Toi-Gye
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  • im testing for my redbelt tommrow and this really helped thank you! :)

  • and today i'm taking Toi-Gye form exam.... uff :)

  • @hem3fiction tournaments mean nothing.

  • + .! ;)

  • Thank you very much for posting this on youtube. Here you get a nice overview of Toi-Gye.

  • Lotsa wannabe martial arts experts on youtube makes me lol :P

    keep up the exemplary work Jarowslaw , you've helped me with most of my gradings as of yet :) you helped me amongst other taekwondo vids to get to blue belt in about 9 months :) practicing every day is the way! cept sundays, sundays is skyrim day!!

  • @RyanNewell122 loool

  • @RyanNewell122 Everyday is Skyrim day! :D

  • @RyanNewell122 nice , Blue belt in 9 months... I see you training hard. its bit fast , i trained 3 years for blue belt .

  • @NiePatrzSieTutaj Yeah it is a bit, but I wont get my next belt in about, 1 year, our club sees that blue belt is like the transition from, just knowing your patterns, to redstripe where it should be second nature! so yeah a long time now :/ .....

  • @RyanNewell122 Good luck man :)

    Keep the hard training up :)

    I just passed my red tag exam yesterday :)

    and BTW I would highly recommend you to go to Suskas seminar :) Its very beneficial :)

  • @RykanVx i don't mean to be rude, but displaying lots of power and control is the best way to perform the patterns, and this guy has won many international tournaments in patterns, and says alot since he is a fifth dan

  • Dont talk crap on the General. Good Martial Artist regardless of rank nationality or style should never talk trash on one another instead discuss and contrast. As for the asshole who decided to talk some crap on General Choi shut the fuck up.

  • @RykanVx its not so much power or movement that he's displaying, its more the technique and the body movement that lets you put in force without exerting excessive amounts of energy....if that explains that

  • what dagre are u guys

  • Guys, guys - this man has won loads of medals at an international level. I think that kind of says it all!

  • @RykanVx then since somehow being Korean makes you an expert, you already know that these are traditional hyung. And also that his style of TaeKwonDo is ITF. And naturally, you already know that ITF uses a method called 'Sine Wave", that means you raise and lower your body weight before a strike. A method developed by your drinking buddy, Gen. Choi. So there's no need to tell you that its the opposite of 'Kinetic Linking', the method taught by most WTF affiliated Dojang. Thanks for testing us.

  • @RykanVx I'm glad your nationality is a sign that you know what your talking about. Because it's a known fact that every American regardless of background knows baseball better than a Japanese professional player. Even if that player been playing the sport since he could hold a bat. Typical Asian. To even think that you could correct a 5th dan black belt who has executed a powerful, flawless execution of Toi-Gye, because your Korean. I think you need to reevaluate the true spirit of TaeKwonDo.

  • @RykanVx I'm glad your nationality is a sign that you know what your talking about. It's a known fact that every American regardless of background knows baseball better than a Japanese professional player. Even if that player been playing the sport since he could hold a bat. Typical Asian. To even think that you could correct a 5th dan black belt who has executed a powerful, flawless execution of Toi-Gye, because your Korean. I think you need to reevaluate the true spirit of TaeKwonDo.

  • Jhoon Rhee's book ("Father of U.S. TKD"), shows a foot stomp and a block of two front punchs, one from an opponent on each side. This is from his book "Chung-gun and Toi-Gye," part of a series of books which cover all the ITF colored-belt forms.

    Keith Yates in "TKD Forms" shows this as a block of a front kick, then a block of a punch. Only one opponent is shown, so I guess Keith lives in a safer place than Jhoon Rhee, and so only faces one attacker at a time. ;-)

  • at 0:29 i learn it as a block with ur arms and stomp with ur legs

  • The way we learn it (at 0:29) is that you block with your arms, whilst stomping on someone's foot. So they're not really kicks, nor blocks - just a nasty self-defence technique ;)

  • My school is wtf but we have to know i think the first 8 itf forms. this helps alot. We do it differently but i just need the movements. We also have to know a stick form which i can't remember the name of. haha goes to show how much i know the form.

  • i'm grading tomorrow. will be doin this pattern. if i can do it anythin like him then i'll fly through! he's amazing at patterns and is rightly world champion.

  • @seanfitz123abc hope you passed your grading :)

  • @Hem3fiction Yeaa i passed easily enough. thanks for asking :)

  • They aren't kicks, they are blocks.

  • @teblease

    no ist the right way the guy is doin

  • @shoeywhite yes, I know. I was explaining to mrmrwiseguy who thought they were kicks that they are actually blocks. The pattern is performed perfectly.

  • what the? at 0.29. Ain't that supposed to be kicks? Hyong is a Simulated battle against people, he don't hit anybody with those kicks they are more like a silly walk. if i had kicked like that i would failed the Black Stripe so hard.

  • This is the next form I will be learning.

  • I like this form and Joong Gun

  • Nightmare of a pattern to learn!.

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  • This is the pattern for a Blue belt with a Red Stripe right? cuz I just Got my Red Stripe and i want to know if this is my new pattern? plz someone tell me :) Thank you :)

  • @TheUkitake13 yes Toi-Gye is the pettern for red Stripe or ( 3'ed kup ) ^_^

  • @psp4693 dude, calm down i wasnt talking to you and i have won british champoin bronze and then silver sparring and gold patterns so i would keep your thoughts to yourself. I dont want to start anything.

  • @youtunezzz2 get a fukn grip jackass wtf .....a pattern is for grading purposes and compitition purposes ur not really gonna do all that really fast are u then the judges wouldny see you ...unfortunite for you your a fat piece of shit so the judges couldnt miss you bcoz they'de probobaly get lost in your fucking fatfolds ....you dumb-ass bitch with lots of reverse turning

    kix to your face

    tails

  • @rishum1000 Its actually correct. If you look on page 26 (bigger pic on page 62) of volume 10 in the Encyclopedia you will see the elbows are just below the shoulders giving a very slight W shape.

  • Nice pattern! But please, next time don't wear a wrist watch when doing a pattern!

  • his kicks are low and his stance isnt solid enough smh

  • @WayofTheAsian I'd love to see you do better. Suska is close to perfect.

  • @jugglejoolz lol i would im just a danless black belt and im sure my form is like 100x better, his kicks r only belt level, which any1 could do and powerless. wen he does his front stance he just moves forward ur suppose to move in a arc like shape so u can generate power from ur waist plus the fact that his stance isnt even strong a small push will just make him fall this is fall from perfect

  • @WayofTheAsian It's not meant to be a high kick FFS! I somehow suspect he's won more medals than you....

  • @jugglejoolz lol then whats the point of kicking during forms, if its not high enough u want to have flexibility and power at the same time that is wat tkd is about, this guy has nothing therefore he is trash and u need to take class cuz its pretty clear u r inexperienced in any martial art; so stop idolizing trash. btw im not saying im good im just saying he is a disgrace to tkd

  • @WayofTheAsian If you are willing to criticize someone, please do it in proper English. With that taken out of the way, let me simply point out that TKD is a diverse sport in which technique, speed, flexibility and precision are required. When performing something correctly at the right place, you don't even need power. Now you may already have noticed that this form (because that's what it is) is not about speed. It's about technique, and Jaroslaw does that flawlessly.

  • @EigenaardigKnaapje if u had any experience in martial arts u would notice his stance is weak and frail if i was to go in the vid and push him he would just fall b/c he has no proper stances his front, back, riding stances r all pathetic. how bout u take classes and then u'll no wat flawless is, dont argue on wat is flawless wen u dont even no wat ur talking about

    

  • @WayofTheAsian I'm watching this to prepare for my black belt test today and he does it close to perfection. His stances are strong and he does the moves in confidece. In forms the point is to perfect your stances and moves. It is more to prepare you for sparring and teaching students the moves then otherwise. Forms are also for controlling your breathing.

  • @topper156 forms and fighting r two complete different things u dont use a low block in a fight or punch in a front stance. When u look at this guy's stance u c its not bent 90 degrees, therefore his stance is weak If u were to do the form same way as him ur master will tell u to make u kick higher and bend more. oh and btw if u look at 0:28 hes suppose to do double elbow and he doesnt so he doesnt even no the form completely...

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  • @WayofTheAsian until you can show us a better performance, you cannot criticise Mr Internet Pride

  • @WayofTheAsian You are true on his stances being weak at times, I'll give you that. The purpose of a tul however, is to show techniques and their application (in a, sometimes, somewhat extravagant way). The top-rated comment by trulshotvedt explains that pretty well. On me having no experience in martial arts: I'm getting my brown belt for TKD next week.

  • @EigenaardigKnaapje im glad u can c that, the whole purpose of me commenting was to show that this form is not perfect nothing more nothing less

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  • this pattern is hard, i can barely remember it!!!

  • whats that noise? from the movements?

  • @vanletkd91 its called breathing and the movement of the uniform

  • whats the musik soundtrack called

  • this is helpful shit here

  • You are amazing Full power and everything! Your PERFECT! you must get A++++++++++++++++ :D

  • Todays my test for red belt! Wish me luck!

  • @ranman505 Good question. I know they can promote a student up to 1st dan at the very least. Also depends on their specific role in their branch. For example, in my karate class, my sensei is 5th dan, but his role in our branch is Shidooin, a mid-level instructor. Meaning he is under direct supervision his senior instructor, who is 8th dan and 2nd highest-ranking instructor in our system. In other words, my sensei has his own school, but his senior instructor is ranking man for our exams.

  • He said Twae Gay in the beginning

  • Thanks a lot...It really helped with my taekwondo-I'm sure to get the pass!

  • Wow. pieknie

  • That was spot on.

  • Had to miss several training sessions recently - these videos have stopped me from dropping behind too much on patterns. Cheers!

  • Thank you. A brilliant pattern.

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  • 0:55 Is he jumping to high?

    Anyway, he's technique is soo clean. Excelent work!

  • @HuffyT266 Nope (: This is a jump, not a hop like in Yul Gok

  • well done

  • @rpoole Congrats :) , Tul is Korean term for patten and kata is the japanese term for patten,

    In all the gradings I have done they usely say the name of the patten shotly follow with tul.

  • Just passed to 3 gup blue last night (very tough testing) this is my next kata. Jaroslaw has been my bench mark for all of my pattern's. i copy him as close as i can. I get complements from grand master Hoy Son yu, a Student of general Choi, enough said!..

  • thanks ^_^ i wasn't given the disk and im a bit scatterbrained so this helps alot :), thank you muchly

  • This form is a lot of fun, but GOOD LORD is it tough to get the hang of!

  • @MagusJoseph Yeah it does look really tough. I just passed my Blue Belt grading the other night - and I thought Joong-goon looked challenging. I love watching this guy perform the patterns. They're just brilliantly executed with such power, balance and fluency.

  • @WarriorOfShadows99 IMHO, Choong Gan is a bit harder than this one. Maybe that's just me, though. Of the 7 hyungs I know, Toi Gye is my fave..

    And I agree. This guy really is superb.

  • yeh hes ok i suppose,

  • the best

  • What is the meaning of this pattern?

    and when and where is the birth of this pattern? please i need know.

  • Toi-Gye is the penname of the noted scholar Yi Hwang (16 Century A.D.) an authority on neo-confucianism. The 37 movements of the pattern refer to his birthplace on the 37 degree latitude, the diagram represents the scholar.

  • o ye, the blue belt in grading did this pattern alone, she passed tho :)

  • i love how he's so in controll of his movements its amazing to see

  • i passed my test on sunday,my teacher has already taught us but i cant remember due to a stupid guy that keep asking what the teacher has already said.>_<

    like:teacher says"know you kick,then....."and he asks"Um..so we kick,right?"

  • I just tested on saturday to recieve my red stripe and i passed now i get to learn this pattern

  • 1:07 - 1:13 is my favourite :)

    Det er min favoritt.

  • This is well defined example of good technique and sin wave. I am studying this Tul right know and Suska gives a good example of how the pattern is peformed. Great video recomend this mans videos for any ITF or martial artist.

  • my pattern :D

  • 0:31 what is at least one application for that technique where the arms are in right angles?

  • @kickerwithkick2 You mean proper technique? W-shape block (san makgi) can be used to block lots of things. It could block a walking stance punch or even a flying back piercing kick. Performed as it is in the pattern (with stamping motion), the primary block is the outer forearm of the arm on the same side as the leg you step with (i.e. the first block is on the right side). To block with both sides at once, the movement is performed sliding.

  • @AerisKisaragi I used to study karate and I did study some taekwondo... something I learned from karate is that every technique can be used a thousand different ways. For instance, the down block in karate is nearly identical to the down block in TKD and in addition to blocking kicks the same motion can be used for a throw. I was wondering if the W-block has any other applications besides the simple block.

  • @kickerwithkick2 I guess all techniques are entirely open to interpretation. All I can say is that according to the Taekwon-Do Encyclopaedia, General Choi Hong Hi designed this technique to block an attack to the philtrum or above and also to strengthen leg muscles through the stamping motion. If you want to interpret this technique as a precursor to a throw or something that is entirely up to you, but the General designed it as a block.

  • you have a great performance, and the rest of the videos are amaizing too.

    your movements are much better than another ones in youtube

  • he did it rong ... i was taught that on move 6 (0:17) you are ment to bring your other arm up before doing the next move in order to provide more power to the block

  • @OurChequeredLives In that case you may have been taught wrong. Whilst it may generate more power it also makes the technique slower as the as you have the time it takes to move the hand away from the target before executing the move.

  • @asterix187 ok ... cheersa

  • Aww Damn. I'm really bad on the 0:29 part. I Always turn the wrong way.

  • @supermarioliam its ok.i always get so tired from stamping around that not only do i turn the wrong way,i almost always fall.(and bcuz the boys look down on girls too much already,i say the fat guy next to me push me on accident.)

  • Este vídeo es muy didácticos, como humilde apreciación , sería muy útil ver el desarrollo en a través de un angulo inverso cuando esta de espaldas, para que el que tiene dudas pueda corregir posturas. Gracias y muy bueno......Bernardo de Argentina

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  • Be careful, two things I have noted is that 0:27 this is a twin elbow thrust and 0:54 you should always look in the direction you are moving (there are some exceptions with blocks but never strikes), its not so obvious from this video.

  • good

  • i love these videos they've help me a lot!

  • Jest świetny. ;-) Dziękuję za te wideo.

  • Please understand that there is a difference between pattern, and selfdefence:)

    This is a pattern, and the speed is perfect. (ITF Taekwon-Do) Genreal Choi Hong Hi, the creator of Taekwon-Do.

  • Exactly - And thanks for posting these videos too - It's helping me heaps

  • @trulshotvedt My Instructor is the student of the student of General Choi Hong hi., which technically makes me third generation. =)

  • @trulshotvedt I'm the third generation of students down from the general. =0 My instructor was the student of his student, if you follow.

  • Its not supposed to be a real life strategy. The way I see it, patterns help a person become more aware of how their bodies can move and there are some things that don't seem practical but actually are. Those "space invader" blocks don't look useful, but doing them helps you learn more about hip twist and putting power into something an awkward movement. You wouldn't use the actual move in a fight but you could us the concept of the technique. It might be hard to understand if you don't try

  • @youtunezzz2 You don't understand, do you?

  • @youtunezzz2 it's to show that he can demonstrate the moves properly, its harder to do them slowly than sloppy and quickly. patterns are traditional and have meanings and are in fact realted to self defense but they arn't used for that purpose anymore, just coordination and technique skills now.

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  • thats right

  • @youtunezzz2 its a tul you its only how to do the movements it doesnt work to fight

  • Patterns are exercises, as any other! Their intention is to train muscle and brain memory control. The over-exaggeration becomes naturally useful when it needs to be practical, i.e. sparring or self defense. Try to produce a kick at full speed, then 1\10 speed and you will understand that it is more difficult and muscle demanding to perform techniques slow and controlled! Therefore patterns to sparring or fighting is like push-ups to stronger punches!

  • @whippitt7399 Well said, friend. Also many people don't realize, these demos are for mainly done for instructional purposes. It's done slowly so the student(s) can learn the movements correctly. This man is 5th degree, meaning he is qualified to train students up to at least 1st degree. His main role is to teach others, not to show off his own abilities.

  • @youtunezzz2 doing slow is because the master should see how you do and rate your position, your power and ... thats why!

  • @youtunezzz2 get a fukn grip jackass wtf .....a pattern is for grading purposes and compitition purposes ur not really gonna do all that really fast are u then the judges wouldny see you ...unfortunite for you your a fat piece of shit so the judges couldnt miss you bcoz they'de probobaly get lost in your fucking fatfolds ....you dumb-ass bitch with lots of kix to your face tails

  • @youtunezzz2 get a fukn grip jackass wtf .....a pattern is for grading purposes and compitition purposes ur not really gonna do all that really fast are u then the judges wouldny see you ...unfortunite for you your a fat piece of shit so the judges couldnt miss you bcoz they'de probobaly get lost in your fucking fatfolds ....you dumb-ass bitch with lots of kix to your face

    tails

  • @youtunezzz2 If you saw 1 step from this guy, you would see how fast he can be,he is very good!

  • W shaped block is an extremely effective block although not practical, it is very strong like the high section double outer forearm block, yes we know it may look silly too someone who does not appreciate the martial art, but Suska executes a faultless performance.

  • @Trukstarz What would you use W shaped block against?

  • we are taught that it is meant for blocking a weapon strike, so when used in practical situation the hands would be closer and further forward than the the pattern version, although of course every move has more than one application.

  • pyscho moment from 0:28 to 0:40 :)=

  • I r teh robot

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  • he said tei-ge.

  • @koreamixguy08 your right

  • Me gustan mucho vuestros videos de los diferentes Tules, son muy didacticos.

    FELICITACIONES Y MUCHAS GRACIAS.

    Bernardo.

  • we also use breathing techniques (very similar to his) in our patterns. I was told that it encourages power and scares your opponent

  • It also tenses ur core so that you are not prone harm/injury to someone else's attack.

  • it's good you can learn good from this clip

  • right - I'm sure Jarosław Suska from Poland i one of the bestest TKD teacher in the Word

  • goed

    en duidelijk te leren

  • ew, no, i don't like his form much. =\

  • Was he flying :O

  • Im sure he is doing the circular blocks wrong, I didn't think you were to cross the arms over...

  • Ur correct, u r supposed to do that on curcular blocks.

  • @UndeadOnWifi Those are "Fancy" circular blocks...

  • He has a stupid hissing noise.... completely unnecessary, not part of the pattern, and irritating. We always get told not to do that >.> But at least I remembered what I'd forgotten

  • ummmm nooooo in ITF we use breathing to enforce power and than it doesnt look dumb you can tell your doing better in a pattern cause breathing is a way of increasing powe..

  • @nometetdotcodotuk It's a rattle in the background or the wind.

  • poland

  • he's brilliant, love his form and realism and power, beautiful, i use hip twist, not sine wave but is still nice to watch.

  • Its funny how his technique is heaps different from ours. How we dont bob while we do change actions, and how we get a lot more hip rotation and power in our punches- this guy like punches out from his body n not from his hip, and his front snap kicks are just a flick, no push behind them. Same moves, but different styles, its interesting =P

  • yes indeed

  • the bob is wave motion which creates more power but i agree with the punches and kicks no power but he does have good snap

  • thats the way general choi intended the patterns to be. in the chang-hon style

  • Yeah, ITF is totally different to what i learnt aswell. I did GTI, Global Taekwondo International i think it stood for.

    I stopped going at black dan, looking at all of these patterns makes me wanna start going again!

  • Wait a minute. I thought there was just ITF and WTF. When did GTI start?

  • what the bobing is it's called sine wave one movement in one consecutive motion it helps with power

  • this guy is the best I ever seen in patterns

  • You must check out Grand Master Hee Il Cho's forms demo! Absolute precision and power!

  • i have this pattern tommorow and all thanks to you i garentee i won't fail. Oh and thanks alot i was having trouble with this pattern. =)

  • My instructor taught me part of that form since I had become an instructor. We don't have it in our belt systems but he told me it is good to know.

  • I think the W block are really cool :D, one of my favorite taekwondo techniques

  • my favorite is the spining side turning kick

  • my fav is runnin flyin side peicing kick like in choong moo

  • jumping side kick rather

  • i hate this pattern i have to do it for testing tommrow i have it sown but i always mess up in the middle ps nice stances we do it a little diffrent though

  • Flawless man, I want to improve myself after seeing your videos.

    Noel, 3 Dan. India

  • my trainer says that the w block should be in belt lvl and he is 7 dan and it´s owns, but suska only do it in knee lvl but the power in the pathern is verry good and nice kicks=) you got verry good balanze but i have a Question? how mutch do you spend time on taekwon-do in a veek???( spelling )

    Tae kwon-do

    robin christiansson, 1 gup. sweden

  • his W blocks arnt in the shape of a W

  • (this is what i was taugh) - it doesn't have to be literally in the shape of a W. So long as the elbows make a 90 degree angle or more, so long as it looks like a W - ish. However that is what i was taught. It is taught differently in other schools.

  • flawless

  • We do Toi gye the same way accept we do it a lot slower and our circular blocks look different than yours. I learned it a couple of weeks ago and I love the way your W blocks looked...keep up the good work...

  • Auuugh

    This is my current pattern and I SUCK at Wshaped blocks XD

    Although I just learned it two days ago.

    But still, Auuugh

  • if you do not know this althou