I'm not surprised if it's true that atheists have dysfunctional attachments. Humans probably evolved to be religious, so being an atheist is like entering an uncharted world of thought. It's scary. It's depressing. You have to build your own worth within social groups rather than being accepted by accepting convention. But still, I am an atheist because it's the most reasonable way of looking at the world I can see from where I stand.
@MadMacISmad What about money. How much lives have been lost for that. You can say this or that is the cause of something. But when people stop blaming things in hope to shift the responsibility then maybe people will actually stand up for right from wrong. In no religious scripture does it say to kill, or go to any extremes. No god allows these acts unpunished and that is his message. But people allow people to commit such acts.
@MadMacISmad Think about the last few sentences you wrote. God is not about blind worship or killing in the name of. These extreme ways of God are the creation of man. I'm finding God through free choice. A collaboration of people believe in a book by man, and others presume these are the true scriptures. See how presumptions already have made people hate towards religious people entirely? That is the truth I'm finding.
@MadMacISmad My motive is due to the worlds corruption, we have amazing minds, but exploit it for nuclear power. Manipulative media, history and propagandised war. All in the name of money and domination. Now remember we have been given free will, there has to be bad in order to do good, yes? Well God cannot interfere with his creation, as it contradicts the purpose of us. if we all saw God, we'd all believe and our free will, essentially broken. I believe there is a way out. Following the truth
@MadMacISmad The biblical scriptures, and I am reading the Qu'ran at the moment, to understand all the misconceptions towards Islam. But I feel of all knowledge I've gained throughout school, research, and people. The scriptures are a guideline to life, it simply benefits us as humans, mentally and healthily by following most of what it provides. Obviously this causes a clash with some people who do not wish to be told how to live. So almost an authority issue.
@MadMacISmad I say I'm finding God because he will only show himself to you if you allow him to do so. otherwise its by force and as everyone knows we were created with free will. So I cannot define which God it is I'm trying to find as I believe some religions were created by man. But science discovered everything is energy correct? well that opens up a new door to spirituality. Notice I said discovered. So when God made everything be, as I said, we discovered it through science.
@MadMacISmad Why do people persist on presuming all religious people have a way of thinking when it comes to believing. I never thought about heaven or hell when I come to finding God. For all I cared or care, we may die and we'll forever be asleep in nothingness. But I'm finding God because of all the beautiful things that we petty humans refuse to see. The bible holds knowledge, manipulative or not is up to the reader. But I personally see truth in scriptures.
religion that reinforce belief. Prayer: you're convinced god is in your head and you can talk to him anytime. His eyes are always on you, so to speak, which creates a hesitation to do anything immoral, like say, disbelief. Other sins are forgivable, but disbelief is a sure path to a fiery damnation... or some variation. Of course not all religions have that mechanism...Another mechanism is that they are not disprovable, not enough for a mind intent on rationalization, anyway.
A few reasons why people discard santa and not religion:
your parents don't believe in him, and their fibs are detectable at a certain age
friends and siblings give heads up
santa is disprovable: you can wait up all night and see who really delivers the presents.
Religion tends to be reinforced much stronger. Generally, one will have parents, siblings, friends, and a whole community of people who all believe this. It is frequently part of everyday life. Not too mention all the mechanisms w/in
My parents were very religious, but despite their efforts, I questioned their beliefs very early, and never accepted their vague and unsatisfying answers to my questions. I became an atheist pretty early, around 10 years of age. That was 40 years ago, and I've never changed my mind.
@mellamosean There is a version of the santa story in the Netherlands, which is where my parents are from, but it's very different from the North American version. There are no elves or workshop, and Santa is actually a scary guy with a black helper who scoops children up in a black bag and takes them away from their parents forever. My parents, not being too familiar with the North American version, opted for no version at all.
I personally never believed in Santa Claus, because my parents were from Europe and never taught me that North American tradition, but I knew a lot of kids when I was growing up that did believe that story. Maybe kids let go of their Santa belief because they are not encouraged to continue to believe it beyond a certain point. On the other hand, people are encouraged by their parents to continue believing their entire lives in a god, in fact, are assured that this belief is absolutely true.
Just a comment about rituals. Andy Thompson has not touched on the important of our language skills, and the genes that make us better at language than any other animals. Part of this has to do with music and art, but he did not connect music and art to our language skills.
Our language abilities allow us to not only perform complicated asks (like music) but they help us solve problems and perceive and manipulate the world. This is an important adaptation that goes beyond just social function
@poorkinghaggard guess why! the poor fish doesn't know how, otherwise he'd be more interesting to listen to and might be doing something useful like making Art instead of wasting our time with these irrelevant facts which do not form a serious attack on believe in just about anything, by Jupiter
@LucyHarcarty I can sort of agree. He also has not (yet) accounted for culture, how culture has evolved, and the importance culture has for humans. Not just humans, but other social animals can display more primitive forms of culture, such as how crows can share information for several generations.
I think the "science" for theological thinking already exists in other disciplines, we just need work done to bring them together to answer questions about this one thing.
@poorkinghaggard that sounds very plausible, i expect something like that is true but it doesn't really address whether there IS a God or Gods or Goddesses etc. does it?, that's the main question, it only says why we think so--it's an exaggeration to say that it's an argument against religion, or even any particular religion
@LucyHarcarty That's because the existence of gods is not the main issue, at least not generally. The issue is the irrational and sometimes dangerous behavior some people display because of religious or theological thinking. For example, a schizophrenic might believe there are government agents out to get him, and think of how dangerous that can be for everyone. Yes, there could be agents, but the solution is to identify the cause of that thinking to better address the danger it can pose.
@poorkinghaggard it's the main issue though if you make a 5-part series of videos called "Man Made God", implying they're going to be saying something that will prove that Gods are entirely invented things. especially because they know people will feel strongly about it, they trade on it! ask yourself if most mimsy bearded sociologists get 40,000 subscribers on YT and wonder at the way they whore their theories to empty-headed internet pseudo-progressives, not you i mean, others
@kyleispwningyou that line of argument is not especially fruitful, in effect you are also attacking any atheists whose parents were atheists? + i want to make it clear i'm not a Christian or anything like that, only a general religioso. & i don't think any of the Gods and Goddesses do influence my morals, i never said that--only in the way that i suppose i probably absorbed 1 or 2 things from myths & stories--but that's not like the 'source of majority' or anything grand is it
it's very hard to concentrate because they have monotonous dull voices which are lulling me to sleep, atheism doesn't seem to make people necessarily charismatic on the whole!, Christopher Hitchens notwithstanding. i'll take a break & come back l8er, God bless you all for now...
this is ridiculous about Santa Claus, because for example--we 'know' he DID exist, he was a man...he lived and did nice things they say. probably stories are exaggerated, probably he doesn't still deliver presents, because he's been dead for 100s of years possibly, i don't know. but these people don't know either, and although they probably knew that he was an actual person they didn't SAY that because it didn't further their agenda. i'm not done yet, certis i'm going to have a lot more for you
@LucyHarcarty That has nothing to do with what they were talking about, really. St. Nicholas was nothing like the modern Santa mythology. They were discussing why beliefs in things, like the modern myth of Santa, tend to die off while other beliefs, such as in religion, tend to hold on. The key may be in social pressure. See 4:15
Also, if you replace "Santa Clause" with "Jesus" in your comment, it shows exactly how this argument applies to Christianity, and how the two instances are so similar.
@GuitarNoob101 you might be right, about Jesus, what's that got to with it? i think He probably was the Son of God or whatever it says in TheBible, just as i believe in Allah & Wiracocha and Ganesha especially because he's very cool-looking, Pallas Athena, Thor of course, all these people but it doesn't matter a bit if some of them DON'T exist--he has advanced no arguments (let alone evidence), as to why there is 'existence' for any of us or the rocks & trees in the 1st place, eh?
@LucyHarcarty you keep on harping on about this "1st place" business... the why of existence is a bit out of scope for this discussion, don't you think? This is a discussion on cognitive neuroscience... not astrophysics...
@daNDayati it's called 'Man Made God' isn't it? to me that implies he made all Gods, therefore you, or they at least, should be giving an argument about that kind of thing. no? i don't think that's astrophysics anyway, it's metaphysics surely--i expect you meant that
@LucyHarcarty I am lost, your last post still makes no sense (in all fairness..to me) .. I conjure up an invisible 6' 3.5" tall rabbit named Harvey and begin to convince others that Harvey exists.. who ever made Harvey is "1st Place... unless you are referring to a treatises on the nature of reality..
@daNDayati i think it's very simple, i really can't see how you could not understand. but i also love that film, so let's just be happy to agree about that
@LucyHarcarty interesting parting shot.. (you don't play fair)...ok..then ..if the figment of your imagination happens to drive you into my path, than so be it.. cheers
I suspect that some of these "features" such as over reading of agency, disembodied mind lead humans to be especially susceptible also to conspiracy theories, attributing much more intentional design and planning to event which are often just results of stupid decisions and dodgy values but when over read appear to be intentionally coordinated. Religion and conspiracy theories have a lot in common.
I wonder if knowing all of these mechanisms and brain circuits, actually may cause one to be hyperaware; or maybe able to control them in some way? maybe this neuroscientist is one of the happiest people alive because he knows how to boost the good neurotransmitters?
Absolutely great I totally understand most of this and it seems to make sense. Most of it you kind of know but not scientifically until now. Love it. dprjones is the man his vids are well worth watching.
DPR, this is a very interesting interview, but my burning question is who is that in the picture on your wall. The pope or the queen is all that keeps occurring to me.
As a kid of about 6 I realised that Santa couldn't actually be in several department stores at once so probably none of them were real. It took like a couple of days to realise that "god" was made up too.
I think the music thing has less to do with reproduction, and more to do with fear. In a forest, when a predator is in the area, all the prey creatures become silent in order to avoid the pred's notice. But when no pred is noticed, they communicate. I believe the noise, on a basic level, is reassuring that things are okay. This can also be coupled with the mental images produced by understanding the words in a song (if any) to enhance the effect.
@Jaybird196 It is also undeniable that drum beats and other regular (or even regularly irregular beats) have effects on our heart rates, add in dancing and physical movement = happy +/- psyched up people
@O2BSoLucky I figure there's probably a better name for it ( obviously, I don't know it), but for the time being, I like to call it "the Pentecostal effect" .
lol i played bass at a pentecostal church the thought struck me while playing one night as the people were whoopin and hollering and flailing about lifting their arms up like Mr, Thomson was talking about.
i thought what the hell am i doing playing for this group of fucking retards?
then some big lady started speaking in tongues looking like she had a steeple up her ass
3:44-3:53 - Waffle. ABSOLUTE waffle, and don't try to claim otherwise; the gist of the question was sound, but it's these kinds of exchanges that make people raise their eyebrows. I admire how well you were able to fluff over it, and how willing Mr. Johnson was to try and answer the "question", but IMO you dropped the ball.
"Could I do better?" - irrelevant. You're the YT user with 13K+ people watching; they want to see you perform, not me.
But other than that, I lub you very much DPR, etc.
@logicaust Feebus H Chris, I meant Mr. Thompson. I really must apologize; haven't been this smashed in quite a while :/ Oh well, NYE whatcha gonna do etc.
Isn't it the slow retreat of presence away from ritual that has made god more durable than father xmas? The mass 4 eg; transubstantiation is essentially the same as a belief in father xmas, the blood and flesh are actually there when you swallow, like santa eating a mince pie. Consubstantiation was a step away from that, and the Calvinists saw the mass as a commemorative rite. Modern religion is less visceral than ancient, as god retreats from the physical world.
@psycho3968 you are going to heaven with all the other religious idiots. and einstein and feynman is hell along with <3 angelina jolie <3. That choice is not even worth a thought.
And by the way, you will never know you wasted your life believing in a fairy tale, thats the only bummer coz there is no afterlife.
How I am so thankful for the internet and thoughtful people like you DPR. I cannot find this on regular TV, although I have to admit that I stopped watching regular TV over 20 years ago!
rituals are one of the ways that we as humans create emotional energy towards the object that the ritual is aimed at. The power of ritual is covered in theories of emotional ritual chains by Randall Collins and also covered by Durkheim.
I'm colorblind, and the only thing I'm "aware of" is my ophthalmology nurse's astonishment when i say I don't see any of the numbers on the Ishihara plates. I have no special insight into the functioning of my visual cortex.
@kshackleton No, that isn't what colorblind means. I see colors, but there are certain pairs of colors that look the same to me. That's basically what the Ishihara plates are--a book of images constructed to put those pairs of colors next to one another as a test.
Ah, OK then. This is something that has fascinated me for some time. I see the normal numbers on those plates, and some tests have secondary numbers to for those people that have trouble as you describe. I can often see those numbers as well.
If I may, would it be red-green that you cannot distinguish?
@kshackleton I'm told that my maternal grandfather (it's supposed to be on the X chromosome) sometimes had to read traffic lights by their positioning (top=red, bottom=green), but I haven't had problems like that in normal life. The only examples I know of are some towels that my wife says are green, but that look brown to me. I've often wondered whether brain plasticity might allow me to improve by practicing, but the Ishihara book is kind of expensive just for that.
Interesting...so you are likely short on the red receptor that evolved most recently on our primate ancestors. There are some excellent articles on the evolution of tri-chromatic vision in primates. I suspect that this issue lies in your eyes and not the brain.
Another question...do the leaves of trees also look brown? I do wonder if your "brown" is distinct from mine...red, green, and brown are all very distinct colors to me, but red and brown are more similar than either is to green.
@kshackleton No, leaves are green--at least until autumn. :) Those towels are a particular shade of which I don't know the name; most greens aren't a problem.
@Psy0psAgent Are you saying that you interpreted "until autumn" to mean "before and during autumn"? I have to say that strikes me as a novel definition of "until"; I'm pretty sure I've only seen people use it previously to mean "before but NOT during." Merriam-Webster gives the example "not available until tomorrow", which certainly doesn't mean "not available before and during tomorrow."
@HebaruSan Oops. Not at all. Just parallel pattern matching words. Like saying amen and not amen ra. Or Legion of Ra instead of religion. Or how many Horus are in a day. Or that when the sun RA is in the east and SET is in the west. How HoTeP was a good builder and how ATUM means to complete or finish, the setting of a sun at the end of a creative cycle, like a season coming to an end. Just thinkin.
I have to disagree with Mr Thomson on one point. I don't believe that children who are subjected to the "costly rituals" later, are not more prone to continue to believe in Father Christmas. Somewhere around the age of 7 or 8 years old, children instinctively begin to "figure it out." I did, while my parents continued with the facade. I pretended to believe for at least 2 years after I "figured it out."
@Hereticbooks , Sure , and it my country add ' Saint Nicolas Day '. I knew at a young age it was not real , but I liked the money and sweets in my shoe.....:)
@420messenger Of course God doesn't disappear. How could he? He never appeared in the first place. You have to be here before you can leave, and you have to exist before you can be here. So God is in no danger of ever disappearing.
The number of the ACTUAL CreatorZ/G-Ds is totally unknown and defies comprehension even (broken, irrational and negative numbers are thinkable) The same apllies for [its/his/their] Behaviour: Totally unknown. They might appear and fade AD theior LIBITUM. The evolved, mutated Abrahamic MONO-G-D is a product of collective humanZ' BrainZ - did you not know that?! BTW: You are the product of a F*KK not of a DIVINE immaterial insemination.
I love the comparison between a Pentecostal worship service and a child's pleas for attention. Having attended a few Pentecostal services I can attest to the fact that their worship style is very much akin to an infantile request for affection. It really does look childish if you were to look at it from any other vantage point, outside of a religious context.
@kvj1989 Lovely example of a religion that's supposed to stand for an all loving omnibenevolent god isn't it? Your religion is nearly endlessly self refuting, and you bigots at the center are some of the most disgusting pieces of shit in America. That said I wish no harm on you. The fact that the general public even within your own religion views you guys as hateful idiots is punishment enough. Enjoy the rest of your sad, narrow-minded life.
@kvj1989 If there is a hell then I'll see you there as you seem to wish pain on others, I do believe that's against the rules in the magic book you people seem to worship :P
Burning sensations require materialistic physiological processes, iow: LIVING Organism. Scientifically proven. The same applies for emotions like happy- or Sad-ness. Do yopu know that there is a disposition which leads to not feeling heat? Very dangerous, particularly for children.
@kleenex3000 Actually, all emotions and sensations could be simulated perfectly (and with much greater intensity, if so desired) in a computer. Forever. Within a few decades (or years?) we'll be able to create both heaven and hell. These are interesting times indeed...
@kvj1989 What the hell is wrong with you! How dare you say something like that! How would you feel if a Muslim, or Jew said that about someone who influenced you! I would imagine you would be offended! You sir/mam are the problem with the world today. You people don't care about anything except your precious after life which you have just as much IF NOT MORE of a chance of being wrong about it as everyone else. You make me sick, how could you ever wish something like that on some one! FUCK YOU!
@kvj1989 "I think everyone should dedicate their lives to science in some form or another. Everyone that doesn't want to do that should be exiled, or killed."
posted 5 months ago by kvj1989 (Tf00t vs Comfort, vid 2)
Well, look at that. Another hypocritical christian. How surprising.
(hint: exile or kill everyone who doesn't devote their life to some pursuit of science. This series of vids IS science! Please kill yourself and prove you're not a hypocrite. :3)
A decent person would never be happy about somebody else being tortured. If you really believe that crap and even smile about it, you are a horrible person and should be ashamed of yourself.
@Cromwell523 It isn't about proof. There is probably more sense in the bible than there is evolution. Much more wise words said by Jesus, than I've ever heard any human say. It isn't about proof. God does not care to prove the world he exists, but to show YOU he exists, he will not show you if you do not want to, otherwise that is by force. He created bad for there to be good, and thus gave us choices and free will. There is so much more to religion than proof. It can teach you valuable lessons.
@ThePuckington If you think there's more sense in the Bible than in evolutionary theory, you either know nothing about evolutionary theory, or nothing about the Bible.
The primitive goatherders who wrote the bible didn´t have the slightest clue about anything. They didn´t even know that the sun is responsible for our daylight (see Genesis) or what stars are.
So cut out the preaching. I'm not interested in superstition and little bit too old for imaginary friends.
@ThePuckington "God does not care to prove the world he exists, but to show YOU he exists, he will not show you if you do not want to, otherwise that is by force"
Poppycock!! You are not forcing me to accept YOUR existence. You are interacting in reality. IF God does exist, either we have some way to demonstrate that he manifests in reality indicating that he does in fact exist or we don’t. If we don’t , then his existence is indistinguishable from his nonexistence
@ThePuckington "There is so much more to religion than proof. "
I posit that virtually everything that you think you know about God has been taught to you by someone using The Bible. The rest you have conjured up in your own mind. How do you determine what is Gods influence on your choices and what is your own internal dialogue? I find it curious that If one believes you will find that God is always on your side.
Possibly, however anything and everything that The Bible has to say concerning the afterlife or the supernatural cannot be taken seriously. Just remind yourself that throughout the entire recorded human history every mystery that we have solved concerning our understanding of nature not one answer has concluded that the hand of god was involved. Not one.
@hawklord2001 How can you define Gods power? He makes something be and through science we discover the routes of its formation. When we discover the big bang, 2 substances clashed, what happened before that. With what source?
How can a substance become anything if time does not exist. Our earth is living, a consciousness made it be. Or the entire opposite and we make up the reason to believe that we're meant for something. And if mankin didn't, anarchy...but why? The mystery of life.
I'm not surprised if it's true that atheists have dysfunctional attachments. Humans probably evolved to be religious, so being an atheist is like entering an uncharted world of thought. It's scary. It's depressing. You have to build your own worth within social groups rather than being accepted by accepting convention. But still, I am an atheist because it's the most reasonable way of looking at the world I can see from where I stand.
Staunts 1 month ago
Santas not real :-(
Mee551able 1 month ago in playlist Why we believe in god(s)
@MadMacISmad What about money. How much lives have been lost for that. You can say this or that is the cause of something. But when people stop blaming things in hope to shift the responsibility then maybe people will actually stand up for right from wrong. In no religious scripture does it say to kill, or go to any extremes. No god allows these acts unpunished and that is his message. But people allow people to commit such acts.
ThePuckington 1 month ago
@MadMacISmad Think about the last few sentences you wrote. God is not about blind worship or killing in the name of. These extreme ways of God are the creation of man. I'm finding God through free choice. A collaboration of people believe in a book by man, and others presume these are the true scriptures. See how presumptions already have made people hate towards religious people entirely? That is the truth I'm finding.
ThePuckington 1 month ago
@MadMacISmad My motive is due to the worlds corruption, we have amazing minds, but exploit it for nuclear power. Manipulative media, history and propagandised war. All in the name of money and domination. Now remember we have been given free will, there has to be bad in order to do good, yes? Well God cannot interfere with his creation, as it contradicts the purpose of us. if we all saw God, we'd all believe and our free will, essentially broken. I believe there is a way out. Following the truth
ThePuckington 1 month ago
@MadMacISmad The biblical scriptures, and I am reading the Qu'ran at the moment, to understand all the misconceptions towards Islam. But I feel of all knowledge I've gained throughout school, research, and people. The scriptures are a guideline to life, it simply benefits us as humans, mentally and healthily by following most of what it provides. Obviously this causes a clash with some people who do not wish to be told how to live. So almost an authority issue.
ThePuckington 1 month ago
@MadMacISmad I say I'm finding God because he will only show himself to you if you allow him to do so. otherwise its by force and as everyone knows we were created with free will. So I cannot define which God it is I'm trying to find as I believe some religions were created by man. But science discovered everything is energy correct? well that opens up a new door to spirituality. Notice I said discovered. So when God made everything be, as I said, we discovered it through science.
ThePuckington 1 month ago
@MadMacISmad Why do people persist on presuming all religious people have a way of thinking when it comes to believing. I never thought about heaven or hell when I come to finding God. For all I cared or care, we may die and we'll forever be asleep in nothingness. But I'm finding God because of all the beautiful things that we petty humans refuse to see. The bible holds knowledge, manipulative or not is up to the reader. But I personally see truth in scriptures.
ThePuckington 1 month ago
I'd say there was music first, then religion.
seanThree16 1 month ago
You sounds like Christopher Hitchens :P
STRING3R 2 months ago
@MadMacISmad Cat's Cradle.. nice
daNDayati 2 months ago
religion that reinforce belief. Prayer: you're convinced god is in your head and you can talk to him anytime. His eyes are always on you, so to speak, which creates a hesitation to do anything immoral, like say, disbelief. Other sins are forgivable, but disbelief is a sure path to a fiery damnation... or some variation. Of course not all religions have that mechanism...Another mechanism is that they are not disprovable, not enough for a mind intent on rationalization, anyway.
mellamosean 2 months ago
A few reasons why people discard santa and not religion:
your parents don't believe in him, and their fibs are detectable at a certain age
friends and siblings give heads up
santa is disprovable: you can wait up all night and see who really delivers the presents.
Religion tends to be reinforced much stronger. Generally, one will have parents, siblings, friends, and a whole community of people who all believe this. It is frequently part of everyday life. Not too mention all the mechanisms w/in
mellamosean 2 months ago
My parents were very religious, but despite their efforts, I questioned their beliefs very early, and never accepted their vague and unsatisfying answers to my questions. I became an atheist pretty early, around 10 years of age. That was 40 years ago, and I've never changed my mind.
8698gil 2 months ago
@8698gil
well santa is not a north american tradition...santa evolved from european characters, didn't he?
mellamosean 2 months ago
@mellamosean There is a version of the santa story in the Netherlands, which is where my parents are from, but it's very different from the North American version. There are no elves or workshop, and Santa is actually a scary guy with a black helper who scoops children up in a black bag and takes them away from their parents forever. My parents, not being too familiar with the North American version, opted for no version at all.
8698gil 2 months ago
@8698gil
ahh, ok
mellamosean 2 months ago
I personally never believed in Santa Claus, because my parents were from Europe and never taught me that North American tradition, but I knew a lot of kids when I was growing up that did believe that story. Maybe kids let go of their Santa belief because they are not encouraged to continue to believe it beyond a certain point. On the other hand, people are encouraged by their parents to continue believing their entire lives in a god, in fact, are assured that this belief is absolutely true.
8698gil 2 months ago
Just a comment about rituals. Andy Thompson has not touched on the important of our language skills, and the genes that make us better at language than any other animals. Part of this has to do with music and art, but he did not connect music and art to our language skills.
Our language abilities allow us to not only perform complicated asks (like music) but they help us solve problems and perceive and manipulate the world. This is an important adaptation that goes beyond just social function
poorkinghaggard 2 months ago
@poorkinghaggard guess why! the poor fish doesn't know how, otherwise he'd be more interesting to listen to and might be doing something useful like making Art instead of wasting our time with these irrelevant facts which do not form a serious attack on believe in just about anything, by Jupiter
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty I can sort of agree. He also has not (yet) accounted for culture, how culture has evolved, and the importance culture has for humans. Not just humans, but other social animals can display more primitive forms of culture, such as how crows can share information for several generations.
I think the "science" for theological thinking already exists in other disciplines, we just need work done to bring them together to answer questions about this one thing.
poorkinghaggard 2 months ago
@poorkinghaggard that sounds very plausible, i expect something like that is true but it doesn't really address whether there IS a God or Gods or Goddesses etc. does it?, that's the main question, it only says why we think so--it's an exaggeration to say that it's an argument against religion, or even any particular religion
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty That's because the existence of gods is not the main issue, at least not generally. The issue is the irrational and sometimes dangerous behavior some people display because of religious or theological thinking. For example, a schizophrenic might believe there are government agents out to get him, and think of how dangerous that can be for everyone. Yes, there could be agents, but the solution is to identify the cause of that thinking to better address the danger it can pose.
poorkinghaggard 2 months ago
@poorkinghaggard it's the main issue though if you make a 5-part series of videos called "Man Made God", implying they're going to be saying something that will prove that Gods are entirely invented things. especially because they know people will feel strongly about it, they trade on it! ask yourself if most mimsy bearded sociologists get 40,000 subscribers on YT and wonder at the way they whore their theories to empty-headed internet pseudo-progressives, not you i mean, others
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
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kyleispwningyou 1 month ago
@kyleispwningyou that line of argument is not especially fruitful, in effect you are also attacking any atheists whose parents were atheists? + i want to make it clear i'm not a Christian or anything like that, only a general religioso. & i don't think any of the Gods and Goddesses do influence my morals, i never said that--only in the way that i suppose i probably absorbed 1 or 2 things from myths & stories--but that's not like the 'source of majority' or anything grand is it
LucyHarcarty 1 month ago
@LucyHarcarty i must be very tired, i meant to say morality--not majority. excuse me that for that one citizens, i've been working hard recently
LucyHarcarty 1 month ago
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kyleispwningyou 1 month ago
it's very hard to concentrate because they have monotonous dull voices which are lulling me to sleep, atheism doesn't seem to make people necessarily charismatic on the whole!, Christopher Hitchens notwithstanding. i'll take a break & come back l8er, God bless you all for now...
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
this is ridiculous about Santa Claus, because for example--we 'know' he DID exist, he was a man...he lived and did nice things they say. probably stories are exaggerated, probably he doesn't still deliver presents, because he's been dead for 100s of years possibly, i don't know. but these people don't know either, and although they probably knew that he was an actual person they didn't SAY that because it didn't further their agenda. i'm not done yet, certis i'm going to have a lot more for you
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty That has nothing to do with what they were talking about, really. St. Nicholas was nothing like the modern Santa mythology. They were discussing why beliefs in things, like the modern myth of Santa, tend to die off while other beliefs, such as in religion, tend to hold on. The key may be in social pressure. See 4:15
Also, if you replace "Santa Clause" with "Jesus" in your comment, it shows exactly how this argument applies to Christianity, and how the two instances are so similar.
GuitarNoob101 2 months ago
@GuitarNoob101 you might be right, about Jesus, what's that got to with it? i think He probably was the Son of God or whatever it says in TheBible, just as i believe in Allah & Wiracocha and Ganesha especially because he's very cool-looking, Pallas Athena, Thor of course, all these people but it doesn't matter a bit if some of them DON'T exist--he has advanced no arguments (let alone evidence), as to why there is 'existence' for any of us or the rocks & trees in the 1st place, eh?
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty you keep on harping on about this "1st place" business... the why of existence is a bit out of scope for this discussion, don't you think? This is a discussion on cognitive neuroscience... not astrophysics...
daNDayati 2 months ago
@daNDayati it's called 'Man Made God' isn't it? to me that implies he made all Gods, therefore you, or they at least, should be giving an argument about that kind of thing. no? i don't think that's astrophysics anyway, it's metaphysics surely--i expect you meant that
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty I am lost, your last post still makes no sense (in all fairness..to me) .. I conjure up an invisible 6' 3.5" tall rabbit named Harvey and begin to convince others that Harvey exists.. who ever made Harvey is "1st Place... unless you are referring to a treatises on the nature of reality..
daNDayati 2 months ago
@daNDayati i think it's very simple, i really can't see how you could not understand. but i also love that film, so let's just be happy to agree about that
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty okay.. cheers..
daNDayati 2 months ago
@daNDayati if God wills it we shall speak again someday ;) i hope so, best wishes
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty interesting parting shot.. (you don't play fair)...ok..then ..if the figment of your imagination happens to drive you into my path, than so be it.. cheers
daNDayati 2 months ago
@daNDayati i just meant that to be a sort of small joke between us, that's why i did the winking thing
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty you must know by now.... when it comes to god(s) ..atheists don't have a sense of humor..
daNDayati 2 months ago
@daNDayati well, maybe...i think Kurt Vonnegut would have said "lol" at the very least!
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty Kurt Vonnegut would have said "So it goes."
daNDayati 2 months ago
@daNDayati now i definitely like you, whatever else we disagree on...best wishes, bright blessings, bye-bye x
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty best...
daNDayati 2 months ago
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kyleispwningyou 1 month ago
R.I.P Christopher Hitchens.
At first he didn't know, but now he knows:)
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989 i didn't know he died, i've always liked him despite that i think he was wrong about 2 big things.
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty It's good to share:)
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989 God rest his soul
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
@LucyHarcarty Doubtfull.
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989 He is said to have mercy in abundance, and Hitchens was devilish charming
LucyHarcarty 2 months ago
I suspect that some of these "features" such as over reading of agency, disembodied mind lead humans to be especially susceptible also to conspiracy theories, attributing much more intentional design and planning to event which are often just results of stupid decisions and dodgy values but when over read appear to be intentionally coordinated. Religion and conspiracy theories have a lot in common.
monkeybrainsmediauk 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Terrence Mckenna said........
"Culture is a plot against the expansion of consciousness..."
Don't trust your culture, TV, preachers, government...etc.
Its fucked up......cause that means it's gonna be hard for people to change.
THUMBS UP PLEASE
nainamor 2 months ago
I wonder if knowing all of these mechanisms and brain circuits, actually may cause one to be hyperaware; or maybe able to control them in some way? maybe this neuroscientist is one of the happiest people alive because he knows how to boost the good neurotransmitters?
emwaver 2 months ago
Absolutely great I totally understand most of this and it seems to make sense. Most of it you kind of know but not scientifically until now. Love it. dprjones is the man his vids are well worth watching.
seanieboy78 2 months ago
I would guess that this guy is a very good doctor. I need a check up. Where is he?
edwdixon5 2 months ago
Awesome series so far really enjoying it, very insgihtful
emptywithoutbrain 2 months ago
DPR, this is a very interesting interview, but my burning question is who is that in the picture on your wall. The pope or the queen is all that keeps occurring to me.
edwdixon5 2 months ago
@dprjones What software did you use to record this? Great series so far by the way.
ChrisIsTehBoreds 2 months ago
As a kid of about 6 I realised that Santa couldn't actually be in several department stores at once so probably none of them were real. It took like a couple of days to realise that "god" was made up too.
lewisner 2 months ago
I think the music thing has less to do with reproduction, and more to do with fear. In a forest, when a predator is in the area, all the prey creatures become silent in order to avoid the pred's notice. But when no pred is noticed, they communicate. I believe the noise, on a basic level, is reassuring that things are okay. This can also be coupled with the mental images produced by understanding the words in a song (if any) to enhance the effect.
Jaybird196 2 months ago
@Jaybird196 It is also undeniable that drum beats and other regular (or even regularly irregular beats) have effects on our heart rates, add in dancing and physical movement = happy +/- psyched up people
O2BSoLucky 2 months ago
@O2BSoLucky I figure there's probably a better name for it ( obviously, I don't know it), but for the time being, I like to call it "the Pentecostal effect" .
Jaybird196 2 months ago
Morality is not the problem. Rationality is the mystery.
sowcratees 2 months ago
lol 3 people believe in "Satan dun it" or "Jesus dun it" research
wideosvatcher 2 months ago in playlist Why we believe in god(s)
lol i played bass at a pentecostal church the thought struck me while playing one night as the people were whoopin and hollering and flailing about lifting their arms up like Mr, Thomson was talking about.
i thought what the hell am i doing playing for this group of fucking retards?
then some big lady started speaking in tongues looking like she had a steeple up her ass
i didnt go back after that epiphany.
wideosvatcher 2 months ago in playlist Why we believe in god(s)
3:44-3:53 - Waffle. ABSOLUTE waffle, and don't try to claim otherwise; the gist of the question was sound, but it's these kinds of exchanges that make people raise their eyebrows. I admire how well you were able to fluff over it, and how willing Mr. Johnson was to try and answer the "question", but IMO you dropped the ball.
"Could I do better?" - irrelevant. You're the YT user with 13K+ people watching; they want to see you perform, not me.
But other than that, I lub you very much DPR, etc.
logicaust 2 months ago
@logicaust oh dear, I typed 13K+ thinking it was close, but it's been a while - almost 40K. I'm out of the loop, what can I say.
Peace.
logicaust 2 months ago
@logicaust who is Mr. Johnson?
wideosvatcher 2 months ago in playlist Why we believe in god(s)
@wideosvatcher Most definitely a Fruedian slip; I meant Mr. Johnson. Sorry; have been engaging in merriment for an extended amount of time.
Peace.
logicaust 2 months ago
@logicaust Feebus H Chris, I meant Mr. Thompson. I really must apologize; haven't been this smashed in quite a while :/ Oh well, NYE whatcha gonna do etc.
logicaust 2 months ago
but if morals are part of the systems that make people innately religious then why are so many religions so immoral?
Or did i misunderstand?
naturalistmind 2 months ago
Isn't it the slow retreat of presence away from ritual that has made god more durable than father xmas? The mass 4 eg; transubstantiation is essentially the same as a belief in father xmas, the blood and flesh are actually there when you swallow, like santa eating a mince pie. Consubstantiation was a step away from that, and the Calvinists saw the mass as a commemorative rite. Modern religion is less visceral than ancient, as god retreats from the physical world.
tomfool43 2 months ago
The Xmas lectures mentioned some of the research discussed here. Very, very good stuff.
fuckoverload 2 months ago
@kvj1989 you are 23 years old? lol
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
@kvj1989 actually if its people like you who are going to heaven then sign me up for hell... you insufferable egregious little cunt!
psycho3968 2 months ago
@psycho3968 you are going to heaven with all the other religious idiots. and einstein and feynman is hell along with <3 angelina jolie <3. That choice is not even worth a thought.
And by the way, you will never know you wasted your life believing in a fairy tale, thats the only bummer coz there is no afterlife.
mignik01 2 months ago
"'Reproductive activity? But that doesn't start with an... ooooh! Heh. I need coffee, apparently."
Tigranis 2 months ago
How I am so thankful for the internet and thoughtful people like you DPR. I cannot find this on regular TV, although I have to admit that I stopped watching regular TV over 20 years ago!
truvelocity 2 months ago 36
@truvelocity I feel the same. Haven't had a TV for 6 years and haven't missed a second of it.
ClearVista 2 months ago
rituals are one of the ways that we as humans create emotional energy towards the object that the ritual is aimed at. The power of ritual is covered in theories of emotional ritual chains by Randall Collins and also covered by Durkheim.
BjornSeverinLarsen 2 months ago
I must say Dpr, you've outdone yourself again. Getting a full scale lecture from Andy Thompson (for free, & in his own time) is BRILLIANT.
Bravo, Dpr.
QuantumGh0st 2 months ago 26
I'm colorblind, and the only thing I'm "aware of" is my ophthalmology nurse's astonishment when i say I don't see any of the numbers on the Ishihara plates. I have no special insight into the functioning of my visual cortex.
HebaruSan 2 months ago
@HebaruSan
You see no colors at all? You see in what we would describe as shades of grey?
kshackleton 2 months ago
@kshackleton No, that isn't what colorblind means. I see colors, but there are certain pairs of colors that look the same to me. That's basically what the Ishihara plates are--a book of images constructed to put those pairs of colors next to one another as a test.
HebaruSan 2 months ago
@HebaruSan
Ah, OK then. This is something that has fascinated me for some time. I see the normal numbers on those plates, and some tests have secondary numbers to for those people that have trouble as you describe. I can often see those numbers as well.
If I may, would it be red-green that you cannot distinguish?
kshackleton 2 months ago
@kshackleton I'm told that my maternal grandfather (it's supposed to be on the X chromosome) sometimes had to read traffic lights by their positioning (top=red, bottom=green), but I haven't had problems like that in normal life. The only examples I know of are some towels that my wife says are green, but that look brown to me. I've often wondered whether brain plasticity might allow me to improve by practicing, but the Ishihara book is kind of expensive just for that.
HebaruSan 2 months ago
@HebaruSan
Interesting...so you are likely short on the red receptor that evolved most recently on our primate ancestors. There are some excellent articles on the evolution of tri-chromatic vision in primates. I suspect that this issue lies in your eyes and not the brain.
Thank you for sharing.
kshackleton 2 months ago
@HebaruSan
Another question...do the leaves of trees also look brown? I do wonder if your "brown" is distinct from mine...red, green, and brown are all very distinct colors to me, but red and brown are more similar than either is to green.
kshackleton 2 months ago
@kshackleton No, leaves are green--at least until autumn. :) Those towels are a particular shade of which I don't know the name; most greens aren't a problem.
You're probably right about my L-cones.
HebaruSan 2 months ago
@HebaruSan Hmmm. Leaves turn brown during the time of Atum.
Psy0psAgent 2 months ago
@Psy0psAgent Are you saying that you interpreted "until autumn" to mean "before and during autumn"? I have to say that strikes me as a novel definition of "until"; I'm pretty sure I've only seen people use it previously to mean "before but NOT during." Merriam-Webster gives the example "not available until tomorrow", which certainly doesn't mean "not available before and during tomorrow."
HebaruSan 2 months ago
@HebaruSan Oops. Not at all. Just parallel pattern matching words. Like saying amen and not amen ra. Or Legion of Ra instead of religion. Or how many Horus are in a day. Or that when the sun RA is in the east and SET is in the west. How HoTeP was a good builder and how ATUM means to complete or finish, the setting of a sun at the end of a creative cycle, like a season coming to an end. Just thinkin.
Psy0psAgent 2 months ago
the dopamine part was intresting cause when I was a christian I felt like I got a church high
mzyzer19 2 months ago 2
Music is important to religion, but it appears 80's Glam metal:
watch?v=yoM3KNNkOrM
... was closer to the true Darwinian evolutionary purpose than Gospel music and hymns.
zarkoff45 2 months ago
I have to disagree with Mr Thomson on one point. I don't believe that children who are subjected to the "costly rituals" later, are not more prone to continue to believe in Father Christmas. Somewhere around the age of 7 or 8 years old, children instinctively begin to "figure it out." I did, while my parents continued with the facade. I pretended to believe for at least 2 years after I "figured it out."
Hereticbooks 2 months ago
@Hereticbooks , Sure , and it my country add ' Saint Nicolas Day '. I knew at a young age it was not real , but I liked the money and sweets in my shoe.....:)
ComradeAgopian 2 months ago
@ComradeAgopian
exactly! Which it is that much more perplexing that religious beliefs continue into adulthood.
Hereticbooks 2 months ago
I'd hoped for more from this series of videos. All we have is a wide ranging compendium of ideas and opinions.
No falsifiable hypothesis = no science.
cristop5 2 months ago
Grate interview, sorry I don't have anything more substantial to contribute.
Disthron 2 months ago
Morality without god? Thunderfoot did an excellent video on that, using "civil" animal behavior as examples.
Prelude610 2 months ago
I'm not sure it's an entirely sound anecdote, but that pentecostal arm raising is a disturbing mix of sad and funny.
dookiecheez 2 months ago 2
Man made god? You fucking genius!! Morality can go suck its own cock, btw, I only play along as long as it suits me.
Parapon3ra 2 months ago
Great series here, thanks much.
MacNutz2 2 months ago
@dprjones despite it all, God doesn't disappear.
420messenger 2 months ago
@420messenger God is extremely tenacious, but he's not immortal. Just ask Zeus.
USERNAMEfieldempty 2 months ago
@420messenger God would have to appear before he could disappear.
NemoUtopian 2 months ago
@420messenger Of course God doesn't disappear. How could he? He never appeared in the first place. You have to be here before you can leave, and you have to exist before you can be here. So God is in no danger of ever disappearing.
Squagnut 2 months ago
@420messenger
Slight correction here:
The number of the ACTUAL CreatorZ/G-Ds is totally unknown and defies comprehension even (broken, irrational and negative numbers are thinkable) The same apllies for [its/his/their] Behaviour: Totally unknown. They might appear and fade AD theior LIBITUM. The evolved, mutated Abrahamic MONO-G-D is a product of collective humanZ' BrainZ - did you not know that?! BTW: You are the product of a F*KK not of a DIVINE immaterial insemination.
kleenex3000 2 months ago
I love the comparison between a Pentecostal worship service and a child's pleas for attention. Having attended a few Pentecostal services I can attest to the fact that their worship style is very much akin to an infantile request for affection. It really does look childish if you were to look at it from any other vantage point, outside of a religious context.
alphacause 2 months ago
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Silly atheist, hope you all burn ion hell, just like mr hitchy:)
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989 No wonder you hate us, you can't understand us because we use proper grammar!
SorryStamin 2 months ago
@kvj1989 You are evil.
6000000000 2 months ago
@kvj1989 if there is a hell, then this is hell, where people threaten others to burn eternally for which we are given for nature, which is reason.
fofobot 2 months ago 3
@kvj1989 Lovely example of a religion that's supposed to stand for an all loving omnibenevolent god isn't it? Your religion is nearly endlessly self refuting, and you bigots at the center are some of the most disgusting pieces of shit in America. That said I wish no harm on you. The fact that the general public even within your own religion views you guys as hateful idiots is punishment enough. Enjoy the rest of your sad, narrow-minded life.
hockeater 2 months ago
@kvj1989 If there is a hell then I'll see you there as you seem to wish pain on others, I do believe that's against the rules in the magic book you people seem to worship :P
PlayingGilly 2 months ago
@kvj1989
Burning sensations require materialistic physiological processes, iow: LIVING Organism. Scientifically proven. The same applies for emotions like happy- or Sad-ness. Do yopu know that there is a disposition which leads to not feeling heat? Very dangerous, particularly for children.
kleenex3000 2 months ago
@kleenex3000 Actually, all emotions and sensations could be simulated perfectly (and with much greater intensity, if so desired) in a computer. Forever. Within a few decades (or years?) we'll be able to create both heaven and hell. These are interesting times indeed...
Parapon3ra 2 months ago
@kvj1989 I feel sorry for you.
FSAthe1st 2 months ago
@kvj1989 according to the book you claim to live by, you have just put yourself in danger of hell fire.
MacNutz2 2 months ago
@kvj1989 Get well soon.
PS: There is no Hell.
TheEvilOfScientology 2 months ago
@kvj1989 You are just upset the priest didn't get to mentally molest the child before the moral tests.
Paxmax 2 months ago
@kvj1989 troll
PluralOfEverything 2 months ago
@kvj1989 eternal torture give you a boner? rethink your moralities you sick pathetic creature.
spacecoke 2 months ago
@kvj1989 What the hell is wrong with you! How dare you say something like that! How would you feel if a Muslim, or Jew said that about someone who influenced you! I would imagine you would be offended! You sir/mam are the problem with the world today. You people don't care about anything except your precious after life which you have just as much IF NOT MORE of a chance of being wrong about it as everyone else. You make me sick, how could you ever wish something like that on some one! FUCK YOU!
TheViolentBuddha 2 months ago
@kvj1989 see you there, we'll have fun.
SuperJBrowne 2 months ago
@kvj1989 idiot
BjornSeverinLarsen 2 months ago
@kvj1989 "I think everyone should dedicate their lives to science in some form or another. Everyone that doesn't want to do that should be exiled, or killed."
posted 5 months ago by kvj1989 (Tf00t vs Comfort, vid 2)
Well, look at that. Another hypocritical christian. How surprising.
(hint: exile or kill everyone who doesn't devote their life to some pursuit of science. This series of vids IS science! Please kill yourself and prove you're not a hypocrite. :3)
Alisterwolf66 2 months ago 3
@Alisterwolf66 Oh atheist scum, you lie so well:)
Keep pretending god doesn't exist, you'll see.
Just like mr hitchy saw:)
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989 What did "Hitchy" see exactly?
SwuaveWEB 2 months ago
@kvj1989
A decent person would never be happy about somebody else being tortured. If you really believe that crap and even smile about it, you are a horrible person and should be ashamed of yourself.
Cromwell523 2 months ago
@Cromwell523 Atleast i'm going to heaven, mr hitchy is burning in hell.
And btw, now he knows:)
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989 nice trollin.
unkaodya 2 months ago
@kvj1989
How would you know?
Cromwell523 2 months ago
@Cromwell523 Cause i believe in god, derp.
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989
I know, that you pretend to believe this shit, but my question was: "How would you know?"
Cromwell523 2 months ago
@Cromwell523 And i know you pretend to not believe in this 'shit':)
And i know because of the bible, derp.
You see unlike you, i actuely have evidence.
kvj1989 2 months ago
@kvj1989
the bible is as much of a proof of god as harry potter is proof of voldemort you dumb fuck
:P
Cromwell523 2 months ago 12
@Cromwell523 It isn't about proof. There is probably more sense in the bible than there is evolution. Much more wise words said by Jesus, than I've ever heard any human say. It isn't about proof. God does not care to prove the world he exists, but to show YOU he exists, he will not show you if you do not want to, otherwise that is by force. He created bad for there to be good, and thus gave us choices and free will. There is so much more to religion than proof. It can teach you valuable lessons.
ThePuckington 2 months ago
@ThePuckington If you think there's more sense in the Bible than in evolutionary theory, you either know nothing about evolutionary theory, or nothing about the Bible.
joeloud1 2 months ago
@ThePuckington
The primitive goatherders who wrote the bible didn´t have the slightest clue about anything. They didn´t even know that the sun is responsible for our daylight (see Genesis) or what stars are.
So cut out the preaching. I'm not interested in superstition and little bit too old for imaginary friends.
Cromwell523 2 months ago
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@ThePuckington "God does not care to prove the world he exists, but to show YOU he exists, he will not show you if you do not want to, otherwise that is by force"
Poppycock!! You are not forcing me to accept YOUR existence. You are interacting in reality. IF God does exist, either we have some way to demonstrate that he manifests in reality indicating that he does in fact exist or we don’t. If we don’t , then his existence is indistinguishable from his nonexistence
hawklord2001 1 month ago
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@ThePuckington "There is so much more to religion than proof. "
I posit that virtually everything that you think you know about God has been taught to you by someone using The Bible. The rest you have conjured up in your own mind. How do you determine what is Gods influence on your choices and what is your own internal dialogue? I find it curious that If one believes you will find that God is always on your side.
hawklord2001 1 month ago 16
@ThePuckington " It can teach you valuable lessons."
Possibly, however anything and everything that The Bible has to say concerning the afterlife or the supernatural cannot be taken seriously. Just remind yourself that throughout the entire recorded human history every mystery that we have solved concerning our understanding of nature not one answer has concluded that the hand of god was involved. Not one.
hawklord2001 1 month ago
@hawklord2001 How can you define Gods power? He makes something be and through science we discover the routes of its formation. When we discover the big bang, 2 substances clashed, what happened before that. With what source?
How can a substance become anything if time does not exist. Our earth is living, a consciousness made it be. Or the entire opposite and we make up the reason to believe that we're meant for something. And if mankin didn't, anarchy...but why? The mystery of life.
ThePuckington 1 month ago
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@ThePuckington "How can you define Gods power?"
I don't have to.
" Our earth is living, a consciousness made it be'
On what grounds do you base this assertion?
"we make up the reason to believe that we're meant for something."
I think that's what you are doing correct?
hawklord2001 1 month ago
Excellent interview Dpr, looking forward to part 3
PlayingGilly 2 months ago