Phoenix Fire CO2 Incident Review.mpg

[SaphireQueen]

that is scary. We had something simular in a church in our territory. I was glad I was unable to ride the truck at point. 6 of our firefighters went to the hospital dealing with the situation. 5 patrons, 6 firefighters, 2 cops. if i am remembering my numbers correctly.

[bfromhold]

Thanks for the informational video! Glad no one was seriously hurt. Thank you for posting your video to share with others, especially those in the fire service like myself. Hopefully it'll help emergency responders to approach these types of calls in a less "routine" manner. It'll definitely be a reminder for me to approach scenes "expecting the unexpected".

[Texasreiguy]

Great video and thanks for sharing! We just found three restaurants like this in our area.. Do you have any docs on this emergency you can share other than a video? Thanks

[zgseattle7]

1)The transfer hoses were not compliant with CGA P-1 or IFC Section 3005.7

2)The basement was not equipped with a mechanical ventilation system in accordance with IFC Section 3007.2

Warning signs for occupants and responders are a requirement as well. I’m heading out with my clipboard now….be safe.

[zgseattle7]

Thank you PFD for sharing your experience! This call made me wonder if there were any Fire Code violations for their storage practices. I looked in the IFC (and got some help from an expert) and found a couple of issues here that would have prevented this situation...

[PaulBalentine]

Kudos, to the Phoenix Fire Department for putting the spotlight on this unique incident. This incident highlights the importance of using all your senses on a call. What seems like a "routine" medical call at the outset could be something entirely different. This could happen anywhere and to anybody. Thank You for sharing your "lessons learned" with the rest of us. Be safe, Brothers,

PB

[MstrSftwr]

Thank you for sharing. This is good for training.

[femkem99]

God job guys.From the begining to the end of the story.

[crushedlt]

@pjdeanjr. Thanks fir the video, my dept was just talking about purchasing 3 new meters the night before I saw this video. We were going to buy three meters for 3 gas. I think now we will purchase 2 three gas and 1 five gas since the 5 gas detects CO2. Glad I saw this video so we can purchase the correct equipment. Thanks and stay safe.

[PJDeanjr]

@alefkowitz2: Thank you for your comment and taking the time to watch our video. My mention of "natural gas" in the video was referring to the piped utility of natural gas that residences and commercial establishments use in our area for cooking, heating, water heaters, etc. @87 mini is correct, it is essentially methane gas with an odorant added for safety purposes. Our

[PJDeanjr]

entry team elected to take our natural gas specific Gas Ranger meter because I am a big fan of meter redundancy in unknown environments and due to the fact that the restaurant had a large supply of natural gas to it, we were also were concerned for the possibility of an underground migration of natural gas from a leak in another location. The scientific explanation goes well above my head but we were later told by the manufacturer of the Gas Ranger meter that the chemical structure of CO2 can

[PJDeanjr]

mimic that of natural gas in the detection process of the Gas Ranger meter. This is why were were getting large readings of natural gas on the Gas Ranger meter and no combustible gas readings on the Sirius meter which uses a different detection process than the Gas Ranger. This phenomenon was news to us and one of the primary reasons of why this incident was a little bit of a tricky one. Thanks again for watching the video and please spread the word of what we learned here. Sincerely, P.J. Dean

[brettadamsga1]

Thanks for the info, I will be passing this along to others.

[87mini]

Natural gas is mainly methane. The multi-gas meters that have combustible gas, oxygen and CO detection (their "serious meter") are usually calibrated for larger chain hydrocarbons like hexane (theirs look like it was calibrated to isobutylene). Some departments have a meter that is specifically calibrated to methane - a"natural gas" meter - their "Gas Ranger". Gas companies carry those too. This instrument is sensitive to CO2 as well, so the CO2 caused the false positive. Nice job, guys!

[Canfiremedic]

Thanks for sharing this incident. Enforces the fact that routine calls are not always routine.

Stay safe!

[Woodson26]

Excellent information and presentation !

[ClaytonFireDeptNC]

Thanks for sharing! 

[ClaytonFireDeptNC]

Thanks for sharing! We will be sharing for our upcoming HazMat refresher!

[ClaytonFireDeptNC]

Thanks for sharing!! Will be using for our upcoming HazMat refresher!

[phxfire1952]

Great Video!!!!!

[21AcesFtrSqdn]

Thank god no one else was hurt!

[21AcesFtrSqdn]

First!!!!!!!!