TheLine Episode 2 Homosexuality: Choice or FITRAH?

[akkiebrudda]

gay people are gay - thats an insult if you gays didnt realise

[akkiebrudda]

mashaAllah brother ur a mujahid, barakAllahu feek

[MrSeattleNative]

On what basis do religious sheep claim any expertise on homosexuality? Are y'all gay? Graduates with degrees in science? physiology? It's always shocking listening to people confidently voice ignorant opinions based, solely, on their indoctrinated, religious opinion. Have y'all met and really come to respectfully know any gay people? It doesn't look like you have. Just sounds like a bunch of self-important bigots opening their pie holes for attention.

[dawahworks]

@MrSeattleNative Not our fault you gays dont have a consensus. Thats exactly what inconsistent theories gets you. You have an attraction for the same sex so you insert into an anus??? The very same anus whos sole purpose is to emit waste? & you call this natural? What a stretch. Nature itself tells you something is OFF here.

[MrSeattleNative]

@dawahworks You're wrong, and, not surprisingly, vulgar and pious at the same time. No anus emits waste worse than the uninformed prejudice that comes from your narrow mind. You like to dress up in the robe and hat of a theologic scholar, and yet you dishonor your calling by preaching in judgement of the hearts and values of others you do not care to know or understand. You are a fraud and unworthy of judging others, hiding your hateful heart from no one.

[dawahworks]

@MrSeattleNative You say "nature" (We say Allah) has dictated HUNGER facilitated by mouth, teeth, tongue, saliva, throat, stomach, acid, intestines, sphincter, rectum, & notification to defecate.

Explain what has nature given you to facilitate your same-sex attraction... The answer would be over-simple if I were to ask a heterosexual.

Whats your answer?

[MrSeattleNative]

@dawahworks The flaw is not in the answer, it is in your question. I won't debase myself by describing how nature has "facilitated" gay sex, although I will say it did a fantastic job of it. You steer clear of the complex nature of sexual identity and seem to, lazily, defend your bigotry by inferring that straight intercourse is all that nature permits, which isn't even true for heterosexuals. I get dizzy when I hear my partner laugh or see him smile. Sexual identity isn't about sex.

[dawahworks]

@MrSeattleNative yOU "GET DIZZY"??? Mite wana get that checked.

[MrSeattleNative]

@dawahworks Are you such a sophomoric idiot that you think that's smart sarcasm? Still, I don't blame you for ignoring the actual debate, because your limited perspective on homosexuality is so destructively, embarrassingly wrong.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative If someone would come up with an religion that allows totally everything, it would allow homosexuality, incest, homicide, pedophilia, fornication, I mean completely and totally everything. There would be no rules more than to believe in one God, then there would be no questioners. No one would reject such a religion that has no rules, as it isn't limiting anyone's ways nor their doings.

You take nature as well as some other people take nature as an object, to which you point

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim I reject any and all religions, as they are all based on the premise that there's an invisible creator, however "lenient", with magical powers. It's so absurd it feels hard to debate about the existance of such a mythical entity. The view of "worshipping" anything or anyone is insulting. You can write another 6 paragraphs to make yourself feel better, but religion is all destructive nonsense and imaginary comfort for the weak, lazy and unappreciative.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative Religion which supports science and science supports those facts given in that religion isn't more than the truth, when someone sees the truth and recognize it as such there's nothing more than the ignorance of that person if she or he denies it. Thus that person would only fool him/herself about how the things indeed are, and how the things are going to be, as well as what is going to happen.

But if you mean a religion which is based completely upon assumptions or blind faith

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative I can totally agree with you on that one. As blind faith isn't supported, (in Islam) nor does it lead to anywhere but into humiliation and destruction.

Whilst if a person likes to deny the truth, misguide and beguile to him/herself because they only wish to amuse themselves with the things that exist in this materialistic, easily deceiving life and a sad part of the truth is that those who claim to be happy indeed aren't happy. There are times in which these people fall into

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative great desperation, as people who wish but to amuse themselves they become tired of things. When they've "tested out" everything that there is, then there's no more things that this person wishes to do. Thus some of them come to end their lives and so on.

Comfort for the weak is when you prefer to live a life in a "dreamworld" in which everything is permitted, nothing is prohibited nor is there anything that you shouldn't or couldn't do.

If a person wishes to live as a slave

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative for he's or her's emotions/lusts, then he or she will do it and live accordingly to it. But even people such as yourself know that in such a way, there's no joy, there's no rejoice about anything. Most of the things become fake and motto such as "everyone lies" becomes popular, widely spread.

Each aspect of life becomes nothing and your living even when you're dead from the inside, spirituality is dead and materialism has taken the lead. When you've gotten all out from material

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative world and "joys" then there's nothing more. It's the end, there's nothing that someone would wish to get as he or she has had it all. There's nothing more in this life, this is the most saddest aspect of denying the truth.

But do as you wish, for you is your way and for me is mine. We shall find the truth at the end of our roads, even though many of us like to deny it.

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim I just have one question: How can you presume to know what it's like to be gay, let alone give others advice about it? And, if you point to a religious book, that does not answer my question.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative Perhaps the only "proof" which you wish to read from my comments, is "a proof" which is completely shaped in the ways you like it to be. It's like if some people aren't happy with a religion, they start to change it and remove important parts of it.

Whilst the truest religion and true believers stick to what has been given to us, they're not the ones trying to reshape it as they recognize it as the truth. Homosexuality has always been around, sometimes it has been less so and

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative in sometimes it has been quite recognized, and held as "normal" thing to do.

We can shape our lives and live in which ways we like, truth is that if something isn't good for us and even if we try to prove it otherwise, it doesn't make it any different. If something is poisonous and we try to make up excuses that it isn't poisonous, that doesn't make it non-poisonous. I hope that you understood my point.

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim Well, we can agree to disagree. You think that homosexuality is poisonous to society, and I think that religion is poisonous to society. To my knowledge, however, no wars have been fought and no extremist has ever flown a plane full of people into a building to proclaim their homosexuality. I hope that you understand my point.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative And to believe that the world's most securest of countries would be so weak against internal attacks, that already alarms about one's own mind. As if U.S. would be so easily attacked from the inside, then why hasn't it happened after that and why is it that military wasn't allowed to take down those planes. It's like it was completely planned, nor did I give the example about homosexuality. It was an example about the truth, if something is bad for us or if something is

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative poisonous, if we start to try and prove it otherwise would it even make a difference?

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative that "it made something, through such and such material combinations". If you indeed use rationality, or logic you would come to notice that nothing creates itself nor does it produce anything by itself. People, mainly such as you (atheists) invoke that such and such things started to move or activate themselves by solemnly wishing to do something they just started to do so.

Such religions have existed and some of them exist still today, pagan religions as they're known do not

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative mainly set any specific rulings for it's followers. Thus much of the pagans are nowadays pitied by some part of the people, because they were so liberal in their rules and ways. It's not so much about believing in God, it's much more about the rules and sticking to them. If one sees the "enjoying" of this life as the greatest thing to do, then they cannot resist to live this life "in it's fullest".

I don't know, if I wasn't correct in my questions but where were these gays in

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative those days wherein there were much more things to be done. People had to do work, there was a great deal of stress and mainly people weren't so prosperous in those days. Thus they had less luxury and they had to do a lot of work to earn that luxury, nowadays people are lazy from their bodies and from their minds. They accept everything that is shown from the television, few of the people are even questioning those things as it's easier to live in ignorance than in the opposite

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative Through history we can see civilizations which were in the peak of their prosperity and in their ways, what did they start to do when there was little that they haven't "tested out"? They started to do many kinds of horrific things and very much like we are, they were heedless.

It's in our nature to "go from wherever the fence is the lowest", but still in reality those whom prefer to live in truth, these people have no hard time to accept it as it is. But those who like to

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative "have fun" these people have something against everything that there is. There's no thing which a person who wants everything wouldn't be complaining about, if you were given million dollars. You would after a while see it as normal, we're greedy and we get too used to things which are mostly irrelevant. Sometimes they're dire to our existence, but in times when there's no trials people aren't really appreciating those things which they have. This can easily be proven, but few

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative of us even care about such truth.

Truth hurts and please do tell me, if you can do so. That what is so beneficial of being a homosexual? Where is the benefit of being such a person, is the benefit only to fulfill one's own lusts? Or where is it? Please do tell me...

Because when a woman and a man has such an intimate relationship, they come to have sex. These couple enjoy what they do and there's a benefit in it, they will have children through such a way. It's something in

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative which there's a joy and there's a benefit.

Whereas being a homosexual, people only fulfill their own desires. If this can be seen as benefit then most of the things that we do (crimes or not) should be accepted, because their "benefiting us" only because we fulfill our desires. Thing is that most of the things which we see as "good" or we do because we're fulfilling our desires, those things mostly aren't benefiting us in any way. Isn't this true?

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim I'm going to respectfully assume that you really don't understand, and explain it. Like most gay men, I have absolutely no desire, whatsoever, never have, never will, none at all, in females. None! I have only been, from the first moment of interest, sexually and romantically attracted to the sight, smell, touch and thought of males. I'm in love with, and monogamous with, my male partner of 10 yrs. It's not about desire or benefit. It's innate, natural, normal

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative You don't see the point, there's no benefit nor is it thus normal. I'm not saying this because I'm a Muslim, but still you cannot reproduce through such ways. One thing that is mostly certain is that the growing environment has an great impact on a kid, if he or she is living a he's or her's childhood only within certain types of rules they may make that certain child as different.

It's like when in some days people used to train children, so that they would become assassins

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative these children were mostly poor, some of them might have been orphans. Those whom trained them made them grow in an environment in which there's little room for things such as love, compassion and such things. Some of these people could easily be ones who have no interest in other sex at all and their emotions are quite different from a "normal child's".

Still even how one's emotions are, people cannot reproduce with the same sex. Men can't reproduce between themselves nor can

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative women, this is an fact.

We shouldn't be forgetting the things which are shown on television, most of the time. These programs, which totally program people show great many things to children which cause event inside of their mentality.

[Haltsha]

Of course it's a choice !

[muslim9x9x]

being born gay contradicts evolution (if true). evolution is based on NON-GAY preservation of the Human race by copulation between TWO sexes of the opposite gender. How could someone be "born gay" when evolution doesn't allow it? evolution only allows reproduction by NON-GAY males, so how could one be "born gay?" it contradicts evolution

[ThePatientMuslim]

a sad bunch of hypocrites, who think that they're ways are better than God's. We all do make mistakes, we do think sometimes that, "we know better" but in reality we're mistaken. God Who has created us, surely knows that what is best for us. Why would He prefer us to do something that isn't good for us, or why should He accept us making our "own rules". Because the fact is, we're not our own creators. We've been created thus our Creator is the One Who "programmed" us. Peace.

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim You believe in a god, but you're not a god and you're, presumably, not gay, so don't pretend you know anything about being gay is. I am gay, so I speak with the authority of experience when I say that being gay is perfectly natural. I don't believe in any gods, but I do believe that you're not going to find any answers to your questions about what it means to be gay in any book, least of all the bible.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative People speak as they themselves know what's good for them, do mind that when asking a drug addict he or she would say that they want to get away from that toxic... But when their sober, that is what they more likely want to be "high" again.

Some people think that even killing the innocent is normal, completely natural as killing is in our nature. But killing of the innocent isn't right, not right at all. Homosexuality isn't normal, sex and reproducing is normal and natural.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative But sex in the parts where a person goes and has sex with he's or her's family member, that anymore isn't normal. Men cannot have children between themselves, nor can women between themselves. It's against nature, our nature is that we need a man and a woman to get new life. If the same could be done by homosexuals then I would bet, that it wouldn't have such a name for itself. It would in reality be normal, not to forget that the environment in which everyone of us grows up in

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative determines pretty much that what will we become, what will we be.

I don't have nothing against homosexuals in person, or homos as humans I don't have nothing against. It's just the acts and "ideology" that I'm so much standing against, it isn't natural nor is it good. Even if hundreds or thousands of gays would say so, it's the same as if we would go and ask a drug addict, or a homicidal maniac about their acts. They would say that it's fun, totally natural. Wouldn't they?

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim Are you for real? You lie and say you don't have "nothing against homosexuals" while comparing gays to "drug addicts, those who commit incest and homocidal maniacs". You say you're against "the acts and ideology". Complete, sanctimonious bullshit & bigotry. Hold on, tight, to that bible, and to your transparent ignorance and prejudice. The more you write, the more you reveal the hatred behind Christianity and how you fool yourself in order to feel better.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative Man I said that I have nothing against that person, he's or her's choices may be bad and the choices are which make the human or how he or she is seen in front of other people.

But this isn't hatred, if you cannot handle the truth, then don't point at others with your fingers. As we all do make mistakes, there's no doubt about that but you said "it's completely natural" your sentence isn't true at all. I could call on that you have a "hatred upon truth" or a "hatred against

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative nature".

As this brother said in this video, that you call upon the homosexual persons being "straight". Thus does that mean, that your ways are in someway crooked?

If a person does something bad to him/herself, yet calls it to be fun and at the same time knows it to be harmful to him/her. If this act of "fun" is indeed harmful and not good in reality, then why should I go on about "accepting" it? As the people only harm themselves with such acts, peace.

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim Even if being gay was a choice, I still think it would be a fine, healthy, and happy, natural one. But being gay is NOT a choice. If you are straight, you did not decide that, and I never decided to be gay because sexual identity is not a choice. It's not a lifestyle or a fad. If you're not gay, then it is you who don't know the truth. Joining the Muslim religion is a choice. If you believed being black was a choice, what would you have black people do?

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative Being born black is different from the ways in which you were brought up, for an example. Like this brother here said and what has obviously happened many times, people "become" gays and then after a while when they've amused themselves enough, they become straight again. Then there are the bi-sexual people, it's like people making a choice of committing adultery or not.

You're not born as an adulterer/adulteress, you become one. Of course you can go on about how you were born

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative to be an adulterer, if we go on into the details we can see that this person would be invoking that because of them having lustful thought or emotions, that act happened. To them it only appears as "natural", as they felt that it had to be done so that they would be fulfilling their emotions.

Emotions are natural, thus their actions are "natural" if asked from them. It's like asking those people who see that fighting wars, killing innocents as a normal thing to do. Why do they

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative see it as normal? Because that makes them feel alright and they get money from it, I guess that they get some kind of an twisted satisfaction from it. That is why they do it and of course there's money, which even pushes them to do it.

And I'm not comparing homosexuals to killers, what I'm comparing is their feelings, emotions and how they must think about it and why do they think in such a way.

If being a gay wouldn't bee a choice, wouldn't there be more gays? Like in the

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative times of the world wars, there were not so much people being "gay".

This is only one way of amusing one's self, telling that it's something that you born with and you're not capable of choosing it. It only gives an excuse, excuse which you don't have to explain too much. Or not at all if you think about it.

Because things which you are born with, cannot be questioned or if they are questioned someone has to be really smart. Peace.

[MrSeattleNative]

@ThePatientMuslim You certainly have a lot of words for someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even spoken at length to a secure gay person? You can think what you want, or, rather, what you've been indoctrinated to think, but being gay is not a choice.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative Or what if you've been indoctrinated to think that being gay is a choice, as television, mainstream media and all the schools in which the indoctrination begins it's told that being a "gay" among many other things is "ok".

Only thing that is not "ok" is that you don't become a consumer, a person who owns he's or her's life completely on working, getting money which in reality has no true value. Money which people themselves made out of paper, then gave it a false value.

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative If you're a homosexual, adulterer or even a incest it in reality doesn't matter to those whom are "the elite". What they wish is that people would do blindly the work they wish/make them to do, if person wastes he's or her's time by taking drugs or having "fun" in any way possible. The elite isn't concerned for people like that, whom waste their time without asking questions or actually do it willingly.

Whereas people who use their brains and prefer to use their time, and not

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative to waste it. These are the people who the elite is so scared about and those are the people who indeed oppose their power, or their position which they have through deceit. Through ways in which they only deceive people to get those positions, but hey we live all our lives. That is true, but I'm not a person who's taking an action of encouraging people to do mindless things. I'm the opposite, I prefer that people use their minds question everything. But when they find the truth

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative they should accept it as it is, not deny nor reject it. As it's only foolish and people with knowledge know this as an fact, peace.

[ThePatientMuslim]

Basically and sadly people call for truth and religion which could set them free, but most of the people accept religion as something that is changed through their own means, or if they see something as good it should be allowed not prohibited.

This is the truth, God isn't a fairy tale being from Whom you can lie about. Of course there are people who do that, but I guess that all of us can see what happens to those people. These people who manipulate their religion because of their "needs" are

[MrSeattleNative]

Sexual identity is formed in the womb, and spans the entire spectrum from gay to straight. All the pseudo-intellectual/religiousl­y-framed babble in this video is complete bullshit. The 4th grade word play with the term "straight", the fact that 2 people of the same gender can't reproduce, completely ignores the fact that gay people are born gay, become gay children, and grow up to be gay adults. Instead of spreading complete nonsense, put down the Koran and pick up a text book. Embarrassing..

[dawahworks]

@MrSeattleNative Is that a fact? "Born gay"... What a concept.

[MrSeattleNative]

@dawahworks So, then, do you think people are born straight?

[dawahworks]

@MrSeattleNative All are born either male or female (with exception of hermaphrodites which is a ABnormity). Besides this there may be chemical & mental imbalances that may be treatable.

[MrSeattleNative]

@dawahworks Have you ever spoken with, and really listened to, secure gay people? They will tell you that being gay is not a choice, and all, respected science and psychology on the topic has concluded that it isn't a mental problem. The lone hold-out opposing all science and research is religion. To think that you would find your answers about me and others like me in religious text is beyond offensive to the point of being unworthy of debate. So, are hermaphrodites gay or straight?

[dawahworks]

@MrSeattleNative So now we have categories of "secure & insecure gays"? I cant speak for religions but Islam is a system of life /ideology which IS from the Creator of you & I. Whether you believe this or not. Male & female relations sustain life & healthy youths. Gay lifestyle is a faddish phenomena with a sundry of causes. Hermaphrodites existed during The Prophets time. There was no surgical procedure to correct them, but they were citizens & inherited by how they urinated.

[Auntypearl]

@dawahworks Actually MrSeattlleNative is (imo) partially correct. Sexual identity is indeed for a big part formed in the womb, although I think we should not forget about our nurture. If you look at studies, many people change their sexual orientation. For some people I definitely think its a choice, thinking they would have not been gay if it were a different time. For others I definitely think they are way more easily to turn out gay based on their biological identity.

[dawahworks]

@Auntypearl Whether chemical or mental or nature vs nurture. A gay thought is far different than a gay act. I detailed the source of these thoughts, but as for the tolerance to the acts, each government chooses the way forward for in citizenry. Some women are attracted to more sensitive men, & only deviant men are attracted to the same.

[GodHasNoFavorites]

@dawahworks so who then are hermaphrodites supposed to have sex with according to this God who created them confused and ABnormal?

[dawahworks]

@GodHasNoFavorites They will manifest male or female tendencies & marry accordingly. In this life we live within whats called "QADR" (characteristics of created things). If I choose to imbibe harmful substances or commit violence against others, I cannot blame "god" for the choice I made. Likewise the result of my choices arent miraculous but within QADR.

[GodHasNoFavorites]

@dawahworks what choice did hermaphrodites to be hermaphrodites? Your logic doesn't make any sense.

We have lots of people these days who are gender androgynous who don't identify with one gender over another and for individuals like that who are hermaphrodites how could they possibly be held accountable when there's is a God induced confusion?

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative I don't know what you or I could or would call as embarrassing, as the media is mostly full of nonsense thus we're fed numerous of false things into our ways of thinking. Our mentality is constantly under an attack, whether we recognize the attack or not but so it is.

I don't know if you've ever heard about the movie called "Zeitgeist", in one of those movies it's greatly explained that how the genetics influence our outcome. What are the true influences, that influence is much

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative more coming from the external side than the internal side. Of course some major things which are vital to the baby's (while inside of the womb) essence, such as the rate of food in "outside world". These things may influence the shape or state in which the baby is born into this world.

Though genetics are greatly misunderstood, as the environment in which the child is about to grow up that makes a lot of difference to that child. Go on and watch the movie, it's quite long and

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative quite awakening in some of it's parts.

And if you really start to tell that people are "playing with words" you should notify the original meaning of "gay", I'm assuming that you know what it meant on earlier days. Not so long ago, then there's a lot of other words which are twisted from their original meaning. Such words are fundamental, boy/girlfriend and there may be many others too...

If you start to think about the history of humanity, you only find few spots in which

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative sodomy is highly practiced, such days are in the past. If you look a bit of our history, you can certainly find out that people when they've been given the "chance" to have fun and relax. I.e. there's not much wars going on around us, (except those wars which are held in countries, faraway from our own lands) in those times people tend to become heedless of what is good for them and what's not.

In the time of WW2 how many of these "gay parades" or "gay people" did you see, or

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative have you even heard about them? Of course there were a lot of "gay people" if you turn back to the original meaning of that word, but since we're in these days in which we are, we can use that term in reference to homosexuals.

We as people think that we're so highly civilized and so wise, but indeed we're as stupid as ever. I'm speaking for myself and for the humanity, we're heedless in our nature there's no denying on that but still that doesn't make us ones without brains. Of

[ThePatientMuslim]

@MrSeattleNative course there's an awful lot of people who wish us to be blind and people without minds, and they're doing pretty good job by keeping the masses asleep.

We should look into the Qur'an, look into the truth and what it teaches to us, then we should greatly look into the ways of those whom were here before us. And of course we can pick up textbooks, in which there are facts but sadly there's not so much of those books in nowadays. Even most of them are corrupted. Peace.

[MrSeattleNative]

@1manmafia Babies are born with a sexual identity, not an awareness of it or a sexual desire. No video, including this one, makes it clear that sexual orientation is not permanent. No one "turns" anything, but some folks are gay, some are straight, and most are somewhere inbetween. Being gay, like being straight or inbetwen, is totally normal, natural, and healthy.

[4onetimeonly]

@MrSeattleNative if gay or straight is an identity assumed in the womb then how are we to understand the overly directional design cues of the human being in terms of which sex we partner up with? the explicitly directional design cues witnessed in the male and female form serve to visually confirm companionship between the two.so simplistic and yet powerful is this that it is reaffirmed in the islamic dress code which does not allow for blur

[4onetimeonly]

@MrSeattleNative this reality alone is why the "gay thing" has only been an anamoly within humanity and never the the outright condition of it

[dageekmonsta]

@ dawahworks where is episode 1 of the line?

[3Buffylover]

does anyone understand what conclusions dawahworks has on this subject? the video seems confusing.

[dawahworks]

@3Buffylover Could be the plan or could be that you just dont get it.

[call2allah]

1:48 its something we were born with

he renumbers from when he was two

LOL hahhahaa

did he even know who he was?, far from knowing those around him

ALL LIES

[dawahworks]

@call2allah Yup... from 3 or 4 to 17. Subhaanallah!