My thoughts on Climategate, Darwin/Hitler connection, and why ID fails to me

[ELMOcall911]

have you considered this Darwin had connections to many secret society and by having so His idea was "made" much more popular and if you had read some of his earlier writing it literrally sound that he is going against his own theory's. Francis Crick THE FOUNDER OF DNA literrally claimed that our DNA is far complex to have evolved randomly, Research Alan Alford pointed out WE HAVE 200,000 years missing in the evolutionary time scale if you go by Darwins standard...

[HoustonAtheist]

@ELMOcall911 not really. Your argument is tripe and speculation. I took the time to read up on what you stated and find sources. Francis Crick purposed that life could have been planted here by aliens. But, he also was out spoken on Creationism he joined a group of other Nobel laureates who advised that, "'Creation-science' simply has no place in the public-school science classroom."

[HoustonAtheist]

And about Darwin. If a person changes there view due to finding evidence that their prior views are wrong is a good thing. Its when someone believing things and they will never change their minds even when a gross amount of evidence is to the contrary. It is then I no longer trust that persons objectiveness to the pursuit of truth.

[skydome29]

@ELMOcall911Newton was part of a secret society, is gravity now called into question? Crick never said that.

[truckcompany]

Do you know where i could find the video where Pat Robertson says those controversial comments about Dover?

[HoustonAtheist]

I never found the video clip of it. But, if you google Pat Robertson Dover. The first link is the Fox News report on it.

[OneCourageous]

The clues are leading to a whistle blower b/c the emails seemed to have come from the intranet. (Company only information).

Also the East Anglia Scientists responded yes those are our emails but are taken out of context. They admitted it.

Either way the thought of a carbon tax blows my mind. I think our governments are conspiring and I dont like it.

[Symbolc0729]

You dont ever wonder why they dont talk about real pollution?You know why they tax people by the mile who drive a car? Carbon dioxide is made from natural process'. Like burning and breathing..Cars emit carbon monixde which is 1 molecule short of oxegen. Which is lighter and not a greenhouse gas. What about methane? Thats a real greenhouse gas.Why is carbon dioxide the enemy? More c02 is released from the Ice is the earth warms. Co2 doesnt trigger the warming its a side effect of warming.

[Symbolc0729]

"isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?

Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"

Maurice Strong.

These is an old agenda playing out for us to see. The stolen emails show that they know its not as serious as they purport but it makes it obvious that theyve even deleted the original data requested from the FOIA request. We dont have any idea if what theyre telilng us is true now. You are not old enough to remember the impending ice-age.

[HoustonAtheist]

I like you tenacity. Just to play the devils advocate on the impending ice-age. Where do we get our data on ice-ages? Like frequencies, duration, severity, and so forth? And discipline for science interprets this data and reports this to the masses?

[Symbolc0729]

Well. The ice-ages happen regularly. It shows on the ice-core records, fossils, etc. The Holocene Optimum or maxim was the hottest time in recorded history and that happened in the 1400s. They deliberatly elminiated from history  when they did thier presentations. In order to make the latest warming trend look more dramatic. That was one fallacy that was exposed a few years ago. They were making these same claims almost 40 years ago now but it was global cooling and not global warming.

[Symbolc0729]

the mideval warm period would be in the 1400s the holocen optimum was before. Just wanted to make that correction.

[Symbolc0729]

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The second one features Stephen Scheider who is on the IPCC and a huge advocate of global warming. I shit you not. This is why its so funny. My goal is not to convince you of an ice-age. Im trying to show you these people are lying to us. They know we have no control over it. There are people who have politicized these ideas and bought them with grant money have influence over the results. Thats why this is happening.

[Symbolc0729]

Maurice Strong:

"The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security."

[IAMJESUSmovie]

Jesus Christ has returned. I AM.

[Voidka]

Hacking is a dishonest skill? No, it is not. Malicious hacking is, but hacking in and of itself is not. There is a huge difference.

[HoustonAtheist]

Can you tell me what hacking is? I can read the of definition hacking. But, I will ask this. What are some examples of an honest hacking? Maybe you can enlighten me.

[Symbolc0729]

Well. A serious question for once. Ill be more then glad to oblidge. This is why its a big deal. The IPCC is the UN's enviro programs main project. The UN enviro program was created by a lovely person known as Maurice Strong. Perhaps youve heard of him? UEA or the university where the emails were hacked was the central source of thier climatological reasearch for the UN, EPA, NASA. etc. You might not know but these emails surfaced nov 23rd. 2 weeks befoer the copenhagen treaty.

[Symbolc0729]

Well. The Copenhagen treaty is tryin to set up a global government for one. Also to legitamize carbon trading on a mass scale. They passed cap and trade here while everyone was focused on micheal jackson. Which is the framework needed for Obama to sign the copenhagen treaty. The senate wont pass it. So they used the EPA to make an endangerment finding to try to force legislation. Nasa is being sued as we speak for FOIA requests for thier data. The UEA scientists deleted emails and data ....

[abaddon5]

Dude, I still can't understand why you don't have more subscribers.

[Larsinger58]

ID -- I think under the circumstances, that probably thinking patterns are involved with atheism vs creationism. That is, that atheists might not be able to perceive God through ID but only through some supernatural personal experience with God. It's fascinating that God is obvious to creationists but not to atheists.

Why would God blind the atheists to himself? I think it is a test to show that humans can be moral without religion. Atheists are beautiful.

[Larsinger58]

The problem with Darwin and Nazis is not selective breeding but the promotion that the Aryan race was a superior breed than other humans. The "master race" superior to others is the objection, just as you said, B.S. I believe Darwinism serviced Nazism but both are linked to the Mysteries and Mithraism which was highly white supremacist.

[Symbolc0729]

The scientists admiteed the emials were real. As well as the new york times reporter who was in correspondence with them. The main scientist already stepped down. You imply the emails are fake and the hackers were dishonest yet claim to be neutral. How about using computer programs to manipulate data in a way that would hide the decline in temprature? Thats not dishonest? Were lucky those hackers exposed those people who planned to enslave you. .

[Symbolc0729]

You also start off by saying that Hitler and Darwin had nothin in common. You are more right when you start off. Then you start saying hitler practiced selected breeding. Which shows you agree with racial superiority.  Eventhough you claim to call bs on it. Hitlers "products of selected breeding" got thier asses handed to them in ther own olympics. It was debunked. They believed blond hair blueeyed people should rule all others and the other races must die. Which ivery far from Darwin .

[HoustonAtheist]

Symbolc, because of your inability to comprehend the things discussed. Let me debunk you. 1.The main scientist already stepped down Yes he did. Why? Because he did not want to interfere with the investigation. He can step back up at anytime. 2. You imply the emails are fake and thehackers were dishonest yet claim to be neutral No I did not! I implied that I dont trust hackers in general and I would hold off on make a decision until I know more.

[Symbolc0729]

Eugenics used darwinism for its own agenda. So selective breeding is an old technique that all your trying to say fine. Royalty would be a much better example of "selective breeding". Royalty would breed in thier own familys even. Olded practice. Still done. However. They cant seem to produce any more intelegent people or any more athletic then anyone else. In fact they seem less so.. They rule by divine right only. Does every dog in a litter come out as good or smart as its parent?

[HoustonAtheist]

I would have to disagree with you on Royalty being a good example of selective breeding. The main concern with royalty is preservation of a bloodline with little to no concern of traits.

Darwin debunked the core Nazi ideology long before they infested the world.

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most responsive to change.

- Charles Darwin

[HoustonAtheist]

3. How about using computer programs to manipulate data in a way that would hide the decline in temperature? Thats not dishonest? Were lucky those hackers exposed those people who planned to enslave you. This shows you disposition. Now if you can keep up with the conversation.

[HoustonAtheist]

4. Which shows you agree with racial superiority I never once compare or advocate anything based on RACE. I was talking about breeding techniques and how they have been around for a long time. I called BS on the idea of superior race! I hope you are keeping up.

[HoustonAtheist]

Not, defending Hitler or his cause but how many generations did he get breed his superior race? Not even 1. But, of course you knew that already or maybe not because your comment says otherwise.

[Symbolc0729]

Yea. They kill all of them or something? Anyway. Myabe there was something to it because Pope Ratzinger or Benedict was one of his youngsters. WHile im not gonna go back and forth copy and pasting We werent talking about flu shots. Your biases showed and i called you on them. You reaffirmed what i suspected with this comment. If you dont really know why the leaked emails are a big deal your welcome to ask Why I think they are because it doesnt seem you know about that either.

[HoustonAtheist]

I do know why the emails are a big deal. It could be part of a much bigger problem (as I said in the video). And all I want is the truth. Regardless of what the out come maybe or did you miss that. You made up my bias for me. Showing you have failed to call me on anything. I exposed you on yours my friend. Talking about we'er lucky the emails were leak to exposed the people before they enslaved us. These people are guilty in your eyes and you would like to hang them before the trail.

[HoustonAtheist]

Have a set on the sidelines and stop embarrassing yourself. Whats next you going to tell me about the mercury in the flu shot?

[Gripen1974]

As i see the E-mails is the qoutes from them "qoute mining" and out of context.

But i agree with you this should be looked into, but remember it is many more scientists that say global warming is true then this ppl that had their computers hacked.

I know we are up for a climate change, if it is man made or not i am not sure on but i am not ready to rule it out.

[dangolingo]

31,000 scientists are suing Al Gore for his fraudulent science. The climate is always changing and never static, we are always up/down for a climate change. Satellite Temperature data measuring heat in the troposphere shows evidence of a slight cooling trend since 2001.

[Gripen1974]

I only know that the climate around where i live has changed alot in 50 years for i got my dads dairies where he write temprature and weather every day.

And seen pictures of me as a kid 1-10 with around 90 cm of snow this time of the year, now hasnt the ground frozen and it is all rainy mud. When i was 18 could i drive my car on the ice on the local lakes, the last 3 years hasnt the lakes froze over.

Gore i dont trust, he is all media jippo over him, but that dont rule out that climae change

[theanswersofnwo3]

Sacramento CA, is having record cold temperatures. The weather changes everywhere and it always does. You will get colder again.

[Symbolc0729]

Climate change is real. The human effect on climate change is exagerrated. There are cyclical ice-ages every 100,000 years. There are also intermittent warming and cooling periods.  Have you seen Apocalypto?.. The best way i can compare it is.. is the sun priest alledging to make the sun come out after the eclypse because he stopped killing people. That may not sound right if you havent seen the movie. Those priests had a little less control over the sun then we have over our climate.