Where did you learn Latin? Do you really expect everyone to accept that 'in persona Christi' actually means 'in the presence of Christ'? Didn't you consider the possibility that some of us understand the language? That's just plain lazy; like the rest of your thinking.
@harveytg I have no idea what you're alluding to. "In persona Christi" translates into, "In the person of Christ," not the "presence!" Sheesh! Nowhere in this thread have I written, "In the presence of Christ."
@catholicmilitant Sorry for the misunderstanding. My comments were directed at Sister MeMeMe. In this clip she both mispronounces and mistranslates the Latin phrase 'in persona Christi'. It's probably due to ignorance rather than a deliberate deception. You and I are in agreement.
the so called ordinations are NOT valid in any way whatsoever... U R right, obedience to the Holy See is not being displayed here and there is no proof of women being ordained anywhere in the "early days" as she claims.
The reason the Vatican will not ordain women is because they cant. There is no evidence in sacred Traditions or documents to support the ordination of Women. The Vatican submit only to the Authority of Christ and cannot change any Law which God have set. But that is not to say that women in the Church are segregated, look at the Saints and you will find a lot of women Saints, not to mention the highest of all Saints was a woman, Our Holy Mother Mary.
Just because Jesus didn't ordain women, to me, that doesn't Christians today can't change their minds and do what's right for them. It is just plain silly to say some people are automatically excluded from ordination just because they are women. Everything priests do as priests women can do just as well as men. It is a sill waste of talent to not ordain them.
@catholicmilitant Yes, the Church DOES have the right to ordain women. The rule restricting it to men is a man made doctrine written by men, for men.
@bearnurse1 out of curiosity, exactly which "rule" are you referring to? Where is it found? Who made it up? When was it ratified? ....Uhuh...I thought so. No such thing. If you wish to debate with me, please cough up solid facts and stop making them up out of thin air!
@catholicmilitant Which universe are you living in? The Roman Catholic Church says women cannot be ordained to the priesthood. Sounds to me like there is a rule against ordaining women. If there isn't a rule against ordaining women why can't they be ordained???? HMMMM?
1. There aren’t many issues within apologetics that require as much sensitivity as this one. In a culture where opening the door for a woman can be seen as an act of misogyny, it’s no surprise that male-only ordination strikes some as sexist on the Church’s behalf.
2. It can’t be denied that there are women who could be more moving orators than some priests and provide more consolation within the confessional. But the debate over ordination is not over who could be a better priest but over who could be a priest at all.
3. So, if a woman’s abilities are not in question, what’s keeping the Church from ordaining her? For one, it should be noted that Jesus did not ordain any women. He selected all of his apostles, and none were women.
5. Some say that he was bound by the cultural norms of his era to suppress the roles of women, but no one has been able to prove that this was his motive. Furthermore, this accuses Jesus of sexism and it paints an inaccurate portrait of Christ, who had no qualms about shattering the cultural norms regarding...
6. ...interaction with women (Matt. 9:20; Luke 7:37; John 4:27). The idea of priestesses was not unknown to him, since it was a common practice in religions of his time and culture, though not Judaism. (If Jesus had wanted women as priestesses, he would have had the ideal candidate in Mary. Here was a woman who could have spoken the words of consecration literally: "This is my body. This is my blood.")
7. There were other roles that Christ had in mind for women. For example, they played a key role in the spread of the Gospel, being the first to spread the news of the risen Christ. They were also allowed to pray and prophecy in church (1 Cor. 11:1–16), but they were not to assume the function of teaching in the Christian assembly (1Cor. 14:34–38; 1 Tim. 2:1–14), which was restricted to the clergy.
8. Two thousand years later, no one—including the pope—has the authority to change the designs of the Church that Christ instituted. Specifically, the Church is unable to change the substance of a sacrament. For example, a person cannot be baptized in wine, nor may a substance other than bread be used for the consecration at Mass. If invalid matter is used,
9. then the sacrament does not take place. Likewise, since the priest acts in the person of Christ, the Church has no authority to confer the sacrament on those who are unable to represent the male Jesus Christ.
10. If the Church allowed the ordination of women, there could very well be more ordinations that take place. However, these wouldn’t aid the Church because the ordinations wouldn’t be valid. So, invalid ordinations are not the solution to the "vocations crisis" that we hear so much about.
11. But is there a crisis at all? In so many words, the Vatican has declared that the vocations crisis is over. Figures from the Church’s Statistic Yearbook for 1997 were given in a June 4, 2000 Zenit News Agency report, which stated, "In 1978 there were 63,882 seminarians; at present there are 108,517, ...
12. an increase of 69.87 percent. The increase in Africa and Asia, in fact, is incredible. Over the last twenty years, these two continents have seen an increase of 238.50 percent and 124.01 percent, respectively." Over the past twenty years, vocations have increased in every continent around the globe. In America, the number of seminarians has increased from 22,011 to 35,000 in the last two decades.
3. Didn’t Paul say that there is neither Jew nor Greek, servant nor free, male nor female, since we are all in Christ? So why should our gender matter to God? We should all have equal rights.
14. Whenever a verse is paraphrased to defend a particular position, take the time to find that passage and read it in context. When Paul wrote about there being neither male nor female in Christ (Gal. 3:28), he is discussing our justification through faith, not our roles in the Church.
15. Even in 1 Corinthians 12, when Paul speaks about there being Jews, Greeks, slaves, and free being baptized into the one body of Christ, he mentions that within this one body, there are different parts:
16. "There are varieties of service, but the same Lord . . . All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. . . . If the foot should say,
17. ‘Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,’ that would not make it any less a part of the body. . . . If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell?
18. But as it is, God arranged the organs in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single organ, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body. . . . Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles . . . Are all apostles?" (1 Cor. 12:5–29).
19. So, while Paul acknowledges the universality of God’s plan for salvation, he’s clear that there are different roles within the body of Christ. Men and woman are equal in the eyes of God, but this equality is not synonymous with sameness.
20. They play different roles within the Church, as there are different instruments within an orchestra. Just as the instruments are arranged for a symphony, God has "arranged the organs of the body" (1 Cor. 12:18), and we are not to reconstruct the design that he has established.
21. Since God is the one who has appointed the different roles within the Church, no one can claim a right to any position within the body of Christ. This is especially the case with sacraments.
22. No one—male or female—has a "right" to be a priest. It is not like a governmental office that anyone can run for. It is a sacrament, and no one has a title to grace. It is an unmerited gift from Christ.
23. This may strike some as unfair, but realize that God has given women other gifts that he has not given to men. For example, women bring the body of Christ (souls) into the world one birth at a time.
24. Men do not have this privilege. Priests bring the body of Christ (Eucharist) into the world one Mass at a time—a gift reserved to them, acting in the person of Christ.
The Church has never ordained women and never will because Jesus Christ has guided his Church and kept her free from such a sacrilege against the sacrament of Holy Orders.
Th Holy Spirit says no to this sort of sad distortion of the sacrament Jesus founded and will continue to teach that the priesthood is reserved, for reasons known entirely only by God, to men only.
These women have excommunicated themselves and are not priests, nor will they ever be.
Clearly she wants to glorify herself to show the world that she can do the same job. She is definitely not a Catholic because she is not in union with the Catholic church.
She has just started her own church and it won't be long before she starts teaching her own gospel to those who choose to follow her.
Woman priests are theologically impossible. Christ is the bridegroom, the church is the bride. Acting in persona christi, how can a woman have the church as her bride? Furthermore, her claim of ordained woman in the early church is not true. It is true that there were deaconesses but they weren't ordained. Obedience to the church is a a very beautiful gift. It's a shame that she has thrown this away.
There is simply no logic to calling oneself a priest and not being in communion with the rest of your church! This is tainted theology at its most tainted! To say nothing of her liturgy in this video!
.. and is that a chiffon scarf she is wearing instead of a stole???
Ok, here is the thing, After Second Vatican Counsel so much got twisted and miss understood about what the true meaning of the counsel was about. It did not say get ride of Latin all together in the mass, It did not say to get rid of sacred music and replace it with this "Contemporary Music" crap, i could go on and on, but let me get to my point, ever since VC2, I am not saying it was bad, some Bishops and Priest wanted to do there own thing in U.S. so then they started telling people
@Godislove505 I AM saying Vatican II was not only bad, but a disaster. This is part of its rotten fruit. The modernism and ambiguity of Vatican II made all of this possible. See:
Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Marcel Lefebvre
Get it free as part of the New to Tradition Kit on the sspx site.
@ominoreg If she doesn't give a crap about the authority of Rome, then I doubt she gives a crap about whether she's observing proper protocol during her blasphomous rites.
@ominoreg my thoughts too...attempted consecration. And it wasn't just her, notice how she had everyone join in the prayer of (attempted) consecration.
People "protesting" what the Church teaches is nothing new. The teaching authority of the Church is such a gift. Without it, stuff like this doesn't last long (thank God).
Here on the Internet does anyone have the physical presence of a man? No, you are your own word and the nature of yourself is portrayed by that word. Thus, in word you are naked, so you must love all as He did. If you are in Christ then you are like-minded with anyone else who is. and this is what God wants of us.
Serious question please. Jesus had a gender (male). He also had a religion (Jewish), a race (middle eastern) and an age (early thirties). Why is it mandatory for a priest to have one of these traits to stand in the place of Christ, but not the others?
religion, "race" and age are not indicators of a sacramental character. Look back at the book of Genesis, men and woman are created with separate roles and abilities- the masculine is a God-made distinction between the sexes and it is a sacramental one which affects the ability of a person to act as Christ. Also Jesus never appointed any woman priests, Paul condemned it and the early Church councils said it was impossible to ordain them.
In persona christi does not translate to "in the presence of Christ." Persona, personae, means mask, characater, or person. It does not mean "presence."
These women who claim to be "priests" or "called to the priesthood" refuse to listen to the clear unambiguous voice of the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the Catholic Church.
They should read Inter Insigniores and Ordinatio Sacerdotalis and understand why Jesus chose only men for the sacramental priesthood.
They are sad and delusional and they are wasting their time doing exactly what the Holy Spirit has not called them to do for the sake of the gospel.
even if someone disagrees with the Roman Catholic Church's position on women's ordination they must still be obedient. She is not being obedient so WHY is she still calling herself ROMAN catholic when she so clearly disagrees with ROME
"Dissent under cetain conditions can be interna, which is permissible; or it may be public, which is not permissible, expecially on mainline issues, like sexual morality.
The reason why public dissent by any Roman Catholic, but ESPECIALLY BY PASTORS and theologians, is wrong is that it confuses others while showing disrespect to the Magisterium, whose duty it is to teach authoritatively in the name of Christ."
Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.
Bridget Mary Meehan is now a "Bishop" in the Roman Catholic Women "Priests" movement. She was ordained with 3 other "Priests". This is the exact oppostie of the consercration of the 4 Bishops by Lefevbre.
And where do you get off stating that women are not so easily brought down by sexual temptation??? Are you blind to whats going on? Not a week goes by where there isn't a story in the papers about women sexually assaulting, raping, drugging to seduce, little boys! Wake up lady!
You are being ridiculous. I assume that you are literate enough and concerned enough to read the papers yourself. As for the second part of your comment, I won't give it any sort of dignity by attempting to explain. If you're truly interested, take a theology class or two on the glorification of God.
Frankly it does not matter to me whom I speak to, but what does matter to me is what I say to that person. As long as I maintain my integrity and know that I am not misleading the person to whom my comments are directed, that is all that matters. You could come from Vermont, you could be involved in government, you could be one of those silly phony femipriestesses, you could be my next door neighbor. None of that figures into what I say or write in the least.
So what's you point? A veiled threat perhaps? A pointless blah blah blah "warning" of some sort? A lecture against my supposed insensitivity? Truth is truth. Everything else is bull....!
Always nice talking whether we agree or disagree. If you laugh at me, I offer it up for your conversion keeping always in mind that they laughed at jesus, and did worse than that for my, and your, sakes. Good women are full of love and compassion just like good men, but they cannot be priests nor will they ever be able to do so. It is not part of God's plan for our salvation. Women have their place as do men. These differ although they are both of equal value.
Not for nothing, but since when is disobedience a virtue? These femipriestesses are directly disobeying Holy Mother Church and putting their needs above the command of the Almighty through His Church. They mock the Church and this does not make God happy. But it does make happy another. You comfortable with that?
HERE LIES THE PROBLEM, OUT OF YOUR OWN MOUTH JOY! You "interpret" the Will of God! That is truly the Protestant way and NOT the Catholic way. We have the Church and her magisterium and her tradition stretching back 2000 years to give us the correct interpretation of God's Will.
How very dispiriting to see this poor woman who has been cheated, has had her very soul stolen from her grasp. How could anyone in their right mind sit in front of a camera and claim that "in persona Christi" is correctly translated as anything but "in the person of Christ"?
What she did was tell herself and us a comforting lie, and it hurts to see an otherwise gentle and kindly woman destroy her soul in this way.
CDRphoenix, you are clearly ignorant of scripture and history. Read Mt Ch 16. All your answers can be found here. Some facts: Jesus founded his Church on Peter and promised to send the H.Spirit which would guide the Church into ALL TRUTH. Your fight is with Christ, not the Church. Dont shoot the messanger. Why not give thinking a go this year. make it a kind of New Years Resolutions. That might prevent you sounding like an ignorant and bitter 12 year old. Repent and retur to the true Faith.
What can I add to the many reasonable, logical, theologically accurate comments found here already? In 50 million years there will still be NO WOMEN CATHOLIC PRIESTS. Then again I might petition Pope Benedict to give men the right to have babies. Yep, Im sure he has that power too. I mean we are all equal are we not? So thats final. I want a baby. Now I expect a little opposition from this baby-having-man-hating church, but if all you wmen support my cause it should be ok. Shouldn't it????
You have a very twisted conception of what it means to be equal. ...actually a very twisted view of reality in general, but that's between you and your shrink.
Try asking a reqasonable question, and perhaps you will get an answer. Such willful ignorance as you display serves no purpose but to get people angry ... but then that seems to be your goal.
When a man is ordained to the Roman Catholic priesthood he is married to MOTHER Church. Priestly ordination allows the male gender to anthropologically complement the female nature of the church by sacramental means. If the Church allowed women ordinations, it would not only violate the gender compatibility of human beings in nature, moreover, it would mean that the Roman Catholic Church condones homosexuality. Since the Church is obviously against homosexuality, women ordinations are invalid!
The Church is not an inanimate organization....it is a living body. Christ is the bridegoom, the head of the body...A priest becomes in persona Christi and therefore is seen as Christ in this sacramental union. I believe this is mentioned in the letter of St. Paul to the Ephesians.
Ah. I haven't gotten past the old testament yet so I haven't managed to read Paul's letters. It always confusing me how some christians take parts of the bible to be literal, and others to be metaphorical, without giving a solid basis for the difference in interpretations...I always thought no women priest thing was because women weren't allowed to have authority over men / speak in church. *shrug*
The New Testament fulfills the prophecies of the Old Testament, a completeness of truth. I'm not too sure what you are implying with the whole male dominance thing. St. Theresa of Avila, St. Hildegarde of Bingen, St. Joan of Arc, ect....are holy women who spoke with great volume. I slightly agree with you on the literal and metaphorical interpretations of the bible, however, for reasons stated by yourself is why the Magisterum of the Catholic Church exists. I invite you to look more into it.
With the women thing, I'm referring to some quotes I was debating in 1 Timothy 2: 11 and 12, where it says: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." and "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." I eavesdrop on internet debates, and it generally turns into a scripture war, lol. There's some pretty..."obnoxious" scriptures. And I'm slowly looking into the bible- it's right beside the Book of Mormon and the Koran on my shelf. XD
lol..Its interesting what you will find, especially in Leviticus. I do have to admit though that some women in the church have a problem picturing God with a set of testicles. It is sad that some women religious want more power...power....power...when being meek and humble will grant you the kingdom of heaven.
That's where I'm a little different- I don't understand why women would join a religion if they don't embrace all the parts of that religion. ie, like the people in this video- according to Catholicism, women can't be priests. End of story. So if you want to belong to a religion where the omnipotent creator is referred to with male pronouns but have a problem with a male deity... I dunno, maybe it's just me.
I agree my friend. People do crazy things when they are uncomfortable with reality. Usually they escape from reality and relatively pursue truth within the confines of their own mind. This video is an example of an unhinged mind.
"It always confusing me how some christians take parts of the bible to be literal, and others to be metaphorical, without giving a solid basis for the difference in interpretations..."
Your confusion lies in lack of study. Look closer. There is very solid basis for such interpretation. Frankly, it's confusing to me why one should expect such a work to be entirely literal. Why would you expect that to be the case?
I disagree. If that were the case, anyone who has studied the bible for any length of time would come to the same conclusion- which is not happening. This is evident in the sheer number of varying denominations of christianity; if everyone who studied it ended up interpreting it the same, there would be no such confusion. So why don't you give me the secret of how to tell which passages are meant to be taken literally and which passages are not?
"So why don't you give me the secret of how to tell which passages are meant to be taken literally and which passages are not?"
You fool, why don't you actually read before replying. If this is an honest question, the answer is simple and it's no secret. I can recommend a number of good books for you to begin your studies
//You fool, why don't you actually read before replying.//
I did read before replying. I even quoted something you had said so that I could argue against it. You TOLD ME "There is a very solid basis for interpretation." I asked you what it was. You called me a fool. Are you a sophisticated troll?
"If that were the case, anyone who has studied the bible for any length of time would come to the same conclusion- which is not happening. This is evident in the sheer number of varying denominations of christianity"
Again, you're confused here. You are close to a couple of valid statements, but you draw incorrect inferences and conclusions. Your comment regarding anyone who has studied the Bible for any length of time, however, is patently ludicrous.
//Your comment regarding anyone who has studied the Bible for any length of time, however, is patently ludicrous. //
No it's not. According to the United Nations there's over 23 000 denominations of christianity- they all believe slightly different, but all of them follow the bible. So you tell me how there came to be all these different denominations who take away a different interpretation of the bible if, as you say, "There is a solid basis for interpretation."
The only thing you've done is insult me and insult my words. You haven't intelligently addressed any of my points, aside from your insults. So why should I answer any of your questions, if the only kind of discourse you're capable of is sitting back and labeling me as a fool and my words as ludicrous? I'm almost certain you're a troll now.
um...wow. around my houyse theres a woman priest and she actually brought her dog into the church. i was offended. plus woman arent suppose to be priests.
i dont understand something about the catholic church. why is the wine in a cup and then after someone is done using it they just wipe a rag on it. it doesnt do anything. the jerms are still there
The woman around your house is not a consecrated priest, but a poor soul living in a fantasy. Women cannot be Catholic priests, period. Your second paragraph indicates a complete lack of understanding with regard to the holy sacrifice of the Mass. As happened during the Last Supper, the wine becomes the blood of Christ and the bread becomes the body of Christ. Each priest has their own chalice and it is cleaned after the offertory. Water is used and the cleaning is complete. No germs....
well, thats not what we do in my church. thats only what im saying. my dad makes the communion and puts some wine on it breaking it up into pieces and puts it into the peoples mouths without touching there mouths though. thats just what i was saying. ive never been part of the catholic church. im an armenian orthodox
Your dad does not "make" the communion - he consecrates it. Although the Roman Catholic church does not consider your sacraments to be licit, there are still valid, and that bread and wine are the body and blood of Jesus. As for your questions on the validity of that woman who calls herself a priest and your questions on homosexuality, I defer to the head of your church, His Holiness Karekin II, Supreme Patriarch and Catholicos of All Armenians...
For them, priest or priestess still means the same thing = NOTHING. They have no Holy Orders - they have no Mark on their Souls except the black marks left by the sins of disobedience and pride and lack of humility. These marks do not attract God. But, they do attract someone else. :(
"Dressing up and parroting the words has the same effect on bread and wine as a waving a magic wand." That's true whether you're a man, a woman or a kangaroo. It's true whether you're an ordained priest or a certified plumber. I mean, do adults really believe in this "transubstantiation" bullshit? The Eucharist is nothing more than pagan symbolic ritual cannibalism in Christian drag.
Just like actors pretending to play a role. Feminist, lesbian, bitter, man haters. There is NO ordination for women! Sorry, thats life. Dressing up and parroting the words has the same effect on bread and wine as a waving a magic wand. NOTHING. Just one tip: dont hold your breathe waiting for transubstantiation you idiots. Get home and beg God for mercy for rebelling against His Bride, the Church.
Well, being that you do not believe in the Bible according to your own word, what do you care about the reasons? Or is the truth that you actually do believe but try to supress the truth as do all militant homosexuals?
I can very much explain much to you, but there is no point in doing so as your hostility to the church, which comes through loud and clear, will blind you to anything I have to share. I will tell you one thing - everything Catholics believe has it's roots in scripture and the historical church (tradition.)
Well the fact that Jesus and his twelve Apostles were all male plays the main factor. It has nothing to do with sexism, although it may easily be confused as that. I mean after all, Catholics are the ones who honor and venerate Mary due to her mothering Christ and the church. We see a vital role for women. Men and women have obvious differences, physical, emotional etc. And just as they are different in those ways, their roles in the Church are different. Do you understand what I'm saying?
i'll pray for the Blessed Virgin to clobber the knuckeheaded bishops in the head with a two by four. If we had Women priests when i was sexually abused by FR. BUTCH then i could have had one humane ear to speak to about it sooner before it destroyed my life,Not my faith! We the Abused ARE the CROSS of CHRIST in your midst and all our sufferings are the same as His. But your carnal parochial pride is the devils own rose colored sunglasses. THIS IS OUR WITNESS WITH CHRIST TO YOU PROUD CATHOLIC PAX
Steven, I assume that either you do not read the newspapers or you are purposefully blinding yourself to the fact that women abuse little boys also! Are you not aware of all the public school teachers going to jail for raping young boys lately? Fr. Butch was ONE man, not representative of the church. HE is the one who abused you and should be castrated, not the church. You, the abused, and I include myself in that group, are NOT the cross of Christ.
Women priests were part of the original Christian community prior to Constantine when they headed the Home Churches. Read Acts. The argument that Jesus was a man therefore a priest must be a man makes no sense. Why have so many women received the stigmata if God had a problem with it?
Dude, your comments are so very shallow and frankly, I've not the time nor inclination to go into the rather simple logic and theology required to comprehend salvation to the extent of our limited capacities as humans. If you are interested in the truths which Catholicism proclaims, find a good orthodox priest to have your questions answered. DON'T go to the liberal cretins posing as priests...find an orthodox one. Easy to tell them apart. Liberal preaches easy way. Orthodox - the narrow path.
heretical* women, not Roman Catholic women, thank you
bniagara 8 months ago
Where did you learn Latin? Do you really expect everyone to accept that 'in persona Christi' actually means 'in the presence of Christ'? Didn't you consider the possibility that some of us understand the language? That's just plain lazy; like the rest of your thinking.
harveytg 11 months ago
@harveytg I have no idea what you're alluding to. "In persona Christi" translates into, "In the person of Christ," not the "presence!" Sheesh! Nowhere in this thread have I written, "In the presence of Christ."
catholicmilitant 11 months ago
@catholicmilitant Sorry for the misunderstanding. My comments were directed at Sister MeMeMe. In this clip she both mispronounces and mistranslates the Latin phrase 'in persona Christi'. It's probably due to ignorance rather than a deliberate deception. You and I are in agreement.
harveytg 11 months ago
the so called ordinations are NOT valid in any way whatsoever... U R right, obedience to the Holy See is not being displayed here and there is no proof of women being ordained anywhere in the "early days" as she claims.
timflo3 1 year ago
not in union with Peter. not a catholic
mgthesixth 1 year ago 2
y not call yourself Martians?
singapore7773 1 year ago
The reason the Vatican will not ordain women is because they cant. There is no evidence in sacred Traditions or documents to support the ordination of Women. The Vatican submit only to the Authority of Christ and cannot change any Law which God have set. But that is not to say that women in the Church are segregated, look at the Saints and you will find a lot of women Saints, not to mention the highest of all Saints was a woman, Our Holy Mother Mary.
rytsign69 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1 we all have to obey.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
Just because Jesus didn't ordain women, to me, that doesn't Christians today can't change their minds and do what's right for them. It is just plain silly to say some people are automatically excluded from ordination just because they are women. Everything priests do as priests women can do just as well as men. It is a sill waste of talent to not ordain them.
bearnurse1 1 year ago
@bearnurse1 it's not about what we want to do or not to do. The Church has NOT the power or right to ordain women. That's the bottom line.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
@catholicmilitant Yes, the Church DOES have the right to ordain women. The rule restricting it to men is a man made doctrine written by men, for men.
bearnurse1 1 year ago
@bearnurse1 out of curiosity, exactly which "rule" are you referring to? Where is it found? Who made it up? When was it ratified? ....Uhuh...I thought so. No such thing. If you wish to debate with me, please cough up solid facts and stop making them up out of thin air!
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
@catholicmilitant Which universe are you living in? The Roman Catholic Church says women cannot be ordained to the priesthood. Sounds to me like there is a rule against ordaining women. If there isn't a rule against ordaining women why can't they be ordained???? HMMMM?
bearnurse1 1 year ago
@bearnurse1
1. There aren’t many issues within apologetics that require as much sensitivity as this one. In a culture where opening the door for a woman can be seen as an act of misogyny, it’s no surprise that male-only ordination strikes some as sexist on the Church’s behalf.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
2. It can’t be denied that there are women who could be more moving orators than some priests and provide more consolation within the confessional. But the debate over ordination is not over who could be a better priest but over who could be a priest at all.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
3. So, if a woman’s abilities are not in question, what’s keeping the Church from ordaining her? For one, it should be noted that Jesus did not ordain any women. He selected all of his apostles, and none were women.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
5. Some say that he was bound by the cultural norms of his era to suppress the roles of women, but no one has been able to prove that this was his motive. Furthermore, this accuses Jesus of sexism and it paints an inaccurate portrait of Christ, who had no qualms about shattering the cultural norms regarding...
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
6. ...interaction with women (Matt. 9:20; Luke 7:37; John 4:27). The idea of priestesses was not unknown to him, since it was a common practice in religions of his time and culture, though not Judaism. (If Jesus had wanted women as priestesses, he would have had the ideal candidate in Mary. Here was a woman who could have spoken the words of consecration literally: "This is my body. This is my blood.")
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
7. There were other roles that Christ had in mind for women. For example, they played a key role in the spread of the Gospel, being the first to spread the news of the risen Christ. They were also allowed to pray and prophecy in church (1 Cor. 11:1–16), but they were not to assume the function of teaching in the Christian assembly (1Cor. 14:34–38; 1 Tim. 2:1–14), which was restricted to the clergy.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
8. Two thousand years later, no one—including the pope—has the authority to change the designs of the Church that Christ instituted. Specifically, the Church is unable to change the substance of a sacrament. For example, a person cannot be baptized in wine, nor may a substance other than bread be used for the consecration at Mass. If invalid matter is used,
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
9. then the sacrament does not take place. Likewise, since the priest acts in the person of Christ, the Church has no authority to confer the sacrament on those who are unable to represent the male Jesus Christ.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
10. If the Church allowed the ordination of women, there could very well be more ordinations that take place. However, these wouldn’t aid the Church because the ordinations wouldn’t be valid. So, invalid ordinations are not the solution to the "vocations crisis" that we hear so much about.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
11. But is there a crisis at all? In so many words, the Vatican has declared that the vocations crisis is over. Figures from the Church’s Statistic Yearbook for 1997 were given in a June 4, 2000 Zenit News Agency report, which stated, "In 1978 there were 63,882 seminarians; at present there are 108,517, ...
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
12. an increase of 69.87 percent. The increase in Africa and Asia, in fact, is incredible. Over the last twenty years, these two continents have seen an increase of 238.50 percent and 124.01 percent, respectively." Over the past twenty years, vocations have increased in every continent around the globe. In America, the number of seminarians has increased from 22,011 to 35,000 in the last two decades.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
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3. Didn’t Paul say that there is neither Jew nor Greek, servant nor free, male nor female, since we are all in Christ? So why should our gender matter to God? We should all have equal rights.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
14. Whenever a verse is paraphrased to defend a particular position, take the time to find that passage and read it in context. When Paul wrote about there being neither male nor female in Christ (Gal. 3:28), he is discussing our justification through faith, not our roles in the Church.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
15. Even in 1 Corinthians 12, when Paul speaks about there being Jews, Greeks, slaves, and free being baptized into the one body of Christ, he mentions that within this one body, there are different parts:
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
16. "There are varieties of service, but the same Lord . . . All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. . . . If the foot should say,
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
17. ‘Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,’ that would not make it any less a part of the body. . . . If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell?
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
18. But as it is, God arranged the organs in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single organ, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body. . . . Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles . . . Are all apostles?" (1 Cor. 12:5–29).
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
19. So, while Paul acknowledges the universality of God’s plan for salvation, he’s clear that there are different roles within the body of Christ. Men and woman are equal in the eyes of God, but this equality is not synonymous with sameness.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
20. They play different roles within the Church, as there are different instruments within an orchestra. Just as the instruments are arranged for a symphony, God has "arranged the organs of the body" (1 Cor. 12:18), and we are not to reconstruct the design that he has established.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
21. Since God is the one who has appointed the different roles within the Church, no one can claim a right to any position within the body of Christ. This is especially the case with sacraments.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
22. No one—male or female—has a "right" to be a priest. It is not like a governmental office that anyone can run for. It is a sacrament, and no one has a title to grace. It is an unmerited gift from Christ.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
23. This may strike some as unfair, but realize that God has given women other gifts that he has not given to men. For example, women bring the body of Christ (souls) into the world one birth at a time.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
24. Men do not have this privilege. Priests bring the body of Christ (Eucharist) into the world one Mass at a time—a gift reserved to them, acting in the person of Christ.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
bearnurse1
The Church has never ordained women and never will because Jesus Christ has guided his Church and kept her free from such a sacrilege against the sacrament of Holy Orders.
Th Holy Spirit says no to this sort of sad distortion of the sacrament Jesus founded and will continue to teach that the priesthood is reserved, for reasons known entirely only by God, to men only.
These women have excommunicated themselves and are not priests, nor will they ever be.
petruscephas 1 year ago
Clearly she wants to glorify herself to show the world that she can do the same job. She is definitely not a Catholic because she is not in union with the Catholic church.
She has just started her own church and it won't be long before she starts teaching her own gospel to those who choose to follow her.
ebolingUtube 1 year ago
Woman priests are theologically impossible. Christ is the bridegroom, the church is the bride. Acting in persona christi, how can a woman have the church as her bride? Furthermore, her claim of ordained woman in the early church is not true. It is true that there were deaconesses but they weren't ordained. Obedience to the church is a a very beautiful gift. It's a shame that she has thrown this away.
miketom777 1 year ago
Only an heretic woman would use a scarf as a stole. She has no shame.
sfowatcher 1 year ago
Our sect is growing! We had 12 people last year and this year we have 17! Look out Catholic Church were right on your heels!
Childinfaith 1 year ago
@Childinfaith poor lady - you live in a fantasy.
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
Sect is right!
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
persona does not mean presence!!!!
kfrb1 1 year ago
Notice that they're all pathetic '60s dinosaurs. No need to worry, friends. This cancerous Vatican II generation is dying off. The sooner the better.
Jitpring 1 year ago
There is simply no logic to calling oneself a priest and not being in communion with the rest of your church! This is tainted theology at its most tainted! To say nothing of her liturgy in this video!
.. and is that a chiffon scarf she is wearing instead of a stole???
musicorganman 1 year ago
These poor misguided women, how very sad.
prierias 1 year ago
A woman can't be a priest!
It is a blasphemy!
Women will never be priest in our Orthodox Church! Never! Never!
orthodoxchristian707 1 year ago
@orthodoxchristian707 I applaud your zeal, keep it up!
cyberslayer002 1 year ago
Ok, here is the thing, After Second Vatican Counsel so much got twisted and miss understood about what the true meaning of the counsel was about. It did not say get ride of Latin all together in the mass, It did not say to get rid of sacred music and replace it with this "Contemporary Music" crap, i could go on and on, but let me get to my point, ever since VC2, I am not saying it was bad, some Bishops and Priest wanted to do there own thing in U.S. so then they started telling people
Godislove505 1 year ago
@Godislove505 I AM saying Vatican II was not only bad, but a disaster. This is part of its rotten fruit. The modernism and ambiguity of Vatican II made all of this possible. See:
Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Marcel Lefebvre
Get it free as part of the New to Tradition Kit on the sspx site.
Jitpring 1 year ago
Seriously? she consecrated bread and wine on top of a coffee table, while sitting!
ominoreg 1 year ago
@ominoreg If she doesn't give a crap about the authority of Rome, then I doubt she gives a crap about whether she's observing proper protocol during her blasphomous rites.
cyberslayer002 1 year ago
@ominoreg my thoughts too...attempted consecration. And it wasn't just her, notice how she had everyone join in the prayer of (attempted) consecration.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
People "protesting" what the Church teaches is nothing new. The teaching authority of the Church is such a gift. Without it, stuff like this doesn't last long (thank God).
abanyai123 1 year ago
Here on the Internet does anyone have the physical presence of a man? No, you are your own word and the nature of yourself is portrayed by that word. Thus, in word you are naked, so you must love all as He did. If you are in Christ then you are like-minded with anyone else who is. and this is what God wants of us.
ukphotolady 1 year ago
What is your point?
catholicmilitant 1 year ago
This is so very sad. It amazes me how prideful these women are. Complete lack of obedience and humility. Lord have mercy!
mjgroark 1 year ago 5
a woman cant be a priest any more than a man can get pregnant
ned262626 2 years ago 3
Serious question please. Jesus had a gender (male). He also had a religion (Jewish), a race (middle eastern) and an age (early thirties). Why is it mandatory for a priest to have one of these traits to stand in the place of Christ, but not the others?
Mojosbigstick 2 years ago
religion, "race" and age are not indicators of a sacramental character. Look back at the book of Genesis, men and woman are created with separate roles and abilities- the masculine is a God-made distinction between the sexes and it is a sacramental one which affects the ability of a person to act as Christ. Also Jesus never appointed any woman priests, Paul condemned it and the early Church councils said it was impossible to ordain them.
videohoster 2 years ago 2
Because God is a HE (not she or it), with a SON (not she or it), and a Holy Ghost called HE (not she or it).
Disciples were 12 MEN.
DEAL WITH IT.
rubenisrael 2 years ago
@Mojosbigstick Thank you, my point exactly.
USSYODA1992 1 year ago
In persona christi does not translate to "in the presence of Christ." Persona, personae, means mask, characater, or person. It does not mean "presence."
Cocteau120 2 years ago 5
Exactly. When a priest offers the Mass he stands in the person of Christ. A woman cannot do that. Jesus did have gender. He is male.
catholicmilitant 2 years ago 4
These woman have placed their own egos ahead of God. Very sad to say the least.
SanLewy 2 years ago 16
The FSSP recently opend a Tridentine Latin Mass Chapel in April in Sarasota. Ironic?
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago 5
LOL
TheEcumenator 2 years ago
These women who claim to be "priests" or "called to the priesthood" refuse to listen to the clear unambiguous voice of the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the Catholic Church.
They should read Inter Insigniores and Ordinatio Sacerdotalis and understand why Jesus chose only men for the sacramental priesthood.
They are sad and delusional and they are wasting their time doing exactly what the Holy Spirit has not called them to do for the sake of the gospel.
They will never be priests.
dane5256 2 years ago
even if someone disagrees with the Roman Catholic Church's position on women's ordination they must still be obedient. She is not being obedient so WHY is she still calling herself ROMAN catholic when she so clearly disagrees with ROME
PaterNOSTER110289 2 years ago 20
@PaterNOSTER110289 Exaclty my confimation text by Fr. Shamon states:
"Dissent under cetain conditions can be interna, which is permissible; or it may be public, which is not permissible, expecially on mainline issues, like sexual morality.
The reason why public dissent by any Roman Catholic, but ESPECIALLY BY PASTORS and theologians, is wrong is that it confuses others while showing disrespect to the Magisterium, whose duty it is to teach authoritatively in the name of Christ."
MikeJGallagherJr 1 year ago
What's the point in being a "Priest" in a Church that you don't agree with.
PaterNOSTER110289 2 years ago 9
HAHA....I never did think about it like that!! Good point!
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
All REAL catholics have to learn and obey the Church Magisteria in the Catechism.
Catechism clearly prohibits women priests.
If some women wants to become a women priest, she can do it... but NOT in the Catholic Church.
DOT. Catechism is clear.
rebonill 2 years ago
Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.
Califman831 2 years ago 2
Women cannot be priests. Neither can men be nuns..
choirboy526 2 years ago
Being a Male is a condition of Ordination! These foolish women are deceiving themselves. They are no more Priests, than protestant ministers are!!!!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Bridget Mary Meehan is now a "Bishop" in the Roman Catholic Women "Priests" movement. She was ordained with 3 other "Priests". This is the exact oppostie of the consercration of the 4 Bishops by Lefevbre.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
I laughed when they argued Vatican II.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
These women are not Catholic, nor Christian.
They are simply another pagan Amazon-like religion.
Listen the way they baptize:
"In the name of the CREATOR, and Jesus and the Spiritual Force".
They are not christians, they are another pagan heretical religion.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Sojoyful, you look at the world through humanist eyes and with humanist interests. You do not see things through God's Eyes. There is your error.
Everything that happens in this world whether good or bad gives glory to God in one way or another.
Even those "sexual temptations."
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
And where do you get off stating that women are not so easily brought down by sexual temptation??? Are you blind to whats going on? Not a week goes by where there isn't a story in the papers about women sexually assaulting, raping, drugging to seduce, little boys! Wake up lady!
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
You are being ridiculous. I assume that you are literate enough and concerned enough to read the papers yourself. As for the second part of your comment, I won't give it any sort of dignity by attempting to explain. If you're truly interested, take a theology class or two on the glorification of God.
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Joy,
Frankly it does not matter to me whom I speak to, but what does matter to me is what I say to that person. As long as I maintain my integrity and know that I am not misleading the person to whom my comments are directed, that is all that matters. You could come from Vermont, you could be involved in government, you could be one of those silly phony femipriestesses, you could be my next door neighbor. None of that figures into what I say or write in the least.
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
So what's you point? A veiled threat perhaps? A pointless blah blah blah "warning" of some sort? A lecture against my supposed insensitivity? Truth is truth. Everything else is bull....!
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Always nice talking whether we agree or disagree. If you laugh at me, I offer it up for your conversion keeping always in mind that they laughed at jesus, and did worse than that for my, and your, sakes. Good women are full of love and compassion just like good men, but they cannot be priests nor will they ever be able to do so. It is not part of God's plan for our salvation. Women have their place as do men. These differ although they are both of equal value.
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
Not for nothing, but since when is disobedience a virtue? These femipriestesses are directly disobeying Holy Mother Church and putting their needs above the command of the Almighty through His Church. They mock the Church and this does not make God happy. But it does make happy another. You comfortable with that?
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
Nope, they are not Catholics.
Actually, they are not Christians.
Jesus didn't choose women. Jesus choose 12 men.
You may carry out all biblical hebrew studies you want, but there's an overwhelming truth =
Women priests is a modern pagan Amazon-like heretical religion using the motto of "Catholic democracy".
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Youre confounding LOVE with LICENTIOUSNESS.
Love of God also mean = Obey the Catholic Church and the legitimate ministers chosen by Christ.
Women priests and their sectarians followers dont love God and they dont love the Catholic Church.
The heretical only love themselves and their pockets.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Brother, answer is simple:
pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. (S. Luke 10, 2).
The way to get over the low number of labourers (men priests) = Pray.
You are providing human solutions to get over the vocational problem = Women priests, homosexual priests, married priests, divorced priests, etc.
Women priests is not the solution. Actually, you are condemned by the Catholic Church.
Think on that and convert yourself.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
I love Christ, that's why I obey the Church,
If you say you love Christ and disobey the Church, you're a liar.
Leadership come from Jesus.
Jesus choose 12 men. DOT. That's clear.
All the rest is unclear and it's pure paganism.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
"My Church"?
Well, the authority of my Church is upon Peter and 265 Popes through the whole history.
And your sectarious group? You don't have 5 years...
Sorry for your sectarious group.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
"Love without truth is an useless feeling"
(Benedict XVI - Caritas in veritate)
Jesus did not select women as priests.
Sorry.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Sounds like New Age Amazon-religion speech.
As Benedict XVI says "Love without truth is a unless feeling".
I would say "no-sense feeing".
The Pope spoke :-)
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, Seven Day Adventist and New Age movements (including yours!) are:
Christ centered
God centered
Attentive to Truth
all that tango.
Nothing new, another sect.
Are you a REAL lamb of Christ?
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
"Spiritual energy" is a New Age and a Gnostic term.
Is the Church who rightly interpretes the Scriptures, not you.
Jesus gave the authority over his Apostles (all men).
If your sect is catholic, you're in terrible DISODEDIENCE.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Are you Catholic?
If so, this comment has no sense.
Otherwise, I consider you one more of the thousand of sects that floods America.
(New Age-style perhaps)
rebonill 2 years ago
Sojoyful, I am still looking forward to your reply regarding DISOBEDIENCE and might I add a lack of humility!!
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
That is not Biblical, sorry.
In the Kingdom of God there are only two colours:
1. You are WITH Christ and his Church.
2. You are AGAINST Christ and his Church.
DOT.
You are in number 2.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
I give you Biblical quotes.
Your reasoning is not permitted on the Catholic Church
Biblical quotes from you = 0%
Tradition background = 0%
Sorry, you only have personal opinion with null value.
You can say you have your own religion, but it is very faraway of being christianity or catholicism.
rebonill 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
Joy, you are wandering into the ridiculous. Please! maintain a scholarly air about your argument/debate.
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
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sojoyful 2 years ago
HERE LIES THE PROBLEM, OUT OF YOUR OWN MOUTH JOY! You "interpret" the Will of God! That is truly the Protestant way and NOT the Catholic way. We have the Church and her magisterium and her tradition stretching back 2000 years to give us the correct interpretation of God's Will.
catholicmilitant 2 years ago
How very dispiriting to see this poor woman who has been cheated, has had her very soul stolen from her grasp. How could anyone in their right mind sit in front of a camera and claim that "in persona Christi" is correctly translated as anything but "in the person of Christ"?
What she did was tell herself and us a comforting lie, and it hurts to see an otherwise gentle and kindly woman destroy her soul in this way.
Toribus 2 years ago
the new age movement is upon us
Adonimos 3 years ago
CDRphoenix, you are clearly ignorant of scripture and history. Read Mt Ch 16. All your answers can be found here. Some facts: Jesus founded his Church on Peter and promised to send the H.Spirit which would guide the Church into ALL TRUTH. Your fight is with Christ, not the Church. Dont shoot the messanger. Why not give thinking a go this year. make it a kind of New Years Resolutions. That might prevent you sounding like an ignorant and bitter 12 year old. Repent and retur to the true Faith.
Raven0065 3 years ago
What can I add to the many reasonable, logical, theologically accurate comments found here already? In 50 million years there will still be NO WOMEN CATHOLIC PRIESTS. Then again I might petition Pope Benedict to give men the right to have babies. Yep, Im sure he has that power too. I mean we are all equal are we not? So thats final. I want a baby. Now I expect a little opposition from this baby-having-man-hating church, but if all you wmen support my cause it should be ok. Shouldn't it????
Raven0065 3 years ago
You have a very twisted conception of what it means to be equal. ...actually a very twisted view of reality in general, but that's between you and your shrink.
Try asking a reqasonable question, and perhaps you will get an answer. Such willful ignorance as you display serves no purpose but to get people angry ... but then that seems to be your goal.
CDRphoenix 3 years ago
When a man is ordained to the Roman Catholic priesthood he is married to MOTHER Church. Priestly ordination allows the male gender to anthropologically complement the female nature of the church by sacramental means. If the Church allowed women ordinations, it would not only violate the gender compatibility of human beings in nature, moreover, it would mean that the Roman Catholic Church condones homosexuality. Since the Church is obviously against homosexuality, women ordinations are invalid!
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
You can't give an inanimate organization a spiritual / symbolic gender and then try to apply selective rules in nature to it...
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
The Church is not an inanimate organization....it is a living body. Christ is the bridegoom, the head of the body...A priest becomes in persona Christi and therefore is seen as Christ in this sacramental union. I believe this is mentioned in the letter of St. Paul to the Ephesians.
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
Ah. I haven't gotten past the old testament yet so I haven't managed to read Paul's letters. It always confusing me how some christians take parts of the bible to be literal, and others to be metaphorical, without giving a solid basis for the difference in interpretations...I always thought no women priest thing was because women weren't allowed to have authority over men / speak in church. *shrug*
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
The New Testament fulfills the prophecies of the Old Testament, a completeness of truth. I'm not too sure what you are implying with the whole male dominance thing. St. Theresa of Avila, St. Hildegarde of Bingen, St. Joan of Arc, ect....are holy women who spoke with great volume. I slightly agree with you on the literal and metaphorical interpretations of the bible, however, for reasons stated by yourself is why the Magisterum of the Catholic Church exists. I invite you to look more into it.
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
With the women thing, I'm referring to some quotes I was debating in 1 Timothy 2: 11 and 12, where it says: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." and "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." I eavesdrop on internet debates, and it generally turns into a scripture war, lol. There's some pretty..."obnoxious" scriptures. And I'm slowly looking into the bible- it's right beside the Book of Mormon and the Koran on my shelf. XD
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
lol..Its interesting what you will find, especially in Leviticus. I do have to admit though that some women in the church have a problem picturing God with a set of testicles. It is sad that some women religious want more power...power....power...when being meek and humble will grant you the kingdom of heaven.
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
That's where I'm a little different- I don't understand why women would join a religion if they don't embrace all the parts of that religion. ie, like the people in this video- according to Catholicism, women can't be priests. End of story. So if you want to belong to a religion where the omnipotent creator is referred to with male pronouns but have a problem with a male deity... I dunno, maybe it's just me.
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
I agree my friend. People do crazy things when they are uncomfortable with reality. Usually they escape from reality and relatively pursue truth within the confines of their own mind. This video is an example of an unhinged mind.
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
"It always confusing me how some christians take parts of the bible to be literal, and others to be metaphorical, without giving a solid basis for the difference in interpretations..."
Your confusion lies in lack of study. Look closer. There is very solid basis for such interpretation. Frankly, it's confusing to me why one should expect such a work to be entirely literal. Why would you expect that to be the case?
CDRphoenix 3 years ago
//Your confusion lies in lack of study.//
I disagree. If that were the case, anyone who has studied the bible for any length of time would come to the same conclusion- which is not happening. This is evident in the sheer number of varying denominations of christianity; if everyone who studied it ended up interpreting it the same, there would be no such confusion. So why don't you give me the secret of how to tell which passages are meant to be taken literally and which passages are not?
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
"So why don't you give me the secret of how to tell which passages are meant to be taken literally and which passages are not?"
You fool, why don't you actually read before replying. If this is an honest question, the answer is simple and it's no secret. I can recommend a number of good books for you to begin your studies
CDRphoenix 3 years ago
//You fool, why don't you actually read before replying.//
I did read before replying. I even quoted something you had said so that I could argue against it. You TOLD ME "There is a very solid basis for interpretation." I asked you what it was. You called me a fool. Are you a sophisticated troll?
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
"If that were the case, anyone who has studied the bible for any length of time would come to the same conclusion- which is not happening. This is evident in the sheer number of varying denominations of christianity"
Again, you're confused here. You are close to a couple of valid statements, but you draw incorrect inferences and conclusions. Your comment regarding anyone who has studied the Bible for any length of time, however, is patently ludicrous.
CDRphoenix 3 years ago
//Your comment regarding anyone who has studied the Bible for any length of time, however, is patently ludicrous. //
No it's not. According to the United Nations there's over 23 000 denominations of christianity- they all believe slightly different, but all of them follow the bible. So you tell me how there came to be all these different denominations who take away a different interpretation of the bible if, as you say, "There is a solid basis for interpretation."
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
"Frankly, it's confusing to me why one should expect such a work to be entirely literal. Why would you expect that to be the case?"
You still haven't answered this question...
CDRphoenix 3 years ago
The only thing you've done is insult me and insult my words. You haven't intelligently addressed any of my points, aside from your insults. So why should I answer any of your questions, if the only kind of discourse you're capable of is sitting back and labeling me as a fool and my words as ludicrous? I'm almost certain you're a troll now.
NusquamNihil 3 years ago
um...wow. around my houyse theres a woman priest and she actually brought her dog into the church. i was offended. plus woman arent suppose to be priests.
i dont understand something about the catholic church. why is the wine in a cup and then after someone is done using it they just wipe a rag on it. it doesnt do anything. the jerms are still there
mizeri4life108 3 years ago
The woman around your house is not a consecrated priest, but a poor soul living in a fantasy. Women cannot be Catholic priests, period. Your second paragraph indicates a complete lack of understanding with regard to the holy sacrifice of the Mass. As happened during the Last Supper, the wine becomes the blood of Christ and the bread becomes the body of Christ. Each priest has their own chalice and it is cleaned after the offertory. Water is used and the cleaning is complete. No germs....
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
well, thats not what we do in my church. thats only what im saying. my dad makes the communion and puts some wine on it breaking it up into pieces and puts it into the peoples mouths without touching there mouths though. thats just what i was saying. ive never been part of the catholic church. im an armenian orthodox
mizeri4life108 3 years ago
Your dad does not "make" the communion - he consecrates it. Although the Roman Catholic church does not consider your sacraments to be licit, there are still valid, and that bread and wine are the body and blood of Jesus. As for your questions on the validity of that woman who calls herself a priest and your questions on homosexuality, I defer to the head of your church, His Holiness Karekin II, Supreme Patriarch and Catholicos of All Armenians...
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
If these women are so obsessed with titles, how about calling themselves "priestesess"??
MTheChequeGuy 3 years ago
For them, priest or priestess still means the same thing = NOTHING. They have no Holy Orders - they have no Mark on their Souls except the black marks left by the sins of disobedience and pride and lack of humility. These marks do not attract God. But, they do attract someone else. :(
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
"Dressing up and parroting the words has the same effect on bread and wine as a waving a magic wand." That's true whether you're a man, a woman or a kangaroo. It's true whether you're an ordained priest or a certified plumber. I mean, do adults really believe in this "transubstantiation" bullshit? The Eucharist is nothing more than pagan symbolic ritual cannibalism in Christian drag.
scotpens 3 years ago
Scot - google "miracles of the eucharist"
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
Just like actors pretending to play a role. Feminist, lesbian, bitter, man haters. There is NO ordination for women! Sorry, thats life. Dressing up and parroting the words has the same effect on bread and wine as a waving a magic wand. NOTHING. Just one tip: dont hold your breathe waiting for transubstantiation you idiots. Get home and beg God for mercy for rebelling against His Bride, the Church.
Raven0065 3 years ago
This is what's known as "protestantism".... or heresy. There is no such thing as a woman priest in the Catholic Church.
mm3861 3 years ago
Heresy is like treason. It's a word whose meaning depends entirely on who the majority is -- and who has the power.
scotpens 3 years ago
Who ordained this twit?
1polonium210 3 years ago
A fellow twit, of course!
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
If we are "all one in the eyes of god", regardless of our gender, why does it matter what gender the priests are?
Yadarfyn 3 years ago
Well, being that you do not believe in the Bible according to your own word, what do you care about the reasons? Or is the truth that you actually do believe but try to supress the truth as do all militant homosexuals?
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
I would very much like to know why Catholics believe the things that they believe. Clearly you cannot answer that.
Yadarfyn 3 years ago
I can very much explain much to you, but there is no point in doing so as your hostility to the church, which comes through loud and clear, will blind you to anything I have to share. I will tell you one thing - everything Catholics believe has it's roots in scripture and the historical church (tradition.)
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
Well the fact that Jesus and his twelve Apostles were all male plays the main factor. It has nothing to do with sexism, although it may easily be confused as that. I mean after all, Catholics are the ones who honor and venerate Mary due to her mothering Christ and the church. We see a vital role for women. Men and women have obvious differences, physical, emotional etc. And just as they are different in those ways, their roles in the Church are different. Do you understand what I'm saying?
texasdjp 3 years ago
Looks like a retirement home.
jimbart76 3 years ago 2
i'll pray for the Blessed Virgin to clobber the knuckeheaded bishops in the head with a two by four. If we had Women priests when i was sexually abused by FR. BUTCH then i could have had one humane ear to speak to about it sooner before it destroyed my life,Not my faith! We the Abused ARE the CROSS of CHRIST in your midst and all our sufferings are the same as His. But your carnal parochial pride is the devils own rose colored sunglasses. THIS IS OUR WITNESS WITH CHRIST TO YOU PROUD CATHOLIC PAX
stevenstreets3 3 years ago
Steven, I assume that either you do not read the newspapers or you are purposefully blinding yourself to the fact that women abuse little boys also! Are you not aware of all the public school teachers going to jail for raping young boys lately? Fr. Butch was ONE man, not representative of the church. HE is the one who abused you and should be castrated, not the church. You, the abused, and I include myself in that group, are NOT the cross of Christ.
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
The cross of Christ is our sins, yours, mine, Fr. Butch's, everyones.
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
Not ALL women abuse little boys, you know.
Yadarfyn 3 years ago
And not ALL priests do either!
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
Women priests were part of the original Christian community prior to Constantine when they headed the Home Churches. Read Acts. The argument that Jesus was a man therefore a priest must be a man makes no sense. Why have so many women received the stigmata if God had a problem with it?
13mns 3 years ago
13mns, where are you getting your phony info from? YOU need to read Acts, and not with revisionist eyes. Women were NEVER priests in Christianity.
catholicmilitant 3 years ago
women are never gonna be priests
DragonprinceImrik 3 years ago
Let's take a look at what Catholicism requires us to believe:
YHVH/Elohim/God 'the Father' is God
Jesus is God
The Holy Spirit is God
God had to sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to save us from the Wrath of...Himself!
God was incapable of simple forgivenness in return for genuine repentance.
And if we don't believe this blasphemous nonsense we'll be tortured mercilessly forever!
Do you believe that the historical, Jewish Jesus believed that?
robfox66 3 years ago
Dude, your comments are so very shallow and frankly, I've not the time nor inclination to go into the rather simple logic and theology required to comprehend salvation to the extent of our limited capacities as humans. If you are interested in the truths which Catholicism proclaims, find a good orthodox priest to have your questions answered. DON'T go to the liberal cretins posing as priests...find an orthodox one. Easy to tell them apart. Liberal preaches easy way. Orthodox - the narrow path.
catholicmilitant 3 years ago