Paintball Super Loaders: Empire Prophecy Z2, Dye Rotor, Pinokio Hopper vs. Valken V-MAX

[OBAMA1230]

The z2 sounds like a steam engine...not worth 200 bucks...valken v max is perfectly 100 bucks all hoppers do the same shit.

[SniperAce001]

my friend bought that dye rotor lol

[ImJoshinYah]

prophecy sounded faster than 16bps

[Subterfugeo]

One can only imagine the profit margin on the vmax. Looks like it would cost less than $5 to build.

[chaibill]

the rotor is the heaviest ? had no idea its heavier than the pinokio.

i have the pinokio and vmax don't see point to buy the rotor. i don't shoot more than 15bps.

[nerd2d]

9:02 and 27:27

[xBaconStrips]

you guys should really watch the whole video not just the part where he says which one he thinks is the best. because that way you can learn stuff about each rotor/hopper. Idk it just seems like skipping to the end is a waste of the guy who made the video's time. He spent alot of time collecting the information for these rotors.

[DevPo08]

contest: 9:02 and 27:27

[PaintballerPlace]

9:01 and 27:27

[brewskisdodge]

Thank you this helps out a lot In picking out my new loader!

[dogdemo12]

Nice try at 9:01 and I love it when it was at 27:27

[GuinnessFC]

Informative and Entertaining Video... Empire Logo at 9:01  27:27

[mrlethan]

9:01 and 27:27 and if I win I would like to thank social paintball and empire!!! :)

[greenballproductionz]

9:02 and 27:27

[walkingtaco1996]

9:01 and 27:27

[Prisoner1818]

9:01 & 27:27

[TheANTIHERO928]

9:01 And 27:27

[Danocancu]

Took me about a half hour of debate with myself but the EMPIRE logo appeared at 9:01-9:02 and then again at 27:27-27:28 according to the youtube timer...Good luck to all who entered but i really hope i can get this one!!

[WillS1020]

The Empire logo appeared at 9:01 and again at 27:27

[karnevilpb]

9:01 and 27:27 Lemme pop that baby on my geo 2!

[pranks0921]

9:02 and 27:27

[jamestwdm]

9:02 and 27:27

[paintballforlife31]

9:01 top left on box and sleeve 27:27

[destructionpntball]

Ignore the first comment; 9:01 and 27:27

[tylere85]

Empire logo top left @ 09:02 and sleeve @ 27:27

[MrGChuk]

 Im seein the logo at 9:02 and 27:27

[destructionpntball]

9:00 and 27:28 is what the logos were at

[xDyNaMiiCx1]

Empire logos are at 9:01 and 27:27.

[TyVan11]

So that showed me that that specific Clone VX can't operate faster than 16 bps the way its set up currently.

[Kissling12]

The times were 9:01 and 27:27

[TheAfroman29]

The times were 9:01 and 27:27 . Come on, baby! Show me the loader!

[InsanitY85riki]

Logo at 9:01 and 27:27

[ramiroebruno]

The empire logo are at 9:01 and 27:27 , i love the z2 to join ate my empire axe ^^

[alexandreee13]

Empire logos are at 9:01 and 27:27. <3 Empire

[AustinWaldeck]

Empire logos are at 9:02 and 27:27

[colinbrock1]

what gun is stickdrum shotting ????

[ShooterATC]

Logo's at 9:01 and 27:27, It would be sweet to win so I can do my own testing without having to drop that kind of cash...

[protoslgmeng]

Empire logos at 9:01 and at 27:27.

[koolkid1495]

empire logos at 9:01 and 27:27

[benizzzle88]

Empire logo at 9:01.88 and 27:27.69

[Sedgwickgeneral]

The empire logo apears at 9:02 and at 27:26

[IIIdye4egoIII]

@9:02 in the torn banner i do point out he is whering an empire mask also At @27:27 on his left arm our right of the screen when stick says drink lots and lots and lots of coffee

[kared117]

like 9:01.95 and the like 27:27.95 also

[KrakizkoloP]

9:02 and 27:27

[CraasHworks]

The v-max looks like a blimp

[dynasty755]

9:02 on the torn banner in the top right and then 27:27 on the right shoulder/arm 

[allpaint100]

at 9:02 and in the torn banner nearish the to right and at 27:26 on his left not our left his arm

[JKDR718]

9:02 in the teared up banner from the back of stingrays ops store in brooklyn :p

27:27 on his left arm, it blinks

[BAGGEDBIRDS]

at 9:02 inside the torn banner near top right and at 27:27 on his left (our right) bicept.

[pedromontano1]

9:02 TOPR RIGHT CORNER AND 27:26 BOTTOM RIGHT Empire!!

[natechand30]

logos at 9:01 and 2727

[djfievel]

Lol 1st one 9:00 2nd one at 27:27

[djfievel]

1st one at 9:00 2nd one at 9:27

[epicturtle23]

omg hard to see but 9:01 and 27:27

[Wartortle13]

I was really parinoid at first and stopped the video every time a little flash of light of any sort occured, and then I saw the first one and was like FML. But if I win then it would be worth it!

[MrRavenousBadger]

Thanks for the review :D makes it much easier to decide which one to get :D

[chrispr29]

12 people bought a V-MAX

[xXKinGofbLadEsXx]

so how exactly does the rotor stop feeding if it has no eyes or a sensor?

[MultiYoyo23]

I hope I win because its my birthday!!! ZXD

[SamiDullard10]

What speed feed is that on the rotor? any suggestions on a good speed feed for the rotor? I'm currently using dye's speed feed.

[Rotoziptheman]

@SamiDullard10 Exalt makes the best speedfeeds



[MrGmoney515]

9:01

[xlopez830]

Dope review!



[thefliper]

aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww­wwwwwwwwwwwww

[MrJdh567]

Diggin the 'stache!

[Akjefa]

he looks like someone from assassins creed

[protomankid1017]

i was sitting there, peacfully enjoying my video. SUDDENLY *BAM* add. WTFFFFF??!?!?!!?!?!?!?

[Russellelkins1]

:)

[Tht1guy63]

thts weird bagging for the pinokio mine came in a legit box

[techreviewer27]

@Tht1guy63 they just switched to the bags

[Tht1guy63]

@techreviewer27 thats kinda cheezy i wldnt buy have bought it knowing it wldnt be in a box even though i only paid 100 when they first came out haha

[kobukatsu]

I thought at the end he was going to say drink lots and lots of beer

[MisterBlackSmoke]

Whats the song at the end of this vid?

[PaintballinHD]

I play cold weather Atlantic Provinces farther North then Maine

[xMrSebastianXD]

What about the Rip Clip??

[pmrBCS]

what has the smaller profile? (rotor or z2)

[Venon1387]

i got a z2 for christmas and played with it to day and OMFG it was amazing used my friends rotor and the z2 was better in my personal oppinion

[pmrBCS]

@Venon1387 i cant decide what to get... which one has a smaller profile?

[Venon1387]

@pmrBCS the v2

[xxdavidtrankillsxx]

How fast does the z2 and the valken go ?

[walkingturret3]

what do you say is the best loader here, i am looking for a high grade loader and was wondering which one?-sam

[the1997beast]

@walkingturret3 i'm looking at the z2 myself because it is cheaper and is the 2nd in it's line and it seems like it is a quality product i've used the rotor some and it is definately great but the only thing for me is the price hope this kinda helps

[Pablorocks100]

@walkingturret3 Either the Empire Z2 Loader, or the Dye Rotor. Both of them work great . but the Dye Rotor is bought more because its made from 'Dye' .. But it is actually a very good hopper. It also depends on what you want to use. If you are going to be playing with a very fast gun, you might need to get the Dye Rotor. But if you're not going to crank the gun up to its last mode, then consider in buying the Empire Z2 or the Pinokio Hopper.

[OneOfMyBadDays]

some of you may think he was a bit harsh or kind of a douche but he wasn't. He made an honest, and a very good review. I had a vlocity that could shoot balls faster than my old v max. I saw this and i couldn't agree anymore on what he said about the v max.

[KILAFORNIAN805]

Dye rotor all the way!

[termisilva]

what happend to the box the pinokio came in?

[Ak74fr3ak]

hey guys what speed feed is on the z2 standard empire prophecy? and will the standard prophecy virtue speed feed work on the z2?



[MatrixPaintball]

i dont like the guy with the giant eyes and weird face in the beginning, i like sticktodrum :)

[Yeeaahh2]

If you cant deal with 10 second ads then you don't deserve to watch good quality videos.

[yankees1218]

i wouldn't buy the vmax if it was free it looks like an eggy and is worse than an eggy 

[randomshiz97]

LMAO thanks manny, thanks manny, thanks manny, gracias manny

[Higgy9795]

Okay so IMO, the rotor is way over priced. The pinokio kicks ass for woodsball, the empire is great in performance, battery life, and easy of accesibility. The vmax looks promising but I have never used one. I just don't get why you would pay 200 for a hopper. I would rather pay 20 and get a revvy haha but hey thats just what I think.

[Yeeaahh2]

Thank you many!

[Yeeaahh2]

i click the ads to help :3

[funfunnyworld]

Get a invert halo too sound activated you can make it feed faster or slower. Pretty easy to clean n to take apart. Check it out!

[codyschuyler]

vmax is the best looking but id expect somthing like that to be under 50

[codyschuyler]

id like to see the eggy4 compared also

[codyschuyler]

z2 is ugly

[carpenterbee10]

Rotor is the only hopper ive never broken the shell on, so im kind of stuck on it haha.

[pass0929]

where did you get that beautiful scale? does it have a back light?

[haffordj]

@pass0929 bed, bath and beyond.. it doesnt have a backlight, but does say "Biggest Loser Scale" on it (which is why I bought it) lol

[Aznboi986]

vmax sucks asssss

[huntman29]

@sticktodrum i dont have one but ill see if i can get one done this weekend

[MASKtheband]

Ad Block Pro is My Savior

[TreButter]

what u prefer z2 or rotor

[haffordj]

@TreButter Rotor as it keeps tension on the ball stack as you shoot. The z2 does not have any constant tension on the stack that changes as you shoot. Also, the z2 had more variance in ROF as it was firing. Rotor was more consistent at same bps speeds. They are tiny differences, but I noticed that you have a harder time totally emptying the z2 due to its floor tray design

[oddsource]

what scale is that man? That shit pwns!

[huntman29]

I have a vmax and it shoots way faster than yours did. check your battery next time. other than that nice vid.

[sticktodrum]

@huntman29 Batteries were new, and I tested two V-Max loaders. You have a video for me to look at? I'm curious as to why you have a loader that does what two of mine couldn't,

[fyfield59]

god i hope stick isn't living in a rental property, because he is not getting his bond back

[chromeheart22]

LOL V-MAX BITCHING SESH ?? :D

But I do agree :)

[method55]

I am getting 18bps out of the v-max on high speed camera.

[haffordj]

@method55 you didnt have it on a marker.. drop tests and actually firing it are totally different man

[method55]

@haffordj Agreed they are different, but I get about the same with a rotor. It should correlate.

[haffordj]

@method55 I have the rotor shooting at 26-29bps on an rtmag with a SHP ninja tank on video over on the hampden paintball channel. The gun outshot the rotor when it hit 29bps. So, I know the rotor will do 29bps and have it on youtube

[sticktodrum]

Drop tests are worthless. They don't show on-gun performance. That's why we don't do them.

[method55]

@sticktodrum hardly worthless. A lot less variables for comparison than on-gun tests.

[sticktodrum]

@method55 Removing variables means nothing if you're testing something for performance. The variable you're removing is the loader's ability to start and stop, which is what you're supposed to be testing for. You're thinking in poor scientific terms. You don't "remove variables" from a test so that you like your results better. Drop tests are worthless, because they don't show performance.

[DiRivalX]

I love my Z2 and my Rotor... But If I really had to choose between their pros and Cons, I'd Pick the Z2 for the bigger feedgate... The battery life isnt too great on it though from my experience :(

[ultraplayer2626]

ive always liked your videos and will continue to watch,but obviously the rate of fire on marker was changed with the prophecy. I have regular empire b halo that is sound activated feed faster than all 3 you researched!

[NEmachete]

It's YouTube... How are you paying to put these on the internet?... What, do you have to buy these shits brand new?? Where's the vljunior!!

[haffordj]

@NEmachete we got a few loaned by Hustle paintball, and empire donated the z2 and we had rotors. The z2 will be given away in an upcoming contest

[AUDIOSLAVE59]

That's crazy. Fast ass firerates.

[margui84]

Today is my birthday :( 7 December

[stevelynch98]

my Pinokio came in a box when i purchased it 2 years ago. Also i live in a cold climate the shell 't hasn't failed yet.

[SnakeDoctor78]

Very supprised by the 11 bps average. It did sound much slower in your video. I have seen a few videos that sound much faster. I call shenanigans.

[volenteertjm7373]

with all these advertisements im done watching your videos

[SocialPaintball]

@volenteertjm7373 With this comment I'm done making FREE videos for you to watch.

[the1997beast]

@SocialPaintball what's that song at the end of most of your videos?

[MrPyroEnthusiast]

@volenteertjm7373 your a dumbass dude. How do you think these guys make all the awesome videos? Takes time and MONEY. A 15 second advertisement is not that bad.

[avinash240]

@volenteertjm7373 Please ignore this guy, Social. Content takes time to create, you should get SOMETHING for your time.

[thewaysofaskater]

@volenteertjm7373 then get adblock

[the1997beast]

@volenteertjm7373 haterz gonna hate quality

[the1997beast]

@volenteertjm7373 and uhhh he's also making the green stuff

[OokamiDoragon]

@volenteertjm7373

If you were smart, you would look into using your hosts file to block ads like me. I haven't seen a youtube ad in 6 months. lawl

[HectorTsolodimos]

Rotor ftw

[huffnpuffpaintball]

Hmmm... I didn't know pinokio now does bags. I remember when mine came in a box, but that was well over a year ago

[bigschank]

At the end of the video, a white Empire logo appears and disappears on Stick's left sleeve. it is at 27:27, but you might want to put it at 27:25 and look for it. Whats up with that?

[poondawg]

Couple things: Are you sure you weren't capped? Rotor, pinokio, and z2 should have ripped a little faster. I love that hurricane speed feed on the rotor its glorious. I lolled when he had to prime the pinokio. You forgot about the shitty power button on the vmax and the battery draining issues. But I really enjoyed both takes on the products.

[sticktodrum]

@poondawg They were faster, but the average was posted for the sake of showing overall slow performance of the V-Max. We'll be posting peak value data shortly.

[terran698]

how good/bad would you say a vlocity w/dynasty upgrade kit would be compared to any of these?

[MrJomi77]

This video was great. And finally sticktodrum didn't do 30 annoying voices instead of just getting to the point.

[SocialPaintball]

@MrJomi77 Ditto.

[retrotellephone]

THE Z2 SOUNDS SO FAST

[tallsmallboys123]

In the V-Max's defense it was produced as a woodsball loader, in which case speed is not always key, but making sure it feeds and is quiet. I still would never buy one myself, just felt like adding a tidbit of info.

P.S. did you try the NXE loader?

[TheGatorfan37]

Get a faster gun the rotor will feed a lot faster

[eclipsecrazy]

The rotor had a high capacity shell during the weight test #faulty

[mariss711]

for the cost of the valken you should go get a halo too

[jamestwdm]

todays my sisters birthday!!!

[SocialPaintball]

@jamestwdm Happy birthday to your sister, from everyone at Social Paintball.

[jamestwdm]

@SocialPaintball she said thank you!!!!

[TBbucs121]

@jamestwdm no one gives a shit loser

[jamestwdm]

@TBbucs121 nobody asked you opinion loser learn more words then come talk to me

[TBbucs121]

@jamestwdm "nobody asked you opinion:.? ur dumb as shit. and i fucked ur sister and the ass and jizzed in her hair

[jamestwdm]

@TBbucs121 and the ass you dumb lol you only wish you could get with my sister your probably a 12 year old kid that stays at home and plays with his toys

[CrookedRevelations]

This guy isn't very enthusiastic and doesn't seem to know much about any of those.

[haffordj]

@CrookedRevelations maybe i need to dance on the bar next time for you? I was sick man.. :(