Paragliding 'Feet Wet' @ Sea Splash, 11th April 2008

[carot2003]

Very good, nice video..

[Kostaaa8]

After this video I start to paragliding.... :)

[HellbourneProject]

oh my Precision paragliding without the rules of BHPA uncertified wheres your helmet!! and wht about if you have an accident?

[murrayhay]

BHPA 'trained' pilots (can have as little as 20 mins AIRTIME by the time they are given their CP rating) certainly, as can be seen in their accident, injury & death rates, NEED every bit of PASSIVE safety EQ they can buy!

The KEY to avoiding accidents is DON'T train with incompetent instructors who GENERATE the 'normal' accident rates...

[yamototo]

Nice one murray, i dont think you get the credit you deserve, this video is pure skill and pure class!!!. I Have got your contact details and will be booking a few lessons at the end of april. Its also nice to see someone standing out against a pretend authority like the bhpa.Nice one mate.

[morey000]

I try not to judge what is safe for others. The fact that I even fly HGs and PGs is considered very unsafe by most people. What I'm sure of is that that location would be a very unsafe place for ME to fly, given my skill level and risk tolerance. Murray's clearly a different level pilot than I, so I won't judge what is safe for HIM. Nevertheless, that's not a site or conditions for the average pilot. Which is why it makes for a good video.

A bit of music would have helped!

[murrayhay]

Yep, by the way a few of my students (once over 10hr training) have also flown parts of this site.... BUT of course with the tide out! (AND with the wind 5kts less ;-)

After the press chap filmed this (with the sun out :-) I did a lot of low level passes, flying out 50-70ft and then skimming the waves tops cross/down wind for him to shoot (still) photographs, he was going to send copies of the best ones but never did :-(

[murrayhay]

NOTE: My 'Risk Tolerance' is VERY low, which is why I fly comp of (modified) DHV 2/3 & DHV 3 wings (the do EXACTLY what the pilot tells them to do!)

PS Most of my students buy 'high end' DHV 1-2 or '2' wings as their first wing for the same reason, control!

[raveydv]

1-You ain't gonna hurt anybody but yourself, 2-Maybe there's something in some of what you say (You DO have a lot to say about yourself, which makes me naturally suspicious)

Where can I read more about your BHPA allegations please?

(Otherwise - nice video {control aspect? nothing special, seen better})

Regards - Dave

[murrayhay]

1) It's not happend yet in 4,000+ hours flying on modified 'DHV 3/2 or comp' wings...

2) Yep, that is why 75% of my students are EX-bhpa 'pilots' that come to me to RE-train..

Note. My students have also included PPL instructors and airline pilots...

I would be intrested to see any clips that are in your opinion 'seen better'....!

[ollycopter]

@murrayhay Paragliding extreme glider control 3 is a pretty good example of very good control.. Am sure you will find fault.

By the way, whats your take on the Ozone wings with the rods (whatever is is) in the wing tips? Adds safety which can only be good, or is it more passive safety? Shit we should take off the brakes, its too passive!! ;-)

[murrayhay]

Hi Ollycopter 'extreme glider conrtol 3'?

Rods in gliders is very old tech, that with some designers is back in vogue these days. I've flown a number of wings from the start of the 90's with this tech.... overall 'rigid', ESPECIALLY in the tip area = I would be VERY careful flying wings like that!

FWIW 'rigid' in the centre section of the span would mainly give me concern in the launch/landing phase of high wind flying.

I've test GH'ed, Launched, Flown, Landed (in thermic) 'Hands Free' :-)

[murrayhay]

Hi Ollycopter, yep I wondered if it was 'Super Dell' Mr. Chicken Flapping accident waiting to happen...

As usual he is a BIT better than average regarding what he manages to do...and is WELL BELOW the standard I would find acceptable in a student part way through training.

Dell has some VERY odd views on the way the world works, some are cultural (religion) which he lets badly distort classical physics to suit his religion...

Try asking Dell about 'How we measure time' ;-)

[raveydv]

Hi Murray,

At first I was horrified at what I was seeing; no helmet in such strong conditions. My personal view? It ain't clever, however I'm curious and open minded enough to realise;

[murrayhay]

Hi Dave. While the wind this day is a few knots above that in your clip 'Lift me up', neither the site nor the conditions were any great chalange, just a nice easy hour or two flying at 4 sites while heading back down the coast to Dundee after a biz meeting near Aberdeen.

NB A helmet, esp a light weight PG one provides VERY minimal protection, as 95% of the theory I teach directly contridicts what BHPA pilots are taught my 'accident risk exposure' is significantly (about 95%!) reduced!

[JanScheumer]

Supercool. Is it in Scotland?

[murrayhay]

Hi Jan, this is at Montrose, a harbour town on the NE coast of Scotland half way between Dundee & Aberdeen. The stretch of coast is mainly SE facing, (prevailing wind direction in UK is SW) we often fly 'SeaBreeze' at these sites.

[CLayaway1]

also are all PG harness's layback sit in types? Is there any like a normal skydiver would have where you hang vertically? I'm looking at getting into this sport, and I'm trying to find out as much as I can before I take lessons.

[murrayhay]

Hi, regarding skydiver body position v layback.

For paraglder 'type approval' test ratings it is important to note the type of harness permited (i.e. 'GH' or 'GX') is specified, flying a 'safe' paraglider but rigged on to a skydiving se up would render the glider un-certified... with both PG harness types the risers are attached about waist height rather than shoulder height. However the majority of PG pilots sit far more upright than I would ever do in flight (significant safety issues!)

[CLayaway1]

I'm glad you didn't ruin your video by putting loud music with it. I like to hear the wind and the sound of the paraglider. Thanx mate

[BenQueensland]

So what was the correction you made to the harness and how did the manufacturer respond?

[murrayhay]

We have seen with a No. of other harnesses (types) in the past the issue commonly arises from the route the 'safety' leg straps take, a fairly simple modification of the pathway, some adjustment of strap length (within avaliable range) and additional guide stitched in (non load bearing) base of the seat (normaly below seat board) generaly provides a partial fix, Duncan had this type of problem with a 'Air Bag' harness VERY Dangerous to use when the pilot is upright! Fine once the 'Fix' done :-)

[BenQueensland]

Thanks for the reply Murray. I appreciate hearing of anything that can improve the safety of flying. You have inspired me to have a more critical look at my harness. You made me think and evaluate another aspect of the safety of my harness.

ps Murray bagging out the bhpa all the time can distract from the good message you have the ability to deliver. There are two ways of shaping your words - either as a negative or a positive. Fell free to let the good vibes out. :-)

[murrayhay]

Re: 'bagging out', Hi Ben the problem is that 95% of what I teach DIRECTLY CONTRIDICTS BHPA training, so it is hard not to point out the dangers of 'normal' training.. By the way... I first pointed out ten years ago that IF the BHPA were to STOP teaching the theory they DO teach they could EASILY see a 40% cut in PG accident rates, while changing BOTH the theory AND 'practical' (flight/ground work) training could result in a 90% drop in accidents, that is a LOT of lives affected..

[hghazoly]

this guy is one of the best

i believe he is on the right track

keep the good work

do you train para towing?

i will be glad to learn towing from you if possible

[murrayhay]

Hi Currently we don't do winch (tow) launching, however there are plans in the future for both HG training and PG winch training, I do limited PPG training as well for those with their own motor.

[xckelly]

why no helmet man? lots of things to bounce off nearby if you ask me.

[murrayhay]

"bounce off" WHY would I end up bouncing off anything... in case you did not know I did NOT 'train' with the BHPA (so I avoided all their incompitent errors!) which is how I have safely flown over 3,500 Hrs in the last ten years!

I ONLY ever wear a helmet if using one of my the 'helmet cams' (or in very cold weather).

[OzoneFlyer]

Lol there you go again what make me laugh you have a higher accident rate in % than the BHPA and i bet there is more but you have put them down to the BHPA Lmao

I love Paragliding and ppl like you make the sport look bad you are a good pilot but you are not superman you could of split your head open ;)

[murrayhay]

So do you also think it 'funny' that BHPA training standard keeps generating a lot of accident, injuries and deaths.. The truth is killing and injuring BHPA pilots makes the sport 'look bad'! Over 3,500 hours AVOIDING BHPA theory/practice/procedures and flying modified wings that started as comp or DHV 2/3 tends to indicate I am highly unlikely to 'split my head open' (unlike BHPA 'pilots'!

[OzoneFlyer]

Omg read it again you have a higher accident rate then the BHPA so do you think that's "Funny" you are a con artist praying on ppl that have hurt them self's and saying its all the BHPAs fault and yet they are still getting hurt..

What a way to make money

Its funny your right and the rest of the world is wrong lol

It is because its the BHPA and not the SHPA lol

[murrayhay]

You are both wrong in your 'facts' (accident rates) and clearly incompitent when it comes to understanding even the most basics in aviation, 70 + BHPA deaths and THOUSANDS of injured BHPA pilots clearly show this to be the truth. Those like you have been sprouting the same old nonsense for ten years and all you have done is help MAINTAIN the BHPA death/injury rates at their appaling level.

[BenQueensland]

This is second video with no helmet. In the other he had no leg straps too!!!

Dudes wear a helmet when you fly.

[murrayhay]

The 'no leg straps' was testing a harness for another pilot (ex-student). The harness has SERIOUS safety problems when the pilot is upright, as it in effect changes from a GH (approved for his glider) to a GX type (NOT safe to use with that glider!) The ONLY way to check the cause of the problem was to fly with the leg straps disconnected..

NB. PG Helmets ONLY provide some VERY limited PASSIVE protection, the single best way to stay safe is through theory/practice changes!

[FegrusMojo]

Awesome !

Excellent control :)

[flyingdan111]

It just doesn't get any better than this.

[murrayhay]

I don't know about that Dan... at this time in the evening the Ice Cream shop there is shut! And even when open they don't (as far as I know) sell even frozen (not that it is cold in Scotland ;-) Haggis let alone the freshly caught variety! Hope to meet up soon, all the best to all the girls.