ayat is not regarding religious guidance.
Obey the Messenger is to obey his Message ie. the Quran.
I follow Allah and His Quran. I reject the Hadiths as Lies and Fabrications which Muslims attribute wrongly to Muhammad.
I am not in Islam. I only Follow the Quran, the whole Quran and nothing but the Quran.
I believe we should agree to disagree. I am tired of debating with you. Allah be the Judge.
Insya Allah
manicwild 3 years ago
Salaam
Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Qur'aan 3:164]
How do you follow wisdom of the prophet if you dont follow authentic historical sources (hadith) as the Quran tells you? do you contradict the Quran by not following the prophets wisdom??
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam
by the way when i talk about hadiths not all of them as some were fabricated by people to hurt Islam but the ones that are authentic through chain of narration and the science of Hadith.
zafthedon 3 years ago
And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur'aan 59:7
The verse above is definitly talking about religious guidance from the prophet of God.
Please answer this Question if the prophet of God told us how to do salat as the Quran says ina specific way (backed by History) how do you pray salat and what source?
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam.
also your statement about muslims following there forefathers is not true as we follow the prophet of God and how he read it through reliable historical sources, (its a historical fact and not a belief the way the muslims read there salat (contact prayer).
peace, I'll wait for my answers.
zafthedon 3 years ago
peace again,
Muhammad was no more than a Messenger, like the ones before him.
Surah 3:144
we are to follow ALL the Prophets.
Surah 3:84
putting so much emphasis on just one is wrong.
peace once more
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
salaam
salaam
but what were the other prophets, they were muslims just like Muhammad(pbuh). So we follow there way by following what the messenger showed us and told us (history again). the other prophets messeges have been distorted but they followed what Muhammad (pbuh) followed as the Quarn says so we have to follow the Quran (Only) not the modern day bible as the Injeel and Taurat have been lost, read the bible and you shall see that they are not the same books that Allah talks about.
zafthedon 3 years ago
peace again zafthedon,
i have been a careful student of the Bible for over 20 years. i assure you, most of it is true. whatever the Quran does not contradict is true...which is most of it.
i have been a careful student of the Quran for almost 2 years now. it clearly tells you to believe in All the Prophets, not to make distinction among any of them. and that Muhammad was not more than a Messenger, like the ones before him.
Surah 3:84,144...
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
...once again, just some of the Scriptures from the Quran that show we must follow both Books are quoted in Part 46. the arguments Muslims use to reject the Bible are discussed in Part 74.
as i have explained, i will not go on in endless debate. you can surely believe whatever you so...and so can i.
peace upon you
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
salaam, yes there is no compulsion in religion but there is also ignorance of history. I dont think you know the history of the prophet, Muhammad (pbuh) nor do you know when each verse/surah was reaveled beacsue it was reaveled in a certain time and period and in a specific place. I will urge you to read about the prophet of God and learn much more about Islam and muslims then just blindly making your own religion up. You learn the messege but do you know how the messenger expressed the messege.
zafthedon 3 years ago
brother zafthedon,
i will tell you the Truth.
there are two Muhammads.
the real Muhammad, the one whom the Quran was revealed to. he had wives...we do not know how many or thier ages. he was a faithful servant, even though others were pressuring him to bring a reading other than the Quran. the real Muhammad did not make false prohibitons...even though his wives wanted him to. he was imperfect...after all he turned away from the blind man...
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
...that is about all we know about him, because that is ALL ALLAH wanted us to know!
then there is the Fabricated Muhammad,
the one your fathers created in the Hadiths. the one who instructs you to make ritualistic prayers. prohibits many things that Allah has not prohibited. married a 9 year old and caused the people to become superstitious and backwards.
that is the Muhammad those in Islam idolized....and he DOESN'T EVEN EXIST...except in your imagination and your fabrications.
peace
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
salaam
do you even know what Muslims read in there salat and the actions they perform them in, I dont think so, but this is what i expect from a person who follows her whims and desires, Muhammad was a real man in Arabia and a prophet of Allah you have to accept the age and culture that the prophets were born in. Its history but no deabte needed as you have shown that you pick and choose based on your desire and dont see objective historical facts. May Allah guide you
see ya.
zafthedon 3 years ago
salaam
there is no two Muhammads - Muhammad(pbuh) taught us what the verses about Salat mean so we pray salat the way he showed us to do otherwise to make your own religion which you have here, and you know Allah swt says about people who dont listen to the messenger or obey him, which you dont as History tells us. As i said there is no need to debate you choose not to listen to the messenger which 1.5 m Mulsim agree upon backed by History and evidence. Yet you still pick+choose.
zafthedon 3 years ago
I have some concerns with the Hadiths, whether man-made or by Allah's will. My thoughts are the Quran is small in overall text but to the point. However, with the amount of information (i.e. depth of knowledge in Islamic practices and regulations), why is it incorrect to accept the Quran via Mohammad PBUH as a Prophet of God, but then deny the ways in which he lived his life. I guess what I'd like for you to answer is: Do you believe the Hadith regarding 5 daily salat and wudu is contrived?
cribster123 3 years ago
Hello Sister Becca...I hope you are doing great. Have a bit of a debate for you here = )
"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is God unmindful of what they do."
S.2:144
What would you consider "The sacred Mosque"
li3sindisguis3 3 years ago
hello brothe li3,
the Islam practiced in Muhammad's time is much different than the Islam practiced now. Islam has deviated and become full of man made teachings.
Allah's word transcends time. that Scritpure has an allegorical meaning for our day.
please note Surah 3:96.
it doens't say Mecca there...it says Becca. 5:15 sheds further light on 3:96 by showing that the Beacon referred to there is the Messenger...
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
...no, you are not to literally face Becca when you pray. however, you are to turn to the Messenger for guidance...including on how to pray in a way that is pleasing to Most Gracious.
if you would like more explanation see:
Parts 20,21,53 and 79
peace to you
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
"Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the Scripture, and the Prophets..."
Surah 2:177
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
True, however you are only cherry picking a few Surah's. The house of the Prophet Abraham (PBUH) has been mentioned many times in the Holy Quran (as you know).
Our independent minds are what make us Muslims. I wish you wouldn't generalize the Muslim's of today as "Them"
There are many of us with generations of understanding in truth.
Surah 2:177 is referring to empty hearted prayer IMO.
Peace Becca
li3sindisguis3 3 years ago
hello again li3,
as more videos are written, more will be explained.
peace to you as well. :)
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
Dear Sister Becca,
Now I know how to pray fm the msg u deliver to us in this part 57.
Peace to you.
Praises all be to GOD Alone.
The Almighty!
rezatira79 3 years ago
yes dear Brother Rezatira
All Praise to GOD alone!
The Lord of the Universe, the GOD of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Deborah, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Daniel, Anna, Jesus, Muhammad...and All the Prophets and Prophetess of GOD.
peace upon them all
and peace to you. :)
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
peace becca,
thank you. i now pray as per the Quran and the previous Scriptures confirmed by it.
Be You Glorified, our God.
Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.
God willing
manicwild 3 years ago
and peace to you manicwild,
yes, our prayers to GOD are not to be a ritual. rather, we are to establish consistent, regular, heartfelt prayers. we pray in various positions...but not in a pattern. and our Great GOD gives us guidance in His Words as to what to pray for.
peace once more
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago
fantastic god is felxable and not stuck in stone i have subscibed bless you sis
revertsalam 3 years ago
hello revertsalam,
i'm glad you liked the video friend.
thank you for subscribing. :)
May Allah guide us in all truth.
May our Great GOD bless you as well.
your sister,
Becca
WhereIsTruth 3 years ago