Fire Appliance 180 degree handbrake turn

[SuperFlamethrower1]

now thats how i want the fire brigade to turn up if i need them ;)

[silentsmokey]

someones been playing grand theft auto.

[nisb21]

now this guy has got balls!!!

[brushtraction]

bayleaf!

[Jamiewaldie1992]

lol and people say you can't do a handbrake turn in a vauxhall corsa, this proves that you can handbrake turn pretty much anything...

[cosmaximum1]

Great stuff. I wish every driver had to experience a skid pan. I've been driving for over 30 years and just a couple of times had the car skid out. I didn't crash but really missed the training. Training for skids, or potential skids, makes us better and safer drivers.

[mcgherkinstudios]

@cosmaximum1 Well said. We can all drive perfectly well when all is going right, but the skill of the driver counts when things go wrong.

[MadPropsToTheHood]

If this engine was filled with water this'd be another story.

[toofee36]

@MadPropsToTheHood

It was.1600 ltrs. We have to have the aplliance at full working weight with the movement of water included to make the driving as real as possible. Otherwise you might as well be driving a light weight truck.

[meadstuart]

they used this to train bus drivers at chiswick. when they were trained properly

[Brandan09997]

lol

[theshotgun2413]

LoL

[magneticbeacon]

lool

[hitmanbloodmoney69]

Lol

[richboy900]

Now THATS body roll

[cthulhu11111111]

this would be useful if the fire u are chasing suddenly changes direction

[BTeamHooligan]

Awesome. I was in the jumpseat of our rig when we got cut off and our engineer had to lock it up. Never forget that ride.

[koolyman]

Is this what you do when you realise you're going the wrong way? xD

[kieviet82]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  ,, COOL...

[kinkaid25]

Thats easy, i used to do that with my "TONKA TRUCK all the time when i was little. :))))

[scottmaitland999]

who let the 12 year old on the computer? .. go on.. own up..

[KFRS1]

The only reason you do this is to get a rough idea of how dangerous these fire appliances are with out the traction control on and on wet slippery days.. every one who has done an EFADS will know you would never drive like this. find something better to do with you time than commenting on a safety demonstration into how hard to handle some appliances are!

[Guitarmajster]

look at that thing wobble

[carl2017]

EFAD? We affectionally call it EFUD. E F**ks Up Dennis's!  Ah the good old days.

[Zeamus634]

Well thats one way of parking a truck!

[PaulieMac77]

ya know what i could see happening is the thing rolling on its side

[scottmaitland999]

It wouldn't roll as the tyres will lose grip before the appliance can roll. It's the braking, steering trade off.

[PaulieMac77]

no but woulda been intresting if it had of tho

[scottmaitland999]

You NEVER need to do this. A case of showing off and driving with his d**k and not his brain.

Drivers like this give us all a bad name. Do you want all service drivers to end up as bad as the police?

EFAD 8 Years, rural and urban. With NO need to drive like a lunatic and to 'see what happens'. Nonsense....

[toofee36]

I agree. You would NEVER do this on the street. HOWEVER, the skid is being done here to show the driver what would could happen if they lost control and was unable to bring it back under control. It reminds the driver that they should never drive above their ability. It was also done on a POLICE driver training skid pan. Notice the words SKID & PAN. Its kind of the idea so it is done in a controlled enviroment. I NEVER drive like a lunatic as I have the public and my crews' lives in my hands.

[scottmaitland999]

So we should drive into a brick wall to show what COULD happen if we don't brake?

Nonsense.

I have also done skid control training. Don't remember sliding the appliance around for fun.

I remember how NOT to get to that point in the first place.

[Photobyke]

If you have done skid control training, then that meant that you skidded. While you are correct that you shouldn't get into that situation in the first place, it is useful to know how to get out of it should it happen. It does happen, because, seemingly unlike you, other people are not infallable and make mistakes.

I've done much training on how to get my aircraft out of a stall induced spin. The trick is not to get there in the first place. But it can happen. Taining to the same ends. Nonsense?

[yamahonkawazuki]

@toofee36 trolls never read descriptions lol. always wanted to see what ahppens when this did. err a handbrake skid. yall pulled this off 100% imho. woner if it were try would /could the truck have flipped?

[omardude39]

@toofee36 Kudos to your well-metered response here. I think it should've been apparent without even the caption what the context of this was, but regardless you explained it to the original commenter.

[Photobyke]

What do you mean "as bad as the police?" The police have far more call outs than the ambulance service and the fire brigade put together, so it goes without saying that the police will have far more accidents. Plus, ambulances and fire tenders don't generally pursue other vehicles.

This is also a controlled environment. Your comment shows an obvious lack of thought, especially as EFAD instructor courses involve skid control training such as shown in the video.

[scottmaitland999]

Because they have more turnouts that means they MUST have more accidents?

Your logic is flawed. There is no such thing as an accident anyway. Only collisions caused by poor driving.

So therefore the police have a poorer standard of driver training.

The fact they are pursuing vehicles is also irrelevant. This is exactly why they should be better drivers and have FEWER collisions. Not more!

[Photobyke]

OK. I'll put it another way. If I drive 5 times more often than you and I am on the road for 5 times longer than you, than the risk of me being in an accident is far greater. The same as if I fly 5 times more often than you - I am more likely to be involved in an air crash. How is this logic in anyway flawed?

[Photobyke]

So, a higher volume of police cars than the other 2 emergency services put together.

Far more frequent call outs and blue light runs.

More police driver personnel through different levels of driver experience.

Higher frequency of fast response driving, often one shout after the other,and often resuting in violence at the destination.

Pursuits with running commentary.

All these factors make the risk of having an accident more likely.

Show me the data where police have more accidents per officer.

[scottmaitland999]

I don't understand why you assume that because they drive fast on blue lights, they MUST have collisions? And what relevance does the type of incident have to their driving?

I'd love to show you the data, it is contained in Home Office reports which are available to the services.

Incidentally, are you an EFAD or response driver?

[Photobyke]

I don't assume that they must have collisions, I am saying that because of the type of work that the patrol cars are used in, and the amount of time that each patrol car stays on the streets, they are MORE LIKELY to have collisions.

Also, don't forget that not every police officer is pursuit/response trained. Many only hold a driving licence and use the cars for enquries only, and are just as likely as Joe public to have an accident.

CONT....

[Photobyke]

.......Compare this to EFAD, where every driver must be trained to operate the vehicle.

Also, Ambo's and EFADs are a bigger target and more easily seen. There are so many variables that the blanket statement that police are worse drivers is purely baseless, and this conclusion cannot be drawn without breaking down the statistics.

I was a class 1 pursuit and response driver before I buggered off abroad. My father is an EFADS and I have due respect for all who drive, regardless of their service.

[urbex2007]

firefighters are better drivers than police. the police race and put people in danger. their standard of driving is very poor, the same for paramedics. I have never seen any accidents with fire engines or people being killed in my area, but plenty of careless driving elsewhere. firefighters are more skilled, and set out to save people. i think they do a great job.

[jonabong55]

firefighters and paramedics basically go hand in hand.

[GlennTheRussian]

In canada and probably u.s. Fire department is there for almost any emergency and is usually the first one on the scene.

[MagMag123]

Firefighters drive bigger vehicles with more lights and generally more noticeable. It's alot easier to see a giant red/yellow truck bearing down on you than a car or an ambulance that is at the same height as civilian vehicles. Another reason why firefighters get into less accidents is because they respond to much fewer calls per shift. Cops get dozens of calls and jobs per shift, paramedics get at least a dozen while firefighters may only get two or three, max.

[fireslash27]

Two or three max? Got a real expert here. And cops do not run lights and sirens near as much as the FD does. Almost all FD call outs are code 3 responses, no so for the PD.

[MagMag123]

@fireslash27 Cops run lights and sirens for everything and anything. I've seen cruisers go through red lights to get coffee on the other side of an intersection. And by two or three, I'm talking about calls to an actual fire, not anonymous calls that all three services respond to, or for paramedic lift assists.

I'm talking about Ontario, Canada here, not familiar with the demand for services in other countries.

[joelwhitaker]

@MagMag123 not so in London....Soho fire station for example.....5000+ calls a year.....busy busy bsuy...but i see what you mean

[CarpMagic95]

in your area? lol you comment is about all yes and i can tell you now considering the training for a police driver and btw to have a pursuit they need to be pursuit trained is far higher than that of a firefighter its abit silly to say police are worse drivers. Considering the times police have to drive fast is probably very much due to pursuits then obviously the ratio is going to be in favour of the firefighter. They are not better drivers at all, what a stupid comment.

[icelez]

watch?v=G3uoVOOlT2s

[8nowt]

i dont know about that, in 2009 i saw an appiance on the A1 heading south towards M18 that ran into the back of a lorry with an overhanging load of steel. load of damage to the cab, just hope the firefighters were all ok

[THEganjamatt]

@scottmaitland999 Shut up you wining do gooder wanker bag... It's called FUN! Try it sometime you miserable funt!

[OmniPresent]

@scottmaitland999 Yah need to read before going on your crazy rants ;)

[DvvdJD]

@scottmaitland999 - It's a training exercise you idiot. Read the description...

[TopTap09]

@scottmaitland999 get a life

[jmjw8211]

why would you need to no who to do this? for a police car style responce?

[toofee36]

We would never need to do this out on the real streets. It was done just to train the driver what the appliance would do in the event of a skid. This is what happens if the skid is not brought under control.

[LegacyZXT]

Now I know something new, thank you and that makes sense.

[jmjw8211]

ah fair enough! well its nicely done, thanx for that

[LegacyZXT]

That's cool for something like a 2+ ton vehicle. Not to bash, but my Chevy van is half that size. A basic American fire truck is at least twice that long and a ladder truck is a good 50ft. How come everything is smaller in Europe? I guess you all have less space. Nice skills. Most can't do that is a pickup or a car for that matter.

[toofee36]

The average Fire Appliance in Kent are 20-30ft long and weigh from 12 tons up to 18+ tons. Our Aerial Appliances (Hydraulic ladders, platform/cage on a ladder boom etc,) are even bigger. They are designed to be drivable down small sometimes narrow local streets not just long, wide main routes.

[DKy0]

@LegacyZXT Clearly you've never been to an English village.

[Aztex89]

@LegacyZXT We dont got less space except maybe GB. Since we europeans dont need everything to be so huge. Since it saves space, enviroment and other things.

[amber5884]

that was a good handbrake dude  .

[Cantfindusername100]

now do some doughnuts!!

[robertgift]

As a Worst Responder performing patient care in my fire department's ambulance, Friday morning our paramedic inoculated me with the H1N1 vaccine.

So far, no symptoms of any problems.

Not even pain at the site of the left deltoid intramuscular injection!

So that strathpol/Kraig00 can understand:

I got a flu shot in my left arm.

Everyone in EMS should get this inoculation.

Injection or nasal mist.

[FleetAdmiralWildstar]

Holy Shit!! Das ist ja geil!!!

[CallyWallyPuddinPop]

Kent Water Fairies always were the best :D

[EmergencyWales]

water fairys :L

[CallyWallyPuddinPop]

Yah, thats what we call them in London anyway. They zap fire with their water wands and they don't come out at night

[lmsasquatch]

Now that takes talent!!

[andyveccyv6]

nice handling,had very good EFAD (EXTREMLEY FAST AND DANGEROUS) training.these guys save lives and deserve respect.got a few mates in manchester fire service

[NicoF112]

geil

[jcsoldier2000]

dat was sweeet!

[moviesunrated]

Do you ever need to do this when on a call? Guessing by a reply you said I dont suppose you do, I've never seen this before lol.

[pezzza16]

I think its part of EFAD learing to control the vehicle in wet weather?

[siberiabear]

NICE SKID

[dzanicjasmin]

I remember that we too learend such manouvers in case you quickly needed to turn around.

[joelwhitaker]

Skillage!!!!

[miraget3549]

Boss man ..to you that dropped the line on the brakes good driving.

Everyone here is going to have a bloody opinion and say don't do it. When was the last time any of you drove a scania or leyland full of water and hit an oil slick or dry grit on the road. stupse....all of you ppl are Colin Mccrae RIP until we give you johnnnies the wheel.... Good driving and nice on not over correcting the turn...

[toofee36]

This "stunt" was done in a controlled area called a "skid pan" during driver training. We were driving a Fire Appliance used soley for the purpose of driver traing. We were simulating the appliance going into a skid and practicing how to bring it under control. This skid was obviously us showing how it was not to be done! Nobody is getting fired!

[so600]

This is NOT a stunt, i wish people would read the narrative that accompanies the videos on youtube, If so you would see "driver training" and "simulating a skid". it is done to prepare emergency drivers for the real thing, answering calls.

[robertgift]

I read the narative.

Yes, this is a typical skid pan on a training course.

Why anyone would ever subject an apparatus to a 180 degree hand brake trick was my original complaint.

I did not know this is a practice rig and it was just for fun.

(You should have spun it into a parking space!)

[Kraig00]

Robert your so full of shit, your not even part of any fire dept and your a loner who can only wish he could be part of any emergancy service.

[robertgift]

My chief and officers would agree!

If one were to operate an "appliance" in such a manner as to necessitate such a maneuever, one would no longer be driving.

Our tower apparatus would likely tip over.

Same with our 2,500 gallon Tender (tank truck)

Our ambulance is somewhat top heavy - like Kraig's sister.

[strathpol]

Oh how fuckin dare you, idiot. I don't have a sister but my point is still correct - you can only dream about being part of the fire dept so you can ride in the big red truck with the flashing lights. Retard.

Oh, and your mothers personal hygine is a serious cause for concern.

[robertgift]

strathpol and Kraig00 are the same user?

I wish there were figures indicating how top heavy our various apparatus are.

My department's Tower is probably highest CG.

Next would be 2,500 gallon Tender.

Spelled hygiene.

Good one! I was my mother's 9 month infection.

When I look up 'fire retardant', why does my photo appear?

[strathpol]

Stop talking - you're a complete idiot who needs to "wake up and smell the coffee" - seriously, get out more..

[robertgift]

Almost complete - still working on it.

Can't get out - I'm on shift until 0700 hrs.

That engine must have been mostly empty. No water, wet surface.

[strathpol]

Lmao, you wish,

Retarted idiot.

[robertgift]

Spelled retarded.

Go back and take 4th grade again.

[toofee36]

Actually it was full, as the appliance would behave very differently without water on board.

[robertgift]

Seems the water would RAISE the CG (Center of gravity) and increase chance of tip over.

I have faulted apparatus makers with not placing the water tank lower by making it longer and dropping it between the frame - it would have same capacity but lower CG.

Our very tall 2,500 gallon Tender has a high CG. (Fun feeling the water shoving it forward when applying brakes.)

[firefighter1588]

get over yourself so600

[so600]

my response was to robertgift, who seemed to ask the necessity of this skid, if you read the text you will see i was DEFENDING the fire appliance driver...so whats to get over???

[dsfrs112]

your screwd if you do that in an ss or rs lol,awsome video mate

[tomtomspace]

freaking awesome

[andythesloth]

so thats why our council taxes are always goin up to fund new back rubber for our boys in blue, oh well for vids like this its worth it :D

[toofee36]

Ha Ha!! Thanks mate... made me laugh.

[markthebusman]

Must try that in my '79 Dennis RS sometime! :-D

[mlps93]

Nice one!

Dennis Sabre?

[toofee36]

Yes mate...

[mlps93]

Thanks.

[apwh1]

lol

good handling

[youngnid]

nice handling mate