What the actual fuck, on my first chapter chapter of Ubik after a recommendation and Im givin Eyedea my first listen, do abstract concepts in all art forms attract eachother?
I'm normally a huge Eyedea fan, but I do not like this song one bit. He's just describing one of PLato's ideas and speaking in time with a beat. Kinda lame compared to some of his other stuff.
@TheAsianWorm It's not the fact that's it's based off of someone else's idea that I don't like it. Birth of a fish was far from an original idea. But it was an all-around awesome song. You could not pay any attention to the lyrics and it would still be a chill song to just listen to. But half of this doesn't even rhyme. He's just... talking. I just think it's pretty weak for an Eyedea song, is all.
This has to be the most intellectual rap song I have ever heard. To me I understand it as an existential interpretation of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Plato goes on to say that through reason we can step out of the cave and look to the sun to discover the Truth. This however, is to ignore the inherint subjectivety of human perception. Objectivety in external analysis is impossible so therefore we're trapped on our own islands.
@noentrie I'm intelligent, yet not necessarily educated enough to grasp the Plato aspect. But, agreed with the subjectivity portion. Human beings indulge upon opinions, and ignorance to things. When we don't know, it's not necessarily our immediate impulse to explore these not-so-given unknowns. That's why Eyedea, and intellectuals alike, encourage people to "open their minds", to try and get past that transparent barrier.
the cubical isn't the universe its a metaphor for your brain. i believe eyedea is saying the we cannot KNOW anything of the external world, we can only know whats going on in our heads, and everything we think we know of the external world is based only on observations, and sense experience.
Astronomers have used math to determine what shape our universe may look like and how big it is, so you don't need to be outside to determine that. As far as our perception of the world around us and all of those signals that go to the subconscious and not the senses, I guess we'll never know how close our perception is to reality. Weather it's a human brain or computer sometime in the future, you will always need some means for the conscience to exist, and that means will always hold it back.
is "the powdered water" sort a metaphor? Like to turn the powder to water you would have to add water anyway, in the same way that to truely understand how your mind limits you, you have to use your mind to contemplate it? if that makes any sense?
@crazyjak123 Not exactly. In Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" (which the song is essentially about), men are chained since birth such that they can only see the shadows of the world against the back wall of the cave, and they believe these shadows are the real world. They come to terms with the actual real world as we know it when they view it through reflections in water first, and then finally see the 'real world'. The powdered water in my view, alludes to the latter part.
@jblock2490 powdered water is a reference to "birth of a fish" on the same album, where the powdered water is used as a metaphor for the substance that is inside the glass cage of the mind. so probably saying that if your able to think about and use things that you know... not if you can drink hallucinogenics and get high...
@mastermeh5252 i've heard that whole album and love it, but what is the significance of the word "powdered"?and it was merely a lulzy suggestion, as i listened to that album after "powdering" my water (ginger ale) with 2c-i. and seeing as though eyedea was a total psychedelic junkie, it would fit out of context.
@mastermeh5252 perhaps what he actually means is that fishies swallow water while they swim, but as humans our water has been tampered with, and what we swallow isn't just water :O
"powdered water" is reference to being fake, because you have to add water to the powder... to get water?. the song mastermeh is referring to is powdered water #2.
Entheogens and psychedelics are the best way to get out of our 'cubicle' dont you think? Magic mushrooms, DMT, things that are not addicting and not harmful if used right. Many people are not responsible enough i guess, but these things are ancient. Shamanism is older than any religion, everyone needs to know and learn about the concepts that Terence McKenna dedicated his life pursuing. The modern shaman, very interesting guy. Im sure Eyedea is chilling with him in hyper dimensional space haha
The only way we will ever know the true nature of THIS reality is to somehow get into a higher "realm" of consciousness so that we can look down upon THIS realm and see the true boundaries of our sensory perception. Only problem is, whatever realm of consciousness you are in, you will never know the boundaries of the CURRENT state of consciousness you are in, only those below you.
@A3189 no it takes philosiphers their childhood thoughts to think of this concept, most people understand this just as they grow up but sadly this is one of those things not easily communicated with words, even in this simplified version of this song i bet most people cannot comprehend what this song id talking about.
@Pr0Zak666 exactly, pretty much we are trapped inside our cubicle brains that we can not think outside of, only modify or alter our state. our brain can only recognize what we know is real. we don't know our own brains
I spotted a few mistakes on the lyrics they should go as follows:
1. "if I grew up in a cubicle the walls LIMIT my universe"
2. "I'm A MAN THAT'S a hybrid of a body..."
3. "REALIZED the brain TAKES IN six billion signals..."
4. "WE'RE LIMITED TO a few futile, primitive tools OF perception"
Your video is still awesome, it really makes a difference when you can read along with the lyrics. I remember when I bought this back in '01 it was around the same time I got into Philip K. Dick.
@AnarchisticAttitude its really just revelation within your mind going outside of what you know and understanding you do not know, its a concept people develop as they mature, if you are young or adolescent and you have the grasp of the concept, congratulations but if not, still you got somewhere.
"and you're onto something that you're off of, so what's next?... man."
pagodasRealm 2 days ago
What the actual fuck, on my first chapter chapter of Ubik after a recommendation and Im givin Eyedea my first listen, do abstract concepts in all art forms attract eachother?
JoshPod001 6 days ago
i never understood why people would "rape" the replay button until now.
thedearpsychonaut 3 weeks ago
I'm normally a huge Eyedea fan, but I do not like this song one bit. He's just describing one of PLato's ideas and speaking in time with a beat. Kinda lame compared to some of his other stuff.
galvin227 1 month ago
@galvin227 a few of his others songs are based on the ideas of others, it is how he puts them together that makes them so amazing.
TheAsianWorm 1 month ago
@TheAsianWorm It's not the fact that's it's based off of someone else's idea that I don't like it. Birth of a fish was far from an original idea. But it was an all-around awesome song. You could not pay any attention to the lyrics and it would still be a chill song to just listen to. But half of this doesn't even rhyme. He's just... talking. I just think it's pretty weak for an Eyedea song, is all.
galvin227 4 weeks ago
@galvin227 Ok man, I can't see any reason to argue or complain despite my usual personality, you've got a point.
:)
TheAsianWorm 3 weeks ago
THIS ALBUM IS FUCKING AMAZING
Supernova1113 1 month ago
awesome song, good vibes
RuralJuror 2 months ago
i still like the original powdered water better
rufrat2 2 months ago
Kanye and Lil' Wayne are making millions and Mikey has moved on to a better place. Tell me that's not FUCKED UP. RIP, one of the Kings....
themidnightgardener 2 months ago
I just have been mindfucked O_O
BobbyBoonyBrown 2 months ago
LOL showed this to my proffesor and he flipped!
AmannequinDream 3 months ago
GET HIP TO THE TREND BRAIN DAMAGE IS WHAT IS BEING FORCED ON US.
AMERICA STAND UP
conciousness88 4 months ago
This has to be the most intellectual rap song I have ever heard. To me I understand it as an existential interpretation of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Plato goes on to say that through reason we can step out of the cave and look to the sun to discover the Truth. This however, is to ignore the inherint subjectivety of human perception. Objectivety in external analysis is impossible so therefore we're trapped on our own islands.
noentrie 4 months ago
@noentrie I'm intelligent, yet not necessarily educated enough to grasp the Plato aspect. But, agreed with the subjectivity portion. Human beings indulge upon opinions, and ignorance to things. When we don't know, it's not necessarily our immediate impulse to explore these not-so-given unknowns. That's why Eyedea, and intellectuals alike, encourage people to "open their minds", to try and get past that transparent barrier.
And believe me, it's very transparent.
iOpacity 4 months ago
the cubical isn't the universe its a metaphor for your brain. i believe eyedea is saying the we cannot KNOW anything of the external world, we can only know whats going on in our heads, and everything we think we know of the external world is based only on observations, and sense experience.
lukemich12 4 months ago 2
Astronomers have used math to determine what shape our universe may look like and how big it is, so you don't need to be outside to determine that. As far as our perception of the world around us and all of those signals that go to the subconscious and not the senses, I guess we'll never know how close our perception is to reality. Weather it's a human brain or computer sometime in the future, you will always need some means for the conscience to exist, and that means will always hold it back.
MBP6705 5 months ago
they just shot neutrinos faster than the speed of light... so much for the cubicle.
TheOPIBS 5 months ago
i love Plato's work, im so glas Eyedea added his own views to it. genius written down in the songs.
you know eyedea is chilling with the greatest minds now, from plato to bill hicks. but eyedea was the one who opened my eyes, rest in peace good sir
RyanGiggsOBE 6 months ago
one person lives in a cubicle!
glushglush7 6 months ago
Plato influenced rapper, one of a kind.
MusicalEargasm 7 months ago 5
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RyanGiggsOBE 8 months ago
is "the powdered water" sort a metaphor? Like to turn the powder to water you would have to add water anyway, in the same way that to truely understand how your mind limits you, you have to use your mind to contemplate it? if that makes any sense?
crazyjak123 8 months ago
@crazyjak123 Not exactly. In Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" (which the song is essentially about), men are chained since birth such that they can only see the shadows of the world against the back wall of the cave, and they believe these shadows are the real world. They come to terms with the actual real world as we know it when they view it through reflections in water first, and then finally see the 'real world'. The powdered water in my view, alludes to the latter part.
heliosrayne 6 months ago 2
@crazyjak123 i dont think he meant this but he could be referring to water with some sort of powdered hallucinogen in it :D
jblock2490 5 months ago
@jblock2490 powdered water is a reference to "birth of a fish" on the same album, where the powdered water is used as a metaphor for the substance that is inside the glass cage of the mind. so probably saying that if your able to think about and use things that you know... not if you can drink hallucinogenics and get high...
mastermeh5252 5 months ago
@mastermeh5252 i've heard that whole album and love it, but what is the significance of the word "powdered"?and it was merely a lulzy suggestion, as i listened to that album after "powdering" my water (ginger ale) with 2c-i. and seeing as though eyedea was a total psychedelic junkie, it would fit out of context.
jblock2490 5 months ago
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jblock2490 5 months ago
@mastermeh5252 perhaps what he actually means is that fishies swallow water while they swim, but as humans our water has been tampered with, and what we swallow isn't just water :O
jblock2490 5 months ago
@mastermeh5252
@jblock2490
"watch?v=wGPjH_tLrWI"
"powdered water" is reference to being fake, because you have to add water to the powder... to get water?. the song mastermeh is referring to is powdered water #2.
Blaqueflame 4 months ago
i felt like this was brainwashing me while i listened to it.
tigerlilyfilm 9 months ago
theres no point telling anyone bout d.m.t. if they havent done it. its like explaining the wonders of sight to a blind person
risingpauler 9 months ago
Entheogens and psychedelics are the best way to get out of our 'cubicle' dont you think? Magic mushrooms, DMT, things that are not addicting and not harmful if used right. Many people are not responsible enough i guess, but these things are ancient. Shamanism is older than any religion, everyone needs to know and learn about the concepts that Terence McKenna dedicated his life pursuing. The modern shaman, very interesting guy. Im sure Eyedea is chilling with him in hyper dimensional space haha
TheHempMessiah 10 months ago
The only way we will ever know the true nature of THIS reality is to somehow get into a higher "realm" of consciousness so that we can look down upon THIS realm and see the true boundaries of our sensory perception. Only problem is, whatever realm of consciousness you are in, you will never know the boundaries of the CURRENT state of consciousness you are in, only those below you.
rsjokes 10 months ago
Listening to eyedea has made me way smarter.
raymand456 1 year ago
its nice to see a philosopher able to reach out to people with music, a nice simple concept for the world to finally begin comprehending.
lucikage 1 year ago 3
eyedea busting knowledge in 3 minutes when it took philosophers most of their life~~
A3189 1 year ago
@A3189
'cuz it's plato's stuff, lol, they're just repeating it, poeticly.
aarrggcchhttt 1 year ago 2
@A3189 no it takes philosiphers their childhood thoughts to think of this concept, most people understand this just as they grow up but sadly this is one of those things not easily communicated with words, even in this simplified version of this song i bet most people cannot comprehend what this song id talking about.
lucikage 1 year ago 2
this is hip hop for smart people
nolanb123456 1 year ago 6
an EYEDEA never dies
FreeDevelope 1 year ago
eyedea = rap for people with an i.q. greater than 100
glass509 1 year ago 6
REST IN PEACE MAN<< LOVE AND WILL MISS YOU AND FOREVER BUMP THAT SHIT IN MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HigherrConsciousness 1 year ago 2
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METTI1986LA 1 year ago
everyone knows this is brilliant , sexy , and fucking amazing, get off dis mans diockkkk cuz theirs not enough room on the tree swing ahhhh
ooooooooooooO111 1 year ago
This is the song that got me listening to him, the world will miss a great artist, a man who spoke with music.
Orrome 1 year ago
Eyedea, R.I.P.
4some2joe0 1 year ago
rest in peace eyyyyyedea
iamthnikkaman 1 year ago
rip man we lost a real genius today
G00Dmuzzzik 1 year ago 2
This is the first time i heard/read this song. It completely blew my mind in the best way possible. My jaw dropped, honestly!
mandaJt 1 year ago
So what he is saying is....we'll never know the true nature of reality?
Pr0Zak666 1 year ago
@Pr0Zak666 exactly, pretty much we are trapped inside our cubicle brains that we can not think outside of, only modify or alter our state. our brain can only recognize what we know is real. we don't know our own brains
Strongbad899 1 year ago
@Pr0Zak666 well, thats what i got from it. i could be just spewing out bs
Strongbad899 1 year ago
This tune is so fucking amazing.
d33w 1 year ago
I have listened to this song atleast 15 times today.
TheChocoification 1 year ago
@cuntsound According to my cd, it is "...Powdered Water Too (Part 1)"
toydoll89 1 year ago
I spotted a few mistakes on the lyrics they should go as follows:
1. "if I grew up in a cubicle the walls LIMIT my universe"
2. "I'm A MAN THAT'S a hybrid of a body..."
3. "REALIZED the brain TAKES IN six billion signals..."
4. "WE'RE LIMITED TO a few futile, primitive tools OF perception"
Your video is still awesome, it really makes a difference when you can read along with the lyrics. I remember when I bought this back in '01 it was around the same time I got into Philip K. Dick.
huxleylaser 1 year ago 9
@huxleylaser i'll correct it asap.
cuntsound 1 year ago
@cuntsound Also, at 1:55 he says "Reality is cyclical"
Olio89 2 months ago
@huxleylaser there, "fixed"
cuntsound 1 year ago 21
@huxleylaser that's how a person should reply, without being a dick. ppl should take notes
manny1171 10 months ago
this isnt powdered water too... this is the song just after it .......
Pl0x5k 1 year ago
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METTI1986LA 1 year ago
Proccessing lyrical response........ ERROR BRAINGASM!
Eyedea FTW
RaulOF9 1 year ago
My sociologist teach played this today. Dig the vibe and the lyrics are insightful
vpblack777 1 year ago
@vpblack777 your sociologist teacher is dope
UnaestheticEffects 1 year ago
@vpblack777 dude. i would do anything to have your teacher. lmao
Sylv0r 1 year ago
dope song. E&A have some of the most inteligent ish out.
props
Fishmcspastic 2 years ago 3
Hey, can you add part two please?
FiresforFires 2 years ago 2
im fuckin addicted to this song already its fucking smart
AnarchisticAttitude 2 years ago 20
@AnarchisticAttitude its really just revelation within your mind going outside of what you know and understanding you do not know, its a concept people develop as they mature, if you are young or adolescent and you have the grasp of the concept, congratulations but if not, still you got somewhere.
lucikage 1 year ago
@lucikage starting to comprehend that now... back when i left that comment not so much
AnarchisticAttitude 11 months ago
this is fuckin trippy
AnarchisticAttitude 2 years ago 5