@Mark12ga Apparently you haven't seen much in the way of punctuation or capitalization, either. ANY gun will "blow up" with a double charged round; just look at exploded revolvers, etc. This was a case where the cheap casting used for the slide simply fell apart. It happens to Walther P22s, as well. If you'd have actually watched the video, I have photos attached in a slide show. If you've never seen "proof", you've never looked for it.
@floatingaxehead watched your video again and still did not see proof of a hi point blowing apart as you said in the video i seen a hi point that had the sear assembly an the safety removed.If you think that a hi point will blow up in your hands i suggest you watch this Hi-Point Pistols The Ultimate Test Part 4: Judgement Day by Iraqveteran8888
@Mark12ga The sear assembly and safety FELL out after the slide was no longer capable of staying on the gun. Look at the pics. The front of the slide simply failed.
Look, you'll find "proof" online for whatever you want to believe. I know Iraqveteran8888, we've discussed this. What he doesn't do is compete in IDPA, or take any real training classes like Thunder Ranch or Massad Ayoob Group. Do more real training rather than plinking and web surfing. You'll see for yourself.
You are making your opinions off of hearsay. How about you get the gun yourself, use it for a while, then make your comments. Because I have one and I prefer it over my 5-7.
@ravidone1 Hearsay? You must not have actually heard what I said or watched my first video. I spent time with the gun- and due to it's cheap, poorly made magazines causing stoppages with all ammo we tried I just can't recommend it for anything other than a plinker. And it's not a good plinker, because a quality .22 will pay for itself in ammo costs within 500 rounds. I have to wave the B.S. flag that you prefer this to a $1000 FN overpriced .22 magnum... Ever been to a real shooting school?
Thanks, Eric, for the review. Folks would like to believe there's a people's handgun out there, made in America for hardworking Americans who aren't rolling in dough, but the Hi-Point isn't it. My CCW instructor made a point of warning our class off the Hi-Points as cheap, inaccurate, jam-prone street guns used by thugs to kill police. I give you credit for trying to like the weapon for what it is. Too bad it's unreliable and unsafe. Truth is, making good firearms ain't cheap.
@henry8smallwood It's still a fun plinker, but spending more on a nice .22 pistol will save you back the difference in ammo costs within 500 rounds. The magazine makes it too unreliable, regardless of ammo used as seen here. And it's too bulky to serve as a CCW gun. It would be great if this were truly "as good as" other pistols, but the fact is you get what you pay for. It's too bad...
its just a plinker, and its great for that purpose. you only pay 100 bucks and then you can get it repaired every time it breaks for free. you have to pay shipping, but alot of the time hi-point will give you a free magazine or something to compensate for that wich is cool. just dont expect a self defense pistol and you wont regret buying it. i plan on getting one eventually to add to my collection.
@Ronald3570 You just hit the nail on the head, sir. A fun gun, but that is all. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with that as long as it's kept in context.
@floatingaxehead ya i dont really agree with the people who use it for home defense. it might be working great for them right now, but if they practice with it alot (as you should with your self defense firearm) its eventually going to break down and need repairs. its just something that happens with these guns and you dont want that to happen the day you need it.
This just goes to so you that any idiot with a computer can have a fancy "podcast". Have you ever heard of the term "lemon"? If it is man-made, you are going to have a few that just aren't right, no matter what brand you buy....Even the beloved Glock and S&W. Your bias because of one malfunctioning gun and your decision to buy cheap ammo is what makes your "podcast" a joke. what serious shooter shoots wolf ammo anyway? Looks to me like you were trying your best to foul the gun up.
@xibowhunter I've tried my best to foul my Glock up, and it just keeps running. Hmm... This was more than one malfunctioning gun. And if you can't recognize the quality difference between cast pot metal and hammer forged steel, there's really nothing I can do to help you. But I'm glad you went for for calling me an idiot, rather than debate technical merits. For the record, I'm actually a Mensa member (#100257114), so have your ducks in a row before insulting someone lest you invalidate yourself
OHHHH Mensa member. Well pardon me. Sorry, your poor review and lack of research still makes your review poor and uninformed. Go ahead, base your opinion on one gun and crappy ammo, that still makes your opinion a joke.
@xibowhunter Once again- it was more than one gun. Lack of research? Look into the definition of pot metal, and whether or not zinc and Zamak-3 fit. Then look into steel, and hammer forged barrels. You can get all snooty and mad if you like, but the fact is a well made gun works better, and a Hi Point isn't a well made gun. Wolf may be crap ammo, but it feeds through everything else I own just fine. And if people are so cheap as to buy Hi Points, buying cheap ammo isn't a stretch.
I'll tell you what. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, buy a Hi Point, and do your own review. Your opinion may get a little more credible at that point. I'm sure you have $100 to spare somewhere, and that's all it will take. I'll gladly eat some crow if you can honestly give a good review. Until then, I can certainly keep pointing out your shoddy review with no worries. Sound fair?
@xibowhunter I keep trying to convince my buddy at work to sell me his Hi Point so I can destroy it! LOL! Because if you saw my Glock videos, you know I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. You can keep calling it a shoddy review all you want, and I'm truly sorry if you somehow think that by me calling this pistol what it is (junk) that I'm passing judgment on you. It ain't personal. But I don't need to own a Yugo to know that they were poorly made, either.
You could give a bit more than 2nd hand (now 3rd hand) information about alleged guns exploding to make your final decision. I mean every single pistol made has an anecdote about them exploding or failing catastrophically, usually with a distinct lack of detail (overpressure ammo?) or hard evidence.
Glocks have been dogged by such unsubstantiated allegations of going kaboom for decades now.
I mean if you believed every firearm myth you wouldn't want to use ANY!
@Treblaine It's true that a double charge will blow any gun. I've seen revolvers and 1911s that have gone kaboom.
But it doesn't take a lot of common sense to figure out that steel would be appreciably stronger than cast pot metal. That's where I'll place my bets.
Be reasonable, highly technical points such as the strength tolerances of die-cast metals requires more than "common sense". Remember with Glock people used to say "I'm not trusting MY life to a plastic pistol"!
Hi-point slides are made from Zamak 3, noted for it's high impact resistance it has a yield strength very similar to A36 steel (210-240 MPa). It's good for power-tools, compressors and auto-power-trains. 'Pot metal' is an antiquated term now considered pejorative.
@Treblaine Yes, pot metal can be considered a pejorative. It can also refer to a whole family of inexpesive metals with low melting points used in cheap casting processes. Like Zinc. Which is the primary ingredient in "Zamak 3". It is, by definition, a pot metal gun.
I have a Glock on my bench at this very moment with a cracked slide, as there are a few models that were made with defective slides. Your opinion is based on ONE ISSUE! I know of hundreds of Hi-Point owners that have not had any issue, but evidently one issue is enough to give you an opinion. So, I will give you what I have seen in the past 2 days, 2 Glocks with cracked slides, a S&W Sigma with a broken extractor, Bushmaster AR with a broken bolt, Para 1911 with an undiagnosed trigger issue.
I came to watch your other video, as you claimed I was misinformed. You still haven't shown me anything I haven't seen on numerous other brands of pistol. Where is the catastrophic failure? All you have is a pistol that was probably assembled improperly, or used +P+ ammo. I have seen worse on far nicer firearms. I fix broken guns for a living, and what I see is not a reason to pass a Hi Point.If so, I can name about every manufacturer to pass on, as they all have failures.
ive got the smith and wesson super sigma...decent gun. only con is the 14 lbs triger pressure required to fire the weapon. i agree with you eric while shopping around with my father he was looking for a nice 9mm target pistol for my 15 birthday. we looked at high points we were close to getting onee untill i watched ur video. i will always be a berreta or sig sauer man at heart i subscribed please comment back with your suggestions or comments to my decision
@WhiteWidow904 I think you bought a solid, inexpensive but not cheap handgun. Are there "nicer" ones? Sure. But you got a solid value and decent performer, and I applaud you for it. Take the money you saved on the Sigma vs. a Sig and buy a good holster, lots of ammo, and train! I'd say you're on the right track.
If Hi-Point made such a dangerous product; does anyone honestly believe that every regulatory branch of the federal government would not have eagerly jumped on their case and sued them right into he stone-age?
Funny how all we ever see in these videos is just a still picture and a comment "see that", "look here" or "I told you so". You don;t prove anything in a court of law by saying "well I heard that this" or "I heard from my friend that had a "hi-point"......Um, no.
Funny how people say Hi-Points are so dangerous in that they explode in your face and yet all we ever see or hear is the rantings of a few people and .......................hang on a second lets be real here; if these guns are sooooooooooooooooooo dangerous; then why is Hi-Point still is business?
They would of been sued into the stone age if their guns were as dangerous as people make them out to be.
Secondly: I suspect the reason that you were able to find a broken Hi-point was because your dealer (or friend or whatev) jumped at the chance to hold onto a broken hi-point to show off. If you reason this out, you are less likely to find a Kimber, because no one suspects that they're crappy, and also they're expensive, so even a broken one is worth holding onto and fixing or selling for parts, or scrapping, which would leave no evidence. But a Hi-point? Sure give it away, it was cheap anyhow
@travislikeafox To be fair, I've seen LOTS of failures in Para 1911s, a pricier gun, and wouldn't recommend them, either. I also recommend against a Kimber, for that matter- they don't run to acceptable levels out of the box, chambers are too tight for defensive use, and the Series II firing pin block is a flawed setup, imho.
series II kimbers are nothing but headache, I have a series I grand raptor which is awesome, got rid of my ultra carry II, it was a waste of money, im off kimbers for good, bought a sig c3 1911, its been flawless. german quality control, its sad that most of the guns I own now are made in germany, austria, but in all honesty, who can beat Glock, Sig or HK in quality durability and value? no one IMHO
@JackSureshot I agree 100%. I've since traded my Series II Kimber for an SIS without the Schwartz style block, and don't recommend that brand. SIGs can be nice, but I recommend getting the German made ones, prior to 2005. Even they are having a lot of QC issues now, since being made in the USA. So sad... The HK45 is US-made if I recall, and that one is superb. I just can't justify the price tag right now... But someday. LOL.
One more comment. It seems like your final decision to say "nay" to this weapon was the slide failures you discovered. Two things: first, since most people regard Hi-Point as a cheap gun, failures are much more likely to be reported, because people who have already cast judgement will want evidence linking low cost to crappy performance. Consciously or subconsciously, people want the gun to fail so they can say, "See! Look!"
Something to add, which I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that it seems like over 1/2 of the reviews I read from owners who LIKE the gun, the owner has mentioned that they have had feed problems. These problems had to be fixed (as per manufacturers direction) by polishing the gate with a dremel tool. I'm not going to buy a gun that I need to do my own machining on, that's just one step too far. I wouldn't buy an alarm clock I have to work on, much less a gun! Pipe bomb waiting to happen!
Interesting...I also know of a guy who's friend owns a gun shop and he has a Ruger that blew up...Also on the 3rd round! Because of that, despite millions of Rugers sold, I won't buy one because I don't want the slide flying off and popping me in the teeth.
@wvnurse2007 Big difference between a steel slide, and cast pot metal. There are also revolvers that've blown top straps, 1911's that have gone ka-boom, etc. The difference is on a quality gun, it's a double charged round of ammo that does it- whereas on the Hi Point the cause couldn't be determined.
@lazyguy204 I showed the pictures plain as day in this video. I'm glad your pistol has functioned so well for you, I truly am. But given my experience I can't recommend a C9 as defensive sidearm. Too many owners say "it has a lifetime warranty" without realizing that that is only an acceptable excuse for a range toy- NEVER for a defensive gun.
I didn't mean under my name, but guns that I purchased from FFD, I live in Houston TX so no there isn't any registration here. If you do bad things like rob, murder and rape that makes you a criminal, I do not consider myself a criminal and never will, I don't give a fuck what some laws on paper say, I will not be judged according to what a mortal man says I am because of what I did or do, only God can do that. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.
Never HAVE to use it. Work on your terminology- it'll save you a lot of grief from the anti-gun crowd.
As for the long guns... You live where there's a registry? Because no guns are "in my name" in Arizona. Carrying a gun illegally DOES make you a criminal by it's very definition! "Illegal". That's not debatable. But I agree that it shouldn't. I'd love to see NFA 1934 and GCA 1968 both repealed.
Yeah. All this gun control shit pisses me off. The laws only apply to us honest citizens who LEGALY buy our weapons. The people who run around killing each other in the streets get there guns from illegal dealers.
Mmm, not entirely true. I read an article about a gentleman who payed cash at a Guns 'n' Ammo for several assault weapons. The same weapons were found months later in the hands of Mexican drug runners. All guns come from dealers who get them from manufacturers. So...
You probably don't see my point but if you lived what I have lived you would indeed understand. I have been around guns since about 10 years of age and own legal long guns under my name now. Just because I carry a gun illegally doesn't make me a criminal, I'm the good guy that will be joining the HPD when I get the chance, anyways peace out.
Had my brother buy it for me and I gave him the money, and yes I carry a gun with me even though I am not of proper age for a few reasons. Where I live isn't really a nice place, my home has been robed, I have been assaulted a number of times, and yes for no reason, I have been jumped by a group of skinheads, nazi or what ever and some other stuff in my family. I don't care if I get in some trouble, I will defend my life with whatever possible. And yes I am responsible with firearms.
That's illegal. It's called a straw purchase and your brother could go away for it. Please be careful.
I live in a rough neighborhood as well, so I sympathize. If you ever want some tips/training, PM me. I'll see if I can't network with somebody in your area.
I carry a S&W sigma with me, prob all the time untill I get a glock. I am getting a hi point for cheap fun plinking. I don't think it's a bad weapon and will stand by what I said and experienced . I understand your point of view and respect your experience and opinion. Just one question, what do you think of the maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun by mossberg.
The Sigma is good, functional gun. Finding a decent holster is a pain, but it's reliable and well-built.
The Maverick 88 is ok, as long as you don't have to get into the guts and fix it. It's close, but not identical to the Mossberg 500, so you can't use the same parts. I know the price is attractive, but if you go just a little higher for a Remington 870, you'll eliminate a lot of concerns.
I owned a hi point cf 380 and never had a single problem with it, not one. I just had to do some slight tweaking, which I have to say any fool can do. and has worked flawlessly. I am getting a 9mm hi point soon and I'm not gona let a few bad reviews change my mind on getting one, just why did you let those change yours. I've owned and shot other pistols and all work great. I'm not a gun snob or a gunsmith, but what I do know is that a weapon is only as good as the person that owns it.
Slight correction to your choice of words, if you don't mind- A weapon is only as effective as the person using it. "Good" and "effective" are two different things.
And no offense, but your profile says you're 18. You can't legally buy a handgun until you're 21. How did you come to own a 380?
I'm not here to flame you, just here to show my thoughts on this. I understand you had a bad experience shooting this weapon, and that you heard 2 negative stories about the gun. I would like to know if your bad experience and a couple of bad stories made you think that hi point is garbage. I'm not trying to say you said it was garbage, just want to know your opinion on hi point. There has been glocks, kimbers, S&W, that have had these problems but nobody has bashed on them.
It's everything you listed. It's got bad controls, too wide for carry, cheap magazines, the slide is literally pot metal, the magazine safety and slide lock both failed 50 percent of the time...
Shooting the gun was excellent, and lot of fun! It has a decent trigger, it's accurate enough, and recoil is mitigated by slide weight. It was FUN!
But realistically, we handle our guns administratively more than we ever shoot, and it's a miserable failure in every category outside of actually firing.
You shoot more than I do! I may still buy one of these things in the future, if for nothing more than to support the American industry. I was exposed to Hi-Point by LE men in Virginia. We were shooting up random stuff with AR's, and POP, out came a 995- I was impressed by it's exotic nature. A comment was made by the officer that He was introduced to Hi-Point rather unpleasantly by a criminal! Perhaps that particular pistol jammed like yours, allowing him to purchase his own! Take care.
Thanks for your response- putting all the foolish "fanboy" stuff aside, there seems to be a larger segment of reasonable, legitimate shooters that own hi-point pistols and are generally satisfied. millerusaf vids come to mind, as do a few others. Your experience is legitimate, and I'm grateful for your honesty. I do believe, however, you are in the minority. Keep posting these unmolested, experience based opinions. It's a valuable resource! I like watching this stuff!
I also put several thousand rounds downrange each year- also putting me in the minority, but where my opinions on guns come from. Millerusaf is a good guy- no doubt. But I also think he's in the minority as well. The "larger segment" who are satisfied with their Hi Points could cause us to debate about what a "legitimate" shooter is. LOL.
No offense intended to any one with this post- it truly is light-hearted.
hi man! thanks for posting this video, i really wanted to know if those guns had any bigger problems aside the jammings but if it exploded no way man, safety first. i had a question though did u by any chance shoot the C9 with a 9mm Luger? did it jam using a luger round?
9x19, Luger, Parabellum, etc. is all the Hi Point is chambered in. They're SAAMI-spec loads, different names for the same thing. You don't get into the weird stuff until .380, which is also called 9mm Kurz, Corto, 9x17... (Not 9x18, that's it's own round famously used in the Makarov.)
The only truly different 9mm I know is 9mm NATO, which is much hotter than SAAMI. We're talking +P+ levels of pressure at a minimum.
I wan to see PROOF on video of a Hi-Point exploding. Every gun snob insists they do, but there is not ONE documented bit of evidence (aside from a few tampered guns floating around Glock message boards) of a Hi-Point actually exploding.
In the internet meme: Video, or it never happened.
Calling Americans "cheap" because they choose to buy a Hi-Point is not really a fair statement.
I seriously doubt that Hi-Point would still be in business if their handguns were so prone to "blowing up" or "jamming" constantly like what most haters out there say.
If the are as terrible as what you; (floatingaxehead) have said, then they would have been sued by everyone out there that owned one; class-action baby!
I said people are cheap- I wasn't specific to Americans. Although I will say that shooters tend to be a frugal crowd, due to the nature of what we do. Look at reloading, for example. Or the guy who wants to haggle over the price of a gun.
As for the lawsuit? You can't sue for a shoddy product unless it's out-and-out dangerous. I mean, it's bought of one's own free will. And people who buy Hi Points out of budget issues probably don't hire lawyers...
I haven't fully formed my opinion about hi-point products yet- have you tried the carbine? Guys generally seem to like it, even fellows that dislike the pistols. Most professional reviews I've read grudgingly endorse the pistol as a decent low-cost option (a Shooting Times article is available widely on the net), and lots of credible guys shrug their shoulders and accept them. American made... super low cost,,, I guess I'd really like to like them! Maybe I should pick one up and see for myself.
The carbine DOES tend to review better, and I have no idea why. I don't care for pistol caliber carbines at all, though, so I'm not one to ask.
As for professional reviews? As in magazines? Let me ask you this- when's the last time you ever read a bad one? Seriously. A magazine has to appease advertisers to stay in business. And Hi Point might not advertise, but Charter Arms does- so you say nice things about Hi Point because it's the same parent company. (Same goes for anything, though.)
if you read through all the comments on the vids that put down hipoints you will see far more positive comments and notice only a few people put them down over and over.
if they are so bad how is hipoint stll around seeing as they have a life time no questions asked warranty, you would think if they were such POS guns everyone would send them back.
Because people are cheap. Look at all the Lorcins, Jennings, Brycos, etc... And then consider how few people ever take advantage of stuff like warranties. Heck, I'm offering a FREE GUN as a prize on my podcast, and I've only got around 6-7% of my listeners participating.
(Having said what I just did, I will freely say that you're better off with a HP than other guns mentioned. At least you can get it in a major caliber.)
@floatingaxehead i had posted a comment a few weeks ago and it was met with an honest answer. but my brother had bought a jennings 9mm and honestly i shoot the jennings more than my glock. just my 2 cents... btw jennings was made by the now fallen bryco arms.
range rentals are all junk. i have rented an XD and couldnt get a full mag through it for the life of me.
as far as hipoints yes they are cut some corners to keep cost down as far as fit and finish go. that is why you need a very good break in 250-500 rounds.
as far as the pic with the drop safety weight falling out of mag well there is na way that could happen unless it was taken apart and the lever on top removed.
By the way, genius, pot metal (two words) is any alloy of inexpensive, low melting point metals used for inexpensive castings. You know, like zinc, which is the primary component of "ZAMAK-3" slides.
Call me an ass all you want, because at least then you'd be correct. But "idiot"? Sorry, sir. I'm actually a Mensa member and probably a fair bit brighter than you. Have your ducks in a row before you insult somebody's intelligence.
The slide is made of ZAMAK-3, correct. Not "pot metal" as this "reviewer" calls it. Frankly I'm confused by the reviewer, who says it shoots well enough, but is a "failure" in an "administrative" sense? I suppose only those who have the ability to drop 700 to 1000 on a handgun deserve protection? A good quality pistol CAN be affordable, and I really don't think you get the purpose of the C9, since you can't impress your range buddies with it's price tag
Aside from where you went typical Hi Point owner and started name-calling and personal attacks, this was actually one of the best comments I've ever received! No kidding or sarcasm. I freely admit I overlooked the blowback design vs. delayed, and a kaboom from a double charge could behave entirely different in this design! Sincerely, thank you for pointing THAT out. Though I still don't understand why you guys name call when I didn't attack you personally- that over sensitivity is distasteful.
I have seen an ar15 blow up at the range, does this meen they are all shit? I also have had many other guns of all kinds malfunction. eg. glock, ruger, KelTec and S&W just to name a couple . the fact is every wepon will fail at some point, in one way or another. I am not saying that the wepon in question didnt fail, but it most likely wasn't the quality of the wepon that caused the the slide to come appart.
So hammer forged barrels aren't tougher? Chrome-lining or polygonal rifling makes no difference? Pinned vs. dove-tail sights?
It all makes a difference. The only question is whether or not you push your firearm to that limit, either in training or profession. Yes, they all fail eventually. But I'll pay more to have one with a failure part further from my ability to exceed, if this is something I'm going to stake my life on. And "ZAMAK-3" isn't steel...
And one more thing..on the broken HP that you show...the sear assembly and safety are the "broken" parts...those parts coming off without the entire gun exploding would be rather unlikely since they are directly UNDER the slide...yet the slide is fully intact... But yes, you can certainly make your mind about which guns you will buy, as you are a "big boy" now.
The slide isn't fully intact- the front face of it simply sheared off.
See, this is where Hi Point owners refuse to admit that you get what you pay for. While a Glock costs more, you also get things like a hammer forged barrel, which alone costs more than an entire C9. Whereas the Hi Point has a cast, pot metal slide.
There's something to be said for materials and processes used.
Oh, and I'll say it again - thanks for displaying the kind of character I've come to expect from DB gun snobs. You know, the kind that don't actually examine a weapon empirically, instead relying on whatever their endorsers have paid them to say...
I don't have any paid endorsers, and I like it that way. So when Ruger comes out with the LCR I can say it's cool, but when they debut a warmed over 10/22 with an AR-style stock I can also say it's dumb and not a viable trainer due to controls.
Empirically? The Hi Point is cheaply made, with bad controls, unreliable magazines, and a mag safe and slide stop that failed 50% of the time.
But you take a review of equipment personally and attack the person doing it. Again, stay classy, HP owners.
I have several name-brand (Ruger, Glock, SW) and military surplus pistols ..they jam as often as the Hi-points do. Which is to say often during the first hundred rounds or so...and then hardly ever after that (still waiting for a jam after the break-in period). But seriously, if you want to get rid of that Hi-point that you "tested", feel free to ship it to me..PM me for my address.
"Somebody who knew about one"....yes...that is great journalism Lou. I have seen Glocks, Rugers, Winchesters, etc jam/misfire/explode on the range...yet you don't have videos hating those (let's blame ammo companies/reloaders with hot loads instead, or whatever is convenient to your endorsers). I have 3 hi-points - 2 9mm pistols and 1 carbine. I have shot over 1000 rounds out of each weapon without having my teeth knocked out or passer-by's assailed.
I clearly showed this one with the slide failing. That's not an ammo issue, as ammo issues cause chamber to blow- clearly seen in any blown revolver or Glock Kaboom.
This failure was entirely separate from that- a slide made from cheap materials and processes simply giving up. Yeah, I'd say there's a difference.
I'm suprised HP hasnt gone out of buisiness from constantly repairing their junk that people send in. If they spent a little more money and made the guns better than they wouldn't need to spend so much repairing them. People who defend HP need to wake up and see that they're getting ripped off
Remington Model 770 barrel explosion .270 Win check this video out ... All man made items can malfunction . If so many HPs are blowing apart and jamming every other round why is your video the only one showing that ???? Gun snobs will never like Hipoint no matter what . You go spend $800 on a hand gun , I'll go spend $150 for a C9 and then with the left over money buy a semi-auto ak47 .
I didn't say so many were. But unlike kabooms caused by double charged rounds of ammo, I'm showing a gun that fell apart based solely on it's cheap components.
And I only spent $400 on my Glock, brand new, in April of '08 or '09.
Why do Hi Point fans always feel the need to call others "gun snobs" for pointing out you get what you pay for, then insisting other guns are more than they really are?
If Hi Points are so good, why hasn't a single professional agency adopted them?
$431.80 after tax is the LE price here (tax will differ elsewhere) and Glock will extend that to retired, military, EMT, etc. They also extend it to GSSF members, so you could buy an LE Glock (3 mags) for $435 easily.
You really think price and capacity are the only reasons PDs don't use Hi points? They're laying off city employees here- I'd say they would save on guns, if they could afford to.
And to be fair, the HP carbine isn't bad. But then, it's not zinc pot metal, either.
it's not the only reason but i've only got 500 characters to work with.
Haters & Fanboys are the same, two extremes at opposite ends of the spectrum.
no sane person would compare a HP to a HK.. no fair person would either.
Unfortunately most of us are'nt LE or military.
just shows well you understand their construction, although containing a high level of zinc the slides are actually made of zamak-3, the carbines use a zamak slide inside same as the pistols.
I didn't compare a HP to a HK. But there you go with an even higher dollar amount gun again, like HP fans do when complaining about price. HP fans insist they're "as good as" all the time- this was my response.
You overlooked the GSSF part of the LE pricing scheme. Anyone can get one.
ZAMAK-3 = fancy way of saying pot metal with zinc. Didn't realize there were HP armorers. LOL.
I'd say you're right on the haters and fanboys, though.
I'm just not a fan of Hi Points in general. Although the .40 and .45 get even bigger and unwieldy, they do seem to function a little bit better.
Having said that, I'm not particularly taken with the .40 S&W. Just personal preference, but I'd rather go 9mm or .45 as I find them both to be more controllable and shot placement is king over myths of "stopping power". The .40 works just fine- it simply wouldn't be my first choice.
i just bought the .40 from high point and its shoots great. i feel like robo-cop but its not bad its simple to clean and take care of, just wanted your opinion on the subject. thanks
i know you did'nt compare the HP to the HK.. i was simply stating that anyone who would compare HP against a higher dollar gun (hk was just one i used because of character limit)
is either an insane, or unfair person.
but you have to join the GSSF to get that discount, 35/1st year, which aint bad i admit but does add to the cost you sighted.
only specific dealers will accept the discount also.
ya and polymer is a fancy word for plastic.
zamak is'nt just zinc, just like steal is'nt just iron.
Well just shot 150 more rnds of ammo through my cf380 (independence ammo) no jams great accuracy , was shooting with 6 different guys with s&w and Taurus and all thought very highly of the ole Hipoint .
u don't make any sense floatingASShead...you have joined the nutnfancy douchebags of the world...doing reviews on guns you don't own...guns you havent fired...guns you have formed a prejudice against before firing....i've told you once and i'll say it again...boring yuppie garbage
And I'll say it again- thanks for displaying the kind of character I've come to expect from Hi Point owners. You know, the kind that resort to petty insults and personal attacks when I was talking about an object. Why take it so personal? But thanks for staying classy... LOL.
And I DID fire the gun. And I gave it credit for being a fun shooter, though you chose to ignore that. So you're pretty much a lying name-caller then, right?
My philosophy on a primary self defence gun is get what works for you from a quality manufacturer. Price really should not be a big consideration. I mean really, what is a couple hundred $ when it comes to your primary gun? A high end handgun is $1200. If you take it seriously you can do that. If a $500 gun works for you, great. If you get a $300 gun that dosen't work for you because $500 is to much, my view is you don't take it seriously. Come on people, find the extra $ to go with quality.
rofl you have got to love this guy he goes from saying, they're total pos.. oh but i wanna get one.
to oh they're totally pos cause i found 1 or 2 at different ranges that had problems.. right cause we know only hi-points have problems right? no other gun out there has a lemon or two right? and we also know how well range rentals are cared for right?
btw i've seen my fair share of glock ka-booms.. does'nt keep people from owning, shooting, and loving them.
It wasn't a range rental- no range around here will carry them. It also wasn't a kaboom- those happen from over pressure reloads and blow revolvers, 1911s, or ANY gun. On this one, the cheap POS zinc slide simply gave up.
As for getting one? When they only wholesale for $50, I still might. But I'll never trust it beyond being a range toy. Any gun that costs less than a tank of gas is nothing to depend on.
i see.. well it was sort of confusing because at first you say gunshop but then you say it happend at "their range" then you say on the north side of town "another range".. so i was expecting these to be rentals.. i sort of doubt the story about the one where it came back and hit the guy.. because there is a post that 1. retains the strikers charging spring.. and 2 keeps the slide form being able to move off the frame.
the gun would have to break in 2 separate places front AND back in order
im not saying the slide did'nt break.. what im saying is i highly doubt it happen the way you heard.. but then again by your own admission you did'nt dig to deeply into it.
im not trying to change your mind about hi-points if you dont like them.. you dont like them.. and its' no skin off my nose but it sounds like you'll leap at anything in order to rationalize your dislike of the gun(s) based on 2 cases with flakey details.
I like "Wild Women of Wongo", even though it's a terrible movie.
Similarly, I enjoyed shooting the Hi Point, but that doesn't mean it's not a piece of $#!t.
Let me ask you this in reply: Is EVERY other gun maker out there making overpriced guns and gouging the public? Do you really believe that, or might there be something worth paying for to have a different grade of manufacturing going into your pistol's production?
Honestly dont care if you like hi-points, further more i dont care if you like shooting it or not..
i was simply pointing out how you use 2 very vague incidents which you admittedly did'nt ask many questions about, you used it reinforce & rationalize your animosity towards HP's.
my point about the glock ka-booms was only that if 100,000 people have a gun and you find 2 cases of gun failures.. does'nt ruin the whole bunch, otherwise almost no gun would be worthy of owning.
@opisex Oh my, just look at a Hi point, you can tell it is not a high quality gun without even shooting it. That is not even going into the materials. It costs money for quality and Hi point just is not doing it. You just can not make a quality gun for $ 150. Even if you have one that works, that does not make it a quality gun.
if you're waiting for me to compare the hi-points construction to a high dollar gun.. it wont happen.
if you're waiting for me to say the gun falls apart in your hand.. that also wont happen the gun is very utilitarian but quite clever in it's construction imo..
the finish for example.. black powder coating.. completely ugly for a finsih but more durable then any finish i've ever seen.
i dropped mine down a flight of stairs.. it had nothing ot show for it's journey but some dry wall scuffs.
@opisexYou can see things like poor tolerances but the biggest problem is things you can't readily see. Like the carbon content in the steel. Can you see it before part of it shatters? Really, you can't come up with a few hundred to get a quality gun? A gun is not really an area to be chincy. Your safety and others safety are worth it. Not to mention how much more fun it is to shoot a good gun. Ammo is expensive. Enjoy it to the fullest.
the mistake you make is assuming i have just a hi-point i have others beretta, S&W, ruger, taurus truth be told my favorite handgun in the whole wide world is the beretta 92.. this does'nt mean i can't own a hi-point and it also does'nt mean i have to hate them either.
i would never compare the hi-point to a 500 or even 300 dollar gun, but they do work.
it's clear you never owned one or stripped one.
the design is very simple and imo clever, utilitarian for sure, very no frills.
@opisex I have been shooting with someone that had one once. They had constant problems with it and it rattled.
I enjoy going out to the desert and having a relaxing afternoon shooting. I don't want to be screwing with a gun to get it to work. There is a diff between inexpensive and cheap. I don't want a cheap gun. If yours works and you are ok with a cheap gun then more power to you. It is just not worth it to me.
the rattle is normal.. people think it's actually a broken part.. it's not.. it's the drop safety that sits inside the grip.
it can be seen in the mag well, it's a long bar running the length of the back strap that freely moves up and down.. this is so if the gun is dropped it wont fire by accident.
i had problems with my c9 mostly FTF.. after feed ramp polish, tweak mag lips, and got about 200 rounds in it has became pretty reliable.
that story has to be exagerated, if any of you knew how a hi-point was put together you'ed realize how unlikely such an event is..
goto hi-point's website, download the manual.. look specifically at part #8, slide retainer.
even if the front of the gun blew apart like a frag grenade this would keep it from flying back.. the gun would have to break in 2 places at the same time in order for this to happen. im not saying the front did'nt break im saying i highly doubt it hit the guy in the head.
For the record, I didn't dodge your comment- I quoted you directly in fact when you said I'd do anything to rationalize my dislike of Hi Points.
Then the gun must've broken in two places, 'cause I pulled the slide right off the back with no resistance whatsoever. So my apologies, but zinc pot metal ain't as strong as steel.
If you'd prefer more specifics on why I don't like the gun, I can go on about crappy controls, cheap magazines, etc. But I think it's been covered well enough.
you see the new carbine? Looks like they took the same junk gun and added new junk parts. the pistols are the best pure CINDER BLOCK with a pistol grip rofl omg
luv this gun when it fires,having problems with jams, an after firing first round,shell not chambering,also slide not locking open after last shell is fired, am i useing the wrong ammo,firing remington 9mm please help
I know the problem and it can be fixed in under a min. follow these simple steps. step1/ make sure the firearm is unloaded step2/ remove the slide step3/ with the slide in your left hand and the frame in your right walk to the nearest garbage can step 4/ drop both the slide and the frame in the garbage. You get what you pay for lol.
My buddy got the .45 and we went to the range and through fifty rounds the gun jammed about ten times. It is a piece of shit. He bought it because a guy at our work has a major hard on for these guns. Accuracy wasn't bad but function was terrible. It is also really heavy and as big as it is it only holds 9 rounds. Absolute garbage I am a gun snob and am proud. Give me my glock any day or at least something over 200 dollars.
it amazes me how passionate people get over suck a cheap gun. they act as if they have given birth to it. i had a jennings come apart in my hands once. it was a 9mm, and the little piece that holds the slide down broke. scared the shit out of me and my dad.. i will tell ya right now i am a gun snob. i own Glocks, Ruger, Desert Eagle. i would not let any of my family, or friends shoot a cheap gun.
i have two of them .9 and .380 for girl and both works good no jams only thing i dont like about it is the clip release its to close to the hand also i recomend putting grips on it
you are being too harsh, its like a lexus vs a grand am or a yugo, they are all the same thing, internal combustion, and take you from point a to b. LOL ok i cant lie anymore, we buy what we can afford and like cars our guns show how far we have come, to each their own, but just as a 10k car can NEVER perform & last as well as a 30k one, neither can a gun, NOT POSSIBLE, the cheap stuff will fail you at the end, hopefully not in the middle of the freeway, or as armed men bust into your house.
I could do a video about any semi auto hand gun failing. You are obviously a guy that does like them. Fine, that leaves more of them for people who aren't closed minded. I have over 1000 rounds through my c9 and 45 and have never had 1 problem. These guns will jam when limp wristed, so you would think a jag-off like you wouldn't have a problem.
You know what I like best about you Hi Point owners? How you always keep it classy and don't resort to baseless insults in the end of your comments. It makes you all seem so intelligent, and worthy of respect. Truly, somebody who's opinion should be weighed heavily, due to the careful consideration and analytical prowess you've displayed.
Yes, any semi auto pistol will fail. This one was just WAY more prone. And with lousy controls, and a broken slide? I can't recommend this to anyone. Sorry.
I also own different models, glocks, tauruses, rossis, and hi points. I still love shooting my hi point and they have never had jams. AND i think they look pretty cool. they dont look that much different than a glock. I showed a few friends and they thought the hi points were glocks.
It's amazing how controversial this firearm is. People need to stop agruing over it and realize that different people will form different opinions. There is no need to go at lengths to try to change someone on youtube of all places.
It's a 120-160 dollar gun that works for the most part (mine does). If you want to buy it, great. If you don't, great.
floatingaxehead had a bad experience with the C9. I had/have a good experience with the C9.
Odd. While the slide looks like it's possibly from a failure, the rest looks like you... disassembled it. Maybe you thought a gunsmith would never see your video or something?
In the future, you should probably be more careful about lying on the internet.
1. I didn't disassemble it, but I did find it at a local gun store, so I'll admit it's possible they may have. I honestly couldn't say.
2. You honestly expect me to believe people buy a $120 gun... and then pay a gunsmith more to work on 'em rather than buy a decent gun to begin with?
3. Don't you ever accuse me of lying. You don't know me, so I'll explain this very simply. I'm the guy who's telling you my name and podcast in every video, not hiding behind some stupid internet moniker.
I dont see why your hi point have parts falling out of it. It almost looks like a gunsmith or seller purposely setup the gun that way. If most of them were as trashy as yours they would be out of business.
my hi point works ok, jams here and there, good for plinking off rounds with some buddies, cheap and american made. Still, $500 is alot for someone making minimum wage, $139 is good price, especially with ammo costs.
You know what else is good for plinking at the range is you're concerned about ammo costs? A .22lr. It's so good, in fact, that if you were to buy a decent gun like a Ruger Mk.II or III, it would pay for itself in ammo costs savings with the first brick of 550 that you bought.
"American made." That's like excusing the Ford Pinto for being junk because it was made here. It worked, yeah, but is that enough reason to own one?
I have a Hi Point C9 and have ran over 1,800 rounds of wwb through with only two jams... The first time I shot it, I belive i was limp wristing it and the second time was teaching my girlfriend how to shoot... there again i am gonna blame limp wristing.... my C9 shoots as well as my S&W SW9VE... the only differance is i own one S&W i own two Hi Points...
Part 3: Are you Looking for a bargain or complaining about price. Is an extra $300 dollars worth peace of mind? Come on, ammo is expensivee anyways no matter what gun you own. You're going to spend hundreds of dollars on ammo and range fees. a good gun will last you the rest of your life and you only need 1 good gun.
Part 2: I only paid like $130 for the gun, and so I do not have the right to complain. I got what paid for. But I will tell you this, it is not a gun I would relie on with my life on the line. It is a good gun to own for other reasons like practice shooting, but not for primary self defense. Too much is rding on it, invest more money and make sure you get something you know will be there for you when you need it.
Part 1: I have heard so many opinions about this gun, it seems like everyone has an opinion,some love it and some hate it. Guess what: I own a hi point 380, I'm not going based on anyone's opinion or what so and so has heard, am the real deal. A high pont owner. Last weekend, I took it to the range for the first time. I tried 3 dif. types of ammo, blazer, remington and some generic stuff they cicle at the local range. The gun jammed on me with about 5 times with 150 rounds. 3 boxes.
I love my Hi-Point. It's got a lifetime warranty; it's made in America; and it cost a whopping $139. For someone who collects rifles and wanted a cheap pistol. It's great. Over 300 rounds and never had a jam.
300 rounds isn't even to the point where I would trust functionality for self defense or daily carry. I want 500 flawless at a minimum, plus 200 of my carry ammo. And the warranty doesn't matter if the gun fails when I need it.
It's all about mission requirements. I've come to accept that for the vast majority, a Hi Point will be just fine.
s197stangdragger you are calling glocks one of the cheapest guns around? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! Just what do you call a cheap gun? Last time I checked a glock sold for 5 to 6 hundred dollars. A Taurus beside the Hi Point is the cheapest. You saying the Glock is the cheapest gun tell's me one thing, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I got mine for $431 after tax- this was approx. March of 2009.
Having said that, you're still correct. Taurus, and a Smith & Wesson Sigma are both notably less expensive options. Then there's Kel-Tec, Ruger, etc...
+1 on a Ruger. My cousin bought a used P89 for his first handgun. That was 15 years ago, since then he's put 29k+ rounds through it and it's still in as new condition. Screw High Point, buy a used Ruger or surplus Argentinean 1911 (Ballester Molina or Sistema Colt or something like that).
I accept the fact HP is a low budget firearm, but I see way more videos of successful Hipoint firings here than I see explosions.. matter of fact, I haven seen any as of yet. If they blew up that often, Im thinking this would be one of the first places we would see it. So far, I havent seen one video of an HP blowing up or coming apart. If so then we all need to know about it. I will look around for evidence as it is a very low priced gun. Could it be older ones are more suspect?
Something else to be considered here is proper gun cleaning and maintenance. Brand name guns have also been known to blow up from either A: factory defect -or- B: lack of cleaning and maintenance. I have to wonder since the Hi-Point is more involved than usual to take down, do some owners put off cleaning too long? If so and it causes the gun to blow up, is it the guns fault or the owners?? Even a brand new gun should be taken down, inspected and cleaned before the first firing -- no?
where's proof of one blowing up i've never seen proof???
Mark12ga 1 week ago
@Mark12ga Apparently you haven't seen much in the way of punctuation or capitalization, either. ANY gun will "blow up" with a double charged round; just look at exploded revolvers, etc. This was a case where the cheap casting used for the slide simply fell apart. It happens to Walther P22s, as well. If you'd have actually watched the video, I have photos attached in a slide show. If you've never seen "proof", you've never looked for it.
floatingaxehead 1 week ago
@floatingaxehead watched your video again and still did not see proof of a hi point blowing apart as you said in the video i seen a hi point that had the sear assembly an the safety removed.If you think that a hi point will blow up in your hands i suggest you watch this Hi-Point Pistols The Ultimate Test Part 4: Judgement Day by Iraqveteran8888
Mark12ga 1 week ago
@Mark12ga The sear assembly and safety FELL out after the slide was no longer capable of staying on the gun. Look at the pics. The front of the slide simply failed.
Look, you'll find "proof" online for whatever you want to believe. I know Iraqveteran8888, we've discussed this. What he doesn't do is compete in IDPA, or take any real training classes like Thunder Ranch or Massad Ayoob Group. Do more real training rather than plinking and web surfing. You'll see for yourself.
floatingaxehead 1 week ago
@floatingaxehead well what ever my hi point has never blown up
Mark12ga 1 week ago
@floatingaxehead watch part 123 too
Mark12ga 1 week ago
You are making your opinions off of hearsay. How about you get the gun yourself, use it for a while, then make your comments. Because I have one and I prefer it over my 5-7.
ravidone1 1 month ago
@ravidone1 Hearsay? You must not have actually heard what I said or watched my first video. I spent time with the gun- and due to it's cheap, poorly made magazines causing stoppages with all ammo we tried I just can't recommend it for anything other than a plinker. And it's not a good plinker, because a quality .22 will pay for itself in ammo costs within 500 rounds. I have to wave the B.S. flag that you prefer this to a $1000 FN overpriced .22 magnum... Ever been to a real shooting school?
floatingaxehead 1 month ago
Thanks, Eric, for the review. Folks would like to believe there's a people's handgun out there, made in America for hardworking Americans who aren't rolling in dough, but the Hi-Point isn't it. My CCW instructor made a point of warning our class off the Hi-Points as cheap, inaccurate, jam-prone street guns used by thugs to kill police. I give you credit for trying to like the weapon for what it is. Too bad it's unreliable and unsafe. Truth is, making good firearms ain't cheap.
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@henry8smallwood It's still a fun plinker, but spending more on a nice .22 pistol will save you back the difference in ammo costs within 500 rounds. The magazine makes it too unreliable, regardless of ammo used as seen here. And it's too bulky to serve as a CCW gun. It would be great if this were truly "as good as" other pistols, but the fact is you get what you pay for. It's too bad...
floatingaxehead 1 month ago
you should do a review on a keltec p11.. mine is a piece of shit, but i hear most of em are well made..
HellbillyCuntryMusic 1 year ago
good choice with ruger. yes, hi-point is pretty reliable if you want it to jam
Milby20289394bc 1 year ago
its just a plinker, and its great for that purpose. you only pay 100 bucks and then you can get it repaired every time it breaks for free. you have to pay shipping, but alot of the time hi-point will give you a free magazine or something to compensate for that wich is cool. just dont expect a self defense pistol and you wont regret buying it. i plan on getting one eventually to add to my collection.
Ronald3570 1 year ago
@Ronald3570 You just hit the nail on the head, sir. A fun gun, but that is all. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with that as long as it's kept in context.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead ya i dont really agree with the people who use it for home defense. it might be working great for them right now, but if they practice with it alot (as you should with your self defense firearm) its eventually going to break down and need repairs. its just something that happens with these guns and you dont want that to happen the day you need it.
Ronald3570 1 year ago
This just goes to so you that any idiot with a computer can have a fancy "podcast". Have you ever heard of the term "lemon"? If it is man-made, you are going to have a few that just aren't right, no matter what brand you buy....Even the beloved Glock and S&W. Your bias because of one malfunctioning gun and your decision to buy cheap ammo is what makes your "podcast" a joke. what serious shooter shoots wolf ammo anyway? Looks to me like you were trying your best to foul the gun up.
xibowhunter 1 year ago
@xibowhunter I've tried my best to foul my Glock up, and it just keeps running. Hmm... This was more than one malfunctioning gun. And if you can't recognize the quality difference between cast pot metal and hammer forged steel, there's really nothing I can do to help you. But I'm glad you went for for calling me an idiot, rather than debate technical merits. For the record, I'm actually a Mensa member (#100257114), so have your ducks in a row before insulting someone lest you invalidate yourself
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead
OHHHH Mensa member. Well pardon me. Sorry, your poor review and lack of research still makes your review poor and uninformed. Go ahead, base your opinion on one gun and crappy ammo, that still makes your opinion a joke.
xibowhunter 1 year ago
@xibowhunter Once again- it was more than one gun. Lack of research? Look into the definition of pot metal, and whether or not zinc and Zamak-3 fit. Then look into steel, and hammer forged barrels. You can get all snooty and mad if you like, but the fact is a well made gun works better, and a Hi Point isn't a well made gun. Wolf may be crap ammo, but it feeds through everything else I own just fine. And if people are so cheap as to buy Hi Points, buying cheap ammo isn't a stretch.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead
I'll tell you what. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, buy a Hi Point, and do your own review. Your opinion may get a little more credible at that point. I'm sure you have $100 to spare somewhere, and that's all it will take. I'll gladly eat some crow if you can honestly give a good review. Until then, I can certainly keep pointing out your shoddy review with no worries. Sound fair?
xibowhunter 1 year ago
@xibowhunter I keep trying to convince my buddy at work to sell me his Hi Point so I can destroy it! LOL! Because if you saw my Glock videos, you know I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. You can keep calling it a shoddy review all you want, and I'm truly sorry if you somehow think that by me calling this pistol what it is (junk) that I'm passing judgment on you. It ain't personal. But I don't need to own a Yugo to know that they were poorly made, either.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
It's not just your opinion -- IT'S TRUE!!!!! Cheap guns suck.
LoversFashion 1 year ago
You could give a bit more than 2nd hand (now 3rd hand) information about alleged guns exploding to make your final decision. I mean every single pistol made has an anecdote about them exploding or failing catastrophically, usually with a distinct lack of detail (overpressure ammo?) or hard evidence.
Glocks have been dogged by such unsubstantiated allegations of going kaboom for decades now.
I mean if you believed every firearm myth you wouldn't want to use ANY!
Treblaine 1 year ago
@Treblaine It's true that a double charge will blow any gun. I've seen revolvers and 1911s that have gone kaboom.
But it doesn't take a lot of common sense to figure out that steel would be appreciably stronger than cast pot metal. That's where I'll place my bets.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead
Be reasonable, highly technical points such as the strength tolerances of die-cast metals requires more than "common sense". Remember with Glock people used to say "I'm not trusting MY life to a plastic pistol"!
Hi-point slides are made from Zamak 3, noted for it's high impact resistance it has a yield strength very similar to A36 steel (210-240 MPa). It's good for power-tools, compressors and auto-power-trains. 'Pot metal' is an antiquated term now considered pejorative.
Treblaine 1 year ago
@Treblaine Yes, pot metal can be considered a pejorative. It can also refer to a whole family of inexpesive metals with low melting points used in cheap casting processes. Like Zinc. Which is the primary ingredient in "Zamak 3". It is, by definition, a pot metal gun.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
I have a Glock on my bench at this very moment with a cracked slide, as there are a few models that were made with defective slides. Your opinion is based on ONE ISSUE! I know of hundreds of Hi-Point owners that have not had any issue, but evidently one issue is enough to give you an opinion. So, I will give you what I have seen in the past 2 days, 2 Glocks with cracked slides, a S&W Sigma with a broken extractor, Bushmaster AR with a broken bolt, Para 1911 with an undiagnosed trigger issue.
kenny474 1 year ago
I came to watch your other video, as you claimed I was misinformed. You still haven't shown me anything I haven't seen on numerous other brands of pistol. Where is the catastrophic failure? All you have is a pistol that was probably assembled improperly, or used +P+ ammo. I have seen worse on far nicer firearms. I fix broken guns for a living, and what I see is not a reason to pass a Hi Point.If so, I can name about every manufacturer to pass on, as they all have failures.
kenny474 1 year ago
I was looking at the hipoint carbine for a little plinker gun in the upcoming .45 version. Any thoughts or experiences on them?
richiestang78 1 year ago
1:06 AHahahahahah!
AfroSchmuck 1 year ago
ive got the smith and wesson super sigma...decent gun. only con is the 14 lbs triger pressure required to fire the weapon. i agree with you eric while shopping around with my father he was looking for a nice 9mm target pistol for my 15 birthday. we looked at high points we were close to getting onee untill i watched ur video. i will always be a berreta or sig sauer man at heart i subscribed please comment back with your suggestions or comments to my decision
WhiteWidow904 1 year ago
@WhiteWidow904 I think you bought a solid, inexpensive but not cheap handgun. Are there "nicer" ones? Sure. But you got a solid value and decent performer, and I applaud you for it. Take the money you saved on the Sigma vs. a Sig and buy a good holster, lots of ammo, and train! I'd say you're on the right track.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
If Hi-Point made such a dangerous product; does anyone honestly believe that every regulatory branch of the federal government would not have eagerly jumped on their case and sued them right into he stone-age?
Funny how all we ever see in these videos is just a still picture and a comment "see that", "look here" or "I told you so". You don;t prove anything in a court of law by saying "well I heard that this" or "I heard from my friend that had a "hi-point"......Um, no.
Hellsredeemer 1 year ago
Funny how people say Hi-Points are so dangerous in that they explode in your face and yet all we ever see or hear is the rantings of a few people and .......................hang on a second lets be real here; if these guns are sooooooooooooooooooo dangerous; then why is Hi-Point still is business?
They would of been sued into the stone age if their guns were as dangerous as people make them out to be.
Hellsredeemer 1 year ago
Secondly: I suspect the reason that you were able to find a broken Hi-point was because your dealer (or friend or whatev) jumped at the chance to hold onto a broken hi-point to show off. If you reason this out, you are less likely to find a Kimber, because no one suspects that they're crappy, and also they're expensive, so even a broken one is worth holding onto and fixing or selling for parts, or scrapping, which would leave no evidence. But a Hi-point? Sure give it away, it was cheap anyhow
travislikeafox 1 year ago
@travislikeafox To be fair, I've seen LOTS of failures in Para 1911s, a pricier gun, and wouldn't recommend them, either. I also recommend against a Kimber, for that matter- they don't run to acceptable levels out of the box, chambers are too tight for defensive use, and the Series II firing pin block is a flawed setup, imho.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead
series II kimbers are nothing but headache, I have a series I grand raptor which is awesome, got rid of my ultra carry II, it was a waste of money, im off kimbers for good, bought a sig c3 1911, its been flawless. german quality control, its sad that most of the guns I own now are made in germany, austria, but in all honesty, who can beat Glock, Sig or HK in quality durability and value? no one IMHO
JackSureshot 1 year ago
@JackSureshot I agree 100%. I've since traded my Series II Kimber for an SIS without the Schwartz style block, and don't recommend that brand. SIGs can be nice, but I recommend getting the German made ones, prior to 2005. Even they are having a lot of QC issues now, since being made in the USA. So sad... The HK45 is US-made if I recall, and that one is superb. I just can't justify the price tag right now... But someday. LOL.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
One more comment. It seems like your final decision to say "nay" to this weapon was the slide failures you discovered. Two things: first, since most people regard Hi-Point as a cheap gun, failures are much more likely to be reported, because people who have already cast judgement will want evidence linking low cost to crappy performance. Consciously or subconsciously, people want the gun to fail so they can say, "See! Look!"
travislikeafox 1 year ago
Something to add, which I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that it seems like over 1/2 of the reviews I read from owners who LIKE the gun, the owner has mentioned that they have had feed problems. These problems had to be fixed (as per manufacturers direction) by polishing the gate with a dremel tool. I'm not going to buy a gun that I need to do my own machining on, that's just one step too far. I wouldn't buy an alarm clock I have to work on, much less a gun! Pipe bomb waiting to happen!
travislikeafox 1 year ago
Interesting...I also know of a guy who's friend owns a gun shop and he has a Ruger that blew up...Also on the 3rd round! Because of that, despite millions of Rugers sold, I won't buy one because I don't want the slide flying off and popping me in the teeth.
wvnurse2007 1 year ago
@wvnurse2007 Big difference between a steel slide, and cast pot metal. There are also revolvers that've blown top straps, 1911's that have gone ka-boom, etc. The difference is on a quality gun, it's a double charged round of ammo that does it- whereas on the Hi Point the cause couldn't be determined.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
i have the 380, i hope that doesent happen 2 me!!
gpjr84 1 year ago
proof, where is the proof!!! i have one i have fired 1000 rounds prove it!!!!!!!
lazyguy204 1 year ago
@lazyguy204 I showed the pictures plain as day in this video. I'm glad your pistol has functioned so well for you, I truly am. But given my experience I can't recommend a C9 as defensive sidearm. Too many owners say "it has a lifetime warranty" without realizing that that is only an acceptable excuse for a range toy- NEVER for a defensive gun.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
How many haven't blown up?
luftwaffles1000 1 year ago
@luftwaffles1000 That's a VERY fair way of putting it. Touche, sir.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
I didn't mean under my name, but guns that I purchased from FFD, I live in Houston TX so no there isn't any registration here. If you do bad things like rob, murder and rape that makes you a criminal, I do not consider myself a criminal and never will, I don't give a fuck what some laws on paper say, I will not be judged according to what a mortal man says I am because of what I did or do, only God can do that. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.
crest2598 2 years ago
Didn't read your last comment before I wrote my previous one, you do see my point, anyways I hope I never get to use my weapon in self defense.
crest2598 2 years ago
Never HAVE to use it. Work on your terminology- it'll save you a lot of grief from the anti-gun crowd.
As for the long guns... You live where there's a registry? Because no guns are "in my name" in Arizona. Carrying a gun illegally DOES make you a criminal by it's very definition! "Illegal". That's not debatable. But I agree that it shouldn't. I'd love to see NFA 1934 and GCA 1968 both repealed.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Yeah. All this gun control shit pisses me off. The laws only apply to us honest citizens who LEGALY buy our weapons. The people who run around killing each other in the streets get there guns from illegal dealers.
trelewis3 2 years ago
Great point.
athfcoz 2 years ago
Mmm, not entirely true. I read an article about a gentleman who payed cash at a Guns 'n' Ammo for several assault weapons. The same weapons were found months later in the hands of Mexican drug runners. All guns come from dealers who get them from manufacturers. So...
travislikeafox 1 year ago
You probably don't see my point but if you lived what I have lived you would indeed understand. I have been around guns since about 10 years of age and own legal long guns under my name now. Just because I carry a gun illegally doesn't make me a criminal, I'm the good guy that will be joining the HPD when I get the chance, anyways peace out.
crest2598 2 years ago
Had my brother buy it for me and I gave him the money, and yes I carry a gun with me even though I am not of proper age for a few reasons. Where I live isn't really a nice place, my home has been robed, I have been assaulted a number of times, and yes for no reason, I have been jumped by a group of skinheads, nazi or what ever and some other stuff in my family. I don't care if I get in some trouble, I will defend my life with whatever possible. And yes I am responsible with firearms.
crest2598 2 years ago
That's illegal. It's called a straw purchase and your brother could go away for it. Please be careful.
I live in a rough neighborhood as well, so I sympathize. If you ever want some tips/training, PM me. I'll see if I can't network with somebody in your area.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I carry a S&W sigma with me, prob all the time untill I get a glock. I am getting a hi point for cheap fun plinking. I don't think it's a bad weapon and will stand by what I said and experienced . I understand your point of view and respect your experience and opinion. Just one question, what do you think of the maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun by mossberg.
crest2598 2 years ago
The Sigma is good, functional gun. Finding a decent holster is a pain, but it's reliable and well-built.
The Maverick 88 is ok, as long as you don't have to get into the guts and fix it. It's close, but not identical to the Mossberg 500, so you can't use the same parts. I know the price is attractive, but if you go just a little higher for a Remington 870, you'll eliminate a lot of concerns.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I owned a hi point cf 380 and never had a single problem with it, not one. I just had to do some slight tweaking, which I have to say any fool can do. and has worked flawlessly. I am getting a 9mm hi point soon and I'm not gona let a few bad reviews change my mind on getting one, just why did you let those change yours. I've owned and shot other pistols and all work great. I'm not a gun snob or a gunsmith, but what I do know is that a weapon is only as good as the person that owns it.
crest2598 2 years ago
Slight correction to your choice of words, if you don't mind- A weapon is only as effective as the person using it. "Good" and "effective" are two different things.
And no offense, but your profile says you're 18. You can't legally buy a handgun until you're 21. How did you come to own a 380?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I'm not here to flame you, just here to show my thoughts on this. I understand you had a bad experience shooting this weapon, and that you heard 2 negative stories about the gun. I would like to know if your bad experience and a couple of bad stories made you think that hi point is garbage. I'm not trying to say you said it was garbage, just want to know your opinion on hi point. There has been glocks, kimbers, S&W, that have had these problems but nobody has bashed on them.
crest2598 2 years ago
It's everything you listed. It's got bad controls, too wide for carry, cheap magazines, the slide is literally pot metal, the magazine safety and slide lock both failed 50 percent of the time...
Shooting the gun was excellent, and lot of fun! It has a decent trigger, it's accurate enough, and recoil is mitigated by slide weight. It was FUN!
But realistically, we handle our guns administratively more than we ever shoot, and it's a miserable failure in every category outside of actually firing.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
So I would say it's a good range toy, but nothing I could ever recommend as a personal defense choice.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
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You shoot more than I do! I may still buy one of these things in the future, if for nothing more than to support the American industry. I was exposed to Hi-Point by LE men in Virginia. We were shooting up random stuff with AR's, and POP, out came a 995- I was impressed by it's exotic nature. A comment was made by the officer that He was introduced to Hi-Point rather unpleasantly by a criminal! Perhaps that particular pistol jammed like yours, allowing him to purchase his own! Take care.
yhckelly 2 years ago
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yhckelly 2 years ago
Thanks for your response- putting all the foolish "fanboy" stuff aside, there seems to be a larger segment of reasonable, legitimate shooters that own hi-point pistols and are generally satisfied. millerusaf vids come to mind, as do a few others. Your experience is legitimate, and I'm grateful for your honesty. I do believe, however, you are in the minority. Keep posting these unmolested, experience based opinions. It's a valuable resource! I like watching this stuff!
yhckelly 2 years ago
I also put several thousand rounds downrange each year- also putting me in the minority, but where my opinions on guns come from. Millerusaf is a good guy- no doubt. But I also think he's in the minority as well. The "larger segment" who are satisfied with their Hi Points could cause us to debate about what a "legitimate" shooter is. LOL.
No offense intended to any one with this post- it truly is light-hearted.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
hi man! thanks for posting this video, i really wanted to know if those guns had any bigger problems aside the jammings but if it exploded no way man, safety first. i had a question though did u by any chance shoot the C9 with a 9mm Luger? did it jam using a luger round?
dozzy000 2 years ago
9x19, Luger, Parabellum, etc. is all the Hi Point is chambered in. They're SAAMI-spec loads, different names for the same thing. You don't get into the weird stuff until .380, which is also called 9mm Kurz, Corto, 9x17... (Not 9x18, that's it's own round famously used in the Makarov.)
The only truly different 9mm I know is 9mm NATO, which is much hotter than SAAMI. We're talking +P+ levels of pressure at a minimum.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
@dozzy000
I wan to see PROOF on video of a Hi-Point exploding. Every gun snob insists they do, but there is not ONE documented bit of evidence (aside from a few tampered guns floating around Glock message boards) of a Hi-Point actually exploding.
In the internet meme: Video, or it never happened.
neothespian 1 year ago
Calling Americans "cheap" because they choose to buy a Hi-Point is not really a fair statement.
I seriously doubt that Hi-Point would still be in business if their handguns were so prone to "blowing up" or "jamming" constantly like what most haters out there say.
If the are as terrible as what you; (floatingaxehead) have said, then they would have been sued by everyone out there that owned one; class-action baby!
Hellsredeemer 2 years ago
I said people are cheap- I wasn't specific to Americans. Although I will say that shooters tend to be a frugal crowd, due to the nature of what we do. Look at reloading, for example. Or the guy who wants to haggle over the price of a gun.
As for the lawsuit? You can't sue for a shoddy product unless it's out-and-out dangerous. I mean, it's bought of one's own free will. And people who buy Hi Points out of budget issues probably don't hire lawyers...
No offense intended, honest.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I haven't fully formed my opinion about hi-point products yet- have you tried the carbine? Guys generally seem to like it, even fellows that dislike the pistols. Most professional reviews I've read grudgingly endorse the pistol as a decent low-cost option (a Shooting Times article is available widely on the net), and lots of credible guys shrug their shoulders and accept them. American made... super low cost,,, I guess I'd really like to like them! Maybe I should pick one up and see for myself.
yhckelly 2 years ago
The carbine DOES tend to review better, and I have no idea why. I don't care for pistol caliber carbines at all, though, so I'm not one to ask.
As for professional reviews? As in magazines? Let me ask you this- when's the last time you ever read a bad one? Seriously. A magazine has to appease advertisers to stay in business. And Hi Point might not advertise, but Charter Arms does- so you say nice things about Hi Point because it's the same parent company. (Same goes for anything, though.)
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
if you read through all the comments on the vids that put down hipoints you will see far more positive comments and notice only a few people put them down over and over.
if they are so bad how is hipoint stll around seeing as they have a life time no questions asked warranty, you would think if they were such POS guns everyone would send them back.
cbr6864 2 years ago
"if they are so bad how is hipoint stll around"
Because people are cheap. Look at all the Lorcins, Jennings, Brycos, etc... And then consider how few people ever take advantage of stuff like warranties. Heck, I'm offering a FREE GUN as a prize on my podcast, and I've only got around 6-7% of my listeners participating.
(Having said what I just did, I will freely say that you're better off with a HP than other guns mentioned. At least you can get it in a major caliber.)
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
@floatingaxehead i had posted a comment a few weeks ago and it was met with an honest answer. but my brother had bought a jennings 9mm and honestly i shoot the jennings more than my glock. just my 2 cents... btw jennings was made by the now fallen bryco arms.
kyubbinaru 2 years ago
range rentals are all junk. i have rented an XD and couldnt get a full mag through it for the life of me.
as far as hipoints yes they are cut some corners to keep cost down as far as fit and finish go. that is why you need a very good break in 250-500 rounds.
as far as the pic with the drop safety weight falling out of mag well there is na way that could happen unless it was taken apart and the lever on top removed.
i like your other vids though
cbr6864 2 years ago
LOL. Does this idiot actually know what potmetal is? lol Its NOT used in guns.
A little tid bit of info. This guy is VERY close with people from Sturm, Ruger & Co.
Just FYI.
Put 2 and 2 together. Adding in the lack of video evidence, and very dark photographs where nothing is evident, but everything is apparently assumed.
Hipoints work, and for much less than the comp. So it stands to reason, that the competition will work hard to keep you from buying any. Wake up. lol
Just1Spark 2 years ago
I'm "very close with Ruger"?!?! LOL. You obviously don't listen to my podcast, where I've bashed a few of their guns.
See, I don't have ANY sponsors. That lets me say honestly what guns I find work well, and which are all hype.
So you think the competition works hard to keep you from buying Hi Points? Again, LOL. Your tin foil hat is showing.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
By the way, genius, pot metal (two words) is any alloy of inexpensive, low melting point metals used for inexpensive castings. You know, like zinc, which is the primary component of "ZAMAK-3" slides.
Call me an ass all you want, because at least then you'd be correct. But "idiot"? Sorry, sir. I'm actually a Mensa member and probably a fair bit brighter than you. Have your ducks in a row before you insult somebody's intelligence.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
so the C9's slide i bet is made of ZAMAK-3 ,right? is it correct?
dozzy000 2 years ago
@dozzy000
The slide is made of ZAMAK-3, correct. Not "pot metal" as this "reviewer" calls it. Frankly I'm confused by the reviewer, who says it shoots well enough, but is a "failure" in an "administrative" sense? I suppose only those who have the ability to drop 700 to 1000 on a handgun deserve protection? A good quality pistol CAN be affordable, and I really don't think you get the purpose of the C9, since you can't impress your range buddies with it's price tag
neothespian 1 year ago
I wouldn't use Mensa as proof of your intelligence or expertise, man. I mean, clearly you know your stuff, but Mensa is for self-masturbaters.
travislikeafox 1 year ago
Just one question, what kind of ammo was he using when the gun came appart?
do you know?
Didn't think so.
this looks to me as a hot load caused the problem, and not the gun.
satansangel114 2 years ago
Aside from where you went typical Hi Point owner and started name-calling and personal attacks, this was actually one of the best comments I've ever received! No kidding or sarcasm. I freely admit I overlooked the blowback design vs. delayed, and a kaboom from a double charge could behave entirely different in this design! Sincerely, thank you for pointing THAT out. Though I still don't understand why you guys name call when I didn't attack you personally- that over sensitivity is distasteful.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
sir you are an idiot!
I have seen an ar15 blow up at the range, does this meen they are all shit? I also have had many other guns of all kinds malfunction. eg. glock, ruger, KelTec and S&W just to name a couple . the fact is every wepon will fail at some point, in one way or another. I am not saying that the wepon in question didnt fail, but it most likely wasn't the quality of the wepon that caused the the slide to come appart.
satansangel114 2 years ago
"Wasn't the quality of the weapon"?
So hammer forged barrels aren't tougher? Chrome-lining or polygonal rifling makes no difference? Pinned vs. dove-tail sights?
It all makes a difference. The only question is whether or not you push your firearm to that limit, either in training or profession. Yes, they all fail eventually. But I'll pay more to have one with a failure part further from my ability to exceed, if this is something I'm going to stake my life on. And "ZAMAK-3" isn't steel...
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
And one more thing..on the broken HP that you show...the sear assembly and safety are the "broken" parts...those parts coming off without the entire gun exploding would be rather unlikely since they are directly UNDER the slide...yet the slide is fully intact... But yes, you can certainly make your mind about which guns you will buy, as you are a "big boy" now.
murphyreedus 2 years ago
The slide isn't fully intact- the front face of it simply sheared off.
See, this is where Hi Point owners refuse to admit that you get what you pay for. While a Glock costs more, you also get things like a hammer forged barrel, which alone costs more than an entire C9. Whereas the Hi Point has a cast, pot metal slide.
There's something to be said for materials and processes used.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Oh, and I'll say it again - thanks for displaying the kind of character I've come to expect from DB gun snobs. You know, the kind that don't actually examine a weapon empirically, instead relying on whatever their endorsers have paid them to say...
murphyreedus 2 years ago
I don't have any paid endorsers, and I like it that way. So when Ruger comes out with the LCR I can say it's cool, but when they debut a warmed over 10/22 with an AR-style stock I can also say it's dumb and not a viable trainer due to controls.
Empirically? The Hi Point is cheaply made, with bad controls, unreliable magazines, and a mag safe and slide stop that failed 50% of the time.
But you take a review of equipment personally and attack the person doing it. Again, stay classy, HP owners.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I have several name-brand (Ruger, Glock, SW) and military surplus pistols ..they jam as often as the Hi-points do. Which is to say often during the first hundred rounds or so...and then hardly ever after that (still waiting for a jam after the break-in period). But seriously, if you want to get rid of that Hi-point that you "tested", feel free to ship it to me..PM me for my address.
murphyreedus 2 years ago
"Somebody who knew about one"....yes...that is great journalism Lou. I have seen Glocks, Rugers, Winchesters, etc jam/misfire/explode on the range...yet you don't have videos hating those (let's blame ammo companies/reloaders with hot loads instead, or whatever is convenient to your endorsers). I have 3 hi-points - 2 9mm pistols and 1 carbine. I have shot over 1000 rounds out of each weapon without having my teeth knocked out or passer-by's assailed.
murphyreedus 2 years ago
I clearly showed this one with the slide failing. That's not an ammo issue, as ammo issues cause chamber to blow- clearly seen in any blown revolver or Glock Kaboom.
This failure was entirely separate from that- a slide made from cheap materials and processes simply giving up. Yeah, I'd say there's a difference.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
The Mexican for real! LOL On a good note. You dont have to worry about how to field strip it since it does itself after each shot.
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago
I'm suprised HP hasnt gone out of buisiness from constantly repairing their junk that people send in. If they spent a little more money and made the guns better than they wouldn't need to spend so much repairing them. People who defend HP need to wake up and see that they're getting ripped off
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
Remington Model 770 barrel explosion .270 Win check this video out ... All man made items can malfunction . If so many HPs are blowing apart and jamming every other round why is your video the only one showing that ???? Gun snobs will never like Hipoint no matter what . You go spend $800 on a hand gun , I'll go spend $150 for a C9 and then with the left over money buy a semi-auto ak47 .
Proedge352 2 years ago
I didn't say so many were. But unlike kabooms caused by double charged rounds of ammo, I'm showing a gun that fell apart based solely on it's cheap components.
And I only spent $400 on my Glock, brand new, in April of '08 or '09.
Why do Hi Point fans always feel the need to call others "gun snobs" for pointing out you get what you pay for, then insisting other guns are more than they really are?
If Hi Points are so good, why hasn't a single professional agency adopted them?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
400 for a NIB glock? where? i see them for 499 without night sights around here.. never less then that NIB.
no one has adopted hi-points for one their capacity is low, and PD's are'nt so cash strapped they need to go with hi-points.
glock has a long reputation of giving LE juicy deals on their weapons also, they're not paying retail.
there was reports of the HP carbines being used by some LE during katrina though.
opisex 2 years ago
$431.80 after tax is the LE price here (tax will differ elsewhere) and Glock will extend that to retired, military, EMT, etc. They also extend it to GSSF members, so you could buy an LE Glock (3 mags) for $435 easily.
You really think price and capacity are the only reasons PDs don't use Hi points? They're laying off city employees here- I'd say they would save on guns, if they could afford to.
And to be fair, the HP carbine isn't bad. But then, it's not zinc pot metal, either.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
it's not the only reason but i've only got 500 characters to work with.
Haters & Fanboys are the same, two extremes at opposite ends of the spectrum.
no sane person would compare a HP to a HK.. no fair person would either.
Unfortunately most of us are'nt LE or military.
just shows well you understand their construction, although containing a high level of zinc the slides are actually made of zamak-3, the carbines use a zamak slide inside same as the pistols.
carbines are Zinc PoS also :P
opisex 2 years ago
I didn't compare a HP to a HK. But there you go with an even higher dollar amount gun again, like HP fans do when complaining about price. HP fans insist they're "as good as" all the time- this was my response.
You overlooked the GSSF part of the LE pricing scheme. Anyone can get one.
ZAMAK-3 = fancy way of saying pot metal with zinc. Didn't realize there were HP armorers. LOL.
I'd say you're right on the haters and fanboys, though.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
so what do you think of the HP .40 cal?
kyubbinaru 2 years ago
I'm just not a fan of Hi Points in general. Although the .40 and .45 get even bigger and unwieldy, they do seem to function a little bit better.
Having said that, I'm not particularly taken with the .40 S&W. Just personal preference, but I'd rather go 9mm or .45 as I find them both to be more controllable and shot placement is king over myths of "stopping power". The .40 works just fine- it simply wouldn't be my first choice.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
i just bought the .40 from high point and its shoots great. i feel like robo-cop but its not bad its simple to clean and take care of, just wanted your opinion on the subject. thanks
kyubbinaru 2 years ago
i know you did'nt compare the HP to the HK.. i was simply stating that anyone who would compare HP against a higher dollar gun (hk was just one i used because of character limit)
is either an insane, or unfair person.
but you have to join the GSSF to get that discount, 35/1st year, which aint bad i admit but does add to the cost you sighted.
only specific dealers will accept the discount also.
ya and polymer is a fancy word for plastic.
zamak is'nt just zinc, just like steal is'nt just iron.
opisex 2 years ago
Well just shot 150 more rnds of ammo through my cf380 (independence ammo) no jams great accuracy , was shooting with 6 different guys with s&w and Taurus and all thought very highly of the ole Hipoint .
Proedge352 2 years ago
u don't make any sense floatingASShead...you have joined the nutnfancy douchebags of the world...doing reviews on guns you don't own...guns you havent fired...guns you have formed a prejudice against before firing....i've told you once and i'll say it again...boring yuppie garbage
maciverandy 2 years ago
And I'll say it again- thanks for displaying the kind of character I've come to expect from Hi Point owners. You know, the kind that resort to petty insults and personal attacks when I was talking about an object. Why take it so personal? But thanks for staying classy... LOL.
And I DID fire the gun. And I gave it credit for being a fun shooter, though you chose to ignore that. So you're pretty much a lying name-caller then, right?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
My philosophy on a primary self defence gun is get what works for you from a quality manufacturer. Price really should not be a big consideration. I mean really, what is a couple hundred $ when it comes to your primary gun? A high end handgun is $1200. If you take it seriously you can do that. If a $500 gun works for you, great. If you get a $300 gun that dosen't work for you because $500 is to much, my view is you don't take it seriously. Come on people, find the extra $ to go with quality.
shananagans5 2 years ago
rofl you have got to love this guy he goes from saying, they're total pos.. oh but i wanna get one.
to oh they're totally pos cause i found 1 or 2 at different ranges that had problems.. right cause we know only hi-points have problems right? no other gun out there has a lemon or two right? and we also know how well range rentals are cared for right?
btw i've seen my fair share of glock ka-booms.. does'nt keep people from owning, shooting, and loving them.
opisex 2 years ago
It wasn't a range rental- no range around here will carry them. It also wasn't a kaboom- those happen from over pressure reloads and blow revolvers, 1911s, or ANY gun. On this one, the cheap POS zinc slide simply gave up.
As for getting one? When they only wholesale for $50, I still might. But I'll never trust it beyond being a range toy. Any gun that costs less than a tank of gas is nothing to depend on.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
i see.. well it was sort of confusing because at first you say gunshop but then you say it happend at "their range" then you say on the north side of town "another range".. so i was expecting these to be rentals.. i sort of doubt the story about the one where it came back and hit the guy.. because there is a post that 1. retains the strikers charging spring.. and 2 keeps the slide form being able to move off the frame.
the gun would have to break in 2 separate places front AND back in order
opisex 2 years ago
for it to beable to fly back and hit someone..
im not saying the slide did'nt break.. what im saying is i highly doubt it happen the way you heard.. but then again by your own admission you did'nt dig to deeply into it.
im not trying to change your mind about hi-points if you dont like them.. you dont like them.. and its' no skin off my nose but it sounds like you'll leap at anything in order to rationalize your dislike of the gun(s) based on 2 cases with flakey details.
opisex 2 years ago
"Leap at anything to rationalize my dislike?"
I like "Wild Women of Wongo", even though it's a terrible movie.
Similarly, I enjoyed shooting the Hi Point, but that doesn't mean it's not a piece of $#!t.
Let me ask you this in reply: Is EVERY other gun maker out there making overpriced guns and gouging the public? Do you really believe that, or might there be something worth paying for to have a different grade of manufacturing going into your pistol's production?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
dodging my comment.
Honestly dont care if you like hi-points, further more i dont care if you like shooting it or not..
i was simply pointing out how you use 2 very vague incidents which you admittedly did'nt ask many questions about, you used it reinforce & rationalize your animosity towards HP's.
my point about the glock ka-booms was only that if 100,000 people have a gun and you find 2 cases of gun failures.. does'nt ruin the whole bunch, otherwise almost no gun would be worthy of owning.
opisex 2 years ago
@opisex Oh my, just look at a Hi point, you can tell it is not a high quality gun without even shooting it. That is not even going into the materials. It costs money for quality and Hi point just is not doing it. You just can not make a quality gun for $ 150. Even if you have one that works, that does not make it a quality gun.
shananagans5 2 years ago
if you're waiting for me to compare the hi-points construction to a high dollar gun.. it wont happen.
if you're waiting for me to say the gun falls apart in your hand.. that also wont happen the gun is very utilitarian but quite clever in it's construction imo..
the finish for example.. black powder coating.. completely ugly for a finsih but more durable then any finish i've ever seen.
i dropped mine down a flight of stairs.. it had nothing ot show for it's journey but some dry wall scuffs.
opisex 2 years ago
@opisexYou can see things like poor tolerances but the biggest problem is things you can't readily see. Like the carbon content in the steel. Can you see it before part of it shatters? Really, you can't come up with a few hundred to get a quality gun? A gun is not really an area to be chincy. Your safety and others safety are worth it. Not to mention how much more fun it is to shoot a good gun. Ammo is expensive. Enjoy it to the fullest.
shananagans5 2 years ago
the mistake you make is assuming i have just a hi-point i have others beretta, S&W, ruger, taurus truth be told my favorite handgun in the whole wide world is the beretta 92.. this does'nt mean i can't own a hi-point and it also does'nt mean i have to hate them either.
i would never compare the hi-point to a 500 or even 300 dollar gun, but they do work.
it's clear you never owned one or stripped one.
the design is very simple and imo clever, utilitarian for sure, very no frills.
opisex 2 years ago
@opisex I have been shooting with someone that had one once. They had constant problems with it and it rattled.
I enjoy going out to the desert and having a relaxing afternoon shooting. I don't want to be screwing with a gun to get it to work. There is a diff between inexpensive and cheap. I don't want a cheap gun. If yours works and you are ok with a cheap gun then more power to you. It is just not worth it to me.
shananagans5 2 years ago
the rattle is normal.. people think it's actually a broken part.. it's not.. it's the drop safety that sits inside the grip.
it can be seen in the mag well, it's a long bar running the length of the back strap that freely moves up and down.. this is so if the gun is dropped it wont fire by accident.
i had problems with my c9 mostly FTF.. after feed ramp polish, tweak mag lips, and got about 200 rounds in it has became pretty reliable.
kimber is also known for out of the box problems.
opisex 2 years ago
A glock kb dosent fly back and hit you in the face. Have fun with that c9 boy and a black eye.
Kopis1911 2 years ago
that story has to be exagerated, if any of you knew how a hi-point was put together you'ed realize how unlikely such an event is..
goto hi-point's website, download the manual.. look specifically at part #8, slide retainer.
even if the front of the gun blew apart like a frag grenade this would keep it from flying back.. the gun would have to break in 2 places at the same time in order for this to happen. im not saying the front did'nt break im saying i highly doubt it hit the guy in the head.
opisex 2 years ago
Point taken. I too would have liked to see more concrete evidence to support those claims.
Kopis1911 2 years ago
For the record, I didn't dodge your comment- I quoted you directly in fact when you said I'd do anything to rationalize my dislike of Hi Points.
Then the gun must've broken in two places, 'cause I pulled the slide right off the back with no resistance whatsoever. So my apologies, but zinc pot metal ain't as strong as steel.
If you'd prefer more specifics on why I don't like the gun, I can go on about crappy controls, cheap magazines, etc. But I think it's been covered well enough.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Spend a little more, get a SW Sigma or a Ruger
they go for about 350.00 a piece
which is about 150.00 more, but this is something youre investing your life with, its worth it
darkstararmory 2 years ago
you see the new carbine? Looks like they took the same junk gun and added new junk parts. the pistols are the best pure CINDER BLOCK with a pistol grip rofl omg
SHUNT311 2 years ago
@SHUNT311, Loolz, don't be decieved, i'm pretty sure Cinder Blocks are a little to expensive for Hi Point
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
Ha lol, very true!!!
SHUNT311 2 years ago
luv this gun when it fires,having problems with jams, an after firing first round,shell not chambering,also slide not locking open after last shell is fired, am i useing the wrong ammo,firing remington 9mm please help
mything1959 2 years ago
I know the problem and it can be fixed in under a min. follow these simple steps. step1/ make sure the firearm is unloaded step2/ remove the slide step3/ with the slide in your left hand and the frame in your right walk to the nearest garbage can step 4/ drop both the slide and the frame in the garbage. You get what you pay for lol.
SHUNT311 2 years ago
My buddy got the .45 and we went to the range and through fifty rounds the gun jammed about ten times. It is a piece of shit. He bought it because a guy at our work has a major hard on for these guns. Accuracy wasn't bad but function was terrible. It is also really heavy and as big as it is it only holds 9 rounds. Absolute garbage I am a gun snob and am proud. Give me my glock any day or at least something over 200 dollars.
cremeans11 2 years ago
it amazes me how passionate people get over suck a cheap gun. they act as if they have given birth to it. i had a jennings come apart in my hands once. it was a 9mm, and the little piece that holds the slide down broke. scared the shit out of me and my dad.. i will tell ya right now i am a gun snob. i own Glocks, Ruger, Desert Eagle. i would not let any of my family, or friends shoot a cheap gun.
diggy485 2 years ago
i have two of them .9 and .380 for girl and both works good no jams only thing i dont like about it is the clip release its to close to the hand also i recomend putting grips on it
dlt215 2 years ago
Thanks man" Cheap is not the way to go because you get what you pay for. i'll spend more money on a gun to play with at the range.
authorspeaker 2 years ago
you are being too harsh, its like a lexus vs a grand am or a yugo, they are all the same thing, internal combustion, and take you from point a to b. LOL ok i cant lie anymore, we buy what we can afford and like cars our guns show how far we have come, to each their own, but just as a 10k car can NEVER perform & last as well as a 30k one, neither can a gun, NOT POSSIBLE, the cheap stuff will fail you at the end, hopefully not in the middle of the freeway, or as armed men bust into your house.
JackSureshot 2 years ago
I've had several Hi Points in 9mm, .380, 40S&W and 45ACP and all of them worked jsut fine. Nothing blew up, nothing fell off.
hank1231 2 years ago
I could do a video about any semi auto hand gun failing. You are obviously a guy that does like them. Fine, that leaves more of them for people who aren't closed minded. I have over 1000 rounds through my c9 and 45 and have never had 1 problem. These guns will jam when limp wristed, so you would think a jag-off like you wouldn't have a problem.
jrskydawg68 2 years ago
You know what I like best about you Hi Point owners? How you always keep it classy and don't resort to baseless insults in the end of your comments. It makes you all seem so intelligent, and worthy of respect. Truly, somebody who's opinion should be weighed heavily, due to the careful consideration and analytical prowess you've displayed.
Yes, any semi auto pistol will fail. This one was just WAY more prone. And with lousy controls, and a broken slide? I can't recommend this to anyone. Sorry.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I also own different models, glocks, tauruses, rossis, and hi points. I still love shooting my hi point and they have never had jams. AND i think they look pretty cool. they dont look that much different than a glock. I showed a few friends and they thought the hi points were glocks.
wwwjbcitycom 2 years ago
It's amazing how controversial this firearm is. People need to stop agruing over it and realize that different people will form different opinions. There is no need to go at lengths to try to change someone on youtube of all places.
It's a 120-160 dollar gun that works for the most part (mine does). If you want to buy it, great. If you don't, great.
floatingaxehead had a bad experience with the C9. I had/have a good experience with the C9.
Respect each others opinion, people.
millerusaf 2 years ago
Odd. While the slide looks like it's possibly from a failure, the rest looks like you... disassembled it. Maybe you thought a gunsmith would never see your video or something?
In the future, you should probably be more careful about lying on the internet.
soheifox 2 years ago
1. I didn't disassemble it, but I did find it at a local gun store, so I'll admit it's possible they may have. I honestly couldn't say.
2. You honestly expect me to believe people buy a $120 gun... and then pay a gunsmith more to work on 'em rather than buy a decent gun to begin with?
3. Don't you ever accuse me of lying. You don't know me, so I'll explain this very simply. I'm the guy who's telling you my name and podcast in every video, not hiding behind some stupid internet moniker.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I dont see why your hi point have parts falling out of it. It almost looks like a gunsmith or seller purposely setup the gun that way. If most of them were as trashy as yours they would be out of business.
wwwjbcitycom 2 years ago
here here sir.... i own a hipoint 45 and never had a problem with it shot atleast 1000 rounds or more never had a problem
cheeze9982 2 years ago
I am trading my .9mm Carbine for a 1961 Winchester 30/30 kid must be a complete dumb ass.
Spicymchagis 2 years ago
my hi point works ok, jams here and there, good for plinking off rounds with some buddies, cheap and american made. Still, $500 is alot for someone making minimum wage, $139 is good price, especially with ammo costs.
deanejacob 2 years ago
You know what else is good for plinking at the range is you're concerned about ammo costs? A .22lr. It's so good, in fact, that if you were to buy a decent gun like a Ruger Mk.II or III, it would pay for itself in ammo costs savings with the first brick of 550 that you bought.
"American made." That's like excusing the Ford Pinto for being junk because it was made here. It worked, yeah, but is that enough reason to own one?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I have a Hi Point C9 and have ran over 1,800 rounds of wwb through with only two jams... The first time I shot it, I belive i was limp wristing it and the second time was teaching my girlfriend how to shoot... there again i am gonna blame limp wristing.... my C9 shoots as well as my S&W SW9VE... the only differance is i own one S&W i own two Hi Points...
fjkocher317 2 years ago
Part 3: Are you Looking for a bargain or complaining about price. Is an extra $300 dollars worth peace of mind? Come on, ammo is expensivee anyways no matter what gun you own. You're going to spend hundreds of dollars on ammo and range fees. a good gun will last you the rest of your life and you only need 1 good gun.
eastofakron 2 years ago
Part 2: I only paid like $130 for the gun, and so I do not have the right to complain. I got what paid for. But I will tell you this, it is not a gun I would relie on with my life on the line. It is a good gun to own for other reasons like practice shooting, but not for primary self defense. Too much is rding on it, invest more money and make sure you get something you know will be there for you when you need it.
eastofakron 2 years ago
Part 1: I have heard so many opinions about this gun, it seems like everyone has an opinion,some love it and some hate it. Guess what: I own a hi point 380, I'm not going based on anyone's opinion or what so and so has heard, am the real deal. A high pont owner. Last weekend, I took it to the range for the first time. I tried 3 dif. types of ammo, blazer, remington and some generic stuff they cicle at the local range. The gun jammed on me with about 5 times with 150 rounds. 3 boxes.
eastofakron 2 years ago
I love my Hi-Point. It's got a lifetime warranty; it's made in America; and it cost a whopping $139. For someone who collects rifles and wanted a cheap pistol. It's great. Over 300 rounds and never had a jam.
luftwaffles1000 2 years ago
300 rounds isn't even to the point where I would trust functionality for self defense or daily carry. I want 500 flawless at a minimum, plus 200 of my carry ammo. And the warranty doesn't matter if the gun fails when I need it.
It's all about mission requirements. I've come to accept that for the vast majority, a Hi Point will be just fine.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
i have a HI POINT and i love it....it was my first hand gun......and it work great....but i love my XD 40 CAL.
goodlover6907 2 years ago
s197stangdragger you are calling glocks one of the cheapest guns around? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! Just what do you call a cheap gun? Last time I checked a glock sold for 5 to 6 hundred dollars. A Taurus beside the Hi Point is the cheapest. You saying the Glock is the cheapest gun tell's me one thing, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
bigrebnc1861 2 years ago
I got mine for $431 after tax- this was approx. March of 2009.
Having said that, you're still correct. Taurus, and a Smith & Wesson Sigma are both notably less expensive options. Then there's Kel-Tec, Ruger, etc...
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
+1 on a Ruger. My cousin bought a used P89 for his first handgun. That was 15 years ago, since then he's put 29k+ rounds through it and it's still in as new condition. Screw High Point, buy a used Ruger or surplus Argentinean 1911 (Ballester Molina or Sistema Colt or something like that).
1999CSVT 2 years ago
I accept the fact HP is a low budget firearm, but I see way more videos of successful Hipoint firings here than I see explosions.. matter of fact, I haven seen any as of yet. If they blew up that often, Im thinking this would be one of the first places we would see it. So far, I havent seen one video of an HP blowing up or coming apart. If so then we all need to know about it. I will look around for evidence as it is a very low priced gun. Could it be older ones are more suspect?
yambo59 2 years ago
Something else to be considered here is proper gun cleaning and maintenance. Brand name guns have also been known to blow up from either A: factory defect -or- B: lack of cleaning and maintenance. I have to wonder since the Hi-Point is more involved than usual to take down, do some owners put off cleaning too long? If so and it causes the gun to blow up, is it the guns fault or the owners?? Even a brand new gun should be taken down, inspected and cleaned before the first firing -- no?
yambo59 2 years ago