Please can the intellectually challenged, who do not have a clue and who're missing the bigger picture here, kindly not post their ridiculous, pathetic anti semitic comments and keep them for another site, as this is where the grown ups exchange dialogue on topics of discussion, you would otherwise find unintelligible. Yours Thankfully ...one of Yahweh's own!
The future's bright ..the future's Christ the light, the way, the truth.NO ONE comes to the father, except through him. Former Christian, I doubt it, he wouldn't have denied Christ otherwise!
babies in paradise! praying! yet cant speak ? and where is allahs justice when one person lives for 90 yrs as a test and a baby lives 3 months and goes to paradise and doesnt understand speach? whats the purpose of the test ?
Sir, hearing u speak on the BIG Bang Theory was very enlightening and also logical. Who said that I can't carry the burden of another person. Normally if I see any person struggling to carry some heavy weight I go and help them. If it is a very old or sick person I myself carry it. When I do this I feel happy within myself and also enjoy seeing the smile of the other person. If I can be merciful I can imagine the immense Love of my saviour Jesus Christ who has come to bear my sins(every sin)
Original Sin interpretation - See "Fall of Man". It was an illicit relationship between Lucifer and Eve and then Eve selfishness taken from Lucifer pass it to Adam. Adam should have said Lord I have sin, I let myself be fooled against Your word and take responsibility, but he blamed God instead because he said the woman You gave to be with me.
SowrdofManticorE u still didnt answer my question:- So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell? Is this justice?
u said that Muslims will go to hell for not beleiving in Jesus! u wrong Muslims do beleive in Jesus as a prophet.
Yusuf, for those who do good and bad, it is said by Paul what happens in 1Corithians 3:10-15, and as who will be in paradice read 1Timothy 4:9-10.
God knew what would happen in the garden and He allows the serpent to enter it to do what it was made for. We did inherit sin from Adam, but it is Christ Yahushua that changes that for all mankind (muslims as well), Romans 5:18-19.
@SwordofManticorE your very Knowledgeable fellow servant of YHWH in Christ. Yes the serpent spoke and deceived Eve/Adam into 'sin', sin is destroyed/punished by death(eternal) But Yehushua took our punishment(death) at Calvary; It was our sin that killed Him and because He was sinless He was resurrected back to life(eternal). He condemned sin and defeated death..and this is why He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. The alternative is eternal death! (hell-the grave) Jesus=eternal life
@smokeybirdman Thank you sir, but there is no alternitive as the plan of God has been set in motion. Christ's death cleaned all men of sin. The proof is in the vision of Peter in Acts 10. Verse 15 tells us that God has cleaned all mankind of sin past, present and future.
As we did inherit death from Adam, that changed with the death of Christ, as all men were made justified by it. This is God's plan.
As for babies being born sinnless, read Psalms 51:5
@clean3 The serpent was allowed to do what it was made for. To decieve Eve, who will aid Adam to sin against God. This will bring mankind into darkness (death). There is a purpose for this, and it is God's purpose. Why did our loving Father bring His creation to darkness? Let me ask you this, who is more gratefull for being wealthy, a self made millionair who was born poor, or a child born into wealth?
Whoever came up with the idea of the original sin (read Romans/pagans) just wanted to live without being responsible for their own deeds. They wanted to SIN all their lives and easily pass it off saying some1 else has paid for it. I cant imagine a society with that doctrine . It would ruin the world , let alone heaven.
Okay somebody explain something to me. If no sacrifice is needed to allow sinners in Heaven according to Islam the why does Allah who is supposedly Most Merciful allow everyone in Heaven? I mean it looks likes to me that he's allowing sinners to go to Heaven which shows his mercy is not limited by his Justice so why doesn't he allow everyone to go to Heaven? Btw I'm a Christian
@africanboybkman b/c if u cant using God given mind/intelligence can't figure out God is the only 1 deserved to be worshipped then y shud he give u heaven.
Even muslim's chances of going to heaven are kinda low. This doesn't mean God is merciless.God will only hold u accountable for the sins u did.Which is called being Just. The mercy is wen v will be sent to heaven b/c trust me no 1 wants to stay in hell forever.
@younib100 That doesnt rlly answer my question. Muslims are sinners to. And according to the quran they are going to Heaven. If no one has to pay for their sins why doesnt he let all people in Heaven. I mean he is Most Merciful. ANd it seems justice is not a problem so................ why doesnt he?
@africanboybkman yes they will go to heaven AFTER they have been punished in hell. u knw knda like a criminal that goes to jail.gets punished & then *released*.
we'll pay for our own sins mate by spending time in hell. We'll be punished to the extent of OUR own sins alone b/c if u read the quran u'll notice that God's greatest mercy is that v won't stay in hell forever
ofc no 1 is a saint BUT if a child that dies at birth or before puberty he/she will go to heaven b/c they are innocent.
@africanboyb no.God ceases to be God IF he goes back on his word & fortunately God unlike us doesnt go back on his words
infinite punishhment is when u purposely want God to punish u indefinitely. & the best way is do shirk [worship something else] & don't repent until death
even shirk the highest form of sin is forgivable IF u ask forgiveness & don't repeat it again[aka reverting to Islam that doubles the chances of going to heaven] Other sins will be forgiven through ur good deeds
@younib100 Okay so tell me who goes to Hell. I mean why cant your God shed mercy on all. I mean he is most merciful. And it seems like there is no price for sin.
@africanboybkman Why can't God shed mercy on all? Why can't you believe in God? Its simple as hell really, you believe in God and do as he tells you and you get your mercy as deserved.
No price for sin? Don't make me laugh, I don't know about your or other religions but Islam is highly strict on major sins. Try finding out the truth about something for a change, might open up your mind a bit.
@born2rock92 Major sins? Umm okay lets say this. We've alll sinned before. Doesnt that make us sinners? If we are still sinners are we good or evil? What is the price for those sins we commited? SO lets say right now that I become a muslim with all my sins such as hate, greed, lust, fornication etc etc. am I forgiven without no price being paid? If thats the case then why does anybody go to Hell. If there is no price being paid then why will people be paying a price in Hell?
@africanboybkman yes IF u really become a muslim u'll b clean b like a new born baby & ur chances of entering heaven will be double.Converts have more importance in Islam as opposed to normal muslims, U knw y
mate there is a difference between major sins & minor sins. Minor sins can get *removed* by doing good deeds. Major sins can also be removed if u 'more' good deeds for eg if I steal its a sin but due to conscious I feel its wrong & return the thing back to its owner. I'll be forgiven.
@younib100 SO our sins against an infinitely worthy God can be bought off with our good deeds? And if good deeds pay for our infinitely worthy sins why is there a Hell? Man this Islam thing is not making any sense
@africanboyb hell is there for the sins ur good deeds wont be able to remove mate & for those ppl whose bad deeds out weigh the good deeds xD
or those ppl they will be punished for the amount of bad deeds done & THEN heaven which unfortunately will not happen wid today's muslims as far as I can say.
its simple. More bad than Good. hell were u'll be purified. more good that bad - Heaven
many ppl do more bad deeds than Good of which many are aware I guess
@africanboybkman "SO lets say right now that I become a muslim with all my sins such as hate, greed, lust, fornication etc etc. am I forgiven without no price being paid?"
^Seriously? That's honestly laughable. If you do that, then how the hell are you "becoming a muslim", rofl? You're not following what Islam's telling you, hence you're not becoming a muslim. Mediocre logic this, good sir.
@africanboybkman You mean you sinned while in your previous belief, and now you're gonna convert to Islam? My point still stays, now that you're converting to Islam and following what it says, you know that all of those are sins not to be done, you're sorry for them and sincerely repent. God is merciful, remember? x) Long as your repentance is sincere that is, mind you, not sinning desperately and then 'repenting', that's not sincerity. I guess my point's clear enough now.
@africanboybkman yes in Islam u'll be forgiven for everything b/c u did those as sins as a non muslim. even as a muslim u need to do things to make sure u dont do sins again otherwise anybody can claim to be muslim.
@africa ever heard of peace coming to u on its own ?? U need to work to get peace. same way work ur way up to get God's mercy.
Again u want God's mercy ?? At least do some effort to learn about Islam.U'll understand how merciful is God in Islam as u progress. God helps those who wants to be helped. Take the first step & God will guide thats mercy.
if ur not interested y shud God be ?
by mercy u mean everbody becoming muslims by God's will.Yes it's possible but it will go against the test.
@younib100 Y call it mercy if you have to work for it? I dont get it. He says he's most merciful so y doesnt he shed mercy on all? If he's gonna claim most merciful he needs to be it. If you're working for grace then its not grace. You cant work for grace cuz if you do its no longer grace.
@africanboybkman No pain no gain :) as simple as it is.Doesnt mean u'll have to torture urself.How hard is it to learn about a religion ? Man your just being lazy.If really want God's mercy u'll feel it automatically if u do enough effort U can work for grace mate He says he's most merciful so y doesnt he shed mercy on all? simple. wats the point of being perfect muslims in a imperfect world ? It will be like paradise which is against the test
@younib100 Test? WHy does God test people. If he's all knowing. And no Im not being lazy its just that your analogy makes no sense. Problem is with you. You dont see how heinous and bad your sins are. SO you categorize them as minor and major so you still feel like you're not that bad. Your sins all of them are against an infinite worthy God. SO they are as heinous as you can get. You can't work to get yourself clean. Your sins are still there u cant get em off with good works.
@africanboybkman b/c if u think u can have a perfect life wid all the money/success in the world & then die thinkin 'i've lived a good enough life' U have a surprise coming.
nothing but God is infinite. mate even the universe will come to a end.To think that life was 'chance' in some unknown part of the universe & got finished just for the heck of it ..... I don't think so :)
@africanbo our sins are still there u cant get em off with good works.
Who told u ?
desrespecting parents is major sin it can removed if I ask my parents to forgive me or do khidmat aka like being obdient to them to the point they forgive me.
Doesn mean my parents are God only means as a God fearing/loving muslim I knw wat how bad it is to do these sins
Sins get erased mate by good deeds BUT if u do tooooo many bad deeds over good then hell it is ONLY to the extent of sins then heaven
@younib100 But isnt there a punishment for the sin. Isnt there a price that must be paid if we commit a crime against a Great Holy, Infinite, Loving God? Isnt there any atonement for the Infinite crime against Him who his greater than the universe. Shouldn't a price be paid for such great crimes against God.
@africanboybkman yes.We'll pay the 'price' by being punished in hell for our sins.I'll be punished in hell for my sins alone. mate a day in hell is almost like 50 yrs. Ok so even the 'limited' time in hell will be kinda like eternity.Plus repentance is not a easy thing in Islam most ppl do't even feel guilt wen they do sins
infinite punishment is for those who'll fail to come up wid reasons to deny God b/c God already gave u the required things to realize his existence. 'intelligence'
@younib100 But the sins are infinite. Agree? SO if the sins are infinite shouldn't the punishment also be infinite. Shouldn't God serve justice and give us the punishment we deserve? Kinda like eternity? Eternity is the nonexistence of time. SO in other words if there's no time then Hell is forever. And the punishment lasts forever. ALl I'm saying is since we all have infinitely worth sins shouldn't we all deserve infinite Hell?
@ sins are infinite ??? life itself is finite. Even the most cruelest of barbarians wud have commited at least 1 good deed in his life.
eternity punishment is for those who die as unbelievers including muslims. Saying I m muslim is not enough.U need to do stuff [good deeds] to strengthen ur claim of being muslim
i did 100 bad deeds & 150 good deeds. my 50 deeds will save me from hell.
i did 100 bad deeds & 80 good deeds. I'll be punished for 20 extra bad deeds in hell then sent to heaven
@younib100 Let me give u an example. I kill a roach should I go to jail? No
I kill a man should I go to jail? Yes. I commit a crime against an infinitely worthy God should I suffer an infinite punishment? Yes. Why is eternity punishment for those who die believers? As you said life is finite. WHat you need to understand is that a sin is not some small little crime that we make. It a great Heinous crime we commit against an INfinite Holy good God.
@africanboybkman b/c as u follow Islam ur sins will gradually be forgiven. In Islam even a thing as small as good intentioned smile can be a good deed whereas a deed as disrespecting parents is equivalent murder.
U give charity it'll eventually kill ur selfishness. Your greed will be finished & hence ur chances of doin bad deeds related to wealth decreases.
The *worst* sin a man can do is deny God even then it wont matter to God as long as ur living.b/c wen u die the real deal begins.
@younib100 Okay but you're not answering my question. Dont I deserve a punishment for my heinous crimes. If I'm being forgiven for my sins gradually. Then who's taking the punishment for those sins Im being forgiven of?
@africanboybkman who told u ur sins will be forgiven the instant u do a good deed. God decides that
If I'm being forgiven for my sins gradually One lifetime MIGHT not be enough if the bad deeds u've done are many
u'll pay for ur own bad deeds. once u've been punished for ur bad deeds in hell u'll be *purified* i.e the sins as a muslim u did will be 'paid' for by spending time in hell which is equally painful for non muslims. God knws how much time u'll need to spend in hell for ur sins
@younib100 SO you're saying God has to put me in Hell to purify us. SO doesnt that mean practically everyone's goign to Hell? Hmmmm You know what. Jesus is the way. The God of the bible makes more sense. We're all sinners against an infinite God. So we deserve Hell. But God sent His Son Jesus to die for our sins that we may receive just mercy. All men are sinners and God sent His Son Jesus to sanctify us so we wont even have to see Hell. ANd becuz he defeated death and sin those who come to him
@africanboybkman who told u ur goin to hell ?? have u been judged by God already & now reborn ??
u can't understand the basic concept of 'standing up for ur own actions' & then want jesus [pbuh] to pay the price ?? I call this cowardice mate.
Y shud I let jesus [pbuh] pay the price for MY sins. Adam [pbuh] & Eve [pbuh] paid for sin by getting 'thrown' from paradise but then they repented & got forgiven.
@younib100 No you're he one who's not seeing straight. Because you dont see sin for what it really is. You think your your good deeds can make up for the heinous crimes we commit against God. You're foolish for thinking you can pay for your own sins. That's what I like to call pride. Relying on yourself to pay the price. Plus by ur religion. You say that we all pay for our sins by going to Hell. That means both of us will see Hell if you're telling the truth. Thats not rlly mercy.
@africanboybkman wat crime did I do wen Adam [pbhu] disobeyed God :) wat crime did I do for which jesus [pbuh] had to die ONE death for the sins of millions of ppl. thats wat ur saying which is crazy. death is the passage to the afterlife not some thing to be scared of.
sin is going against God & good deed is the remedy b/c u were the 1 who did the bad deed. mate again Y shud I let Jesus [pbuh] take the fall ???
@africanboybkman mate stand up for the actions which u did & stop playing the 'jesus [pbuh] died for our sins' thing. Reality is every1 is responsible for his/her actions. on judgment day god will judge u for ur deeds & not some1 elses.
were u there wen Adam [pbiuh] got punished. If u were there then WoW if not then don't take the mistake of Adam [pbuh] upon urself or for that matter jesus [pbuh]. He told ppl to worship God. which u aint doin either :)
@younib100 In the cristian belief. Jesus is infinite so he was able to pay for the infinite punishment we deserved. Im gonna send you a video I want you to watch it
@africanboybkman i m gnna ask u to read bible wid a open mind & pray u understand the differences between jesus [pbuh]'s words & men's words :) Jesus [pbuh] said the same thing as Moses [pbuh] Nuh [pbuh] Mohammad [pbuh] wirship 1 God alone.
@younib100 I am worshipping one God. Oh are you gonna use the whole 3 Gods nonsense. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and The Father is God in three forms. One God in three forms.
@africanboybkman mate 1 death for countless sins of past & for wat so that ppl can doubt jesus [pbuh]'s existence today ?? seriously ? use common sense jesus [pbuh] will return but as a prophet/messiah who'll clarify all misunderstandings
@younib100 "Through 1 man sin to the world. And through 1 man will sin be paid for". See the amazing justice of God. His son who was the only innocent one died for all the sins of man.
@africanboybkman ahan :) 1 man sin ?? in bible eve was responsble was the sin right ? she encouraged Adam [pbuh] to eat the fruit which is y pregnancy is viewed as 'punishment' for women :)
1 innocent man ?? God's son a man ?? Adam was the fist man & Jesus [pbuh] was not innocent according to the bible :)
@younib100 Ummm Yes he was innocent according to the bible. Remember when those men were about to stone that woman for adultery. And Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" And then everyone left except Jesus. Remember the conversation with certain ruler. Ruler said "Good master how do I inherit eternal life" Jesus says "WHy dost thou call me good there's no one good except God" Then Jesus a few verses down calls himself the Good shepherd. Implying that he's God.
@younib100 And btw you've made the mistake Adam made also just like all humans that live. You've sinned. You gotta teach a child to lie? Gotta teach a child to be self centered? You gotta be a child to be selfish? No. Let a child go with no discipline and see what you get. Let them live only by their nature and see what they become.
@africanboybkman if u go by the thinking that as a muslim * i'll be eventually forgiven* then 1 day in hell is more than enough for u to realize that u were wrong b/c God decides how much time u need to spend in hell plus sins like Shirk are forgivable WHEN u repent for it before dying otherwise its eternal hell.
@africanboybkman who are u to say u did infinite sins ?? ur life is limited & so are ur deeds. good & bad will be judged by Allah
mate punishment in hell even for a limited time is like eternity b/c time in heaven is different than time over here. so be assured the 'just' punishment u seek will be there for bad muslims too for a time soooo long it will seem like forever unless until we've been punished for our sins. 'period' in hell will be up to Allah
@younib100 But the sins are not against life the sins are against God. Gos is infinite correct? Crimes against an infinite God deserve an infinite punishment. Well that is if you God is just. And umm eternity never ends. Because there's a lack of time. And doesnt your Quran say that people under 40 who die go to a lower Heaven? So if I died a serial killer will I avoid Hell cuz of my age? Tbh Islam doesnt sound legit. The God of Islam doesnt sound legit. No offense.
@africanboybkman also those will be forgiven that havent received a warner/messenger OR havent received Mohammad's message. so in today's age it is highly unlikely no 1 will have heard of Islam b/c frankly this terrorism is kinda like a advertisement.
plus those ppl who learn about islam & FEEL its the truth they except it. those who still need convincing need to accept one thing at least Islam is world's apart from wat the common media portrays.
[ KJV ]-[ Matthew:26:39 ]-[ And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ] »»» Jesus PRAYED like Muslims PRAY ... you Christians dont even know your own bible
the muslim person says that the son doesnt bear the iniquity of the father. in other words the son doesnt get punished for sin of father. thus original sin is false. tell me then, why do babies suffer for the sins of their mother???if she gets hepatitis from drug abuse she will pass it to her child in the womb, this child isnt born innocent. this child is condemned with a disease because of something the parent did. just like we are prone to sin/death because of what adam/eve did.
@smokeybirdman so it means women who cant get pregnant are blessed ladies b/c they won't have to give birth to children & go through labour. Sheesh wat weird logic u guys have. this kind of stuff degrades mothers u knw
@smokeybirdman - i pose this one qn to u. if u truly believe tt u are the result n bearer of ur parents' actions then why do u make ur own choices in life? if ur parents commit a crime (God forbid), are YOU gg to go to jail in their place? what they do is their business n its got nth to do w u. u lead ur own life. u are brought into this world of time & consequence to be tested of ur gratefulness n conduct. n on tt Day of Judgment u will account for tt own life u led.
@smokeybirdman so your saying if I don't wash my hands and I give my child a cold he has inherited my sin and is now condemned. I could be wrong but I don't ever remember seeing that in the bible
@smokeybirdman don't mix a medical condition with something spiritual. If your father murdered or stole from someone someone, he is responsible not you. This true in the eyes of God but also in the eyes of the human law. This is the essence of the Islamic view, which is the Devine view.
if children are born innocent why can they die? if we dont inherit original sin then why are babies born with disability/disease! if original sin is a myth then why does everyone sin/die? its sooooooo obviouse its true! death started with adam and we inherit human nature.....a nature prone to sin/death.
@smokeybirdman You are asking questions about death of babies and disease and so on that ARE OUTSIDE YOUR UNDERSTANDING. You do not need to know what God has planned for everyone. What happens when u dont follow the manual of a creation? it will malfunction. If you dont follow the manual of humans they may get disease and illness. Forbidden things like alcohol, smoking, sodomy, eating swine (which is in bible too). What kind of God would we have if he punished a newly born innocent soul??
@smokeybirdman Diseases & Death are created by God. It seems that u r mixing things up. Do u have the choice wheather to die or not? ofcourse u dont have a choice. Do u have the choice to avoid doing bad things such drugs, adultry..ect? ofcourse u do.
Do u have the choice if u r born with a disability? ofcourse u dont. So tell me why would a child inherit his parents sins where they had a choice of avoiding the sins?
when a child born with disability his/her parent has no choice.
@echo2006able ok if babies dont inherit the stain of adams sin and are nice innocent beautiful things....why did Allah 'choose' to punish the world for sin with a 'flood'!!! a method of punishment that destroys even 'innocent' babies. Is Allah unjust or just? may you decide wisely
@smokeybirdman At the time of the flood all the children were on board in the big ship made by Noha(pbuh). Have u ever thoght about all the good things granted by Allah to us such us the blessing of being able to breath, see, listen,eat countless blessings & u still wheather Allah is Justice or not? So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?Is that justice?May Allah guide u to the right path.
@echo2006able A christian is always happy of the blessings given to him by his Father everyday, but as to your view of sin, inheritance and hell in the Christian faith today is not far off. The problem with Christianity today, is that we all believe in differernt doctrines. There is no unity in doctrine, and why? Very few of us can read Hebrew and Greek! Our english translations or versions are so inaccurate that we have adapted our own interpretation of God's Word and made new doctrines!
@echo2006able Continue... For example, most Christians believe that when they die, they go to heaven while you muslims go to hell for not believing in Christ. I believe 80% that when we all die, we sleep in our graves only to be reserrected on the choosen day for all to be judged rightouse (including muslims). There is a Lake of Fire, but it is not the hell that most Christians believe it to be (Heb 12:29). Hell as most believe it to be dose not exist, but is a pagan germanic creation (hel).
@echo2006able Finally...Would a merciful, loving and just Father allow His creation to burn forever in a literal enfernal to be tormented by demons? If we are created in God's image, then why do we not do the same to our prisoners who commit terrible crimes? Are we as children more just than our all loving and merciful Father in heaven? No! Job 4:17. We did inherit the sin of Adam (disobience), but it was Christ obidience that made us all just in God's eyes 1Cor 15:22 and Rom 5:18-19. Peace
@SwordofManticorE u still didnt answer my question:- So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?is this justice?
@SwordofManticorE SowrdofManticorE u still didnt answer my question:- So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell? Is this justice?
u said that Muslims will go to hell for not beleiving in Jesus! u wrong Muslims do beleive in Jesus as a prophet.
@smokeybirdman If a person sins or not they die anyway. We inherit disabilities/diseases because of how the creator made our DNA not because of an ancestors actions.
@Gothbdsm NO! it already has been affected long ago by what Adam/Eve did. Their action introduced sin/death. Previousley they were innocent and neither mortal or immortal..but they became mortal when they sinned. Their new nature was now sinful and condemned to death. We as their descendants inherit this 'nature' that is mortal and 'prone' to sin and finally die. With death comes disease and aging because of our mortal nature.
@smokeybirdman Animals age and get disease. Did they eat forbidden fruit too?
Humans do not inherit nature from actions. The act on inherited nature. Therefore Adam, Eve and humans would act sinful because they were programed that way.
@Gothbdsm even if it means saving you and your children. Reality check. sin is rewarded with death(extinction) thats what God thinks about it. He backs it up by His death as man for us! your call...appreciate and accept or rot in the grave.
@Gothbdsm it wasnt meant to be 'fearmongering' something that is common to religion eg obey or suffer/burn in hell etc. I just stated facts as I understand them ie Jesus offers eternal life, otherwise we die and rot in the grave(cemetry) salam :)
hi yusuf estes, i know u r a former christian , the answers u give is not acceptable and satisfied, i think u must have sound knowledge on quran,......eternal lake of fire is waitin for u after death yusf. Dont blame jesus if u go to hell................
hi yusuf estes, i know u r a former christian , the answers u give is not acceptable and satisfied, i think u must have sound knowledge on quran,,, any way u rejected lord jesus and turned to islam......eternal lake of fire is waitin for u after death yusf. Dont blame jesus if u go to hell................
bismillah, griptick u need to chill out on ur comments wit all the cussing and stuff. First of all those cussing words u put out here just tells everybody that ur just a tool that cant accept the truth. And what ur saying does not make sense at all. i pray to Allah to help you and give u guidence.
the one thing that ever fucking muslim has in common is their complete lack of knowledge on the Bible and what it says. They are brain washed into believing that Jesus never said he was God, they have no fucking clue who Elijah is (the prophetic "Jewish king" in islam who is said to come and rule over the Jews in the future) and they dont even know the accurate history of their OWN religion nor do they have any clue why they worship the moon.
the one thing that ever fucking muslim has in common is their complete lack of knowledge on the Bible and what it says. They are brain washed into believing that Jesus never said he was God, they have no fucking clue who Elijah is (the prophetic "Jewish king" in islam who is said to come and rule over the Jews in the future) and they dont even know the accurate history of their OWN religion nor do they have any clue why they worship the moon.
@TravelerSinbdad You are a complete fool. Jesus took the SIn of the world. You have to ACCEPT him for it to be redeemed. Muslims are just a bunch of self hating child and innocent murdering dirt bags. Go pray to Muhammad(shit be upon him) who was a child molester.
If muhammad were alive today he would be in jail and would have the lowest cast in all of the criminal rankings.
@griptick Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him was the greatest man that ever lived. Type in the youtube search engine - `Muhammad the most influential single person` - and be prepared to learn something new. He was gracious, humble, sincere, compassionate, charitable and extremely selfless...his diet consisted of dates and water. So when you put this man down...it only shows how ignorant you are.
@ArabianGirrl you neglegcted to mention that he was child molester. If he lived today he would be in prison and be getting his ass raped on a regular basis.
This idiot doesnt have a clue what the Bible says or about original sin and doesnt even mention the knowledge of good and evil, thus completely failing on the entire topic.
Mr "griptick" ,this"idiot" is a former christian "minister" from TEXAS who doesnt have a clue what the Bible says or about original sin,,,,could you please help him to understand it better?
i already mentioned it and its not hard to understand. If he was a minister and he still doesnt get it then hes just to fucking stupid to get it at all i guess.
@griptick without any offence , would you please quote the verse in the Bible to proof what you say instead of just arguing and please mention which Bible you are using as unfortunately they are many and contradicting and if you said not contradicting so excuse me you are the LIAR , be fair the Bible itself ( any version ) contradicts itself , simply because people change it , added and removed verses and verse , be fair and brave !
A challenge to all muslim brothers and sisters sura 18 : 94-100 dhul qarnain /alexander built a wall of iron and copper to protect a tribe from yajuj and majuj wall will be destroyed on judgement day That means the wall should still be here show me the wall of iron and copper if pyramids are still here, then where is the wall It was a mythical story from a book Alexander romance muahmmad heard it in Syria It proves that Koran is the word of Muhammad not gods SHOW ME THE WALL
all u people are idiots the end... u can not blame 100% of muslims for being vile and terrorist like for d ignorance of a few... it is not the religion that is bad it is the the people just like in the beginning christians killed n tortured anyone who rejected their religion so does dat mean dey were terrorist n haters too? oh no that means they are just holy men right? because another does it he is a terrorist? wake up n open ur minds der is only one god but religion has beeb changed by man
Original Sin caused man to live in a fallen state The punishment of Adam's sin is death--man is doomed to die. This fallen nature has passed onto all flesh, Adam was removed from the tree of life and seperated from God. This sinful nature is the sin of the world Behold the Lamb of God which takenth away the sin of the world. Jesus holds the keys of Hell and of Death. Apostle Paul(Romans 6) talks about remitting this sin of death from our life through baptism in Jesus name making us new creatures
@wilby1414 for God sake you want to tell me that we are all accountable and responsible for what Adam and Eve did , is that fair , does that even make any sense ,
believe me these are your wishes just to be away from the commandments of the Holy Messenger Jesus ( God bless him )
by the way you know that the Bible in your hand ( no matter what version ) has changed ( proven ) and you can never deny that ,
@TravelerSinbdad your a complete and utter fucking idiot. you have ABSOLUTELY not fucking understanding of the knowledge of good and evil. Therefor your entire idiot fucking rant is /fail.
How has the Bible changed you stupid fucking cumwit? examples of all of the books of the bible from the time they were written that we can compare them to. The native and original and native languages it was written in are overabundantly studied in church throughout the world.
Again , I'm asking you to continue this discussion in the original Arabic language Mr "I know Islam" , I'm asking you to try and prove your claims using the Muslim scriptures , instead of using western Zionist propaganda .
I expect you next reply will be in the Arabic language .
You're a nice guy, MANY muslims are & NEVER will strap on a suicide bomb or persecute a Jew or Christian, but you have to be honest with yourself! Your religions founder, history & Quran (that needs hadiths to explain it) are full or persecution, direct HATE for OTHER PEOPLE. Don't make friends, don't help or give charity, be harsh and KILL THEM!
Be honest. You may be a "liberal" Muslim, but your religion is RIPE for EVIL ABUSE BECAUSE Words in the Quran are EASILY TAKEN "out of context".
and do I look like a Hamas supporter ? to me they are heretics , and why the hell should I be held account for what the government of Iran does ?? I was protesting and defending their rights to convert , and speaking against Iran , LIKE MOST MUSLIMS DO what were you doing ??
the 6 million Muslims in Africa lie , the one with no statistics at all approved by the African federation , my dad is a consul , and he has evidence against it ! so who should I believe ?
Muslims spew hate & lies about Christians & Jews at mosque & madrasa daily. Preach PEACE?
God's "partners"? No! Christians DO NOT believe in three God's. Christians believe in ONE TRUE GOD with three eternal, co-existent natures. I know that BLOWS YOUR MIND, but deal with it. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL US WHAT TO BELIEVE.
Islams partners? mohamad, gabriel, allah, "Daughters of Allah" & all the people who actually wrote the quran 100 yrs after mohamad & changed it for a 1000 yrs past that! OUCH!
So ?? Ramadan and the Hajj predates Islam and I don't see anything wrong with it , it was performed by the Sabians , people mentioned in the Quran , just like the Jews and Christians .
Islam claims to be the culmination of all faiths , so I dont see a contradiction .
the moon and the star is a BADA , you know what it means right mr I can speak arabic and know Islam ?
and I debunked the Allah moon god,stop repeating yourself
they know NOTHING about christianity , what do you know about ISLAM?
Muslims say Bible is corrupt? PROVE THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT. You can't. I TRUST IN GOD WHO PROMISED HIS WORD (Message) TO US. The MESSAGE of the Bible is CLEAR and YOU REJECT IT with lame excuses. That will not cut it on judgement day.
The Quran is corrupt, vile & disgusting. The "story" behind islam & mohamad are quite silly and beyond suspect. You can't say islam is FINIAL new & improved version of Judeo-Christianity, than teach the OPPOSITE of everything. Jesus & Moses NEVER prayed to Mecca.
Jesus and Moses were not ordered to pray to Mecca, the order came to Muhammed peace be upon him because the Jews of Arabia thought that he was leading people to their corrupt version of Religion.
"Jesus and Moses were not ordered to pray to Mecca"
"Ordered" WHY? Show me where it says that? Who ordered it? Your stone statue/pagan moon god allah? Mecca, Kaaba, Hajj, Ramadan and 360 pagan idols existed BEFORE islam, including ALLAH. Mohamad used Mecca to get PAGANS to follow him. Mohamad changed praying to Jerusalem for 18 months when he tried to trick Jews to follow his false religion. It was weak, false clear manipulation by a salesman. Mecca & Kaaba was the center of Arab paganism.
So instead of listening to argument you throw an insult at shabir , very mature and scholarly , if he is a known liar , then who defeated him ?? even Sam Shamoun , the main article writer in answering-islam was humiliated by him .
I really don't give a rats ass if Muhammad was mentioned in YOUR bible , there are evidence that he was and that he is , and the false prophet test applies to Paul.
Like I said Allah is the name of God in Jesus's mother tonge and in the arabic bibles .
CHAD, a poor, third World Country. Chad doesn't openly persecute/repress Christians as other predominantly Muslim countries do. Chad is 34% Christian, 54% Muslim.
However Algerian Islamic militant groups associated with al-Qaeda & radical clerics from Saudi Arabia, Sudan & Pakistan teaching CRAZY HATE CRAP in Chad!
In Africa Christians ARE killed by Muslim Terrorist & Chruches burned. Why? If Islam is so good it should spread its message of "peace". Well we know that is a lie, don't we.
Stop playing games. ISLAMIC Zealots think it's OK to kill people who disagree with them. They get their fuel for terrorism right from the quran. I'VE READ THE QURAN & SEE WHERE THEY GET THEIR RADICAL IDEAS. Violent Jihad, "Believe or else", one World caliphate islamic dominace BS is echoed in islamic history since 622AD, when mohamad & his merry band of murderers started attacking caravans, forced people believe or be slaughtered, exiled or be slaves paying jiyza "tribute" extortion, screw you.
@gmcjetpilot All i could say is, so this the all your brain could think of after all. I suggest u do more research and come again with a concrete proof. If possible u could make some short video to show us ur point.
If MUSLIMS don't start to reform their cult, not just play lip service to your almost nonexistent objection to terrorism with continued calls of hate against Jews & others, YOU WILL BE DESTROYED. Got it. We're not tribes in the desert. We're big more powerful nations & WILL NOT LET YOUR BS GO ANY LONGER. We'll give you something to really be offended about (in our self defense). Poke a Bear once or twice you might get away with it, but eventually the Bear shreds & eats you, than s#%t you out.
Why do Muslims kill each other ? I dont know , and I'm not willing to know , thats the problem of their respective communities and governments , all I know is that it aint from the Quran or Islam , Why do Jews kill and oppress messianic Jews ? I have no idea , thats their problem , in my country Muslim heretics get fucked up .
and where is your answer to my questions ? Where was the US when the Palestinians were killed ? , I'm not even interested in your answer .
That's honest & TELLING. That's the problem w/ muslims, not WILLING to look at truth. You choose to be lied to, Q5:101-102, don't ask questions.
Jews, Christians, Hindu & Buddhist are NOT flying planes into buildings. Islam is the ONLY "religion" actively in words & deeds that attacks other religions, nations & cultures. Look at the "white-man" & Jews contribution to art, music, academics, medicine, science, technology. Muslims? Exaggerated claims a 1000 yrs ago.
Jesus himself spoke aramaic , if you study that language , "Allah" means "God" , if you don't believe me go watch the passion of the christ again .
If Allah is the moon god , then why is his name in the arabic bible over and over again ??? and the christians call Jesus "Ibn Allah" son of god , and the Catholics call Mary "Um Allah" , mother of god....
Get your facts straight , the moon god lies is one of the funniest arguments ever thrown against Islam
PLEASE SAVE YOUR LINGUISTIC BS and don't tell me Jesus said ALLAH. God is Yahweh in ANY LANGUAGE. Honest "islamic scholars" don't even buy that. Most "Islamic scholars" KNOW nothing but memorize their bs rhetoric. They're brainwashed propaganda parrots.
What's over the MOSQUE? A crescent MOON & STAR. Why? Well much of the PAGAN rituals you do are from the tribe that worshiped the MOON & STARS. ALLAH was ONE of 360 pagan Idols (moon god). FACT. Hajj, Ramadan (new moon), all pre-date islam.
Shabir Ally refute the whole moon god crap in a beautiful way
watch?v=7_dsSz0lTQw
But I'll give you a historical refutation , First of all the moon god in the Kaba is called "AL ILAH" which means "the God" , what does this have to do with "ALLAH" ? is your arabic that bad ?
The pagans even though they worshiped idols , they recognized that there is a creator god , and that God was called "Allah" , and he didn't have an idol.
Shabir Ally looks retarded or like a devil. Look. He's a KNOWN LIAR. When Honor murders & terrorist acts happen, he doesn't renounce them or muslims. His soul is dead, like Deedat, who's really dead. God struck him down for lying. The other idiot Naik, doesn't even know islam.
They know NOTHING of Jesus or Judeo-Christanity. They're false witnesses. Jesus & Moses NEVER prayed to Mecca. Mohamad & his buddy allah are NEVER mentioned in the Bible, except for the discription of a false prophet.
Old Muslims debate 101. It is out of context! Right, OK well I read the original arabic and three English translations and the whole surah, aya's and fatwas from saudi arabia. Don't bull shit me.
Yes all your studies in islam are bullshit. Get a good study bible, with (cross ref and conmentary). These sites will help de program you,
No thanks , I study the bible properly , its one of my favorite books , even my christian friends and my fiance (yes she is christian) is teaching it to me.
No its true , context is important , you reading ??? dont bullshit me !! You have no respect for any context what so ever , or even the nature of the Quran , its not a "once upon a time" fairy tale styled book like the bible , its concentrated and unique material .
Do you think THE ONE MERCIFUL God will let ANYONE into heaven with hate in their heart? THINK! Many muslims HATE Jews. Why? What did they do? Nothing but be Jews.
I have NO HATE for for Muslims, even TERRORIST. I forgive them, love thy enemy as Jesus taught us.
Islam? It's a false flawed religion that threatens my religion, family, nation and culture. It is responsible for all the terrorism in the World. Yes I WILL FIGHT AGAINST HATE AND MURDERERS AND ABUSERS OF WOMAN AND CHILDREN.
There is MORE OF US than YOU. We're not going to let you spread your cancer. There are only so many stupid people in the World to believe islam. You are full up on stupid illiterate people.
Mind your own business, stop murdering or reap the whirlwind, in self defense.
Your ideology is flawed and false. It is not compatible with freedom (of religion) & democracy, which is God pleasing. No where was Jesus political. God first, but Jesus said follow the laws, GIVE Caesar his due.
Yeah yeah , you studied Islam , and I'm a white guy with blond hair a blue eyes , every single claim you made has been addressed and refuted , and if your claims were true , I still don't understand why Islam is the fastest growing religoin in the west ?? 70$ of the converts in the US alone are women....I see a contradiction
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR RACE OR EYE COLOR. I'm not a homosexual like you hajji, who secretly sodomize each other in repressed islamic countries. Islam is sick with prostitutes. Mohamad sucked boys as recorded in the hadith!
I KNOW ISLAM & ARABIC BETTER THAN YOU. I actually READ the Quran, Hadiths, Tafsirs & Fatwas, unlike most Muslims who know NOTHING of their cult, I mean religion. I'm amazed how arrogant muslims are with all the crap your cult causes, you pretend it's all good. Unbelievable
You don't don't know Arabic. Only 30% of muslims know classical Arabic. I have the Quran on my computer, three main English translations, advanced Arabic translation software. Many Arabic speaking Christians (ex-Muslims) know Arabic well, some are on youtube. I know the GAMES muslims play with Arabic to make grand ridiculous quran science claims (lies). I'll go with ISLAMIC scholars & their English translations. Any laugange can be translated. If not than why did ALLAH choose it? Silly muslims.
Muslims play this game. PROVE IT and who cares, but it's not true.
There's 6.3 billion people in the WORLD. Islam is only 1/5th of the World 21% or 1.3 billion, most in the poorest, most illiterate repressed violent places. YES they breed like rats, but that is offset by Muslims killing each other.
Christianity is 35% or 2.2 billion, or 69% larger than islam. Hindu and Buddhist who hate Islam is another 20%. 5 billion against 1.3 billion.
I think we both stand on different political grounds here , that kind of discussion will take us nowhere and I'm not interested in it , but I'm still down with a discussion about the Quran and the bible.
and did you forget that I condemn 9/11 ?? and many of us do ?? and 97% of all Muslim declared bin laden as a heretic and condemned his actions ?
All I was saying is that the Palestinians have a right to dance , since you people support their killers .
97% of your statistics are out your ass; the other 3%=total BS. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER ME. WHY DO MUSLIMS KILL OTHER MUSLIMS?
*ALL* NON-COMBATANT MUSLIMS KILLED, ARE KILLED BY OTHER MUSLIMS.
*People* killed accidentally in combat zones are always compensated. The West, we morn their death & try to minimize these losses at our own peril. We agonize over waterboarding 2 top terrorist. Muslims behead people with a knife, bare handed & film it. Muslims don't care & use death for propaganda. Sick!
I told you I don't know , and I'm not willing to justify what 2% of all Muslim who are deemed as heretics do , that's the problem of their respective governments , there is nothing radical going on in my country , because the government fucks them up , and I think other nations should do the same .
Israel is defending itself. They've been attack by 5 major military offensives with as many as 5 Arab countries attacking at once. Out numbered 3 to one the Jews won. Where is ALLAH? 2003 to 2008 there was 999 Israeli's murdered by 1000's of terrorist attacks. That is why there are walls/check points. Gaza? ARABS LOST LAND WHEN THEY ATTACKED ISRAEL IN 1948, '56, '67, '73 & 2000. Muslims say NO israel of ANY kind is the ONLY solution. OK have it your way, WE'LL KILL YOU IN SELF DEFENSE. YOU LOST!
Please can the intellectually challenged, who do not have a clue and who're missing the bigger picture here, kindly not post their ridiculous, pathetic anti semitic comments and keep them for another site, as this is where the grown ups exchange dialogue on topics of discussion, you would otherwise find unintelligible. Yours Thankfully ...one of Yahweh's own!
ROBSTA69able 1 year ago
The future's bright ..the future's Christ the light, the way, the truth.NO ONE comes to the father, except through him. Former Christian, I doubt it, he wouldn't have denied Christ otherwise!
ROBSTA69able 1 year ago
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God creates fruit.
God creates man with desire in my mind.
Man desires to eat fruit because he was created this way.
God knew this would happen and that it would piss him off.
God dooms man kind as a result.
It's a good thing Jesus died. Or else none of this would make any sense.
*ponders*
MellowChaos 1 year ago
I get such a pleasant feeling listening to Sheik Estes, may Allah bestow upon him His Blessings :)
Letsfightlove 1 year ago 2
babies in paradise! praying! yet cant speak ? and where is allahs justice when one person lives for 90 yrs as a test and a baby lives 3 months and goes to paradise and doesnt understand speach? whats the purpose of the test ?
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
Sir, hearing u speak on the BIG Bang Theory was very enlightening and also logical. Who said that I can't carry the burden of another person. Normally if I see any person struggling to carry some heavy weight I go and help them. If it is a very old or sick person I myself carry it. When I do this I feel happy within myself and also enjoy seeing the smile of the other person. If I can be merciful I can imagine the immense Love of my saviour Jesus Christ who has come to bear my sins(every sin)
georgyjoseph1962 1 year ago
Original Sin interpretation - See "Fall of Man". It was an illicit relationship between Lucifer and Eve and then Eve selfishness taken from Lucifer pass it to Adam. Adam should have said Lord I have sin, I let myself be fooled against Your word and take responsibility, but he blamed God instead because he said the woman You gave to be with me.
jaaagosto 1 year ago
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SowrdofManticorE u still didnt answer my question:- So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell? Is this justice?
u said that Muslims will go to hell for not beleiving in Jesus! u wrong Muslims do beleive in Jesus as a prophet.
echo2006able 1 year ago
Job:26:13: By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Why did God form the serpent crooked (Evil)? For His purpose alone!
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
Yusuf, for those who do good and bad, it is said by Paul what happens in 1Corithians 3:10-15, and as who will be in paradice read 1Timothy 4:9-10.
God knew what would happen in the garden and He allows the serpent to enter it to do what it was made for. We did inherit sin from Adam, but it is Christ Yahushua that changes that for all mankind (muslims as well), Romans 5:18-19.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE your very Knowledgeable fellow servant of YHWH in Christ. Yes the serpent spoke and deceived Eve/Adam into 'sin', sin is destroyed/punished by death(eternal) But Yehushua took our punishment(death) at Calvary; It was our sin that killed Him and because He was sinless He was resurrected back to life(eternal). He condemned sin and defeated death..and this is why He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. The alternative is eternal death! (hell-the grave) Jesus=eternal life
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman Thank you sir, but there is no alternitive as the plan of God has been set in motion. Christ's death cleaned all men of sin. The proof is in the vision of Peter in Acts 10. Verse 15 tells us that God has cleaned all mankind of sin past, present and future.
As we did inherit death from Adam, that changed with the death of Christ, as all men were made justified by it. This is God's plan.
As for babies being born sinnless, read Psalms 51:5
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
Why is the devil residing in Paradise?
clean3 1 year ago
@clean3 The serpent was allowed to do what it was made for. To decieve Eve, who will aid Adam to sin against God. This will bring mankind into darkness (death). There is a purpose for this, and it is God's purpose. Why did our loving Father bring His creation to darkness? Let me ask you this, who is more gratefull for being wealthy, a self made millionair who was born poor, or a child born into wealth?
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
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you guys just want to live without being responsible for your own deeds ,now I understand why you don't even care about the commandments of Jesus
abdraz1986 1 year ago
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Whoever came up with the idea of the original sin (read Romans/pagans) just wanted to live without being responsible for their own deeds. They wanted to SIN all their lives and easily pass it off saying some1 else has paid for it. I cant imagine a society with that doctrine . It would ruin the world , let alone heaven.
abdraz1986 1 year ago
Okay somebody explain something to me. If no sacrifice is needed to allow sinners in Heaven according to Islam the why does Allah who is supposedly Most Merciful allow everyone in Heaven? I mean it looks likes to me that he's allowing sinners to go to Heaven which shows his mercy is not limited by his Justice so why doesn't he allow everyone to go to Heaven? Btw I'm a Christian
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman b/c if u cant using God given mind/intelligence can't figure out God is the only 1 deserved to be worshipped then y shud he give u heaven.
Even muslim's chances of going to heaven are kinda low. This doesn't mean God is merciless.God will only hold u accountable for the sins u did.Which is called being Just. The mercy is wen v will be sent to heaven b/c trust me no 1 wants to stay in hell forever.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 That doesnt rlly answer my question. Muslims are sinners to. And according to the quran they are going to Heaven. If no one has to pay for their sins why doesnt he let all people in Heaven. I mean he is Most Merciful. ANd it seems justice is not a problem so................ why doesnt he?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman yes they will go to heaven AFTER they have been punished in hell. u knw knda like a criminal that goes to jail.gets punished & then *released*.
we'll pay for our own sins mate by spending time in hell. We'll be punished to the extent of OUR own sins alone b/c if u read the quran u'll notice that God's greatest mercy is that v won't stay in hell forever
ofc no 1 is a saint BUT if a child that dies at birth or before puberty he/she will go to heaven b/c they are innocent.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 But isnt God infinite? Doesnt a crime against an infinite God deserev an infinite punishment?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboyb no.God ceases to be God IF he goes back on his word & fortunately God unlike us doesnt go back on his words
infinite punishhment is when u purposely want God to punish u indefinitely. & the best way is do shirk [worship something else] & don't repent until death
even shirk the highest form of sin is forgivable IF u ask forgiveness & don't repeat it again[aka reverting to Islam that doubles the chances of going to heaven] Other sins will be forgiven through ur good deeds
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 Okay so tell me who goes to Hell. I mean why cant your God shed mercy on all. I mean he is most merciful. And it seems like there is no price for sin.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman Why can't God shed mercy on all? Why can't you believe in God? Its simple as hell really, you believe in God and do as he tells you and you get your mercy as deserved.
No price for sin? Don't make me laugh, I don't know about your or other religions but Islam is highly strict on major sins. Try finding out the truth about something for a change, might open up your mind a bit.
born2rock92 1 year ago
@born2rock92 Major sins? Umm okay lets say this. We've alll sinned before. Doesnt that make us sinners? If we are still sinners are we good or evil? What is the price for those sins we commited? SO lets say right now that I become a muslim with all my sins such as hate, greed, lust, fornication etc etc. am I forgiven without no price being paid? If thats the case then why does anybody go to Hell. If there is no price being paid then why will people be paying a price in Hell?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman yes IF u really become a muslim u'll b clean b like a new born baby & ur chances of entering heaven will be double.Converts have more importance in Islam as opposed to normal muslims, U knw y
mate there is a difference between major sins & minor sins. Minor sins can get *removed* by doing good deeds. Major sins can also be removed if u 'more' good deeds for eg if I steal its a sin but due to conscious I feel its wrong & return the thing back to its owner. I'll be forgiven.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 SO our sins against an infinitely worthy God can be bought off with our good deeds? And if good deeds pay for our infinitely worthy sins why is there a Hell? Man this Islam thing is not making any sense
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboyb hell is there for the sins ur good deeds wont be able to remove mate & for those ppl whose bad deeds out weigh the good deeds xD
or those ppl they will be punished for the amount of bad deeds done & THEN heaven which unfortunately will not happen wid today's muslims as far as I can say.
its simple. More bad than Good. hell were u'll be purified. more good that bad - Heaven
many ppl do more bad deeds than Good of which many are aware I guess
just calm down man ^_^
all ppl
younib100 1 year ago
@africanboybkman "SO lets say right now that I become a muslim with all my sins such as hate, greed, lust, fornication etc etc. am I forgiven without no price being paid?"
^Seriously? That's honestly laughable. If you do that, then how the hell are you "becoming a muslim", rofl? You're not following what Islam's telling you, hence you're not becoming a muslim. Mediocre logic this, good sir.
born2rock92 1 year ago
@born2rock92 No its not. If I come to Islam with all the sins I've committed. WOuld I be forgiven without a price being paid?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman You mean you sinned while in your previous belief, and now you're gonna convert to Islam? My point still stays, now that you're converting to Islam and following what it says, you know that all of those are sins not to be done, you're sorry for them and sincerely repent. God is merciful, remember? x) Long as your repentance is sincere that is, mind you, not sinning desperately and then 'repenting', that's not sincerity. I guess my point's clear enough now.
born2rock92 1 year ago
@born2rock92 Okay but you havent answered the second half of my question? What's the price being paid enabling me to be forgiven?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman yes in Islam u'll be forgiven for everything b/c u did those as sins as a non muslim. even as a muslim u need to do things to make sure u dont do sins again otherwise anybody can claim to be muslim.
younib100 1 year ago
@africa ever heard of peace coming to u on its own ?? U need to work to get peace. same way work ur way up to get God's mercy.
Again u want God's mercy ?? At least do some effort to learn about Islam.U'll understand how merciful is God in Islam as u progress. God helps those who wants to be helped. Take the first step & God will guide thats mercy.
if ur not interested y shud God be ?
by mercy u mean everbody becoming muslims by God's will.Yes it's possible but it will go against the test.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 Y call it mercy if you have to work for it? I dont get it. He says he's most merciful so y doesnt he shed mercy on all? If he's gonna claim most merciful he needs to be it. If you're working for grace then its not grace. You cant work for grace cuz if you do its no longer grace.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman No pain no gain :) as simple as it is.Doesnt mean u'll have to torture urself.How hard is it to learn about a religion ? Man your just being lazy.If really want God's mercy u'll feel it automatically if u do enough effort U can work for grace mate He says he's most merciful so y doesnt he shed mercy on all? simple. wats the point of being perfect muslims in a imperfect world ? It will be like paradise which is against the test
problem is wat do u define mercy as
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 Test? WHy does God test people. If he's all knowing. And no Im not being lazy its just that your analogy makes no sense. Problem is with you. You dont see how heinous and bad your sins are. SO you categorize them as minor and major so you still feel like you're not that bad. Your sins all of them are against an infinite worthy God. SO they are as heinous as you can get. You can't work to get yourself clean. Your sins are still there u cant get em off with good works.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman b/c if u think u can have a perfect life wid all the money/success in the world & then die thinkin 'i've lived a good enough life' U have a surprise coming.
nothing but God is infinite. mate even the universe will come to a end.To think that life was 'chance' in some unknown part of the universe & got finished just for the heck of it ..... I don't think so :)
younib100 1 year ago
@africanbo our sins are still there u cant get em off with good works.
Who told u ?
desrespecting parents is major sin it can removed if I ask my parents to forgive me or do khidmat aka like being obdient to them to the point they forgive me.
Doesn mean my parents are God only means as a God fearing/loving muslim I knw wat how bad it is to do these sins
Sins get erased mate by good deeds BUT if u do tooooo many bad deeds over good then hell it is ONLY to the extent of sins then heaven
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 But isnt there a punishment for the sin. Isnt there a price that must be paid if we commit a crime against a Great Holy, Infinite, Loving God? Isnt there any atonement for the Infinite crime against Him who his greater than the universe. Shouldn't a price be paid for such great crimes against God.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman yes.We'll pay the 'price' by being punished in hell for our sins.I'll be punished in hell for my sins alone. mate a day in hell is almost like 50 yrs. Ok so even the 'limited' time in hell will be kinda like eternity.Plus repentance is not a easy thing in Islam most ppl do't even feel guilt wen they do sins
infinite punishment is for those who'll fail to come up wid reasons to deny God b/c God already gave u the required things to realize his existence. 'intelligence'
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 But the sins are infinite. Agree? SO if the sins are infinite shouldn't the punishment also be infinite. Shouldn't God serve justice and give us the punishment we deserve? Kinda like eternity? Eternity is the nonexistence of time. SO in other words if there's no time then Hell is forever. And the punishment lasts forever. ALl I'm saying is since we all have infinitely worth sins shouldn't we all deserve infinite Hell?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@ sins are infinite ??? life itself is finite. Even the most cruelest of barbarians wud have commited at least 1 good deed in his life.
eternity punishment is for those who die as unbelievers including muslims. Saying I m muslim is not enough.U need to do stuff [good deeds] to strengthen ur claim of being muslim
i did 100 bad deeds & 150 good deeds. my 50 deeds will save me from hell.
i did 100 bad deeds & 80 good deeds. I'll be punished for 20 extra bad deeds in hell then sent to heaven
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 Let me give u an example. I kill a roach should I go to jail? No
I kill a man should I go to jail? Yes. I commit a crime against an infinitely worthy God should I suffer an infinite punishment? Yes. Why is eternity punishment for those who die believers? As you said life is finite. WHat you need to understand is that a sin is not some small little crime that we make. It a great Heinous crime we commit against an INfinite Holy good God.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman b/c as u follow Islam ur sins will gradually be forgiven. In Islam even a thing as small as good intentioned smile can be a good deed whereas a deed as disrespecting parents is equivalent murder.
U give charity it'll eventually kill ur selfishness. Your greed will be finished & hence ur chances of doin bad deeds related to wealth decreases.
The *worst* sin a man can do is deny God even then it wont matter to God as long as ur living.b/c wen u die the real deal begins.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 Okay but you're not answering my question. Dont I deserve a punishment for my heinous crimes. If I'm being forgiven for my sins gradually. Then who's taking the punishment for those sins Im being forgiven of?
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman who told u ur sins will be forgiven the instant u do a good deed. God decides that
If I'm being forgiven for my sins gradually One lifetime MIGHT not be enough if the bad deeds u've done are many
u'll pay for ur own bad deeds. once u've been punished for ur bad deeds in hell u'll be *purified* i.e the sins as a muslim u did will be 'paid' for by spending time in hell which is equally painful for non muslims. God knws how much time u'll need to spend in hell for ur sins
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 SO you're saying God has to put me in Hell to purify us. SO doesnt that mean practically everyone's goign to Hell? Hmmmm You know what. Jesus is the way. The God of the bible makes more sense. We're all sinners against an infinite God. So we deserve Hell. But God sent His Son Jesus to die for our sins that we may receive just mercy. All men are sinners and God sent His Son Jesus to sanctify us so we wont even have to see Hell. ANd becuz he defeated death and sin those who come to him
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman will be free from sin and will live for God and for his Glory. Praise the true living God.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman who told u ur goin to hell ?? have u been judged by God already & now reborn ??
u can't understand the basic concept of 'standing up for ur own actions' & then want jesus [pbuh] to pay the price ?? I call this cowardice mate.
Y shud I let jesus [pbuh] pay the price for MY sins. Adam [pbuh] & Eve [pbuh] paid for sin by getting 'thrown' from paradise but then they repented & got forgiven.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 No you're he one who's not seeing straight. Because you dont see sin for what it really is. You think your your good deeds can make up for the heinous crimes we commit against God. You're foolish for thinking you can pay for your own sins. That's what I like to call pride. Relying on yourself to pay the price. Plus by ur religion. You say that we all pay for our sins by going to Hell. That means both of us will see Hell if you're telling the truth. Thats not rlly mercy.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman I rely on Christ and not myself. Cuz I realize I'm wicked, pitiful man in the eyes of God and that I need a savior.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman wat crime did I do wen Adam [pbhu] disobeyed God :) wat crime did I do for which jesus [pbuh] had to die ONE death for the sins of millions of ppl. thats wat ur saying which is crazy. death is the passage to the afterlife not some thing to be scared of.
sin is going against God & good deed is the remedy b/c u were the 1 who did the bad deed. mate again Y shud I let Jesus [pbuh] take the fall ???
younib100 1 year ago
@africanboybkman mate stand up for the actions which u did & stop playing the 'jesus [pbuh] died for our sins' thing. Reality is every1 is responsible for his/her actions. on judgment day god will judge u for ur deeds & not some1 elses.
were u there wen Adam [pbiuh] got punished. If u were there then WoW if not then don't take the mistake of Adam [pbuh] upon urself or for that matter jesus [pbuh]. He told ppl to worship God. which u aint doin either :)
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 In the cristian belief. Jesus is infinite so he was able to pay for the infinite punishment we deserved. Im gonna send you a video I want you to watch it
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman i m gnna ask u to read bible wid a open mind & pray u understand the differences between jesus [pbuh]'s words & men's words :) Jesus [pbuh] said the same thing as Moses [pbuh] Nuh [pbuh] Mohammad [pbuh] wirship 1 God alone.
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 I am worshipping one God. Oh are you gonna use the whole 3 Gods nonsense. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and The Father is God in three forms. One God in three forms.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman mate 1 death for countless sins of past & for wat so that ppl can doubt jesus [pbuh]'s existence today ?? seriously ? use common sense jesus [pbuh] will return but as a prophet/messiah who'll clarify all misunderstandings
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 "Through 1 man sin to the world. And through 1 man will sin be paid for". See the amazing justice of God. His son who was the only innocent one died for all the sins of man.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman ahan :) 1 man sin ?? in bible eve was responsble was the sin right ? she encouraged Adam [pbuh] to eat the fruit which is y pregnancy is viewed as 'punishment' for women :)
1 innocent man ?? God's son a man ?? Adam was the fist man & Jesus [pbuh] was not innocent according to the bible :)
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 Ummm Yes he was innocent according to the bible. Remember when those men were about to stone that woman for adultery. And Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" And then everyone left except Jesus. Remember the conversation with certain ruler. Ruler said "Good master how do I inherit eternal life" Jesus says "WHy dost thou call me good there's no one good except God" Then Jesus a few verses down calls himself the Good shepherd. Implying that he's God.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@younib100 And btw you've made the mistake Adam made also just like all humans that live. You've sinned. You gotta teach a child to lie? Gotta teach a child to be self centered? You gotta be a child to be selfish? No. Let a child go with no discipline and see what you get. Let them live only by their nature and see what they become.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman if u go by the thinking that as a muslim * i'll be eventually forgiven* then 1 day in hell is more than enough for u to realize that u were wrong b/c God decides how much time u need to spend in hell plus sins like Shirk are forgivable WHEN u repent for it before dying otherwise its eternal hell.
younib100 1 year ago
@africanboybkman who are u to say u did infinite sins ?? ur life is limited & so are ur deeds. good & bad will be judged by Allah
mate punishment in hell even for a limited time is like eternity b/c time in heaven is different than time over here. so be assured the 'just' punishment u seek will be there for bad muslims too for a time soooo long it will seem like forever unless until we've been punished for our sins. 'period' in hell will be up to Allah
younib100 1 year ago
@younib100 But the sins are not against life the sins are against God. Gos is infinite correct? Crimes against an infinite God deserve an infinite punishment. Well that is if you God is just. And umm eternity never ends. Because there's a lack of time. And doesnt your Quran say that people under 40 who die go to a lower Heaven? So if I died a serial killer will I avoid Hell cuz of my age? Tbh Islam doesnt sound legit. The God of Islam doesnt sound legit. No offense.
africanboybkman 1 year ago
@africanboybkman also those will be forgiven that havent received a warner/messenger OR havent received Mohammad's message. so in today's age it is highly unlikely no 1 will have heard of Islam b/c frankly this terrorism is kinda like a advertisement.
plus those ppl who learn about islam & FEEL its the truth they except it. those who still need convincing need to accept one thing at least Islam is world's apart from wat the common media portrays.
younib100 1 year ago
fuck islam
zoltarr122 1 year ago
there is no original sin...
Adam was not even a human
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
[ KJV ]-[ Matthew:26:39 ]-[ And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ] »»» Jesus PRAYED like Muslims PRAY ... you Christians dont even know your own bible
ArabianGirrl 1 year ago
the muslim person says that the son doesnt bear the iniquity of the father. in other words the son doesnt get punished for sin of father. thus original sin is false. tell me then, why do babies suffer for the sins of their mother???if she gets hepatitis from drug abuse she will pass it to her child in the womb, this child isnt born innocent. this child is condemned with a disease because of something the parent did. just like we are prone to sin/death because of what adam/eve did.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago 12
@smokeybirdman so it means women who cant get pregnant are blessed ladies b/c they won't have to give birth to children & go through labour. Sheesh wat weird logic u guys have. this kind of stuff degrades mothers u knw
younib100 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman - i pose this one qn to u. if u truly believe tt u are the result n bearer of ur parents' actions then why do u make ur own choices in life? if ur parents commit a crime (God forbid), are YOU gg to go to jail in their place? what they do is their business n its got nth to do w u. u lead ur own life. u are brought into this world of time & consequence to be tested of ur gratefulness n conduct. n on tt Day of Judgment u will account for tt own life u led.
hudameansguidance 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman so your saying if I don't wash my hands and I give my child a cold he has inherited my sin and is now condemned. I could be wrong but I don't ever remember seeing that in the bible
Niven110 1 year ago
@Niven110 NO! im not saying that. If you dont understand what im saying even though i said it often probably isnt ment to be understood by you.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman So I guess all of O.J Simpsons children and their descendants should be put on trial for murder as well?
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman don't mix a medical condition with something spiritual. If your father murdered or stole from someone someone, he is responsible not you. This true in the eyes of God but also in the eyes of the human law. This is the essence of the Islamic view, which is the Devine view.
cbx086 1 year ago
if children are born innocent why can they die? if we dont inherit original sin then why are babies born with disability/disease! if original sin is a myth then why does everyone sin/die? its sooooooo obviouse its true! death started with adam and we inherit human nature.....a nature prone to sin/death.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago 11
@smokeybirdman You are asking questions about death of babies and disease and so on that ARE OUTSIDE YOUR UNDERSTANDING. You do not need to know what God has planned for everyone. What happens when u dont follow the manual of a creation? it will malfunction. If you dont follow the manual of humans they may get disease and illness. Forbidden things like alcohol, smoking, sodomy, eating swine (which is in bible too). What kind of God would we have if he punished a newly born innocent soul??
s0bad 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman Diseases & Death are created by God. It seems that u r mixing things up. Do u have the choice wheather to die or not? ofcourse u dont have a choice. Do u have the choice to avoid doing bad things such drugs, adultry..ect? ofcourse u do.
Do u have the choice if u r born with a disability? ofcourse u dont. So tell me why would a child inherit his parents sins where they had a choice of avoiding the sins?
when a child born with disability his/her parent has no choice.
echo2006able 1 year ago
@echo2006able ok if babies dont inherit the stain of adams sin and are nice innocent beautiful things....why did Allah 'choose' to punish the world for sin with a 'flood'!!! a method of punishment that destroys even 'innocent' babies. Is Allah unjust or just? may you decide wisely
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman At the time of the flood all the children were on board in the big ship made by Noha(pbuh). Have u ever thoght about all the good things granted by Allah to us such us the blessing of being able to breath, see, listen,eat countless blessings & u still wheather Allah is Justice or not? So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?Is that justice?May Allah guide u to the right path.
echo2006able 1 year ago
@echo2006able A christian is always happy of the blessings given to him by his Father everyday, but as to your view of sin, inheritance and hell in the Christian faith today is not far off. The problem with Christianity today, is that we all believe in differernt doctrines. There is no unity in doctrine, and why? Very few of us can read Hebrew and Greek! Our english translations or versions are so inaccurate that we have adapted our own interpretation of God's Word and made new doctrines!
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
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@SwordofManticorE So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?
echo2006able 1 year ago
@echo2006able Continue... For example, most Christians believe that when they die, they go to heaven while you muslims go to hell for not believing in Christ. I believe 80% that when we all die, we sleep in our graves only to be reserrected on the choosen day for all to be judged rightouse (including muslims). There is a Lake of Fire, but it is not the hell that most Christians believe it to be (Heb 12:29). Hell as most believe it to be dose not exist, but is a pagan germanic creation (hel).
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@echo2006able Finally...Would a merciful, loving and just Father allow His creation to burn forever in a literal enfernal to be tormented by demons? If we are created in God's image, then why do we not do the same to our prisoners who commit terrible crimes? Are we as children more just than our all loving and merciful Father in heaven? No! Job 4:17. We did inherit the sin of Adam (disobience), but it was Christ obidience that made us all just in God's eyes 1Cor 15:22 and Rom 5:18-19. Peace
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
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@SwordofManticorE u still didnt answer my question:- So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?is this justice?
echo2006able 1 year ago
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@SwordofManticorE So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?
echo2006able 1 year ago
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@SwordofManticorE So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell?
echo2006able 1 year ago
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@SwordofManticorE SowrdofManticorE u still didnt answer my question:- So the Christianity logic concludes that all those who inherited sins from their parent before the birth of Jesus will go to hell? Is this justice?
u said that Muslims will go to hell for not beleiving in Jesus! u wrong Muslims do beleive in Jesus as a prophet.
echo2006able 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman If a person sins or not they die anyway. We inherit disabilities/diseases because of how the creator made our DNA not because of an ancestors actions.
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm Our DNA is a result of the actions of Adam/Eve. Their sin introduced 'mortality' (death) thus we die, age and suffer.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman So if I do something sinful, my childrens' DNA will be affected? HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm NO! it already has been affected long ago by what Adam/Eve did. Their action introduced sin/death. Previousley they were innocent and neither mortal or immortal..but they became mortal when they sinned. Their new nature was now sinful and condemned to death. We as their descendants inherit this 'nature' that is mortal and 'prone' to sin and finally die. With death comes disease and aging because of our mortal nature.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman Animals age and get disease. Did they eat forbidden fruit too?
Humans do not inherit nature from actions. The act on inherited nature. Therefore Adam, Eve and humans would act sinful because they were programed that way.
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm Did the animals sin like the humans in Noahs day? yet God destroyed them with and because of human wickedness.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman That sounds more like Adolf Hitler.
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm the God of the universe sounds like adolph hitler?
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman The Christian god seems like The Fuhrer.
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm its because you dont kno Him. When you do He is really nice, but when you fuck with Him watch out!
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman Someone or something that would allow their own son to be tortured and killed can't be trusted.
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm even if it means saving you and your children. Reality check. sin is rewarded with death(extinction) thats what God thinks about it. He backs it up by His death as man for us! your call...appreciate and accept or rot in the grave.
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman That kind of fearmongering only works with cowards and imbeciles.
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
@Gothbdsm it wasnt meant to be 'fearmongering' something that is common to religion eg obey or suffer/burn in hell etc. I just stated facts as I understand them ie Jesus offers eternal life, otherwise we die and rot in the grave(cemetry) salam :)
smokeybirdman 1 year ago
@smokeybirdman Facts? You've got to be kidding?
Gothbdsm 1 year ago
hi yusuf estes, i know u r a former christian , the answers u give is not acceptable and satisfied, i think u must have sound knowledge on quran,......eternal lake of fire is waitin for u after death yusf. Dont blame jesus if u go to hell................
yawehjesus 1 year ago
hi yusuf estes, i know u r a former christian , the answers u give is not acceptable and satisfied, i think u must have sound knowledge on quran,,, any way u rejected lord jesus and turned to islam......eternal lake of fire is waitin for u after death yusf. Dont blame jesus if u go to hell................
yawehjesus 1 year ago
bismillah, griptick u need to chill out on ur comments wit all the cussing and stuff. First of all those cussing words u put out here just tells everybody that ur just a tool that cant accept the truth. And what ur saying does not make sense at all. i pray to Allah to help you and give u guidence.
k00zi 1 year ago
the one thing that ever fucking muslim has in common is their complete lack of knowledge on the Bible and what it says. They are brain washed into believing that Jesus never said he was God, they have no fucking clue who Elijah is (the prophetic "Jewish king" in islam who is said to come and rule over the Jews in the future) and they dont even know the accurate history of their OWN religion nor do they have any clue why they worship the moon.
griptick 1 year ago
the one thing that ever fucking muslim has in common is their complete lack of knowledge on the Bible and what it says. They are brain washed into believing that Jesus never said he was God, they have no fucking clue who Elijah is (the prophetic "Jewish king" in islam who is said to come and rule over the Jews in the future) and they dont even know the accurate history of their OWN religion nor do they have any clue why they worship the moon.
griptick 1 year ago
you guys just want to live without being responsible for your own deeds ,now I understand why you don't even care about the commandments of Jesus
TravelerSinbdad 1 year ago
@TravelerSinbdad You are a complete fool. Jesus took the SIn of the world. You have to ACCEPT him for it to be redeemed. Muslims are just a bunch of self hating child and innocent murdering dirt bags. Go pray to Muhammad(shit be upon him) who was a child molester.
If muhammad were alive today he would be in jail and would have the lowest cast in all of the criminal rankings.
griptick 1 year ago
@griptick Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him was the greatest man that ever lived. Type in the youtube search engine - `Muhammad the most influential single person` - and be prepared to learn something new. He was gracious, humble, sincere, compassionate, charitable and extremely selfless...his diet consisted of dates and water. So when you put this man down...it only shows how ignorant you are.
ArabianGirrl 1 year ago
@ArabianGirrl you neglegcted to mention that he was child molester. If he lived today he would be in prison and be getting his ass raped on a regular basis.
griptick 1 year ago 2
This idiot doesnt have a clue what the Bible says or about original sin and doesnt even mention the knowledge of good and evil, thus completely failing on the entire topic.
griptick 1 year ago
Mr "griptick" ,this"idiot" is a former christian "minister" from TEXAS who doesnt have a clue what the Bible says or about original sin,,,,could you please help him to understand it better?
gnawi2002 1 year ago
i already mentioned it and its not hard to understand. If he was a minister and he still doesnt get it then hes just to fucking stupid to get it at all i guess.
griptick 1 year ago
@griptick
He's been a Christian Minister or Preacher for more than 40 years. Surely enough that would count. Now, I guess he knows more than you do.
Jihad37 1 year ago
? Yeah im sure he does then that makes him liar. Pretty simple because he has it WRONG in this video.
griptick 1 year ago
@griptick without any offence , would you please quote the verse in the Bible to proof what you say instead of just arguing and please mention which Bible you are using as unfortunately they are many and contradicting and if you said not contradicting so excuse me you are the LIAR , be fair the Bible itself ( any version ) contradicts itself , simply because people change it , added and removed verses and verse , be fair and brave !
TravelerSinbdad 1 year ago
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zulfitareen 2 years ago
all u people are idiots the end... u can not blame 100% of muslims for being vile and terrorist like for d ignorance of a few... it is not the religion that is bad it is the the people just like in the beginning christians killed n tortured anyone who rejected their religion so does dat mean dey were terrorist n haters too? oh no that means they are just holy men right? because another does it he is a terrorist? wake up n open ur minds der is only one god but religion has beeb changed by man
08Rocky1190 2 years ago
Original Sin caused man to live in a fallen state The punishment of Adam's sin is death--man is doomed to die. This fallen nature has passed onto all flesh, Adam was removed from the tree of life and seperated from God. This sinful nature is the sin of the world Behold the Lamb of God which takenth away the sin of the world. Jesus holds the keys of Hell and of Death. Apostle Paul(Romans 6) talks about remitting this sin of death from our life through baptism in Jesus name making us new creatures
wilby1414 2 years ago
@wilby1414 for God sake you want to tell me that we are all accountable and responsible for what Adam and Eve did , is that fair , does that even make any sense ,
believe me these are your wishes just to be away from the commandments of the Holy Messenger Jesus ( God bless him )
by the way you know that the Bible in your hand ( no matter what version ) has changed ( proven ) and you can never deny that ,
TravelerSinbdad 1 year ago
@TravelerSinbdad your a complete and utter fucking idiot. you have ABSOLUTELY not fucking understanding of the knowledge of good and evil. Therefor your entire idiot fucking rant is /fail.
How has the Bible changed you stupid fucking cumwit? examples of all of the books of the bible from the time they were written that we can compare them to. The native and original and native languages it was written in are overabundantly studied in church throughout the world.
griptick 1 year ago
Again , I'm asking you to continue this discussion in the original Arabic language Mr "I know Islam" , I'm asking you to try and prove your claims using the Muslim scriptures , instead of using western Zionist propaganda .
I expect you next reply will be in the Arabic language .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
You're a nice guy, MANY muslims are & NEVER will strap on a suicide bomb or persecute a Jew or Christian, but you have to be honest with yourself! Your religions founder, history & Quran (that needs hadiths to explain it) are full or persecution, direct HATE for OTHER PEOPLE. Don't make friends, don't help or give charity, be harsh and KILL THEM!
Be honest. You may be a "liberal" Muslim, but your religion is RIPE for EVIL ABUSE BECAUSE Words in the Quran are EASILY TAKEN "out of context".
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
and do I look like a Hamas supporter ? to me they are heretics , and why the hell should I be held account for what the government of Iran does ?? I was protesting and defending their rights to convert , and speaking against Iran , LIKE MOST MUSLIMS DO what were you doing ??
the 6 million Muslims in Africa lie , the one with no statistics at all approved by the African federation , my dad is a consul , and he has evidence against it ! so who should I believe ?
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Muslims spew hate & lies about Christians & Jews at mosque & madrasa daily. Preach PEACE?
God's "partners"? No! Christians DO NOT believe in three God's. Christians believe in ONE TRUE GOD with three eternal, co-existent natures. I know that BLOWS YOUR MIND, but deal with it. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL US WHAT TO BELIEVE.
Islams partners? mohamad, gabriel, allah, "Daughters of Allah" & all the people who actually wrote the quran 100 yrs after mohamad & changed it for a 1000 yrs past that! OUCH!
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
So ?? Ramadan and the Hajj predates Islam and I don't see anything wrong with it , it was performed by the Sabians , people mentioned in the Quran , just like the Jews and Christians .
Islam claims to be the culmination of all faiths , so I dont see a contradiction .
the moon and the star is a BADA , you know what it means right mr I can speak arabic and know Islam ?
and I debunked the Allah moon god,stop repeating yourself
they know NOTHING about christianity , what do you know about ISLAM?
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Muslims say Bible is corrupt? PROVE THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT. You can't. I TRUST IN GOD WHO PROMISED HIS WORD (Message) TO US. The MESSAGE of the Bible is CLEAR and YOU REJECT IT with lame excuses. That will not cut it on judgement day.
The Quran is corrupt, vile & disgusting. The "story" behind islam & mohamad are quite silly and beyond suspect. You can't say islam is FINIAL new & improved version of Judeo-Christianity, than teach the OPPOSITE of everything. Jesus & Moses NEVER prayed to Mecca.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Jesus and Moses were not ordered to pray to Mecca, the order came to Muhammed peace be upon him because the Jews of Arabia thought that he was leading people to their corrupt version of Religion.
Mayer200 2 years ago
"Jesus and Moses were not ordered to pray to Mecca"
"Ordered" WHY? Show me where it says that? Who ordered it? Your stone statue/pagan moon god allah? Mecca, Kaaba, Hajj, Ramadan and 360 pagan idols existed BEFORE islam, including ALLAH. Mohamad used Mecca to get PAGANS to follow him. Mohamad changed praying to Jerusalem for 18 months when he tried to trick Jews to follow his false religion. It was weak, false clear manipulation by a salesman. Mecca & Kaaba was the center of Arab paganism.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
So instead of listening to argument you throw an insult at shabir , very mature and scholarly , if he is a known liar , then who defeated him ?? even Sam Shamoun , the main article writer in answering-islam was humiliated by him .
I really don't give a rats ass if Muhammad was mentioned in YOUR bible , there are evidence that he was and that he is , and the false prophet test applies to Paul.
Like I said Allah is the name of God in Jesus's mother tonge and in the arabic bibles .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
CHAD, a poor, third World Country. Chad doesn't openly persecute/repress Christians as other predominantly Muslim countries do. Chad is 34% Christian, 54% Muslim.
However Algerian Islamic militant groups associated with al-Qaeda & radical clerics from Saudi Arabia, Sudan & Pakistan teaching CRAZY HATE CRAP in Chad!
In Africa Christians ARE killed by Muslim Terrorist & Chruches burned. Why? If Islam is so good it should spread its message of "peace". Well we know that is a lie, don't we.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Lebanese Christians slaughtered thousand of palestineans in Tel al Za'atar and Sabra and Shatila does that mean that Christian morality is a lie?
Mayer200 2 years ago
Stop playing games. ISLAMIC Zealots think it's OK to kill people who disagree with them. They get their fuel for terrorism right from the quran. I'VE READ THE QURAN & SEE WHERE THEY GET THEIR RADICAL IDEAS. Violent Jihad, "Believe or else", one World caliphate islamic dominace BS is echoed in islamic history since 622AD, when mohamad & his merry band of murderers started attacking caravans, forced people believe or be slaughtered, exiled or be slaves paying jiyza "tribute" extortion, screw you.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
@gmcjetpilot All i could say is, so this the all your brain could think of after all. I suggest u do more research and come again with a concrete proof. If possible u could make some short video to show us ur point.
katkoben 2 years ago
If MUSLIMS don't start to reform their cult, not just play lip service to your almost nonexistent objection to terrorism with continued calls of hate against Jews & others, YOU WILL BE DESTROYED. Got it. We're not tribes in the desert. We're big more powerful nations & WILL NOT LET YOUR BS GO ANY LONGER. We'll give you something to really be offended about (in our self defense). Poke a Bear once or twice you might get away with it, but eventually the Bear shreds & eats you, than s#%t you out.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Why do Muslims kill each other ? I dont know , and I'm not willing to know , thats the problem of their respective communities and governments , all I know is that it aint from the Quran or Islam , Why do Jews kill and oppress messianic Jews ? I have no idea , thats their problem , in my country Muslim heretics get fucked up .
and where is your answer to my questions ? Where was the US when the Palestinians were killed ? , I'm not even interested in your answer .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
"I'm not willing to know"
That's honest & TELLING. That's the problem w/ muslims, not WILLING to look at truth. You choose to be lied to, Q5:101-102, don't ask questions.
Jews, Christians, Hindu & Buddhist are NOT flying planes into buildings. Islam is the ONLY "religion" actively in words & deeds that attacks other religions, nations & cultures. Look at the "white-man" & Jews contribution to art, music, academics, medicine, science, technology. Muslims? Exaggerated claims a 1000 yrs ago.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
part 2
Jesus himself spoke aramaic , if you study that language , "Allah" means "God" , if you don't believe me go watch the passion of the christ again .
If Allah is the moon god , then why is his name in the arabic bible over and over again ??? and the christians call Jesus "Ibn Allah" son of god , and the Catholics call Mary "Um Allah" , mother of god....
Get your facts straight , the moon god lies is one of the funniest arguments ever thrown against Islam
Tchado1000 2 years ago
PLEASE SAVE YOUR LINGUISTIC BS and don't tell me Jesus said ALLAH. God is Yahweh in ANY LANGUAGE. Honest "islamic scholars" don't even buy that. Most "Islamic scholars" KNOW nothing but memorize their bs rhetoric. They're brainwashed propaganda parrots.
What's over the MOSQUE? A crescent MOON & STAR. Why? Well much of the PAGAN rituals you do are from the tribe that worshiped the MOON & STARS. ALLAH was ONE of 360 pagan Idols (moon god). FACT. Hajj, Ramadan (new moon), all pre-date islam.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Shabir Ally refute the whole moon god crap in a beautiful way
watch?v=7_dsSz0lTQw
But I'll give you a historical refutation , First of all the moon god in the Kaba is called "AL ILAH" which means "the God" , what does this have to do with "ALLAH" ? is your arabic that bad ?
The pagans even though they worshiped idols , they recognized that there is a creator god , and that God was called "Allah" , and he didn't have an idol.
continue
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Shabir Ally looks retarded or like a devil. Look. He's a KNOWN LIAR. When Honor murders & terrorist acts happen, he doesn't renounce them or muslims. His soul is dead, like Deedat, who's really dead. God struck him down for lying. The other idiot Naik, doesn't even know islam.
They know NOTHING of Jesus or Judeo-Christanity. They're false witnesses. Jesus & Moses NEVER prayed to Mecca. Mohamad & his buddy allah are NEVER mentioned in the Bible, except for the discription of a false prophet.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Ummm , all those verses are not surprisingly out of context , is that all you got ? especially verse 9:29 , Dr.Jamal Badawi can explain it better .
watch?v=DqtNOF2ecLg
Mr.I studied Islam , can you explain these verse as YOU claim they are ?? seriously teach me , perhaps all my studies were just bullshit
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Old Muslims debate 101. It is out of context! Right, OK well I read the original arabic and three English translations and the whole surah, aya's and fatwas from saudi arabia. Don't bull shit me.
Yes all your studies in islam are bullshit. Get a good study bible, with (cross ref and conmentary). These sites will help de program you,
answering-islam org
muslimhope com
investigateislam com
gotquestions org/Muslim-questions
apostatesofislam com/index
faithfreedom org/testimonials
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
No thanks , I study the bible properly , its one of my favorite books , even my christian friends and my fiance (yes she is christian) is teaching it to me.
No its true , context is important , you reading ??? dont bullshit me !! You have no respect for any context what so ever , or even the nature of the Quran , its not a "once upon a time" fairy tale styled book like the bible , its concentrated and unique material .
and by the way all those websites got debunked .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Do you think THE ONE MERCIFUL God will let ANYONE into heaven with hate in their heart? THINK! Many muslims HATE Jews. Why? What did they do? Nothing but be Jews.
I have NO HATE for for Muslims, even TERRORIST. I forgive them, love thy enemy as Jesus taught us.
Islam? It's a false flawed religion that threatens my religion, family, nation and culture. It is responsible for all the terrorism in the World. Yes I WILL FIGHT AGAINST HATE AND MURDERERS AND ABUSERS OF WOMAN AND CHILDREN.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
There is MORE OF US than YOU. We're not going to let you spread your cancer. There are only so many stupid people in the World to believe islam. You are full up on stupid illiterate people.
Mind your own business, stop murdering or reap the whirlwind, in self defense.
Your ideology is flawed and false. It is not compatible with freedom (of religion) & democracy, which is God pleasing. No where was Jesus political. God first, but Jesus said follow the laws, GIVE Caesar his due.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Yeah yeah , you studied Islam , and I'm a white guy with blond hair a blue eyes , every single claim you made has been addressed and refuted , and if your claims were true , I still don't understand why Islam is the fastest growing religoin in the west ?? 70$ of the converts in the US alone are women....I see a contradiction
Tchado1000 2 years ago
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR RACE OR EYE COLOR. I'm not a homosexual like you hajji, who secretly sodomize each other in repressed islamic countries. Islam is sick with prostitutes. Mohamad sucked boys as recorded in the hadith!
I KNOW ISLAM & ARABIC BETTER THAN YOU. I actually READ the Quran, Hadiths, Tafsirs & Fatwas, unlike most Muslims who know NOTHING of their cult, I mean religion. I'm amazed how arrogant muslims are with all the crap your cult causes, you pretend it's all good. Unbelievable
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
O really ? then you don't mind if we continue this discussion in the original language of arabic ?
and I too read Quran, Hadiths, Tafsirs & Fatwas , so why can't I find your crap ???
and that hadith's Isnad is traced back to a Jewish forgery , historical unaccepted , its a rejected hadith , which I am sure you know about .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
You don't don't know Arabic. Only 30% of muslims know classical Arabic. I have the Quran on my computer, three main English translations, advanced Arabic translation software. Many Arabic speaking Christians (ex-Muslims) know Arabic well, some are on youtube. I know the GAMES muslims play with Arabic to make grand ridiculous quran science claims (lies). I'll go with ISLAMIC scholars & their English translations. Any laugange can be translated. If not than why did ALLAH choose it? Silly muslims.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
"Islam is fastest growing religoin in the west"
Muslims play this game. PROVE IT and who cares, but it's not true.
There's 6.3 billion people in the WORLD. Islam is only 1/5th of the World 21% or 1.3 billion, most in the poorest, most illiterate repressed violent places. YES they breed like rats, but that is offset by Muslims killing each other.
Christianity is 35% or 2.2 billion, or 69% larger than islam. Hindu and Buddhist who hate Islam is another 20%. 5 billion against 1.3 billion.
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
I think we both stand on different political grounds here , that kind of discussion will take us nowhere and I'm not interested in it , but I'm still down with a discussion about the Quran and the bible.
and did you forget that I condemn 9/11 ?? and many of us do ?? and 97% of all Muslim declared bin laden as a heretic and condemned his actions ?
All I was saying is that the Palestinians have a right to dance , since you people support their killers .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
97% of your statistics are out your ass; the other 3%=total BS. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER ME. WHY DO MUSLIMS KILL OTHER MUSLIMS?
*ALL* NON-COMBATANT MUSLIMS KILLED, ARE KILLED BY OTHER MUSLIMS.
*People* killed accidentally in combat zones are always compensated. The West, we morn their death & try to minimize these losses at our own peril. We agonize over waterboarding 2 top terrorist. Muslims behead people with a knife, bare handed & film it. Muslims don't care & use death for propaganda. Sick!
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
I told you I don't know , and I'm not willing to justify what 2% of all Muslim who are deemed as heretics do , that's the problem of their respective governments , there is nothing radical going on in my country , because the government fucks them up , and I think other nations should do the same .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Israel is defending itself. They've been attack by 5 major military offensives with as many as 5 Arab countries attacking at once. Out numbered 3 to one the Jews won. Where is ALLAH? 2003 to 2008 there was 999 Israeli's murdered by 1000's of terrorist attacks. That is why there are walls/check points. Gaza? ARABS LOST LAND WHEN THEY ATTACKED ISRAEL IN 1948, '56, '67, '73 & 2000. Muslims say NO israel of ANY kind is the ONLY solution. OK have it your way, WE'LL KILL YOU IN SELF DEFENSE. YOU LOST!
gmcjetpilot 2 years ago
Jews are the chosen people of God ?? WHO THE FUCK IS THIS RACIST GOD ??? What kind of God has "chosen" people ?? PERHAPS SATAN !
Covenant ?? again who the fuck is this God ?? this is extreme racism beyond even my imagination !! of course this is GOD BEING RACIST .
Did God promise the Jews any land ? Did god promise them ANYTHING ?? HOAX OF THE PROMISED LAND !
watch?v=q5jJdnQk9CU
I prefer a God that sees everyone as equal.
Tchado1000 2 years ago