TBL - Starstruck

[richardmaudsley77]

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oh sorry, I just felt like singing along.

[SparklesofUnity]

Black Lotus on the gtx 480, This I wanna see.

This on a 50 mhz cpu? No gpu hardware, old old classic hardware producing stuff like this? Puts alot of developers thats slackin to shame.

This is amiga's true power. Also look up true power of the sega 32x, looks like sega saturn.

[vojinvidanovic79]

Lets say "Best of classic"

I will be always amazed by what people have been able to pull out

of A500 1MEG A3000 2MB or here A1200 060 ...

Such hopes for SAM and X1000

[piflyon]

The real show starts at 2:36 and it kicks ass ! Incredible.

[Waldorff1978]

Epic!

[artemusprine]

What's the file size of this demo?

[VR61661]

About 900kb if I remember correctly.

[jilagone]

Final Atari Version watch?v=6nnW8JvtMko

[mrAmiga500]

This is totally awesome!

This should be shown as schooling to every single crap-coder out there who writes bloated inefficient code. (...before slapping them across the face with a double density disk.)

[fohoizey]

Impossible. An Amiga 1200 can't run this.

I can't beleive it.

Just can't beleive it.

[quantum112]

Now this here is a good example of the times when people knew how to actually program applications that could use the maximum of hardware in those days. And what do we get today? Half-assed, unoptimised software that looks like shit AND manages to run on 20 fps. Someone get the programming police over here and take these kids back to school!

[EvilCensor]

"I think we won't see nothing much better coming from a 68060 ever".. ?

I'd have to take that double negative for just that because - we are talking about Amiga - programmers of Amiga hardware will always come up with new code and push past boundaries of what seems possible.

Amiga will always surprise us.

[amiades]

True! xD

[AY3EIGHTYNINE10]

@EvilCensor So very true. Look at the C64 scene. For the longest time, Deus Ex Machina was the most amazing thing I thought I'd ever see come from a C64...

And then came Edge of Disgrace. 'nuff said.

[jci10]

@EvilCensor Well, its been 5 years and I haven't seen anything better than this...

[Destop]

Extra kudos to Blaizer. Topnotch soundtracks send demos soaring.

[Bartth]

R E S P E C T

[scoobyzz]

this is just frigging mindblowing. big up for TBL. keep up the awesome work! <3

[BurtWilson1]

I reckon Commodore should have pushed to have an ECS 68020 Amiga launched for 1989/1990. By the time the A1200 was getting of it's feet, along comes the Sony Playstation.

[Steril707]

This is really incredible.

I hope you keep on doing stuff for the Amiga, and maybe the Natami, when/if it comes out. I guess you could be doing some very special stuff with the more powerful AGA of the Natami Project.

[MaverickM1]

50 mhz, no 3d acceleration, no 16 bit sound hw, slow simm rams, old machines.....AND UNBELIVEABLE STUNNING STUFFS.

And coding on the 68k series in assembly was a DREAM, best ever.

Now, i wait the miracle while playin' on PS3, 2 Teraflops, tonns of newest technology and tonns of vsync errors..... Bring back the respect of good programmers !!!

But i am lucky, have plenty of Amigas, and using a classic Amiga = relaxation. Try it. :)

It worth every money...

[DJGahann]

Videos such as these just put today's PC and so on in perspective. Even though I was never a great coder I realized quite soon the concept of Amiga was one far better and these demos just go to show it.

The Skyrunner

[ballebanan]

My old A1200 with 50 MHz 030 CPU will probably choke. But looks absolutely stunning, I haven't seen an Amiga demo in years, it's come such a long ways since the early days.

[Joliie]

Love it!! :)

[stevenkp]

I tried to reply back but three times but for some reason it won't take it. I'll try a normal post this time.

Thanks Jci10. That would make a lot more sense. I only programmed the original chip set. I was really puzzled how they did it until you replied. Still an amazing feat considering no 3d hardware.

[stevenkp]

Stunning, I think the main point for me is that's all rendered in those dreaded bitplanes! I can't get over that fact, very painful!

[jci10]

The 1991 AGA chips had on-the-fly bitplane to chunky conversion and vice-versa in HARDWARE.

[stevenkp]

I tried to reply back but for some reason it won't take it. I'll try again...

I see, thanks. That would make a lot more sense. I only programmed the original chip set. I was really puzzled how they did it until you replied. Still an amazing feat though considering no 3d hardware.

[stevenkp]

thanks, my reply is above

[Galaad1]

No, it sadly had NOT. So all these demos use a so-callad Chunky-to-planar routine that is all computed by the CPU. As you can guess, it is heavily optimized nowadays, after 16 years of experimentation. Oh, and the AGA chipset was first released with the A4000, in december 1992.

Only the Amiga CD32 had a special chip to do that, called Akiko.

[stevenkp]

thanks Galaad1,

So it was all done in software then? But it states that it's an AGA demo.

[KalmsTBL]

The demo isn't utilizing any fancy hardware features of the AGA chipset. It renders a frame of graphics using the CPU into fastmem, and when that's done the frame is copied from fastmem into chipmem (and performing C2P conversion during the copying).

Similarly, the music is stored in compressed format in fastmem, and each VBL a few samples are uncompressed and written to a looping buffer in chipmem.

This is all because the CPU and fastram of an 060 board can run circles around the chipset.

[KalmsTBL]

... er, except that the horizontal text "shaking" that happens at the same time as you hear noise is accomplished through horizontal scrolling of bitplane contents (change one of the BPLCON registers several times per line).

[stevenkp]

thanks Kalms,

You guys are hardcore man. I don't I could of worked that sh*t out and produced something like if I was given 30 years. Swedish coding groups have ruled the Amiga demo scene from day one. What's up with you guys LOL, great job!

[blade004]

The mighty Kalms doth speaketh! Its great to read your words of Amiga wisdom. I flew all the way from Australia in 2007 to see an Assembly type event which was Breakpoint i am pretty sure i saw you guys right near me and i was too intimidated by your greatness to chat to you guys.. lol

[jci10]

"isn't utilizing any fancy hardware features of the AGA chipset" well you are using HAM8? Right? Is that a fancy hardware feature of AGA? :)

[KalmsTBL]

Nope, we set up a 320x200 screen in 8 bitplanes and then dump graphics to it, that's all. (Ok, so the palette fades use 24bit precision, but that can hardly be referred to as 'fancy' these days...)

Using HAM8 would either give too blocky pixels, unwanted color bleeding, or consume too much CPU power when updating.

[Lukke1974]

Everyone of You is invited at My place to see this masterpiece running on an Amiga 4K attached to a beamer !

God bless the Amiga demoscene and everyone related to it !

[amiades]

Where are you from? xD I never say no to an invitation to somewhere with an amiga, popcorn and demos xD.

[Lukke1974]

The sad thing is that there's a 1500 km distance between your Amy and mine ...

[animaze86]

@Lukke1974 i do not understand the reference.

[dimidimidim]

this demo plays ok on my A1200 with 68040 running at 40MHz

[HunsV]

This encoding doesn't do the soundtrack justice. You have to hear it, it's absolutely TOP NOTCH. It's available at mp3| ziphoid| com.

[panrolpho]

really cool production, respect.

[blade004]

Yeah i have had my original A1200 since 1992, and its still going strong!!. bought myself some extra bits for it a few weeks back too, so i will be working on getting it back to its former glory :)

[BurtWilson1]

That black haired girl is really fit. It's a shame she has a machine stuck in her back.

[BurtWilson1]

Er. That was a stupid comment I made. I regret it now.:(

[BurtWilson1]

I always wondered what the 68060 was capable of. AWESOME!!!

[Scyzor75]

OMFG! 8o

[Philyon]

nicolugdu, I know you !! So you want an A1200 ? So go for it and get an orgasm with it lol ! An exceptionnal demo from TBL, the best I've ever seen before.

[uknortherner2000]

Was that realtime shadows I was seeing there? To think that realtime shadows on PCs and next-gen consoles are a recent phenomenon, yet here we have 13-year-old hardware with NO accelerated 3D hardware doing it without breaking a sweat...

[MrSmith1234567890]

It makes me think what kind of graphics would we be seeing today if people would have chosen Amiga hardware with Motorola processors instead of PC's with Intel processors, around the mid 90s.

[AndyBuckleyBurnley]

The music is brilliant too.

[Baiko]

Awesome, mayhaps the best optimized demo i've ever seen

[Mikrobitz]

Unbeliveable indeed!

[amigaflame]

Only AMIGA :D

[Uberdude25]

The Amigas(AGA)chipset from 1992 :-) fu*k of PC, Atari! ;-)

[Ryanfox1981]

in fact if you look at this and that it was done on a pretty much standard amiga... This is just breathtaking. Kinda makes me want to dredge up my old A4K Ami and breathe life into it again

[axom20]

The 3D graphics depicted in this movie far outshine ANYTHING the pc had when it was released (windows 95+ i'm on about obviously) the 3d models it did have were blocky and rather unshapely, even so far as fmvs this being amiga makes windows look even worse than before. Amiga will revive!

[Ryanfox1981]

Well they've been dead for a while.... Let's hope that their latest PPC-based boxes will improve...

[mynamesforest]

It's recorded yes, but a recording of a demo that runs in realtime...how else would you get it on youtube lol. Anyway this takes me back to my Amiga days, it was all so much more exciting back in the day as people used innovative ways to break through the limitations of the hardware. This is just awesome.

[goldsak]

Massive respect for what these guys are doing.

[zilouge]

man! those guys know what they are doing, what a team!

[djdano2k]

Unbeliveable it's an Amiga Demo! Big respect for this! work.

[jci10]

I think it should restated that this ran on an Amiga 68060/AGA which has NO 3D HARDWARE. Again, NO 3D HARDWARE with coding at about 900 kilobytes... this should not only shutup Mac/PC heads, but linux people as well...

[baldingeagle666]

It's recorded, not realtime, but spectacular nonetheless.

Just goes to show that it's not the hardware, but in which hands you put the hardware that counts.

imo this is more impressive than any game the graphics card piperiders can come up with. They need to learn a thing or two.

[UTUBESUCK666]

Nope, it's a recording of a real time demo. It run on a 68060 and the AGA chipset in real time. The executable file is only 871Kb !!! (Plus a dat file for sound and texture)and run perfectly on Winuae V1.3.4 on my PC.

[baldingeagle666]

Your PC is a lot faster than a 68060. The emulator doesn't emulate cycle-exact, you see, but runs as fast as it can.

On a real Amiga you get 8 fps or less. Still VERY very impressive though.

[joyork]

If that's the case how do you explain the music staying in sync?

[thygrrr]

The movie was made using an emulator, AFAIK.

[ClitoriousCeasar]

thygrrr you are lame man.. it was programed-produced on an amiga and was just RECORDED to video on UAE emulator

[ClitoriousCeasar]

baldingeagle no. not really.. you can chose cycle exact or not.. and in fact if you want to be able to play games you need to run "cycle exact"

[Optimus6128]

The most impressive demo I've ever seen on Amiga. Wow!

[ParalaxTrance]

Świetny design, bardzo dobra muzyka i grafika! Tylko dlaczego robione było pod WinUAE?

[aga060]

tbl...see you at breakpoint07

[Toffeemeister]

Hand optimzed machine code at it's best ! Simply awesome piece of work.

TBL pushing back the boundary of Amiga limitation !

[surfitlive]

Actually the Amiga was NEVER a limitation....it was a Liberator!!!

Unlike the PC/Windoze crap that IS a limitation !!!!(thank MS,Apple or Bill & Steve...if they made an ice cream company together their flavors would taste like sh*t...LOL)

[mikeyranks]

A deserved winner of Asm 06. This is why the Amiga scene paved the way for a whole generation of PC Demos!

[otacke]

This really is a masterpiece. Reminds me why I actually still use my Amiga. Thanks a lot!

[romaneberle]

funtastic!!!!

[decder]

This is the coolest thing I've ever seen on ANY platform!

[kalateur]

I really like the credits zone with the robot "smashing" the authors ;-)

[pulseforce]

It was smashing the competition. Farbrausch is the group who made the .kkrieger game for PCs, fairlight was a famous demo group etc. They said that they are better than all of those. And they are! Realtime 3D on an Amiga!? Wow, this demo was incredible.

[gloom303]

Hella-great demo. Non-stop brutal action-show. Deserving winner at Asm'06.

[idliketoberichplease]

Actually, that ain't THAT good looking.

[amiades]

It's better looking than other actual PC demos ;)

[gtr2008]

MC68060+aga :)

3GHZ sucks

Amiga Rulez

[saxxonpike]

By the way, this just goes to show that, when given limitations, people will generally do better. Without limitations, where are you supposed to start? Maybe that's why the PC demoscene is getting cheesy nowadays.

[da9000]

Fully agree! Limitations were very very important for innovation in the demoscene! Even on the PC, heh, _especially_ on the PC :) (as well as in other domains in life)

[JohanKH]

TBL rocks, to bad Commodore didn't ;)

Love <3

[saxxonpike]

JESUS

someone get me a high-res rendition of this

actually, I'll just go out and buy the Amiga

[mikepowell2006]

That is really amazing stuff. Shows that clock speed means bullshit in computers these days, it is talent and efficiency with the resources that are there.

[bambam3131]

amiga rulez & will rule forever... thanx 2 tbl

[nineko]

AWESOME

[JiggaJagga]

2006, running an 060 against machines with 3GHz processors..even today, the Amiga holds it's wight which is simply incredible. The best flair I have even seen is on an Amiga and the whole Amiga community should be proud.

[ZeeKat]

Well, that's the principle of demoscene, I think (or at least should be?). Hardware power isn't that important as talent and STYLE. And TBL has megatons of style, graphics, soundtrack and design here are astonishing. Also merging 3d objects with panoramic animations is brilliant and cunning trick. I'm amazed.

[idliketoberichplease]

Wait, am I stupid? If this demo is for showing how great the Amiga preforms, how come I'm watching it on my good ol' PC right now?? XD

[blade004]

Was that meant to be a Joke ?

[ClitoriousCeasar]

idliketoberich you sound stupid so i believe you are.. your "good ol' PC" i m sure is not 17 years old as the amiga which created this is... your 17 years old PC would NEVER be able to even play this vid not run the real demo of this.

[konrad303]

There were Amiga games which used similar tricks, but you couldn't walk around in such a scene, for example. It's just amazing how TBL used such tricks in this demo.

[konrad303]

"everyone in computer game industry should watch things like taht" Well, most of the tricks in demos only work in the special demo scenario and would be hard to adapt to an interactive game. For example in Starstruck TBL obviously used looped animations with lots of details as background in some 3d scenes, which they just shifted and rotated (like an advanced rotating zoom).

[Jodezza]

I don't want to get into a big Demo's are not games argument.. because simply... they aren't..I work in the computer games industry and the Amiga in particular (and its demo crews) are responsible for some of the greatest games you play today, from Megadrive to ps3.

[konrad303]

I know, I myself am one of those demosceners who contributed great games, too. :)

[Jodezza]

Hmm, weird the second part of my reply never appeared, this interface could do with some demo design work :-) lol

Amiga Rulez :D

[amiades]

Just 060 and aga :). TBL are pros :P.

[kikencorp]

Is this REALLY running in an 060 with AGA chipset only? No video acceleration?

[JiggaJagga]

The Amiga had 2D blitter hardware and other stuff, but no 3D. It had multi-tasking built into the hwardware from the ground up making it one power-house of a machine.

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

Well, the marketroids in the PC world would say that playfields and sprites mean 3D capability.

[MaverickM1]

Yeeah, 'coz the peecee still haven't them! :)

Blinkin' mouse pointer, as hardware sprite, geeez, every time i laugh myself to sleep :D

Anyway, the Blitter was one of the pioneers of the hardware acceleration technology. In 2d ofcoz!

"If You can't solve it with money, solve it with more money"

eeehhh, sounds better this way: If You can't solve it with knowledge, solve it with Amiga coders :)

Respect to all Amiga-Scene teams !!!

[papanovember]

WE BREAK SHIT

[neon32]

Great work guys.. Really great work

[jbaudrand]

amazing what you can do with only a 68060 and a lot of talent... everyone in computer game industry should watch things like taht and cry about their s....y optimisated code. Thanks for sharing demo!!!

[mrfreakybig]

Never owned an Amiga, but ever since my friends showed me

all the demo's I've been missing I am like o____o!! hehe.

I loved Silkcut, but this one is just bloody Amazing!

And it WON too! t'Shows the power of Amiga heheh!

Still have to see it on a real Amiga, I had the 200mb video to watch, but I can already tell this will look million times better on real hardware.

[JiggaJagga]

I have used computers since the first 8088 CPU was introduced. I have never seen something so advanced as the Amiga and best of all, it was made for those who would otherwise not be able to afford it. We love it.

[jpadula]

Great design, graphic, music, tricks and efx. No disagvantages. Great work TBL. As expect from TBL.

[amiades]

For Amiga hardware information, please, see the edited and updated video info. Interesting links.

[Artlace]

I am sure all it needs is an AGA Amiga running AmigaOS 3.1 and equipped with a 68060/50MHz board. It means an A1200/A4000, of course. I don't think they use any OS routines however, maybe except for some initialization stuffs.

Just to clarify a few things: latest released AmigaOS for classic (68k) Amigas is 3.9.

If you liked this demo of the "new" TBL team, check out their previous works: Perfect Circle, Little Nell, Magia, SilkCut, Ocean Machine, Requiem. They deserve it.

[StupidMovieinc]

Is that true amiga graphics?

[blade004]

Yep they are true Amiga Graphics, and they are graphics from a 1992 Amiga with the AGA chipset.  Prior to the Amiga's with AGA were the older Amiga's released in 1985 and those are magnificent machines too.

Amiga 1200 & 4000 came with the AGA Chipset. Released 1992. Amiga 1000, 500, 1500, 2000, 3000 were released with an older OCS/ECS chipset.

What you see here is an AGA Amiga with a Motorola 68060 CPU.

[StupidMovieinc]

Awesome!!

[blade004]

Im impressed that kid of your age is open and enquiring about the Amiga, shows your maturity and unbias. Stay that well my friend, it will serve you well.

[blade004]

Sorry a typing error. I didnt mean "stay that well", i meant "stay that way" .. lol.

[blade004]

This is the Amiga Operating System. Its running the latest version which is OS4, although its not widely available as yet. the previous version came out about 4 or 5 years ago. Check out this link/address to have a look :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=kWmMSPJZprQ

[StupidMovieinc]

I got a couple of question. MY frist were ccan i buy a amgia? Second if i cant get can i dual boot The Amiga OS4 on my powermac g5? If i can dualboot image the power the Amiga OS4 will have at it disposl. I bet it will beat the new cpu ibm or intel r making for testing and those new cpus they r testing run either at 500 ghz or 400 ghz

[StupidMovieinc]

Widows Vista will always be 500 yeas behind the Amiga.

[StupidMovieinc]

Typo i meant years not yeas

[blade004]

AMAZING.. STUNNING.. INCREDIBLE!!!.. I remember when i used to gasp in awe on the TBL demos for the A1200 running on my 030/50 in the mid to late 90's, but this just blows me away that THIS can be done on an 060 Amiga!... But then again, this IS the Amiga we are talking about. That demo had spirit all through it!, the Amiga spirit!.