Dear! What if we have plates configurations (-nn+nn-nn+nn-). Which Gas will produce on ‘n’ plates (Oxygen or Hydrogen)? #Gas on 1st Active - Plate = H #Gas on 1st ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 2nd ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 2nd Active + Plate = O #Gas on 3rd ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 4th ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 3rd Active - Plate = H #Gas on 5th ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 6th ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 4th Active + Plate = O #Gas on 7th ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 8th ‘n’ Plate = ? #Gas on 5th Active - Plate = H
HI JOHN i have a question not related to the videos....and if you might have time to answer ok... is there simple a way to keep oxygen vapor in the cell...thanks litinny
The Oxygen has to be separated at the plates.. to do that you can put a partition or screen between the Negative plate and the positive plate .. only allowing the Oxygen to come up one tube... etc
Actually, you can lead the produced gas to a vessel where you use electricity to part the O2 from the H2. As in one gas "exit" being negatively charged and the other positive (the different kinds of gas will be attracted there). Also the H2 is lighter so you'd want the exit for it in the top of the separation vessel.
This might be hard to build with good results at home though.
the interesting thing is that the neutral plate is both positive and negative yet neither. It depends on which way you read it. Can be either. Idea is to cause a voltage drop across plate gaps to make possible the use of higher voltage in place of amps and to add surface area. Its that simple. Lets me run 32 plates at 96v but each plate gap sees about 3v. For medium to large scale device, its a very practical way to go. But is more complex to construct due to leakage around the plate edges.
I have seen them work.. I am just not "convinced" that there will be any difference... I know it will never die and most prob. we will revisit it... I have a open mind ... why else would I be doing what I am doing... John AArons
I dont think the neutral plate configuration is "better" than running in parallel. It will not produce any more gas. However, it does give you the flexibility to design a device that is optimized for a given power source. The series type devices do require that the plate edges be sealed to prevent the juice from making an end run around your plates. Making the seal but still allowing electrolyte flow between the plates is tricky. But it does work and I would be happy to demonstrate for you.
I thank you for your interest... I just don't have time to change direction (right now).. first I have to finish this installation in the car ... than I will revisit all the other things... Thanks.. John AArons
I just received some 1200 volt rectifiers to do an AC-DC test. These rectifiers convert the AC corrent to DC but at 115 volts DC. Using distilled water and a very small (2-3 flakes) of KOH, I generate an enormous amount of HHO gas using 2 pos. 1 neg. and 8 neutral plates w/little heat. I haven't had a change to measure the volumne of gas but from past units I've made running straight DC, it looks to be 2x's as much at the least so using neutral plates is the best way to go (continued)....
i didn't see all your videos on neutral plates but i was wondering if you still don't know why the "neutral"(or not connected) plates are producing gas...because i can give you the answeer....just let me know if your interested
what about sonick vibration of the plates you cold cut the head off a sonic tooth brush and slice the end and vibrate your cell this shold keep the bubels off the plate allowing for more contact with the water and maby aid in nocking the maliquils arond in order to braik them free
Think of the neutral plates in this system as the center two batteries in a four cell battery pack. If you measure from one end to the other the results will be + or - depending on which side you measure from.
The test was to see what the (N) plates are.. (-) or (+).. as for the results.. I leave that up to you... having said that.. I still am not convinced (other than they do put out) that they are worth using.. John AArons
The water (W) is like an resistor. It have to test if the Volts between 2 plates get different if you chance the distance of the plates. If this than its normal elektric state.
+=pos plate
W=Water (Resistor)
N=Neutral
-=negative plate
That there is an produktion on the "N" plates maybe because the crossing of the electrons from water to the plate...?
The distance in the plates are there to see the results.... what you see will play when the plates are put together only on a larger scale. There is a point that the plates will reach and stay there for the electrolyte they are in..
Does the bubbles on the neutrals justify the minimal resistance added or does it consume significantly more power? is it oxygen or hydrogen on the neutrals?
Ok, you're saying that a neutral plate is not technically neutral as far as the reference point. However, isn't the point of saying it is neutral meant to say no power is "applied directly" to those plates while getting some production?
Obviously the plates are getting their charge from the conductivity of the water and the electrolyte between + and - thus increasing resistance minimally.
Interesting question..pulling the amps down can be done or shown in many ways.. the "N" plates do consume power .. (as I have shown) so the idea of free power is false..Trick question about the resistance since every load carries with it resistance... John AArons
john, one side of the n plate is pos, one side is neg, hence neutral total voltage. The side facing a pos plate is neg, the side facing a neg is pos, in relation to applied voltage.
one more thing about how you are measuring the voltage the black COM - lead is always measured from - or closest to - and the red + lead is always measured from + or closest to +. I enjoy watching your videos keep up the great work
One more thing about the 2nd neutral plate it will get the voltage but the current will go so far in a weak conductor before the loss is to high to get any production.
It's like a lead acid battery that has 7 lead plates with an electrolytic solution between them if you measure the 1st plate to the 2nd you get 2 volts if you measure 1st to 3rd you get 4 volts and so no till 12 volts same concept with your test if evenly spaced and you measure 1st to 2nd you would get 4 volts 2nd to 3rd would also be 4 volts the voltage is divided between the plates the neutral plates are both + and - and correspond to the location of the + and - plates.
The "neutral" plate can only be checked by comparing it with (+) or (-)... and the plate that is is being checked with has to be the opposite... because one plate has to be more (+) than the other.... John AArons
hi ive done this test, but with plates closer together. And found so called neutral plates to be positivly charged and will hold aprox 1volt for quite some time.
That can not be... If you check the "neutral" plate against a (+) plate the "neutral" plate has to be (-)..... (That is why it can't be "neutral"..).... John AArons
I think you missed the point... The question is .. is the Neutral plate (+) or (-)... if it is (+) than all bets are off... Hydrogen comes from the (-) plate only. .. That should generate some Email... John AArons
thghho 3 weeks ago
HI JOHN i have a question not related to the videos....and if you might have time to answer ok... is there simple a way to keep oxygen vapor in the cell...thanks litinny
LITINNY 3 years ago
The Oxygen has to be separated at the plates.. to do that you can put a partition or screen between the Negative plate and the positive plate .. only allowing the Oxygen to come up one tube... etc
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
Actually, you can lead the produced gas to a vessel where you use electricity to part the O2 from the H2. As in one gas "exit" being negatively charged and the other positive (the different kinds of gas will be attracted there). Also the H2 is lighter so you'd want the exit for it in the top of the separation vessel.
This might be hard to build with good results at home though.
CaptainAwesomeHHO 3 years ago
Now thats what i'm talking about.
FluxCapacitor2008 3 years ago
the interesting thing is that the neutral plate is both positive and negative yet neither. It depends on which way you read it. Can be either. Idea is to cause a voltage drop across plate gaps to make possible the use of higher voltage in place of amps and to add surface area. Its that simple. Lets me run 32 plates at 96v but each plate gap sees about 3v. For medium to large scale device, its a very practical way to go. But is more complex to construct due to leakage around the plate edges.
SmartScarecrow 4 years ago
I have seen them work.. I am just not "convinced" that there will be any difference... I know it will never die and most prob. we will revisit it... I have a open mind ... why else would I be doing what I am doing... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
I dont think the neutral plate configuration is "better" than running in parallel. It will not produce any more gas. However, it does give you the flexibility to design a device that is optimized for a given power source. The series type devices do require that the plate edges be sealed to prevent the juice from making an end run around your plates. Making the seal but still allowing electrolyte flow between the plates is tricky. But it does work and I would be happy to demonstrate for you.
SmartScarecrow 4 years ago
I thank you for your interest... I just don't have time to change direction (right now).. first I have to finish this installation in the car ... than I will revisit all the other things... Thanks.. John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
I just received some 1200 volt rectifiers to do an AC-DC test. These rectifiers convert the AC corrent to DC but at 115 volts DC. Using distilled water and a very small (2-3 flakes) of KOH, I generate an enormous amount of HHO gas using 2 pos. 1 neg. and 8 neutral plates w/little heat. I haven't had a change to measure the volumne of gas but from past units I've made running straight DC, it looks to be 2x's as much at the least so using neutral plates is the best way to go (continued)....
kevlauenterprises 3 years ago
You need to know how many amps..
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
i didn't see all your videos on neutral plates but i was wondering if you still don't know why the "neutral"(or not connected) plates are producing gas...because i can give you the answeer....just let me know if your interested
stauffap 4 years ago
You can write me at "johaarons at hydrogen tap dot com" alway interested in ideas... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
I read the Neutrals purpose is to absorb Voltage.
YiuTeub 4 years ago
It is my read that Neutral Plates are "wishfully thinking" and you can quote me on that.
John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
That is so... and most likely the vacuum does more.. JOhn AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
this sounds a lot like relativity.
tvryb 4 years ago
what about sonick vibration of the plates you cold cut the head off a sonic tooth brush and slice the end and vibrate your cell this shold keep the bubels off the plate allowing for more contact with the water and maby aid in nocking the maliquils arond in order to braik them free
NaturalyUnatural 4 years ago
Interesting idea... but I have decided that removing the bubbles does not change the rate of production... Keep thinking..
John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
Think of the neutral plates in this system as the center two batteries in a four cell battery pack. If you measure from one end to the other the results will be + or - depending on which side you measure from.
fan1701 4 years ago
I thought that is what I said...
That is not the question..John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
The neutrals are simply conductors in the circuit assigning them a polarity does not seem to make sense in this situation.
fan1701 4 years ago
so, the way i see it is as follows, the basic cellular unit is comprised of 1 possitive, 2 neutral and one negative plate. or (+ N N -).
could it be something along the lines of electrical balance, if you get my meaning.
tonypco 4 years ago
The test was to see what the (N) plates are.. (-) or (+).. as for the results.. I leave that up to you... having said that.. I still am not convinced (other than they do put out) that they are worth using.. John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
For me it looks like following:
+ W N W N W -
The water (W) is like an resistor. It have to test if the Volts between 2 plates get different if you chance the distance of the plates. If this than its normal elektric state.
+=pos plate
W=Water (Resistor)
N=Neutral
-=negative plate
That there is an produktion on the "N" plates maybe because the crossing of the electrons from water to the plate...?
HydroFlei 4 years ago
The distance in the plates are there to see the results.... what you see will play when the plates are put together only on a larger scale. There is a point that the plates will reach and stay there for the electrolyte they are in..
John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
Does the bubbles on the neutrals justify the minimal resistance added or does it consume significantly more power? is it oxygen or hydrogen on the neutrals?
wroute 4 years ago
That is the point of this test..I still believe that the "neutral" plate does not work.. but we will see. John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
Ok, you're saying that a neutral plate is not technically neutral as far as the reference point. However, isn't the point of saying it is neutral meant to say no power is "applied directly" to those plates while getting some production?
Obviously the plates are getting their charge from the conductivity of the water and the electrolyte between + and - thus increasing resistance minimally.
wroute 4 years ago
Interesting question..pulling the amps down can be done or shown in many ways.. the "N" plates do consume power .. (as I have shown) so the idea of free power is false..Trick question about the resistance since every load carries with it resistance... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
Great video. Regardless of the polarity of the neutral plate, does having it as configured produce more output?
wroute 4 years ago
That is the point... at this point I will say "NO"..
John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
let me ask you this, is the white wire on a household wiring system pos, or neg, or what is it? same but different with a n plate system.
mielectric1 4 years ago
There is no "white" the center is "yellow" and it is not connected to anything.. I use it to attach to the meter.. John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
john, one side of the n plate is pos, one side is neg, hence neutral total voltage. The side facing a pos plate is neg, the side facing a neg is pos, in relation to applied voltage.
mielectric1 4 years ago
NO.. I did check that on the video... the Neutral plate is (+) or (-) "on both" sides of the plate.. John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
one more thing about how you are measuring the voltage the black COM - lead is always measured from - or closest to - and the red + lead is always measured from + or closest to +. I enjoy watching your videos keep up the great work
cyberscann54 4 years ago
I show (on this video)a reading from both sides ... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
One more thing about the 2nd neutral plate it will get the voltage but the current will go so far in a weak conductor before the loss is to high to get any production.
cyberscann54 4 years ago
It's like a lead acid battery that has 7 lead plates with an electrolytic solution between them if you measure the 1st plate to the 2nd you get 2 volts if you measure 1st to 3rd you get 4 volts and so no till 12 volts same concept with your test if evenly spaced and you measure 1st to 2nd you would get 4 volts 2nd to 3rd would also be 4 volts the voltage is divided between the plates the neutral plates are both + and - and correspond to the location of the + and - plates.
cyberscann54 4 years ago
The "neutral" plate can only be checked by comparing it with (+) or (-)... and the plate that is is being checked with has to be the opposite... because one plate has to be more (+) than the other.... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
hi ive done this test, but with plates closer together. And found so called neutral plates to be positivly charged and will hold aprox 1volt for quite some time.
barronvonlickenstein 4 years ago
That can not be... If you check the "neutral" plate against a (+) plate the "neutral" plate has to be (-)..... (That is why it can't be "neutral"..).... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
i think you just proved nobody knows exactly how electicity works, maybe the water is the + or - or ground or neutral
crob227 4 years ago
I believe I just proved that "it isn't as fool proof as they (on the net) want or thinks it is.
John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
awesome job,...
marsL001 4 years ago
Thanks... It is interesting... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago
neutral plates divide voltage, each pair is a cell, each cell should be a little over 2 volts to be efficient and not waste heat. viola.
brianempson 4 years ago
I think you missed the point... The question is .. is the Neutral plate (+) or (-)... if it is (+) than all bets are off... Hydrogen comes from the (-) plate only. .. That should generate some Email... John AArons
johnaarons 4 years ago