Arthur Clarke - Fractals - The Colors Of Infinity 4 of 6

[NebetSeta]

Maaath! :(

I was never good at math! D:

Still, it's interesting how math can create such beautiful art work.

[pjennings0001]

Hawking says there is a limit to scale within our universe but what if the "zoom" on detail within a fractal was applied to time rather than physical space

[BesitzenDUBBED]

im really high and this is really cool but i still dont really see how this is connected to nature just because the shiftyshapes look like things.. clouds can look like dragons but that doesn't mean they are clouds, know what im sayin?

[Disposition446]

Im so glad I decided not to get high before watching this.

[xxxrrrxxxrrr]

I had an immense trip on cannabis. It felt like lasting forever, only the knowing, that planck's length is the smallest length possible and it would end there, brought me back to reality.

[Mainganens]

So if fractals are infinite and we are reproduced through fractals, then theoretically if i zoomed in enough on an atom in my body i would eventually see myself looking through the microscope if i had the right co-ordinates. screw it... I'm gonna go get a mirror..

[JustSomePerson888]

@Mainganens - it's more that an atomic structure is self-similar to a solar system structure, which is self-similar to a galaxies structure (ie they are all things that orbit around a central thing), in the same way as in these fractals you get a level of a type of pattern, then after some zoom-ins you get that pattern again but it's not exactly precisely the same.

eg the overall shape is the Mandelbeetle, and after n zooms you'll see more Mandelbeetles, and so on.

[Wizkid717007]

6:45

[Wizkid717007]

6:50

[purpurpledog8]

I'm beginning to think reality is all a big computer program and God is the one who hit "run"!

[BenjaminMJ]

@purpurpledog8 the matrix

[Imforthewhales]

@purpurpledog8 lol, gr8 comment!

[Goldfrappe]

Even if everything did supposedly emerge from "nothing", what's to say that it didn't all come from everything that was before it, and it just started over again and will keep doing the same over and over?

[Goldfrappe]

Why couldn't the universe go on forever? If there is a planck, why couldn't is just turn back onto itself or keep reproducing on and on like a fractal? Why are they going backwards into the tiniest part? Isn't everything constantly growing and emerging over and over from the smallest thing i.e. big bang? Isn't everything just coming in and fading out and regenerating over and over in different ways just like the fractal? why would it have to stop or reach a point where it can't go on?

[TheLovesoul1]

this is beautiful fuck you stephen hawkins greedy selfish bastard.

[rubbersole79]

"...someday Prime Minister, you'll be able to tax it."

So....we've always been greedy whores.

[baphomet58]

Fuck u stephen hawking, u fucking moron

[JackassBauer1]

i heard that is some kind of fractal equation that make the miniaturization of cell phone antenna...

[mattysimsoficial]

cause we're just a program. We'll find out one day...lol

[TheLovesoul1]

hawking is a moron the universe is all that is can will and should be everything that exist the universe is existence and so am i. opinions are like assholes everyones got one. the infinite cannot be known only lived.

[jokergd]

@TheLovesoul1 you had me at "hawking is a moron"

[cmzuppe]

Can anyone answer this question for me? It seems as though an infinite 2-Dimensional geometrical structure gives us patterns which correlate directly to everything in our own 3-Dimensional nature as we perceive it... What if there was a 3-Dimensional fractal with an exponentially complex equation to it? Is there? Is this possible? If so, could it explain the true position of an electrons orbit? Perhaps it's true position lay somewhere in the 4th-D, inconceivable using only our senses?

[MayorMichaelShell]

This is fascinating. Very informative. It's interesting that they don't mention movement at all....

[mindprism]

I bet they couldn't afford the real Pink Floyd haha

[irena7777777]

@mindprism David Gilmour isn't a bad substitute, he did, afterall, write most of PF's music!

[airmaxltd94]

so there are actually colours? And to think maths was just grey pencil marks on squared paper :D

But how can there be colours in a set? do they digitally colourise it themselves to make it seem more interesting? confused...

[losthor1zon]

@airmaxltd94 Yes, they add the colors in according to some rules, then change the colors that the computer uses for a given rule, so the colors keep changing while the set remains the same.

[harlosik13]

DNA is the seed of the life fractal. Z = the 99.99....% of similar dna the c is the 0.000...1% difference and that difference is the key!

[mindprism]

@harlosik13 {0.000...1% difference}

Math people like to argue that one over infinity IS zero. Thats what they are taught in college-- ie, the thing 'right next to zero' is zero.

I call bullshit

[dezziss]

iff in the real universe it goes on for ever, we will never know.

[romilitant]

what's that song playing at 4:45? someone please tell me.

[wetdigestive]

and when God said " go forth and multiply " it was noticed that they did so...but not all in one direction! The original set being like god, and the radiation of the set being chaos of randomness ( or randomness of chaos if you like ).

...therefore... from God comes chaos?

[numberJ5]

It is funny because little children already think about the scale of the universe intuitively. I remember when I was 8 or 9 sitting at a table with my friends talking about "well, what is smaller than a blood cell?" and so on it went.

The questions that I am exposed to as I age, like the ones given here, are not much more complex in argument or thought.

[vulpecula999]

octopi ?? the plural is octopusses

[wiseyeffect]

Interesting how,Perrickan below can't understand fractal eventhou he is good at math. Are we in a evolution of thought where the artist is needed to complet the equation for the analogical mind?Why does it take so long for truth to reach the masses,when ignorance and pride flurish?

[HatemasterGungbok]

@wiseyeffect because ignorance and pride are hot topics you can make an article out of... while being intelligent/educated isn't "cool"

[wiseyeffect]

@HatemasterGungbok your statement is true,but isn't a society influenced by it surroundings? If it's genetics then everyone should be a murder to some degree,because if we all came from a select group of early ancestors, they must of been consentrated evil and stupid. I don't by the genetic explaination. I think the haves and have nots are at play here. The haves are dumming the masses down with primal behavor.

[HatemasterGungbok]

@wiseyeffect we to be literal: If any mainstream religion is correct, then we did come from a very small pool of people. This would also be true of evolution, however, because at some point the VERY first creature that could be classified as a human male and the VERY first creature that could be classified as a human female were among a very small group of possible human ancestors. As for the haves/havenots ... that is always in play (out of space, see next post)

[HatemasterGungbok]

@wiseyeffect , the super rich of the world have been disassociated from society, they do cruel things to people that someone with any real morals wouldn't do. They are a different "class" than the average person, and find it very easy to remove themselves from the suffering of others. Obviously, there are always the exceptions to that rule, rich who remember what it was like before they had money... but they are not the majority.

[wiseyeffect]

@HatemasterGungbok yes, your statement is mostly right. I've found that the greatest lessions in life are delivered in chaos. It would seem that the elite are ruthless bastards but I have a different angle of perspective. I think their is a group of selfish egos but they are puppets. The true puppetmasters are refining the human spieces. The NWO conspiracy is for the week minded but the new nwo is divine. If you want the real conspiracy reply with a yes.it will shock you!

[RawArt0]

@wiseyeffect

yes please ^_^ . I too see that what is going on as a "divine conspiracy", like everything has a good purpose to it, you know? I would like to know your point of view on the subject.

Arto

[djfakt]

@RawArt0 You are the quintessence of ignorance...Typical of the ignorant in that you apply your spiritual (even worse) or religious desires onto the purely scientific. Just stop.

Divine conspiracy...LOL!

[therevisions]

Very NiCe !!

[Perrickan]

I like to think I'm reasonably good at understanding science and mathematical things, but fractals leave me slack-jawed and drooling while all of my brain power is diverted to trying to get a grasp of what this is all about.

[aussiexlguy]

mesmerizing

[scncp5]

I don't know if the universe has limits. But I'm more inclined to believe that there is a limit in mankind's capability to understand the limits of the universe.

[vk92007]

@scncp5 Ya na I agree with you there. What I am surprised is that the Mathematician was not up for the Nobel Prize in mathematics

[vk92007]

@scncp5 

[HFKscreech]

steven hawkings thought theres a limit to the universe in the 80's..wow he was dumb..

[633336]

wow this is before nanotech and genome understanding...

[bonzelite]

I tend not to agree with Stephen Hawking, in his rigid adherence to very mainstream cosmological theory, ie, the Planck Length. He is saying, then, that this cannot be further subdivided, contradicting the existence of an infinity --which is clearly demonstrated in the M-set/fractal discovery. Moreover, adherence to the Planck Length also contradicts infinity in the mainstream theory of a singularity.

In all honesty, at this level, even Hawking is guessing. It is all theoretical.

[djd259th]

So if the Planck Length (I'm guessing theorized by Max Planck), is there an outer limit? In other words, up until infinity?

[vk92007]

@djd259

[themole130471]

what happens if you zoom only onto the dark parts ??

[DUB8leA]

@themole130471

you see darkness?

[xTroop18546x]

Pink Floyd - High Hopes remix in this. Nice

[Fangornmmc]

There is only one word for this: Mesmerizing

[DUB8leA]

hey guys. just a thought, and i am no scientist. what about the mandelbrot set but super inmposed in 3 dimensions (the dimension we appear to be in, the universe) Please someone in the know put me right. peace

[srgtmurphy]

@DUB8leA Watch Nassim Harameins lecture at rouge valley and all will be explained.

[DUB8leA]

@srgtmurphy

Sorry, but i've watched and listened to many interviews and lectures and everytime i listen to what he has to say, at the end its still undefinitive and unconclusive. I suppose, he is thinking outside of the box but at least with applied science we can see its affects and understand it. What he talks about is just out of the box "theories" which don't seem to bring us closer to understanding the universe

[luckyterra]

great documentary.. moves pretty slow though

[hrbear]

@luckyterra Slow documentaries are ideal for Winter nights. :)

[clarkcolt45]

This documentary seems to be old, they claim that it hasn't been used in practical things yet: But ALL antennas in cellphones are built on this theory, or we would still have to bring big antennas using cellphones,, also in computer graphics, fractal design of circuits, chips etc.

[imanselmo]

Something that's kinda creeping me out:

If you listen to this with headphones, you can hear a tiny voice in the right speaker in several parts throughout the entire video.

[clarkcolt45]

it's the same soundtrack but delayed in a lower volume.. it can clearly be heard after mr Hawkings has finished, his voice is still delayed speaking in the background even when Clarke is speaking

[ephemerealfox]

@imanselmo i hear it too. its probably coming from that dudes radio. 3:35

[ephemerealfox]

@imanselmo my mistake. the voice is not just in that particular segment.

[VisionQuest2012]

I noticed they were applying this idea to the subatomic(inward). Why not apply it to the universe (outward). This would mean our galaxy is going around something very large out there and so on and so on. DAMN!

[chasersbf]

You just blew my freaking mind.

[hellomynameisdiablo]

@VisionQuest2012 watch "The Magnificent Universe" it will explain everything

[DainXC]

@VisionQuest2012 Ever heard of the Great Attractor? 

[kryptonickraze]

@VisionQuest2012 Have you ever seen a macro-scale model of the universe?.. It looks curiously like a fractal.

[rollingrock4life]

A snowflake is a prime example. Northern Buddhists also refer to fractal geometry as chiliocosm's. Micro/Macro/Great/Small. Much longer ago than 1901... Funny how we just now have the tools to begin to understand it as a possibility yet they found it without any of them.

[rollingrock4life]

I wonder why the dept of education maintains it's "inaccuracy" and claims it isn't worth teaching....

[rollingrock4life]

The Bhagavad Gita, Taoist texts, and Buddhist texts all describe these ideas. At the simplest level you can only argue they were describing it philosophically. They definitely saw it in sense objects as well though, so if we are to be aware to all possibilities, perhaps they even perceived the whole field or parts of itself...? (Akashic Record) We have so much to discover...and I have a feeling fractal geometry is the key.

[irena7777777]

Who cares about the maths, David Gilmour's soundtrack is far more interesting...

[f0revern0ty0urs2]

haha,u got 6 thumbs down for what i would consider decent comment. I can get no more then 4 even after mocking with pope

[irena7777777]

Can't even remember what I said! It isn't showing either! Please enlighten me...was it something about the David Gilmour soundtrack?

[hrbear]

@irena7777777 It's Pink Floyd I think, I don't remember exactly from which album.

[irena7777777]

@hrbear It's David Gilmour FROM Pink Floyd who composed the music. It's not from a particular Floyd album but some of the tunes do bear similarities to the bands songs, probably because Gilmour was asked to make them sound like Shine On...etc.

[kennypark]

So ole' Art goes to London, gets Prof. Hawking to talk at some length about the finite nature of real-world complexity, only to say, "Of course, he might be wrong."

Good one.

[clarkcolt45]

yeah the documentary seems to be pretty old, the plank length is not the smallest anymore, they're talking about string theory today etc.

[hrbear]

@clarkcolt45 Did you notice the computer at 6:35 I think it's an old Mac. :) I had tried Ultra Fractal in a PC, I think was Pentium 233 first time, then in a Pentium 600, slot 1 after some years, the computer was trying to draw the details of the Mandelbrot set, as soon as the CPUs reached very high speeds like 2 GHz and more, the drawings are being made almost immediately, and we are talking about many calculations per pixel I suppose.

[1CME90]

So if Fractals use the simplest math to make a simple shape then what if you use the most complex math to make the most complex shape?

[RLore18]

Why a connection between specifically the mandelbrot set and the way nature operates?

The mandelbrot set is only one way to achieve a fractal design of infinite complexity with infinitely diverging shapes and all their possible combinations. There are also uncountable other ways to make fractals which have the same qualities.

Nature may use more then just mandelbrot, or may use entirely different fractal processes.

[colorschan]

Sure there are different ways (calculations) of creating fractals, but the mandelbrot set uses the simplest math to achieve the "simplest" shape.

[AlexIsonSanders]

ok what exactly is the set???? is it the cell of a plant?? is it a math formula?? is it what makes up nutrons and protons??? idk how its significant.

[tetromino7]

The guy with curly grey hair, big glasses and plants behind him looks like Will Ferrell.

[MsMrbrown]

we are fractal,because we reproduce.

[xeoncat202]

@MsMrbrown therefore, sex is the meaning of life

[djfakt]

@MsMrbrown Fallacious reasoning, my friend.

[clerlic]

They are right about fractals being used for commercial purposes. I'd say most of you have fractals in their pockets - cellphone antennae are fractals, allowing a single antenna to be used for GSM, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc.

[ironfootstudio]

Why are we assuming that when we zoom in on a set, that we are seeing smaller and smaller sets? Could we not be just looking farther and farther away?

[frankbraker]

It's a mathematically steered visual - it doesn't actually have size or distance. But this is also true of the perceived world - the mind creates objects, but direct experience is fundamentally boundless.

[Dogod463]

Pink Floyd music?

[RupertDCD27]

Music by David Gilmour (of pink floyd)

[MilesBennetDyson]

What use IS a new born baby?!

[DaveODrisc]

Does anybody think this may be applied(maybe with ever more complex computing power etc..)to a fuller understanding of DNA ?

[MrBill1969]

I think i get what hawkings was saying. There has to be a zero,"'we know it as reality, but if equations begs a question it is why it exists.

[DaveODrisc]

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn(I really dont posess the education to assume i might know exactly what I'm talking about here!)BUT, As far as I know the plank length is due to stuff like gravity and the speed of light in a vacume meaning that with our current level of understanding this is the smallest thingy!

But maybe fracals give us a bit more to go on!

Nevermind I got a head ache just trying to think about it!

[pikmindoctor]

One major application has been in making computer games. Fractals can massively help speed up the process of generating terrain in wide open worlds for games. Often RTS games can prceduarally generate giant 3D worlds from scratch which include forests, clifs, rivers etc. quite well without the need for manual editing at all, a player can start again as much as they like and get a different world each time.

[jmm1233]

Darwinia is one such game that does that ,

[nhp5252]

a million billion billion? good job

[wildchildplasma]

If It does go on forever how are you going to know that ever.

[purphanz]

this geometery, is transposed to common logic, proves that the doors of preception are infintie

[binary132]

well said :)

[damjanjerina]

You must admire Sir Arthur Clarke. He will never say:"we don't know that." He will only say:"We don't know that YET."

[teamcrumb]

I admire him but he won't say anything now because he is dead.

[SayYesToReason]

Sagan was the same. It's sad that we've lost them both.

[DaveODrisc]

Yep Sagan was a great Scientist and my homeboy Arty C.Clark .

(he comes from the same part of England as me)

Was a pure genius also!

At least they both left a wonderful legacy!

[SayYesToReason]

I agree with regard to both. We are, after all, mortal beings. The best we can hope for is to leave behind something that inspires and benefits.

Requiem en Pace, Sagan et Clarke.

[guadalupejoe1]

i hear that Sagan sold out to US gov't and did not disclose ET or the agenda of the shadow gov't...why? cause they would have killed him at worst and best they would have taken his funding..

[SayYesToReason]

A few questions...

1) What is your source for this information?

2) What is that source's agenda?

3) Do you subscribe to that kind of conspiratorial thinking often?

[pualaxkoalaxhfm]

dude theyre scientists. THEYRE the sources

[wolffrankenstein]

If M THEORY is right maybe our whole multi-dimensional universe is truly completely infinite like M SET.

[phobosx12]

well just from looking at wmap of the universe, or well a tree for that matter, our universe looks completely infinite and infinitly irregular, our universe makes the Mset look like a equilateral triangle

[cdsupreme1717]

Nassim Haramein's theory of infinity contained within a finite space seems more feasible to me, but then again, I am not a theoretical physicist.

[tonyrosam]

NO. the plank length is complete bullshit. There is no limit to the division of matter, only what humans could ever imagine to perceive with tools. The physics community are just scared of this fact.

[dewsplash]

agreed

[jonjonmcjonjon]

The "Planck" length is hardly bullshit, it's simply the smallest known unit of measure in current physics.

And if you are going to be so bold as to slag off an entire system of measurement widely used in physics as well as an entire community who devote their lives to the study of this field, then please back your claims with some hard data of your own. If not, and all you can provide is base conjecture and insults, then please refrain from commenting on the subject any further.

[MarTin3Z420]

quatum physics is the science of the smallest particules and they came to the conclusion that there isnt a smallest particles because everything is vibrations...

[phobosx12]

you can take a million million million million of and inch and divide that a million million billion trillion quadrillion times and so on and so on

[dhwgrooves]

I think Hawkins is right our universe probably does have a limit but I don't believe that for all existence I think that is 2 different things.

[dewsplash]

For me inner space is infinite. And so is outer space. Our universe is apart of something infinitely larger than itself. Some seem to be uncomfortable looking at reality in this way. But for me its obvious and I feel wonderfully connected to everything. Even the infinitely large and small parts of existence.

[dizzo95]

I found this quote on the internet:

" We suspect that there is a limit to how small anything can be, because on a very small distance scale the combination of quantum mechanics and General Relativity goes haywire. Roughly speaking, if something is very small, it has a big momentum spread and a lot of energy. But if it has a lot of energy in a little space, a black hole forms. For a given amount of energy theres a minimum size of black hole. " by Mike W. ( answer in 'smallest particle? )

[dewsplash]

Interesting but I still have a hunch(I don't know) that beyond QM and GR going haywire all you need to explain ever decreasing sizes are new dimensions. This will always be beyond our understanding just like we can't know whats outside our universe we can't know whats inside 1x10 to the power of negative infinity.

[tonyrosam]

why are new dimensions required? i dont think its that complex 4th dimension seems to fit all. dont buy into that extra dimension shit its smart people trying to get money thats all. 4-d is all we need :)

[dewsplash]

Have you ever smoke DMT? Try it and get back to me about dimensions.

[tonyrosam]

Funny. No that stuff is hard to find pure form, unless you can synth it. Which is also hard. Ill try Ayahuasca soon tho.

[Wheatheredtome]

there was an episode of the universe, on the history Chanel,

about the Multiverse,

just thought I'd toss that thought in there,

[pastimetrippin]

he said that there is a size in which nothing exist.

nothing is that only infinite thing there is, all things disapear and reform constantly and have a finite existance, nothing on the other hand never changes never goes away.

matter may or may not be finite...but nothing is undoubtably forever

[drtyltlbgr]

only because nothing is void of time and space.

nothing can't change because that would mean it was something......

[ododidit]

i do not agree with stephen, the real universe most likely WILL be infinite.

[georgemargaris]

the universe surely IS infinite in many ways. But it maybe is NOT infinite in ALL Ways.

Thats probably what Stephen Hawkings is saying.

In SOME ways the universe is restricted. Why not? It would still be infinite, but with a "resolution".

[calvinjones]

buy video four i`m pretty much ou of it...

[jackferwerda]

"new devices based on the principles of fractal geometry" ... Kind of like the internet.

[kastrato90]

pink floyd is the only music suitable for fractals

[dafaucas]

may be for you

[kastrato90]

i didn't mean it like that. i just noticed some pink floyd tunes and i thought it was nice. don't get jumpy. what? is it not floyd? if not i would like to know what it is that i can download some. thank you

[drtyltlbgr]

it's totally pink floyd playing on all of this.

[Stratophony]

yup.... sorta.

It's a score Roger Waters composed solely for this movie.

If you want the music itself... my best guess is to look for a soundtrack.

[Stratophony]

My mistake... it's composed by David Gilmour; not Roger Waters.

I guess that makes more sense, he was always better at writing more spacey stuff. Roger owns him on lyrics though.

[phvalue323]

If you could, would you spend your whole life searching deeper and deeper into the mandelbrot? My question would be, what is the point of analysis into infinity. I think, if the mandelbrot set is a representation of reality, and our lives are at points, deep within, that time is the reproach from that deep point, and those small reiterations of the big picture are both birth and death. But ultimately, the working of this problem, regarding reality, is time, and the figures are physical matter.

[Wheatheredtome]

there really is no such thing as time it's Illusions are quite relative,

if this was not so then the physics regarding light, wouldn't be correct,

the time which we perceive in the numbers on our clock's are only relative to how long it takes the orbit of planetary body's such as the sun earth and moon to go round each other time is the measurment of those things,

with that thought alone time seems highly abstract,

i don't have enough room here to Finnish explaining the rest of this,

[phvalue323]

Time is not like a line, more like a dot, ever expanding on an ever-expanding plane. The result looks like neither the dot or the plane are increasing. This singularity is what we call the now. We experience memories in the present, and so memories are an illusion as well. Time is the movement, vibration, motion of elementary particles or energy. Time is Matter; matter and time are interwoven. Without matter there is no time. The big bang happened, time began, but still, endless nothing exists.

[SigmundF17]

When membrane theory is combined with fractal geometry the infinite number of dimensions/universes seems much more plausible.

[pcdsgh]

does anyone know the music at 4:15? please reply as I won't be able to come and search for the answer too often

[Sclorched]

thriller by michael jackson

[greg5566]

I realize as I'm saying this that I am just describing the basic concepts of real analysis. I can't remember any of the names now, but mathematically, that's exactly what we're talking about, isn't it. An open versus closed disk, etc? Something like that--it's been a while!

[greg5566]

. . . but still ever closer approximations of the actual infinite boundary?

What I'm wondering about specifically, is when you're in the middle of one of those complicated spirals, where it's all bunched together, if you dove into the middle, of a space outside the set, is there still some stray tentacle, impossibly small, that we haven't seen? Or is there line beyond which those tentacles do not cross? ....

[greg5566]

Another question for smart people. Is there an outer boundary to the set? I mean a big, rough boundary, for instance are any points in the set more than say a distance of 10 from the origin? More than 100?

Equally, can you refine that boundary ever closer and closer to the real boundary? In other words, obviously, the "actual" boundary of the set is infinite in length. Can we draw a circle around it, and refine that circle more and more, always a _finite_ length, but still ever closer...

[dewsplash]

Try to think of it like this. You take 2 points. Halve the distance between the points. Do this infinitely over and over. The 2 points will never touch. But they mover closer and closer every time forever. So the mandelbrot does move out infinitely but also shrinks infinitely at the same time or grows depending how you look at it.

[greg5566]

I know how to think about it; you didn't answer my question.

If you take two points, then those points do have an outer bound. Does the Mandelbrot set?

(This is a simple real analysis question--I'm just asking what the answer is. The series: 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + ... does have an upper bound (1). The series 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + ... does _not_ have an upper bound.)

My question is, which is the Mandelbrot set? Is it bounded?

[dewsplash]

Mandelbrot Set is seen to have an elaborate boundary, which does not simplify at any given magnification. This qualifies the boundary as a fractal.

[dewsplash]

Ok sorry. The resaults in the set are either stable or go off into infinity or down into zero. So yes it does have an upper and lower bound as you've descibed.

[PlanetarPL]

Haha - nice. Hawking said it has a limit. The Buddha has bean asked about it and he said somthing like that:

I have searched and look deep inside but didnt find finity. In the one grain of sand there is a whole limitles of universes. And finity cannot be found nowhere because this go and go forever.

Isnt this beautiful? This can and will always bring a dizzy and still be uncomprehended for the scientists. Now we have found a tiny quarks but still there is more and more to be found - for ever :)

[vonshtoyven]

dude, how The Buddha described it is exactly what was going through my head as i watched this part of the movie. and just thinking about the applications of it is blowing my mind, therefore i must write them down!

away to the bat cave!

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