Game of Death: Shocking French 'Torture' show was documentary experiment

[heartchya88]

we are conditioned to obey...

parents, school, etc

[heartchya88]

damn those Canadians and their special TV...

this is a more dramatic example of Milgram's experiment because the "contestant" was being egged on by more than just one authority, the crowd was a huge deciding factor. this experiment is a perfect example of peoples willingness to follow orders. people are going to give in to someone who they think is an authority figure more than half of the time. Zimbardo (Stanford Prison Experiment) did this on an episode of Dr. Phil and it proved the same

[TimdeJong]

The experiment is a farce anyway. Take away the visual and there is no emotional connection. The part where the contestant was so called ´unconscious´ actually lifted the barrier of the audio making it easier for the ´punishers´.

This barely shows people are willing to shock other people if they aren´t confronted with it. When there is no connection between contestant and punisher at all. It has nothing to do with willingness to follow orders at all.

[aserinuk]

Does anyone know where I can download the full documentary or watch it online??

[tigerstone91]

@aserinuk You can watch it on the CBC, but I think only Canadians can watch it

[safarigurl150]

This was a famous french or german experiment. they were testing out Nazi era mentality of executing "on command" from a higher power and the innoncence or lack thereof of those involved. 

[nowhereman6]

@safarigurl150 Not french or german experiment, it was a north american experiment (Yale University), and no Nazi era, it started in 1961.

Bravo!

[rockboy182696]

The documentary was presented as a social commentary on the effects of humiliation in reality television and obeying orders, and its broadcast was followed by a studio discussion on the programme.

[veniceit1]

The French are very brave souls, under certain circumstances. During WWII they bravely waved their white flags at the Germans and did everything the NAZIS told them to do. Then, when the American came ashore and started to defeat the Germans and drive them out of France, they just loved Americans and changed sides again. The French are kind of choosy when it comes to acting brave. Now they bravely dislike Americans because they currently don't need American military assistance.

[LinkBulletBill]

@veniceit1

No it's more complicated than that. France doesn't hate America that much as America hates France... Remember America started hating France first.

Also it was both the armies of France and America who made the Germans back off.

Still they could have taken over America easily if Japan would have followed their plan, but no, those Japs had to cause "Pearl Harbor", thus making America entered the war. Mostly it wasn't Americans who stopped the Nazis, Americans stopped Japan.

[BadWithNames123]

france is crazy

[LinkBulletBill]

@BadWithNames123

no. it's psychology.

In US, there was an apartment who all the people inside witnessed through their wide windows a girl getting murder, and no one called the cops, because of each of them thought "I don't want to get involve in this, and for sure someone else would call the cops, don't want the humiliation to the 5th or 6th caller."

This wasn't an experiment. Same thing about the homeless man in winter who slipped & broke a leg in a public street, no one helped & he died.

[juwagr]

Experiments like this aren't even allowed nowadays in academia because of the psychological trama they inflict on participants. Plus, what's the value added of this experiment if it's already one of the most well known psychological experiments? Leave research to researchers.

[LinkBulletBill]

@juwagr

Well we need to let people out there to acknowledge this experiment, so when it is their turn they take the right choice. But it is like when there is a shooter in a school and kids are stuck in a classroom, and he enters that class and starts shooting, the kids are most probably going to coward, try to hide or run away, even though the best guard is to self defense, scare the opponent away, throw chairs, you are all one big gang and could easily take the shooter down, but no...

[Xceles618]

ROFL Milgram strikes again....i'm kinda glad this show was put on his work was legendary

[yohomofo]

where could i see the show

[Elavats]

@blacklite911;Unfortunately common factors on the lifestyles of the participants has nothing to do with the results. Every time this experiment has been done, approximately 60% of people will inflict pain in this type of environment. Race, social stature gender didn't matter.

"Group think" is also a powerful persuasive technique used to manipulate people to behave a certain way. If advertisers can convince you that to fit in or be cool you must look a certain way, they can sell you anything.

[dunnowy123]

Viva La France?

[lancerhammer]

Viva La Torture!!!

[mamasuntwinkle]

So much for ethics AND humanity. You have all been desensitized to think like animals. -- Salon Aricle 2007. "The CIA's torture teachers: Psychologists helped the CIA exploit a secret military program to develop brutal interrogation tactics...two CIA-employed psychologists, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, were at the center of the program...SERE..."

[necroclerico]

@mamasuntwinkle

animals are better: they NOT ever invent torture or Auschwitz

[LinkBulletBill]

@necroclerico

false... animals against other animals, there is torture, of self defense...

But it is just to warn the other animal not to pay him a visit again or harm him.

Humans are more complex because of our mind, conscious, subconscious and imagination...

[necroclerico]

@LinkBulletBill

false what. self defense is not torture or sadism. even a child knws that. u should learn ethology i think. no animal - except some apes as Chimpanzees - fells pleasure in persecuting an anemy or rival beyond the mere essential needs of basic survival.

[LinkBulletBill]

@necroclerico

Animals can inflict a torturous pain through self defense...*

[necroclerico]

@LinkBulletBill

OK U are kidding. The question is not the pain but the necessity of that. Sure a Tiger bite is bad... but it is not accountable as a permanent and repeated torture inflicted by man i.e. life in a lager? Too difficulto to chatch the simple clear plain difference? Maybe yes, but ONLY 4 U.

[LinkBulletBill]

@necroclerico

uh, I made a mistake, but you still don't understand, when a skunk sprays another animal it is meant for self-defense, however it could be torturous for the animal who was blinded by the skunk till it gets its vision back.

Torture is sick, but humanity is complex.

If you would be in their situation you would have kept pressing the buttons, or be that 20% to 40% that will disagree to take part.

But you don't know until it happens.

[necroclerico]

@LinkBulletBill

Really I think that still u have no idea about the concept of torture and sadism. I suppose that this game is more suitable for humans. Any kind of animal doesn't keep the button, simply stating: "Is he menacing my cubs? NO. Is he competing with me for this piece of meat? NO. I quit." Human: "I want to be famous, i don't give a shit. And then many are capable to "torture" a men till death beyond and I stress the point beyond the "bare necessities" of wildlife. Bye

[LinkBulletBill]

@necroclerico

You spell correctly, but your grammar is terrible to the point you bamboozle me...

Sorry?

"Any kind of animal doesn't keep the button"... What?!

This experiment has been done in many situations, not only for fame, but once just because they were in an experiment and this scientist told them just to continue on.

[necroclerico]

@LinkBulletBill

I am trying to be clearer: no animal could ever torture just to keep going any experiment. clear, simple, obvious? Any question?

[GaxAngel]

Finally a way to legally kill people. I won't have to hide the bodies any more.

[noodlesmealey]

@GaxAngel you should keep it a secret too that you hide my dick in your mouth.

[SofaKingWeTodEd666]

@GaxAngel lol i know right, it's a pain in the ass disposing of bodies!

[blacklite911]

I would like to examine the common factors on the lifestyles of the participants because I want to know what puts them in that mindset of being able to numb their conscience, who are the psychopaths anyway and what lifestyle choices do the ones who refused make.

I would like to believe personally since I fucking hate group think (misfit and proud of it) that I couldn't do such a thing, who gives a shit about the popular opinion. I wonder if that mentality plays into it.

[Shryce]

@blacklite911

That actually was part of the program.

It examined how the participants waved away their consciences, laughing it away, closing their minds to the victim's cries and such.

To state the people who went all the way administering shocks as psychopaths is a groce misintepretation of this study. In effect, they really are the 'normal people'.

To properly appreciate the people who refused giving more shocks they should be regarded as special, not the other way around.

Go watch it.

[blacklite911]

@Shryce U misinterpreted what I wrote. I listed three things I wanted to see. 1. Lifestyles of the majority, the people who are psychopaths, and the lifestyles of the ones who didn't do it. I wasn't calling the majority psychopaths, ergo I separated them with a comma.

[LinkBulletBill]

@blacklite911

Psychopaths have no emotions at all...

The least of them find killing orgasmic,

the most are just them trying to act the norm.

Would psychopaths find this hard, no since they have no emotion, but they wouldn't care of getting money or famous either.

Depending how the psychopath was grown up, he/she would deny or go all the way.

You don't how you'll act when in this situation (when it is different), your true nature will come then. No one knows their true nature.

[LinkBulletBill]

@blacklite911

Also the participants in this were encouraged by both the audience and the host.

Each time they weren't sure, the audience will say GO. But if the audience would have the same feelings for the contestant, then it would be easier for the person to let go. Doesn't matter about if it is quantity or quality of the people, because this experiment has been many times, but if it is one person, that person needs to seem he/she has more power then the participant. Audience is quantity.

[lastpoet1]

as plp can see they r using the roman format to make plp 4 get the problems by using plp's misery i hope they are shown that in the movie they made its just a old idea revamped 4 today its bein used cause it is proven to work like attacking its selve to blame another to start wars i wish plp would just open there eyes and read history on all sides

[4Dmetricology]

I would max out the voltage first thing, and keep the power on for as long as I could. Thats how you win the game.

I am an outlier. Look it up dinks.

[MEpianist]

Vive la France!

[goddifist]

@MEpianist VIVA LA NAPOLEON!!

[mrbriscoe2001]

The motivation..to be on a Reality Show....What else can you say....

[rcmontecalvo]

this is an old experiment

[marcbreton509]

Il's like in the Simpsons in the episode "There's No Disgrace Like Home"

[BeakyRed]

omg i thought this was real lol. man i was thinking "wtf is wrong with them" still its disturbing to know they would do that in real life

[JuusanKikan]

Pfft, I would have told those directors to go **** themselves and left. No way would I cause anyone pain for a few minutes on TV!

...No, actually, I know about this experiment, so I would have blown the whistle and told all of the other would-be contestants what was happening. >D

Still, I can't believe people who don't know about the experiment would still fall for it in this day and age. Sickening.

[TheMasteratLink]

lol, big man. "I would have told those directors to go **** themselves and left"...no you wouldn't. "No way would I cause anyone pain for a few minutes on TV!" yes you would.

[JuusanKikan]

@TheMasteratLink First of all, I'm a girl. Second, you're right. I'd never have volunteered to begin with. I wouldn't want to be on TV, period. Bleh.

[blacklite911]

maybe he would, u never know. 20% (the amount of people who didn't shock ppl) is a reasonable amount to attribute that some may misfit the norm.

[msmandii143]

we watched this in psychology. human nature is so wierd. yu shud all watch the harvard prison experiment. crazy shit dood

[SurvivalWithBushcraf]

Thats nunkin futs bro.

[tyronebiggums3]

This is not new. I saw the exact same experiment on a YouTube video. It was a black and white video, the experiment being conducted a long time ago.

[a7green]

....... Some ppl will do anything for Money & Fame.

And that's what "they" count on.

[666Qtip666]

yeah i read about that in my psyc. class, pretty interesting,

somewhere inside of us all of us are nazis

[klard]

In the USA we are willing to imprison people for large parts of or all of their lives for the most ridiculous reasons.

[batfly]

The French totally stole this idea from Doug Stanhope...

watch?v=IrbmIa9yqPI

[craighambo76]

@batfly was actually a study first conducted by dr stan milgram in 1960 look him up

[lunando9]

its not a real game show, its a copy of the old experiement, to see if people would do it if they were told to by an authority figure, in this cake the host, the audience and tv

[BankofSpirit]

pure ignorance + arrogance in flesh, snake-oil sales, use trickery/deceit, deception for fiat$, fiat fame. These things, fiat-life producers, treat those who are alive, non-CORPSe, as commodities, life as meaningless w/o celebrity endorsement, pretend-time/idle & idol worship. Theirs is the fiat world, it's crumbling yet so many weak spirits dive head first into hell for eternity. We're all born from universes colliding, we're each a universe but the many debase themselves to be a fleeting star.

[DNchap1417]

This game looks like straight out of Saw!

Hello contestant: I want to play a game!

[Dyhalto10]

"Game of Death" game show.

You must climb a tower, fighting opponents on each floor. First floor is $10,000 and each floor is a cumulative prize of $10,000.

If you're in a jam, you can use a phone call to call Bruce Lee to whoop that floor's opponent.

I was intending this post to be a joke, but that actually sounds like an awesome idea.

[KASPLARFO]

If anyone has studied psychology, this is an OLD experiment.

Disgusting that they made a TV show about it.

[xxXghislainXxx]

Its estimated that more than 100,000 Americans are electroshocked each year; half are 60 and older, and two-thirds are women. In Australia, it was recently revealed that psychiatrists had electroshocked 55 toddlers age four and younger. In the UK, three year olds have been brutalized with it. And one of the countrys leading mental health patients rights groups—the National Alliance of Mental Illness (NAMI)—recently endorsed the use of electroshock on pregnant women.

[azis1100]

Love it.

[AngelPrincess234]

I don't care if it's reality show! It has to die! that poor man could've been killed!

[hefeltbad]

ok what kinda sick fuck would watch this type of programing.?...especially if it were real.

[a23b23]

they studies us like we study rats. I belive many experiments are on and we don't even know we are part of it

[eyeswideshuttt]

Freaks.,

[Fight4Privacy]

Russia Today is one smart news programme, Russia Today is a critical thinking news show

[bofors7715]

Test.

[bofors7715]

Test.

[virn11]

evil freaks

[Bomburk]

Only in france

[copie692012]

@lisajason111: this was the same thing with Milgram experiment.

[AlexanderPimm]

stanley milgram already did this study and guess what: people shocked others to death even when they thought it was real oh and btw this study was deemed immoral and is banned in APA from ever happening again

[copie692012]

I'm french and I saw it. It was just an experiment of Milgram to see the limit acceptance of authority. People who played in didn't know it was a fake one (not the lady and the guy in the box). Players didn't play for MONEY and only 9 on 80 persons decided to stop it. That's terrible, because a majority of them understood they could kill someone just because it was asked by the authority.

If think almost 100% would continued if there was MONEY to win.

[Balzy73]

Heading towards "running man" types of games .

[Xabesroth]

Wee french people are a bit too kinky...Sorry.

[AntiPr0ph3t]

Imagine if both sides of this "experiment" were actors secretly pretending to be reality show contestants in order to become famous... lol

[theslimeylimey]

@AntiPr0ph3t and then interviewed by actors pretending to be journalists.

[AntiPr0ph3t]

@theslimeylimey and commented on by journalists pretending to be actors.

[theslimeylimey]

@AntiPr0ph3t and watched by researchers pretending to be actors posing as audience members but who are really newspaper columnists with a clipboard and fake glasses.

[AntiPr0ph3t]

@theslimeylimey It's a complicated world we live in, it's almost like all the worlds a stage.

[reeram]

What kind of sick freaks would even consider this type of nonsense? Just to have their 15 seconds of fame. This is a shame. Only 16 of the 80 wouldn't go along and play. Kudos to the 16. If it had been in the US, these stupid fame hounds here would have seen to it the guy was zapped if they had to throw water on him and stick a live wire to him. just sick.

[707RipOtee]

well obviously we are not the only sick freaks in the world. Who colonized the Americas?

[mipmipmipmipmip]

This was done in the 60s by the Americans already, people. Just that it's now televised doesn't make it more shocking.

[mattlewis66]

Just another sign of the detoriation of French culture.

[coolhandjackman]

Stanford Prison Experiment (Documental).avi

Put normal people in a conflict with authority and morality, most will follow authority.

See also Stanley Milgram

[whitestar111]

i think it was a test to see if any 1 would say anything about it if no 1 said anything about it they would keep doing it if some 1 did they would just say it was fake and move on and try to find another thing

[Parapon3ra]

Gay & fake, which is too bad... People need to stop being such sanctimonious pussies about this, and admit that deep down we all like a bit of hardcore action. Personally I'd love to see gladiatorial combat, killer/torture game shows & public executions, and I know I'm not the only one. If those involved do it of their own free will, or are convicted criminals, there is no moral issue, and if it's done in an orderly fashion according to common sense rules, it isn't 'uncivilized' either.

[Ristar85]

lol.. psyc ppl seem to have a real fixation on this experiment.

is it because it is one of the more fun ones? lol...

[DominoChild]

This is what i learned about in my Psycology class last semester except that experiment was done during the 70's i believe.

[merkyaleez59]

i love russian news they tend to tell the truth and have way kooler storys

[MrSpieldose]

they are French...

[Catandthespoon]

Probably if they had done this in the US, the number would have been closer to 100% willing to shock the people.

[skytmac]

lol

[Kinkspace]

Thank you RT yet again you do a great job, nice to have others reading from the same page :)

[lisajason111]

Any difference from the famous Milgram experiment?

[Kinkspace]

Yes but most people would not know of this unless they read scientific publications or seen it pop up in a related topic documentary. Its good that RT are broadcasting such stories.

[lllraverslll]

@lisajason111 no

[DominoChild]

Yeah thats the experiement i was thinking about that i learned in my psy. class.

[zx169]

Nope, just newer times

[DStyle86]

@lisajason111 None. It's exactly the same scheme with given authority and it's abuse. The idea is ancient, but times are rough the media needs a story to sell.

[InimishusAnimo]

Yes! People going on reallity show are a bunch of morrons

[Ecci]

As far as I can tell, exactly the same. Milgram popped straight into my head when I read about this show, and aside from the inclusion of a "studio audience" and that the documentary claims to show the power of persuasion from popular media as opposed to just an authority figure, it's the exact same thing.

[blacklite911]

same but the popular media is a key variable to look at especially in today's climate because a lot of people aren't doing things because of an authority figure nowadays but rather because of "group think".

[drugaddict1235]

@lisajason111 Nope people do need to be reminded of how easy it is to manipulate others, Reminders of this help prevent harmful doctrines from infecting our minds and arm. us with the mental knowhow to say no to this

[Tressco]

Test rerun.

People still dumb.

Fascism can come...

[Catandthespoon]

Yeah, I think everyone was thinking that and indeed, it was inspired by it according to BBC.

[Elavats]

It is the same as the Milgram experiment originally done in the 60s under a different setting. The results however are the same. Over 60% of people, regardless of race, social status, or gender will inflict pain on someone else if ordered to do so.

[Adastra14]

@Elavats

Exactly...and there is no other way about it. plain and simple.

and these excuses that its immoral to "exploit" these contestants in such a manner is petty and unfounded compared to this "bigger" picture.

so yes. you are right.

peace.

[CalebBooker]

@Elavats Results were different this time around. They hit over 80%.

Also remember that this was in France. They protest at the drop of a hat these days. Anywhere else and... I shudder to think... we're really, really well trained...

[defiythelie]

ok this is bullshit. these people where on a game show so I am sure they knew that it was not really even if they where not told so. I mean come on you go to be on a game show them you see some thing like thing no shits is fake.

[jacksansum]

this is fucked up

[KhmerD0g]

fuck yeah. stalin, saddam and hitler would enjoyed that shit

[AlmightyJerk]

@KhmerD0g

Don't forget obama, pelosi, uh that douche bag for a VP, whatever his name is. Cheney, bush(s) and so on...

[NeaFrea]

@KhmerD0g You know NOTHING about Germany and the Germans so STOP your anti Germanic hate-speech 65 years after the END of ww2!!!

[KhmerD0g]

@NeaFrea

the truth hurts. #LOL

[NeaFrea]

@KhmerD0g ..... you?

[30DOTCOM]

Assholes, haven't seen this kind of shit, especially from the French in a while.

[Thimmet]

@30DOTCOM Oh wow. That was JUST A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPERIMENT and no real electric shocks were used.

[mickeykozzi]

first