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  • @GutpileCharlie Never in history? Unfortunately that bar is actually REALLY low

  • Barry Soetoro, the Mombasa, Kenyan should be impeached before 2012.

  • As much as I agree. It's a little over the top with the illustrations. But, yes. Impeach Obama. Good luck getting him to step down though! Just look at Gaddafi, he's a heartless lying and deceitful dictator too. But he'd rather sanction the murder of his own people than step down!

  • @GutpileCharlie "Never in the history of this country have we ever elected such a total and complete Zero to this office."

    HAHA Wasn't Bush elected for 2 TERMS? You must feel stupid!

  • @soranB55 Actually, this country is heading into a dictatorship with a fair amount of speed. This has been assured by the passing of the "Patriot Act" which allows any Government agent to write their own search warrant without the need for a judge. This act throws us back to the reason this country was formed in the first place. It puts us right back into being a Government-controlled society with no legal recourse to alter it.

  • @Greyhawkism not to mention SOPA and the most recent defence authorization act

  • @GutpileCharlie You are talking to a Kosovo Veteran here, buddyboy.

  • @86THECRITIC Buddy boy my ass. You talk like a left wing loon. What the fuck do you think I am? Chopped liver?

    Get a life.

    Ten will get you twenty that you are just a smarmy little poser.

  • @GutpileCharlie  I fought for the serbs.

  • Shall I kill myself? Who put a Marxist in the White house??? Have we gone insane??? What the hell is going on in this country???

  • @86THECRITIC ...Hey you moronic piece of shit. I would love to "praise", but their isn't anything to "praise."

    You comment, right here just completely "defines" you. You are a typical, in the tank, "gimme my shit", "your shit is my shit", anti American, demented, perverted, despicable, repugnant pile of steaming excrement.

    You need to get a life. You need to pull your head out of your smarmy ass.

    We can solve the problem but getting rid of Obama and the socialists.

    Now go fuck yourself.

  • @GutpileCharlie Well, just from reading the first sentance, I know you know nothing about politics. I have 15 cents here. Enough to pay the troll toll.

  • Mr ACORN himself Barry Soratoro, WORST thing that has ever happened to the USA. Thank you soooo much OBAMA sheep. IMPEACH!!!

  • The fraud that is Obama/Soetoro needs to go... We've had too much already....

    see my vid, infidels! He bowed to the Saudi king because his college tuition was sponsored from Saudi Arabia, and his loyalties are there, not here, regardless of how he appears.....

  • since bin laddin got killed while he is in office this will give him a good chance at another run

  • The People Need The Same, Health Care. As The People Thay Elect.......

  • soranb55,

    You are absolutely correct. Our country is not a dictatorship. It is a fascist state.

    

  • @GutpileCharlie Hey, hows about a word from a moderate: stop blaming the president for everything ( he just signs stuff into law and commands the military in a nutshell) and start looking at the people and at congress and elsewhere to fix America's problems. All I see is a bunch of bitching. Let's do something to fix the country, and stop complaining about the figurehead.

  • @86THECRITIC Anything might help, and yes, he's "not the only one", however, he is a committed, unAmerican socialist that is trying to "fundamentally change" this country.

    Don't tell me to stop the bitching! I'll stop the bitching when Obama is either out of office, in jail, or both. Anybody.....yes anybody that would support these demented piece of shit is just as much to blame as he is.

    If you don't condemn Obama, you are not a "moderate" but just a fellow traveler.

  • @GutpileCharlie Yes. Now, how can YOU help to get our freedoms as Americans back?

  • LOL

  • Too bad Obama/Soetoro wont just go back to Kenya or Chicago or anywhere...

    But on the bright side, if he ever gets exposed, we can watch him do the perp walk.

    Check my "Impeach Obama 2011" video

  • How?

  • I think the Mayans predicted OBAMA, not the end of the world in 2012. We have a chance to save this world, but if Obama is voted in for a second term, America can bend over and kiss their ass goodbye. Once America falls, so will the rest of the house of cards. Wake the fuck up!!!

  • @GutpileCharlie I want that fucker arrested.

  • @GutpileCharlie The Mexicans voted for him.

    Because he kissed their asses.

    I say they need to kick them out of the

    country along with OBUMa.

    Watch my video; OBAMA is now OBUMA.

  • you can not fix any of this ok?

    democracy has always been broken & always will be just ask plato...

    this is what America wants the USA voted in socialism by voting for obama. (reverend jesse Jackson)

    the only way to fix it is to kill it all away. the monetary social classiest system of rich vs poorer must end, this will not happen with 1 or 2 or 100 changes we must have true change. we need The Venus Project all of the earth must be common heritage to all life.

    The culture is what is killing u

  • @vishesfishes Multi-culturalism and pandering to globalism/globalists is what is killing America.

  • @aivilik the theft of your culture that is then resold to you is killing us yes

  • @vishesfishes I would but Plato's been dead for 2400 years. Also, his ideas borders to much on metaphysics. he was dead wrong with forms even though the parable of the cave and the trial and death of socrates was right on. Aristotle will eventually be proven the much wiser of the two.

  • Great Video!!! U would prob like my page. Check it out sometime,,,

  • Well Done....AWESOME TRUTH!!!

  • if i was a black american or anyone who voted for this scammer i would be so ashamed

  • When Obama won, America lost.

  • The (Higher Taxes Losing Freedom) song.

  • He can’t be any worse than the republicans that steal from the poor and give to the rich. republican politicians represent the interests of the top 2% richest people in the country and nobody else. If they didn't lie constantly, they would get 2% of the vote in every election!

  • @SomtinWicked What are you talking about you smarmy piece of socialist shit?

    Get your head out of your ass and wake up. You are the problem.

  • @SomtinWicked Are you fucking BLIND? Of *COURSE* he's worse than Republicans. How can you possibly NOT see that? You got liberal mental disorder, there, buddy.

  • Donald Trump is asking all the right questions concerning 'Barry'.

  • god save us all from this jihadi....

    the sound of the moazin (calling for prayers) is one of the most beautiful sounds he know''s.:(((.promoting the moslim brotherhood(some of his adivisurs/imam Rauf/ in egypt allso the moslim brotherhood is stronger then ever with help of Hussein obama.he wants to bring democratie to the ME, all jihadis & the enemis of freedom are dansing in the streets.the US lost his best partner in the ME EGYPTE !!! god bless Amerika to be wise & get rid of Obama..

  • Pure evil.

  • Donkey's & Asses, Screwing The Masses

  • He is making CHANGE people, he didn't promise it would be Good for You

  • America's government is owned by the banks and corporations, all of your presidents are funded by the people who own America. "The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes." -- Abraham Lincoln

  • @SevenLeggedWalrus Right on!! if we impeach Obama, then we need to arrest the Wall st bankers (stolen bail-out money), and Bush & his crew 4 Iraq (WMD?)

  • Crazy, try searching -who is barry soetoro? by Nomessiah- gotta listen to this awesome metal song about the fraud of Barack Obama!

    watch?v=HecKc7y4Cs0

  • obama is evil

  • OBAMA owns you and your country,

  • I hope to see the day when the next republican controlled congress and president

    will blame their inability to solve problems on all the democrats didn't accomplish.

  • this dumbass did shit when he had a majority in the congress

  • Good one!

  • Ya know I do not care that he may of smoked ,.. Shit I smoke, iT IS THAT HE HAS DONE JACK AND SHIT IN OFFICE, AND JACK JUST LEFT TOWN... SHIT OR GET OFF THE POTT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @gearhead292 Awesome sting of non-sequiturs and straw men you just cut down. I love the jack and shit line, that must have come to you in a moment of inspiration.

  • either way voting for mccain or obama we still lose.

  • ABSOLUTELY.

    This president fail to protect US unborn human beings. HE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED.

  • Too bad you can't do anything since he hasen't broken the law.

  • @Lulcat1 Even if he does, he is above the law. He's the King now. He makes the laws!

  • @ezsilver1 I detect sarcasam.

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  • Great Video, but it's actually worst than that, people should take a little time to look into his past like I have, and then it all makes sense what's happened to this country in the past 2 years, in 2 short years we have been reduced to a weak, frail BROKE Nation, with almost no influence in the world now, our Allies don't take him serious and our ememies sure don't, although our enemies have never been in a situation where weve been so easy to stomp on ! But who can blame them, look at him !!

  • This Video tells the truth.

  • THIS IS SO EXTREMLY TRUE. PPPLLEASE WAKE UP AMERICA !!! LOOK AT THIS MAN AND WHAT HE HAS DONE TO US...HIS BACK GROUND SHOULD BE ENOUGH ! BUT THE MORE YOU DIG THE WORSE IT GETS !! MAY GOD HELP US.. IMPEACH BEFORE ITS TO LATE...WE ARE BE DROWNED IN DEBT ON PURPOSE.

  • get the imposter out!! he's killing us!!!

  • @TheLadyjazzy1 no the republican that was in there before is what killed us.

  • Great video, I cannot disagree with you.

  • @mamaschristmasbunny  Thankyou....

  • @ocelots2000 yo video is stupid and it dont matter cause he is yo president hahahahahahaha

    bow down 2 him bitch

  • @MrCarloBari

    Agreed!!

  • @boxxology2011 - But are the speed limits the speed limits. If 65 is the safest speed to travel on the highway, why is it strictly enforced in some places more than others. Why do police officers always seem to ignore those same limits?

    Too often speed limits are used as fund raisers by local police departments who apply them unequally and arbitrarily. They don't make us safer.

  • you know everyone in congress did shit thier not proud of, I voted for Obama but he let me and 20000000 Americans down.

  • @buttmunch313 Why the hell did you vote for him then?!

  • @boxxology2011 - Drachen, Holland eliminated lights and signs from an intersection that handles 30,000 cars a day. Wait times at the intersection were cut in half, and accidents went down 87%. The more freedom people are allowed, the better they do.

    It forces people to pay attention. This demonstrates the "Peltzmen Effect", that states that people behave more recklessly when they think that they are safer.

    Kensington High Street in London removed signs, and accidents went down there too.

  • @boxxology2011 - Comment further. No.

    Think further. Well, yes, quite a bit. Because you think that rules and laws make us safer, but its people acting in their own self interest that make us safer. Accidents happen because people assume that the other driver will follow a rule, rather than looking. Traffic rules

    The German Autobahn is no more dangerous than any other road, and its safer than most.

  • @mpc91 the german autobahn is a system of highways that dont have to handle complex intersections and maneuvering. its just driving in a straight line with occasional lane changes. that is why it works

  • @coolbrounderscore - No, it works because it forces people to pay attention. Why don't people who are walking plow each other over constantly, why don't birds collide in mid flight, why can a herd of Buffalo run?

    Spontaneous order. Advanced central planning doesn't work nearly as well as people making their own decisions in real time.

  • Like the song sais "SAD BUT TRUE" wake up America, nothing that is happening right now is happening by accident, it's been planned for a long time, if he had been white he would have been impeached by now, that is why political correctness is so dangerous !!!

  • @boxxology2011 - Deregulation does work. Enron was not caught by governments, they were caught by . The banking disaster was caused by regulation - not a lack of it. Irradiation of food would do far more to keep food safe than any rule, but it's prevented... by government regulation.

    And yes, we would be safer without speed limits. We are less safe because of traffic laws and traffic lights, because they stop people thinking. Speed limits are arbitrary, and are a tool for local revenue.

  • just another oposition

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  • The master of deception has already bankrupted and destroyed the crunbling foundation of this country. Within one year we will all know this is true.

  • Neither Bush nor Obama has really done all that much. That's what you dont understand. The power of our government lies in a balance of all three branches. The president cannot pass bills that don't clear congress. Don't go blaming one man if 500 were involved. And Obama really has not done anything that's affected me in any way, unless it's cut my taxes. I actually wish they'd raise taxes, America needs to get out of this deficit and it's the patriot's duty to help

  • @coolbrounderscore ... are you truly that blind to who obama really is... socialism didnt work for russia and it wont work here...

  • @thesprintingchef im not blind i just dont see the country falling apart around me. and you have to understand that ANY SOCIALIST BILLS MUST MAKE IT THROUGH REPUBLICAN-MAJORITY CONGRESS BEFORE OBAMA CAN EVEN SIGN THEM. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FACT. besides russia failed because of corruption and power-hungry leaders, not the system they had in place. socialism is a nice idea, if it can be done correctly

  • @coolbrounderscore You understand nothing about history, and clearly even less about economics. And yes you must be blind because that's the only way you could not see the mess Obama and his socialist jackassery is heading us into. We are almost at a 100% debt to GDP ratio. Greece went into a meltdown, riots in the street, people died, at 109%. Does the term bankrupt mean a damn thing to you ya pinhead?

    By the way, Republicans only hold the house. Obama has been end running them.

  • @fishinwflies i dont think anyone, whether fascist, communist or capitalist, could reverse our position if it is as dire as you say. the only thing to do is ride it out

  • @coolbrounderscore - You are quite correct, there! It is probably too late to do more than to slow down the process of corruption in our political and economic institutions that have geared themselves enslave those who do not adhere to their agenda.

    "Ride it out"? No. Just pray that it will not overtake us in OUR generation: it is surely too late for any future generations.

  • @coolbrounderscore - Socialism is not a nice idea, it's organized theft. It always ends in corruption. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    It removes choices in everything, and does those things by force.

    The Soviet Union failed because a planned economy cannot work as well as the Spontaneous Order of the Free Market. People know what they want better than politicians do.

  • @mpc91 ideal socialism is of course not supposed to end in corruption. i dont think it should be adopted by our country, but im tired of people throwing the word around like its bad. socialism itself isnt bad, the people who mess it up are

  • @coolbrounderscore Your wrong about what socialism is. Socialism even in the ideal way you see it, only works till you run out of other peoples money. It kills inovation, motivation and is doomed to failure. It has never worked and it never will.I can tell by your posts you don't really know what's going on. You think you do because you have some liberal pals you listen to, and they don't know either. Do us all a favor and find out what is really going on.

  • @fishinwflies why would you run out of money? people continue to work and generate income. i agree that it is not a good idea for the usa to adopt it right now, but its not the worst idea ever thought up. also i live in texas, which is about as conservative as it gets, so where are all these liberal friends youre talking about?

  • @coolbrounderscore Well for starters, once the debt gets out of hand, and the government starts printing money, quantitative easing, also called monetizing the debt, money becomes worth less, the interest on the debt becomes more than the amount you can raise through taxation, and BLAMMO, broke. Just like the liberals have headed is for right now. Surely you can't be this clueless?

  • @coolbrounderscore - The problem with "ideal socialism" is that it completely ignores the reality of how people think and act, and what motivates them. It also ignores the idea that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and depends on the concept that central planning can be effective. If those weren't true, it might work. But they are.

    Socialism is a very, very bad thing. It looks good on paper, but in reality is just another word for tyranny, dressed up to look nice.

  • @coolbrounderscore - You cannot see the negative impact Obama is having on our future, even as others could not see the negative impact that Bush (or Clinton, or Reagan) had on our future because you have blinders on your eyes and ears that will not allow you to see or hear anything but the political rhetoric.

  • @ThePhnxman1 listen pal i dont watch news or read newspapers, i just know that a glance around me reveals no fractured shell of what america used to be. you may be right that we are headed in a bad direction, but im not being blinded by political rhetoric because i dont listen to it

  • @coolbrounderscore - Strange. If a person does not know where he is going, how an he get there without at least a roadmap? How can I ignore what is coming upon America, except I close my eyes and ears to the signs of the times?

  • @ThePhnxman1 give me an example of one of these signs that i will have observed

  • @coolbrounderscore - Will you have me give you a sign? Will you believe ME? The Lord Jesus will give you a sign: if you dare call upon his NAME!

  • @coolbrounderscore No, the King has spoken on the Marriage Law. They will no longer enofce that law. The King has now taken the courts out. Otherwise, I agree!

  • @coolbrounderscore Fool. It's a patriot's duty to ensure freedom not to help, help is a choice made by free men.

  • @petekob ok well let me rephrase. the patriot's duty is to help ensure freedom. better?

  • i dont like progressive thinking, it will move us two steps back

  • So you don't like Obama? You weren't exactly clear on that.

  • I don't see any reason to continue on this thread. You operate under personal opinions and inuendos from those who have an axe to grind with GW. Sources (?) say he lied, but no one can tell exactly what he said. Saddam Hussein made the mistake of saying he had WMDs, threatened the US and allies repeatedly. Made himself look guilty by tossing out inspectors. His arrogance was enough to get him out. I have 3 sons that served. They all agree it was worth it. GW did his job, Obama hasn't.

  • @Chappyforgod GW did not do anything in Iraq but created a problem the US will be dealing with for quite some time. While it is true the US did remove Hussein from power they replaced him with someone far worse as far as the citizens of that nation were concerned. A US overseer who was far more interested in looting the country than helping the people. I have 2 relatives who served and know a few others who did also and none of them thought it was worth it. They all saw it as being pointess.

  • This is one African American who is not fooled by Obama anymore. He's a fraud.

  • I hate myself for voting of Pres. O'Bama. He is the worst we have ever had and a treason charge might just prove to be the will of the American People. He seems to be catering to the same people the Republicans have done for decades. Let me assure you that it is not the masses. Just the haves and the have mores. Let the tax break expire too. This tax cut made his base millions and totally ignored the money owed to the Social Security Trust. Pick a party, they don't care about us at all.

  • Obama is one big fraud upon America.

  • why the ??? their should be no dout, dont just impeach this communist fool jive turkey fag muslim puke dog, illegal alien. put his ass in prison.before he destroys us all.

  • Vote him out in 2 years and then spend the next 30 trying to undo the damage he has done. I just hope they can prevent him from finishing the framework for the destruction of the republic. If not we are either going to be a socialist country or in a second civil war. Neither are good options.

  • @fishinwflies Compared to spending the next 60 fixing the damage GW left. The framework for the destruction of the US was began during GW's administration (selling out the American People to his cronies & destroying civil liberties). Love how YOU people blame Obama for something GW did. The US is facing massive problems and it's because of what GW did while in office. Again it would'nt matter who's currently in office. The problems would remain.

  • @abrnt1 Not a word of that is true.

  • @fishinwflies Too funny. As if you have any idea at all what is and isn't true. Keep thinking GW was so great while ignoring the damage his incompetence and greed did. During his administration the only people who were helped was the rich. GW was the WORST president our nation's ever had. He was a braindead tool under the complete control of the extreme Right. A disgrace to the office and a war criminal who's cronies made billions off 9/11.

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  • @abrnt1 GW used his postion to allow his backers (corporate interests/Neo-Cons/etc) free reign for 8 years. Haliburton & Blackwater made hundreds of millions during the Iraq war (paid by the tax payers). The first idiot GW put in charge of Iraq "lost 9+ billion (oops) and didn't even attempt to hide the fact his sole reason for being there was OIL. FYI Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That means GW lied and used 9/11 to make money. That's a scum move no matter how u try to spin it.

  • @abrnt1 Everything I've mentioned is a fact. Try reading a book or newspaper that isn't mindless propaganda. I know it's hard finding news in the USA that isn't propaganda (all 4 major networks have a political agenda), but (as the X-Files used to say) 'the truth is out there'. I'm not trying to start any crap with you, but when you say I'm telling lies (without backing anything up) it annoys me.

  • @abrnt1 You could not be more wrong, get over your Bush derangement syndrome you commie.

  • @fishinwflies Get over your Obama derangement facist idiot and I'll get over the crap GW did.

  • @abrnt1 On second thought I won't get over the crap GW pulled. Having that idiot in office was the worst thing that ever happened too our nation. Funny how you're unable to deal with any of the points I've raised and resort to childish tactics. Typical facist mindset. Ignore the truth all you want.

  • @abrnt1 BTW everything I've posted is true and can be backed up. I know that's a concept your type has a problem with (truth is something facist fools never like). I'm a commie because I don't like GW? Oh no guess that means the majority of the USA must be commies. Mein Gott you r an idiot.

  • @abrnt1 You are wrong. Obama is the worst thing that ever happened to the USA. He has quadrupled the annual federal budget deficit in less than two years. He is on a record spending spree, having spent more $ than any president in US history. I am black and a traditional Democrat, but I am so ashamed I voted for this fraud, Obama. He was too inexperienced.

  • @TheJaychristopher5 Obama hasn't spent trillions has he? That's what GW's administration did. GW was far more incompetent. After the mess GW left it wouldn't matter who was elected. The nation would be in the exact same shape.

  • @abrnt1 You are the typical ignorant liberal. Obama has spent trillions. What rock have you been living under, dummy? LOL. Obama has spent more money (on bullshit) than any president in US history, and he's only been in office less than two years. He is doing everything wrong. He worried more about passing a bullshit universal health care bill than putting people back to work. Most people get health care thru their employer...DUH. No offshore drilling...bend over..higher gas prices

  • @TheJaychristopher5 You're a typical ignorant neo-con. GW spent 8 years in office he caused more damage than any other administration. add up the cost of the war in Iraq (which BTW GW lied about), his no bid contracts to Haliburton (funny GW's VP had ties to that company) & the numerous other shady dealings it adds up to a huge loss at the tax payers expense. Obama is not the best president, but given the state of the nation when he took office he's nowhere near as bad as the Right thinks.

  • @TheJaychristopher5 The record unemployment was caused by GW. It was during his administration when these problems began. GW wasted trillions.

  • @TheJaychristopher5 You're a total idiot. During the entire 8 years GW served he did nothing whatsoever to help American citizens (unless they were rich). He created the current unemployment problem & allowed his crooked friends no bid contracts in Iraq (costing hundreds of billions). GW did everything wrong from the moment he entered office. GW was nothing but a tool of the neo-cons.

  • @abrnt1 You're the typical brain-dead liberal. You should have loved Bush, since he spent more money on social programs and other bullshit than any of your Dem predecessors. All those programs that helped the so-called poor were expanded under Bush. So, if you're going to debate with people who are educated adults, then you had better know your shit. got it?

  • @TheJaychristopher5 Do you have any idea just how stuip you sound? Seriously? GW helped the poor lol.. GW did nothing to help anyone. Let's see record unemployment, tax breaks for the rich (guess he helped them), the destruction of the military by allowing mercs to take over, the destruction of the american way of life, etc. So I'm a liberal because I don't like GW? Get your facts straight before posting. I'm an independent.

  • @TheJaychristopher5 Since you appear to have no idea what you're talking about I guess that means u r far from educated. Insult me all u like. It doesn't change the reality that GW screwed up the USA.

  • @abrnt1 Hey, clueless liberal, Obama has fucked things up much worse than any of his predecessors. Any fool can see that.  He's become one big fraud on the USA.

  • @TheJaychristopher5 I'm not a liberal. I'm an independent. Obama has messed things up, but given the state of the nation after 8 years of GW, nobody could have done any better. At the time he ran he was the only choice. None of the other canidates seemed at all viable. Make u a deal I'll stop with the insults if u do. I voted for him, but wouldn't do so again if there's a vivable canidate (one that will fix the problems left by GW, Clinton, Bush I & Ronnie).

  • @abrnt1 Name one thing during 8 years of GW that would good for the nation? You can't. Nothing during that time helped america in any way. Creating a massive debt, weakening the US intelligence (creation of Homeland Security caused this), destruction of civil liberties (USPATRIOT act), starting a war in Iraq for oil (the USA did not win) that has cost hundreds of millions, the no bid contracts to his "friends" (Haliburton, Blackwater,etc) and numerous other things.

  • @abrnt1 Clinton had his share of shady dealings. Obama is not the reason why the US is in the shape it is in. Over 30 years of bad government is the cause (during Ronnie's time there was the Iran/Contra mess, Bush I's New World Order, Clinton's NAFTA). Sending jobs out of the nation & deregulation played a part.

  • @abrnt1 - If there's a way you could be more wrong, I cannot imagine it. Deregulation helps the economy, and the country, it doesn't hurt it. The problem with this country is that we have far too much government, not too little.

    Free trade is a very good thing for the economy, yes its sends jobs to other countries, but it creates more jobs here. We do have bad government, and Obama is the pinnacle of bad government, pushing it to do things it should not, and making us less free.

  • @mpc91 deregulation of the banking industry caused massive unemployment & foreclosures. That HURT the economy. Every company that moves out of the country adds to the unemployment problem. New jobs were created in other countries. Not the USA. What new jobs were created? Compared to the damage GW did nothing Obama has done comes close. GW destroyed our economy and is the real pinnacle of what bad government is. Obama is by no means the best President, but he's a far cry from the worst

  • @abrnt1 - Wow, did you buy a bill of goods. And deregulation didn't cause foreclosures. Government mandated lending did that. Government involvement caused the problem you decry, and it always hurts the economy. Foreclosures happen every time government gets involved in forcing lenders to lend.

    Obama is not our worst President, but only because LBJ and FDR set the bar so high. Obama has increased the size of the federal government exponentially, Bush was wasn't good, Obama is far, far worse.

  • @abrnt1 - As for the created jobs, they are created everyday, though not as many as would be created because high taxes, excessive regulation, and fear of lawsuits.

    Outsourcing makes the products we buy cheaper. My laptop costs less than my VCR did 20 years ago - and that's without factoring in inflation.

    Since 1992, we've lost 391 million jobs. And gained 411 million jobs.

    A study by Dartmouth Univ. found that companies that sent jobs overseas hire twice as many people here.

  • @mpc91 I've seen the companies who sent jobs overseas close their factories here leaving numerous people unemployed. The so-called jobs being created in place of the lost ones pay a fraction of the wages lost. Factory workers now have to work fast food. that's not a great trade off by any definition.

    As for deregulation look at what happened with the banking industry and stock market. Massive increase in corporate crime and, in order to bail out the banks, the taxpayers lost almost a trillion.

  • @abrnt1 Wrong. Taxes drove them overseas. The banks went because of a regulation called the community reinvestment act (Carter 77 rev Clinton 95) giving SUBPRIME LOANS (meltdown ringa bell?) to those who could not pay them back. Defended tooth and nail by Frank D Mass and Dodd D CT plus virtually everyone with a D behind em. The derivitives were bundling those loans as GMS's and sold like bonds. Fannie and Freddie, run by dems. you have none of your facts right. Absolutely none.

  • @fishinwflies Fact the deregulation of the banking industry helped lead to the banking meltdown.

  • @abrnt1 Not fact. Lie. The community reinvestment act FORCED banks to make bad loans. After 3 good payments they could sell them to Fannie or Freddie, making them taxpayer Guaranteed. They then bundled the mortgages together and sold them to banks all over the planet called Guaranteed Motgage Securities. When the housing bubble popped, there were not enough tax payer dollars to cover it and down went not just our economy, but those every where else with us. Not from deregulation

  • @abrnt1 #2- The new Obama admin regs for banks cover niether Fannie, Freddie nor the derivitives that took down the economy. Bush warned everyone all the way back in at least 01 The house Republicans tried to stop it, and so did the Senate Republicans. The democrats blocked all efforts and did so on C-Span much of which is on you tube. Check it your self. This was caused by a democrat bill, made worse bty a democrat and forced to it's bad end by democrats. All facts.

  • @fishinwflies

    It was cheaper employment that drove companies overseas. Most companies left in the 1980's during which time corporate taxes were heavily cut by the Regan Administration and most unions were busted. Even though taxes and real employment costs in the US have gone markedly since the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, and are similar to the 1980's the US is loosing jobs. Why? Because, Americans wont work for 50 cents per day. Companies will always go to where there is cheap labor.

  • @TheCashForGoldStore Cheaper employment alone? You don't think missing being the most expensive place tax wise on the planet by a fraction of 1 % had nothing to do with it? Thay pay so much in federal taxes it's rediculous, and then toss state taxes on top of it. Payroll is a problem when you have outfits like tha UAW trying to kill the goose that layed the golden egg, but believe, taxes is doing more than enough.

  • @fishinwflies - No one "DROVE" out the corporations overseas: it is a business decision on their part to tighten their stranglehold on the middleclass to improve their bottom line.

    By blaming the Dems, you are supporting the Republicans: they are in this together. Both want to destroy the middleclass to institute the NWO: they just have different methods to get ther.

  • @ThePhnxman1 Absolutely wrong and here's why. Taxes are not really paid by corporations. They are passed down to you and I in what we pay for a product. Competition drives the end price. If a product is made by two companies, 1 in MN and one in Mexico for example, the MN company has to be priced competitively with Mexico. Gov. Dayton wants to make MN the most expensive place, up from #3, to do business. Every company here will have to decide, close or move. Like Polaris did to Mexico.

  • @fishinwflies - I did not mention taxes, you did. Corporations are outsourcing jobs to Mexico, Central and South America, and overseas to increase their profit margin by using slave and child labor: products Americans used to produce.

    Any DOMESTIC corporation that wants to outsource should be liable to the same laws and conditions, and TAXED at the same rate they would be if they were here.

  • @ThePhnxman1 - Companies are outsourcing jobs, but that's not really such a bad thing. For every job that's sent overseas, a better job is usually created in the US by the same company that outsourced the old one. It's just not as easy to show the new job on the TV news as it is to cover a plant closing.

    Shouldn't we be trying to get companies to want to relocate here, voluntarily. You can't force them to stay, they'll just leave altogether. They have that right.

  • @mpc91 Companies that outsource jobs outside the U.S. have no reason to begin new jobs here, EXCEPT that they cannot find either people qualified elsewhere or because the technology does not yet exist there.

    Companies like Sprint, for example, have outsourced thousands of jobs overseas and to the Phillipins. Name me ONE job that they have begun here in the States, after they outsourced: sans qualified personnel and the technology eslewhere.

  • @ThePhnxman1 - You realize you just made my argument, don't you. What company with a prayer of staying in business would knowingly hire someone for more money if they aren't more qualified or more technologically able?

    But the fact is new jobs are being created, and adjusted for inflation, the avg. American makes 6% more than they did 10 years ago.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 20 of the 30 fastest growing occupations in the US require highly skilled workers that pay more.

  • @mpc91 - That's not correct. You are speaking from the company's perspective; I on the other hand, as a member of the American middle class.

    If I am to pay $20 for a shirt that cost an outsourciing co. $3 to produce with shoddy material and slave labor wages, then I would rather pay the $25 to an AMERICAN that produces the same shirt HERE...but I dare say with better marerial.

  • @ThePhnxman1 - Great non sequitur comeback. I'm speaking for the middle class, you speak for government.

    You are free to buy whichever shirt you choose, that's the beauty of the free market, it's not always just about price.

    Your definition of "slave labor wages" is interesting, because it ignores the fact that cost of living is very different in other countries than it is here. Those people making those shirts make much more than they would have were they subsistence farming.

  • @ThePhnxman1 To stay in business you need to remain competitive. By raising taxes to the point the US is #2 behind Japan and then putting State corp. taxes on top of it you make it almost impossible to produce a product in the US. You can call corporate survival a choice. It's the same choice you make every time you don't step in front of a speeding car. It's one of survival. Taxes are not linear. By increasing them to far, you drive tha payers away and get less. Tax and spend does not work.

  • @fishinwflies - I agree that businesses should remain competitive. To do busines in the U.S., we should require that all FOREIGN companies have a DOMESTIC office in the U.S., tax them as any other U.S. company, and that they be treated as any other AMERICAN corporation: and penalize them if they are found to use slave or child labor!

  • @ThePhnxman1 This is not about child or slave labor. The fact you think it is shows you are getting your information from lousy sources. Let me rephrase that, dellusional sources. That is the most rediculous thing I have seen posted in quite a while. Require foreign companies to have offices here and tax them? How do you make them do that? World conquest? Please don't post stupid things like that.

  • @fishinwflies - So simple, isn't it? If they do not want our money, don't trade here. The "playing field" is already being "leveled, at the expense of the greatest middle class in the world: the American people.

    Too many folks read the books on the economy, which teach nothing but propaganda. There is no such thing as "free enterprise" anymore. It is now "whatever the market can bear". Oil is pumped in California and sold to Texas, and vice versa. This increases the profits.

  • @fishinwflies Great job on explaing to the un-educated!

  • @abrnt1 - Everythign fishinwflies said is dead on. But the other thing is that its easy to report a factory closing, but nobody ever reports on the business that opens up. Creative destruction is a natrual part of the economy. We don't have milkmen anymore, but they found other things to do.

    And sure, some of the factory workers may have gotten jobs paying less, but some got jobs that pay more, and do so in better working conditions.

  • @abrnt1 Believe it or not I voted for him, too. That was the first and last time. If this is the best job that could be done by anyone, I'd hate to see the worst job! LOL. He and his administration are a major train wreck. We deserve so much better than this incompetent clown.

  • @TheJaychristopher5 When Obama ran there were no viable alternatives. Every other canidate at that time was worse.

  • @abrnt1 Obama is making Jimmy Carter look decent now.

  • @TheJaychristopher5

    The illegitimate Obama presidency is Jimmy Carter's failed second term...