Being Gay, straight, bisexual is more than just about have sex. Someone desire for the loneliness of someone of the same or opposite gender. They are more comfortable with the person of the opposite or same gender. The feel the need to comfort or love the person of the same or opposite gender. People base sexuality all about sex, and it is more than about sex, such as the attraction, caring, and the love u feel for the person of that gender.
I don't believe that homophobes are saying that gay people have directly chosen to be gay. They are saying that gay people have made so many immoral/distorted/perverted choices in their life...and that has warped their perspective so much that loving someone of the same sex seems natural. They think that gay people should repent their immoral/distorted/perverted choices that lead to being gay in an effort to cure themselves.
Note: I think this argument is absurd, but useful to understand
First of all, immorality is an opinion of society, where it a sin or not depends on your beliefs and religion. The question would be is sexuality a choice? Genetics, Hormones, and etc all have it's flaws? Not saying anything wrong with genetics and hormones but don't everything fall the way you would think it should fall.
Excellent point. I don't think any woman would want a gay man trying really hard to have sex with them. I don't think any family member would want to see female family member forced to endure a marriage where the husband had to force himself to do something unpleasant - have sex.
I think the only "choice" available here is choosing to "act" straight -to appear to be someone you are not- to fit in or make your interactions with family easier.
I hear str8 people say a person becomes gay because of some influence (or lack of) when they were young. But ask them if they would be gay if raised in the same environment and they cannot imagine it.
This is the way i see it. I think that straight people are the only ones that say gay people can choose to be gay or not, only because they haven't experienced it for themselves or they secretly have and they just say that stuff to appear to be straight around other people. What do you think? I do agree with you 100%.
Thank you for posting this topic. I am Bi so this is a great thing for me to talk about.
im not sure if its a choice but i've always think that it depends on how you live you life since u are a kid and what things happend little details can make you growing up with the idea that u are atracted to ur own sex but thats what i think... i dont think anyone born beeing gay
As I expected no one has an answer to my question, which is not "why would one choose to be gay" but "HOW would one execute such a choice?" It is a ridiculous idea. But for gay to be a 'choice' that is exactly what has to happen.
sure I can... I can condition myself to have sex with anything I want. I CHOOSE not to, because of my moral fortitude. I know it is wrong, unhealthy, unnatural, and perverse.
This is why people drift in and out of homosexuality and heterosexuality all the time... its a choice. I have a straight friend who started straight until he was 21, had strictly gay relationships until he was 30, and now he chose to be straight again... he is 34. Feel free to explain away....
You are still describing behavior, not attraction orr orientation. What could you do to change your internal makeup to DESIRE sex with men and not with women? To fall in love with your own sex?
Those are not subject to choice. One can chose to have sex as you wish, many straight men have had sex with other men and even enjoyed it ...but that's not sexual orientation, it's sexual behavior.
Oh and it sounds to me like your friend is Bi and has decided to focus on women. But you have only described his behavior so I can't say what his fundamental desires are.
He bisexual, you can't say it a choice base on his sexuality, if he was gay he would be only with gays, and he was straight he would only be with straight
your arguement is similar those posed by Pedophiles. Further, the same arguement can be made by those who enjoy other perverse sexual activities like bestiality, paraphalia, masochism, sadism, and Frotteurism.
Since sexual behavior is not a choice, and immutable... then you clearly support these "minority" groups and want them to have special considerations... correct??
I wonder if you even listened to it? I have no idea what you are talking about. Your comments are wholly unrelated to the discussion I offered/
I don't know what arguments pedophiles pose, though obviously you are much more familiar with them than I am. I didn't suggest anything about special considerations. I simply discussed the myth that being gay is a choice and proferred an expiriment to demonstrate the falsity of the idea to them.
I think you should go away and grow up. In that order.
your arguement sounded like.... you are gay, it is not a choice... if you are straight, imagine yourself trying to make a conscious choice to have anal sex and "liking dick" (your words).
If this is not your arguement... then I totally misunderstood.
If it is your arguement, then it is the same arguement that other people use to defend their abnormal sexual behavior.
If being gay is not a choice.. your experiment should be centered around finding the illusive gay gene.
The other "minority" groups with sexual confusion would also argue their sexual behavior is their "orientation" or "identity" or whatever. Again... the burden of proof falls on you. Is their a blood test, spinal tap, dna test that identifies you as "gay". There is not. Therefore your behavior is not a trait and is certainly not immutable. This is why people drift in and out of homo and heterosexuality. Sorry man... the evidence is stacked against you. Your "orientation" is your choice.
Nobody's orientation is a choice. However, how would it be relevant? Whether someone chose to be gay or didn't choose it, but was, they still should get equal rights under the law.
your arguement is people should be protected for the choices they make. Where in the constitution does it guarantee equality due to "choices"? Take a civics class.
It's a stupid debate. Sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Come on. Think logically. NOBODY would ever choose to be part of an oppressed minority. People reveal that they are gay because they know it is not possible for them to truly be heterosexual. So their only choice is do they hide it or admit to it? Hiding it leads to an unfulfilling and disrespectful lonely life. Admiting it can lead to commited, monogamous, life long marriage.
You weren't listening. Sexual ORIENTATION is not a choice, sexual BEHAVIOR is a choice. You have a twisted view of homosexuality. It is not a perversion, it is a normal part of nature for a minority of people.
You need it to be normal, you want it to be normal, so that homosexuals arent viewed as "abnormal" or perverse. Just because you say its normal doesnt make it normal. Homosexuality is an anomaly in sexual confusion, caused by environmental conditions, encouragement from mother or father figures, and choices to pursue a very unhealthy, flamboyant, and perverse lifestyle. There is NO gay gene that causes this, so you can not blame it on physiology or nature.
You are an idiot, sexual orientation, fetishes, etc. None of these or what you listed are choices. You are true in that respect, but! Being homosexual doesn't hurt anyone, pedophiles go out and rape young children who, biologically, are not meant to have sex with anyone and can therefore psychologically damage them for life. Its very simple, being gay is not a choice, chosing to act on these feelings is. But being gay doesnt hurt anyone so there is nothing wrong with it.
Name calling is mature, you must be losing your arguement.
PROVE IT... prove orientation, behavior, fetishes, etc are not a choice. Where is the S&M gene? There must be a bestiality gene or a pedophile gene.
Homosexuality hurts society as a whole. It spreads disease at a higher rate than any other sexual behavior. It destroys the fundamental and natural basis of human civilization.
Tell the lesbians homosexuality spreads disease faster.
But once again, what would make you DESIRE dick? I agree you could suck one or get fucked, but what would make you LOVE men, not women? Your "answers" still don't distinguish between behavior and attraction.
I'm not going there now, but there is a massive amount of evidence for a physiological basis to homosexuality; it's not black and white - sexuality is complex but genetics, prenatal and postnatal environment all matter.
If you have feelings for small children, yes you are correct that is not a choice, but raping them is, and it is wrong and harmful. That my friend is the difference between being gay and being a pedophile.
OHHH... so the pedophile's behavior is "immutable" just like the homosexual. Immutable just like race, nationality, and gender. Why didnt someone explain this to me sooner?
STOP... listen to yourself. You are already making an NAMBLA arguement. If one Orientation deserves legal protections... then they all do. 14th amendment right... you cant pick and choose.
The truth is ... Its a choice and you cant protect people for their choices in the constitution.
Attraction to children logically is not a choice; insofar as I can tell, I'm not a pedophile so I can't speak to that condition much.
But you keep confusing behavior and desire; behavior and orientation. You also confuse sex and sexuality; sex and affection; sex and social preference.
Good vlog, and a good message. I agree entirely. I hope that you will make more vlogs and we'll be seeing more of you in the future. Enjoy your trip to DC & hopefully bring us Youtubers back some good pictures.
Great video and you make a strong argument. You can't choose your sex nor your sexuality.
myp410up 1 year ago
Being Gay, straight, bisexual is more than just about have sex. Someone desire for the loneliness of someone of the same or opposite gender. They are more comfortable with the person of the opposite or same gender. The feel the need to comfort or love the person of the same or opposite gender. People base sexuality all about sex, and it is more than about sex, such as the attraction, caring, and the love u feel for the person of that gender.
uraine7626 3 years ago
I don't believe that homophobes are saying that gay people have directly chosen to be gay. They are saying that gay people have made so many immoral/distorted/perverted choices in their life...and that has warped their perspective so much that loving someone of the same sex seems natural. They think that gay people should repent their immoral/distorted/perverted choices that lead to being gay in an effort to cure themselves.
Note: I think this argument is absurd, but useful to understand
shmeric2007 3 years ago
First of all, immorality is an opinion of society, where it a sin or not depends on your beliefs and religion. The question would be is sexuality a choice? Genetics, Hormones, and etc all have it's flaws? Not saying anything wrong with genetics and hormones but don't everything fall the way you would think it should fall.
uraine7626 3 years ago
Excellent point. I don't think any woman would want a gay man trying really hard to have sex with them. I don't think any family member would want to see female family member forced to endure a marriage where the husband had to force himself to do something unpleasant - have sex.
garysdeskcom 3 years ago
I think the only "choice" available here is choosing to "act" straight -to appear to be someone you are not- to fit in or make your interactions with family easier.
I hear str8 people say a person becomes gay because of some influence (or lack of) when they were young. But ask them if they would be gay if raised in the same environment and they cannot imagine it.
carl6855 3 years ago
This is the way i see it. I think that straight people are the only ones that say gay people can choose to be gay or not, only because they haven't experienced it for themselves or they secretly have and they just say that stuff to appear to be straight around other people. What do you think? I do agree with you 100%.
Thank you for posting this topic. I am Bi so this is a great thing for me to talk about.
Silverblade57 3 years ago
im not sure if its a choice but i've always think that it depends on how you live you life since u are a kid and what things happend little details can make you growing up with the idea that u are atracted to ur own sex but thats what i think... i dont think anyone born beeing gay
linditatata 3 years ago
Wrong?
uraine7626 3 years ago
As I expected no one has an answer to my question, which is not "why would one choose to be gay" but "HOW would one execute such a choice?" It is a ridiculous idea. But for gay to be a 'choice' that is exactly what has to happen.
Phil49er 3 years ago
Follow closely. Anyone can suck dick. That's a choice. Wanting sex with men and not with women is not a choice. That is orientation, not behavior.
If I made a choice to BE gay, to find men attractive, then you must be able to make that choice too, right?
SO how would you do that? How would you change yourself so that the opposite sex no longer appeals to you and your own sex gets you hot?
Of course you cannot do that, there is not a first or fifth step to that end, and it is not a choice.
Phil49er 3 years ago
sure I can... I can condition myself to have sex with anything I want. I CHOOSE not to, because of my moral fortitude. I know it is wrong, unhealthy, unnatural, and perverse.
This is why people drift in and out of homosexuality and heterosexuality all the time... its a choice. I have a straight friend who started straight until he was 21, had strictly gay relationships until he was 30, and now he chose to be straight again... he is 34. Feel free to explain away....
jxwhit8 3 years ago
You are still describing behavior, not attraction orr orientation. What could you do to change your internal makeup to DESIRE sex with men and not with women? To fall in love with your own sex?
Those are not subject to choice. One can chose to have sex as you wish, many straight men have had sex with other men and even enjoyed it ...but that's not sexual orientation, it's sexual behavior.
Phil49er 3 years ago
Oh and it sounds to me like your friend is Bi and has decided to focus on women. But you have only described his behavior so I can't say what his fundamental desires are.
Phil49er 3 years ago
He bisexual, you can't say it a choice base on his sexuality, if he was gay he would be only with gays, and he was straight he would only be with straight
uraine7626 3 years ago
your arguement is similar those posed by Pedophiles. Further, the same arguement can be made by those who enjoy other perverse sexual activities like bestiality, paraphalia, masochism, sadism, and Frotteurism.
Since sexual behavior is not a choice, and immutable... then you clearly support these "minority" groups and want them to have special considerations... correct??
jxwhit8 3 years ago
I wonder if you even listened to it? I have no idea what you are talking about. Your comments are wholly unrelated to the discussion I offered/
I don't know what arguments pedophiles pose, though obviously you are much more familiar with them than I am. I didn't suggest anything about special considerations. I simply discussed the myth that being gay is a choice and proferred an expiriment to demonstrate the falsity of the idea to them.
I think you should go away and grow up. In that order.
Phil49er 3 years ago
your arguement sounded like.... you are gay, it is not a choice... if you are straight, imagine yourself trying to make a conscious choice to have anal sex and "liking dick" (your words).
If this is not your arguement... then I totally misunderstood.
If it is your arguement, then it is the same arguement that other people use to defend their abnormal sexual behavior.
If being gay is not a choice.. your experiment should be centered around finding the illusive gay gene.
I think you chose gay
jxwhit8 3 years ago
And I want to clearly contest the interpretation that I said "sexual behavior is not a choice". I said sexual ORIENTATION is not a choice.
Phil49er 3 years ago
The other "minority" groups with sexual confusion would also argue their sexual behavior is their "orientation" or "identity" or whatever. Again... the burden of proof falls on you. Is their a blood test, spinal tap, dna test that identifies you as "gay". There is not. Therefore your behavior is not a trait and is certainly not immutable. This is why people drift in and out of homo and heterosexuality. Sorry man... the evidence is stacked against you. Your "orientation" is your choice.
jxwhit8 3 years ago
Nobody's orientation is a choice. However, how would it be relevant? Whether someone chose to be gay or didn't choose it, but was, they still should get equal rights under the law.
drewj1969 3 years ago
PROVE IT.
your arguement is people should be protected for the choices they make. Where in the constitution does it guarantee equality due to "choices"? Take a civics class.
jxwhit8 3 years ago
It's a stupid debate. Sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Come on. Think logically. NOBODY would ever choose to be part of an oppressed minority. People reveal that they are gay because they know it is not possible for them to truly be heterosexual. So their only choice is do they hide it or admit to it? Hiding it leads to an unfulfilling and disrespectful lonely life. Admiting it can lead to commited, monogamous, life long marriage.
drewj1969 3 years ago
PROVE IT... nobody is going to take your word for it. After a century of research and billions of dollars... homosexuality remains a choice.
why do people change their so called "orientation" all the time?
Choices have consequences... in this case, you can marry someone of the same gender (thank goodness).
jxwhit8 3 years ago
It's just simple logic. Why do you so strongly disagree with something (gay marriage) that has nothing, but positive consequences?
drewj1969 3 years ago
I have maintained my orientation since childhood. I have not known a single person who has changed their orientation.
cryingsoftly 2 years ago
You weren't listening. Sexual ORIENTATION is not a choice, sexual BEHAVIOR is a choice. You have a twisted view of homosexuality. It is not a perversion, it is a normal part of nature for a minority of people.
drewj1969 3 years ago
You need it to be normal, you want it to be normal, so that homosexuals arent viewed as "abnormal" or perverse. Just because you say its normal doesnt make it normal. Homosexuality is an anomaly in sexual confusion, caused by environmental conditions, encouragement from mother or father figures, and choices to pursue a very unhealthy, flamboyant, and perverse lifestyle. There is NO gay gene that causes this, so you can not blame it on physiology or nature.
jxwhit8 3 years ago
You are an idiot, sexual orientation, fetishes, etc. None of these or what you listed are choices. You are true in that respect, but! Being homosexual doesn't hurt anyone, pedophiles go out and rape young children who, biologically, are not meant to have sex with anyone and can therefore psychologically damage them for life. Its very simple, being gay is not a choice, chosing to act on these feelings is. But being gay doesnt hurt anyone so there is nothing wrong with it.
desotzac 3 years ago
I am an idiot... because.....???
Name calling is mature, you must be losing your arguement.
PROVE IT... prove orientation, behavior, fetishes, etc are not a choice. Where is the S&M gene? There must be a bestiality gene or a pedophile gene.
Homosexuality hurts society as a whole. It spreads disease at a higher rate than any other sexual behavior. It destroys the fundamental and natural basis of human civilization.
jxwhit8 3 years ago
Tell the lesbians homosexuality spreads disease faster.
But once again, what would make you DESIRE dick? I agree you could suck one or get fucked, but what would make you LOVE men, not women? Your "answers" still don't distinguish between behavior and attraction.
I'm not going there now, but there is a massive amount of evidence for a physiological basis to homosexuality; it's not black and white - sexuality is complex but genetics, prenatal and postnatal environment all matter.
Phil49er 3 years ago
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unoalice11 3 years ago
If you have feelings for small children, yes you are correct that is not a choice, but raping them is, and it is wrong and harmful. That my friend is the difference between being gay and being a pedophile.
desotzac 3 years ago
OHHH... so the pedophile's behavior is "immutable" just like the homosexual. Immutable just like race, nationality, and gender. Why didnt someone explain this to me sooner?
STOP... listen to yourself. You are already making an NAMBLA arguement. If one Orientation deserves legal protections... then they all do. 14th amendment right... you cant pick and choose.
The truth is ... Its a choice and you cant protect people for their choices in the constitution.
jxwhit8 3 years ago
"...the pedophile's behavior is immutable..."
BEHAVIOR is a choice and behavior is mutable.
Attraction to children logically is not a choice; insofar as I can tell, I'm not a pedophile so I can't speak to that condition much.
But you keep confusing behavior and desire; behavior and orientation. You also confuse sex and sexuality; sex and affection; sex and social preference.
Phil49er 3 years ago
Good vlog, and a good message. I agree entirely. I hope that you will make more vlogs and we'll be seeing more of you in the future. Enjoy your trip to DC & hopefully bring us Youtubers back some good pictures.
sdh963 3 years ago
Gay Rights Forever! Im subscribing
benswrath 3 years ago
Thanks! :)
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