Would it be more effective to take the back with the beginning stages of this sweep? With your opponents arm across his body and your hand on his belt, can't you just bring your hips out and pull his belt ending up in back control? That is my favorite thing to do, but I always try it in closed guard, I've never tried it like this.
people still have blinkers on when it comes to the ground game, their lack of knowledge on a true dominate ground game, is not BJJ. what would have happen if Gracie placed judo players in early UFC when they were promoting BJJ, instead of not accepting many judo applications from around the world, anyone could see, boxing and most stand up arts would not win against BJJ,funny that not one judo players who had any real titles was ever accepted in UFC, unitll now,and look whats happen, judo wins
I dont understand all the BJJ hate either, both are awesome arts and basically two sides to the same coin, they could both learn a huge amount from each other.
BUT for all the BJJ haters out there, name me 3 kosen players that have been successful in MMA compared to the dozens of BJJ guys. A good competitive BJJ black belt would tear these kosen guys to pieces, and there are 100s of good competitive BJJ black belts.
@thomasohare The reason Judokas dislike BJJ is because the Gracies and BJJ students rarely give credit to Judo. They say anything done on the ground was founded by BJJ. They don't tell anyone that the person who taught the Gracies was a Judoka.
Can a BBJ black belt belt defeat a Judo black belt? Sure. Can a Judo black belt defeat a BJJ? Yes, again.
You made a good point until your last paragraph. Helio Gracie lost to Masahiko Kimura but they call it a "moral victory."
@Football10Fan Royce Gracie lost to Yoshida in their first meeting, but couldn't admit it and complained and displayed very poor sportsmanship. Later Royce was disqualified for a match with Sakura because of a banned substance found in testing, say reports.
It's just about giving credit where credit is do. Anyone can beat anyone, it is just about being a good sport about it.
The Gracies are not the most likeable when it comes to things like that and by extension BJJ.
you do realize that judo isn't original either right? oh noes, Kano assimilated a bunch of techniques and adapted them into his own system, doesn't sound like the Gracies at all..
I highly doubt anyone's trying to take credit for coming up with the techniques, judo included. Adaptation into a new system is a completely different thing
So now judo people take BJJ created techniques and give it out as if they invented it themselves... If not gracies there would be no ground game ANYWHERE! Judo/karate guys ( same thing really) go back to your board breaking and bruce lee movies.
You guys act like every ground move was invented in judo or jiujitsu. Grappling has been around since before man. The original jiujitsukas stole them from somewhere, developed and renamed them, just as Kano did with judo. And now you get pissed because BJJ:ers took techniques and developed further on them and renamed them.
@Fritzlardig Actually Japanese Jujutsu was developed by Japanese... as Japan really had no outside influences. The principles of Ju and Aiki I have seen only in Japan. And I have seen many grappling systems.
Yeah no outside influence. Tell me again what characters you use to write jujutsu and where they came from. Also the concepts of ju and aiki exist in all grappling, explicitly or not. Any high level grappler develops a 'feel' for where the opponents strength is directed and can work around it instead of against it.
But it's a null point anyhow since grappling pre-dates any culture or civilization.
@Fritzlardig Why are you asking me about Language? When we are talking about Japanese Jujutsu. And I don't really think you understand the concepts of Ju and Aiki to make that call. As you think it's just "working around strength"
It's not about working around his strength. It's actually about accepting his strength. That's the mistake most people that don't have true understanding of Japanese concepts and classical bujutsu think. -cont
@Fritzlardig As I accept his strength I will launch a counterattack while he is preoccupied with his attack.
This concept is extremely similar and coincides with the concept of Aiki. the concept of "Ai" which is to join and then "ki" which is an inner energy. A westerner might view this as a "life force" but it's not quite the same. With Aiki I can become one with his attack in and use his own attack to destroy him. So I give him exactly what he wants... just not in the way he wanted.
Amazing how many judo guys hate BJJ, I started in Judo but I let it because prefer BJJ and believe it or not even in the same techniques there are little details and most Judo schools will never defeat top world BJJ schools on the ground, being the time they practice one of themost logic reasons, they won't let Tachiwaza to do more ground. Kashiwazaki is the man anyway, beatiful Tomoe Nague.
I train BJJ and judo (which I consider two sides of the same coin). What's funny is that I remember people claiming that judo had no sweeps from the guard, etc. Truth be told, the Gracies did not learn some secret from of jujutsu, they just learned judo in it's ne waza glory days and then was not negatively affected when the world began screwing judo up for the same of an exciting spectator sport. In my opinon, the Gracies were more retainers of knowledge than innovators. But that has changed,
@iJITSU good way of stating it. BJJ is nothing more than traditional judo before it became more of a sport BUT there are still many dojos out there (especially in former USSR due to Sambo influence & eastern Europe & Japan) where newaza is still very crucial to the art. USA has lost much of it's newaza but because of BJJ it's turning now. I'd say 5-10 more years and most if not all Judo schools will beat most if not all BJJ skills on the top or on the ground.
this is amazing stuff!! no need to hate guys. bjj figureheads recognize their lineage from judo and simply consider it a different flavor. i've never had any formal judo training but that does not mean I can't appreciate the genius of people like kashiwazaki. thanks so much for hosting these vids trixthor!
@ChinaHoovers LOL....funny, LMAO...cheeky....you don't have to look far into BJJ (um...the name) to get a hint of where it's from...yet guys are so surprised that we practice BJJ techniques like armbars when they visit my judo dojo...to their credit, the marketing package was successful indeed
I saw your comment before i watched the video and thought hmm ok maybe there is some truth to your statement, and then i see the video and go... but thats just standard judo how is that something learned from bjj?
BJJ is Judo that focuses more on the Newaza (ground fighting) aspects of judo than the standing (tachiwaza) aspects. Look up Kosen Judo when you get a chance.
@asdfero you are right, that's 100% correct. It's not actually finding a newaza academy, it's finding a Judo academy that emphasizes 50% stand up and 50% ground grappling is hard .. many USA dojos practice 75% up and 25% ground ... that's wrong but the major influence of BJJ ground grappling has definitely plaid a major role in "waking" up many dojos through out the country into practicing more ground grappling.
kashiwazaki sensei invent own techniques. Not copy but base adapt then modify to own judo style through hard training and development. He is great judo teacher.
It's old judo .. or just a different part of the full judo curriculum.
of course brazilians have brought a good sporting competitive attitude and dedication to practice ... like with football ... but didnt "invent" it.
Google "George Mehdi judo" "M. Tripp judo history"
It's japanese judo practiced a certain way is all. A tactical and trraining emphasis on newaza. it is still practiced this way in some dojos in Japan.
Even when they focus on different areas, the techniques that they apply are almost the same, most of these techniques were particulary invented many centuries before bjj or judo, and all the techniques have been improving since by the past of time, give me a break that they are totally different from each other, the only things are style either the rules what makes so differenced from each other as you say ..pal
doubt it; Kano Sensei and his students put together a lot of the judo techniques and developed them through randori; for example harai goshi hane goshi uchimata ucimata kaeshi and sukashi; are not these all modern developments, progression of expertise as a result of randori, not kata as was drilled before judo.
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There is a lot off BJJ hate going on now and days! Wow, some of you guys sound really mad. Is it because you have had your arm busted or have been choked out by a BJJ judoka!(lmao) I currently study Jiu Jitsu and have some background in Judo (small, very small). I also have some background in Ryu JuJitsu. What makes laugh more is that most of you idiots fail to realize that BJJ and Judo are fruits of the same tree and thats Jujitsu. The techniques focus on different areas of combat for success.
Jujitsu itself is an off shoot of Bohidarmas teachings in Yoga that became the grounds for Kung fu. How are Carlo's and Helio Gracie any different than Jigoro Kano. These men were great philosphical practitioners of their arts. I say this because that's exactly what any martial art comes down to. No matter how many fancy labels or names you place on an art it is still a combat art. The GOALS and PHILOSOPHY of each are different. Thus the way they are paracticed.
Very different; Carlos Gracie is a student of one of Kano shihans best (Maeda.) He brought randori to jujitsu, so called it judo. Gracie copied the prewar style, and was a high level judoka before breaking with his teacher/s and going his own pathway. Commerce attitude is vastly different; and the lies and half truths on his first promotional videos could only be described as inflammatory and disrespectful from the top. Causing fights on a beach and filming them...to make a point, dodgey.
Carlos and Helio Gracie are not Judoka, Those people have been copy and lerning from others style for years and making for them self big money and tell lies to their own student.
I´ve spoke with one former Brasilian Jiu jitsu black belt, this guy told me, back in 1980´s Royce Gracie challenge on japanese Karate master for Okinawa " Goju Ryu style" the match went bad for Royce Gracie got broken 4 ribs with only one kick, Royce gracie lost the fight. 1984 - 1986.
and also Helio Gracie lost to famous Judoka legend Kimura in Brazil, Kimura broke his arm and because he was so ignorant Helio wanted to carry on with a broken arm, they cant take loosin those Gracies and everything they know comes from either Judo or Jui Jutsu, all they've done is call it brazillian Jui Jitsu, they're frauds.
that right friend, money talks!..... Royce and Company backs in 80´s want challenge Gokor Haystan grappling, but some one warn royce not to fight him, gracie was scare about this guys!
Bas Rutten, Gokor Chivycian challenge rickson and Royce gracie, but gracie never took the fight!
search Kimura and Helio fight and it shows one of the best Judokas in the world fighting Helio Gracie and the Judoka breaks his arm in the fight and even knock him out for a few seconds.
Yep, but I don"t get mad anymore, when my old partners judocas ask me why I haven"t go to Judo since January 2008 I said: AH now I "m doing BJJ Blasphemy!!!! That is just a Judo copy and BLA BLA BLA . I don"t care , I will always respect Judo but I enjoy BJJ and Grappling muche more, that"s all.
Judo originated from, Jujitsu, JJ originated in japan during the feudal ages so soldiers could still defend themselves with out a weapon in combat, least they be disarmed, Judo was functionally formed in the 19th century as a combative sport, based off JJ. Judo literally translates to "The Gentle Way" Both are excellent forms of Martial arts neither better nor worse than the other. Rules are what make the arts different, not the function
It's good to see these techniques from judo because it shows that judokas also have good Ne Waza techniques. Where did you got your hands on this video. Thanks for posting!
No doubt, I started out in BJJ but I've recently started going to Judo too. At least from the BJJ side, there's no animosity, we respect and consider Judo a sister art of Jiutjitsu. Hopefully both systems will continue getting closer to each other, which will bring a new generation of grappling monsters, lol.
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Bravo Faby, this is exactly what I mean about the openess and philosophy of BJJ practitioners! All Judokas focus on are the unfounded "superiority" of judo and not the superiority of the practioner. I enjoy both arts for the different philosphies they possess. It's BJJ bashing that gives Judo such a bad name.
Why so close mind??? In places like Brasil is usual see people training in both sports even if this technique is in BJJ with other name who cares, Judo wasn"t the first one, nobody knows for sure where the techniques come from. I did one year of Judo and it helped me a lot now in BJJ, both are great arts.
Would it be more effective to take the back with the beginning stages of this sweep? With your opponents arm across his body and your hand on his belt, can't you just bring your hips out and pull his belt ending up in back control? That is my favorite thing to do, but I always try it in closed guard, I've never tried it like this.
rsackett86 4 months ago
people still have blinkers on when it comes to the ground game, their lack of knowledge on a true dominate ground game, is not BJJ. what would have happen if Gracie placed judo players in early UFC when they were promoting BJJ, instead of not accepting many judo applications from around the world, anyone could see, boxing and most stand up arts would not win against BJJ,funny that not one judo players who had any real titles was ever accepted in UFC, unitll now,and look whats happen, judo wins
mickcuttas 8 months ago 3
I dont understand all the BJJ hate either, both are awesome arts and basically two sides to the same coin, they could both learn a huge amount from each other.
BUT for all the BJJ haters out there, name me 3 kosen players that have been successful in MMA compared to the dozens of BJJ guys. A good competitive BJJ black belt would tear these kosen guys to pieces, and there are 100s of good competitive BJJ black belts.
thomasohare 8 months ago
@thomasohare The reason Judokas dislike BJJ is because the Gracies and BJJ students rarely give credit to Judo. They say anything done on the ground was founded by BJJ. They don't tell anyone that the person who taught the Gracies was a Judoka.
Can a BBJ black belt belt defeat a Judo black belt? Sure. Can a Judo black belt defeat a BJJ? Yes, again.
You made a good point until your last paragraph. Helio Gracie lost to Masahiko Kimura but they call it a "moral victory."
Football10Fan 8 months ago 3
@Football10Fan Royce Gracie lost to Yoshida in their first meeting, but couldn't admit it and complained and displayed very poor sportsmanship. Later Royce was disqualified for a match with Sakura because of a banned substance found in testing, say reports.
It's just about giving credit where credit is do. Anyone can beat anyone, it is just about being a good sport about it.
The Gracies are not the most likeable when it comes to things like that and by extension BJJ.
Football10Fan 8 months ago 3
you do realize that judo isn't original either right? oh noes, Kano assimilated a bunch of techniques and adapted them into his own system, doesn't sound like the Gracies at all..
I highly doubt anyone's trying to take credit for coming up with the techniques, judo included. Adaptation into a new system is a completely different thing
Manhammock 9 months ago
Whats with all the Gracie/BJJ hate on here?
Both arts are great in their own way.
I dont understand this childish BJJ hate.
SkemeKOS 10 months ago
So now judo people take BJJ created techniques and give it out as if they invented it themselves... If not gracies there would be no ground game ANYWHERE! Judo/karate guys ( same thing really) go back to your board breaking and bruce lee movies.
electronikita 1 year ago
@electronikita
Lol, you just got owned. Brazilian jiu jitsu comes from Judo and the japanese jiu jitsu. It is the Gracies that stole moves from the japanese.
TheEastasianpride 11 months ago 3
@TheEastasianpride Oh man I forgot about this troll-vid! FEED MORE NEXT TIME PLZ! (judo yellow belt myself)
electronikita 11 months ago
You guys act like every ground move was invented in judo or jiujitsu. Grappling has been around since before man. The original jiujitsukas stole them from somewhere, developed and renamed them, just as Kano did with judo. And now you get pissed because BJJ:ers took techniques and developed further on them and renamed them.
Lol, butthurt hypocrites.
Fritzlardig 1 year ago 2
@Fritzlardig Actually Japanese Jujutsu was developed by Japanese... as Japan really had no outside influences. The principles of Ju and Aiki I have seen only in Japan. And I have seen many grappling systems.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
Yeah no outside influence. Tell me again what characters you use to write jujutsu and where they came from. Also the concepts of ju and aiki exist in all grappling, explicitly or not. Any high level grappler develops a 'feel' for where the opponents strength is directed and can work around it instead of against it.
But it's a null point anyhow since grappling pre-dates any culture or civilization.
Fritzlardig 1 year ago
@Fritzlardig Why are you asking me about Language? When we are talking about Japanese Jujutsu. And I don't really think you understand the concepts of Ju and Aiki to make that call. As you think it's just "working around strength"
It's not about working around his strength. It's actually about accepting his strength. That's the mistake most people that don't have true understanding of Japanese concepts and classical bujutsu think. -cont
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@Fritzlardig As I accept his strength I will launch a counterattack while he is preoccupied with his attack.
This concept is extremely similar and coincides with the concept of Aiki. the concept of "Ai" which is to join and then "ki" which is an inner energy. A westerner might view this as a "life force" but it's not quite the same. With Aiki I can become one with his attack in and use his own attack to destroy him. So I give him exactly what he wants... just not in the way he wanted.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
I want to train with this japanese Gods, some day hopefully!! =)
benjaminsound 1 year ago
Amazing how many judo guys hate BJJ, I started in Judo but I let it because prefer BJJ and believe it or not even in the same techniques there are little details and most Judo schools will never defeat top world BJJ schools on the ground, being the time they practice one of themost logic reasons, they won't let Tachiwaza to do more ground. Kashiwazaki is the man anyway, beatiful Tomoe Nague.
Dudongo86 1 year ago
I'm loving that sweep at 4:14
paranoiuhh 1 year ago
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"this is great original judo...which bjj has taken credit of. " by ccthedragon
(I from Brazil)
raphaelanunciacao 1 year ago
I train BJJ and judo (which I consider two sides of the same coin). What's funny is that I remember people claiming that judo had no sweeps from the guard, etc. Truth be told, the Gracies did not learn some secret from of jujutsu, they just learned judo in it's ne waza glory days and then was not negatively affected when the world began screwing judo up for the same of an exciting spectator sport. In my opinon, the Gracies were more retainers of knowledge than innovators. But that has changed,
iJITSU 1 year ago 5
@iJITSU good way of stating it. BJJ is nothing more than traditional judo before it became more of a sport BUT there are still many dojos out there (especially in former USSR due to Sambo influence & eastern Europe & Japan) where newaza is still very crucial to the art. USA has lost much of it's newaza but because of BJJ it's turning now. I'd say 5-10 more years and most if not all Judo schools will beat most if not all BJJ skills on the top or on the ground.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
daaaaammmnn, that is such a nice facility, look at how the mats are all aligned perfectly and how beautiful the place looks. rich bastards lol
chnazm 1 year ago
Kashiwazaki, the master !
serekithegreat 1 year ago
this is amazing stuff!! no need to hate guys. bjj figureheads recognize their lineage from judo and simply consider it a different flavor. i've never had any formal judo training but that does not mean I can't appreciate the genius of people like kashiwazaki. thanks so much for hosting these vids trixthor!
onespiritctc 1 year ago
yes thank God for Carlos and Helio. I heard they taught the Japanese how to make sushi and started Toyota too (explains the bad throttles).
ChinaHoovers 2 years ago 10
@ChinaHoovers LOL....funny, LMAO...cheeky....you don't have to look far into BJJ (um...the name) to get a hint of where it's from...yet guys are so surprised that we practice BJJ techniques like armbars when they visit my judo dojo...to their credit, the marketing package was successful indeed
agriculturaltrading 1 year ago
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Excellent - great to see how judo's benefitting from bjj. KAshiwazaki's ground game's improved a lot lately ;)
hooverbaglegs 2 years ago
You are a funny fella!
edsheadsaid 2 years ago
How is this something Judo learned from bjj?
I saw your comment before i watched the video and thought hmm ok maybe there is some truth to your statement, and then i see the video and go... but thats just standard judo how is that something learned from bjj?
Crixxtachi 2 years ago 2
Hey Crixx....the ;) is supposed to give away the fact that my comment is ironic.
Kashiwazaki's forgotten more groundwork than most BJJers ever knew...
hooverbaglegs 2 years ago
@hooverbaglegs Actually, I think it's the other way around.
Algebrodadio 2 years ago
Sry mate....don't think you got my drift....
hooverbaglegs 2 years ago
Hoover, you're funny. This move isn't anything new.
7c9ND2el 2 years ago
@hooverbaglegs
BJJ is Judo that focuses more on the Newaza (ground fighting) aspects of judo than the standing (tachiwaza) aspects. Look up Kosen Judo when you get a chance.
strafefire 2 years ago
Aggghhhh - yet another american who doesn't get satire....I did try and make it explicit with the ;).....but no....let's keep it literal eh?
hooverbaglegs 2 years ago
you fellas really love judo...so do i but only just started...i would love to go to japan and spend 3/6 months just doing judo evry day...
obywonn 2 years ago 2
Kashiwazaki is great. I met and trained with him in 1988 and as a gift he gave me a signed copy of his book! I still have it.
joopsnoop 2 years ago 3
Boas tecnicas ! O que mostra que o Judô não precisa do BJJ !
raphaelanunciacao 2 years ago
thats some REALLY GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!
EjenAmy 2 years ago 2
this is great original judo...which bjj has taken credit of. thank u for showing us. arigato.
ccthedragon 2 years ago 32
@ccthedragon sorry for being a jackass but finding a Newaza judo academy is quite difficult, so stop the war between bjj or judo. just pointless
asdfero 1 year ago
@asdfero you are right, that's 100% correct. It's not actually finding a newaza academy, it's finding a Judo academy that emphasizes 50% stand up and 50% ground grappling is hard .. many USA dojos practice 75% up and 25% ground ... that's wrong but the major influence of BJJ ground grappling has definitely plaid a major role in "waking" up many dojos through out the country into practicing more ground grappling.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
There's no hairi-kata. Hairi-kata: takedowns the are not throws.
magscfc 2 years ago
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FIGRAPPLING 2 years ago
Awesome Sugoi!!!
judomichaell 2 years ago
kashiwazaki sensei invent own techniques. Not copy but base adapt then modify to own judo style through hard training and development. He is great judo teacher.
newazajunkie 2 years ago 3
you sound like you know about him i am in the uk ,do you know anywhere here or in japan etc where someone could train in his style
obywonn 2 years ago
It's old judo .. or just a different part of the full judo curriculum.
of course brazilians have brought a good sporting competitive attitude and dedication to practice ... like with football ... but didnt "invent" it.
Google "George Mehdi judo" "M. Tripp judo history"
It's japanese judo practiced a certain way is all. A tactical and trraining emphasis on newaza. it is still practiced this way in some dojos in Japan.
shinjukool 2 years ago 2
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who gives a fuck
NoPalePastels 2 years ago
hey dude....show some respect. you are embarassing yourself
newaza2boddha 2 years ago
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Hey dude, show me your balls, I bet they smell.
NoPalePastels 2 years ago
I'll bet a 1000 Euros You are lazy with the ass wiping before you go to bed and sleep with a swampy shit rim. I would like to smell it.
sakuraba13 2 years ago
That, is awesome!!
shitandpissinmymouth 2 years ago
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suck my ass it smells.
NoPalePastels 2 years ago
Even when they focus on different areas, the techniques that they apply are almost the same, most of these techniques were particulary invented many centuries before bjj or judo, and all the techniques have been improving since by the past of time, give me a break that they are totally different from each other, the only things are style either the rules what makes so differenced from each other as you say ..pal
Serrrich 2 years ago
doubt it; Kano Sensei and his students put together a lot of the judo techniques and developed them through randori; for example harai goshi hane goshi uchimata ucimata kaeshi and sukashi; are not these all modern developments, progression of expertise as a result of randori, not kata as was drilled before judo.
chchjudoschool 2 years ago
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There is a lot off BJJ hate going on now and days! Wow, some of you guys sound really mad. Is it because you have had your arm busted or have been choked out by a BJJ judoka!(lmao) I currently study Jiu Jitsu and have some background in Judo (small, very small). I also have some background in Ryu JuJitsu. What makes laugh more is that most of you idiots fail to realize that BJJ and Judo are fruits of the same tree and thats Jujitsu. The techniques focus on different areas of combat for success.
302BJJ 3 years ago
Jujitsu itself is an off shoot of Bohidarmas teachings in Yoga that became the grounds for Kung fu. How are Carlo's and Helio Gracie any different than Jigoro Kano. These men were great philosphical practitioners of their arts. I say this because that's exactly what any martial art comes down to. No matter how many fancy labels or names you place on an art it is still a combat art. The GOALS and PHILOSOPHY of each are different. Thus the way they are paracticed.
302BJJ 3 years ago
Very different; Carlos Gracie is a student of one of Kano shihans best (Maeda.) He brought randori to jujitsu, so called it judo. Gracie copied the prewar style, and was a high level judoka before breaking with his teacher/s and going his own pathway. Commerce attitude is vastly different; and the lies and half truths on his first promotional videos could only be described as inflammatory and disrespectful from the top. Causing fights on a beach and filming them...to make a point, dodgey.
chchjudoschool 2 years ago 3
Carlos and Helio Gracie are not Judoka, Those people have been copy and lerning from others style for years and making for them self big money and tell lies to their own student.
I´ve spoke with one former Brasilian Jiu jitsu black belt, this guy told me, back in 1980´s Royce Gracie challenge on japanese Karate master for Okinawa " Goju Ryu style" the match went bad for Royce Gracie got broken 4 ribs with only one kick, Royce gracie lost the fight. 1984 - 1986.
Samboussr 2 years ago 3
and also Helio Gracie lost to famous Judoka legend Kimura in Brazil, Kimura broke his arm and because he was so ignorant Helio wanted to carry on with a broken arm, they cant take loosin those Gracies and everything they know comes from either Judo or Jui Jutsu, all they've done is call it brazillian Jui Jitsu, they're frauds.
Brady2k10 2 years ago 3
that right friend, money talks!..... Royce and Company backs in 80´s want challenge Gokor Haystan grappling, but some one warn royce not to fight him, gracie was scare about this guys!
Bas Rutten, Gokor Chivycian challenge rickson and Royce gracie, but gracie never took the fight!
Samboussr 2 years ago 2
search Kimura and Helio fight and it shows one of the best Judokas in the world fighting Helio Gracie and the Judoka breaks his arm in the fight and even knock him out for a few seconds.
Brady2k10 2 years ago 3
dont needm my former sensei Hirata kanae from Kosen Judo school, told me in person the fight between kimura and helio gracie.
Hirata sensei was kimura friend and sparring partner back in the days. do I need to say more.
Samboussr 2 years ago
Yep, but I don"t get mad anymore, when my old partners judocas ask me why I haven"t go to Judo since January 2008 I said: AH now I "m doing BJJ Blasphemy!!!! That is just a Judo copy and BLA BLA BLA . I don"t care , I will always respect Judo but I enjoy BJJ and Grappling muche more, that"s all.
Dudongo86 3 years ago
Judo originated from, Jujitsu, JJ originated in japan during the feudal ages so soldiers could still defend themselves with out a weapon in combat, least they be disarmed, Judo was functionally formed in the 19th century as a combative sport, based off JJ. Judo literally translates to "The Gentle Way" Both are excellent forms of Martial arts neither better nor worse than the other. Rules are what make the arts different, not the function
WSStanford 2 years ago
I know, but I think some higherranks judocas forgot that.
Dudongo86 2 years ago
It's good to see these techniques from judo because it shows that judokas also have good Ne Waza techniques. Where did you got your hands on this video. Thanks for posting!
judoka1976 3 years ago
No doubt, I started out in BJJ but I've recently started going to Judo too. At least from the BJJ side, there's no animosity, we respect and consider Judo a sister art of Jiutjitsu. Hopefully both systems will continue getting closer to each other, which will bring a new generation of grappling monsters, lol.
Fabyfakid 3 years ago 3
It's good that you are visiting a judo club. You'll learn a lot. I hope you've a great time in the dojo.
judoka1976 3 years ago 4
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Bravo Faby, this is exactly what I mean about the openess and philosophy of BJJ practitioners! All Judokas focus on are the unfounded "superiority" of judo and not the superiority of the practioner. I enjoy both arts for the different philosphies they possess. It's BJJ bashing that gives Judo such a bad name.
302BJJ 3 years ago
Why so close mind??? In places like Brasil is usual see people training in both sports even if this technique is in BJJ with other name who cares, Judo wasn"t the first one, nobody knows for sure where the techniques come from. I did one year of Judo and it helped me a lot now in BJJ, both are great arts.
Dudongo86 3 years ago 2
excellent technique. i'm surprised the gracies havent claimed that they had invented this technique.
moelicious416 3 years ago 23
hahahah i agree its funny cause carlos sr. gracie showed helio gracie judo he learned from Koga. The idiots think they were learning jiujitsu
M3COMS 3 years ago 3
errrr I meant Koma also known as Maeda mitsuyo
M3COMS 3 years ago
where did Judo Newaza techniques come from?
thats right the old Jiu-Jitsu Ryu Ha.
junon 3 years ago
that's the onlu guy i can learn grappling from. all the rest are just american bjj idiots
ceroeck 3 years ago 4
this sensei knows his techniques. too bad the sound is not in english
DCHarchie 3 years ago 3
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Just learn Japanese.
yardape99 3 years ago 2
Outstanding!
topcat1012002 3 years ago 2