I don't agree with Terrence on the theory that "there was only an ocean of free moving electrons". Electromagnetism is not the only form of energy. In fact, I believe that waves of space-time are what we consider energy (in a sense the standard model of physics agrees with me)... But that's my opinion based on my research.
the 4 forces are different points on the same irrational rising curve, they are irrational waves, and matter is a rationalisation of those forces, that there are more forces the more dimensions we percieve.
The smaller and faster you are, the weaker the forces become, and vice versa.
earth's gravity field is a big irrational number, of which the planet is a rationalisation.
@natmanprime Thanks for the reply. I agree and I disagree. I don't believe there are any more forces the higher dimensions we perceive... In fact I think in the 4th level dimension we would realize that all of the 4 forces are 1 force seen at different "angles"... If that makes any sense. I have my own views on dimension and can arrange an explanation if needed. I do agree that gravity plays a role in the creation of matter (an illusion in my opinion).
@natmanprime Thanks for showing interest and for replying. This may take about 4-5 comments, so prepare yourself!.. Lol. And just for a reminder, this is mostly my opinion. It's (I think) obvious to say that at any moment in time we are not able to perceive more than 2 dimensions of space, meaning, we cannot move around an object to see that it's 3 dimensional... Also, the light which reflects and refracts off of objects (including our eyes) would be at a standstill. ...
@natmanprime I'm not 100% sure if I agree on that note. What I was trying to say (just for clarification) was that at any moment (if we could pause time) we are only able to see 2 dimensions. It would be impossible for the light to reflect off of objects for us to interpret the time it takes for the light to reach us as distance. Not to mention, everything would look like a still picture and there would be no evolution/change.
@natmanprime What I was actually trying to say was that time would not "literally" stop. It was just an analogy and a lousy one at that. The point I was trying to make was that if there was no 4th level dimension than we wouldn't exist anyway (at least in this sense). There is no such thing as 2nd level dimensional just as there is no such thing as 3rd level... That was my only point, whether there are higher dimensions than 4th level or not. ...
@natmanprime ... If that's true, than we can say that's 2 dimensions of space and 0 of time (indicated by the "moment" or singularity). By adding a dimension of time we can perceive 3 dimensions of space... Like stringing infinite moments of time infinitely close together... Hope that makes sense. This is why space and time are not separate concepts. They are one and the same (space-time). This is why I use the term "3rd level dimension" instead of 4 dimensional like conventional scientists. ...
@InfinityOE YES I also agree 3d requires time to exist
however I don't think time has to be the 4th d.
NO I don't agree with the use of the word infinite, (but that's understandable, because I don't think mathematicians use it properly either, and you're clearly more open minded)
YES space/time are indeed a continuum, I think space(area) is a rationalisation of time.
@natmanprime I was actually saying the same thing about not calling time the 4th dimension. I use the term 3rd level dimension for the fact that one cannot exist without the other (3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions).
When I use the word infinite, I'm talking about the infinitely small. Like, how many singular points are there in 4 inches?.. Or how many sides are in pi?.. Infinite. So it's finite, yet infinite if that makes any more sense.
Einstein was the first to use the term "space-time".
@InfinityOE regarding infinity, the term I think you'd be better off with is a term not often used: indefinite. This is the nature of the irrational number, like pi, etc.
infinity has to tak up all space everywhere forever, anywhere it doesn't exist has to be proof that it isn't infinite.
infinity has to be absolute in other words.
everything has to be an abstraction , or made of, infinity.
It can't be a measurement like 'infinitely long/small'
@natmanprime ... A shadow of a 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional plane requires each plane of the 3D object to exist in the same position (like the Necker Cube). I believe the same would apply to a higher level dimension as well. 4D space requires multiple 3D objects to exists in the same position. 2D time would be a "fractal" of 2D space. Just as 1D time is infinite moments infinitely close together in a "line", 2D time is infinite lines infinitely close together. ...
@InfinityOE I don't know what you mean by 'fractal of 2d space' unless you mean 2d time is the remainder of an irrational number of when it's been rounded off as 2d space.??
I would say 2d time has to be linear time plus possibility (left and right), in other words, parallel worlds.
@natmanprime What I meant by using the term "fractal" is that space and time both follow the same patterns but are at different points. Like 1 dimension of space is linear as well as 1 dimension of time, although they do not exist at the same point and never will. 3D space with 1D time... 4D space with 2D time. I hope that makes a bit more sense. What I was saying about 2D time is that it's a plane. ...
@natmanprime ... I was thinking about it, and if there are multiple "time-lines", than there are alternate "realities" or "parallel universes" (if you're familiar with the Many Worlds theory)... There is multiple possibilities for a 3D object... Thus, the 4th level dimension. Now to change the subject a little bit... Some forms of torsion field physics suggests that all matter is an illusion brought forth by a wave of space imploding into a singularity. ...
@natmanprime I'm not sure what that first sentence meant.
But I don't believe matter is real... However I do believe that we have the ability to create these torsion waves by moving through the 4th level dimension and arrange them in whichever pattern (most of that is done by the subconscious mind). That's one of the more controversial theories of mine and I can see we probably won't agree on it, so I'll leave it at that.
@natmanprime Hmm... I wouldn't know. I'm more of the philosopher type and only occasionally indulge in some basic mathematics. I think you'd have to ask a general relativist about calculating waves of space.
@natmanprime ... These waves follow patterns which many suggest is where sacred geometry comes from... If you're familiar with sacred geometry at all. One torsion field hypothesis suggests that it's waves of space which creates electromagnetism (which is not so far fetched, seeing as how it bends space as it moves (depending on certain factors)). Bending space is obviously what gravity is as well, so I'll let you make the connection on that one. ...
@InfinityOE well, I don't think it's absolutely predictable because i believe the curve to be irrational, but yes I'm into the idea of geometry though i don't know it that well
@natmanprime I believe that thinking in terms of 4D space is irrational in itself (on our level of perception), so trying to calculate the wave of space would be irrational and leave us with anomalies unless we perceived 4th level dimension. There are other theories which state that the strong and weak nuclear forces are quantum gravity, but no good mathematics to support it. It's 4th level stuff I tell ya... Lol.
@InfinityOE To add to that (which I should have done a minute ago), if everything is one, than that would mean that all the forces are one as well. And what's more, all wave frequencies would be the same, just seen at different angles... Like if you have a 2 dimensional representation of a wave and angle it so that it looks like the frequency is increased of decreased... IDK if I can explain that very good.
@InfinityOE well, if you want it philosophically, consider this: all is 1. So the universe is an abstract singular 'propertyless' infinite absolute unit.
this unit squared, cubed etc, always = 1.
lets take a square for example. The square has area of 1, side and length both 1. The invisible diagonals from these points will be root2, an irrational number. No other lines are implied in this square.
Whenever a singularity exists, an irrationality is implied.
@natmanprime Yes... I'm saying exactly that... The universe and everything 3rd level dimensional is an abstraction (or shadow, if you will) of a 4th level dimensional torsion wave which can't be comprehended in our lower dimension. Yes it's impossible to calculate singularities, but it's not impossible to have a philosophical theory involving them.
@InfinityOE To add to that... Yes it would be infinite in our eyes because of the fact that increasing in dimension creates an infinite number of the previous (I.E. 1 dimension has an infinite number of singularities (0 dimensional points), 2 dimensions has an infinite number of lines (1 dimensional), 3 dimensional has an infinite number of planes (2 dimensional) and so we're left to think that 4 dimensional would be the same... An infinite number of 3 dimensional volumes).
@natmanprime I'm extremely happy to have helped you... In fact, you've made my day by saying that. :-) Thanks for the kindness. And also thanks for having discussion to bring to the table... I have a feeling I'm learning as much from your point of view as you are with mine. I'm not familiar with dimensional mathematics in the least so you're helping me out with this. I've never actually thought about the correlation between perception and odd numbers. That's interesting... Please, more!
@InfinityOE lol thanks for calling it 'dimensional mathematics'
I was only teling you my personal ideas, I'm no mathematician
anyway, the stuff we see is 2,4 and 6 dimensions:
2=object, 4=event, 6=meaning
'meaning'? well, this is rationalised at the subconsious, creating apparent 'beauty' or 'ugliness', when a frog for example would see the same thing but with indifference.
1d =emotion, 3d =touch, 5d =possibility
the 3rd d is actually unseen, it is only implied by it's effect of distortion on2d
@natmanprime Hmm... Definitely an interesting philosophy. I was thinking about what you said and I think you're absolutely right. We can only conceive of even dimensions. At any given moment we are seeing 2 dimensions, we appear to be living in 4 dimensions (or 3rd level dimension) and we can obviously theorize a 6 dimensional reality (or 4th level dimension). That's very interesting. ...
@natmanprime ... I can definitely agree that we "feel" the 3rd dimension without feeling the 4th (of course 1D time). This is why time is much harder to conceive than space. 5D (or 4D space and 1D time) I could see as "possibility" as opposed to 6D (4th level dimension) making those possibilities each it's own reality or "meaning". The only one I have to question is "1D=Emotion", only because I don't get a great visual for that in my head. Thanks for all of this though... Great thoughts.
@InfinityOE cheers mate just to clarify, we see 2,4,6d. We feel 1,3,5d. when i said 'meaning' I should have said the 'principle' dimension. For example we see a collection of carbon atoms moving(2+4d). Depending on the particular principle by which they move(6d) we see either coal, diamond.
Time is the irrational odd dimensions 1,3,5, inherently dynamic and imperceptible. They distort and dilate the 'd's we see. Time is felt not seen.
@natmanprime Yes... It makes sense to me. I haven't thought about the odd dimensions enough to fully understand or make sense of the "feeling" aspect. And I also believe there is an infinite (not indefinite) number of dimensions... Although I have no theory for that. I definitely agree that we only see in even dimensions. I would say that 1D time can either be seen as the 3rd or 4th dimension (doesn't matter because 3D space and 1D time cannot be separated). ...
@InfinityOE thanks for reply. As I said, infinity cannot be a measure of anything, it is absolution itself. However, you're not alone in this , many mathematicians agree with you. I'm saying that this logically cannot be the case, and I feel this is a crucial thing to understand.
how many dimensions if you take 1 away? infinite? can't be.
BUT infinity-any number =infinity.
dimensions, like everything else, are not objectively there. Perception= rationalisation
@natmanprime I think you pretty much explained my thoughts on that better than I could!.. Thanks. I especially like how you put that "Perception=Rationalisation". I believe no dimension actually exists, but there is an infinite number of possibilities when rationalizing something from nothing... Like the big bang for an example.
the act of rationalisation is the imposition of infinite absolution on to indefinity. This rationalises definition, YinYang, existence, duality, perception, the past, light.
The past is a hierarchy of light.
Indefinity is the Time/space wave, Difference, felt, but unseen, the irrational number, reality, "holy spirit", energy.
Infinity is The absolute, "God the father", Self, Absolution, singularity.
@natmanprime I meant what I said. I believe the universe at the point of the big bang could have gone in absolutely any direction. When there is nothing, that means there is a completely open-ended number of possible something that could happen... If that makes any sense at all.
@InfinityOE an open ended number is an irrational number, that's indefinite. I know what you mean, but what you're talking about is an indefinite number, that's all.
maths calls them 'trans finite numbers', i call them indefinite.
infinity is not a measure of any quantity, it's the singular abstract totality of all that exists and all that ever existed 'before' the big bang, and all that ever will exist. Infinity is you pre birth, post death, in dreamless sleep, the self while awake/dreaming.
@natmanprime It is very tricky, but thinking about the possibilities of something if there was nothing seems rather open-ended and irrational... Although - judging by our scientific knowledge of this reality - I can understand how it wouldn't be infinite. There was a starting point (the singularity before the big bang) which means there is something anyway (although only a concept), which renders the universe finite...
@InfinityOE i take it you got my comment after all? the one 'flagged as spam'?
Pls let me know, because this is very interesting to me, it sounds very weird.
Anyway, infinity is a quality, not a quantity, it undermines that notion. Infinite mustard= infinite choice= infinite rhubarb= infinite anything. Once somethings infinite, thats it -it becomes infinity. It MUST be: abstract, and singular.
It's what's imposed on 'fuzzy' irrationality to bring (rationalise) focus,definition, clarity.
@natmanprime I still did not get the spammed comment, I was just commenting on your previous post (which is actually 2 comments if you didn't happen to notice). I do understand the concept of infinity, I was simply trying to show that infinity is impossible in our universe, but debating on whether there were an infinite number of possibilities before the big bang (going by the assumption that there was nothing). Does the fact that our universe was a concept at all effect it's state of infinity?
@InfinityOE hmmm, glad you raised that point, (btw glad you're back i thought you'd disappeared!) anyway the speed of thought as signals around the brain is about 300 mph i think. But, where is that 'point of self', somewhere behind the eyes? well, it can't be percieved in any CAT(brain) scans, thers just a collection of electric signals moving around the brain. So this must be an abstract, propertyless singularity directly implied by the signals in the brain.
@InfinityOE ok i just resent you the spammed comment.
regarding infinity, it is indeed not part of reality, it is without all possible reality, and within all possible reality.
western rationalism calls it the "singularity", therefore represented by 1. Eastern philosophy understood it as "the nullity"(basically!), or "the tao" represented by 0 (i know it means path,the way etc).
earlier i mentioned "infinte choice".
infinity eliminates choice, just as it would any physical object.
@InfinityOE nothing can affect, create or destroy infinity. it can be implied, at which point it is an aspect of an 8 dimensional construct known as Intent , or the Emergent Will of the planet, (by me lol)or Gravity.
The 'tide of history' is an 8 dimensonal fatal construct, within which 7d chaos/magic/synchronicity resides. It's why you were born when/where you did, and me here/now, as opposed to anywhere/when else.
@natmanprime ... I guess this whole concept of infinity would get lost in our heads if we could understand our quantum non-local space-time continuum anyway... Not to mention I don't particularly want to get into a debate about whether mathematics would allow infinity to exist without space-time... But perhaps space-time existing as a singularity at all renders infinity not possible. Haha... Now I'm losing myself... You understand what I'm saying, right?
@natmanprime ... I can't even say for sure that time is "felt". It can be known, but is it directly perceived at all? I will point out that dimension is perceived much differently when traveling closer or further to the speed of light (electrical movement).
The closer the future comes to us, the less abstract it becomes, this is also the case for matter, whereby the smaller it gets, the more abstract it becomes.
how long is a moment? Whatever we feel it to be, indefinite
everything we percieve is in the past, because light travels.
We forget this because we are infinitessimally short distances away from each other, always on the same planet.
@natmanprime Great wording again. I actually wake up every morning and try to remind myself that I'm living in the present but perceiving the past. Another thing to add to that would be that our thoughts travel at the speed of light as well... We aren't even truly "living" in the present because it takes time for electromagnetic signals to convey information throughout our physical body.
@InfinityOE hmmm, glad you raised that point, (btw glad you're back i thought you'd disappeared!) anyway the speed of thought as signals around the brain is about 300 mph i think. But, where is that 'point of self', somewhere behind the eyes? well, it can't be percieved in any CAT(brain) scans, thers just a collection of electric signals moving around the brain. So this must be an abstract, propertyless singularity directly implied by the signals in the brain.
@natmanprime I actually can't... When I push the "show" link it basically just refreshes the comment page. The only option I have is to "flag for spam" again.
@InfinityOE i'll try putting it this way: if you say there's an nfinite amout of things, you're chopping up infinity into defined things. Once you do that, you can say "right, take off 1 dimension". what are you left with? infinity-1? then what? it's not infinity anymore, so it's a finite number. If you add 1 to a finite number it's still finite.
However, an indefinite amount means you can take a finite number away, and you're still left with indefinity(i.e irrational no.s-rational no.s)
@natmanprime ... Now, to connect this all back together. I take my dimension theory even one step further by hypothesizing that there is only one torsion wave existing in the 4th level dimension being projected into different realities. To make it easy to understand... 2nd level dimensional beings could go there whole lives without ever realizing that there is a 3rd level because each level of perception can exist as an illusion... If that makes any sense too. ...
@natmanprime My whole theory requires that this torsion wave exists in the 4th level dimension to project itself (in the 3rd level dimension) as separate waves in separate realities/time-lines intersecting at different points (which is why we think we see more than one piece of matter.
@natmanprime ... This one torsion wave is the only thing that exists. As we move through our 3rd level dimension we will never perceive everything as it is... Connected. Instead we see that everything is separate and unrelated. Now, of course I didn't just leave it at that... I have a huge catalog of religious and philosophical theories that fit right along with this. I won't bore you with those, again, unless you're interested. ...
@natmanprime Thanks for listening! I have not read either of those books but I've heard nothing but incredible things about Prometheus Rising. I've been planning on picking it up for a while now. Thanks for the other suggestion as well... I'll add that to my list.
@natmanprime ... Sorry for kicking everybody's comments off of page 1... That took up a bit more space than I thought it would I appreciate your interest and patience... I love to try to explain my philosophy to those willing to hear it. I'm happy to answer any questions or explain anything further. Again, most of that was my opinion and was not intended to be contradictory toward any beliefs you, or anybody else might have. Thanks again.
@Knockturnall1 LSD might be man made but DMT is made in your own brain. You can get it from plants too which is why I want to go to Brazil. Ayahuasca is legal there!
@Sugamari For shure. I'm totally done with all that. The only way to really understanding this life on earth is to knowing Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ, Our Dear Lord Shepherd and Savior. All other things are Satans work. He works trough people so that they can be deceived. God Bless brother!....
I don't agree with Terrence on the theory that "there was only an ocean of free moving electrons". Electromagnetism is not the only form of energy. In fact, I believe that waves of space-time are what we consider energy (in a sense the standard model of physics agrees with me)... But that's my opinion based on my research.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE Yes!
i think something similar...
the 4 forces are different points on the same irrational rising curve, they are irrational waves, and matter is a rationalisation of those forces, that there are more forces the more dimensions we percieve.
The smaller and faster you are, the weaker the forces become, and vice versa.
earth's gravity field is a big irrational number, of which the planet is a rationalisation.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Thanks for the reply. I agree and I disagree. I don't believe there are any more forces the higher dimensions we perceive... In fact I think in the 4th level dimension we would realize that all of the 4 forces are 1 force seen at different "angles"... If that makes any sense. I have my own views on dimension and can arrange an explanation if needed. I do agree that gravity plays a role in the creation of matter (an illusion in my opinion).
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE please arrange your explanation, I am interested
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Thanks for showing interest and for replying. This may take about 4-5 comments, so prepare yourself!.. Lol. And just for a reminder, this is mostly my opinion. It's (I think) obvious to say that at any moment in time we are not able to perceive more than 2 dimensions of space, meaning, we cannot move around an object to see that it's 3 dimensional... Also, the light which reflects and refracts off of objects (including our eyes) would be at a standstill. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE I think...
correct about 2d
infact we see multiples of 2d, i.e 4d,6d etc.
sight is inherently the receipt of 2d information.
the 'odd' dimensions (1,3,5etc) are imperceptible, only felt, like emotion, touch, smell, hearing.
so I agree so far
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I'm not 100% sure if I agree on that note. What I was trying to say (just for clarification) was that at any moment (if we could pause time) we are only able to see 2 dimensions. It would be impossible for the light to reflect off of objects for us to interpret the time it takes for the light to reach us as distance. Not to mention, everything would look like a still picture and there would be no evolution/change.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE That's not true i'm afraid
if time stopped we'd percieve nothing because we'd be dead
there'd be no 'still picture' because vision and everything else depends on movement.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime What I was actually trying to say was that time would not "literally" stop. It was just an analogy and a lousy one at that. The point I was trying to make was that if there was no 4th level dimension than we wouldn't exist anyway (at least in this sense). There is no such thing as 2nd level dimensional just as there is no such thing as 3rd level... That was my only point, whether there are higher dimensions than 4th level or not. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE ... I personally believe there are but I have no theory backing up those claims past 4th level.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
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InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... If that's true, than we can say that's 2 dimensions of space and 0 of time (indicated by the "moment" or singularity). By adding a dimension of time we can perceive 3 dimensions of space... Like stringing infinite moments of time infinitely close together... Hope that makes sense. This is why space and time are not separate concepts. They are one and the same (space-time). This is why I use the term "3rd level dimension" instead of 4 dimensional like conventional scientists. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE YES I also agree 3d requires time to exist
however I don't think time has to be the 4th d.
NO I don't agree with the use of the word infinite, (but that's understandable, because I don't think mathematicians use it properly either, and you're clearly more open minded)
YES space/time are indeed a continuum, I think space(area) is a rationalisation of time.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I was actually saying the same thing about not calling time the 4th dimension. I use the term 3rd level dimension for the fact that one cannot exist without the other (3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions).
When I use the word infinite, I'm talking about the infinitely small. Like, how many singular points are there in 4 inches?.. Or how many sides are in pi?.. Infinite. So it's finite, yet infinite if that makes any more sense.
Einstein was the first to use the term "space-time".
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE regarding infinity, the term I think you'd be better off with is a term not often used: indefinite. This is the nature of the irrational number, like pi, etc.
infinity has to tak up all space everywhere forever, anywhere it doesn't exist has to be proof that it isn't infinite.
infinity has to be absolute in other words.
everything has to be an abstraction , or made of, infinity.
It can't be a measurement like 'infinitely long/small'
you can say indefinite though
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I appreciate that suggestion... That does makes plenty more sense.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... A shadow of a 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional plane requires each plane of the 3D object to exist in the same position (like the Necker Cube). I believe the same would apply to a higher level dimension as well. 4D space requires multiple 3D objects to exists in the same position. 2D time would be a "fractal" of 2D space. Just as 1D time is infinite moments infinitely close together in a "line", 2D time is infinite lines infinitely close together. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE I don't know what you mean by 'fractal of 2d space' unless you mean 2d time is the remainder of an irrational number of when it's been rounded off as 2d space.??
I would say 2d time has to be linear time plus possibility (left and right), in other words, parallel worlds.
otherwise I don't follow you in this comment
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime What I meant by using the term "fractal" is that space and time both follow the same patterns but are at different points. Like 1 dimension of space is linear as well as 1 dimension of time, although they do not exist at the same point and never will. 3D space with 1D time... 4D space with 2D time. I hope that makes a bit more sense. What I was saying about 2D time is that it's a plane. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE ... Instead of perceive each moment in time we would experience whole time-lines moving through a plane/area.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE that's moving sideways through time i suppose
that's occured to me before...
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Yes, that's exactly what I was saying.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... I was thinking about it, and if there are multiple "time-lines", than there are alternate "realities" or "parallel universes" (if you're familiar with the Many Worlds theory)... There is multiple possibilities for a 3D object... Thus, the 4th level dimension. Now to change the subject a little bit... Some forms of torsion field physics suggests that all matter is an illusion brought forth by a wave of space imploding into a singularity. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE 'wave of space...singularity'=root2/1 (i would say)
and that matter is real, reality is a rationalisation of a basic abstraction, not the other way round, but yes that's right
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I'm not sure what that first sentence meant.
But I don't believe matter is real... However I do believe that we have the ability to create these torsion waves by moving through the 4th level dimension and arrange them in whichever pattern (most of that is done by the subconscious mind). That's one of the more controversial theories of mine and I can see we probably won't agree on it, so I'll leave it at that.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE i meant that space waves can be expressed by an irrational number(root2), the singularity can be expessed by 1...
but i'm not sure really
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Hmm... I wouldn't know. I'm more of the philosopher type and only occasionally indulge in some basic mathematics. I think you'd have to ask a general relativist about calculating waves of space.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... These waves follow patterns which many suggest is where sacred geometry comes from... If you're familiar with sacred geometry at all. One torsion field hypothesis suggests that it's waves of space which creates electromagnetism (which is not so far fetched, seeing as how it bends space as it moves (depending on certain factors)). Bending space is obviously what gravity is as well, so I'll let you make the connection on that one. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE well, I don't think it's absolutely predictable because i believe the curve to be irrational, but yes I'm into the idea of geometry though i don't know it that well
YES to waves of space
and to electro-gravity thing
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I believe that thinking in terms of 4D space is irrational in itself (on our level of perception), so trying to calculate the wave of space would be irrational and leave us with anomalies unless we perceived 4th level dimension. There are other theories which state that the strong and weak nuclear forces are quantum gravity, but no good mathematics to support it. It's 4th level stuff I tell ya... Lol.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE To add to that (which I should have done a minute ago), if everything is one, than that would mean that all the forces are one as well. And what's more, all wave frequencies would be the same, just seen at different angles... Like if you have a 2 dimensional representation of a wave and angle it so that it looks like the frequency is increased of decreased... IDK if I can explain that very good.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE well, if you want it philosophically, consider this: all is 1. So the universe is an abstract singular 'propertyless' infinite absolute unit.
this unit squared, cubed etc, always = 1.
lets take a square for example. The square has area of 1, side and length both 1. The invisible diagonals from these points will be root2, an irrational number. No other lines are implied in this square.
Whenever a singularity exists, an irrationality is implied.
That is presence, time, beingimho
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Yes... I'm saying exactly that... The universe and everything 3rd level dimensional is an abstraction (or shadow, if you will) of a 4th level dimensional torsion wave which can't be comprehended in our lower dimension. Yes it's impossible to calculate singularities, but it's not impossible to have a philosophical theory involving them.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE To add to that... Yes it would be infinite in our eyes because of the fact that increasing in dimension creates an infinite number of the previous (I.E. 1 dimension has an infinite number of singularities (0 dimensional points), 2 dimensions has an infinite number of lines (1 dimensional), 3 dimensional has an infinite number of planes (2 dimensional) and so we're left to think that 4 dimensional would be the same... An infinite number of 3 dimensional volumes).
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE well, I would say indefinite number of singularities, not infinite.
Infinity has no property and therefore cannot be created/destroyed. It undermines that duality, as it undermines all duality.
It is the basic substance of abstraction. What thought's made of.
I don't recognize 0 as a concept either.
So 1 dimensional information is an indefinity of singularities (1 d points), expressed as root2.
2d information is an indefinity of indefinities (root2 * root2) expressed as 2.
: )
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Wow... Thanks for that. You definitely helped me out with that logical explanation. ;-)
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE you have no idea how rare you are on YT...you actually think before responding.
and you have no idea how much you've helped ME out
you've restored my hope in humanity : 0
let's go a little further...
all dimensional information can be expressed as multiples of root2, i.e. 3d=root2*3, 6d=root2*6 etc.
what you're left with is that the odd dimensions are irrational numbers, and the even dimensions are rational numbers.
perception =rationalisation, so we see the even 'd's + feel the odd
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I'm extremely happy to have helped you... In fact, you've made my day by saying that. :-) Thanks for the kindness. And also thanks for having discussion to bring to the table... I have a feeling I'm learning as much from your point of view as you are with mine. I'm not familiar with dimensional mathematics in the least so you're helping me out with this. I've never actually thought about the correlation between perception and odd numbers. That's interesting... Please, more!
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE lol thanks for calling it 'dimensional mathematics'
I was only teling you my personal ideas, I'm no mathematician
anyway, the stuff we see is 2,4 and 6 dimensions:
2=object, 4=event, 6=meaning
'meaning'? well, this is rationalised at the subconsious, creating apparent 'beauty' or 'ugliness', when a frog for example would see the same thing but with indifference.
1d =emotion, 3d =touch, 5d =possibility
the 3rd d is actually unseen, it is only implied by it's effect of distortion on2d
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Hmm... Definitely an interesting philosophy. I was thinking about what you said and I think you're absolutely right. We can only conceive of even dimensions. At any given moment we are seeing 2 dimensions, we appear to be living in 4 dimensions (or 3rd level dimension) and we can obviously theorize a 6 dimensional reality (or 4th level dimension). That's very interesting. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... I can definitely agree that we "feel" the 3rd dimension without feeling the 4th (of course 1D time). This is why time is much harder to conceive than space. 5D (or 4D space and 1D time) I could see as "possibility" as opposed to 6D (4th level dimension) making those possibilities each it's own reality or "meaning". The only one I have to question is "1D=Emotion", only because I don't get a great visual for that in my head. Thanks for all of this though... Great thoughts.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE cheers mate just to clarify, we see 2,4,6d. We feel 1,3,5d. when i said 'meaning' I should have said the 'principle' dimension. For example we see a collection of carbon atoms moving(2+4d). Depending on the particular principle by which they move(6d) we see either coal, diamond.
Time is the irrational odd dimensions 1,3,5, inherently dynamic and imperceptible. They distort and dilate the 'd's we see. Time is felt not seen.
emotion=chemical movement
thoughts=electric movement
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Yes... It makes sense to me. I haven't thought about the odd dimensions enough to fully understand or make sense of the "feeling" aspect. And I also believe there is an infinite (not indefinite) number of dimensions... Although I have no theory for that. I definitely agree that we only see in even dimensions. I would say that 1D time can either be seen as the 3rd or 4th dimension (doesn't matter because 3D space and 1D time cannot be separated). ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE thanks for reply. As I said, infinity cannot be a measure of anything, it is absolution itself. However, you're not alone in this , many mathematicians agree with you. I'm saying that this logically cannot be the case, and I feel this is a crucial thing to understand.
how many dimensions if you take 1 away? infinite? can't be.
BUT infinity-any number =infinity.
dimensions, like everything else, are not objectively there. Perception= rationalisation
infinity=absolute abstraction
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I think you pretty much explained my thoughts on that better than I could!.. Thanks. I especially like how you put that "Perception=Rationalisation". I believe no dimension actually exists, but there is an infinite number of possibilities when rationalizing something from nothing... Like the big bang for an example.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE *indefinite* number of possibilities!
sorry but i have to keep stressing this!
the act of rationalisation is the imposition of infinite absolution on to indefinity. This rationalises definition, YinYang, existence, duality, perception, the past, light.
The past is a hierarchy of light.
Indefinity is the Time/space wave, Difference, felt, but unseen, the irrational number, reality, "holy spirit", energy.
Infinity is The absolute, "God the father", Self, Absolution, singularity.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I meant what I said. I believe the universe at the point of the big bang could have gone in absolutely any direction. When there is nothing, that means there is a completely open-ended number of possible something that could happen... If that makes any sense at all.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE an open ended number is an irrational number, that's indefinite. I know what you mean, but what you're talking about is an indefinite number, that's all.
maths calls them 'trans finite numbers', i call them indefinite.
infinity is not a measure of any quantity, it's the singular abstract totality of all that exists and all that ever existed 'before' the big bang, and all that ever will exist. Infinity is you pre birth, post death, in dreamless sleep, the self while awake/dreaming.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Ok... Well that makes sense.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE i know it's a tricky thing to get because we live in a rationalist culture.
Having said that, you seem to be the only one I've ever met who gets it so quick and easy
Feel free to question anything that sounds wrong
These aren't just arbitrary things off the top of my head :)
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime It is very tricky, but thinking about the possibilities of something if there was nothing seems rather open-ended and irrational... Although - judging by our scientific knowledge of this reality - I can understand how it wouldn't be infinite. There was a starting point (the singularity before the big bang) which means there is something anyway (although only a concept), which renders the universe finite...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE i take it you got my comment after all? the one 'flagged as spam'?
Pls let me know, because this is very interesting to me, it sounds very weird.
Anyway, infinity is a quality, not a quantity, it undermines that notion. Infinite mustard= infinite choice= infinite rhubarb= infinite anything. Once somethings infinite, thats it -it becomes infinity. It MUST be: abstract, and singular.
It's what's imposed on 'fuzzy' irrationality to bring (rationalise) focus,definition, clarity.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I still did not get the spammed comment, I was just commenting on your previous post (which is actually 2 comments if you didn't happen to notice). I do understand the concept of infinity, I was simply trying to show that infinity is impossible in our universe, but debating on whether there were an infinite number of possibilities before the big bang (going by the assumption that there was nothing). Does the fact that our universe was a concept at all effect it's state of infinity?
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE hmmm, glad you raised that point, (btw glad you're back i thought you'd disappeared!) anyway the speed of thought as signals around the brain is about 300 mph i think. But, where is that 'point of self', somewhere behind the eyes? well, it can't be percieved in any CAT(brain) scans, thers just a collection of electric signals moving around the brain. So this must be an abstract, propertyless singularity directly implied by the signals in the brain.
future=abstract, so is the self.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@InfinityOE ok i just resent you the spammed comment.
regarding infinity, it is indeed not part of reality, it is without all possible reality, and within all possible reality.
western rationalism calls it the "singularity", therefore represented by 1. Eastern philosophy understood it as "the nullity"(basically!), or "the tao" represented by 0 (i know it means path,the way etc).
earlier i mentioned "infinte choice".
infinity eliminates choice, just as it would any physical object.
That's life!
natmanprime 1 year ago
@InfinityOE nothing can affect, create or destroy infinity. it can be implied, at which point it is an aspect of an 8 dimensional construct known as Intent , or the Emergent Will of the planet, (by me lol)or Gravity.
The 'tide of history' is an 8 dimensonal fatal construct, within which 7d chaos/magic/synchronicity resides. It's why you were born when/where you did, and me here/now, as opposed to anywhere/when else.
1d=time
3d=time/space
5d=tme/space/probability
7d=time/space/probability/magic.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... I guess this whole concept of infinity would get lost in our heads if we could understand our quantum non-local space-time continuum anyway... Not to mention I don't particularly want to get into a debate about whether mathematics would allow infinity to exist without space-time... But perhaps space-time existing as a singularity at all renders infinity not possible. Haha... Now I'm losing myself... You understand what I'm saying, right?
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE regarding time:
time is an irrationality, as a direct implication of singularity.
Both are abstract, and have therefore never/always existed.
irrationality=Difference.
singularity=Unity.
the 'speed' of Implication goes backwards in time.
The presence of Unity (1 or 0) and Difference (root2) implies Duality.
hence number 2 is born.
Now three concepts exist, invoking 3, and so on, going backwards in time, but irrationalities manifest instantly.
cause/effect/light is implied into form..
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... I can't even say for sure that time is "felt". It can be known, but is it directly perceived at all? I will point out that dimension is perceived much differently when traveling closer or further to the speed of light (electrical movement).
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE consider time. past=definite, present=felt, future=abstract.
The closer the future comes to us, the less abstract it becomes, this is also the case for matter, whereby the smaller it gets, the more abstract it becomes.
how long is a moment? Whatever we feel it to be, indefinite
everything we percieve is in the past, because light travels.
We forget this because we are infinitessimally short distances away from each other, always on the same planet.
past=definition, perception.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Great wording again. I actually wake up every morning and try to remind myself that I'm living in the present but perceiving the past. Another thing to add to that would be that our thoughts travel at the speed of light as well... We aren't even truly "living" in the present because it takes time for electromagnetic signals to convey information throughout our physical body.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
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@InfinityOE hmmm, glad you raised that point, (btw glad you're back i thought you'd disappeared!) anyway the speed of thought as signals around the brain is about 300 mph i think. But, where is that 'point of self', somewhere behind the eyes? well, it can't be percieved in any CAT(brain) scans, thers just a collection of electric signals moving around the brain. So this must be an abstract, propertyless singularity directly implied by the signals in the brain.
future=abstract, so is the self.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Perhaps you could re-post??? "Flagged as Spam".
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE really? i don't see any flagging...
anyway you could unflag it...
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I actually can't... When I push the "show" link it basically just refreshes the comment page. The only option I have is to "flag for spam" again.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE isn't it in your inbox, or emails? I'm confused...
natmanprime 1 year ago
@InfinityOE i'll try putting it this way: if you say there's an nfinite amout of things, you're chopping up infinity into defined things. Once you do that, you can say "right, take off 1 dimension". what are you left with? infinity-1? then what? it's not infinity anymore, so it's a finite number. If you add 1 to a finite number it's still finite.
However, an indefinite amount means you can take a finite number away, and you're still left with indefinity(i.e irrational no.s-rational no.s)
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime time would be the fourth dimension i think...not sure. but how do you see time.
MagicCryo 1 year ago
@MagicCryo well, it's unseen, but we recognize the effects of it on what we see. things further away are further back in time.
everything we see is in the past.
we rationalise 2d icons when we first open our eyes.
4d events(or "3d" objects) when we first moved around.
6d geometries we really begin fetishising when we're 7,8 or so until puberty, this period is the awakening and refining of sexual aesthetics.
dimensions 1,3,5= time, imperceptible, leavening the even dimensions into perception.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@MagicCryo Lol... What have you gotten yourself into!?
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE LOOOOOL 7d magic space, hopefully!
; D
natmanprime 1 year ago
@InfinityOE well that's how it seems to me anyway
: )
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... Now, to connect this all back together. I take my dimension theory even one step further by hypothesizing that there is only one torsion wave existing in the 4th level dimension being projected into different realities. To make it easy to understand... 2nd level dimensional beings could go there whole lives without ever realizing that there is a 3rd level because each level of perception can exist as an illusion... If that makes any sense too. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE YES to 1 'torsion wave' etc but
NO to 4th d (sounds arbitrary).
I think I know what you're saying here
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime My whole theory requires that this torsion wave exists in the 4th level dimension to project itself (in the 3rd level dimension) as separate waves in separate realities/time-lines intersecting at different points (which is why we think we see more than one piece of matter.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... This one torsion wave is the only thing that exists. As we move through our 3rd level dimension we will never perceive everything as it is... Connected. Instead we see that everything is separate and unrelated. Now, of course I didn't just leave it at that... I have a huge catalog of religious and philosophical theories that fit right along with this. I won't bore you with those, again, unless you're interested. ...
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE (kind of) YES to torsion wave
YES to separation-connection thing
have you read marcus chown's "quantum physics cannot hurt you" and RAW's "Prometheus Rising"?
they'll both be right up your alley i reckon
i'm glad you posted
: )
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Thanks for listening! I have not read either of those books but I've heard nothing but incredible things about Prometheus Rising. I've been planning on picking it up for a while now. Thanks for the other suggestion as well... I'll add that to my list.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE you can get prometheus off of the net for free
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Really?.. I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the info.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@natmanprime ... Sorry for kicking everybody's comments off of page 1... That took up a bit more space than I thought it would I appreciate your interest and patience... I love to try to explain my philosophy to those willing to hear it. I'm happy to answer any questions or explain anything further. Again, most of that was my opinion and was not intended to be contradictory toward any beliefs you, or anybody else might have. Thanks again.
InfinityOE 1 year ago
@InfinityOE be as condtradicory as you like, I'm not ego centric, i'm Id centric (self centred to the layman)
;)
natmanprime 1 year ago
This is great stuff. I thought it would be better tho.
Knockturnall1 2 years ago
Ha! Take some acid and watch it again...
Peace
MrDuffy81 2 years ago
Nah man, I aint with that Bullish, Non of that man made toxic chemicals. Na i mean. I only take stuff that comes From our Mother Earth.
Knockturnall1 2 years ago
LDS is derived from a fungus cultivated on rice.
That was how it was originally isolated, in a lab, and that is how it is still made, basically.
Yeah, maybe some people make dirty stuff, but I have had some amazingly clean stuff in my days.
I don't do it anymore, though.
I never liked shrooms. When you eat them, the trip is actually a poison that your body is fighting, making you trip.
I always feel tired and lathargic on shrooms.
On acid, I could lift a car.
MrDuffy81 2 years ago
what is acid? a drug?
HevyMetalSnap624 2 years ago
LSD
MrDuffy81 2 years ago
Whats LSD ?
HevyMetalSnap624 2 years ago
MDMA - hallucinogen.
Prizefyter 1 year ago
@MrDuffy81
shrooms arent poisonous. the Ld50 is nearly your own body weight.
azndude108 1 year ago
@Knockturnall1 LSD might be man made but DMT is made in your own brain. You can get it from plants too which is why I want to go to Brazil. Ayahuasca is legal there!
Sugamari 1 year ago
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@Sugamari For shure. I'm totally done with all that. The only way to really understanding this life on earth is to knowing Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ, Our Dear Lord Shepherd and Savior. All other things are Satans work. He works trough people so that they can be deceived. God Bless brother!....
Knockturnall1 1 year ago
@MrDuffy81 smoking a fat sack'll do. trust me.
plentyplus1 1 year ago 2